---------------------------------------------------------- RotaxEngines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/25/13: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:42 AM - Re: Re: Van's SB 13-3-21 5-year rubber replacement parts (Max Cointe) 2. 05:44 AM - Re: Re: Van's SB 13-3-21 5-year rubber replacement parts (FLYaDIVE) 3. 06:59 AM - Re: Van's SB 13-3-21 5-year rubber replacement parts (Robert Borger) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:42:32 AM PST US From: "Max Cointe" Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Van's SB 13-3-21 5-year rubber replacement parts Barry, Thanks for your inputs. >One should really take a lesson from SOME of the stuff the FAA has done for us. I=92m French but why not J >On GA aircraft there are two types of hoses: >1 - The Fire Sleeve hose assembly which has a Time Life Limit of five (5) years. >2 - The other hose available is the TEFLON Hose with over-molded Fire Sleeve. This hose must meet and exceed all the requirement of the fire sleeve hose assembly. BUT! Does not have a Life Limit. As far as I know there is Teflon hoses for cooling liquid but not for oil or fuel and no gaskets or o-rings for carbs, rights? But if these parts exist could you say where can be found. > b) If you are using ANY of the APPROVED hoses for gas - They have to be approved for MoGas as well as AvGas and that includes Alcohol (ETOH) and >Ethanol. This also goes back to the Life Limit of five (5) years on Fire Sleeve hoses. SO - Trying to blame Ethanol for a hose failure is not acceptable. The failure is >more than likely due to how the fittings were assembled on the hose or as you said Roger - Owner Caused or Omitted. Here we have two kinds of MoGas: =9295 with Ethanol (max 10%) and =9298 with very few %. I think that Rotax has approved fuel with Ethanol (like =9295) quite recently but never released a CN to define a life-time for the hoses and refers that point to the plane (or kit) manufacturer. Or did I miss something? Max Cointe mcointe@free.fr F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 450 hours F-PLDJ Dyn=92A=E9ro MCR 4S Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1550 heures ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Van's SB 13-3-21 5-year rubber replacement parts From: FLYaDIVE ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:46 AM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Van's SB 13-3-21 5-year rubber replacement parts Max, Teflon hose for fuel system components is available from Aeroquip. Their Aeroquip 666 is teflon. You could replace all your rubber fuel hose with Aeroquip 666 hose and never have to worry about replacement again. I bui lt my Europa from scratch with 666 hose. It isn't cheap nor is it light a nd you should have it custom made for you by the vendor as it isn't a hose that's suited to home fabrication. But it is teflon and it is impervious to just about anything and certainly anything in fuel. It also has a con ductive lining to eliminate static generation which can erode the best hos e from the inside. It is also covered with a stainless steel braid for st rength, abraision resistance and safety. You can have it fabricated with firesleeve or add that yourself prior to installation. It is available fr om a number of sources in the US. I don't know about France. I purchased mine from Aircraft Spruce. You can check their website for pricing and i nformation. If you presently use barbed fittings for your hose connections you would h ave to replace them with AN Flared Tube connectors. Steel or stainless st eel in front of the firewall but aluminum is acceptable behind the firewal l. I hope this helps. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914 w/ Intercooler & Airmaster C/S Prop Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 H: 940-497-2123 C: 817-992-1117 On Mar 25, 2013, at 03:41 AM, Max Cointe wrote: Barry, Thanks for your inputs. >One should really take a lesson from SOME of the stuff the FAA has done f or us. I=99m French but why not J >On GA aircraft there are two types of hoses: >1 - The Fire Sleeve hose assembly which has a Time Life Limit of five (5) years. >2 - The other hose available is the TEFLON Hose with over-molded Fire Sle eve. This hose must meet and exceed all the requirement of the fire sleeve hose assembly. BUT! Does not have a Life Limit. As far as I know there is Teflon hoses for cooling liquid but not for oil or fuel and no gaskets or o-rings for carbs, rights? But if these parts ex ist could you say where can be found. > b) If you are using ANY of the APPROVED hoses for gas - They have to be approved for MoGas as well as AvGas and that includes Alcohol (ETOH) and > Ethanol. This also goes back to the Life Limit of five (5) years on Fire Sleeve hoses. SO - Trying to blame Ethanol for a hose failure is not acce ptable. The failure is >more than likely due to how the fittings were ass embled on the hose or as you said Roger - Owner Caused or Omitted. Here we have two kinds of MoGas: =9995 with Ethanol (max 10%) and =9998 with very few %. I think that Rotax has approved fuel with Ethano l (like =9995) quite recently but never released a CN to define a li fe-time for the hoses and refers that point to the plane (or kit) manufact urer. Or did I miss something? Max Cointe mcointe@free.fr F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 450 hours F-PLDJ Dyn=99A=C3=A9ro MCR 4S Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1550 heures ======== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rotaxengines-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RotaxEngines-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rotaxengines-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rotaxengines-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.