---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/23/02: 41 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:53 AM - Christmas (Jim Jewell) 2. 03:17 AM - Flying Comment (Jim Nolan) 3. 03:56 AM - Re: Stiffening tip-up canopy - yes or no (Jerry Calvert) 4. 04:35 AM - Seat Bottoms (Richard Dudley) 5. 04:44 AM - FW: Garmin 196 on Experimental Panel builder (Nightingale Michael) 6. 05:20 AM - calling ahead (SSPRING83@aol.com) 7. 05:25 AM - Re: Plexi repair. (GRENIER@aol.com) 8. 05:46 AM - Re: Stiffening tip-up canopy - yes or no (Dave) 9. 06:13 AM - Re: Plexi repair. (J. R. Dial) 10. 06:27 AM - help wanted (Aircraft Technical Book Company) 11. 06:51 AM - Re: Flying comment (mstewart@qa.butler.com) 12. 07:07 AM - Re: Flying comment (Miller Robert) 13. 07:19 AM - Re: slightly off topic - what's latin for "flying machine" ? (lm4@juno.com) 14. 07:49 AM - Re: TEAM RV (mstewart@qa.butler.com) 15. 07:49 AM - Re: Flying comment (Boyd C. Braem) 16. 08:41 AM - Rv-6 tip up (rv6tc) 17. 08:43 AM - Re: F1 down in Houstin (mstewart@qa.butler.com) 18. 08:53 AM - Re: RV Flying - inspirational LONG (Scott Brumbelow) 19. 08:55 AM - Re: slightly off topic - what's latin for "flying machin (Van Artsdalen, Scott) 20. 09:03 AM - Re: slightly off topic - what's latin for "flying machin (Van Artsdalen, Scott) 21. 09:23 AM - Re: Flying Comment (Doug Rozendaal) 22. 10:07 AM - Re: Flying Comment (Ed Perry) 23. 10:14 AM - Re: Seat Bottoms (Randall Henderson) 24. 11:28 AM - Re: Rv-6 tip up (Norman) 25. 11:50 AM - Re: Re: Flying comment (JRWillJR@aol.com) 26. 01:07 PM - Re: Re: Flying comment (Tedd McHenry) 27. 01:41 PM - Re: Re: Flying comment (JRWillJR@aol.com) 28. 01:54 PM - Re: Re: Flying comment (mitchf@netscape.com (Mitchell Faatz)) 29. 02:05 PM - Re: Flying Comment (LarryRobertHelming) 30. 02:21 PM - Re: Re: Flying comment (Scott Reichel) 31. 02:24 PM - Fw: Flying Comment (C. Rabaut) 32. 03:12 PM - Re: Re: Flying comment (Tedd McHenry) 33. 03:25 PM - Re: Stiffening tip-up canopy - yes or no (Jerry Calvert) 34. 03:39 PM - RV-8 Canopy Replacement (Ed's Compuserve) 35. 03:57 PM - Re: RV-8 Canopy Replacement (Bob Hassel) 36. 04:05 PM - Re: RV-8 Canopy Replacement (Robert McCallum) 37. 04:35 PM - Re: RV-8 Canopy Replacement (JhnstnIII@aol.com) 38. 05:48 PM - Placement of flux detector (Ralph E. Capen) 39. 06:01 PM - Re: Seat Bottoms (Vince Himsl) 40. 08:59 PM - Albany Or. 699WP 1st flight (WPAerial@aol.com) 41. 10:31 PM - Re: Albany Or. 699WP 1st flight (Jim Jewell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:29 AM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: RV-List: Christmas --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" It gives me great pleasure to wish all of the participants of the lists the most Merry of Christmases and the best New Year possible. Thank you all for the entertainment, information and assistance. I think I can speak for everyone be they wannabes, builders, flyers or multi offenders when I say thanks for your efforts Matt. the same goes to you Bob. Merry Christmas everybody! Jim in Kelowna do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:54 AM PST US From: "Jim Nolan" Subject: RV-List: Flying Comment --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Nolan" F.Y.I. I've always used the term ( experimental N444JN ) when addressing ATC. After I got my instrument ticket, I used the same term a couple of times. ATC has never addressed me as experimental. I never use that term anymore. They let me know I was an RV4, not an experimental. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:35 AM PST US From: "Jerry Calvert" Subject: Re: RV-List: Stiffening tip-up canopy - yes or no --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" The cost of the 3-piece canopy stiffner was a little over $20. Jerry Calvert Edmond Ok -6 N296JC(res) ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Stiffening tip-up canopy - yes or no > --> RV-List message posted by: Abwaldal@aol.com > > Hi Pete > I too did the three pieces of rv-7 canopy stiffening process and it really > worked good. Easy to install; just follow instructions. Don't remember the > cost. But well worth it. I've done tons of fiberglass and epoxy in the past > and would rather have something that has mechanical attachment. I would > recomend it to anybody. > > Art B. Waldal > Rv-6 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:29 AM PST US From: Richard Dudley Subject: RV-List: Seat Bottoms --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley Hi Listers, My question is regarding the material(s) used for filling the space under the actual seat cushions. A review of the archives did not yield very much. The top layers of the seat clearly need to be some sort of foam with the most attractive (and most expensive) being Tempurfoam. However, the space beneath the foam which is of the order of 5" (RV-6A) can be a much firmer material and possibly rigid. An attractive material because of its easy fabrication and lightness is the common insulation foam used in home construction. However, this is polystyrene which will not meet a simple flammability test. When exposed to a flame, it melts and will burn. However, in the location under the cushions, is fire resistance an important consideration? In thinking about how that area could be exposed to flame, it would seem that, in order for that material to reach high enough temperatures, the occupants would already been done in by flames and whether or not the seat bottoms burn would become moot. I would be interested in any insights, experiences you have had as well as the material selections you have made (for those who made their seats). For those who purchased seats, do you know what the materials are in your seat bottoms? Thanks in advance. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all. Regards, Richard Dudley -6A FWF ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:18 AM PST US From: "Nightingale Michael" "'rv-list@matronics.com'" Subject: RV-List: FW: Garmin 196 on Experimental Panel builder --> RV-List message posted by: "Nightingale Michael" > > > Does anyone on the List have access to someone at The Experimental Panel > builder site? I've Emailed them 4 times in the last two months about > adding the Garmin 196 to GPS Group, but the 196 is still a no show. > > > Thanks > Mike Nightingale > RV-9A 90259 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:24 AM PST US From: SSPRING83@aol.com Subject: RV-List: calling ahead --> RV-List message posted by: SSPRING83@aol.com Hi Len, l agree with you about announcing yourself ahead of time when arriving at an airport, (controlled, or uncontrolled) but for the benefit of the lowtimers and others it might be better to say " will be entering the pattern in 4 minutes" when you will be landing depends on how much other traffic is there ahead of you. Just my 2 cents worth and please don,t archive this George Spring Chester Ct. -4 4375J ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:30 AM PST US From: GRENIER@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Plexi repair. --> RV-List message posted by: GRENIER@aol.com Thanks dean for the info. I think the seringe I have a black plunger so I will have to ask Gale about the tipless kind. Do you know how to apply the solvent? Start at the spop hole and run down the crack? From the inside or outside? Should the crack be prepared in any way? I have a few pieces of plexi to practice on - tried to create a crack and couldn't do it. How come its so easy on the canopy??? Painting still going on -- had