Today's Message Index:
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1. 02:43 AM - Re: ACS2002 price jump (Will Cretsinger)
2. 05:50 AM - Re: How do you put a tire and tube together. (glenn williams)
3. 05:56 AM - Re: You're Welcome (Jim Truitt)
4. 06:03 AM - Re: How do you put a tire and tube together. (Miller Robert)
5. 06:08 AM - RV8 KIT FOR SALE (Joe Kramer)
6. 06:37 AM - Re: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long (John Helms)
7. 06:37 AM - Re: Engine installation (Eugene Williams)
8. 06:44 AM - Re: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long (John Helms)
9. 07:43 AM - Re: How do you put a tire and tube together. (Eustace Bowhay)
10. 07:48 AM - Re: ACS2002 price jump (Mike Robertson)
11. 08:04 AM - Re: How do you put a tire and tube together. (KostaLewis)
12. 08:33 AM - Re: How do you put a tire and tube together. (Dan Checkoway)
13. 08:50 AM - Re: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long (Tim Bryan)
14. 08:52 AM - Re:How do you put a tire and tube together (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
15. 08:53 AM - Re: How do you put a tire and tube together. (Larry Pardue)
16. 09:30 AM - Re: ACS2002 price jump (Randall Henderson)
17. 09:32 AM - RV Seat Belts/Harnesses (RV_8 Pilot)
18. 09:39 AM - Fw: How do you put a tire and tube together. (C. Rabaut)
19. 09:44 AM - Fw: Re: You're Welcome (C. Rabaut)
20. 09:52 AM - Fw: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long (C. Rabaut)
21. 09:57 AM - Fw: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long (C. Rabaut)
22. 10:09 AM - Re: Engine installation (Elsa & Henry)
23. 10:11 AM - Re: How do you put a tire and tube together. (barry pote)
24. 10:14 AM - Tire Talc! (Bruce Bell)
25. 10:17 AM - Fw: You're welcome (C. Rabaut)
26. 10:19 AM - Fw: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long (C. Rabaut)
27. 10:19 AM - Opinions on The List (KostaLewis)
28. 10:20 AM - Re: ACS2002 price jump (LarryRobertHelming)
29. 10:22 AM - Fw: Fw: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long (C. Rabaut)
30. 10:33 AM - Re: Unloading new Lycoming from the freight truck (HCRV6@aol.com)
31. 10:58 AM - Re: Unloading new Lycoming from the freight truck (JRWillJR@aol.com)
32. 11:01 AM - Re: Avionics (HCRV6@aol.com)
33. 11:30 AM - Re: How do you put a tire and tube together. (glenn williams)
34. 11:45 AM - opinions on the list/tire installation (glenn williams)
35. 11:58 AM - Santa's Check Ride.....Not RV Related (Ross Mickey)
36. 11:59 AM - Re: Fw: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long (John Helms)
37. 12:19 PM - Re: canopy frame (kempthornes)
38. 12:34 PM - Re: opinions on the list/tire installation (Jim Jewell)
39. 12:43 PM - Re: References please -- WAS:Alternative Engine (kempthornes)
40. 12:53 PM - [Fw: Engine installation]CORRECTION (Richard Dudley)
41. 01:00 PM - Fights, Flames, & Apologies (C. Rabaut)
42. 01:06 PM - Re: References please -- WAS:Alternative EngineQuestions (Chris)
43. 01:38 PM - Re: Fw: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long (Dr. Leathers)
44. 02:01 PM - Re: References please -- WAS:Alternative Engine Questions (Tedd McHenry)
45. 02:26 PM - Re: References please -- WAS:Alternative Engine Questions (Albert Gardner)
46. 03:22 PM - Re: How do you put a tire and tube together. (Wayne R. Couture)
47. 03:37 PM - Re: Opinions on The List (Bob Moore)
48. 03:46 PM - sliders & tip-up (Dr. Kevin P. Leathers)
49. 03:59 PM - Re: References please -- WAS:Alternative EngineQuestions (Jim Jewell)
50. 04:02 PM - Re: sliders & tip-up (Patrick Kelley)
51. 04:03 PM - Re: sliders & tip-up (Albert Gardner)
52. 04:11 PM - Re:Fw: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long (Bert Forero)
53. 04:36 PM - While you guys were complaining about Insurance companies.... (Doug Rozendaal)
54. 04:36 PM - Re: sliders & tip-up (Jim Jewell)
55. 04:36 PM - Fw: Re:Fw: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long (C. Rabaut)
56. 04:45 PM - Remove Me From List (Natedanna@aol.com)
57. 05:05 PM - Fw: While you guys were complaining about Insurance companies.... (C. Rabaut)
58. 05:15 PM - Re: sliders & tip-up (Tommy Walker)
59. 05:17 PM - Re: Canopy crack :-( (Chris Good)
60. 05:40 PM - Re: Opinions on The List (Curt Hoffman)
61. 05:50 PM - Re: While you guys were complaining about Insurance (Miller Robert)
62. 05:52 PM - Bad news (Doug Rozendaal)
63. 06:19 PM - Re: Airfoil Diagram & Van's Fuel Valve (GRGSCHMIDT@aol.com)
64. 06:22 PM - Re: sliders & tip-up (David Taylor)
65. 06:29 PM - I took the plunge (David Taylor)
66. 06:34 PM - Re: While you guys were complaining about Insurance (Miller Robert)
67. 06:42 PM - Re: sliders & tip-up (Laird Owens)
68. 06:45 PM - Re: sliders & tip-up (Dr. Leathers)
69. 06:46 PM - Fw: sliders & tip-up (Tommy Walker)
70. 06:58 PM - Re: References please -- WAS:Alternative EngineQuestions (Dave Bristol)
71. 07:07 PM - Re: While you guys were complaining about Insurance companies.... (Tom Gummo)
72. 07:18 PM - Re: I took the plunge (Jeff Orear)
73. 07:20 PM - Re: References please -- WAS:Alternative Engine Questions (Dave Bristol)
74. 07:20 PM - Re: sliders & tip-up (Sam Buchanan)
75. 07:22 PM - Re: Re:Fw: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long (Tom Gummo)
76. 07:24 PM - Re: Airfoil Diagram & Van's Fuel Valve (Jerry Springer)
77. 08:03 PM - Re: sliders & tip-up (JhnstnIII@aol.com)
78. 08:11 PM - Re: References please -- WAS:Alternative EngineQuestions (Tedd McHenry)
79. 08:11 PM - Re: I Took the Plunge (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
80. 08:14 PM - Re: References please -- WAS:Alternative Engine Questions (Tedd McHenry)
81. 08:18 PM - Re: Airfoil Diagram & Van's Fuel Valve (Ed Bundy)
82. 08:24 PM - Re: Engine installation (Mark Phillips)
83. 08:38 PM - Re:Opinions on the List/Tire Installation (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
84. 08:44 PM - Re: References please -- WAS:Alternative Engine Questions (Tedd McHenry)
85. 08:46 PM - Single strobe power (Jim Duckett)
86. 08:50 PM - Aero Electric Connection; Still in Business? (Mark and Sabina Gilbert)
87. 09:12 PM - Re: While you guys were complaining about Insurance companies.... (Bill VonDane)
88. 09:13 PM - Re: Aero Electric Connection; Still in Business? (Jim Jewell)
89. 09:17 PM - Re: Aero Electric Connection; Still in Business? (Larry Bowen)
90. 09:27 PM - References... (Jim Duckett)
91. 09:54 PM - More bad news (Roy Glass or Mary Poteet)
92. 09:55 PM - . (Joe Kramer)
93. 10:00 PM - Re: RV Seat Belts/Harnesses (Randall Henderson)
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\"C. W. Crane\"" <cwcrane@gbronline.com>
| Subject: | Re: ACS2002 price jump |
--> RV-List message posted by: Will Cretsinger <cretsinger@ticnet.com>
The price makes me like my EIS even more! After 500 hours I am still
happy with it!
Will Cretsinger, Arlington, Texas
Dan Checkoway wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> Yoiks...anybody else notice the huge (for me) jump in price that just
> happened to the ACS2002? It went from $3250 to $3800 (Van's) and $3950
> (Advanced Control Systems). Wow! Not exactly a meager 3% hike.
>
> Sucks to be me...6-12 months away from needing it. Boy, I hope they're not
> catching on to its true value just yet...
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (fuselage)
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: How do you put a tire and tube together. |
--> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
I would suggest you put talcum on the rims as well as
the inside of the tire. DO NOT INFALTE THE TUBE. with
the tube deflated you can better position the tube
around on the inside of the tire away from the rim
that you should already have positioned inside the
tire. Lay the tube inside the tire and position it
away from the lip of the rim. Install the other rim
(make sure the weight mark on the tire is positioned
correctly.) Place the bolts through the holes and push
on the tire to get the nuts started. at this point the
rims will still be seperated and if you have a small
inspection mirror you can look through the bearing
races and ensure the tube is not protruding through
the wheel halves. If for some reason it is. take a
wood dowel and gently push the tube inside the tire
assy. snug up and torque the bolts. Inflate to
pressure and deflate. Do this several times to seat
the tube to the tire.
Glenn Williams
A&P Fort Worth
--- Larry Pardue <n5lp@carlsbad.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue"
> <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: cecilth@juno.com
> >
> > How do you put a tire and tube together?
> >
> > I mean without pinching the tube. I've tried,
> carefully, tongue in cheek,
> > soft cajoling words and polite curse words so far.
> > So I figure some of you thousands of guys, or
> girls have done this a few
> > times. Have any of you figured out an easy way
> that works every time?
> > Cecil Hatfield
>
> Shoot! I don't have the answer. It's always a
> struggle for me. After you
> do get the tube kinda in position it probably pays
> to put a bit of air in it
> to give it shape so it won't get pinched when you
> bolt the rims together.
>
> Larry Pardue
> Carlsbad, NM
>
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| Subject: | re: You're Welcome |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Truitt <Jim.Truitt@usdoj.gov>
C. Rabaut wrote:
" But seriously, I do think that insurance agents, realtors, attorneys,
bartenders, and politicians profit inappropriately in good and bad times."
I can't believe you included bartenders in there. I'm in law enforcement
also. I like bartenders ... especially when bartenders and strippers are
together, it's always a good time. (I only know this because so many
fugitives are found in those places).
Message 4
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| Subject: | Re: How do you put a tire and tube together. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
May I ask a silly question?
Can the presence of Talcum powder be abrasive to the tube over time?
Thanks.
Robert
Eustace Bowhay wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Eustace Bowhay" <ebowhay@jetstream.net>
>
> As has been suggested, I put talcum powder in the tire and roll it around
> until all of the inside has a coating of powder then dump the excess out.
> Put the inner tube in the tire and put enough air in it to get it seated
> wrinkle free in the tire, then leave just enough air in it retain it's
> shape. This with a little care should allow the two wheel halves to go
> together without pinching the tube.
>
> Eustace Bowhay Blind Bay, B.C. 6A wings and emp. parts painted.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <cecilth@juno.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: How do you put a tire and tube together.
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: cecilth@juno.com
> >
> > How do you put a tire and tube together?
> >
> > I mean without pinching the tube. I've tried, carefully, tongue in cheek,
> > soft cajoling words and polite curse words so far.
> > So I figure some of you thousands of guys, or girls have done this a few
> > times. Have any of you figured out an easy way that works every time?
> > Cecil Hatfield
> > I just know I will wake up in the morning and have the answer. Ain't this
> > list great? Yep, I paid my dues last month for the sixth time in six
> > years.
> > Cecil (again)
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | RV8 KIT FOR SALE |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Joe Kramer" <JRKramer@cox.net>
RV8 empennage and wing kit for sale. Inquire at 623-202-8223
Message 6
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| Subject: | Re: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Thanks John
I think Chuck may have had what he feels was a bad experience with
insurance, and is trying to take it out on me and the rest of the industry.
I sure hope being in law enforcement that he doesn't have the same problem
(somebody who hates cops, coming after him just for what he does.)
Do not archive
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
John Helms,
I got your letter and read your posting a few hours ago. Your message was
clear. The new governmental law requires this, and since we can opt out if
we wish with essentially no change to our policy or premium I see no reason
for anyone to get upset.. thanks for the information.
John at Salida, CO
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
>
> Can you read?
>
> This was a government law that was passed. I was trying to explain it to
a
> community of airplane owners that I care about.
>
> Why are you so down on insurance? If you don't want it don't purchase it.
> If I am not mistaken, you have requested quotes in the past. You must be
a
> person who expects the insurance company to offer coverages for you at so
> low a price that they lose money. (that by the way is what has gotten us
to
> the point we're at in this segment of the market... with so few companies
> left that do aviation insurance.)
>
> Some people do want it. Insurance provides a useful tool for some people
to
> manage risk.
>
> Don't be so negative.
>
> JT
>
> Do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> To: "RV-List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Fw: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Leave it to the Insurance Industry to lead the heroic charge to recede
from
> any/all liability/responsibility.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Helms <jhelms@i1.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
> >
> > There is a brand new law regarding terrorism coverage with regards to
> insurance policies in the US. My customers should be receiving a letter
> from me (which was written by my boss, and doesn't explain much).
> >
> > You all should receive a letter from your insurance company directly
> regarding it in the next 90 days. Once notified, if you elect not to
> purchase the coverage, it will automatically go away again.
> >
> > The law temporarily adds coverage to US insurance policies with regards
to
> acts of terrorism. The scope of the coverage being added to all
applicable
> policies is extremely narrow (territory limited [basically] to US soil,
over
> $5 millon losses in total per occurence, must be designated a terrorist
act
> by the US Secretary of Treasury, etc.)
> >
> > The government enacted this law to ensure that commercial enterprises
> could purchase coverage for terrorist acts onto their policies.
> "Commercial" was not defined in the law and most of the insurance
companies
> are erring on the side of contacting all their policy holders and offering
> the coverage.
> >
> > This law should not be seen as deleting the War Risk exclusion on your
> policy. It is much narrower than the definitions on that exclusion. It is
> only adding back in a portion of those risks excluded.
> >
> > Applicable policyholders will be notified by their insurance carriers
that
> the coverage now exists on the policy. They will likely have the choice of
> allowing the coverage to lapse at the end of the grace period, sign away
the
> coverage, or purchase the coverage permenantly. Yes, you will have to
> ultimately pay for this coverage if you want it to stay on your policy. It
> has only been added temporarily.
