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1. 10:32 AM - Re: Re: New fuel pump for 912 part number 893110 (FLYaDIVE)
2. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: New fuel pump for 912 part number 893110 (Pete Christensen)
3. 11:53 AM - Re: Re: New fuel pump for 912 part number 893110 (FLYaDIVE)
4. 08:45 PM - Re: Re: New fuel pump for 912 part number 893110 (Richard Girard)
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| Subject: | Re: New fuel pump for 912 part number 893110 |
Pete:
Davehr'yay, noh praver'yay --- Trust but Verify.
Only a fool follows blindly. And why would you use such an odd ball
undocumented item (your oxygen cannula tubing)? There are clearly better
items for the handling of gas; approved items.. All you have to do is read
AC 43-13.
Roger's knowledge in not in question. His reasoning is. Maybe Roger would
explain why he recommends non approved item for handling gas.
W.W.R.D. [What Would Rotax Do?]
I just read Roger's response: " It's just a drain hose if the fuel pump
pukes any fuel. It most likely won't happen. It doesn't hold any fuel and
it should just sit there for the "just in case" moment. It's just a way to
route any dumped fuel away from the engine if such an event would occur."
This is acceptable to you! If it is so benign why not use a paper straw?
It would be so much easier to use a proper item that is fuel approved. It
is not like it is expensive or difficult to obtain.
Barry
http://www.youtube.com/embed/Fos4EPUOsHo?feature=player_embedded
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Pete Christensen <
pchristensen10@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> Barry,
>
> You should'nt doubt what Roger says. He knows more about Rotax 9 series
> engines than anyone I know. I use the clear plastic hose from an oxygen
> cannula for the overflow on my Rotax carbs. Works great and last for years.
>
> Pete
>
> On Oct 23, 2012, at 11:08 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If it is a drain line for gas why would you put on a clear plastic line?
> Better to use an aluminum line or if you are really pressed a Tygon
> (yellow) plastic line. At least with the Tygon you know the fuel will not
> attack it and possibly cause a collapsed line; where you will loose your
> venting. Why is putting it out in the air stream a problem?
>
> Barry
>
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Roger Lee <ssadiver1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>> Hi Sacha,
>>
>> Attach a hose (it can be of the clear plastic type) to your third nipple.
>> It is a drain. Run it down and out any where you want to the edge of the
>> cowling or opening. Do not put it out in the air stream.
>>
>> --------
>> Roger Lee
>> Tucson, Az.
>> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
>> Rotax Repair Center - Heavy Maint. Rated
>> Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
>> Cell 520-349-7056
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: New fuel pump for 912 part number 893110 |
I fly an experimental. I'm experimenting. Get over it.
Pete
On Oct 25, 2012, at 12:31 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pete:
>
> Davehr'yay, noh praver'yay --- Trust but Verify.
>
> Only a fool follows blindly. And why would you use such an odd ball undoc
umented item (your oxygen cannula tubing)? There are clearly better items f
or the handling of gas; approved items.. All you have to do is read AC 43-1
3.
>
> Roger's knowledge in not in question. His reasoning is. Maybe Roger would
explain why he recommends non approved item for handling gas.
> W.W.R.D. [What Would Rotax Do?]
>
> I just read Roger's response: " It's just a drain hose if the fuel pump p
ukes any fuel. It most likely won't happen. It doesn't hold any fuel and it s
hould just sit there for the "just in case" moment. It's just a way to route
any dumped fuel away from the engine if such an event would occur."
> This is acceptable to you! If it is so benign why not use a paper straw?
It would be so much easier to use a proper item that is fuel approved. It i
s not like it is expensive or difficult to obtain.
>
>
>
>
> Barry
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/embed/Fos4EPUOsHo?feature=player_embedded
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Pete Christensen <pchristensen10@austin.r
r.com> wrote:
>> Barry,
>>
>> You should'nt doubt what Roger says. He knows more about Rotax 9 series e
ngines than anyone I know. I use the clear plastic hose from an oxygen cann
ula for the overflow on my Rotax carbs. Works great and last for years.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2012, at 11:08 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If it is a drain line for gas why would you put on a clear plastic line?
Better to use an aluminum line or if you are really pressed a Tygon (yello
w) plastic line. At least with the Tygon you know the fuel will not attack i
t and possibly cause a collapsed line; where you will loose your venting. W
hy is putting it out in the air stream a problem?
>>>
>>> Barry
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Roger Lee <ssadiver1@yahoo.com> wrote:
om>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Sacha,
>>>>
>>>> Attach a hose (it can be of the clear plastic type) to your third nippl
e. It is a drain. Run it down and out any where you want to the edge of the c
owling or opening. Do not put it out in the air stream.
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Roger Lee
>>>> Tucson, Az.
>>>> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
>>>> Rotax Repair Center - Heavy Maint. Rated
>>>> Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
>>>> Cell 520-349-7056
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New fuel pump for 912 part number 893110 |
Pete:
Did you build the plane?
Barry
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Pete Christensen <
pchristensen10@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> I fly an experimental. I'm experimenting. Get over it.
>
> Pete
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2012, at 12:31 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Pete:
>
> Davehr'yay, noh praver'yay --- Trust but Verify.
>
> Only a fool follows blindly. And why would you use such an odd ball
> undocumented item (your oxygen cannula tubing)? There are clearly better
> items for the handling of gas; approved items.. All you have to do is read
> AC 43-13.