shipping problems getting the materials. Thanks again, Ray ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:35 AM PST US From: "Dave" Subject: Re: RV-List: Stiffening tip-up canopy - yes or no --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave" What are the part numbers of the stiffeners for the 7? Thanks, Dave RV-6 The need for speed--> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" > > The cost of the 3-piece canopy stiffner was a little over $20. > > Jerry Calvert > Edmond Ok > -6 N296JC(res) > Subject: Re: RV-List: Stiffening tip-up canopy - yes or no > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Abwaldal@aol.com > > > > Hi Pete > > I too did the three pieces of rv-7 canopy stiffening process and it > really > > worked good. Easy to install; just follow instructions. Don't remember the > > cost. But well worth it. I've done tons of fiberglass and epoxy in the > past > > and would rather have something that has mechanical attachment. I would > > recomend it to anybody. > > > > Art B. Waldal > > Rv-6 > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:08 AM PST US From: "J. R. Dial" Subject: RE: RV-List: Plexi repair. --> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" I missed something on this. What is the product you are using for this repair? I have a stopped drill hole that is showing small crack on the edge that I would like to try and repair. Can answer off list if you prefer. I am about 80% done on RV6 but this problem is on C140 I am 1/2 owner on. Thanks DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRENIER@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Plexi repair. --> RV-List message posted by: GRENIER@aol.com Thanks dean for the info. I think the seringe I have a black plunger so I will have to ask Gale about the tipless kind. Do you know how to apply the solvent? Start at the spop hole and run down the crack? From the inside or outside? Should the crack be prepared in any way? I have a few pieces of plexi to practice on - tried to create a crack and couldn't do it. How come its so easy on the canopy??? Painting still going on -- had shipping problems getting the materials. Thanks again, Ray = ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:02 AM PST US From: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" Subject: RV-List: help wanted --> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" Ladies & Gentlemen, Builder's Bookstore, (which I now consider a division of Aircraft Technical Book Company) has long ago outgrown its meager surroundings which it still occupies in the basement of my house; and has also long ago outgrown the services available to it, which to date has been completely provided by me and my wife (Nancy) It is now well past time to take the next step. Unfortunately, even though living in Winter Park, CO has far more benefits than not, the availability of professional minded help is scarce. We are a town of part time ski bums and retired millionaires. So just on the chance that this list might include a few airplane savy people who like to live outside the box; here goes: We have three basic positions available; two in Winter Park, and one class of position which can be done anywhere (worldwide). 1] (in Winter Park) Customer Service & Order Processing Talking to customers on the phone ranging from RV Builders, to university department heads, to international distributors. Answering semi-technical questions, making recommendations, resolving order related problems. (NOT phone sales). Also handling daily order processing and shipping. 2] (in Winter Park) IFR charting specialist Our expanded relation with Jeppesen (we are now among a handful of worldwide top tier Jeppesen dealers enjoying the highest discount levels possible) leaves a gapping hole in our catalog. That is with Jeppesen's main product, IFR charting services. We need someone very familiar with instrument navigation and all the latest paper and digital technology on an air carrier through individual level, who can build and work that department. 3] (from anywhere; worldwide - almost) Marketing Reps Particularly to high schools. Your job would be to work with high school Industrial Arts departments in what will be your exclusive territory, to develop new 11th and 12th grade courses in aviation technology. We'll provide everything you need including a complete day-day instructor's syllabus. Of course, the income potential is in providing the text books for those classes. Want to know more about these jobs? Want to know more about life in Winter Park? (golf, fishing, skiing, hiking, climbing, fresh air, good schools, zero crime, an active RV flyers club - 5 flying, another near completion) Call or write back privately to: Andy Gold agold@ACtechbooks.com 970 887-2207 do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:33 AM PST US From: mstewart@qa.butler.com Subject: RV-List: Re: Flying comment --> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com I have spoken to 2 controllers on this. They have not heard of this communication to controllers from the FAA. But both are looking it up. Also, my operating Limitations 'REQUIRE' that I identify myself as an experimental, and is standard in every op lim issued from the Atl FSDO. I suspect that is the case around the country as they all use the same template for issuing them. Mike Stewart --> RV-List message posted by: > The owner of the RV that is being built in my hangar is an ATC. I'll ask him. I have also heard Lancairs and Glasairs communicate without the "experimental" tag. Should apply to RV's for sure then. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Besing" > > Subject: Re: Flying comment > --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" > > > I don't recall who it was that said this, and it may not be true, but here > goes. > > I heard that due to the large number of RV's flying, there was a > communication from the FAA to all controllers what an RV was, and that RV's > could report as "Anywhere tower, RV2388X" instead of reporting "Experimental > 2388X" or "Experimental RV 2388X". This communication was to let > controllers know who weren't familiar with an RV that they are commonplace > enough to eliminate the "Experimental" from the call sign, so not be > confused with a much slower experimental. > > Even if it is not true, I think that this is happening more and more > everyday. Gotta love them RV's. > > > Paul Besing I have spoken to 2 controllers on this. They have not heard of this communication to controllers from the FAA. But both are looking it up. Also, my operating Limitations 'REQUIRE' that I identify myself as an experimental, and is standard in every op lim issued from the Atl FSDO. I suspect that is the case around the country as they all use the same template for issuing them. Mike Stewart snip -- RV-List message posted by: ktlkrn@cox.net The owner of the RV that is being built in my hangar is an ATC. I'll ask him. I have also heard Lancairs and Glasairs communicate without the experimental tag. Should apply to RV's for sure then. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Besing azpilot@extremezone.