> >
> > The pricing has yet to be determined. But, my initial reaction is that
> unless it is extremely cheap, it will not be worth purchasing. The
coverage
> is EXTREMELY narrow. The act causing the damage would have to do more than
> $5 million in damage, and the US Government (Secretary of the Treasury)
> would have to specifically declare that as an act of terrorism.
> >
> > It does appear that the companies will either issue an additional
> exclusion if you do not purchase the coverage (in addition to the
> war/hijacking exclusions that now appear on all policies) or they will
alter
> their war/hijacking exclusions.
> >
> > Once you're contacted by your insurance company with specifics on the
> coverage and pricing, if you have any questions or wish to purchase the
> coverage, you should contact your current insurance agent.
> >
> > Definetely, do not archive
> >
> > John "JT" Helms
> > Branch Manager
> > NationAir Insurance Agency
> > Pleasure and Business Branch
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Eugene Williams" <Ewill177@hotmail.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Dudley
Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine installation
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Hi Rick,
I just hung my 0-320-D1A last weekend. I found the "Illustrated Guide to
Engine Hanging" very helpful in both preparation of the engine and the
actual hanging. It can be found at the following address:
http://www.metronet.com/~dreeves/articles/IllustratedGuideToEngineHanging/enginehanging.htm.
The same article was published in a the Second Issue of 2001 RVator.
Their step-by-step sequence works. The fourth bolt was still difficult
and required a lot of patience and persistence.
On tightening and torquing the bolts, you will need a variety of 7/16
wrenches. Each nut has different accessibility problems. Typical open
end and sockets will not fit. I found that a Sears short box end wrench
worked well for all nut positions. I ended up cutting a piece out of the
end of the box end to allow removal on the third nut after tightening.
Not enough room between the valve push tube and the mounting ear.
Hope this helps. I'll be glad to discuss further while still fresh in my
mind if you wish.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
-6A FWF
Rick Galati wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick07x@earthlink.net>
>
> Within the next two weeks or so, I am expecting a factory new Lycoming
> 0-320-D1A and welcome any tips, advice, or suggestions for avoiding grief or
> needless aggravation in hanging the engine on my 6A as soon as possible.
> Another words, what prep work is advantageous or needs to be done to the engine
> right out of the box, mandatory or otherwise, prior to bolting the powerplant
to
> the engine mount?
>
> --- Rick Galati
>
> --- rick07x@earthlink.net
>
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| Subject: | Re: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Chuck, my God! They will have to. If they don't then there wouldn't be any
point in selling it to anyone.
Again, I'll try to go slow.
1. Osama slams large planes into some buildings. Sept 2001
2. The insurance companies are forced by their re-insurers overseas to add
language to the policy excluding war/hijacking etc. Oct 2001
3. The government wrote and enacted a law temporarily adding that coverage
back to all "commercial" (but we won't delve into that) policies in the US
for an extremely narrow definition of terrorist acts. That law requires
that the insurance companies contact their insureds and permanantly offer
this coverage for a charge IF THE INSUREDS WANT IT. Nov 2002
The insurance companies are going to have to write an exclusion that would
be included on policies if the insured decides not to purchase it.
How else would you recommend they accomplish that?
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: Fw: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
John,
But did you copy the part about their "New Exclusions" will be forth
coming?
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: John <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
> John Helms,
>
> I got your letter and read your posting a few hours ago. Your message was
> clear. The new governmental law requires this, and since we can opt out if
> we wish with essentially no change to our policy or premium I see no
reason
> for anyone to get upset.. thanks for the information.
>
> John at Salida, CO
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
> >
> > Can you read?
> >
> > This was a government law that was passed. I was trying to explain it
to
> a
> > community of airplane owners that I care about.
> >
> > Why are you so down on insurance? If you don't want it don't purchase
it.
> > If I am not mistaken, you have requested quotes in the past. You must
be
> a
> > person who expects the insurance company to offer coverages for you at
so
> > low a price that they lose money. (that by the way is what has gotten
us
> to
> > the point we're at in this segment of the market... with so few
companies
> > left that do aviation insurance.)
> >
> > Some people do want it. Insurance provides a useful tool for some
people
> to
> > manage risk.
> >
> > Don't be so negative.
> >
> > JT
> >
> > Do not archive
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> > To: "RV-List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Fw: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> >
> > Leave it to the Insurance Industry to lead the heroic charge to recede
> from
> > any/all liability/responsibility.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Helms <jhelms@i1.net>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
> > >
> > > There is a brand new law regarding terrorism coverage with regards to
> > insurance policies in the US. My customers should be receiving a letter
> > from me (which was written by my boss, and doesn't explain much).
> > >
> > > You all should receive a letter from your insurance company directly
> > regarding it in the next 90 days. Once notified, if you elect not to
> > purchase the coverage, it will automatically go away again.
> > >
> > > The law temporarily adds coverage to US insurance policies with
regards
> to
> > acts of terrorism. The scope of the coverage being added to all
> applicable
> > policies is extremely narrow (territory limited [basically] to US soil,
> over
> > $5 millon losses in total per occurence, must be designated a terrorist
> act
> > by the US Secretary of Treasury, etc.)
> > >
> > > The government enacted this law to ensure that commercial enterprises
> > could purchase coverage for terrorist acts onto their policies.
> > "Commercial" was not defined in the law and most of the insurance
> companies
> > are erring on the side of contacting all their policy holders and
offering
> > the coverage.
> > >
> > > This law should not be seen as deleting the War Risk exclusion on your
> > policy. It is much narrower than the definitions on that exclusion. It
is
> > only adding back in a portion of those risks excluded.
> > >
> > > Applicable policyholders will be notified by their insurance carriers
> that
> > the coverage now exists on the policy. They will likely have the choice
of
> > allowing the coverage to lapse at the end of the grace period, sign away
> the
> > coverage, or purchase the coverage permenantly. Yes, you will have to
> > ultimately pay for this coverage if you want it to stay on your policy.
It
> > has only been added temporarily.
> > >
> > > The pricing has yet to be determined. But, my initial reaction is that
> > unless it is extremely cheap, it will not be worth purchasing. The
> coverage
> > is EXTREMELY narrow. The act causing the damage would have to do more
than
> > $5 million in damage, and the US Government (Secretary of the Treasury)
> > would have to specifically declare that as an act of terrorism.
> > >
> > > It does appear that the companies will either issue an additional
> > exclusion if you do not purchase the coverage (in addition to the
> > war/hijacking exclusions that now appear on all policies) or they will
> alter
> > their war/hijacking exclusions.
> > >
> > > Once you're contacted by your insurance company with specifics on the
> > coverage and pricing, if you have any questions or wish to purchase the
> > coverage, you should contact your current insurance agent.
> > >
> > > Definetely, do not archive
> > >
> > > John "JT" Helms
> > > Branch Manager
> > > NationAir Insurance Agency
> > > Pleasure and Business Branch
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How do you put a tire and tube together. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Eustace Bowhay" <ebowhay@jetstream.net>
Tire shops use powder, without it the tubes tend to stick to the inside of
the tire when they are removed.
Eustace
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miller Robert" <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: How do you put a tire and tube together.
> --> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
>
> May I ask a silly question?
> Can the presence of Talcum powder be abrasive to the tube over time?
> Thanks.
> Robert
>
> Eustace Bowhay wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Eustace Bowhay" <ebowhay@jetstream.net>
> >
> > As has been suggested, I put talcum powder in the tire and roll it
around
> > until all of the inside has a coating of powder then dump the excess
out.
> > Put the inner tube in the tire and put enough air in it to get it seated
> > wrinkle free in the tire, then leave just enough air in it retain it's
> > shape. This with a little care should allow the two wheel halves to go
> > together without pinching the tube.
> >
> > Eustace Bowhay Blind Bay, B.C. 6A wings and emp. parts painted.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <cecilth@juno.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RV-List: How do you put a tire and tube together.
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: cecilth@juno.com
> > >
> > > How do you put a tire and tube together?
> > >
> > > I mean without pinching the tube. I've tried, carefully, tongue in
cheek,
> > > soft cajoling words and polite curse words so far.
> > > So I figure some of you thousands of guys, or girls have done this a
few
> > > times. Have any of you figured out an easy way that works every time?
> > > Cecil Hatfield
> > > I just know I will wake up in the morning and have the answer. Ain't
this
> > > list great? Yep, I paid my dues last month for the sixth time in six
> > > years.
> > > Cecil (again)
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ACS2002 price jump |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Had several chances to look at this unit. It is very robustly built, has a
great screen that can be seen from very accute angles and no washout in
direct sunlight. In addition to being very complete it also has a page for
user inputs, like a checklist, via a serial port. And the screen can be
mounted either horizontally or vertically. We just got the template for the
cutout in the screen and it makes installing the screen very easy. I have
also seen the unit Rob has in his RV-4 and he has put it through quite a bit
to make sure it stands up to the abuse. Overall, I would have to rate this
unit as one of the better ones IMHO.
Mike Robertson
RV-8A, 6A, and 9A
>From: Bobby Hester <bhester@apex.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: ACS2002 price jump
>Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:16:07 -0600
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@apex.net>
>
>Dan Checkoway wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> >
> >Yoiks...anybody else notice the huge (for me) jump in price that just
> >happened to the ACS2002? It went from $3250 to $3800 (Van's) and $3950
> >(Advanced Control Systems). Wow! Not exactly a meager 3% hike.
> >
> >Sucks to be me...6-12 months away from needing it. Boy, I hope they're
>not
> >catching on to its true value just yet...
> >
> >do not archive
> >)_( Dan
> >RV-7 N714D (fuselage)
> >http://www.rvproject.com
> >
> >
>I been watching for some reports on this product. Any users out there
>that can give us there comments? Inquiring minds want to hear from you :-)
>
>--
>Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY
>Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
>RV7A Working on the wings :-)
>
>
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| Subject: | How do you put a tire and tube together. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "KostaLewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
>May I ask a silly question? Can the presence of Talcum powder be
abrasive >to the tube over time?
I don't believe so. If there is a great gob of it left in the tire, it
can probably change the balance. There have been rumors that the perfume
in baby powder can break down the rubber in the tube but I doubt that
also as I have used baby powder for several decades without a tube
coming apart.
SO: put a shake or two of powder (I believe you can get tire talc at Pep
Boys etc if you don't want your tires to smell like a baby's butt) and
coat the inside of the tire. Shake the excess out. Deflate the tube and
slip it in, then add some air to the tube, just enough to give it some
shape. Put the tube stem where the RED TRIANGLE is on the tire for
balance. Push the wheel halves together and run the bolts in. If there
is just enough air in the tube the wheel slips right together without
pinching the tube. Bolt the wheel together and torque the bolts. Make
sure the bolts are torqued before you put air pressure in the tube as
the wheel can come apart if not properly bolted together. Inflate to
proper pressure 5 or so pounds at a time, bouncing the tire around
between. Then deflate the tube and reinflate to the proper pressure
(different for everyone; I use 29 pounds to avoid shimmy). Why deflate
the tire? I don't know; Dale taught me to do it that way and he was
pretty smart about most things aircraft. He said it helps prevent the
tube from wrinkling inside the tire.
The tire guys recommend a new tube every time you change tires.
Depending on the age of the tube, every other or third time may be
adequate.
IMHO
Michael
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| Subject: | Re: How do you put a tire and tube together. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> assy. snug up and torque the bolts. Inflate to
> pressure and deflate. Do this several times to seat
> the tube to the tire.
I was always taught never to inflate the tire to pressure until it's on the
axle secured with the nut. Apparently the bolts holding the wheel halves
together are known to snap, and an exploding wheel can take a chunk out of
your (or somebody else's) head.
Always deflate the tire before removing the axle nut, and never fully
inflate it until you have it secured again. A little air in the tube is
fine, of course...
A shop owner that I know will fire a mechanic on the spot if he catches him
walking around with an inflated tire...he himself was once injured by one of
these wheel separations.
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (fuselage)
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <tim@bryantechnology.com>
Seems Pretty clear to me.
Tim
do not archive
-------Original Message-------
From: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Chuck, my God! They will have to. If they don't then there wouldn't be any
point in selling it to anyone.
Again, I'll try to go slow.
1. Osama slams large planes into some buildings. Sept 2001
2. The insurance companies are forced by their re-insurers overseas to add
language to the policy excluding war/hijacking etc. Oct 2001
3. The government wrote and enacted a law temporarily adding that coverage
back to all "commercial" (but we won't delve into that) policies in the US
for an extremely narrow definition of terrorist acts. That law requires
that the insurance companies contact their insureds and permanantly offer
this coverage for a charge IF THE INSUREDS WANT IT. Nov 2002
The insurance companies are going to have to write an exclusion that would
be included on policies if the insured decides not to purchase it.
How else would you recommend they accomplish that?
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: Fw: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
John,
But did you copy the part about their "New Exclusions" will be forth
coming?
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: John <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
> John Helms,
>
> I got your letter and read your posting a few hours ago. Your message was
> clear. The new governmental law requires this, and since we can opt out if
> we wish with essentially no change to our policy or premium I see no
reason
> for anyone to get upset.. thanks for the information.
>
> John at Salida, CO
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
> >
> > Can you read?
> >
> > This was a government law that was passed. I was trying to explain it
to
> a
> > community of airplane owners that I care about.
> >
> > Why are you so down on insurance? If you don't want it don't purchase
it.
> > If I am not mistaken, you have requested quotes in the past. You must
be
> a
> > person who expects the insurance company to offer coverages for you at
so
> > low a price that they lose money. (that by the way is what has gotten
us
> to
> > the point we're at in this segment of the market... with so few
companies
> > left that do aviation insurance.)
> >
> > Some people do want it. Insurance provides a useful tool for some
people
> to
> > manage risk.
> >
> > Don't be so negative.
> >
> > JT
> >
> > Do not archive
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> > To: "RV-List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Fw: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> >
> > Leave it to the Insurance Industry to lead the heroic charge to recede
> from
> > any/all liability/responsibility.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Helms <jhelms@i1.net>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
> > >
> > > There is a brand new law regarding terrorism coverage with regards to
> > insurance policies in the US. My customers should be receiving a letter
> > from me (which was written by my boss, and doesn't explain much).
> > >
> > > You all should receive a letter from your insurance company directly
> > regarding it in the next 90 days. Once notified, if you elect not to
> > purchase the coverage, it will automatically go away again.
> > >
> > > The law temporarily adds coverage to US insurance policies with
regards
> to
> > acts of terrorism. The scope of the coverage being added to all
> applicable
> > policies is extremely narrow (territory limited [basically] to US soil,
> over
> > $5 millon losses in total per occurence, must be designated a terrorist
> act
> > by the US Secretary of Treasury, etc.)
