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1. 07:52 AM - Amendment to Air Cooled post (Richard Girard)
2. 09:23 AM - Re: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled habit (Dave)
3. 10:53 AM - Re: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled habit (Richard Girard)
4. 02:15 PM - Re: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled habit (Dave)
5. 03:32 PM - Re: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled habit (Dave)
6. 04:37 PM - Re: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled habit (Richard Girard)
7. 04:39 PM - Re: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled habit (Richard Girard)
8. 06:34 PM - Re: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled habit (Dave)
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| Subject: | Amendment to Air Cooled post |
When I went back and re-read last night's post about changing over from
Pennzoil Air Cooled oil, I realized I had misplaced the instruction to
drain the float bowl(s). This should be done before starting the engine
with gas in the oil tank otherwise you'll be running your engine for a few
seconds with no lubrication. My bad, sorry.
Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled habit |
Hi Rick, at the risk of starting another oil thread that will have the 912
guys rolling their eye and moaning "not again!" I wonder if the TCW-3 is the
right package. The current Rotax manual specifies API-TC for all Rotax
2cycle engines air and water cooled. I have used Bombardiers own oil
available here in 4 litre jugs and very occasionally other API-TC oils,
usually Castrol super two stroke which is sometimes labelled snowmobile oil.
I recall though that the manuals and the information available from sources
like CPS specifically say to NOT use the oil for marine applications
labelled TCW-3. Now it possible that this is outdated info as things change
and possibly they are labelled for both now, but as I understand things it
is the API-TC that you just removed that you actually want to use. Might be
worth checking out when you have a chance.
_____
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Girard
Sent: January-07-12 10:13 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled habit
Shell, which owns the Pennzoil brand, has discontinued making Pennzoil Air
Cooled two cycle oil and, according to Shell engineers, the API-TC additive
package in Air Cooled is incompatible with the TCW-3 additive package found
in most of the two cycle oils on the store shelves these days. The
incompatibility is such that one causes the other to congeal. If you premix
don't sweat it, the dilution of the oil in the gasoline takes care of the
difference, but if your Rotax engine has an oil injection pump you have to
make a clean change over.
Here's a simple way to do it. Empty the oil tank, remove it from its mount
with the lines up to the pump and clean it and the line with some clean gas,
Use the gas you cleaned with and mix a gallon or two of premix. Put the
premix in your fuel tank. Remount and reconnect the oil tank and lines, fill
it half way with clean gas. Start the engine and warm it up to operating
temps, shut down. Drain the gas from the oil tank and fill with your new
favorite oil (I went with Pennzoil Marine Full Synthetic, because I can
almost always get it at the local Wally's in gallons). Drain the float
bowl(s) of your carb(s). Start the engine and bring to operating temps again
(I'm extra cautious about the tiny amount of gas left in the pump and want
to make sure the engine always has oil). Fill your fuel tank with fresh gas
and go fly. The whole process takes about thirty minutes start to finish.
Rick Girard
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled habit |
Lockwood tested both, and two others;
http://www.ultralightnews.com/features/oiltest.htm
and found little difference between Marine and Air Cooled after 280 hours
of running, but they did give the nod to Air Cooled as the preferred oil. I
premix and have been using petro based Marine oil for six years and I don't
see any major carbon build up or other problems when I pull the exhaust "Y"
for annuals. If you can get API-TC rated oils, go for it. I can't, at least
not at prices I'm willing to pay, so I made the switch.
Rick Girard
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Dave <occom@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> **
> Hi Rick, at the risk of starting another oil thread that will have the 912
> guys rolling their eye and moaning "not again!" I wonder if the TCW-3 is
> the right package. The current Rotax manual specifies API-TC for all Rotax
> 2cycle engines air and water cooled. I have used Bombardiers own oil
> available here in 4 litre jugs and very occasionally other API-TC oils,
> usually Castrol super two stroke which is sometimes labelled snowmobile
> oil. I recall though that the manuals and the information available from
> sources like CPS specifically say to NOT use the oil for marine
> applications labelled TCW-3. Now it possible that this is outdated info as
> things change and possibly they are labelled for both now, but as I
> understand things it is the API-TC that you just removed that you actually
> want to use. Might be worth checking out when you have a chance.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard
> Girard
> *Sent:* January-07-12 10:13 PM
> *To:* rotaxengines-list@matronics.com; kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RotaxEngines-List: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled habit
>
> Shell, which owns the Pennzoil brand, has discontinued making Pennzoil Air
> Cooled two cycle oil and, according to Shell engineers, the API-TC additive
> package in Air Cooled is incompatible with the TCW-3 additive package found
> in most of the two cycle oils on the store shelves these days. The
> incompatibility is such that one causes the other to congeal. If you premix
> don't sweat it, the dilution of the oil in the gasoline takes care of the
> difference, but if your Rotax engine has an oil injection pump you have to
> make a clean change over.
