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1. 04:02 AM - Using 87 MOGAS (h&jeuropa)
2. 04:45 AM - Re: Using 87 MOGAS (Lockamy, Jack CIV Atlantic Targets Marine Ops, AD.5.3.3 / Key West Det)
3. 05:52 AM - Re: Using 87 MOGAS (klinefelter.kevin@gmail.com)
4. 06:35 AM - Re: Using 87 MOGAS (Roger Lee)
5. 07:01 AM - Re: Re: Using 87 MOGAS (Lockamy, Jack CIV Atlantic Targets Marine Ops, AD.5.3.3 / Key West Det)
6. 08:40 AM - Withdrawal from the group (Float Flyr)
7. 10:49 AM - Re: Using 87 MOGAS (FLYaDIVE)
8. 11:57 AM - Re: Using 87 MOGAS (Joel M.)
9. 12:35 PM - Re: Using 87 MOGAS (klinefelter.kevin@gmail.com)
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We recently did a trip to Colorado and purchased MOGAS when possible. Most of
the MOGAS available at airports was 87 not 91. We are flying a Europa with a
914. Since we usually operate at 70% power and only use 100% for takeoff (have
never used 115% except for ground testing), is it OK to use the lower octane
MOGAS?
Jim & Heather
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| From: | "Lockamy, Jack CIV Atlantic Targets Marine Ops, AD.5.3.3 / Key West Det" |
<jack.lockamy@navy.mil>
Jim,
I'm by no means an expert on fuel, however I would have no reservations about using
87 instead of 91 OCT as long as I had enough OCTANE Boost (plastic bottle)
found at NAPA, Advance and O'Reilly Auto Parts stores....
Jack in Key West
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From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of h&jeuropa
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 7:02
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Using 87 MOGAS
We recently did a trip to Colorado and purchased MOGAS when possible. Most of
the MOGAS available at airports was 87 not 91. We are flying a Europa with a
914. Since we usually operate at 70% power and only use 100% for takeoff (have
never used 115% except for ground testing), is it OK to use the lower octane
MOGAS?
Jim & Heather
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| Subject: | Re: Using 87 MOGAS |
Hi Jim & Heather,
I operate my 914 much the same as you. It is my understanding that running lower
than 91 octane would be risky. You can mix 50/50, 87 Mogas with 100 LL.
I have looked in to octane boosters from auto parts stores, but most of them are
alcohol based and I don't want to increase the alcohol.
I travel with a 5 gallon gas container and use that if I can borrow the "crew car",
and even have taken my long ranger tank in to town for car gas and lunch
on trips.
Kevin
Planning the trip to Oshkosh! How bout you?
On Jun 13, 2012, at 4:02 AM, "h&jeuropa" <butcher43@att.net> wrote:
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> We recently did a trip to Colorado and purchased MOGAS when possible. Most of
the MOGAS available at airports was 87 not 91. We are flying a Europa with
a 914. Since we usually operate at 70% power and only use 100% for takeoff (have
never used 115% except for ground testing), is it OK to use the lower octane
MOGAS?
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| Subject: | Re: Using 87 MOGAS |
Hi Jim,
Absolutely do not use straight 87 oct. You can use up to a 50/50 mix of 87 and
100LL. No less then 50% 100LL. You can use less 87, but not less 100LL. Detonation
can happen before you have any warning and then you just cost yourself a
minimum or $4500+. If you only use the 100LL once in a great while when traveling
then don't worry about it and use the 91 oct all other times at your home
field where most owners spend the majority of the flying time. If you are using
100LL then use a lead scavenger like Decalin. It is 1/2 oz. per 10 gal. You
can pick it up from Aircraft Spruce for about $20
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center - Heavy Maint. Rated
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520-349-7056
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| Subject: | Re: Using 87 MOGAS |
| From: | "Lockamy, Jack CIV Atlantic Targets Marine Ops, AD.5.3.3 / Key West Det" |
<jack.lockamy@navy.mil>
Roger,
What are your thoughts/concerns/comments regarding the use of Octane Booster in
the Rotax engines (2-stroke and 4-strokers)?
Would like to hear your 'professional opinion' ....
Thanks for your time.
Jack in Key West
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From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Lee
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:35
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Using 87 MOGAS
Hi Jim,
Absolutely do not use straight 87 oct. You can use up to a 50/50 mix of 87 and
100LL. No less then 50% 100LL. You can use less 87, but not less 100LL. Detonation
can happen before you have any warning and then you just cost yourself a
minimum or $4500+. If you only use the 100LL once in a great while when traveling
then don't worry about it and use the 91 oct all other times at your home
field where most owners spend the majority of the flying time. If you are using
100LL then use a lead scavenger like Decalin. It is 1/2 oz. per 10 gal. You
can pick it up from Aircraft Spruce for about $20
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center - Heavy Maint. Rated
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520-349-7056
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| Subject: | Withdrawal from the group |
About two weeks ago I had a major fire here. Caused by, so they say, a faulty
extension cord.