> > >
> > > The government enacted this law to ensure that commercial enterprises
> > could purchase coverage for terrorist acts onto their policies.
> > "Commercial" was not defined in the law and most of the insurance
> companies
> > are erring on the side of contacting all their policy holders and
offering
> > the coverage.
> > >
> > > This law should not be seen as deleting the War Risk exclusion on your
> > policy. It is much narrower than the definitions on that exclusion. It
is
> > only adding back in a portion of those risks excluded.
> > >
> > > Applicable policyholders will be notified by their insurance carriers
> that
> > the coverage now exists on the policy. They will likely have the choice
of
> > allowing the coverage to lapse at the end of the grace period, sign away
> the
> > coverage, or purchase the coverage permenantly. Yes, you will have to
> > ultimately pay for this coverage if you want it to stay on your policy.
It
> > has only been added temporarily.
> > >
> > > The pricing has yet to be determined. But, my initial reaction is that
> > unless it is extremely cheap, it will not be worth purchasing. The
> coverage
> > is EXTREMELY narrow. The act causing the damage would have to do more
than
> > $5 million in damage, and the US Government (Secretary of the Treasury)
> > would have to specifically declare that as an act of terrorism.
> > >
> > > It does appear that the companies will either issue an additional
> > exclusion if you do not purchase the coverage (in addition to the
> > war/hijacking exclusions that now appear on all policies) or they will
> alter
> > their war/hijacking exclusions.
> > >
> > > Once you're contacted by your insurance company with specifics on the
> > coverage and pricing, if you have any questions or wish to purchase the
> > coverage, you should contact your current insurance agent.
> > >
> > > Definetely, do not archive
> > >
> > > John "JT" Helms
> > > Branch Manager
> > > NationAir Insurance Agency
> > > Pleasure and Business Branch
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
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| Subject: | Re:How do you put a tire and tube together |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
I have used talcum powder for 40+ years with no problems.
I always air the tube to its full shape , powder the inside of the tube , and
put the wheel half with valve stem on the bench. I then push down on the
other half until the halves come tohether . You can tell if the halves have
the tube between them this way . Hold the halves together while installing
the bolts - with help if necessary .
I used 30# in my 985 # RV-4. It bleeds down over time . The posts on the RV-4
list explain how to do access holes for checking pressure.
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X
Charleston,Arkansas
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| Subject: | Re: How do you put a tire and tube together. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Miller Robert" <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: How do you put a tire and tube together.
>
>
This thread is like so many.
Depending on who you believe, it is quite important to put some air in
the tube to prevent pinching or it is really important to not put any air
in the tube to prevent pinching.
It seems like a majority of the time such contradictory opinions are
expressed in reply to a request for help.
Makes me wonder sometimes how much help the list really is? Maybe we
should just do what we think.
Shoot, last week I found out I am not a real craftsman because I didn't
prime the way someone thought was the only proper way. Might as well go
bury that airplane I have been enjoying so much. Otherwise it might only
last 50 years after my death.
Do not archive
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
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| Subject: | Re: ACS2002 price jump |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
Yeah its too bad he had to raise the price, but I know Rob and I'm sure he's
done it out of necessity, and isn't out to gouge anybody.
The ACS2002 is expensive, but we're talking about a really nice glass-panel
engine and aircraft systems monitor that is as complete and well-presented
as anything out there. I think if you looked at what you get and figured out
how to get all of that with other systems the cost maybe makes more sense.
(Maybe Rob will do a comparison sometime with what you'd pay for similar
functionality from EI, VMI, etc.?) Granted, most of us don't NEED all that
stuff. I know there are plenty of guys who learned how to fly in cubs with a
wire-on-a-cork for fuel an oil pressure gauge in the cockpit, and thats
still good enough for them. But more and more of us are looking for
comprehensive, well-presented aircraft monitoring systems, and this is a
top-end model. I guess you gotta pay for the best!
I have steam gauges now but I intend to upgrade my panel eventually, and
when I do I definitely plan to put one of Rob's units in there.
Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~450 hrs)
Portland, OR
www.vanshomewing.org
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| Subject: | RV Seat Belts/Harnesses |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
I'm looking at an upgrade on my -8 seat belts, and drawing a blank on the
better lines of harnesses available out there. Any suggestions? How about
Simpson Racing products? Seems like a nice looking harness for about
$165/set.
Thanks
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
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| Subject: | How do you put a tire and tube together. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Cecil,
I used a couple of strips of cloth strung through between the hub and
the tire/tube to keep from pinching the tube as you tighten the bolts. Then
just pull the strips out.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: <cecilth@juno.com>
Subject: RV-List: How do you put a tire and tube together.
> --> RV-List message posted by: cecilth@juno.com
>
> How do you put a tire and tube together?
>
> I mean without pinching the tube. I've tried, carefully, tongue in cheek,
> soft cajoling words and polite curse words so far.
> So I figure some of you thousands of guys, or girls have done this a few
> times. Have any of you figured out an easy way that works every time?
> Cecil Hatfield
> I just know I will wake up in the morning and have the answer. Ain't this
> list great? Yep, I paid my dues last month for the sixth time in six
> years.
> Cecil (again)
>
>
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| Subject: | re: You're Welcome |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
So that's your story and you're stickin' with it?
Well I should've listed "Strippers" too... God I just hate payin' them so
much $$ :
)
BTW, I think JT missed my previous :
)
do not archive Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Truitt <Jim.Truitt@usdoj.gov>
Subject: RV-List: re: You're Welcome
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Truitt <Jim.Truitt@usdoj.gov>
>
> C. Rabaut wrote:
> " But seriously, I do think that insurance agents, realtors,
attorneys,
> bartenders, and politicians profit inappropriately in good and bad times."
>
> I can't believe you included bartenders in there. I'm in law enforcement
> also. I like bartenders ... especially when bartenders and strippers are
> together, it's always a good time. (I only know this because so many
> fugitives are found in those places).
>
>
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| Subject: | Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
JT, slamming is slamming no matter where you choose to do it.
Also, the "facts" you loosely toss around are inaccurate to say the least.
The open market should determine the cost of insurance NOT the industry
collusion that currently prevails.
The only reason you constantly post "appears to be" solicitations for
"business".
Do Not Archive (any of this junk)
----- Original Message -----
From: John Helms <jhelms@i1.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
> Chuck what are you talking about. I (unlike you) don't like to slam
people
> in a public forum like this. So I cleaned up the one I sent here, yes.
> Some people don't slam others industries just because they don't
understand
> them. I'll try to take it slow for you.
>
> It sounds like you have had a claim. You break an airplane, and your
> insurance company pays for the claim, and then you try to jump to another
> company because they increase your premium 10%? That sure is nice of you.
> "Thank you insurance company for paying my $50,000 claim, but I am leaving
> you because you increased my premium $200 a year!"
>
> The companies do refuse to compete by (oh, my) using the fact that you had
a
> recent claim to decline to quote you (it's called underwriting). It is
> appropriate for someone who has had a claim recently to pay more for
> insurance for a short period of time (usually 3 years.... lets see 200 x 3
=
> $600... does that equal $50,000?) That is a good example of what would
> happen in a claim situation.
>
> John "JT" Helms
> Branch Manager
> NationAir Insurance Agency
> Pleasure and Business Branch
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> To: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
> Cc: "RV-List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 3:40 PM
> Subject: Fw: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
>
>
> Wow, you are sly. Send me the nasty email and sanitize the one to the
list.
> Yes I sought quotes from you and several other insurance agents. And as a
> law enforcement officer I believe the actions you and the other agents
take
> are CRIMINAL! You folks claim that it's just "courtesy" but you all "On a
> gentleman's agreement" refuse to offer coverage to honest folks.
>
> *like my grandma said... "Never argue with an idiot, folks watchin' are
> likely not going to be able to tell the difference."
> do not archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Helms <jhelms@i1.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 5:00 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
> >
> > Can you read?
> >
> > This was a government law that was passed. I was trying to explain it
to
> a
> > community of airplane owners that I care about.
> >
> > Why are you so down on insurance? If you don't want it don't purchase
it.
> > If I am not mistaken, you have requested quotes in the past. You must
be
> a
> > person who expects the insurance company to offer coverages for you at
so
> > low a price that they lose money. (that by the way is what has gotten
us
> to
> > the point we're at in this segment of the market... with so few
companies
> > left that do aviation insurance.)
> >
> > Some people do want it. Insurance provides a useful tool for some
people
> to
> > manage risk.
> >
> > Don't be so negative.
> >
> > JT
> >
> > Do not archive
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> > To: "RV-List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Fw: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> >
> > Leave it to the Insurance Industry to lead the heroic charge to recede
> from
> > any/all liability/responsibility.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Helms <jhelms@i1.net>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
> > >
> > > There is a brand new law regarding terrorism coverage with regards to
> > insurance policies in the US. My customers should be receiving a letter
> > from me (which was written by my boss, and doesn't explain much).
> > >
> > > You all should receive a letter from your insurance company directly
> > regarding it in the next 90 days. Once notified, if you elect not to
> > purchase the coverage, it will automatically go away again.
> > >
> > > The law temporarily adds coverage to US insurance policies with
regards
> to
> > acts of terrorism. The scope of the coverage being added to all
> applicable
> > policies is extremely narrow (territory limited [basically] to US soil,
> over
> > $5 millon losses in total per occurence, must be designated a terrorist
> act
> > by the US Secretary of Treasury, etc.)
> > >
> > > The government enacted this law to ensure that commercial enterprises
> > could purchase coverage for terrorist acts onto their policies.
> > "Commercial" was not defined in the law and most of the insurance
> companies
> > are erring on the side of contacting all their policy holders and
offering
> > the coverage.
> > >
> > > This law should not be seen as deleting the War Risk exclusion on your
> > policy. It is much narrower than the definitions on that exclusion. It
is
> > only adding back in a portion of those risks excluded.
> > >
> > > Applicable policyholders will be notified by their insurance carriers
> that
> > the coverage now exists on the policy. They will likely have the choice
of
> > allowing the coverage to lapse at the end of the grace period, sign away
> the
> > coverage, or purchase the coverage permenantly. Yes, you will have to
> > ultimately pay for this coverage if you want it to stay on your policy.
It
> > has only been added temporarily.
> > >
> > > The pricing has yet to be determined. But, my initial reaction is that
> > unless it is extremely cheap, it will not be worth purchasing. The
> coverage
> > is EXTREMELY narrow. The act causing the damage would have to do more
than
> > $5 million in damage, and the US Government (Secretary of the Treasury)
> > would have to specifically declare that as an act of terrorism.
> > >
> > > It does appear that the companies will either issue an additional
> > exclusion if you do not purchase the coverage (in addition to the
> > war/hijacking exclusions that now appear on all policies) or they will
> alter
> > their war/hijacking exclusions.
> > >
> > > Once you're contacted by your insurance company with specifics on the
> > coverage and pricing, if you have any questions or wish to purchase the
> > coverage, you should contact your current insurance agent.
> > >
> > > Definetely, do not archive
> > >
> > > John "JT" Helms
> > > Branch Manager
> > > NationAir Insurance Agency
> > > Pleasure and Business Branch
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Oh my gosh JT, I see the error of my ways... Why the BILLIONS of people &
companies that pay ZILLIONS of $$$ to the insurance industry should not
EXPECT to receive compensation for injuries incurred. The insurance
industry should be able to charge as much as they want and EXCLUDE
everything that could possibly cause them to pay out.
BTW... thanks for talking slow to me, it does make me feel sooo much better.
And PLEASE you are forgetting "Do Not Archive"
----- Original Message -----
From: John Helms <jhelms@i1.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
>
> Chuck, my God! They will have to. If they don't then there wouldn't be
any
> point in selling it to anyone.
>
> Again, I'll try to go slow.
>
> 1. Osama slams large planes into some buildings. Sept 2001
> 2. The insurance companies are forced by their re-insurers overseas to
add
> language to the policy excluding war/hijacking etc. Oct 2001
> 3. The government wrote and enacted a law temporarily adding that
coverage
> back to all "commercial" (but we won't delve into that) policies in the US
> for an extremely narrow definition of terrorist acts. That law requires
> that the insurance companies contact their insureds and permanantly offer
> this coverage for a charge IF THE INSUREDS WANT IT. Nov 2002
>
> The insurance companies are going to have to write an exclusion that would
> be included on policies if the insured decides not to purchase it.
>
> How else would you recommend they accomplish that?
>
> JT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> To: "RV-List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Fw: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> John,
>
> But did you copy the part about their "New Exclusions" will be forth
> coming?
>
> Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
> >
> > John Helms,
> >
> > I got your letter and read your posting a few hours ago. Your message
was
> > clear. The new governmental law requires this, and since we can opt out
if
> > we wish with essentially no change to our policy or premium I see no
> reason
> > for anyone to get upset.. thanks for the information.
> >
> > John at Salida, CO
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
> > >
> > > Can you read?
> > >
> > > This was a government law that was passed. I was trying to explain it
> to
> > a
> > > community of airplane owners that I care about.
> > >
> > > Why are you so down on insurance? If you don't want it don't purchase
> it.
> > > If I am not mistaken, you have requested quotes in the past. You must
> be
> > a
> > > person who expects the insurance company to offer coverages for you at
> so
> > > low a price that they lose money. (that by the way is what has gotten
> us
> > to
> > > the point we're at in this segment of the market... with so few
> companies
> > > left that do aviation insurance.)
> > >
> > > Some people do want it. Insurance provides a useful tool for some
> people
> > to
> > > manage risk.
> > >
> > > Don't be so negative.
> > >
> > > JT
> > >
> > > Do not archive
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> > > To: "RV-List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Fw: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
> > >
> > >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> > >
> > > Leave it to the Insurance Industry to lead the heroic charge to recede
> > from
> > > any/all liability/responsibility.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: John Helms <jhelms@i1.net>
> > > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
> > > >
> > > > There is a brand new law regarding terrorism coverage with regards
to
> > > insurance policies in the US. My customers should be receiving a
letter
> > > from me (which was written by my boss, and doesn't explain much).
> > > >
> > > > You all should receive a letter from your insurance company directly
> > > regarding it in the next 90 days. Once notified, if you elect not to
> > > purchase the coverage, it will automatically go away again.
