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2. 05:24 AM - Re: Van's SB 13-3-21 5-year rubber replacement parts (FLYaDIVE)
3. 06:03 AM - Re: Van's SB 13-3-21 5-year rubber replacement parts (Robert Borger)
4. 07:51 AM - Re: Van's SB 13-3-21 5-year rubber replacement parts (Roger Lee)
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| Subject: | Re: Van's SB 13-3-21 5-year rubber replacement parts |
Dan, disregard request for specific pointer...I found the video..it was
good...thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Wilde" <stolpilot.wilde@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Van's SB 13-3-21 5-year rubber replacement
parts
> <stolpilot.wilde@gmail.com>
>
> On 3/22/2013 8:03 PM, JohnF wrote:
>>
>> I don't argue that replacing the parts suggested is not a good idea.
>>
>> What I still can't believe and am REALLY disgusted by is the price.
>> CPS lists the cost of the parts kit at $1,004....it consists of some
>> tubing, a few gaskets and other minor parts. Some seem to be about the
>> same as you could find at your local hardware store.
>>
>> Nothing exotic, detailed precise, carefully machined parts...just some
>> rubber parts. But for goodness ! $1,000 for what it seems I could get
>> for around $50 or less at True Value.
>>
>> How can this be justified?
>>
>>
>>
>> I just listened to a EAA video on Rotax motors today. The presenter was
>> from Lockwood and he suggested that one could probably get by without
>> changing hoses and lines for up to ten years if the plane is cowled, runs
>> on unleaded fuel, and is hangered. The video is over an hour long but
>> had some good information, especially regarding fuel. He said 10%
>> alcohol is no problem for the engine but might be an issue for fuel lines
>> and filters if they are not alcohol compatible. I recommend spending the
>> time to watch it.
>
> Dan Wilde
> 701 Pilot
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Van's SB 13-3-21 5-year rubber replacement parts |
A true post if I ever heard one John.
And I thought Continental and Lycoming were ripoff companies... Rotax is
learning from the best. That's what happens when you get a government
contract. Just look at Garmin.
Barry
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 11:03 PM, JohnF <n29cx@ridgeviewtel.us> wrote:
>
> I don't argue that replacing the parts suggested is not a good idea.
>
> What I still can't believe and am REALLY disgusted by is the price.
> CPS lists the cost of the parts kit at $1,004....it consists of some
> tubing, a few gaskets and other minor parts. Some seem to be about the same
> as you could find at your local hardware store.
>
> Nothing exotic, detailed precise, carefully machined parts...just some
> rubber parts. But for goodness ! $1,000 for what it seems I could get for
> around $50 or less at True Value.
>
> How can this be justified?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396830#396830
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Van's SB 13-3-21 5-year rubber replacement parts |
Gents,
I replaced my rubber coolant hose with silicone hose. It won't help the gaskets
and other small parts but these hoses should never require replacement again.
A silicone hose set is available from Stefan Ingemarsson. This set replaces
all the coolant hoses: heads to collector, collector to radiator and radiator
to coolant pump. He may even be able to supply a silicone hose from the collector
to the overflow bottle. His sets are specifically designed for the Europa
XS and Europa Classic but may be suitable for other applications as long as
the radiator is just below and behind the engine. You can contact Stefan at
ingemarsson.s@telia.com.
It is also possible that you can source silicone hose of the proper size through
various websites. This hose can be cut to appropriate length for installation.
It might even be possible to get the larger hoses (to/from the radiator)
with the necessary bends.
If it's for a certified aircraft, sorry, you are out of luck. You get to buy the
certified parts from CPS or Lockwood or other provider.
Just my 2 and worth most of that.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Mar 22, 2013, at 10:03 PM, JohnF <n29cx@ridgeviewtel.us> wrote:
I don't argue that replacing the parts suggested is not a good idea.
What I still can't believe and am REALLY disgusted by is the price.
CPS lists the cost of the parts kit at $1,004....it consists of some tubing, a
few gaskets and other minor parts. Some seem to be about the same as you could
find at your local hardware store.
Nothing exotic, detailed precise, carefully machined parts...just some rubber parts.
But for goodness ! $1,000 for what it seems I could get for around $50
or less at True Value.
How can this be justified?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396830#396830
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| Subject: | Re: Van's SB 13-3-21 5-year rubber replacement parts |
Hi Guys, Here is some food for thought while making those important decisions.
First I'll be the first to say some hose can last longer than 5 years and I don't
like the expense any more than the next guy, but I fly too many people and
have too much with life or money to risk throwing it all away on poor maint. decisions
just because of money. If you think teenagers make poor decisions, well
plane owners rank right up there with them at times. I can make more money,
but I can't replace people or busted up body parts. I have seen a few hose go
in the last 6 years. It has cost these people anywhere from $1700 to $18K for
repairs.
Parts wear even when it isn't about time in place. I just rebuilt a set of carbs.
They were two years old, but did have 1000 hrs on them. Several of the "O"
rings inside were cracked and split and one float was sinking. I have posted
pictures or coolant and fuel hoses cracking, mainly where they are crimped or
secured on around the fitting. Barbed fittings are hard on hose. Let fuel get
up under the inside liner of the hose and now it can flake. Since all your fuel
line and oil line is supposed to be in fire sleeve how do you check all these
hoses without dismantling them? 91 oct. with ethanol can be hard on some hose
because the ethanol is a drier. Hose inside a tight cowl goes through a lot
of heating and cooling cycles. Not all hose is created equal. I have found many
with reduced radius hose because of heat shield applications or too tight of
a bend. This list can go on and on. Rotax hose change schedule may be a little
conservative, but because they can't control all the above variables it's that
way and no owner can predict a hose failure or give every spec on every hose
on their engine. There are a few short cuts that could be made to the parts
list and price, but we all should have known flying wasn't an in-expensive sport
nor a safe one if we ignore many safe guards along the way. Too many obituary's
and forced landings to show otherwise.
So the bottom line is which side of the fence do we decide to fall on? It's certainly
your choice, but remember your not making that decision for yourself, but
your family and friends whether they fly with you or not.
Turn the situation around. If it was your parent, your wife or your son doing something
that may cause their early demise cripple you for life, wipe out a lot
of savings because of damage, liability to friends, neighbors or other civilians
what advice would you give? How would you feel and get along without them.
tell you're wife you're going to negate some safety maint. and it could possibly
cause your early demise and get her opinion.
Doing 30 annuals a year on LSA aircraft I have seen a lot and just when I think
I have seen it all something new pops up either owner caused (most common from
act or omission) or something odd just because it was an aircraft.
I will tell you as a 30 yr. firefighter going to help and rescue thousands of people
the one thing they all had in common was this saying: "Wow, that never happened
before". Always a first time.
I have posted numerous pictures of bad hoses on other sites over the last 2 years
that should be enough for most to see hose health and failures is not an exact
science and that at times the guy who said they'll last ten years can be wrong
as many times as he may be right. I've done well over 40+ hose changes and
seen first hand. Anyone else here done that many that can shed some light?
I still dislike the cost, but I knew it when I started flying it wasn't my cheapest
sport.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center - Heavy Maint. Rated
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520-349-7056
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