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1. 12:53 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough (peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk)
2. 02:54 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough (Clive Richards)
3. 03:08 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough (Clive Richards)
4. 04:36 AM - Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough (Alan Carter)
5. 04:46 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough (Robert Borger)
6. 05:55 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough (Brian Davies)
7. 06:10 AM - Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough (Alan Carter)
8. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough (Alan Carter)
9. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough (Robert Borger)
10. 07:31 AM - Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough (Alan Carter)
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough |
I think that some of the europa owners who live in properly cold
countries do tricks like this (or a heat pad on a timer).
P
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From: alancarteresq@onetel.net
Subj: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough
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Hi Again.
Would warming the engine for 15 minutes with a couple of Hair driers
blowing hot air into the cowling help.??
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough |
Alan
That appears to be correct the module from Conair will
provide the delay you require at a price on one ignition module. & you will
need to start on this one only. If you have the ignition switch I
described you can achieve this by fitting the link R to outer GRD terminal
R will be the non delayed ignition & you will start on the left. I noticed
an ERROR in my description the feed to BAT terminal should read positive as
negative is earth .
If you have the later Rotax modules you just need to provide a feed
from the start switch wires 26 on schematic in manual. to provide the delay
on both.
Pre heating the engine in cold weather is a good idea if you can achieve
this.
All the best Clive
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From: "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq@onetel.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:07 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough
> <alancarteresq@onetel.net>
>
> Hello All.
> Its getting a bit complicated for me, but as far as i can make out, the
> coils fire two plugs at a time, every 180% of the fly wheel, its a dual
> ignition system but to keep it simple look at it as a single ignition
> system, so the distributor is disposed of due to the dual sparks, So as
> two pistons are coming up there barrels one on compression and one one
> exhaust both plugs spark, then this same happens again as the other two
> come up there barrels in turn.
> So to stop kick back , spin the engine faster or make the spark occur
> later ,
> preferably after TDC.
>
> Is that roughly correct
>
> Alan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390415#390415
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough |
Alan
Roger has a good point about fuel. Also if you are using
garage fuel it will not keep very long so use immediately, I suggest you
use 91UL if you can get it as this is Avgas without the lead and will
keep much longer.
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From: Robert Borger
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough
Alan,
You got it! And Super or Super Plus Mogas. From the Rotax 914
Operators Manual:
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Dec 13, 2012, at 5:07 PM, Alan Carter <alancarteresq@onetel.net>
wrote:
<alancarteresq@onetel.net>
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough |
Hi All.
Phoned Con Air today the Soft Start Module with the 4 pin connectors is for early
engines around the year 2000 like mine, it cost about 140 but you have to be
wired in the cockpit to be able to start on one mag.
You can also purchase a Rotax kit that consists of 2 modules it retards both ignitions
and requires NO cockpit wiring of mags switches, but this kits about
550 probably plus Vat ?? but Will only work with the later 6 pin connections
on the later engines.
For me, Change Fuel to Super Plus, if no good, then wire for 1 mag start,.
if no good, fit Soft Start Module. or wait till summer before i fly.
As you can see i would rather berry my head in the sand and hope it would go away.
My last job was replacing the battery in the GPS and also wiring the main battery
for external charging. I have just looked at the wheel struts why is there
no little pad to put a jack under.?
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough |
Hi Alan,
Good plan.
I need to install some sort of external charging capability too. And I'm with
you on the jack pad issue!
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Dec 14, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Alan Carter <alancarteresq@onetel.net> wrote:
Hi All.
Phoned Con Air today the Soft Start Module with the 4 pin connectors is for early
engines around the year 2000 like mine, it cost about 140 but you have to be
wired in the cockpit to be able to start on one mag.
You can also purchase a Rotax kit that consists of 2 modules it retards both ignitions
and requires NO cockpit wiring of mags switches, but this kits about
550 probably plus Vat ?? but Will only work with the later 6 pin connections
on the later engines.
For me, Change Fuel to Super Plus, if no good, then wire for 1 mag start,.
if no good, fit Soft Start Module. or wait till summer before i fly.
As you can see i would rather berry my head in the sand and hope it would go away.
My last job was replacing the battery in the GPS and also wiring the main battery
for external charging. I have just looked at the wheel struts why is there
no little pad to put a jack under.?
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough |
Alan,
Just a word of caution on fuels. In the UK Super-Plus unleaded is generally
refined to meet a standard BS 7800, not EN228. The only Mogas fuel currently
approved by CAA and LAA is that refined to EN228, and without ethanol. The
reason that the Super-Plus unleaded fuels are not approved is that the
vapour pressure of the blend is very high compared with EN228 Mogas or
Avgas. This could lead to an increased risk of vapour locking in flight.
Regards
Brian Davies
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Borger
Sent: 13 December 2012 23:32
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough
Alan,
You got it! And Super or Super Plus Mogas. From the Rotax 914 Operators
Manual:
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Dec 13, 2012, at 5:07 PM, Alan Carter <alancarteresq@onetel.net> wrote:
<alancarteresq@onetel.net>
Hello All.
Its getting a bit complicated for me, but as far as i can make out, the
coils fire two plugs at a time, every 180% of the fly wheel, its a dual
ignition system but to keep it simple look at it as a single ignition
system, so the distributor is disposed of due to the dual sparks, So as two
pistons are coming up there barrels one on compression and one one exhaust
both plugs spark, then this same happens again as the other two come up
there barrels in turn.