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Flying comment -- RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing azpilot@extremezone.com I don't recall who it was that said this, and it may not be true, but here goes. I heard that due to the large number of RV's flying, there was a communication from the FAA to all controllers what an RV was, and that RV's could report as Anywhere tower, RV2388X instead of reporting Experimental 2388X or Experimental RV 2388X. This communication was to let controllers know who weren't familiar with an RV that they are commonplace enough to eliminate the Experimental from the call sign, so not be confused with a much slower experimental. Even if it is not true, I think that this is happening more and more everyday. Gotta love them RV's. Paul Besing snip ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:52 AM PST US From: Miller Robert Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying comment --> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert > Granted, those not familiar to the area may not know the land marks, but how > many strangers are flying these days any way? > I think a lot. I have seen and experienced some confusion based upon position reports using landmarks only ... many times. Tonight, for example, I will be flying to an airport I have never seen before. Position reports that do not specify bearing are, for the most part, useless. Landmarks may be helpful to those who know the area, however. Therefore, at the least, one should always give some indication of direction. e.g.: ..... 10 miles to southeast of field, inbound......" And if you have local knowledge, you may still include the bearing and distance, with a named landmark. e.g.: "..... 10 miles to southeast of field, over Mt. Hope Bridge, inbound......" Rjcaptjoel@aol.com wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Rjcaptjoel@aol.com > > I try to use a land mark when calling in a position report. > "Antique Aeronca---Experimental RV 4----Canadair Regional Jet ten miles out > over I-25, straight in runway 29 Jeff co. or over Erie tower, or Near Platte > Valley, landing Van Air. > Granted, those not familiar to the area may not know the land marks, but how > many strangers are flying these days any way? > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: slightly off topic - what's latin for "flying machine" ? From: lm4@juno.com --> RV-List message posted by: lm4@juno.com Amit, I don't know if I can tell you what you want to know but I'll take a stab at it. In the science museum in Ottawa there hangs a flying machine of Da Vinci's design. It's called an Ornithopter. That word, though, might describe the type of flying machine it is. Larry Mac Donald On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 01:36:33 +0000 "Amit Dagan" writes: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Amit Dagan" > > This is slightly off topic, but many of you must have seen airplane > swith > names, like "Patience", "Everest" etc. > I was wondering if anyone knows what is Latin for "A Flying Machine" > ? > What did Leonardo Da Vinci call his invention (IS he on the list > ?;)) > Thanks, > Amit. > > do not archive > > > > _-> > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:20 AM PST US From: mstewart@qa.butler.com Subject: RV-List: Re: TEAM RV --> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com Rick, Excellent write-up, and thanks for the very kind words. Yesterday was one year on my rv w/ 694 hours. Amazing. I have more to learn on the full potential of this plane. It gets better all the time. Sure did enjoy having you down. Next time we will call ahead and verify they have FOOD for us huh? Have a great holiday. Mike Stewart Hoping Santa brings me some RV goodies --> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com Folks, I thought a few of you may like to read a post to the Mid Atlantic and TEAM RV Yahoo Groups. When I was building, stuff like this kept me down in the basement working harder than ever (Thanks Big Time to Paul Rosales - aka SoCal Rosie for his travel stories)! Delete or Enjoy - The choice is yours : ). Happy Holidays to ALL Rick Gray RV6 Ohio at the Buffalo Farm (1st flight in August, 121 hrs) lots of loops and rolls Mike, Had a great time today.........thanks BIG TIME for all your help and support. You put a great deal into this sport.........I recognize this and appreciate ALL your efforts. Guys like me are reaping the benefits of your efforts and willingness to share your knowledge. Thanks Mike!! Later. Rick at the Buffalo Farm - come on up dude and you can stay at our house and I'll let you ride the 'little Buffalo' -- smile Sporty's.....NO......TEAM RV......YES, Hey guys, Thought I give you a little travel report from today's flight. The wind was blowing BIG TIME here in Ohio today (and my passenger for the planned ride to Sporty's http://www.sportys.com/shoppilot/ gets airsick real easy).....so we decided to head south for some 'nicer' wx. Hmmmmmm, isn't TEAM RV http://www.mstewart.net/michael/rv/teamrv/index.htm down in Georgia(?).......isn't that an RV in my hangar(?).......you bet!!! Well, what are we waiting for........?? We had the airport to ourselves. Wheels up at 0640 from Parkersburg (PKB) (don't ya' just love turning on the lights on 2 huge runways with the click of mic button - smile). Climbed to 8500' with Charleston Center till they dumped us somewhere over North Carolina. Head winds kept our ground speed to 160mph but they steadily increased to about 195 as we neared Lawrenceville, Ga. (LZU). Smooth 20 deg cold air over the mountains, the sun rising off to the left, and a full moon off to the right.......this is why I built my plane (69 deg in cockpit and Yanni on the CD didn't hurt either...grin). LZU Ok'd us for the overhead approach and a few minutes later we were on the ground with my good buddy Mike Stewart and new friend Steve McDonald (RV4). 2.3 hours and we're in Georgia....somebody pinch me. Hey.....look over there! Here come some more RV's. Mike briefed the flight......safety, Lead, Wingmen, #2, fingertip, safety, squawk, check in, #6, safety, questions?....safety, let's go. Before I knew it we were taxiing out as a 6 ship (Mike/lead/RV6A, Steve/RV4, Greg Bitzer/Wingman/RV6, Danny Kight/Wingman/RV6, Ken ?/RV6, and myself/RV6)in route to Moontown, Alabama (3M5) http://www.airnav.com/airport/3M5 to meet up with the Tennessee RV bunch. Great opportunity for this new guy to get some much needed formation practice. Clay Smith (RV4) joined up about half way into the 1 hour flight to Moontown. Upon arrival, TEAM RV made a few beautiful passes for the crowd on the 2100' grass strip which included an echelon, diamond, arrow, and the big finale....... a STARBURST (you had to be there).....this was spectacular!! RV's 'shooting' all over the sky!! Trailing behind in 'loose' formation gave me a birds eye view of some awesome precision formation work. What a display!! Upon reforming from the Starburst Mike called the TEAM back into trail for the landing and formation taxi, turn, & shutdown on the 'flight line'. Lots of well deserved compliments from the crowd!! Hmmm, I wonder why - these guys practice often and are really good. With 10 or so RV's already on the field, our arrival just about doubled the count. Needless to say we got to see lots of cool airplanes and flybys. The wx was severe clear and about 60 deg. Sweet. We hung out for a couple hours revisiting with folks we met down at SERFI http://www.serfi.org/ (Dennis Milsap/Robin Hunt and others)in October and of course....making new friends. Oh yea, even Mr Sam Buchanan was there....big smile and hand shake from Sam.......if you're asking yourself 'who's Sam?'