> > > >
> > > > The law temporarily adds coverage to US insurance policies with
> regards
> > to
> > > acts of terrorism. The scope of the coverage being added to all
> > applicable
> > > policies is extremely narrow (territory limited [basically] to US
soil,
> > over
> > > $5 millon losses in total per occurence, must be designated a
terrorist
> > act
> > > by the US Secretary of Treasury, etc.)
> > > >
> > > > The government enacted this law to ensure that commercial
enterprises
> > > could purchase coverage for terrorist acts onto their policies.
> > > "Commercial" was not defined in the law and most of the insurance
> > companies
> > > are erring on the side of contacting all their policy holders and
> offering
> > > the coverage.
> > > >
> > > > This law should not be seen as deleting the War Risk exclusion on
your
> > > policy. It is much narrower than the definitions on that exclusion. It
> is
> > > only adding back in a portion of those risks excluded.
> > > >
> > > > Applicable policyholders will be notified by their insurance
carriers
> > that
> > > the coverage now exists on the policy. They will likely have the
choice
> of
> > > allowing the coverage to lapse at the end of the grace period, sign
away
> > the
> > > coverage, or purchase the coverage permenantly. Yes, you will have to
> > > ultimately pay for this coverage if you want it to stay on your
policy.
> It
> > > has only been added temporarily.
> > > >
> > > > The pricing has yet to be determined. But, my initial reaction is
that
> > > unless it is extremely cheap, it will not be worth purchasing. The
> > coverage
> > > is EXTREMELY narrow. The act causing the damage would have to do more
> than
> > > $5 million in damage, and the US Government (Secretary of the
Treasury)
> > > would have to specifically declare that as an act of terrorism.
> > > >
> > > > It does appear that the companies will either issue an additional
> > > exclusion if you do not purchase the coverage (in addition to the
> > > war/hijacking exclusions that now appear on all policies) or they will
> > alter
> > > their war/hijacking exclusions.
> > > >
> > > > Once you're contacted by your insurance company with specifics on
the
> > > coverage and pricing, if you have any questions or wish to purchase
the
> > > coverage, you should contact your current insurance agent.
> > > >
> > > > Definetely, do not archive
> > > >
> > > > John "JT" Helms
> > > > Branch Manager
> > > > NationAir Insurance Agency
> > > > Pleasure and Business Branch
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
What a palaver!-- by the group that installed the engine per the web link
provided by Eugene Williams in response to this thread! I saw the original
article in the RVator but didn't bother to respond to it, because except for
my cowling hinge article, other things I wrote to Van's were never
acknowledged. (The "NIH" factor perhaps?) Anyway, as I outlined in my
posting of 12/1, I installed my engine by MYSELF WITHOUT ANY HELP and it was
easy. Getting those first two bolts installed is difficult. Check the
posting with the subject titled "Engine mount holes and installing
it"--------Cheers!! ------- Henry Hore.
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| Subject: | Re: How do you put a tire and tube together. |
--> RV-List message posted by: barry pote <barrypote@comcast.net>
I was a motorcycle dealer for 30 years. If one of my mechanics forgot to
put a 'puff' of air in a tube, and he pinched it...HE PAID FOR THE
TUBE!.
The idea is to ge enough for it to just barely hold it's shape. That
positions the tube a little and gets it out of some bad places. You must
still exercise care.
Barry Pote RV9a
>
> This thread is like so many.
>
> Depending on who you believe, it is quite important to put some air in
> the tube to prevent pinching or it is really important to not put any air
> in the tube to prevent pinching.
>
> It seems like a majority of the time such contradictory opinions are
> expressed in reply to a request for help.
>
> Makes me wonder sometimes how much help the list really is? Maybe we
> should just do what we think.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" <rv4bell@door.net>
There is a tire talc. I bought it years ago for use on my 1949 A35 Bonanza.
Brand name is Camel Tire Talc. Made by H.B. Egan Manufacturing Company,
Muskogee, Oklahoma 74401. I use it on my Bonanza and my RV4. Follow the
instructions and no problems!
Happy Holidays to All!
Bruce Bell
Lubbock, Texas
RV4 # 2888
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| Subject: | Fw: You're welcome |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
JT,
1.) You ask what my business is; well I am charged with keeping bad folks from
preying on good folks.
2.) You & I both know that Van Guard paid the $350,000 claim because it would
have cost them more to fight it. (You know, "cost analysis" you guys in the
insurance world do it ALL the time). The lawyers tell you that 12 good & true
jurors would more than likely hang the lot of you if you tried to weasel out
on something as heart breaking as that. But the vast majority of the time, the
lawyers tell you that you can get out without paying the full amount you owe
(you remember "adjusters"). ***And BTW, that's one heck of a CHEAP price for
2 humans & their aircraft & other associated damages.***
3.) I am glad you're an aviator with relatives in good fields (I too have my
"Suns" in Boy Scouting).
4.) Yes I have had numerous bad experiences with the insurance industry.
5.) But I disagree... We CANNOT "take it or leave it", we are forced to purchase
insurance at every turn. This force is provided by the industry & it's powerful
lobbies (which the insurance companies make us pay for).
6.) Yes, I have to suffer folks who have had bad experiences with other cops.
And YES some cops are bad. I truly believe you are as honest as you say.
But I know you work in a very corrupt field and I think you are not opening your
eyes to that fact.
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: John Helms
Subject: Re: You're welcome
You really think they would keep insuring anything if they didn't make a profit.
I don't know what you do, but if your business did not make money, how long
would you continue to do it.
I realize that insurance may not be how you want to manage risk in your life.
Why does that make insurance companies or agents bad? We provide a service that
you can take or leave. Many people want it to be available.
I was pretty mad about what you posted. I take this job very seriously. I am
an aviator myself, and was a commissioned officer in the US Army, and a Boy Scout
and Order of the Arrow officer. I feel that I am a trustworthy person and
I would not sell a product that was not useful, or was ripping people off. Would
you? And would you like for someone to spout off like you did about my industry?
I wish that you understood insurance a little better, I think you would
not dislike the industry as much if you did.
The company that underwrites the VanGuard Program that I run is a very good example.
They are such a good company, that they are paying 2 claims (total losses
with the owner and a passenger perishing in each) to the tune of $350,000 even
though they could have denied coverage. Tell me that they are bad people.
I care very much what happens to the RV community. I spent about 1/2 an hour typing
that post so that they would know what was going on. I did that for them
for free. I had sent out a letter to my customers (but didn't like the letter
as it was written by my boss, a lawyer, and didn't explain it well enough).
I actually had an RV customer who had gotten the letter the other day who called
me and asked me to post it on the list. I don't think other insurance agencies
are doing those kinds of things for their customers.
John "JT" Helms
Branch Manager
NationAir Insurance Agency
Pleasure and Business Branch
----- Original Message -----
From: C. Rabaut
To: RV-List
Cc: John Helms
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 3:29 PM
Subject: Fw: You're welcome
JT,
Thanks for your half witted flames. But the Insurance Industry has NEVER
come out on the short end. I and other Californians/Americans are constantly
screwed by these white collar criminals. :
) But seriously, I do think that insurance agents, realtors, attorneys, bartenders,
and politicians profit inappropriately in good and bad times.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: John Helms
To: crabaut@coalinga.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 4:57 PM
Subject: You're welcome
Can you read?
This was a government law that was passed. I was trying to explain it.
Why are you so down on insurance? If you don't want it don't purchase it. If
I am not mistaken, you have requested quotes in the past. You must be a person
who expects the insurance company to offer coverages for you at so low a price
that they lose money. (that by the way is what has gotten us to the point
we're at in this segment of the market... with so few companies left that do
aviation insurance.)
Some people do want it. Insurance provides a useful tool for some people to
manage risk.
Am I using words that are too large for you to understand?
You pay small $, we pay big $ if plane breaks, or you hurt people.
Don't be so negative.
JT
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| Subject: | Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
JT,
I'm NOT "coming after you". I directed my grievance towards any
industry which I have found corrupt. I'm sorry that you are in that field
and have taken it as a personal assault. You are the one who started
emailing nasty messages to me.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: John Helms <jhelms@i1.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
>
> Thanks John
>
> I think Chuck may have had what he feels was a bad experience with
> insurance, and is trying to take it out on me and the rest of the
industry.
> I sure hope being in law enforcement that he doesn't have the same problem
> (somebody who hates cops, coming after him just for what he does.)
>
> Do not archive
>
> JT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
> John Helms,
>
> I got your letter and read your posting a few hours ago. Your message was
> clear. The new governmental law requires this, and since we can opt out if
> we wish with essentially no change to our policy or premium I see no
reason
> for anyone to get upset.. thanks for the information.
>
> John at Salida, CO
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
> >
> > Can you read?
> >
> > This was a government law that was passed. I was trying to explain it
to
> a
> > community of airplane owners that I care about.
> >
> > Why are you so down on insurance? If you don't want it don't purchase
it.
> > If I am not mistaken, you have requested quotes in the past. You must
be
> a
> > person who expects the insurance company to offer coverages for you at
so
> > low a price that they lose money. (that by the way is what has gotten
us
> to
> > the point we're at in this segment of the market... with so few
companies
> > left that do aviation insurance.)
> >
> > Some people do want it. Insurance provides a useful tool for some
people
> to
> > manage risk.
> >
> > Don't be so negative.
> >
> > JT
> >
> > Do not archive
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> > To: "RV-List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Fw: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> >
> > Leave it to the Insurance Industry to lead the heroic charge to recede
> from
> > any/all liability/responsibility.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Helms <jhelms@i1.net>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
> > >
> > > There is a brand new law regarding terrorism coverage with regards to
> > insurance policies in the US. My customers should be receiving a letter
> > from me (which was written by my boss, and doesn't explain much).
> > >
> > > You all should receive a letter from your insurance company directly
> > regarding it in the next 90 days. Once notified, if you elect not to
> > purchase the coverage, it will automatically go away again.
> > >
> > > The law temporarily adds coverage to US insurance policies with
regards
> to
> > acts of terrorism. The scope of the coverage being added to all
> applicable
> > policies is extremely narrow (territory limited [basically] to US soil,
> over
> > $5 millon losses in total per occurence, must be designated a terrorist
> act
> > by the US Secretary of Treasury, etc.)
> > >
> > > The government enacted this law to ensure that commercial enterprises
> > could purchase coverage for terrorist acts onto their policies.
> > "Commercial" was not defined in the law and most of the insurance
> companies
> > are erring on the side of contacting all their policy holders and
offering
> > the coverage.
> > >
> > > This law should not be seen as deleting the War Risk exclusion on your
> > policy. It is much narrower than the definitions on that exclusion. It
is
> > only adding back in a portion of those risks excluded.
> > >
> > > Applicable policyholders will be notified by their insurance carriers
> that
> > the coverage now exists on the policy. They will likely have the choice
of
> > allowing the coverage to lapse at the end of the grace period, sign away
> the
> > coverage, or purchase the coverage permenantly. Yes, you will have to
> > ultimately pay for this coverage if you want it to stay on your policy.
It
> > has only been added temporarily.
> > >
> > > The pricing has yet to be determined. But, my initial reaction is that
> > unless it is extremely cheap, it will not be worth purchasing. The
> coverage
> > is EXTREMELY narrow. The act causing the damage would have to do more
than
> > $5 million in damage, and the US Government (Secretary of the Treasury)
> > would have to specifically declare that as an act of terrorism.
> > >
> > > It does appear that the companies will either issue an additional
> > exclusion if you do not purchase the coverage (in addition to the
> > war/hijacking exclusions that now appear on all policies) or they will
> alter
> > their war/hijacking exclusions.
> > >
> > > Once you're contacted by your insurance company with specifics on the
> > coverage and pricing, if you have any questions or wish to purchase the
> > coverage, you should contact your current insurance agent.
> > >
> > > Definetely, do not archive
> > >
> > > John "JT" Helms
> > > Branch Manager
> > > NationAir Insurance Agency
> > > Pleasure and Business Branch
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "KostaLewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
>This thread is like so many.
>It seems like a majority of the time such contradictory opinions are
>expressed in reply to a request for help.
>Makes me wonder sometimes how much help the list really is? Maybe we
>should just do what we think.
Hmmmmm. Well, this is sort of like picking pinto beans. You get a bunch
of beans, you get a bunch of rocks and dirt clods. You go through the
beans and pick out the junk, throw it away, then cook the beans.
Otherwise, you end up eating a bunch of rocks and dirt.
Or you can not eat pinto beans at all (unsubscribe from The List)
because it's too much hassle to pick through (delete) the beans
(opinions) to find the rocks and dirt (junk opinions). What a gas.
I personally have never wondered about the value of The List, even after
flying for now over 5 years. I delete a BUNCH of things I don't need to
read, but still contribute every year and subscribe. It is like working
on your car under a tree. You are going to get at least three people
that come up and tell you how to do whatever it is you are doing. The
great thing about The List is those that have what we consider junk
opinions don't know we are ignoring them. This is an excellent service,
something I wish I had when I was building. Back when you had to mine
your own bauxite.
Michael
RV-4 N232 Suzie Q
With many junk opinions of my own
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: ACS2002 price jump |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
I have researched the ACS2002 and feel it is about as good as anything out
there right now. I ordered it just before the price increased. Lucky I
guess. ACS has about a 12 week delivery window if anyone is interested. I
had asked Bob at ACS several questions and he was always very prompt.
Another thing I liked about the system is the fuel gauge that compensates
for the tail wheel attitude.
I figured out early if Vans believes in them enough to list their product,
they are a sound investment. I am looking forward to 2003 when I install
it.
Indiana Larry
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| Subject: | Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Yes I realize the NEED is there... I just dislike the corrupt folks who
profit obscenely from the misery of folks they force to pay excessive rates
for something this necessary.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Smcm75@aol.com>
>
> > Leave it to the Insurance Industry to lead the heroic charge to recede
from
> > any/all liability/responsibility.
>
> You guys need to realize that without insurance there would be no
commerce. I
> hate paying for insurance like everyone else, but without it there would
be
> no mortgages available for houses, no financing for any commercial
> properties, no investments into corporate America. I was an aviation
> insurance broker for 27 years and I can state from experience that you
cannot
> ever accuse the insurance industry of being smart, but without them there
> would be no Aviation. Someone has to provide the financial security
necessary
> for business to operate.
