---------------------------------------------------------- RotaxEngines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/14/12: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:53 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough (peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk) 2. 02:54 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough (Clive Richards) 3. 03:08 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough (Clive Richards) 4. 04:36 AM - Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough (Alan Carter) 5. 04:46 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough (Robert Borger) 6. 05:55 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough (Brian Davies) 7. 06:10 AM - Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough (Alan Carter) 8. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough (Alan Carter) 9. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough (Robert Borger) 10. 07:31 AM - Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough (Alan Carter) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:05 AM PST US From: "peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk" Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough I think that some of the europa owners who live in properly cold countries do tricks like this (or a heat pad on a timer). P ----Original Message---- From: alancarteresq@onetel.net Subj: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough Hi Again. Would warming the engine for 15 minutes with a couple of Hair driers blowing hot air into the cowling help.?? Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390417#390417 Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:21 AM PST US From: "Clive Richards" Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough Alan That appears to be correct the module from Conair will provide the delay you require at a price on one ignition module. & you will need to start on this one only. If you have the ignition switch I described you can achieve this by fitting the link R to outer GRD terminal R will be the non delayed ignition & you will start on the left. I noticed an ERROR in my description the feed to BAT terminal should read positive as negative is earth . If you have the later Rotax modules you just need to provide a feed from the start switch wires 26 on schematic in manual. to provide the delay on both. Pre heating the engine in cold weather is a good idea if you can achieve this. All the best Clive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Carter" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:07 PM Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough > > > Hello All. > Its getting a bit complicated for me, but as far as i can make out, the > coils fire two plugs at a time, every 180% of the fly wheel, its a dual > ignition system but to keep it simple look at it as a single ignition > system, so the distributor is disposed of due to the dual sparks, So as > two pistons are coming up there barrels one on compression and one one > exhaust both plugs spark, then this same happens again as the other two > come up there barrels in turn. > So to stop kick back , spin the engine faster or make the spark occur > later , > preferably after TDC. > > Is that roughly correct > > Alan > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390415#390415 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:08:12 AM PST US From: "Clive Richards" Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough Alan Roger has a good point about fuel. Also if you are using garage fuel it will not keep very long so use immediately, I suggest you use 91UL if you can get it as this is Avgas without the lead and will keep much longer. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Borger To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:31 PM Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough Alan, You got it! And Super or Super Plus Mogas. From the Rotax 914 Operators Manual: Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Dec 13, 2012, at 5:07 PM, Alan Carter wrote: Alan ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:27 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough From: "Alan Carter" Hi All. Phoned Con Air today the Soft Start Module with the 4 pin connectors is for early engines around the year 2000 like mine, it cost about 140 but you have to be wired in the cockpit to be able to start on one mag. You can also purchase a Rotax kit that consists of 2 modules it retards both ignitions and requires NO cockpit wiring of mags switches, but this kits about 550 probably plus Vat ?? but Will only work with the later 6 pin connections on the later engines. For me, Change Fuel to Super Plus, if no good, then wire for 1 mag start,. if no good, fit Soft Start Module. or wait till summer before i fly. As you can see i would rather berry my head in the sand and hope it would go away. My last job was replacing the battery in the GPS and also wiring the main battery for external charging. I have just looked at the wheel struts why is there no little pad to put a jack under.? Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390436#390436 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough From: Robert Borger Hi Alan, Good plan. I need to install some sort of external charging capability too. And I'm with you on the jack pad issue! Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Dec 14, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Alan Carter wrote: Hi All. Phoned Con Air today the Soft Start Module with the 4 pin connectors is for early engines around the year 2000 like mine, it cost about 140 but you have to be wired in the cockpit to be able to start on one mag. You can also purchase a Rotax kit that consists of 2 modules it retards both ignitions and requires NO cockpit wiring of mags switches, but this kits about 550 probably plus Vat ?? but Will only work with the later 6 pin connections on the later engines. For me, Change Fuel to Super Plus, if no good, then wire for 1 mag start,. if no good, fit Soft Start Module. or wait till summer before i fly. As you can see i would rather berry my head in the sand and hope it would go away. My last job was replacing the battery in the GPS and also wiring the main battery for external charging. I have just looked at the wheel struts why is there no little pad to put a jack under.? Alan ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:29 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough Alan, Just a word of caution on fuels. In the UK Super-Plus unleaded is generally refined to meet a standard BS 7800, not EN228. The only Mogas fuel currently approved by CAA and LAA is that refined to EN228, and without ethanol. The reason that the Super-Plus unleaded fuels are not approved is that the vapour pressure of the blend is very high compared with EN228 Mogas or Avgas. This could lead to an increased risk of vapour locking in flight. Regards Brian Davies From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Borger Sent: 13 December 2012 23:32 Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough Alan, You got it! And Super or Super Plus Mogas. From the Rotax 914 Operators