.....you probably don't have an RV. http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/ These folks meet at Moontown every 3rd Saturday.....a great bunch with great southern hospitality.....it doesn't get any better. We departed as a single ship for PKB. The 425 statute mile trip home from Alabama was just 2 hours 2 minutes with an average groundspeed of 210mph. Sweet ride at about 7500'.......UNTIL we started descending to PKB. ATIS report wasn't promising and a quick call on 123.7 verified that the winds were still waiting for us. 26 gusting to 34 out of 25. The turbulent descent really tested the Dramamine my buddy 'Gary' took a few hours before, but the sick sacks stayed in the center console....: ). My choices were 21 and 28 (I like having a 'choice' : )). I decided on 28 and we were cleared to land. I wouldn't have enjoyed this moment in my Kitfox but the RV handled it no problem. A short taxi to the pumps to top off the tanks......a few moments later N856RG was back in the hanger. Total time on the hobbs today was 6.6 hours.....not bad for a spur of the moment.....er....uh...dare I say....pick up WAM - don't cha love it! Fuel burn was 8.3 on the way down and 7.9 on the way back. The 7.9 was among the lower end of my fuel burns so far.....but it did include the hour formation hop from Lawrenceville to Moontown at about 2300rpm. I'm running an O-360 fixed pitch. I typically avg 8.1 to 8.3 at altitude - and lean to 20 deg rich of peak. Some folks do better, but these are my numbers. Let's see, rise at 4:45 am, wheels up at 6:40, Ohio to Georgia in 2.3 hours, formation w/TEAM RV (well, loose for me) to Moontown Alabama, chit chat with good ol' boy Sam Buchanan, and back home to Ohio by about 2:45.......I love my RV. Keep poundin' them rivets. Or keep painting 'em, (over & over till you get one you like) as it applies to you.....Zack : ) Oh yea.... a plug for my new 'Jantzi' steering link....this baby is a nice addition to my 6 and is a 'keeper'.......don't leave home without one! http://www.iwantarocket.com/ click on 'Products' I'll be in flying to Jersey for the Holidays......if you folks have something going on be sure to post. Hope your Saturday was a good one.....Happy Holidays to the MARV group!!! Rick Gray RV6 Ohio at the Buffalo Farm Rick, Excellent write-up, and thanks for the very kind words. Yesterday was one year on my rv w/ 694 hours. Amazing. I have more to learn on the full potential of this plane. It gets better all the time. Sure did enjoy having you down. Next time we will call ahead and verify they have FOOD for us huh? Have a great holiday. Mike Stewart Hoping Santa brings me some RV goodies snip -- RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com Folks, I thought a few of you may like to read a post to the Mid Atlantic and TEAM RV Yahoo Groups. When I was building, stuff like this kept me down in the basement working harder than ever (Thanks Big Time to Paul Rosales - aka SoCal Rosie for his travel stories)! Delete or Enjoy - The choice is yours : ). Happy Holidays to ALL Rick Gray RV6 Ohio at the Buffalo Farm (1st flight in August, 121 hrs) lots of loops and rolls Mike, Had a great time today.........thanks BIG TIME for all your help and support. You put a great deal into this sport.........I recognize this and appreciate ALL your efforts. Guys like me are reaping the benefits of your efforts and willingness to share your knowledge. Thanks Mike!! Later. Rick at the Buffalo Farm - come on up dude and you can stay at our house and I'll let you ride the 'little Buffalo' -- smile Sporty's.....NO......TEAM RV......YES, Hey guys, Thought I give you a little travel report from today's flight. The wind was blowing BIG TIME here in Ohio today (and my passenger for the planned ride to Sporty's A HREFhttp://www.sportys.com/shoppilot/http://www.sportys.com/shoppilot/ gets airsick real easy).....so we decided to head south for some 'nicer' wx. Hmmmmmm, isn't TEAM RV A HREFhttp://www.mstewart.net/michael/rv/teamrv/index.htmhttp://www.mstewart.net/michael/rv/teamrv/index.htm down in Georgia(?).......isn't that an RV in my hangar(?).......you bet!!! Well, what are we waiting for........?? We had the airport to ourselves. Wheels up at 0640 from Parkersburg (PKB) (don't ya' just love turning on the lights on 2 huge runways with the click of mic button - smile). Climbed to 8500' with Charleston Center till they dumped us somewhere over North Carolina. Head winds kept our ground speed to 160mph but they steadily increased to about 195 as we neared Lawrenceville, Ga. (LZU). Smooth 20 deg cold air over the mountains, the sun rising off to the left, and a full moon off to the right.......this is why I built my plane (69 deg in cockpit and Yanni on the CD didn't hurt either...grin). LZU Ok'd us for the overhead approach and a few minutes later we were on the ground with my good buddy Mike Stewart and new friend Steve McDonald (RV4). 2.3 hours and we're in Georgia....somebody pinch me. Hey.....look over there! Here come some more RV's. Mike briefed the flight......safety, Lead, Wingmen, #2, fingertip, safety, squawk, check in, #6, safety, questions?....safety, let's go. Before I knew it we were taxiing out as a 6 ship (Mike/lead/RV6A, Steve/RV4, Greg Bitzer/Wingman/RV6, Danny Kight/Wingman/RV6, Ken ?/RV6, and myself/RV6)in route to Moontown, Alabama (3M5) A HREFhttp://www.airnav.com/airport/3M5http://www.airnav.com/airport/3M5 to meet up with the Tennessee RV bunch. Great opportunity for this new guy to get some much needed formation practice. Clay Smith (RV4) joined up about half way into the 1 hour flight to Moontown. Upon arrival, TEAM RV made a few beautiful passes for the crowd on the 2100' grass strip which included an echelon, diamond, arrow, and the big finale....... a STARBURST (you had to be there).....this was spectacular!! RV's 'shooting' all over the sky!! Trailing behind in 'loose' formation gave me a birds eye view of some awesome precision formation work. What a display!! Upon reforming from the Starburst Mike called the TEAM back into trail for the landing and formation taxi, turn, shutdown on the 'flight line'. Lots of well deserved compliments from the crowd!! Hmmm, I wonder why - these guys practice often and are really good. With 10 or so RV's already on the field, our arrival just about doubled the count. Needless to say we got to see lots of cool airplanes and flybys. The wx was severe clear and about 60 deg. Sweet. We hung out for a couple hours revisiting with folks we met down at SERFI A HREFhttp://www.serfi.org/http://www.serfi.org/ (Dennis Milsap/Robin Hunt and others)in October and of course....making new friends. Oh yea, even Mr Sam Buchanan was there....big smile and hand shake from Sam.......if you're asking yourself 'who's Sam?'