>
> Someone should think what it would be like if everyone had to pay for his
own
> mistakes and problems out of his own checkbook. Tell me a different way of
> doing it I I will beat a path to your door
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Unloading new Lycoming from the freight truck |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 12/10/02 4:41:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
ripsteel@edge.net writes:
<< I would imagine the engine is strapped to the pallet that is the base for
the
box- cut a hole in the top of the box large enough to attach your crane to
the
lifting strap, hook it up & hoist away? No idea if this would work, but
worth
looking at? >>
The only problem with this is that the new engines from Van's with long term
storage are sealed in an airtight plastic bag. To get at the lifting strap
you would have to tear/cut a hole in the bag. I was not willing to do that
but I was lucky enough to have the engine delivered by a truck with a lift
gate. Can you round up three or four buddies to help lift it off the truck?
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, electrical (still)
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| Subject: | Re: Unloading new Lycoming from the freight truck |
--> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com
What you really need is a Kubota tractor with a boom pole or FEL. Any self
respecting gear head needs a Kubota. In addition to lifting motors you can
build your runway or build a shop etc. Just a thought. You think I am kidding
huh. Well I guess I am but that is how I will lift mine. Hydraulic muscle is
much better than my poor back any day. Do Not Archive. JR, 7A, tilting
slider, Aerosport IO-360
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--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
John Stark, 706-321-1008 or jts@mindspring.com. He is a great guy to do
business with. It's also in the Yeller Pages.
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, electrical (still)
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| Subject: | Re: How do you put a tire and tube together. |
--> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
yes you are right if a wheel is "suspect". However
when you recieve the wheels from Van's they are new
and the pressure in these wheels is not excessive. I
agree if the wheel has been used and is still on the
aircraft to remove all air before pulling it off the
axle. In my post about inflating and deflating several
times this is assuming the wheels are new and have
never been on an aircraft before.
do not archive
Glenn Williams
A&P Fort Worth
--- Dan Checkoway <dan@rvproject.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway"
> <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> > assy. snug up and torque the bolts. Inflate to
> > pressure and deflate. Do this several times to
> seat
> > the tube to the tire.
>
> I was always taught never to inflate the tire to
> pressure until it's on the
> axle secured with the nut. Apparently the bolts
> holding the wheel halves
> together are known to snap, and an exploding wheel
> can take a chunk out of
> your (or somebody else's) head.
>
> Always deflate the tire before removing the axle
> nut, and never fully
> inflate it until you have it secured again. A
> little air in the tube is
> fine, of course...
>
> A shop owner that I know will fire a mechanic on the
> spot if he catches him
> walking around with an inflated tire...he himself
> was once injured by one of
> these wheel separations.
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (fuselage)
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
>
> Click on the
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8A
A&P
N81GW
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| Subject: | opinions on the list/tire installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
Guys: my previous post about assembling wheels and
tires I hope I have clarified the matter with a
previous post saying the wheels are in new never been
used condition. That said, what I relayed to the
poster asking the question is what in my experience
works best for me. I have been in general aviation for
a few days (LOL) if you have been taught differently
and it works for you so be it. I would even go so far
as to say to a poster is read the manual your question
will be answered in there, or call Vans. We are all
going to have different ways of doing things but it
appears even so we all are striving to reach the same
goal here. If memory serves, that is to have an
airworthy airplane to fly. Am I correct? Now the last
time I checked, this "list" was to help each other. I
would hope that if someone had an idea that he or she
post it so we can all decide in our "own" way if it is
a safe way of doing things. What I am saying here is
there are more than two ways to skin a cat, and get
the same results. awaiting your replies to this post
with baited breath. I am sure some of you will find
some way of crticizing this too.
Glenn Williams
A&P Fort Worth
by the way
do not archive
=====
Glenn Williams
8A
A&P
N81GW
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| Subject: | Santa's Check Ride.....Not RV Related |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
Santa's Check Ride
It is a little known fact that Santa has to keep his pilot's license
current
in order to make his deliveries every year,and so the old man wasn't too
surprised when he got a letter from the FAA informing him that an examiner
would be appearing shortly to run him through the usual recertification
drill.
A detail of elves was sent out to wash and polish the sleigh, another group
was assigned to inspect,service,and repair all the tack,and a third squad
started curry-combing the reindeer. Santa himself got out his logbook and
the rest of the paperwork and made sure that it was all in order.
On the appointed day the examiner arrived, and after the ritual cup of
coffee, he went over Santa's log and the paperwork, then followed Santa
outside. After a meticulous review of Santa's weight and balance
calculations, the examiner watched Santa do the preflight, then followed
behind him, looking closely at everything from the bells on the back of the
sleigh to Rudolph's nose. When he finished, he turned to Santa and
said:"It
looks pretty good so far. Let me get one thing out of my bags and then
we'll
take her up."
When the examiner got back, Santa was in the sleigh and ready to taxi. As
the
examiner climbed into the sleigh, Santa noticed that he was carrying a
shotgun. "What's THAT for?" Santa asked. The examiner looked at him, then
winked: "I really shouldn't tell you this, but you're going to lose an
engine
on takeoff."
Merry Christmas - -
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| Subject: | Re: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Problem is that for years the companies have actually charged less than what
they pay out in claims, and that was o.k. with them. They got there $ up
front, and were making their profit in the stock market. Now that there is
no profit to be had there, they have been forced to make an underwriting
profit (charge more in premiums than they pay out in claims.)
By the way, I did take it personally (your 1st email) and that may have been
my fault. (so really you did pick this fight.) :-) But if I was on some
cop chat room and posted that all cops are bad (which they aren't) just
because I had a bad experience with one, I think you would take offense.
And again, it appears that you are generalizing your experience as bad
because you are ignorant (means you don't know or understand... not how
intended how it sounds) of how insurance works. And by the way all types of
insurance is the same, they evaluate you as a risk based on your accident
history whether they paid out the claim or some other company did. The
problem that you keep referring to is that the aviation insurance industry
has only 8 players in it. They will not compete with each other on a risk
that another company is still willing to write for a couple of years after a
significant claim has been paid.
You keep calling this collusion. Even if you went to a different company,
they still would be surcharging you for the claim. If your agent has done
his job well, you should be with the best price and value for your risk that
exists. So why not pay them back a little? Why are you in such an all
fired hurry to rush away from that company which did it's duty under the
insurance contract and paid your claim?
So, your argument is flawed. You are trying to say that people who have
made claims should not pay more (even for 3 years) than those with a clean
record. If this were true, then YOU would be artificially raising everyone
elses premiums (even those with clean records.) Do you understand?
Yes, I hope to write policies for RV owners. We created a program for them
and administer it for Van. It has preferential rates. We have a very
profitable business selling aircraft policies to all types of light aircraft
owners. You being a public servant, you may not understand that many of us
out there don't survive on tax money. We must make/sell/service things for
$ to survive.
I don't think anyone can accuse me of abusing my presence here on this list.
I have never directly solicited business on this site. I think that part of
my service to my customers (and even those who aren't) to be present here
and educate them about insurance if they have misconceptions (you) or
questions.
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: Fw: Fw: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Yes I realize the NEED is there... I just dislike the corrupt folks who
profit obscenely from the misery of folks they force to pay excessive rates
for something this necessary.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Smcm75@aol.com>
>
> > Leave it to the Insurance Industry to lead the heroic charge to recede
from
> > any/all liability/responsibility.
>
> You guys need to realize that without insurance there would be no
commerce. I
> hate paying for insurance like everyone else, but without it there would
be
> no mortgages available for houses, no financing for any commercial
> properties, no investments into corporate America. I was an aviation
> insurance broker for 27 years and I can state from experience that you
cannot
> ever accuse the insurance industry of being smart, but without them there
> would be no Aviation. Someone has to provide the financial security
necessary
> for business to operate.
>
> Someone should think what it would be like if everyone had to pay for his
own
> mistakes and problems out of his own checkbook. Tell me a different way of
> doing it I I will beat a path to your door
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: canopy frame |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 09:51 PM 12/9/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
>
> I am stuck; the frame for my canopy does not
>fit well with one side of the fuselage.
I had to cut and re-weld mine to make it fit. It was about 3/8 inch too
wide. Trying to mash it in makes it go up and it is already too high.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: opinions on the list/tire installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hollo Glenn,
It's just another day on the list.
After six years of monitoring this list I have just this to say:
It's just another day on the list. (:-)!
Good flights, Greased landings,
Jim
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "glenn williams" <willig10@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: opinions on the list/tire installation
> --> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
>
> Guys: my previous post about assembling wheels and
> tires I hope I have clarified the matter with a
> previous post saying the wheels are in new never been
> used condition. That said, what I relayed to the
> poster asking the question is what in my experience
> works best for me. I have been in general aviation for
> a few days (LOL) if you have been taught differently
> and it works for you so be it. I would even go so far
> as to say to a poster is read the manual your question
> will be answered in there, or call Vans. We are all
> going to have different ways of doing things but it
> appears even so we all are striving to reach the same
> goal here. If memory serves, that is to have an
> airworthy airplane to fly. Am I correct? Now the last
> time I checked, this "list" was to help each other. I
> would hope that if someone had an idea that he or she
> post it so we can all decide in our "own" way if it is
> a safe way of doing things. What I am saying here is
> there are more than two ways to skin a cat, and get
> the same results. awaiting your replies to this post
> with baited breath. I am sure some of you will find
> some way of crticizing this too.
>
> Glenn Williams
> A&P Fort Worth
>
> by the way
>
> do not archive
>
>
> =====
> Glenn Williams
> 8A
> A&P
> N81GW
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: References please -- WAS:Alternative Engine |
Questions
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 05:32 PM 12/1/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
>
> The normal aircraft engine is about 1/2 HP per cubic inch.....
>Automotive engines are not designed to put out high HP for long periods of
>time as are aircraft engines.
Where do you get this information, Dave? Is 1/2 HP per cubic inch
considered "high .."? My Lyc O360 has **NEVER** put out 1/2 HP per cubic
inch since I have never been lower than about 500 MSL. I have flown at sea
level and even below but then not at WOT. Most of the hours on my plane
are at %50 or less.
Can you point me to a document written or at least authorized by the
designer that says "Automotive engines are not designed to put out high HP
for long periods of time"?
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| Subject: | Engine installation]CORRECTION |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Rick Galati,
I must correct one error I made in my response to your inquiry about
engine installation. The wrench size for the 4 nuts is not 7/16" but is
5/8".
The nuts holding the vacuum pump to the engine are 7/16".
Richard Dudley
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| Subject: | Fights, Flames, & Apologies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
JT,
If I picked a fight, that was not my intention; though I see you believe
I am ignorant (yes I know the true definition, but just like "oral
intercourse" everyone gets a totally different visual when you say it, even
if you "didn't mean it that way"). I believe I have alot more experience
with the insurance industry than you think. I have been an administrator for
years and have dealt with small and large insurance folks. I even have to
deal with a large "Municipality pool" that shares risks, limits liabilities,
pays claims, etc... I am sure insurance companies dislike such "pools",
however cities & states are forced to form them due to current & past
insurance industry practices.
If you can tell me, with a straight face, that $350,000 is a just
settlement for 2 people, their small plane, and other property, out of the
kindness of their hearts by an insurance industry.... well then I will just
have to accept your beliefs (and perhaps you should accept mind).
I do apologies for hurting your personal feelings, and I apologies to
the patrons of our list for imposing our duel of values. I know neither of
us will likely change our opinions, views, and certainly not values.
Chuck
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: References please -- WAS:Alternative EngineQuestions |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris <chrisw3@cox.net>
kempthornes wrote:
> Can you point me to a document written or at least authorized by the
> designer that says "Automotive engines are not designed to put out high HP
> for long periods of time"?
I don't know about how they are actually designed but while going 80 mph down
the highway my vehicle is using a very small percentage of the 160 HP it is
supposed to put out. And since most of the time your car is in this power
range it would make sense that they are designed for that. Most people don't
use anywhere near max. horse power even when they are accelerating to highway
speeds. I'm not most those people though :)
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206 (home)
chrisw@programmer.net
N35? 20.492'
W97? 34.342'
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| Subject: | Re: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Ho Hum, enough already!
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
>
> Problem is that for years the companies have actually charged less than
what
> they pay out in claims, and that was o.k. with them. They got there $ up
> front, and were making their profit in the stock market. Now that there
is
> no profit to be had there, they have been forced to make an underwriting
> profit (charge more in premiums than they pay out in claims.)
>
> By the way, I did take it personally (your 1st email) and that may have
been
> my fault. (so really you did pick this fight.) :-) But if I was on some
> cop chat room and posted that all cops are bad (which they aren't) just
> because I had a bad experience with one, I think you would take offense.
>
> And again, it appears that you are generalizing your experience as bad
> because you are ignorant (means you don't know or understand... not how
> intended how it sounds) of how insurance works. And by the way all types
of
> insurance is the same, they evaluate you as a risk based on your accident
> history whether they paid out the claim or some other company did. The
> problem that you keep referring to is that the aviation insurance industry
> has only 8 players in it. They will not compete with each other on a risk
> that another company is still willing to write for a couple of years after
a
> significant claim has been paid.
>
> You keep calling this collusion. Even if you went to a different company,
> they still would be surcharging you for the claim. If your agent has done
> his job well, you should be with the best price and value for your risk
that
> exists. So why not pay them back a little? Why are you in such an all
> fired hurry to rush away from that company which did it's duty under the
> insurance contract and paid your claim?
>
> So, your argument is flawed. You are trying to say that people who have
> made claims should not pay more (even for 3 years) than those with a clean
> record. If this were true, then YOU would be artificially raising
everyone
> elses premiums (even those with clean records.) Do you understand?
>
> Yes, I hope to write policies for RV owners. We created a program for
them
> and administer it for Van. It has preferential rates. We have a very
> profitable business selling aircraft policies to all types of light
aircraft
> owners. You being a public servant, you may not understand that many of
us
> out there don't survive on tax money. We must make/sell/service things
for
> $ to survive.
>
> I don't think anyone can accuse me of abusing my presence here on this
list.
> I have never directly solicited business on this site. I think that part
of
> my service to my customers (and even those who aren't) to be present here
> and educate them about insurance if they have misconceptions (you) or
> questions.
>
> JT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> To: "RV-List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Fw: Fw: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Yes I realize the NEED is there... I just dislike the corrupt folks who
> profit obscenely from the misery of folks they force to pay excessive
rates
> for something this necessary.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Smcm75@aol.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >
> > > Leave it to the Insurance Industry to lead the heroic charge to recede
> from
> > > any/all liability/responsibility.
