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1. 04:44 AM - Re Oil - Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 (Peter Thomson)
2. 05:29 AM - Re: Re: Oil (Hugh McKay)
3. 05:42 AM - Re: Fuel smell on take off (Kevin Klinefelter)
4. 06:36 AM - Re: Re Oil - Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 (ronlee)
5. 06:38 AM - Re: Oil (Roger Lee)
6. 06:56 AM - Re: Re Oil - Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 (Roger Lee)
7. 06:13 PM - Re: Re Oil - Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 (Roger Lee)
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| Subject: | Re Oil - Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 |
I am with Ross on this (after initial scepticism with the oil).
My oil analyses on second oil change of Plus 4 best ever in 700 hrs.
Peter
CH701/912ULS
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Ross,
Am I reading your email correctly? If you are now consuming 1.0 oz of oil
per hour in your 912UL (490 hours TT); if my calculations are correct that
would be just
about 1.42 liters of oil consumption in 50 hours!!!! (normal oil change time
for a 912). That to me is excessive oil consumption.
I have a 912 UL on my Allegro 2000 with just about the same amount of hours
(480 hrs). I use Mobile1 4T Racing oil (from the beginning) and have never
had to add any oil between oil changes (50) hours. Either my math is wrong,
or your number is wrong. A 912 should not consume oil at that rate at 490
hours.
Hugh G. McKay III, P.E.
Senior Consultant
Worldwide Engineering Inc.
4090 North NC Hwy. 16
Denver, NC 28037
Ph. 704-661-8271
Fax 704-483-5466
email hgmckay@bellsouth.net
http://www.wwegeo.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Lee
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:50 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil
For the guys that come to me I will not recommend Aero Shell any longer
until it is reformulated. For the guys that need a semi synthetic I will
recommend Golden Spectro 4 motorcycle oil (10-40W or 20-50W) It has been
around for a long time, rated high and has been tested in high rpm, high
performance motorcycles for many years.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center - Heavy Maint. Rated
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520-349-7056
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel smell on take off |
Paul,
Did you find anything wrong with your carb?
Kevin
On 8/1/11, Paul McAllister <l_luv2_fly@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have a Europa with a Rotax 914. I had the engine in at LEAF last year to
> have them work on an oil leak due to crank case fretting. While the engine
> was there I had them overhaul the carbs.
>
> Ever since that time I have had a fuel smell which is a common issue with
> Europa's. For quite a long time I assumed that it was new fuel hoses that I
> installed and I was slowly going through the process of eliminating each
> source with no success. Finally I resorted to putting in UV fuel dye and I
> discovered that the starboard carb was covered with dye.
>
> Pulling the carbs of a 914 is a bit of a pain and before I do so I'd like
> some suggestions of what would cause a fuel leak at full power.
>
> Thanks in advance, Paul
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re Oil - Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 |
What had you been using before?
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Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
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Hi Hugh,
Dashwood said in an earlier post that the engine sat crated for a few years. Then
he has unexpected maint and early gearbox repair and gear wear at 400 hrs..
His engine is using oil. Rotax says if an engine sits more than 2 years to replace
all "O" rings through out the engine and who knows how it was started and
taken care of the first couple years of its life. I think Dashwood has some
mechanical issues that started right up front and if he is still using oil they
are continuing issues.
Sorry Dashwood, but there is a root cause and problem here.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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Rotax Repair Center - Heavy Maint. Rated
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
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| Subject: | Re: Re Oil - Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 |
Poor ZDDP level issues won't show up until later in the game with excessive metal
wear. Most of you don't have a 1000 hrs on your engine or haven't used Aero
Shell for at least 500+ hrs and disassembled your gearbox for an inspection.
So how would you know? The 800ppm is the same as car oil. So why aren't you using
car oil? The answer is because you thought Aero Shell had the correct levels
of additives. You can use car oil in your Rotax too and won't know about the
extra wear until later in the game or when the gearbox is stripped down for
its 1000 hr. inspection. Then it's too late. Some of you have that symptom with
a squeaky gearbox. That is just one sign that you are metal to metal and unprotected.
I got my info from the top sources in the industry. I would find it
hard to believe they don't know what they are talking about when they have the
exact numbers and leaders in their field. You are right that I have not tested
this oil, but the down side is too expensive for too many of my clients. I
put this info up so everyone can make an informed choice and by no means am I
telling any one what oil to use, but it is buyer beware. For me and my clients
I think playing it safe until the reformulation comes out next year is a safer
plan. Gearbox and engine parts are too expensive to take this chance. I look
at it this way, If I'm wrong I have not cost myself or my clients anything other
than a change in oil brands with a known proven and tested oil, but if I'm
right I just saved all of them a pile of money. Aero Shell hasn't been out long
enough for actual field results and they are already talking reformulation?
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center - Heavy Maint. Rated
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520-349-7056
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| Subject: | Re: Re Oil - Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 |
Hi Ron,
It's been a while. How have you been? In the air much? Come on over to Ryan and
I'll buy you breakfast. You should come to The Page, AZ Fly-In this year too.
We have some others that fly your cruise speed. We may have sold out on reservation,
maybe 1-2 rooms left. Give me a call.
One issue with Aero Shell with me is, when a company with as little time on the
market as Aero Shell Sport Plus 4 has and then they say they are going to completely
reformulate (new base stock and double the ZDDP), well that has my full
attention as to why they think they need to completely
re-formulate their own product.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center - Heavy Maint. Rated
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520-349-7056
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