For the time of being I am going to withdraw from all my aviation lists within
the next few days.
I hope you all continue to post and fly safely.
Clear skies
Noel
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Noel Loveys
Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 Floats
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| Subject: | Re: Using 87 MOGAS |
Kevin:
You cheep SOB! ;-) [?][?][?] You barrow the airports car and you don't even
buy 5 Gallons of AvGas from them!
I'm laughing here and saying it tong in cheek. Come on, do the math - How
much are you saving? But, wait - If your airport is like some around
here... $8/Gal Shaft them royally - - - GO FOR IT!
Barry
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:51 AM, <klinefelter.kevin@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi Jim & Heather,
> I operate my 914 much the same as you. It is my understanding that running
> lower than 91 octane would be risky. You can mix 50/50, 87 Mogas with 100
> LL.
> I have looked in to octane boosters from auto parts stores, but most of
> them are alcohol based and I don't want to increase the alcohol.
> I travel with a 5 gallon gas container and use that if I can borrow the
> "crew car", and even have taken my long ranger tank in to town for car gas
> and lunch on trips.
> Kevin
> Planning the trip to Oshkosh! How bout you?
>
> On Jun 13, 2012, at 4:02 AM, "h&jeuropa" <butcher43@att.net> wrote:
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> > We recently did a trip to Colorado and purchased MOGAS when possible.
> Most of the MOGAS available at airports was 87 not 91. We are flying a
> Europa with a 914. Since we usually operate at 70% power and only use 100%
> for takeoff (have never used 115% except for ground testing), is it OK to
> use the lower octane MOGAS?
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| Subject: | Re: Using 87 MOGAS |
Its not about the cost its about getting what you want. If airports would p
rovide 91 octane unleaded fuel I would pay whatever price they wanted even
if it was more than the 100LL.- I always make that clear to the FBO when
I take their courtesy car into town to fill up my gas cans.-
Joel
--- On Wed, 6/13/12, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Using 87 MOGAS
Kevin:
You cheep SOB! -;-) --You barrow the airports car and you don't even
buy 5 Gallons of AvGas from them! -=0AI'm laughing here and saying it-t
ong-in cheek. -Come on, do the math - How much are you saving? -But,
wait - If your airport is like some around here... $8/Gal Shaft them royall
y - - - GO FOR IT!
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ng lower than 91 octane would be risky. You can mix 50/50, 87 Mogas with 10
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=0AI have looked in to octane boosters from auto parts stores, but most of
them are alcohol based and I don't want to increase the alcohol.
=0AI travel with a 5 gallon gas container and use that if I can borrow the
"crew car", and even have taken my long ranger tank in to town for car gas
and lunch on trips.
=0AKevin
=0APlanning the trip to Oshkosh! How bout you?
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| Subject: | Re: Using 87 MOGAS |
It's not so much about saving$. It's about not not using leaded fuel.
But your right, I am a cheap SOB!
Always fly with a smile!
Kevin
On Jun 13, 2012, at 10:46 AM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
> Kevin:
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> You cheep SOB! ;-) <360.gif><360.gif><360.gif> You barrow the airports c
ar and you don't even buy 5 Gallons of AvGas from them!
> I'm laughing here and saying it tong in cheek. Come on, do the math - How
much are you saving? But, wait - If your airport is like some around here.
.. $8/Gal Shaft them royally - - - GO FOR IT!
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> Barry
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> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:51 AM, <klinefelter.kevin@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi Jim & Heather,
> I operate my 914 much the same as you. It is my understanding that running
lower than 91 octane would be risky. You can mix 50/50, 87 Mogas with 100 L
L.
> I have looked in to octane boosters from auto parts stores, but most of th
em are alcohol based and I don't want to increase the alcohol.
> I travel with a 5 gallon gas container and use that if I can borrow the "c
rew car", and even have taken my long ranger tank in to town for car gas and
lunch on trips.
> Kevin
> Planning the trip to Oshkosh! How bout you?
>
> On Jun 13, 2012, at 4:02 AM, "h&jeuropa" <butcher43@att.net> wrote:
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ost of the MOGAS available at airports was 87 not 91. We are flying a Europ
a with a 914. Since we usually operate at 70% power and only use 100% for t
akeoff (have never used 115% except for ground testing), is it OK to use the
lower octane MOGAS?
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