> Here's a simple way to do it. Empty the oil tank, remove it from its mount
> with the lines up to the pump and clean it and the line with some clean
> gas, Use the gas you cleaned with and mix a gallon or two of premix. Put
> the premix in your fuel tank. Remount and reconnect the oil tank and lines,
> fill it half way with clean gas. Start the engine and warm it up to
> operating temps, shut down. Drain the gas from the oil tank and fill with
> your new favorite oil (I went with Pennzoil Marine Full Synthetic, because
> I can almost always get it at the local Wally's in gallons). Drain the
> float bowl(s) of your carb(s). Start the engine and bring to operating
> temps again (I'm extra cautious about the tiny amount of gas left in the
> pump and want to make sure the engine always has oil). Fill your fuel tank
> with fresh gas and go fly. The whole process takes about thirty minutes
> start to finish.
>
> Rick Girard
>
> --
> Zulu Delta
> Mk IIIC
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
> - Groucho Marx
>
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| Subject: | Re: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled habit |
Rotax spec calls fpr API- TC
Bombarier sells XPS oil
Castrol sells super 2 stroke - avail in Canada at Walmart.
both are API Tc rated.
>> http://www.cfisher.com/oildebate.html
use a oil thats carries that spec.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 12:16 PM
Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled
habit
Hi Rick, at the risk of starting another oil thread that will have the
912 guys rolling their eye and moaning "not again!" I wonder if the
TCW-3 is the right package. The current Rotax manual specifies API-TC
for all Rotax 2cycle engines air and water cooled. I have used
Bombardiers own oil available here in 4 litre jugs and very occasionally
other API-TC oils, usually Castrol super two stroke which is sometimes
labelled snowmobile oil. I recall though that the manuals and the
information available from sources like CPS specifically say to NOT use
the oil for marine applications labelled TCW-3. Now it possible that
this is outdated info as things change and possibly they are labelled
for both now, but as I understand things it is the API-TC that you just
removed that you actually want to use. Might be worth checking out when
you have a chance.
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From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Girard
Sent: January-07-12 10:13 PM
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com; kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled
habit
Shell, which owns the Pennzoil brand, has discontinued making
Pennzoil Air Cooled two cycle oil and, according to Shell engineers, the
API-TC additive package in Air Cooled is incompatible with the TCW-3
additive package found in most of the two cycle oils on the store
shelves these days. The incompatibility is such that one causes the
other to congeal. If you premix don't sweat it, the dilution of the oil
in the gasoline takes care of the difference, but if your Rotax engine
has an oil injection pump you have to make a clean change over.
Here's a simple way to do it. Empty the oil tank, remove it from its
mount with the lines up to the pump and clean it and the line with some
clean gas, Use the gas you cleaned with and mix a gallon or two of
premix. Put the premix in your fuel tank. Remount and reconnect the oil
tank and lines, fill it half way with clean gas. Start the engine and
warm it up to operating temps, shut down. Drain the gas from the oil
tank and fill with your new favorite oil (I went with Pennzoil Marine
Full Synthetic, because I can almost always get it at the local Wally's
in gallons). Drain the float bowl(s) of your carb(s). Start the engine
and bring to operating temps again (I'm extra cautious about the tiny
amount of gas left in the pump and want to make sure the engine always
has oil). Fill your fuel tank with fresh gas and go fly. The whole
process takes about thirty minutes start to finish.
Rick Girard
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be
unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled habit |
Rick we pay about 4 $ a quart in Canada at Walmart. for API - TC rated
oil
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled
habit
Lockwood tested both, and two others;
http://www.ultralightnews.com/features/oiltest.htm
and found little difference between Marine and Air Cooled after 280
hours of running, but they did give the nod to Air Cooled as the
preferred oil. I premix and have been using petro based Marine oil for
six years and I don't see any major carbon build up or other problems
when I pull the exhaust "Y" for annuals. If you can get API-TC rated
oils, go for it. I can't, at least not at prices I'm willing to pay, so
I made the switch.