.....you probably don't have an RV. A HREFhttp://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/ These folks meet at Moontown every 3rd Saturday.....a great bunch with great southern hospitality.....it doesn't get any better. We departed as a single ship for PKB. The 425 statute mile trip home from Alabama was just 2 hours 2 minutes with an average groundspeed of 210mph. Sweet ride at about 7500'.......UNTIL we started descending to PKB. ATIS report wasn't promising and a quick call on 123.7 verified that the winds were still waiting for us. 26 gusting to 34 out of 25. The turbulent descent really tested the Dramamine my buddy 'Gary' took a few hours before, but the sick sacks stayed in the center console....: ). My choices were 21 and 28 (I like having a 'choice' : )). I decided on 28 and we were cleared to land. I wouldn't have enjoyed this moment in my Kitfox but the RV handled it no problem. A short taxi to the pumps to top off the tanks......a few moments later N856RG was back in the hanger. Total time on the hobbs today was 6.6 hours.....not bad for a spur of the moment.....er....uh...dare I say....pick up WAM - don't cha love it! Fuel burn was 8.3 on the way down and 7.9 on the way back. The 7.9 was among the lower end of my fuel burns so far.....but it did include the hour formation hop from Lawrenceville to Moontown at about 2300rpm. I'm running an O-360 fixed pitch. I typically avg 8.1 to 8.3 at altitude - and lean to 20 deg rich of peak. Some folks do better, but these are my numbers. Let's see, rise at 4:45 am, wheels up at 6:40, Ohio to Georgia in 2.3 hours, formation w/TEAM RV (well, loose for me) to Moontown Alabama, chit chat with good ol' boy Sam Buchanan, and back home to Ohio by about 2:45.......I love my RV. Keep poundin' them rivets. Or keep painting 'em, (over over till you get one you like) as it applies to you.....Zack : ) Oh yea.... a plug for my new 'Jantzi' steering link....this baby is a nice addition to my 6 and is a 'keeper'.......don't leave home without one! A HREFhttp://www.iwantarocket.com/http://www.iwantarocket.com/ click on 'Products' I'll be in flying to Jersey for the Holidays......if you folks have something going on be sure to post. Hope your Saturday was a good one.....Happy Holidays to the MARV group!!! Rick Gray RV6 Ohio at the Buffalo Farm snip ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:54 AM PST US From: "Boyd C. Braem" Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying comment --> RV-List message posted by: "Boyd C. Braem" My controller friends tell me that the RV series of aircraft has been included in the "Controllers' Glossary and Abbreviation Manual" (or whatever that thing is called) for at least a year, maybe two. So you are good to announce "RV6 000SH" to the controller without the "Experimental" and they'll know you're a 180 knot airplane. Boyd do not archive Paul Besing wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" > > I don't recall who it was that said this, and it may not be true, but here > goes. > > I heard that due to the large number of RV's flying, there was a > communication from the FAA to all controllers what an RV was, and that RV's > could report as "Anywhere tower, RV2388X" instead of reporting "Experimental > 2388X" or "Experimental RV 2388X". This communication was to let > controllers know who weren't familiar with an RV that they are commonplace > enough to eliminate the "Experimental" from the call sign, so not be > confused with a much slower experimental. > > Even if it is not true, I think that this is happening more and more > everyday. Gotta love them RV's. > > Paul Besing > RV-6A Sold (Waiting on the RV-10) > http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing > Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software > http://www.kitlog.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:52 AM PST US From: "rv6tc" Subject: RV-List: Rv-6 tip up --> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" After trying to design an electric canopy latching system, and giving up, yielding to Van's "simpler, efficient" design, I've been installing the standard tip up latch. Question: When cutting the slot in the side skin, I made the hole the same size as the "joggle" area on the latch. Looks great, but it won't open. You need to carve out more forward of the joggle to allow the handle to swing forward. First of all, how much does the handle need to rotate? And has anyone come up with a way to make the hole and the joggle fit each other without cutting too much more? Keith Hughes RV-6 Finish Denver ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:51 AM PST US From: mstewart@qa.butler.com Subject: RV-List: Re: F1 down in Houstin --> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com You can find a little info here: Based on the link name, it may only be up for a day or so. Prayers for the family. http://www.herald-coaster.com/front1.shtml Mike Stewart Do Not Archive You can find a little info here: Based on the link name, it may only be up for a day or so. Prayers for the family. http://www.herald-coaster.com/front1.shtml Mike Stewart Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:08 AM PST US From: Scott Brumbelow Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Flying - inspirational LONG --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Brumbelow As I write, my RV-8A is 85+% complete with 85+% to go. Actually, my plans (hopes??) are to have this thing flying this summer. Once my prop arrives, I will have essentially everything either on the aircraft or in the garage. I look at how much has been accomplished to date, and yet how much is to go, and SOMETIMES wonder if this is EVER going to be finished! It is posts like this that keep the fires burning, build my anticipation about finally flying (much sooner rather than later), and help me recognize that I am oh so close. Keep 'em coming... Scott Brumbelow RV-8A Cowling, instruments, electrical Memphis Lenleg@aol.com wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com > > Alex: > > I recently had a similar experience already in my newly flying 8A. > > I was approx 20 miles inbound for landing when I heard another plane (Cessna) > call for landing close to my psoition. The tower called out traffic which I > then located. The Cessna could not find me and told the controller. > > The controller came back saying "Experimental is no longer a factor ... he is > passing you now at about 50 knots faster". Oh yes !!!! I landed, fueled up, > started taxing back to my hanger and the Cessna was on final !!!! > > Love my RV !!!! > > Len Leggette RV-8A > N901LL > Greensboro, N.C. > 31 hours !! > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:11 AM PST US From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" Subject: RE: RV-List: slightly off topic - what's latin for "flying machin e" ? --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" An ornithopter is an aircraft that moves through the air by movement of it's wings. Like those toy wind-up birds. -----Original Message----- From: lm4@juno.com [mailto:lm4@juno.com] Subject: Re: RV-List: slightly off topic - what's latin for "flying machine" ? --> RV-List message posted by: lm4@juno.com Amit, I don't know if I can tell you what you want to know but I'll take a stab at it. In the science museum in Ottawa there hangs a flying machine of Da Vinci's design. It's called an Ornithopter. That word, though, might describe the type of flying machine it is. Larry Mac Donald On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 01:36:33 +0000 "Amit Dagan" writes: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Amit Dagan" > > This is slightly off topic, but many of you must have seen airplane > swith > names, like "Patience", "Everest" etc. > I was wondering if anyone knows what is Latin for "A Flying Machine" > ? > What did Leonardo Da Vinci call his invention (IS he on the list > ?;)) > Thanks, > Amit. > > do not archive > > > > _-> > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:09 AM PST US From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" Subject: RE: RV-List: slightly off topic - what's latin for "flying machin e" ? --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" What about aether-machina -----Original Message----- From: Tedd McHenry [mailto:tedd@vansairforce.org] Subject: Re: RV-List: slightly off topic - what's latin for "flying machine" ? --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry > I was wondering if anyone knows what is Latin for "A Flying Machine" ? One