---------------------------------------------------------- RotaxEngines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/13/12: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:02 AM - Using 87 MOGAS (h&jeuropa) 2. 04:45 AM - Re: Using 87 MOGAS (Lockamy, Jack CIV Atlantic Targets Marine Ops, AD.5.3.3 / Key West Det) 3. 05:52 AM - Re: Using 87 MOGAS (klinefelter.kevin@gmail.com) 4. 06:35 AM - Re: Using 87 MOGAS (Roger Lee) 5. 07:01 AM - Re: Re: Using 87 MOGAS (Lockamy, Jack CIV Atlantic Targets Marine Ops, AD.5.3.3 / Key West Det) 6. 08:40 AM - Withdrawal from the group (Float Flyr) 7. 10:49 AM - Re: Using 87 MOGAS (FLYaDIVE) 8. 11:57 AM - Re: Using 87 MOGAS (Joel M.) 9. 12:35 PM - Re: Using 87 MOGAS (klinefelter.kevin@gmail.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:44 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Using 87 MOGAS From: "h&jeuropa" We recently did a trip to Colorado and purchased MOGAS when possible. Most of the MOGAS available at airports was 87 not 91. We are flying a Europa with a 914. Since we usually operate at 70% power and only use 100% for takeoff (have never used 115% except for ground testing), is it OK to use the lower octane MOGAS? Jim & Heather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375495#375495 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:25 AM PST US Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Using 87 MOGAS From: "Lockamy, Jack CIV Atlantic Targets Marine Ops, AD.5.3.3 / Key West Det" Jim, I'm by no means an expert on fuel, however I would have no reservations about using 87 instead of 91 OCT as long as I had enough OCTANE Boost (plastic bottle) found at NAPA, Advance and O'Reilly Auto Parts stores.... Jack in Key West -----Original Message----- From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of h&jeuropa Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 7:02 Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Using 87 MOGAS We recently did a trip to Colorado and purchased MOGAS when possible. Most of the MOGAS available at airports was 87 not 91. We are flying a Europa with a 914. Since we usually operate at 70% power and only use 100% for takeoff (have never used 115% except for ground testing), is it OK to use the lower octane MOGAS? Jim & Heather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375495#375495 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:56 AM PST US From: klinefelter.kevin@gmail.com Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Using 87 MOGAS Hi Jim & Heather, I operate my 914 much the same as you. It is my understanding that running lower than 91 octane would be risky. You can mix 50/50, 87 Mogas with 100 LL. I have looked in to octane boosters from auto parts stores, but most of them are alcohol based and I don't want to increase the alcohol. I travel with a 5 gallon gas container and use that if I can borrow the "crew car", and even have taken my long ranger tank in to town for car gas and lunch on trips. Kevin Planning the trip to Oshkosh! How bout you? On Jun 13, 2012, at 4:02 AM, "h&jeuropa" wrote: > > We recently did a trip to Colorado and purchased MOGAS when possible. Most of the MOGAS available at airports was 87 not 91. We are flying a Europa with a 914. Since we usually operate at 70% power and only use 100% for takeoff (have never used 115% except for ground testing), is it OK to use the lower octane MOGAS? > > Jim & Heather > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375495#375495 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:26 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Using 87 MOGAS From: "Roger Lee" Hi Jim, Absolutely do not use straight 87 oct. You can use up to a 50/50 mix of 87 and 100LL. No less then 50% 100LL. You can use less 87, but not less 100LL. Detonation can happen before you have any warning and then you just cost yourself a minimum or $4500+. If you only use the 100LL once in a great while when traveling then don't worry about it and use the 91 oct all other times at your home field where most owners spend the majority of the flying time. If you are using 100LL then use a lead scavenger like Decalin. It is 1/2 oz. per 10 gal. You can pick it up from Aircraft Spruce for about $20 -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Repair Center - Heavy Maint. Rated Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST Cell 520-349-7056 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375518#375518 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:01 AM PST US Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Using 87 MOGAS From: "Lockamy, Jack CIV Atlantic Targets Marine Ops, AD.5.3.3 / Key West Det" Roger, What are your thoughts/concerns/comments regarding the use of Octane Booster in the Rotax engines (2-stroke and 4-strokers)? Would like to hear your 'professional opinion' .... Thanks for your time. Jack in Key West -----Original Message----- From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Lee Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:35 Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Using 87 MOGAS Hi Jim, Absolutely do not use straight 87 oct. You can use up to a 50/50 mix of 87 and 100LL. No less then 50% 100LL. You can use less 87, but not less 100LL. Detonation can happen before you have any warning and then you just cost yourself a minimum or $4500+. If you only use the 100LL once in a great while when traveling then don't worry about it and use the 91 oct all other times at your home field where most owners spend the majority of the flying time. If you are using 100LL then use a lead scavenger like Decalin. It is 1/2 oz. per 10 gal. You can pick it up from Aircraft Spruce for about $20 -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Repair Center - Heavy Maint. Rated Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST Cell 520-349-7056 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375518#375518 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:15 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Withdrawal from the group From: "Float Flyr" About two weeks ago I had a major fire here. Caused by, so they say, a faulty extension cord. For the time of being I am going to withdraw from all my aviation