> >
> > You guys need to realize that without insurance there would be no
> commerce. I
> > hate paying for insurance like everyone else, but without it there would
> be
> > no mortgages available for houses, no financing for any commercial
> > properties, no investments into corporate America. I was an aviation
> > insurance broker for 27 years and I can state from experience that you
> cannot
> > ever accuse the insurance industry of being smart, but without them
there
> > would be no Aviation. Someone has to provide the financial security
> necessary
> > for business to operate.
> >
> > Someone should think what it would be like if everyone had to pay for
his
> own
> > mistakes and problems out of his own checkbook. Tell me a different way
of
> > doing it I I will beat a path to your door
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: References please -- WAS:Alternative Engine Questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
> >
> >Automotive engines are not designed to put out high HP for long periods of
> >time as are aircraft engines.
Even if that were true (which it isn't; refer to
http://www.vansairforce.org/articles/EP/eng_auto_endurance.shtml), what matters
is what the engine CAN do, regardless of the design intent. This is where
Van's famous auto-engine-designer-banging-head-on-desk argument falls down.
Automotive engines have been successfully used in airplanes, boats, water
pumps, stationary generators, and many, many other uses, as have airplane
engines. The suggestion that an engine can't work well in one application only
because it was originally designed for another is nonsense, and is successfully
ignored daily.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
-6 wings
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| Subject: | Re: References please -- WAS:Alternative Engine Questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <albert.gardner@worldnet.att.net>
I always thought the difference between auto engines and aircraft engines
was mainly that if you car is unreliable, you may have to walk home but if
your aircraft engine is unreliable you get to ride in the hearse.
Albert Gardner, Yuma, AZ
RV-9A: N872RV
Working on windscreen
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| Subject: | Re: How do you put a tire and tube together. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
Use baby powder!
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: How do you put a tire and tube together.
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: cecilth@juno.com
> >
> > How do you put a tire and tube together?
> >
> > I mean without pinching the tube. I've tried, carefully, tongue in
cheek,
> > soft cajoling words and polite curse words so far.
> > So I figure some of you thousands of guys, or girls have done this a few
> > times. Have any of you figured out an easy way that works every time?
> > Cecil Hatfield
>
> Shoot! I don't have the answer. It's always a struggle for me. After
you
> do get the tube kinda in position it probably pays to put a bit of air in
it
> to give it shape so it won't get pinched when you bolt the rims together.
>
> Larry Pardue
> Carlsbad, NM
>
> RV-6 N441LP Flying
> http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Opinions on The List |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob Moore <WP2J@swbell.net>
Hey, guys. If I respond to a request for information and offer what some
might consider to be junk opinions, will you please inform me of the error of
my ways? The best thing about this list (and I did send in my contribution)
is the almost instantaneous rebuttal or confirmation of opinions. Sometimes I
feel isolated out in the garage but I only have to walk to my computer to
access the collective knowledge of the list. Don't ignore the people who
offer junk opinions. Other people may not know enough to know who to ignore.
Myself included, of course.
Bob Moore
RV-7 empennage (still)
Austin, Texas
KostaLewis wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "KostaLewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
>
> >This thread is like so many.
>
> >It seems like a majority of the time such contradictory opinions are
> >expressed in reply to a request for help.
>
> >Makes me wonder sometimes how much help the list really is? Maybe we
> >should just do what we think.
>
> Hmmmmm. Well, this is sort of like picking pinto beans. You get a bunch
> of beans, you get a bunch of rocks and dirt clods. You go through the
> beans and pick out the junk, throw it away, then cook the beans.
> Otherwise, you end up eating a bunch of rocks and dirt.
>
> Or you can not eat pinto beans at all (unsubscribe from The List)
> because it's too much hassle to pick through (delete) the beans
> (opinions) to find the rocks and dirt (junk opinions). What a gas.
>
> I personally have never wondered about the value of The List, even after
> flying for now over 5 years. I delete a BUNCH of things I don't need to
> read, but still contribute every year and subscribe. It is like working
> on your car under a tree. You are going to get at least three people
> that come up and tell you how to do whatever it is you are doing. The
> great thing about The List is those that have what we consider junk
> opinions don't know we are ignoring them. This is an excellent service,
> something I wish I had when I was building. Back when you had to mine
> your own bauxite.
>
> Michael
> RV-4 N232 Suzie Q
> With many junk opinions of my own
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | sliders & tip-up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Hey Guys,
I'm still trying to decide which airplane to build. I see a lot of discussion about
the difficulty of preparing the sliders and tip-ups. Does anyone sell a pre-made
lid for these things? Why are the ones in Van's kits so difficult to build?
Would a well made lid from one RV6 fit another RV6 or is there a high degree
of variability from one plane to another?
Finally, is one style (slider vs tip-up) safer than the other?
Sorry if I'm asking stupid questions. I'm learning as quickly as I can! Thanks
for your input.
Doc
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| Subject: | Re: References please -- WAS:Alternative EngineQuestions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Chris,
In the area that I call home there are some quite noticeable hills. Level
ground is not what you would call common place.
I commonly Climb hills that force my 89 Mazda pickup to remain in third gear
(of five) and try to maintain 90 KPH. that's about 55 MPH. for very near 25
minutes roll down the other side only to climb and climb again. Everywhere I
go it's the same climb and coast routine.
After about about 12 years of 7 Hr round trips a several times a year for
12 + years ones perception of what loading aoutomotive engine designs can
handle changes.
I chose to rebuild the engine last summer at approximately 15000 miles
245000 KM. The reason for the rebuild was a failed camshaft. The short block
was in surprisingly good condition. the crank and bearings still specked out
to within manufactures tolerances. The and pistons cylinders showed well and
I was told that a re-bore and new pistons where not necessarily required.
Had it not been for a faulty hydraulic lifter design that originated at the
point of manufacture the engine would still be pulling me up hill and dale
untouched.
With the revised lifter design and a re-ground cam (tweaked a bit) a
polished crankshaft and new pistons etc.I'm on the road and doing the hills
3 to 5 MPH faster and shifting a bit less often.
I would trust this engine design in it's present use, in a boat or in an
aircraft for that matter assuming of course that the conversion engineering
had been done well.
If you stop and think about the Automotive engines, converted / marine
designs, that commonly cruise long term at throttle positions and loading
that are quite similar to flying conditions. One might feel a bit better
toward the loading and endurance capability and potential of the basic
alternative designs such as have been in discussion of late on this list.
It is evident to most people that see aircraft engines torn down that the
internal workings are comparatively robust and apparently of very high
quality in the choice of materials and manufacturing proccesses.
The reason for this has much to do with the size of the components. The
reciprocating mass of the various parts requires it.
Don't let the smaller sizes and lower prices of the automobile engine parts
deceive you as to their potential for durability and overall reliability.
There is a plethora of (over the counter) stock parts and aftermarket, that
have stood and will stand proudly beside aircraft parts for recognition as
state of the art in design and suitability of application.
Pedal to the metal,
Jim (balls to the wall and climbing) Jewell
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <chrisw3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: References please -- WAS:Alternative EngineQuestions
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris <chrisw3@cox.net>
>
> kempthornes wrote:
>
> > Can you point me to a document written or at least authorized by the
> > designer that says "Automotive engines are not designed to put out high
HP
> > for long periods of time"?
>
> I don't know about how they are actually designed but while going 80 mph
down
> the highway my vehicle is using a very small percentage of the 160 HP it
is
> supposed to put out. And since most of the time your car is in this power
> range it would make sense that they are designed for that. Most people
don't
> use anywhere near max. horse power even when they are accelerating to
highway
> speeds. I'm not most those people though :)
>
>
> --
> Chris Woodhouse
> 3147 SW 127th St.
> Oklahoma City, OK 73170
> 405-691-5206 (home)
> chrisw@programmer.net
> N35? 20.492'
> W97? 34.342'
>
>
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| Subject: | sliders & tip-up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
Doc asked: Does anyone sell a pre-made lid for these things?
No
Doc asked: Why are the ones in Van's kits so difficult to build?
Because by the time you get to that point, all the little errors have
made each one a custom fit.
Doc asked: Would a well made lid from one RV6 fit another RV6 or is
there a high degree of variability from one plane to another?
See previous answer.
Doc asked: Finally, is one style (slider vs tip-up) safer than the
other?
Ahhh, let the arguments begin. (hehehe) Personally, I'd say it's a
toss-up.
Doc said: Sorry if I'm asking stupid questions. I'm learning as quickly
as I can! Thanks for your input.
No problem. Asking questions is what it's all about (and you thought it
was just sweaty exercise...building an airplane, you gutterminds!
<grin>)
Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - Fuselage on hold for holiday cleaning and
guests...
Archive (or not, for all I care)...
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| Subject: | Re: sliders & tip-up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <albert.gardner@worldnet.att.net>
I built a slider and while I don't think it was all that difficult, it
wasn't easy either. Making the canopy fit like I wanted was time consuming
but I finally got there and moved on. Now, making the paint look good is
difficult!
Albert Gardner, Yuma, AZ
RV-9A: N872RV
Working on windscreen
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| Subject: | Re: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
RABAU:
I learned many years ago, not to discuss the same
subject you are discussing now...people do not understand
how an Insurance company works, they make foolish
statements like yours...no idea...
I have been in the Insurance business for 40 years
and I know what I am talking about..
I have talked to Doctors even lawyers, and people
from all walks of life. They just want to believe
what they want, not the real world, and facts.
Just one quick question,,Is there a company
which does not operate to make profit per se...
that is, no listed on the exchange? how about that...
Bert
rv6a]
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| Subject: | While you guys were complaining about Insurance companies.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
While you guys spent your time today complaining about Insurance
companies....
I went for a ride in an F16!!!! Wow, What a machine!!!!!!!
The good news is, it just further confirmed what I already knew, the RVs fly
like fighters.
The bad news is, the grin I've got makes an RV-grin look pretty lame.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
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| Subject: | Re: sliders & tip-up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Doc.,
A slider can be modified to tip up as well.
There you go, the Best of both worlds.
Don't try to squirm out of doing your own canopy! (;-) !!
Go ahead, buy a kit, be humbled like the rest of us that have got the damn
thing done! :)!
I suspect that each builder gets close to but not identical results. I doubt
that the canopies would interchange from one to another airframe.
The newer kits might be getting better similarity wise.
Go ahead ask stupid questions. The worst that can happen will be a bunch of
stupid answers.
When you begin to see them as stupid answers you will have become either
wiser or very opinionated like the rest of us.
Would someone supply the url for the slider / tip up conversion?
Buy for now,
Jim in Kelowna
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Subject: RV-List: sliders & tip-up
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers"
<DrLeathers@822heal.com>
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> I'm still trying to decide which airplane to build. I see a lot of
discussion about the difficulty of preparing the sliders and tip-ups. Does
anyone sell a pre-made lid for these things? Why are the ones in Van's kits
so difficult to build? Would a well made lid from one RV6 fit another RV6 or
is there a high degree of variability from one plane to another?
>
> Finally, is one style (slider vs tip-up) safer than the other?
>
> Sorry if I'm asking stupid questions. I'm learning as quickly as I can!
Thanks for your input.
>
> Doc
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Thanks Bert, you insurance salesman have shown me the light!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bert Forero <bert6@mybluelight.com>
Subject: Re:Fw: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
>
> RABAU:
>
> I learned many years ago, not to discuss the same
> subject you are discussing now...people do not understand
> how an Insurance company works, they make foolish
> statements like yours...no idea...
>
> I have been in the Insurance business for 40 years
> and I know what I am talking about..
>
> I have talked to Doctors even lawyers, and people
> from all walks of life. They just want to believe
> what they want, not the real world, and facts.
>
> Just one quick question,,Is there a company
> which does not operate to make profit per se...
> that is, no listed on the exchange? how about that...
>
> Bert
>
> rv6a]
> Do Not Archive
>
> Sign up for Internet Service under $10 dollars a month, at
http://isp.BlueLight.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Remove Me From List |
--> RV-List message posted by: Natedanna@aol.com
Please remove me from the list and stop future e mails.
It has been most informative and I thank you very much
Nate D'Anna
natedanna@aol.com
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| Subject: | While you guys were complaining about Insurance companies.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Doug you lucky dog. If you get my butt in one... I SWEAR I'LL NEVER
COMPLAIN ABOUT ANYTHING AGAIN!!!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Rozendaal <dougr@petroblend.com>
Subject: RV-List: While you guys were complaining about Insurance
companies....
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
> While you guys spent your time today complaining about Insurance
> companies....
>
> I went for a ride in an F16!!!! Wow, What a machine!!!!!!!
>
> The good news is, it just further confirmed what I already knew, the RVs
fly
> like fighters.
>
> The bad news is, the grin I've got makes an RV-grin look pretty lame.
>
> Tailwinds,
> Doug Rozendaal
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: sliders & tip-up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twsurveyor@msn.com>
Doc, Your question is a good one for which there doesn't seem to be a
definitive answer. I think Van gets a smile on his face every time he ships
out a finish kit. It's almost like he considers building the canopy a "right
of passage" for builders of his planes. I suffered through building a
tip-up. It was very time consuming but doable. In the end my canopy turned
out a lot better than I ever thought it would. The main problem I had (and
the slider group has as well) was that the frame parts didn't fit the
contours of the fuselage or the plastic bubble very well "right out of the
box". I had to cut, bend, modify and generally "worry" the canopy frame
parts into submission before I ever started installing the plastic part of
the canopy. The archives is full of problems builders have encountered with
both the tip-up and slider canopies. Personally I think, with all the modern
computerized wizardry Van now has at his disposal, he could do a better job
making the canopies more "user friendly" in the factory before shipping them
out. Anyhow, my canopy is finished and I have earned my "right of passage".
So shall you my friend. "Just do it"!
Tommy Walker
6A Finishing
Ridgetop, TN
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Subject: RV-List: sliders & tip-up
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers"
<DrLeathers@822heal.com>
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> Why are the ones in Van's kits so difficult to build?
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy crack :-( |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chris Good" <chrisjgood@lycos.com>
Jeff,
Thanks to you & the other listers who responded with crack repair advice. My pint
of Weld-on 3 should be delivered tomorrow. By the way, I always get great
service from Aircraft Spruce. Website order placed Monday night, UPS ground
delivery in Wisconsin from the Georgia warehouse on Thursday. I also ordered
a Micro Mesh kit & some plexi polish. I'll let you know how the repair goes.
Regards,
Chris Good
Do not archive.