transliteration would be "fabrica volitilis." Tedd McHenry Surrey, BC -6 wings ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:04 AM PST US From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying Comment --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" Most operating limitations on experimental aircraft require that you notify "ATC" that your aircraft is experimental. "RV240" is legal and fine for unicom, but on your first call to ATC (Center, Approach, & Tower), no matter what ATC says, if your operating limitations read like mine, legally, you are supposed to say "experimental." For me it usually goes like this, "Minney Center, RV 240." They often respond "ARMY 240 go ahead" "Minneapolis, R,V, 240 is an experimental RV-4 with you at X.5 squawking 1200 blah blah blah....." After that it is "RV240" ATC could care less if your airplane is experimental, but the FEDs do. HO HO HO Doug Rozendaal > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Nolan" > > F.Y.I. > I've always used the term ( experimental N444JN ) when addressing ATC. After I got my instrument ticket, I used the same term a couple of times. ATC has never addressed me as experimental. I never use that term anymore. They let me know I was an RV4, not an experimental. > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:50 AM PST US From: "Ed Perry" Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying Comment --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Perry" From an ATC side.....There are a bazillion different experimentals out there. We like to know what kind so that we can quote traffic and get some idea of the aircraft performance. When filing if your aircraft does not have an approved designator or you are not sure, use HXA (speeds < 90kts), HXB (speeds 90-190kts), and HXC (speeds > 191kts) all the RV designators are approved....RV4, RV6,RV8, etc... Ed Perry eperry@san.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying Comment > --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" > > Most operating limitations on experimental aircraft require that you notify > "ATC" that your aircraft is experimental. "RV240" is legal and fine for > unicom, but on your first call to ATC (Center, Approach, & Tower), no matter > what ATC says, if your operating limitations read like mine, legally, you > are supposed to say "experimental." > > For me it usually goes like this, > > "Minney Center, RV 240." > > They often respond "ARMY 240 go ahead" > > "Minneapolis, R,V, 240 is an experimental RV-4 with you at X.5 squawking > 1200 blah blah blah....." > > After that it is "RV240" > > ATC could care less if your airplane is experimental, but the FEDs do. > > HO HO HO > Doug Rozendaal > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Nolan" > > > > F.Y.I. > > I've always used the term ( experimental N444JN ) when addressing > ATC. After I got my instrument ticket, I used the same term a couple of > times. ATC has never addressed me as experimental. I never use that term > anymore. They let me know I was an RV4, not an experimental. > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:02 AM PST US From: "Randall Henderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Seat Bottoms --> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" > My question is regarding the material(s) used for filling the space > under the actual seat cushions. A review of the archives did not yield > very much. [snip] You forgot LIGHT WEIGHT. I had seats made by a local custom aircraft upholstery shop and he used 100% temperfoam and they're obscenely comfy but also HEAVY. I checked around about this later and someone told me to look for "FR flotation foam" (the FR stands for "Fire Resistant"). So I went to a foam shop but there were several different FR floatation foams and no spec on weight and the little snips they had really didn't give me an idea of how stiff one would be if you sat on it... I gave up but still would like to know... not sure it'd be worth the trouble but I think about replacing the bottom 4" or so in my seats with lightweight stuff. So if anyone else knows the answer I'd like to know too. Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~450 hrs) Portland, OR www.vanshomewing.org ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:38 AM PST US From: "Norman" Subject: Re: RV-List: Rv-6 tip up --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" > Question: When cutting the slot in the side skin, I > made the hole the same size as the "joggle" area on the latch. Looks great, > but it won't open. You need to carve out more forward of the joggle to > allow the handle to swing forward. First of all, how much does the handle > need to rotate? And has anyone come up with a way to make the hole and the > joggle fit each other without cutting too much more? I had to file away here, reassembly, test, disassemble, and file more many times before the latch would actuate enough. The latch handle swings just over 90 degrees now. This is some thing that you have to go very slow at. Norman Hunger RV6A Tip Up ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:19 AM PST US From: JRWillJR@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Flying comment --> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com My RV is obviously not flying but when I communicated with a tower in my Kitfox I called Experimental Kitfox NXXXXXZZ. That way they would know I was an 80 knot airplane they had to deal with. I did see a statement that said that certain Experimental aircraft could use their "type" when reporting, this would supersede the Operating Restrictions that say Experimental. I believe it was in Sport Aviation about 2 years ago and they were quoting from an FAA Bulletin. I think they included RVs, Glasairs, Lancairs and a few others that were common enough and fast enough that controllers needed a heads up that they were not dealing with a Briggs and Stratton powered flying lawnmower. I cannot remember the Bulletin so again I have no proof. I don't see how you could get in trouble trying to help out the tower by reporting on the first call as Experimental RV XXXXZZ and using RVZZ thereafter but I could be wrong. I have been working on a commercial rating, I have noticed over the years guys who are shooting IFR practice approaches will report " Cessna 182 38UGLY, Noodle inbound for NDB 13", trust me on this, the VFR Private guys probably do not know where "Noodle" is and may have forgotten what an NDB is. I think when flying in VFR weather, especially at uncontrolled airports, pilots should report as, RV (Exp) XXXZZ 5 miles SW inbound to Cooke Field for downwind or 5 miles SW inbound for staight-in to 36 etc. That tells them what you are, where you are and what you are planning to do. The problem with landmarks is they get different names, only locals know them and the probelm with using IFR fixes, intersections etc is that the VFR guys don't know that stuff either. Giving an altitude such as 3000 or descending from 3000 tells the others guys that you are working down from 3000 to pattern altitude. What do the pro pilots think? Do Not Archive JR ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:59 PM PST US From: Tedd McHenry Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Flying comment --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 JRWillJR@aol.com wrote: > the probelm > with using IFR fixes, intersections etc is that the VFR guys don't know that > stuff either. Giving an altitude such as 3000 or descending from 3000 tells > the others guys