So to stop kick back , spin the engine faster or make the spark occur later
,
preferably after TDC.
Is that roughly correct
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough |
Hi Bob.
In the UK i saw in a motor cycle shop a complete charging unit made by Suzuki,
eye washer connectors for the battery and a the other end of the wire a flat plastic
plate about 1.1/2"x 1" with a rubber plug covering the connector, guard
to cover the terminals.
The plate was moulded with a plastic retaining clip on the back, a small rectangle
hole would need to be cut for it, and it would self fix into it, either inside
the plane or on the skin outside, Suzuki have there own shaped plugs so yo
would need to buy the whole lot including the maintenance charger.
It looked a neat job.
I leave my charging lead dangling out of the small air vent at the front side of
the cockpit. .I,m just going to plug in and blow the tyers up, as one is a bit
low.
The Suzuki,s Plate would be neater.
How the hell do i change a tyre if i get a flat away from base.?
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough |
Hi Brian.
Thanks for the information,
As far as i know Super Plus has no Ethanol in it, ? but will test when i
get a test kit as i want to check out EN228 .
I will also ask in the Europa list if anyone tests for ethanol ?
The vapour locking , don,t know much about this, but more likely in hot
weather maybe ??
If its OK with you, No Names mentioned , i will just say a friend posted
this to me , can anyone update about the vapour locking,
Different country,s have different rules so it may be in regular use.
So might get some feed back.
Regards
Alan
From: Brian Davies
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough
Alan,
Just a word of caution on fuels. In the UK Super-Plus unleaded is
generally refined to meet a standard BS 7800, not EN228. The only Mogas
fuel currently approved by CAA and LAA is that refined to EN228, and
without ethanol. The reason that the Super-Plus unleaded fuels are not
approved is that the vapour pressure of the blend is very high compared
with EN228 Mogas or Avgas. This could lead to an increased risk of
vapour locking in flight.
Regards
Brian Davies
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[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Robert Borger
Sent: 13 December 2012 23:32
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough
Alan,
You got it! And Super or Super Plus Mogas. From the Rotax 914
Operators Manual:
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Dec 13, 2012, at 5:07 PM, Alan Carter <alancarteresq@onetel.net>
wrote:
<alancarteresq@onetel.net>
Hello All.
Its getting a bit complicated for me, but as far as i can make out, the
coils fire two plugs at a time, every 180% of the fly wheel, its a dual
ignition system but to keep it simple look at it as a single ignition
system, so the distributor is disposed of due to the dual sparks, So as
two pistons are coming up there barrels one on compression and one one
exhaust both plugs spark, then this same happens again as the other two
come up there barrels in turn.
So to stop kick back , spin the engine faster or make the spark occur
later ,
preferably after TDC.
Is that roughly correct
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough |
Hi Alan,
I need to put something like that charging plug together for my battery. I'll
contact the folks who make my charger to see if they have or can come up with
such.
The way I remove/replace a tire is with a suitably sized saw horse with a well
padded top. I get under the wing and lift with my legs, my back supporting the
wing. Then I pull the saw horse (I don't know what you Brits call it, but I'll
provide a picture if you need) under the wing and let the wing down on the
padding. If all is properly sized, the sawhorse will support the wing with the
wheel just off the ground. It's a heck of a lot easier and better if you have
someone else to help, but if this old fart can accomplish it alone almost
anyone who doesn't have a bad back should be able to do it.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Dec 14, 2012, at 8:09 AM, Alan Carter <alancarteresq@onetel.net> wrote:
Hi Bob.
In the UK i saw in a motor cycle shop a complete charging unit made by Suzuki,
eye washer connectors for the battery and a the other end of the wire a flat plastic
plate about 1.1/2"x 1" with a rubber plug covering the connector, guard
to cover the terminals.
The plate was moulded with a plastic retaining clip on the back, a small rectangle
hole would need to be cut for it, and it would self fix into it, either inside
the plane or on the skin outside, Suzuki have there own shaped plugs so yo
would need to buy the whole lot including the maintenance charger.
It looked a neat job.
I leave my charging lead dangling out of the small air vent at the front side of
the cockpit. .I,m just going to plug in and blow the tyers up, as one is a bit
low.
The Suzuki,s Plate would be neater.
How the hell do i change a tyre if i get a flat away from base.?
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough |
Hi Bob
"Don,t know what the Brits call it", There,s only me, and i call it a saw horse.
I can even make one. Advanced C&Gs in Carpentry and Joinery many years ago.
Going back to Fuel, A friend mail me with this.
In the UK Super-Plus unleaded is generally refined to meet a standard BS 7800,
not EN228. The only Mogas fuel currently approved by CAA and LAA is that refined
to EN228, and without ethanol. The reason that the Super-Plus unleaded fuels
are not approved is that the vapour pressure of the blend is very high compared
with EN228 Mogas or Avgas. This could lead to an increased risk of vapour
locking in flight.
I think there is no ethanol in Super Plus , but don,t know much about vapour locking,
would have thought only in summer temps, but does anybody use Super Plus
fuel, or can give some input on this subject as the fuel is approved by Rotax.
Alan
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