Manual: Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Dec 13, 2012, at 5:07 PM, Alan Carter wrote: Hello All. Its getting a bit complicated for me, but as far as i can make out, the coils fire two plugs at a time, every 180% of the fly wheel, its a dual ignition system but to keep it simple look at it as a single ignition system, so the distributor is disposed of due to the dual sparks, So as two pistons are coming up there barrels one on compression and one one exhaust both plugs spark, then this same happens again as the other two come up there barrels in turn. So to stop kick back , spin the engine faster or make the spark occur later , preferably after TDC. Is that roughly correct Alan No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:16 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough From: "Alan Carter" Hi Bob. In the UK i saw in a motor cycle shop a complete charging unit made by Suzuki, eye washer connectors for the battery and a the other end of the wire a flat plastic plate about 1.1/2"x 1" with a rubber plug covering the connector, guard to cover the terminals. The plate was moulded with a plastic retaining clip on the back, a small rectangle hole would need to be cut for it, and it would self fix into it, either inside the plane or on the skin outside, Suzuki have there own shaped plugs so yo would need to buy the whole lot including the maintenance charger. It looked a neat job. I leave my charging lead dangling out of the small air vent at the front side of the cockpit. .I,m just going to plug in and blow the tyers up, as one is a bit low. The Suzuki,s Plate would be neater. How the hell do i change a tyre if i get a flat away from base.? Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390442#390442 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:19 AM PST US From: "Alan Carter" Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough Hi Brian. Thanks for the information, As far as i know Super Plus has no Ethanol in it, ? but will test when i get a test kit as i want to check out EN228 . I will also ask in the Europa list if anyone tests for ethanol ? The vapour locking , don,t know much about this, but more likely in hot weather maybe ?? If its OK with you, No Names mentioned , i will just say a friend posted this to me , can anyone update about the vapour locking, Different country,s have different rules so it may be in regular use. So might get some feed back. Regards Alan From: Brian Davies Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:53 PM Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough Alan, Just a word of caution on fuels. In the UK Super-Plus unleaded is generally refined to meet a standard BS 7800, not EN228. The only Mogas fuel currently approved by CAA and LAA is that refined to EN228, and without ethanol. The reason that the Super-Plus unleaded fuels are not approved is that the vapour pressure of the blend is very high compared with EN228 Mogas or Avgas. This could lead to an increased risk of vapour locking in flight. Regards Brian Davies From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Borger Sent: 13 December 2012 23:32 Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough Alan, You got it! And Super or Super Plus Mogas. From the Rotax 914 Operators Manual: Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Dec 13, 2012, at 5:07 PM, Alan Carter wrote: Hello All. Its getting a bit complicated for me, but as far as i can make out, the coils fire two plugs at a time, every 180% of the fly wheel, its a dual ignition system but to keep it simple look at it as a single ignition system, so the distributor is disposed of due to the dual sparks, So as two pistons are coming up there barrels one on compression and one one exhaust both plugs spark, then this same happens again as the other two come up there barrels in turn. So to stop kick back , spin the engine faster or make the spark occur later , preferably after TDC. Is that roughly correct Alan No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / 12/14/12 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough From: Robert Borger Hi Alan, I need to put something like that charging plug together for my battery. I'll contact the folks who make my charger to see if they have or can come up with such. The way I remove/replace a tire is with a suitably sized saw horse with a well padded top. I get under the wing and lift with my legs, my back supporting the wing. Then I pull the saw horse (I don't know what you Brits call it, but I'll provide a picture if you need) under the wing and let the wing down on the padding. If all is properly sized, the sawhorse will support the wing with the wheel just off the ground. It's a heck of a lot easier and better if you have someone else to help, but if this old fart can accomplish it alone almost anyone who doesn't have a bad back should be able to do it. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Dec 14, 2012, at 8:09 AM, Alan Carter wrote: Hi Bob. In the UK i saw in a motor cycle shop a complete charging unit made by Suzuki, eye washer connectors for the battery and a the other end of the wire a flat plastic plate about 1.1/2"x 1" with a rubber plug covering the connector, guard to cover the terminals. The plate was moulded with a plastic retaining clip on the back, a small rectangle hole would need to be cut for it, and it would self fix into it, either inside the plane or on the skin outside, Suzuki have there own shaped plugs so yo would need to buy the whole lot including the maintenance charger. It looked a neat job. I leave my charging lead dangling out of the small air vent at the front side of the cockpit. .I,m just going to plug in and blow the tyers up, as one is a bit low. The Suzuki,s Plate would be neater. How the hell do i change a tyre if i get a flat away from base.? Alan ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:23 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 914 Right Mag rough From: "Alan Carter" Hi Bob "Don,t know what the Brits call it", There,s only me, and i call it a saw horse. I can even make one. Advanced C&Gs in Carpentry and Joinery many years ago. Going back to Fuel, A friend mail me with this. In the UK Super-Plus unleaded is generally refined to meet a standard BS 7800, not EN228. The only Mogas fuel currently approved by CAA and LAA is that refined to EN228, and without ethanol. The reason that the Super-Plus unleaded fuels are not approved is that the vapour pressure of the blend is very high compared with EN228 Mogas or Avgas. This could lead to an increased risk of vapour locking in flight. I think there is no ethanol in Super Plus , but don,t know much about vapour locking, would have thought only in summer temps, but does anybody use Super Plus fuel, or can give some input on this subject as the fuel is approved by Rotax. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390445#390445 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rotaxengines-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RotaxEngines-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rotaxengines-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rotaxengines-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.