Rick Girard
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Dave <occom@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
Hi Rick, at the risk of starting another oil thread that will have
the 912 guys rolling their eye and moaning "not again!" I wonder if the
TCW-3 is the right package. The current Rotax manual specifies API-TC
for all Rotax 2cycle engines air and water cooled. I have used
Bombardiers own oil available here in 4 litre jugs and very occasionally
other API-TC oils, usually Castrol super two stroke which is sometimes
labelled snowmobile oil. I recall though that the manuals and the
information available from sources like CPS specifically say to NOT use
the oil for marine applications labelled TCW-3. Now it possible that
this is outdated info as things change and possibly they are labelled
for both now, but as I understand things it is the API-TC that you just
removed that you actually want to use. Might be worth checking out when
you have a chance.
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From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Girard
Sent: January-07-12 10:13 PM
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com; kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled
habit
Shell, which owns the Pennzoil brand, has discontinued making
Pennzoil Air Cooled two cycle oil and, according to Shell engineers, the
API-TC additive package in Air Cooled is incompatible with the TCW-3
additive package found in most of the two cycle oils on the store
shelves these days. The incompatibility is such that one causes the
other to congeal. If you premix don't sweat it, the dilution of the oil
in the gasoline takes care of the difference, but if your Rotax engine
has an oil injection pump you have to make a clean change over.
Here's a simple way to do it. Empty the oil tank, remove it from
its mount with the lines up to the pump and clean it and the line with
some clean gas, Use the gas you cleaned with and mix a gallon or two of
premix. Put the premix in your fuel tank. Remount and reconnect the oil
tank and lines, fill it half way with clean gas. Start the engine and
warm it up to operating temps, shut down. Drain the gas from the oil
tank and fill with your new favorite oil (I went with Pennzoil Marine
Full Synthetic, because I can almost always get it at the local Wally's
in gallons). Drain the float bowl(s) of your carb(s). Start the engine
and bring to operating temps again (I'm extra cautious about the tiny
amount of gas left in the pump and want to make sure the engine always
has oil). Fill your fuel tank with fresh gas and go fly. The whole
process takes about thirty minutes start to finish.
Rick Girard
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be
unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled habit |
Dave, Can't get it here. I pay $16 a gallon for petro TCW-3 or $6 for
Synthetic TCW-3. AeroShell Sport Plus 2 with Rotax's name all over it is
$65 a gallon by the time I pay shipping. If I buy it by the case I can get
that "down" to $42.50.
After 350 hours the piston crowns are lightly sooted and the rings are
free. I never take off before the water temp reaches 140 degrees and run my
582 at 6150 flat out for climb and 5800 for cruise.
As they say, works great, lasts a long time.
Rick
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
> **
> Rick we pay about 4 $ a quart in Canada at Walmart. for API - TC rated
> oil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
> *To:* rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 08, 2012 1:48 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RotaxEngines-List: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled
> habit
>
> Lockwood tested both, and two others;
>
> http://www.ultralightnews.com/features/oiltest.htm
>
> and found little difference between Marine and Air Cooled after 280 hours
> of running, but they did give the nod to Air Cooled as the preferred oil. I
> premix and have been using petro based Marine oil for six years and I don't
> see any major carbon build up or other problems when I pull the exhaust "Y"
> for annuals. If you can get API-TC rated oils, go for it. I can't, at least
> not at prices I'm willing to pay, so I made the switch.
>
>
> Rick Girard
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Dave <occom@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> **
>> Hi Rick, at the risk of starting another oil thread that will have the
>> 912 guys rolling their eye and moaning "not again!" I wonder if the TCW-3
>> is the right package. The current Rotax manual specifies API-TC for all
>> Rotax 2cycle engines air and water cooled. I have used Bombardiers own oil
>> available here in 4 litre jugs and very occasionally other API-TC oils,
>> usually Castrol super two stroke which is sometimes labelled snowmobile
>> oil. I recall though that the manuals and the information available from
>> sources like CPS specifically say to NOT use the oil for marine
>> applications labelled TCW-3. Now it possible that this is outdated info as
>> things change and possibly they are labelled for both now, but as I
>> understand things it is the API-TC that you just removed that you actually
>> want to use. Might be worth checking out when you have a chance.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard
>> Girard
>> *Sent:* January-07-12 10:13 PM
>> *To:* rotaxengines-list@matronics.com; kolb-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* RotaxEngines-List: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled habit
>>
>> Shell, which owns the Pennzoil brand, has discontinued making Pennzoil
>> Air Cooled two cycle oil and, according to Shell engineers, the API-TC
>> additive package in Air Cooled is incompatible with the TCW-3 additive
>> package found in most of the two cycle oils on the store shelves these
>> days. The incompatibility is such that one causes the other to congeal. If
>> you premix don't sweat it, the dilution of the oil in the gasoline takes
>> care of the difference, but if your Rotax engine has an oil injection pump
>> you have to make a clean change over.