--
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:19:00
Jeff Point wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>
>Chris,
>
>I have a nearly identical crack in mine near the forward end of the
>skirt (on a tip up though) which happened while drilling. I stop
>drilled it, used Weldon 3 injected with a medical syringe (it is watery
>thin) and let it cure. Then I filled the stop-drill hole with epoxy,
>let that cure, and sanded it flush, then used Micro Mesh to fix the
>plexi. Turned out, well, not perfect, but not too bad, and better than
>a new canopy. A better solution (which I considered but abandoned) may
>have been to find or make a plug of plexi for the hole and glue it in
>with Weldon, then sand it flush.
>
>I played around quite a bit with the Weldon and scrap plexi. Based on
>my very un-scientific testing, it seems that the joint is about 50-75%
>as strong as unbroken plexi, judging by the force required to re-break
>the fused piece. Pretty amazing stuff. Never did try disolving plexi
>shavings though. Certainly I have plenty of them after cutting and
>drilling the canopy. I have 99.5% of the one quart can left, and you're
>welcome to it if you don't feel like waiting for AC$.
>
>Jeff Point
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| Subject: | Re: Opinions on The List |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Hoffman" <choffman9@cinci.rr.com>
Nice analogy. Or maybe all the opinions are like candy in a candy shop. Some
you like better than others, but they're all at least ok. And it's fun to
taste them all before you buy a big bag to take home and enjoy.
I know when I built my tanks, and when I made my decision on priming, I ate
a lot of candy before I bought the bag. And I think I ultimately ended up
making my own candy out of a bunch of different types.
I love the list and it's variety of opinions. And I too had built a part of
a -6 back in the late 80's and early 90's when the closest thing I had to a
support group was the guy up in New York an hour away building a -4. What a
difference.
By the way, as of last night I now have an opinion on riveting the leading
Curt Hoffman
RV-9A wings
1968 Mustang 302 convertible
Piper Cherokee N5320W
----- Original Message -----
From: "KostaLewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
Subject: RV-List: Opinions on The List
> --> RV-List message posted by: "KostaLewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
>
>
> >This thread is like so many.
>
> >It seems like a majority of the time such contradictory opinions are
> >expressed in reply to a request for help.
>
> >Makes me wonder sometimes how much help the list really is? Maybe we
> >should just do what we think.
>
> Hmmmmm. Well, this is sort of like picking pinto beans. You get a bunch
> of beans, you get a bunch of rocks and dirt clods. You go through the
> beans and pick out the junk, throw it away, then cook the beans.
> Otherwise, you end up eating a bunch of rocks and dirt.
>
> Or you can not eat pinto beans at all (unsubscribe from The List)
> because it's too much hassle to pick through (delete) the beans
> (opinions) to find the rocks and dirt (junk opinions). What a gas.
>
> I personally have never wondered about the value of The List, even after
> flying for now over 5 years. I delete a BUNCH of things I don't need to
> read, but still contribute every year and subscribe. It is like working
> on your car under a tree. You are going to get at least three people
> that come up and tell you how to do whatever it is you are doing. The
> great thing about The List is those that have what we consider junk
> opinions don't know we are ignoring them. This is an excellent service,
> something I wish I had when I was building. Back when you had to mine
> your own bauxite.
>
> Michael
> RV-4 N232 Suzie Q
> With many junk opinions of my own
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: While you guys were complaining about Insurance |
companies....
--> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
Doug Rozendaal wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
> While you guys spent your time today complaining about Insurance
> companies....
>
> I went for a ride in an F16!!!! Wow, What a machine!!!!!!!
Yeah, but was it insured?
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
After a great day, flying in the F-16, my email included some bad news. Ed
Jungst built an RV-6 and an RV-8 and was a member of this list at different
times. He was a great guy and just like me, he went for a ride in a cool
airplane. His ride did not go so well.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
Minneapolis Star-Tribune
Published Dec. 11, 2002 MNPlaneCrash
GLENWOOD, Minn. - State and federal investigators were trying Wednesday to
determine why a single-engine plane crashed, killing two men near Glenwood
in west-central Minnesota.
The Pope County sheriff's office identified them as Eberhard Engel, 59, of
Alexandria, and Edwin Jungst, 70, of Glenwood. They were dead at the scene,
and their bodies were sent to the Hennepin County medical examiner for
autopsies.
It wasn't immediately clear which man was at the controls when the T-28
crashed in a pasture and plowed field around 1 p.m. Tuesday.
The T-28 is high-powered Korean War-era trainer converted to civilian use. A
witness reported the crash. The plane had taken off from the Glenwood
airport around 12:50 p.m., Sheriff Tom Larson said.
The crash site is north of the Glenwood Airport, near Lake Amelia, about
seven miles from Glenwood.
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| Subject: | Re: Airfoil Diagram & Van's Fuel Valve |
--> RV-List message posted by: GRGSCHMIDT@aol.com
Best advice for that fuel valve from Van's is to throw it directly into the
nearest trash can and buy something airworthy.
Do not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: sliders & tip-up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Taylor" <david@hom.net>
The tip up/slider conversion can be found at:
http://www.aircraftextras.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: sliders & tip-up
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>
> Hi Doc.,
>
> A slider can be modified to tip up as well.
> There you go, the Best of both worlds.
> Don't try to squirm out of doing your own canopy! (;-) !!
> Go ahead, buy a kit, be humbled like the rest of us that have got the damn
> thing done! :)!
>
> I suspect that each builder gets close to but not identical results. I
doubt
> that the canopies would interchange from one to another airframe.
>
> The newer kits might be getting better similarity wise.
>
> Go ahead ask stupid questions. The worst that can happen will be a bunch
of
> stupid answers.
> When you begin to see them as stupid answers you will have become either
> wiser or very opinionated like the rest of us.
>
> Would someone supply the url for the slider / tip up conversion?
>
> Buy for now,
>
> Jim in Kelowna
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: sliders & tip-up
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers"
> <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
> >
> > Hey Guys,
> >
> > I'm still trying to decide which airplane to build. I see a lot of
> discussion about the difficulty of preparing the sliders and tip-ups. Does
> anyone sell a pre-made lid for these things? Why are the ones in Van's
kits
> so difficult to build? Would a well made lid from one RV6 fit another RV6
or
> is there a high degree of variability from one plane to another?
> >
> > Finally, is one style (slider vs tip-up) safer than the other?
> >
> > Sorry if I'm asking stupid questions. I'm learning as quickly as I can!
> Thanks for your input.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | I took the plunge |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Taylor" <david@hom.net>
Well,
After 2 years of research I finally ordered my tail kit (RV-7) yesterday along
with the 21 years of the RVator and a 2003 subscription to the RVator. I'm looking
forward to getting started but you can bet I'll need lots of help.
-David Taylor (N207DT reserved)
empennage on order (finally)
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| Subject: | Re: While you guys were complaining about Insurance |
companies....
--> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
Dear Doug:
I apologize for what turns out to be bad timing in responding to your first
message with a lighthearted comment on the insurance thing.
I posted that to the list before your post on the loss of your friend.
I'm very sorry for your loss.
Robert
Do Not Archive
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal"
>
> After a great day, flying in the F-16, my email included some bad news. Ed
> Jungst built an RV-6 and an RV-8 and was a member of this list at different
> times. He was a great guy and just like me, he went for a ride in a cool
> airplane. His ride did not go so well.
>
> Tailwinds,
> Doug Rozendaal
>
> Minneapolis Star-Tribune
>
> Published Dec. 11, 2002 MNPlaneCrash
>
> GLENWOOD, Minn. - State and federal investigators were trying Wednesday to
> determine why a single-engine plane crashed, killing two men near Glenwood
> in west-central Minnesota.
>
> The Pope County sheriff's office identified them as Eberhard Engel, 59, of
> Alexandria, and Edwin Jungst, 70, of Glenwood. They were dead at the scene,
> and their bodies were sent to the Hennepin County medical examiner for
> autopsies.
>
> It wasn't immediately clear which man was at the controls when the T-28
> crashed in a pasture and plowed field around 1 p.m. Tuesday.
>
> The T-28 is high-powered Korean War-era trainer converted to civilian use.
A
> witness reported the crash. The plane had taken off from the Glenwood
> airport around 12:50 p.m., Sheriff Tom Larson said.
>
> The crash site is north of the Glenwood Airport, near Lake Amelia, about
> seven miles from Glenwood.
>
>
Miller Robert wrote:
> Doug Rozendaal wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
> >
> > While you guys spent your time today complaining about Insurance
> > companies....
> >
> > I went for a ride in an F16!!!! Wow, What a machine!!!!!!!
>
> Yeah, but was it insured?
>
> Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: sliders & tip-up |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers"
>
>Hey Guys,
>
>snipped stuff....
>
>Finally, is one style (slider vs tip-up) safer than the other?
>
>Sorry if I'm asking stupid questions. I'm learning as quickly as I
>can! Thanks for your input.
>
>Doc
>
Doc,
No stupid questions. This has been covered in the archives quite a
bit (you DO know about the archives....RIGHT?)
Anyway, I have my own opinion which I think is safer, but you might
read these two stories and make up your own mind.
The tip up story at Sam's great RV Journal site:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/bird.html
The slider story at Dougs great Vansairforce.net site:
http://www.metronet.com/~dreeves/articles/howtoruinyourwindshield.htm
BTW, the pictures link at the bottom of the story is obsolete. New one is:
http://members3.clubphoto.com/socal230330/429051/guest.phtml
Which canopy looked like it stood up to the impact better????
Laird (callsign "Lucky")
RV-6 SoCal
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| Subject: | Re: sliders & tip-up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Thanks Tommy!
Indeed, I shall "just do it"! I appreciate your thoughtful input!
Doc
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tommy Walker" <twsurveyor@msn.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: sliders & tip-up
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twsurveyor@msn.com>
>
> Doc, Your question is a good one for which there doesn't seem to be a
> definitive answer. I think Van gets a smile on his face every time he
ships
> out a finish kit. It's almost like he considers building the canopy a
"right
> of passage" for builders of his planes. I suffered through building a
> tip-up. It was very time consuming but doable. In the end my canopy turned
> out a lot better than I ever thought it would. The main problem I had (and
> the slider group has as well) was that the frame parts didn't fit the
> contours of the fuselage or the plastic bubble very well "right out of the
> box". I had to cut, bend, modify and generally "worry" the canopy frame
> parts into submission before I ever started installing the plastic part of
> the canopy. The archives is full of problems builders have encountered
with
> both the tip-up and slider canopies. Personally I think, with all the
modern
> computerized wizardry Van now has at his disposal, he could do a better
job
> making the canopies more "user friendly" in the factory before shipping
them
> out. Anyhow, my canopy is finished and I have earned my "right of
passage".
> So shall you my friend. "Just do it"!
>
> Tommy Walker
> 6A Finishing
> Ridgetop, TN
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: sliders & tip-up
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers"
> <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
> >
> > Hey Guys,
> >
> > Why are the ones in Van's kits so difficult to build?
>
>
> > Do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | sliders & tip-up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twsurveyor@msn.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tommy Walker" <twsurveyor@msn.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: sliders & tip-up
> Doc, Your question is a good one for which there doesn't seem to be a
> definitive answer. I think Van gets a smile on his face every time he
ships
> out a finish kit. It's almost like he considers building the canopy a
"right
> of passage" for builders of his planes. I suffered through building a
> tip-up. It was very time consuming but doable. In the end my canopy turned
> out a lot better than I ever thought it would. The main problem I had (and
> the slider group has as well) was that the frame parts didn't fit the
> contours of the fuselage or the plastic bubble very well "right out of the
> box". I had to cut, bend, modify and generally "worry" the canopy frame
> parts into submission before I ever started installing the plastic part of
> the canopy. The archives is full of problems builders have encountered
with
> both the tip-up and slider canopies. Personally I think, with all the
modern
> computerized wizardry Van now has at his disposal, he could do a better
job
> making the canopies more "user friendly" in the factory before shipping
them
> out. Anyhow, my canopy is finished and I have earned my "right of
passage".
> So shall you my friend. "Just do it"!
>
> Tommy Walker
> 6A Finishing
> Ridgetop, TN
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 5:42 PM
> Subject: RV-List: sliders & tip-up
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers"
> <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
> >
> > Hey Guys,
> >
> > Why are the ones in Van's kits so difficult to build?
>
>
> > Do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: References please -- WAS:Alternative EngineQuestions |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
The O-360 is designed to to put out 180 hp (which is half of 360) FULL TIME.
Whether you choose to run it that way or not, it is designed for that and is
capable of doing it FULL TIME.
In order to get 100% of available power out of your car engine you will have to
turn it at redline rpm at wide open throttle (like pulling a heavy trailer up a
hill ). I don't know what kind of cars you drive but I've never had one that
I'd trust to do that full time.
No, 1/2 hp per ci is not high, if fact it's pretty low especially by automotive
standards. Ratings closer to 1 hp per ci are closer to the norm. But, that
makes the point. The aircraft engine is very underrated. You could probably
make a few changes to the O-360, turn it at twice the rpm and get 360 hp out of
it. By the same token, a Continental O-200 can be made to put out 200 hp -
quite common at Reno, but it won't last very long.
The bottom line is that aircraft engine ratings are very conservative and the
result is that they are very reliable.
This IS experimental aviation and I think it's great that people are working
with auto engines - maybe someday they'll be viable aircraft engines, but for
now don't put one on your airplane and expect the reliability of a Lyc. but, DO
have fun EXPERIMENTING! :-)
Dave, Tech Counselor/Flight Advisor, RV6, O-360
kempthornes wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
>
> At 05:32 PM 12/1/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
> >
> > The normal aircraft engine is about 1/2 HP per cubic inch.....
> >Automotive engines are not designed to put out high HP for long periods of
> >time as are aircraft engines.
>
> Where do you get this information, Dave? Is 1/2 HP per cubic inch
> considered "high .."? My Lyc O360 has **NEVER** put out 1/2 HP per cubic
> inch since I have never been lower than about 500 MSL. I have flown at sea
> level and even below but then not at WOT. Most of the hours on my plane
> are at %50 or less.
>
> Can you point me to a document written or at least authorized by the
> designer that says "Automotive engines are not designed to put out high HP
> for long periods of time"?
>
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| Subject: | Re: While you guys were complaining about Insurance companies.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
Doug,
I hate you even more now. :-)
How did you rate a ride in the F-16?
If you ever get to Apple Valley, CA., you can't have a ride in my
underpowered unpainted rocket
I won't want to get that grin off your face.
9G's sure pulls your socks down. Did you stay awake?