that you are working down from 3000 to pattern altitude. What > do the pro pilots think? Do Not Archive JR You raise a good point, that VFR pilots don't necessarily know where to look for IFR traffic, especially at uncontrolled fields they're not familiar with. The good news is that IFR traffic is pretty predictable, so it shouldn't take local VFR pilots long to know where to look, at the fields they normally fly at. But IFR terminology and radio procedures are pretty tightly defined. I don't think altering them is a good idea. VFR pilots who want to improve their look-out for IFR traffic should probably learn the basics of approach plates, so they can familiarize themsevles with where traffic might be at fields where they anticipate a problem. Tedd McHenry Surrey, BC -6 wings ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:41 PM PST US From: JRWillJR@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Flying comment --> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com In a message dated 12/23/2002 3:09:33 PM Central Standard Time, tedd@vansairforce.org writes: > But IFR terminology and radio procedures are pretty tightly defined. What I am referring to is practice approaches in VFR conditions at busy uncontrolled airports. Yes, though, I see your point, still, I would not count on VFR guys ever knowing what "Noodle Intersection inbound means". Did anyone see the article, I think in AOPA, about IFR pilots having higher accident rates than VFR rated pilots, I think mostly due to midairs etc. My instructor is a classic example. Since he is ATP and all that he has long forgotten that lot's of people don't do the "talk" thing. I took him for a ride in my Fox before I sold it and he was simply amazed at my totally different style of flying and probably the kind most of us do. We do not follow airways and sometimes we take off without a firm destination. He had long forgotten the 3D aspect of flying which I reintroduced him to. Anyway Ted, I see what your saying, I do not know what is best or what to do really, when I shoot a practice approach I have been reporting on unicom in "VFR talk", if I am also being monitored by ATC (from a nearby controlled airport) and they still have not handed me off to unicom then I make the required calls also per the FARs, they may say to report "saltt inbound, when I cross saltt and report inbound the usually hand me off to unicom and I make a second call on unicom, "Cooke Traffic, Cessna XXXZZ, 5 miles SW at 3000, straight in for 35". Usually, even when I stay with ATC for practice they hand me off to unicom and say to report back after missed for next approach or sometimes I request to do them all VFR/own navigation so I do not have to deal with ATC. In any case I give VFR traffic a proper position report I think they can relate to. This really is kind of complicated isn't it? It is snowing, yuk. Do Not Archive. JR ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:54:58 PM PST US From: mitchf@netscape.com (Mitchell Faatz) Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Flying comment --> RV-List message posted by: mitchf@netscape.com (Mitchell Faatz) I agree with JR, if you are flying IFR any self-announcements at non towered airports are for local VFR traffic and should be in terms VFR pilots can understand. VFR pilots won't know where to look necessarily for "inbound on the GPS-A approach for 31" but they had better understand "2 mile right base for 31". Mitch Faatz RV-6A Finish Kit San Mateo, CA Tedd McHenry wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry > >On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 JRWillJR@aol.com wrote: > > > >>the probelm >>with using IFR fixes, intersections etc is that the VFR guys don't know that >>stuff either. Giving an altitude such as 3000 or descending from 3000 tells >>the others guys that you are working down from 3000 to pattern altitude. What >>do the pro pilots think? Do Not Archive JR >> >> > >You raise a good point, that VFR pilots don't necessarily know where to look >for IFR traffic, especially at uncontrolled fields they're not familiar with. >The good news is that IFR traffic is pretty predictable, so it shouldn't take >local VFR pilots long to know where to look, at the fields they normally fly >at. > >But IFR terminology and radio procedures are pretty tightly defined. I don't >think altering them is a good idea. VFR pilots who want to improve their >look-out for IFR traffic should probably learn the basics of approach plates, >so they can familiarize themsevles with where traffic might be at fields where >they anticipate a problem. > >Tedd McHenry >Surrey, BC >-6 wings > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:46 PM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying Comment --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" Would that also include the designator RV7?? Larry in Indiana, working on RV7 to be named 3XG if its girl. Or 3XB if its a nose wheeler. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Perry" Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying Comment > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Perry" > > From an ATC side.....There are a bazillion different experimentals out > there. We like to know what kind so that we can quote traffic and get some > idea of the aircraft performance. When filing if your aircraft does not > have an approved designator or you are not sure, use HXA (speeds < 90kts), > HXB (speeds 90-190kts), and HXC (speeds > 191kts) all the RV designators are > approved....RV4, RV6,RV8, etc... > > Ed Perry > eperry@san.rr.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Rozendaal" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying Comment > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" > > > > Most operating limitations on experimental aircraft require that you > notify > > "ATC" that your aircraft is experimental. "RV240" is legal and fine for > > unicom, but on your first call to ATC (Center, Approach, & Tower), no > matter > > what ATC says, if your operating limitations read like mine, legally, you > > are supposed to say "experimental." > > > > For me it usually goes like this, > > > > "Minney Center, RV 240." > > > > They often respond "ARMY 240 go ahead" > > > > "Minneapolis, R,V, 240 is an experimental RV-4 with you at X.5 squawking > > 1200 blah blah blah....." > > > > After that it is "RV240" > > > > ATC could care less if your airplane is experimental, but the FEDs do. > > > > HO HO HO > > Doug Rozendaal > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Nolan" > > > > > > F.Y.I. > > > I've always used the term ( experimental N444JN ) when addressing > > ATC. After I got my instrument ticket, I used the same term a couple of > > times. ATC has never addressed me as experimental. I never use that term > > anymore. They let me know I was an RV4, not an experimental. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:01 PM PST US From: Scott Reichel Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Flying comment --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Reichel I agree that most VFR pilots could/would benefit from knowing more about how IFR traffic operates. But I also feel if you do not report where you are in a manner understandable by _all_ pilots, you're just asking for a student or some other low-time pilot to meet you midair. Of course, if you're in the soup with nothing but IFR pilots up, then there's no need to do so. But if you happen to be coming into an uncontrolled field on a CSVU Saturday afternoon, well, it's your lookout. Myself, I'd prefer not to bend metal. Making sure everybody can figure out where I am probably goes a long way towards that. -Scott R. suffering RV-7 dreams At 01:05 PM 12/23/2002 -0800, you wrote: >You raise a good point, that VFR pilots don't necessarily know where to look >for IFR traffic, especially at uncontrolled fields they're not familiar with. >The good news is that IFR traffic is pretty predictable, so it shouldn't take >local VFR pilots long to know where to look, at the fields they normally fly >at. > >But IFR terminology and radio procedures are pretty tightly defined. I don't >think altering them is a good idea. VFR pilots who want to improve their >look-out for IFR traffic should probably learn the basics of approach plates, >so they can familiarize themsevles with where traffic might be at fields where >they anticipate a problem. > >Tedd McHenry >Surrey, BC >-6 wings ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:40 PM PST US From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: Fw: RV-List: Flying Comment --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" Larry, I've never heard it expressed that way before; tail dragger as girls & nose draggers are boys. Well no wonder I get a Woody when I climb into my RV-4....... Chuck do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: LarryRobertHelming > Larry in Indiana, working on RV7 to be named 3XG if its girl. Or 3XB if its > a nose wheeler. > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:41 PM PST US From: Tedd McHenry Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Flying comment --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry Sorry, I didn't pick up on the original post being specifically about practice IFR approaches in VFR weather. I agree with what's been said about making additional calls on tower or UNICOM as appropriate, in a manner than makes sense to VFR pilots. Perhaps this is a place for "break break" (or is that used in the U.S.)? When the IFR approaches are instructional, as opposed to practice, I don't think you can expect the student (or pilot being checked out) to be making these calls, but where practical the instructor can make them. Tedd McHenry Surrey, BC -6 wings ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:55 PM PST US From: "Jerry Calvert" Subject: Re: RV-List: Stiffening tip-up canopy - yes or no --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" When I ordered them I just told them what I needed and they sent it. Any -7 or -9 tip-up builders know the part #? Jerry Calvert Edmond Ok -6 N296JC(res) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" Subject: Re: RV-List: Stiffening tip-up canopy - yes or no > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave" > > What are the part numbers of the stiffeners for the 7? > > Thanks, > > Dave > RV-6 > The need for speed--> > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" > > > > The cost of the 3-piece canopy stiffner was a little over $20. > > > > Jerry Calvert > > Edmond Ok > > -6 N296JC(res) > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:50 PM PST US From: "Ed's Compuserve" Subject: RV-List: RV-8 Canopy Replacement --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed's Compuserve" Can anyone on list provide me a phone number for Todd's Canopy's. I understand he is located in Florida. Searching Archives references him but no address provided. Thanks Ed O'Connor/RV-8/Working on Instruments installing Blue Mountain EFIS 1 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:14 PM PST US From: "Bob Hassel" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-8 Canopy Replacement --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" Try this link: http://www.kgarden.com/todd/ He has a really good reputation for the Cozy canopies. Bob Hassel RV9A Plano, Tx -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ed's Compuserve Subject: RV-List: RV-8 Canopy Replacement --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed's Compuserve" Can anyone on list provide me a phone number for Todd's Canopy's. I understand he is located in Florida. Searching Archives references him but no address provided. Thanks Ed O'Connor/RV-8/Working on Instruments installing Blue Mountain EFIS 1 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:42 PM PST US From: Robert McCallum Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Canopy Replacement --> RV-List message posted by: Robert McCallum Ed's Compuserve wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed's Compuserve" > > Can anyone on list provide me a phone number for Todd's Canopy's. I > understand he is located in Florida. Searching Archives references him but > no address provided. Thanks > Ed O'Connor/RV-8/Working on Instruments installing Blue Mountain EFIS 1 Try this link. The address is at the bottom of the home page. http://www.kgarden.com/todd/ -- Bob McC DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:27 PM PST US From: JhnstnIII@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Canopy Replacement --> RV-List message posted by: JhnstnIII@aol.com try aircraftextras.com ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:25 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: RV-List: Placement of flux detector --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" Folks, I'm trying to figure out the best place to install my flux detector for my NSD-1000 in my RV6A slider... So far, the turtledeck area up high and aft seems to be the best place as it is the closest that I can come to 18" away from the nearest steel. I'm looking for anyone that has put one of these into their planes to help... Thanks, Ralph Capen ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:42 PM PST US From: "Vince Himsl" Subject: RE: RV-List: Seat Bottoms --> RV-List message posted by: "Vince Himsl" Came across interesting web site showing recommended types and depths of "Temper Foam" that might be helpful at: http://www.keesgoebel.com/t.foam.htm Flyer from "Hi-Tech Foams" http://www.seatfoam.com recommends seat bottoms be 1"soft,1"med,1"firm, with remainder filled with builders styrofoam or the Firm tempor foam. Hope this helps, Vince Himsl RV8 fuselage Moscow, ID USA "Well, it's news to me!" ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:47 PM PST US From: WPAerial@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Albany Or. 699WP 1st flight --> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com Merry Christmas to me! 699WP RV6A had its first flight today :-) Boy it was GOOD! 6 years 8 months 2014 hours 1056 lb. empty weight 0-320 160 HP from power sports in BC fixed pitch prop under $40,000 Jerry Wilken Albany Oregon Happy New Year do not archive ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:28 PM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: RV-List: Albany Or. 699WP 1st flight --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Way to Go!! What better Christmas present?!! I guess we don't really need to wish you a Happy New Year,..But Happy New Year anyway. Jim in Kelowna do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Albany Or. 699WP 1st flight > --> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com > > Merry Christmas to me! > > 699WP RV6A had its first flight today :-) > > Boy it was GOOD! > > > 6 years 8 months > 2014 hours > 1056 lb. empty weight > 0-320 160 HP from power sports in BC > fixed pitch prop > under $40,000 > > Jerry Wilken > Albany Oregon > > Happy New Year > > do not archive > >