>> Here's a simple way to do it. Empty the oil tank, remove it from its
>> mount with the lines up to the pump and clean it and the line with some
>> clean gas, Use the gas you cleaned with and mix a gallon or two of premix.
>> Put the premix in your fuel tank. Remount and reconnect the oil tank and
>> lines, fill it half way with clean gas. Start the engine and warm it up to
>> operating temps, shut down. Drain the gas from the oil tank and fill with
>> your new favorite oil (I went with Pennzoil Marine Full Synthetic, because
>> I can almost always get it at the local Wally's in gallons). Drain the
>> float bowl(s) of your carb(s). Start the engine and bring to operating
>> temps again (I'm extra cautious about the tiny amount of gas left in the
>> pump and want to make sure the engine always has oil). Fill your fuel tank
>> with fresh gas and go fly. The whole process takes about thirty minutes
>> start to finish.
>>
>> Rick Girard
>>
>> --
>> Zulu Delta
>> Mk IIIC
>> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>>
>> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be
>> unhappy.
>> - Groucho Marx
>>
>>
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> Mk IIIC
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
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| Subject: | Re: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled habit |
Oops. S/B $6 a qt for Synthetic (by the gallon).
Rick
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dave, Can't get it here. I pay $16 a gallon for petro TCW-3 or $6 for
> Synthetic TCW-3. AeroShell Sport Plus 2 with Rotax's name all over it is
> $65 a gallon by the time I pay shipping. If I buy it by the case I can get
> that "down" to $42.50.
> After 350 hours the piston crowns are lightly sooted and the rings are
> free. I never take off before the water temp reaches 140 degrees and run my
> 582 at 6150 flat out for climb and 5800 for cruise.
> As they say, works great, lasts a long time.
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>> Rick we pay about 4 $ a quart in Canada at Walmart. for API - TC rated
>> oil
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
>> *To:* rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 08, 2012 1:48 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: RotaxEngines-List: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled
>> habit
>>
>> Lockwood tested both, and two others;
>>
>> http://www.ultralightnews.com/features/oiltest.htm
>>
>> and found little difference between Marine and Air Cooled after 280 hours
>> of running, but they did give the nod to Air Cooled as the preferred oil. I
>> premix and have been using petro based Marine oil for six years and I don't
>> see any major carbon build up or other problems when I pull the exhaust "Y"
>> for annuals. If you can get API-TC rated oils, go for it. I can't, at least
>> not at prices I'm willing to pay, so I made the switch.
>>
>>
>> Rick Girard
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Dave <occom@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>> Hi Rick, at the risk of starting another oil thread that will have the
>>> 912 guys rolling their eye and moaning "not again!" I wonder if the TCW-3
>>> is the right package. The current Rotax manual specifies API-TC for all
>>> Rotax 2cycle engines air and water cooled. I have used Bombardiers own oil
>>> available here in 4 litre jugs and very occasionally other API-TC oils,
>>> usually Castrol super two stroke which is sometimes labelled snowmobile
>>> oil. I recall though that the manuals and the information available from
>>> sources like CPS specifically say to NOT use the oil for marine
>>> applications labelled TCW-3. Now it possible that this is outdated info as
>>> things change and possibly they are labelled for both now, but as I
>>> understand things it is the API-TC that you just removed that you actually
>>> want to use. Might be worth checking out when you have a chance.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
>>> owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard
>>> Girard
>>> *Sent:* January-07-12 10:13 PM
>>> *To:* rotaxengines-list@matronics.com; kolb-list@matronics.com
>>> *Subject:* RotaxEngines-List: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled habit
>>>
>>> Shell, which owns the Pennzoil brand, has discontinued making Pennzoil
>>> Air Cooled two cycle oil and, according to Shell engineers, the API-TC
>>> additive package in Air Cooled is incompatible with the TCW-3 additive
>>> package found in most of the two cycle oils on the store shelves these
>>> days. The incompatibility is such that one causes the other to congeal. If
>>> you premix don't sweat it, the dilution of the oil in the gasoline takes
>>> care of the difference, but if your Rotax engine has an oil injection pump
>>> you have to make a clean change over.
>>> Here's a simple way to do it. Empty the oil tank, remove it from its
>>> mount with the lines up to the pump and clean it and the line with some
>>> clean gas, Use the gas you cleaned with and mix a gallon or two of premix.