>
> Roger's knowledge in not in question. His reasoning is. Maybe Roger would
> explain why he recommends non approved item for handling gas.
> W.W.R.D. [What Would Rotax Do?]
>
> I just read Roger's response: " It's just a drain hose if the fuel pump
> pukes any fuel. It most likely won't happen. It doesn't hold any fuel and
> it should just sit there for the "just in case" moment. It's just a way to
> route any dumped fuel away from the engine if such an event would occur."
> This is acceptable to you! If it is so benign why not use a paper straw?
> It would be so much easier to use a proper item that is fuel approved. It
> is not like it is expensive or difficult to obtain.
>
>
> Barry
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/embed/Fos4EPUOsHo?feature=player_embedded
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Pete Christensen <
> pchristensen10@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Barry,
>>
>> You should'nt doubt what Roger says. He knows more about Rotax 9 series
>> engines than anyone I know. I use the clear plastic hose from an oxygen
>> cannula for the overflow on my Rotax carbs. Works great and last for years.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2012, at 11:08 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If it is a drain line for gas why would you put on a clear plastic line?
>> Better to use an aluminum line or if you are really pressed a Tygon
>> (yellow) plastic line. At least with the Tygon you know the fuel will not
>> attack it and possibly cause a collapsed line; where you will loose your
>> venting. Why is putting it out in the air stream a problem?
>>
>> Barry
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Roger Lee <ssadiver1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>> Hi Sacha,
>>>
>>> Attach a hose (it can be of the clear plastic type) to your third
>>> nipple. It is a drain. Run it down and out any where you want to the edge
>>> of the cowling or opening. Do not put it out in the air stream.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Roger Lee
>>> Tucson, Az.
>>> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
>>> Rotax Repair Center - Heavy Maint. Rated
>>> Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
>>> Cell 520-349-7056
>>>
>>>
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>
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>
> *
>
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: New fuel pump for 912 part number 893110 |
Barry, Here's Roger's original recommendation:
"Attach a hose (it can be of the clear plastic type) to your third nipple.
It is a drain. Run it down and out any where you want to the edge of the
cowling or opening. Do not put it out in the air stream."
I don't see where his recommendation is to use something that's completely
incompatible with gasoline. Plastic takes in a lot of territory. I've
attached McMaster Carr's Chemical Compatibility chart for just one type
that I picked out, PVC. Some is recommended for gasoline, some isn't, and
this chart is for tubing that will hold gasoline, not just sit there
holding nothing but air, waiting for some gas to run through it.
Pete didn't specify anything either, other oxygen system cannula tubing. No
chemical formulation. Again, takes in a lot of territory.
How exactly is your wise council any better? Use aluminum you say. What
alloy? What hardness? Work hardened? Heat treated? WTF?
My ex-wife liked to leap to conclusions and start running her mouth. That
was the primary reason I booted her fat butt out the door.
Rick Girard
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 1:52 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pete:
>
> Did you build the plane?
>
> Barry
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Pete Christensen <
> pchristensen10@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I fly an experimental. I'm experimenting. Get over it.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2012, at 12:31 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Pete:
>>
>> Davehr'yay, noh praver'yay --- Trust but Verify.
>>
>> Only a fool follows blindly. And why would you use such an odd ball
>> undocumented item (your oxygen cannula tubing)? There are clearly
>> better items for the handling of gas; approved items.. All you have to do
>> is read AC 43-13.
>>
>> Roger's knowledge in not in question. His reasoning is. Maybe Roger
>> would explain why he recommends non approved item for handling gas.
>> W.W.R.D. [What Would Rotax Do?]
>>
>> I just read Roger's response: " It's just a drain hose if the fuel pump
>> pukes any fuel. It most likely won't happen. It doesn't hold any fuel and
>> it should just sit there for the "just in case" moment. It's just a way to
>> route any dumped fuel away from the engine if such an event would occur."
>> This is acceptable to you! If it is so benign why not use a paper straw?
>> It would be so much easier to use a proper item that is fuel approved. It
>> is not like it is expensive or difficult to obtain.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Barry
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/embed/Fos4EPUOsHo?feature=player_embedded
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Pete Christensen <
>> pchristensen10@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Barry,
>>>
>>> You should'nt doubt what Roger says. He knows more about Rotax 9 series
>>> engines than anyone I know. I use the clear plastic hose from an oxygen
>>> cannula for the overflow on my Rotax carbs. Works great and last for years.
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>> On Oct 23, 2012, at 11:08 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> If it is a drain line for gas why would you put on a clear plastic line?
>>> Better to use an aluminum line or if you are really pressed a Tygon
>>> (yellow) plastic line. At least with the Tygon you know the fuel will not
>>> attack it and possibly cause a collapsed line; where you will loose your
>>> venting. Why is putting it out in the air stream a problem?
>>>
>>> Barry
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Roger Lee <ssadiver1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Sacha,
>>>>
>>>> Attach a hose (it can be of the clear plastic type) to your third
>>>> nipple. It is a drain. Run it down and out any where you want to the edge
>>>> of the cowling or opening. Do not put it out in the air stream.
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Roger Lee
>>>> Tucson, Az.
>>>> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
>>>> Rotax Repair Center - Heavy Maint. Rated
>>>> Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
>>>> Cell 520-349-7056
>>>>
>>>>
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