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
HR-II #78 to fly
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
Subject: RV-List: While you guys were complaining about Insurance
companies....
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
> While you guys spent your time today complaining about Insurance
> companies....
>
> I went for a ride in an F16!!!! Wow, What a machine!!!!!!!
>
> The good news is, it just further confirmed what I already knew, the RVs
fly
> like fighters.
>
> The bad news is, the grin I've got makes an RV-grin look pretty lame.
>
> Tailwinds,
> Doug Rozendaal
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I took the plunge |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Welcome Dave. You're gonna love building this airplane, and from what I
understand, love flying it even more!
Do Not Archive
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A
fuselage
Peshtigo, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Taylor" <david@hom.net>
Subject: RV-List: I took the plunge
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Taylor" <david@hom.net>
>
> Well,
> After 2 years of research I finally ordered my tail kit (RV-7) yesterday
along with the 21 years of the RVator and a 2003 subscription to the RVator.
I'm looking forward to getting started but you can bet I'll need lots of
help.
>
> -David Taylor (N207DT reserved)
> empennage on order (finally)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: References please -- WAS:Alternative Engine Questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Tedd McHenry wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
>
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
> > >
> > >Automotive engines are not designed to put out high HP for long periods of
> > >time as are aircraft engines.
>
> Even if that were true (which it isn't; refer to
> http://www.vansairforce.org/articles/EP/eng_auto_endurance.shtml),
Well Ted, all that article tells me is that Chrysler did a good job of testing
1
special engine. It says nothing about testing the rest of the line, and I doubt
that most folks are going to use a V10 in their RV anyway. That engine is a very
special engine developed for a very expensive car, not like the lower end V6's
that
are being used in airplanes.
Show us how Chevy and Ford test the V6's that are being used in airplanes and show
us also that they can be run at REDLINE & WOT, reliably, on a continuous basis
and
you might get more converts.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: sliders & tip-up |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Laird Owens wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers"
> >
> >Hey Guys,
> >
> >snipped stuff....
> >
> >Finally, is one style (slider vs tip-up) safer than the other?
> >
> >Sorry if I'm asking stupid questions. I'm learning as quickly as I
> >can! Thanks for your input.
> >
> >Doc
> >
>
> Doc,
>
> No stupid questions. This has been covered in the archives quite a
> bit (you DO know about the archives....RIGHT?)
>
> Anyway, I have my own opinion which I think is safer, but you might
> read these two stories and make up your own mind.
>
> The tip up story at Sam's great RV Journal site:
>
> http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/bird.html
>
> The slider story at Dougs great Vansairforce.net site:
>
> http://www.metronet.com/~dreeves/articles/howtoruinyourwindshield.htm
>
> BTW, the pictures link at the bottom of the story is obsolete. New one is:
>
> http://members3.clubphoto.com/socal230330/429051/guest.phtml
>
> Which canopy looked like it stood up to the impact better????
>
> Laird (callsign "Lucky")
> RV-6 SoCal
The links Lucky Laird (aka Birdman) referenced are indeed sobering to
those of us who like to occassionally make a low pass down the runway.
We had a local RV-4 pilot take a hawk in the upper cowling and the bird
destroyed the cowl...sure am glad it missed the canopy!
Please don't base your decision on which canopy to build purely on the
two bird strike stories. Perri had to kick his way out of the canopy of
his overturned RV-6, so the comparison of damages is not very equitable.
:-)
Sam Buchanan (RV-6)
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| Subject: | Re: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
HOW ABOUT WE SMOKE THE PEACE PIPE ON THIS ISSUE.
I for one have had tons of problems with avaition insurance companies.
1. First, with over 3000 hours of jet time but only 75 hours in
tailwheels, they would not allow me to fly my plane without five hours in
make and model. Guess how many Rockets you can get to fly to dual in????
2. Second, my first years payment of 4488 dollars (US) was increased to
5719 dollars for year two. I thought it was to go down as I gained
ex[erience.
3. I contacted John about a new policy. He was very helpful. Even,
after I found another policy, he still took time to answer my questions and
make some helpful suggestions.
I for one will miss him if he is driven off this list. Whether you like
insurance companies or not, he will give you a straight answer to any
question you have.
Tom Gumo
Apple Valley, CA
HR-II #78 to fly
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: Fw: Re:Fw: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Thanks Bert, you insurance salesman have shown me the light!
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bert Forero <bert6@mybluelight.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re:Fw: RV-List: Terrorism Act and Insurance- Long
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
> >
> > RABAU:
> >
> > I learned many years ago, not to discuss the same
> > subject you are discussing now...people do not understand
> > how an Insurance company works, they make foolish
> > statements like yours...no idea...
> >
> > I have been in the Insurance business for 40 years
> > and I know what I am talking about..
> >
> > I have talked to Doctors even lawyers, and people
> > from all walks of life. They just want to believe
> > what they want, not the real world, and facts.
> >
> > Just one quick question,,Is there a company
> > which does not operate to make profit per se...
> > that is, no listed on the exchange? how about that...
> >
> > Bert
> >
> > rv6a]
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> > Sign up for Internet Service under $10 dollars a month, at
> http://isp.BlueLight.com
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Airfoil Diagram & Van's Fuel Valve |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
GRGSCHMIDT@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: GRGSCHMIDT@aol.com
>
> Best advice for that fuel valve from Van's is to throw it directly into the
> nearest trash can and buy something airworthy.
>
> Do not Archive
>
You mean the one that has worked perfectly for me for the last 14 year?
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: sliders & tip-up |
--> RV-List message posted by: JhnstnIII@aol.com
The slider/tip-up mod is at www.aircraftextras.com.
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| Subject: | Re: References please -- WAS:Alternative EngineQuestions |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> The aircraft engine is very underrated. You could probably
> make a few changes to the O-360, turn it at twice the rpm and get 360 hp out
of
> it.
Not really. The Lycoming wouldn't be able to do 5400 RPM for very long, if at
all. It would take extensive modifications to the valvetrain alone just to
avoid float, if you could even do it.
But you missed the important insight, which is that an auto conversion doesn't
have to run at such high RPM, and the engine WILL put out good power at more
modest RPMs for a very, very long time. If you run an auto engine at the same
manifold pressure and piston speed as a Lycoming, guess what, it will last as
long (possibly longer, since water cooling allows a better piston-to-cylinder
fit and avoids many thermal problems). For a comparison of a 160-HP 4.3 Chevy
and an O-320 see
http://www.vansairforce.org/articles/EP/chevy.html
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
-6 wings
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| Subject: | Re: I Took the Plunge |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
You will need help to get started if you aren't REALLY familiar with aircraft
sheet metal work. Get an experienced aircraft metal person to help you
through the tail feathers - then it's pretty well repetition after that .
I made some mistakes when I started , and built another horizontal stabilizer
. That can get costly -- and disappointing !!
Good Luck , You made a good choice ,
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
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| Subject: | Re: References please -- WAS:Alternative Engine Questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> Well Ted, all that article tells me is that Chrysler did a good job of testing
1
> special engine.
There's nothing specail about the V10, and the Chrysler test was TYPICAL, of
auto industry testing, that's the whole point of the article. In fact, the
test described in the article was an abbreviated test, as the article says.
Tests of some engines are even more extensive.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
-6 wings
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| Subject: | Re: Airfoil Diagram & Van's Fuel Valve |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Bundy" <ebundy@velocitus.net>
My goodness, I didn't realize the fuel valve that's been hauling my airplane
around for over 500 hours isn't airworthy! And there are another 2500 or so
of them flying around that don't realize they aren't airworthy either! We
all had better be careful the next time an RV flies overhead. :-)
Seriously, I assume you prefer something a little fancier (and orders of
magnitude pricier), but don't you think calling the original valve
unairworthy is a bit of an embellishment?
Ed Bundy RV6A 500+ hours
Boise, ID
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> Best advice for that fuel valve from Van's is to throw it directly into
the
> nearest trash can and buy something airworthy.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
Anyway, as I outlined in my
> posting of 12/1, I installed my engine by MYSELF WITHOUT ANY HELP and it was
> easy.
Same here- did mine tonight, no sweat! In typical Tennessee fashion,
used a come-a-long and some rope, piece of cake!
>Getting those first two bolts installed is difficult.
Had a "little" trouble with the second two, but now it's done- woohoooooo!!
From The PossumWorks in TN - on to the tough stuff!!! 8-)
Mark Phillips - do not archive -
>Check the
> posting with the subject titled "Engine mount holes and installing
> it"--------Cheers!! ------- Henry Hore.
>
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| Subject: | RE:Opinions on the List/Tire Installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
Thanks to everybody who will take the time to post solutions to problems :
one can pick from the many opinions and use what fits best for him/her.
Without some answers we all would make the same mistakes over and over .
Those who flame everyone have nothing better to do with their time , so just
ignore them as you ignore the ideas which don't work for you .
Happy Building ,Flying , and Merry Christmas,
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RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
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| Subject: | Re: References please -- WAS:Alternative Engine Questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> us also that they can be run at REDLINE & WOT, reliably, on a continuous basis
and
> you might get more converts.
(a) You don't run them at redline, you run them well below.
(b) I'm not looking for converts, just seeking to dispel myths.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
-6 wings
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| Subject: | Single strobe power |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Duckett <perfeng@3rivers.net>
Like a few other have said, check out Strobes-n-More for a Nova EPS 402
power supply. It's a 40 Watt, 2 head supply.
I'd also recommend you look up Eric Henson's post on using the Nova
strobe products. We have their XPAK 904 powering the wing tip strobes
and the EPS 402 for the tail. We gave in and used the Whelen combo lights.
Jim Duckett, N708JD
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| Subject: | Aero Electric Connection; Still in Business? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark and Sabina Gilbert <msgilbert@attbi.com>
Is the Aero Electric Connection still in business? I ordered the shrink
wrapped electrical guide on November 23rd, and 18 days later it still has
not arrived, even though I received a confirming email the day I placed the
order stating that it would be sent by priority mail. I didn't get a
response to my email to Bob Nuckoll's site inquiring about the order status
either. Any clues out there?
Mark
Sacramento
RV6A, wings
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| Subject: | Re: While you guys were complaining about Insurance companies.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <n8wv@vondane.com>
Hey Doug... YOU SUCK!!! :-)
Kidding aside.....nice going!
-Bill
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
Subject: RV-List: While you guys were complaining about Insurance
companies....
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
While you guys spent your time today complaining about Insurance
companies....
I went for a ride in an F16!!!! Wow, What a machine!!!!!!!
The good news is, it just further confirmed what I already knew, the RVs fly
like fighters.
The bad news is, the grin I've got makes an RV-grin look pretty lame.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Electric Connection; Still in Business? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Mark,
He is still with us.
He sent emails to the list today. He apologized for being out of reach for
two weeks or so. try him again. Also I spoke to him very briefly on the
phone yesterday.
Jim in Kelowna
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark and Sabina Gilbert" <msgilbert@attbi.com>
Subject: RV-List: Aero Electric Connection; Still in Business?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mark and Sabina Gilbert
<msgilbert@attbi.com>
>
> Is the Aero Electric Connection still in business? I ordered the shrink
> wrapped electrical guide on November 23rd, and 18 days later it still has
> not arrived, even though I received a confirming email the day I placed
the
> order stating that it would be sent by priority mail. I didn't get a
> response to my email to Bob Nuckoll's site inquiring about the order
status
> either. Any clues out there?
>
> Mark
> Sacramento
> RV6A, wings
>
>
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| Subject: | Aero Electric Connection; Still in Business? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
I placed an order Sunday, arrived today. Do not archive.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
> and Sabina Gilbert
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:48 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Aero Electric Connection; Still in Business?
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mark and Sabina Gilbert
> --> <msgilbert@attbi.com>
>
> Is the Aero Electric Connection still in business? I ordered
> the shrink
> wrapped electrical guide on November 23rd, and 18 days later
> it still has
> not arrived, even though I received a confirming email the
> day I placed the
> order stating that it would be sent by priority mail. I didn't get a
> response to my email to Bob Nuckoll's site inquiring about
> the order status
> either. Any clues out there?
>
> Mark
> Sacramento
> RV6A, wings
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Duckett <perfeng@3rivers.net>
Dave,
I know I'm echoing what Charlie and Ted have said but, really???
I'm dating myself I know but, I remember many years ago an F1 car call
an Elf was powered by a 1661cc engine (that's roughly 100 cubic inches)
and produced 1780 Horse Power!
Gee, that's just a little over your 1/2 HP per Cubic Inch I think....
Okay...The bottom line is an engine is a fuel eating air pump. It all
depends on what you engineer and build the engine to do. Little engines
can make big power (like the Elf) and big engines can fall flat on the
curve (but pull stumps out below 1800 RPM). It all depends on the
application perameters.
Jim D.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Roy Glass or Mary Poteet <rlglass@alaska.net>
This morning's paper had this obituary for Bryan E. Files, a previous
active participant on the RV list.
Palmer resident and pilot BRYAN EVERETT FILES, 37, died Nov. 13, 2002,
in San Andreas, Calif. A memorial service will be at 2 p.m. Sunday at
the Alaska Aviation Heritage Museum, 4721 Aircraft Drive in Anchorage.
Mr. Files was born June 18, 1965, in San Francisco. He was a 15-year
resident of Alaska and a previous resident of San Andreas. He had worked
as a pilot for Lynden Air Cargo. Mr. Files is survived by his wife,
Susan E. Files, and daughter, Beth Anne Files, both of Alaska... In lieu
of flowers, the family has requested that donations be made to Alaska
Aviation Heritage Museum in Mr. Files' name.
Preliminary NTSB report at:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20021127X05538&key=1
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Joe Kramer" <JRKramer@cox.net>
RV8 empennage and wing kit for sale in Arizona. Cut some building time
down!! Empennage is completed and left wing is 65% complete. Heated
pitot tube. Asking $5000. We can discuss pick-up or delivery options.
Also have tools, all plans, video, and building manual. 623-202-8223
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| Subject: | Re: RV Seat Belts/Harnesses |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
> I'm looking at an upgrade on my -8 seat belts, and drawing a blank on the
> better lines of harnesses available out there. Any suggestions? How
about
> Simpson Racing products? Seems like a nice looking harness for about
> $165/set.
I personally like the Schroth system. But this has been discussed pretty
recently -- check the archives (search for schroth | hooker | pacific aero |
seat belts | seatbelts | harnesses).
Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~450 hrs)
Portland, OR
www.vanshomewing.org
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