>>> Put the premix in your fuel tank. Remount and reconnect the oil tank and
>>> lines, fill it half way with clean gas. Start the engine and warm it up to
>>> operating temps, shut down. Drain the gas from the oil tank and fill with
>>> your new favorite oil (I went with Pennzoil Marine Full Synthetic, because
>>> I can almost always get it at the local Wally's in gallons). Drain the
>>> float bowl(s) of your carb(s). Start the engine and bring to operating
>>> temps again (I'm extra cautious about the tiny amount of gas left in the
>>> pump and want to make sure the engine always has oil). Fill your fuel tank
>>> with fresh gas and go fly. The whole process takes about thirty minutes
>>> start to finish.
>>>
>>> Rick Girard
>>>
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>>> Zulu Delta
>>> Mk IIIC
>>> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>>>
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Thanks, Homer GBYM
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| Subject: | Re: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled habit |
Rick do you have a sea doo or Ski dealer near you ?
XPS in bulk is the way to go.
I use mineral but you can get synthetic as well
With injection you use alot less oil and burn cleaner
Dave
http://www.youtube.com/user/kitfoxflyer
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Getting off the Pennzoil Air Cooled
habit
Dave, Can't get it here. I pay $16 a gallon for petro TCW-3 or $6 for
Synthetic TCW-3. AeroShell Sport Plus 2 with Rotax's name all over it is
$65 a gallon by the time I pay shipping. If I buy it by the case I can
get that "down" to $42.50.
After 350 hours the piston crowns are lightly sooted and the rings are
free. I never take off before the water temp reaches 140 degrees and run
my 582 at 6150 flat out for climb and 5800 for cruise.
As they say, works great, lasts a long time.
Rick
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
Rick we pay about 4 $ a quart in Canada at Walmart. for API - TC
rated oil
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Getting off the Pennzoil Air
Cooled habit
Lockwood tested both, and two others;
http://www.ultralightnews.com/features/oiltest.htm
and found little difference between Marine and Air Cooled after
280 hours of running, but they did give the nod to Air Cooled as the
preferred oil. I premix and have been using petro based Marine oil for
six years and I don't see any major carbon build up or other problems
when I pull the exhaust "Y" for annuals. If you can get API-TC rated
oils, go for it. I can't, at least not at prices I'm willing to pay, so
I made the switch.
Rick Girard
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Dave <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
wrote:
Hi Rick, at the risk of starting another oil thread that will
have the 912 guys rolling their eye and moaning "not again!" I wonder if
the TCW-3 is the right package. The current Rotax manual specifies
API-TC for all Rotax 2cycle engines air and water cooled. I have used
Bombardiers own oil available here in 4 litre jugs and very occasionally
other API-TC oils, usually Castrol super two stroke which is sometimes
labelled snowmobile oil. I recall though that the manuals and the
information available from sources like CPS specifically say to NOT use
the oil for marine applications labelled TCW-3. Now it possible that
this is outdated info as things change and possibly they are labelled
for both now, but as I understand things it is the API-TC that you just
removed that you actually want to use. Might be worth checking out when
you have a chance.
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From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Girard
Sent: January-07-12 10:13 PM
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com; kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Getting off the Pennzoil Air
Cooled habit
Shell, which owns the Pennzoil brand, has discontinued making
Pennzoil Air Cooled two cycle oil and, according to Shell engineers, the
API-TC additive package in Air Cooled is incompatible with the TCW-3
additive package found in most of the two cycle oils on the store
shelves these days. The incompatibility is such that one causes the
other to congeal. If you premix don't sweat it, the dilution of the oil
in the gasoline takes care of the difference, but if your Rotax engine
has an oil injection pump you have to make a clean change over.
Here's a simple way to do it. Empty the oil tank, remove it
from its mount with the lines up to the pump and clean it and the line
with some clean gas, Use the gas you cleaned with and mix a gallon or
two of premix. Put the premix in your fuel tank. Remount and reconnect
the oil tank and lines, fill it half way with clean gas. Start the
engine and warm it up to operating temps, shut down. Drain the gas from
the oil tank and fill with your new favorite oil (I went with Pennzoil
Marine Full Synthetic, because I can almost always get it at the local
Wally's in gallons). Drain the float bowl(s) of your carb(s). Start the
engine and bring to operating temps again (I'm extra cautious about the
tiny amount of gas left in the pump and want to make sure the engine
always has oil). Fill your fuel tank with fresh gas and go fly. The
whole process takes about thirty minutes start to finish.
Rick Girard
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Thanks, Homer GBYM
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