lists within the next few days. I hope you all continue to post and fly safely. Clear skies Noel -------- Noel Loveys Kitfox III-A Aerocet 1100 Floats Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375535#375535 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Using 87 MOGAS From: FLYaDIVE Kevin: You cheep SOB! ;-) [?][?][?] You barrow the airports car and you don't even buy 5 Gallons of AvGas from them! I'm laughing here and saying it tong in cheek. Come on, do the math - How much are you saving? But, wait - If your airport is like some around here... $8/Gal Shaft them royally - - - GO FOR IT! Barry On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:51 AM, wrote: > > Hi Jim & Heather, > I operate my 914 much the same as you. It is my understanding that running > lower than 91 octane would be risky. You can mix 50/50, 87 Mogas with 100 > LL. > I have looked in to octane boosters from auto parts stores, but most of > them are alcohol based and I don't want to increase the alcohol. > I travel with a 5 gallon gas container and use that if I can borrow the > "crew car", and even have taken my long ranger tank in to town for car gas > and lunch on trips. > Kevin > Planning the trip to Oshkosh! How bout you? > > On Jun 13, 2012, at 4:02 AM, "h&jeuropa" wrote: > > butcher43@att.net> > > > > We recently did a trip to Colorado and purchased MOGAS when possible. > Most of the MOGAS available at airports was 87 not 91. We are flying a > Europa with a 914. Since we usually operate at 70% power and only use 100% > for takeoff (have never used 115% except for ground testing), is it OK to > use the lower octane MOGAS? > > > > Jim & Heather > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375495#375495 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:57:40 AM PST US From: "Joel M." Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Using 87 MOGAS Its not about the cost its about getting what you want. If airports would p rovide 91 octane unleaded fuel I would pay whatever price they wanted even if it was more than the 100LL.- I always make that clear to the FBO when I take their courtesy car into town to fill up my gas cans.- Joel --- On Wed, 6/13/12, FLYaDIVE wrote: From: FLYaDIVE Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Using 87 MOGAS Kevin: You cheep SOB! -;-) --You barrow the airports car and you don't even buy 5 Gallons of AvGas from them! -=0AI'm laughing here and saying it-t ong-in cheek. -Come on, do the math - How much are you saving? -But, wait - If your airport is like some around here... $8/Gal Shaft them royall y - - - GO FOR IT! =0ABarry On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:51 AM, wrote: =0A=0A =0AHi Jim & Heather, =0AI operate my 914 much the same as you. It is my understanding that runni ng lower than 91 octane would be risky. You can mix 50/50, 87 Mogas with 10 0 LL. =0AI have looked in to octane boosters from auto parts stores, but most of them are alcohol based and I don't want to increase the alcohol. =0AI travel with a 5 gallon gas container and use that if I can borrow the "crew car", and even have taken my long ranger tank in to town for car gas and lunch on trips. =0AKevin =0APlanning the trip to Oshkosh! How bout you? =0A =0AOn Jun 13, 2012, at 4:02 AM, "h&jeuropa" wrote: =0A t.net> =0A> =0A> We recently did a trip to Colorado and purchased MOGAS when possible. -Most of the MOGAS available at airports was 87 not 91. -We are flying a Europa with a 914. -Since we usually operate at 70% power and only use 100% for takeoff (have never used 115% except for ground testing), is it OK to use the lower octane MOGAS? =0A=0A> =0A> Jim & Heather =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here: =0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375495#375495 =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A =0A =0A =0A-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines -List =0A========== =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com =0A========== =0Ale, List Admin. =0A="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A========== =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:37 PM PST US From: klinefelter.kevin@gmail.com Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Using 87 MOGAS It's not so much about saving$. It's about not not using leaded fuel. But your right, I am a cheap SOB! Always fly with a smile! Kevin On Jun 13, 2012, at 10:46 AM, FLYaDIVE wrote: > Kevin: > > You cheep SOB! ;-) <360.gif><360.gif><360.gif> You barrow the airports c ar and you don't even buy 5 Gallons of AvGas from them! > I'm laughing here and saying it tong in cheek. Come on, do the math - How much are you saving? But, wait - If your airport is like some around here. .. $8/Gal Shaft them royally - - - GO FOR IT! > > Barry > > > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:51 AM, wrote: > > Hi Jim & Heather, > I operate my 914 much the same as you. It is my understanding that running lower than 91 octane would be risky. You can mix 50/50, 87 Mogas with 100 L L. > I have looked in to octane boosters from auto parts stores, but most of th em are alcohol based and I don't want to increase the alcohol. > I travel with a 5 gallon gas container and use that if I can borrow the "c rew car", and even have taken my long ranger tank in to town for car gas and lunch on trips. > Kevin > Planning the trip to Oshkosh! How bout you? > > On Jun 13, 2012, at 4:02 AM, "h&jeuropa" wrote: > net> > > > > We recently did a trip to Colorado and purchased MOGAS when possible. M ost of the MOGAS available at airports was 87 not 91. We are flying a Europ a with a 914. Since we usually operate at 70% power and only use 100% for t akeoff (have never used 115% except for ground testing), is it OK to use the lower octane MOGAS? > > > > Jim & Heather > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375495#375495 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-L ist > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rotaxengines-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RotaxEngines-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rotaxengines-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rotaxengines-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.