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1. 12:07 AM - Firewall penetration of Prop control cable (Jim Jewell)
2. 12:27 AM - Re: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? (Rob Prior)
3. 05:47 AM - Re: UPDATE #2 ... Random (engine??) "POP" (Ollie Washburn)
4. 06:10 AM - Todds Canopies (Al Grajek)
5. 06:16 AM - Re: Re: RV-8 Canopy skirt (Larry Bowen)
6. 06:36 AM - Re: Re: RV-8 Canopy skirt (John Huft)
7. 06:46 AM - Re: Todds Canopies (Larry Hawkins)
8. 06:58 AM - Re: Todds Canopies (Rv8don@aol.com)
9. 07:05 AM - Re: Firewall penetration of Prop control cable (Richard Dudley)
10. 07:23 AM - Re: Todds Canopies (John Huft)
11. 08:39 AM - Re: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? (Norman)
12. 08:53 AM - Belly antenna (Austin)
13. 08:55 AM - Re: UPDATE #2 ... Random (engine??) "POP" (James E. Clark)
14. 09:21 AM - Alodine treatment (Bruce Anthony)
15. 09:22 AM - Re: Belly antenna (Larry Hawkins)
16. 09:42 AM - Re: Alodine treatment (Kyle Boatright)
17. 10:12 AM - Re: Alodine treatment (David Carter)
18. 10:25 AM - where was that picture (JRWillJR@aol.com)
19. 10:29 AM - Re: Alodine treatment (Gannon, Terence)
20. 12:13 PM - [ Fred Stucklen ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
21. 12:47 PM - Re: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? (Jim Oke)
22. 02:59 PM - Re: where was that picture (Sam Buchanan)
23. 03:05 PM - Hartzell Prop for Sale (Duane Bentley)
24. 03:10 PM - Re: Alodine treatment (Jim Jewell)
25. 04:11 PM - Re: Alodine treatment (Stein Bruch)
26. 04:56 PM - Re: 2003 Calendar (Larry Bowen)
27. 05:07 PM - Navaid SOLD (Ken Brooks)
28. 05:58 PM - Re: 2003 Calendar (Ross Schlotthauer)
29. 05:58 PM - Re: 2003 Calendar (Ross Schlotthauer)
30. 05:58 PM - Re: 2003 Calendar (Ross Schlotthauer)
31. 05:58 PM - Re: 2003 Calendar (Ross Schlotthauer)
32. 05:58 PM - Re: Alodine treatment (Brian Armstrong)
33. 07:07 PM - IO-360-A power spreadsheet - need to fix errors (Kevin Horton)
34. 07:33 PM - Re: Hartzell Prop for Sale (Norman)
35. 07:37 PM - Re: 2003 Calendar (Jerry Springer)
36. 07:48 PM - Re: 2003 Calendar (Norman)
37. 08:48 PM - w-822 inspection hole covers (Robert Moser)
38. 09:12 PM - Re: w-822 inspection hole covers (Charles Kuss)
39. 09:19 PM - Re: 2003 Calendar (Larry Bowen)
40. 09:21 PM - Re: w-822 inspection hole covers (Larry Bowen)
41. 10:03 PM - Re: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? (Steven DiNieri)
42. 10:43 PM - Re: w-822 inspection hole covers (Ed Holyoke)
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| Subject: | Firewall penetration of Prop control cable |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Happy New Year,
Does anyone have a coordinate position for the hole in the firewall that the C/S
prop govenor control cable will pass through?
For instance: X number of inches up from the fuselage bottom flange.
Y number of inches in from the left side skin flange.
For some reason I just can't picture it's position
I'm Building a 6a with an O-360-A1A. The cable I have is the 45.5" one from Van's.
Thanks in advance,
Jim in Kelowna
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| Subject: | Re: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
This is in fact exactly what I intend to do when I order my wing kit.
Legal or not, I have no intention of paying PST/GST on shipping from
Oregon to the border (I can see paying PST/GST on the shipping from the
border to my house, but i'd be surprised if the CCRA staff would
pro-rate the charge). Invoice the shipping separately, and only provide
the cost of the *parts* to the CCRA (Canadian Customs and Revenue
Agency) staff. That's all you're physically importing anyway.
I actually hope to save more by either picking up the kit myself at the
factory or by getting it shipped to a location just inside the US
border. I'll then carry it across the border myself, and there won't be
any question of freight/handling/brokerage charges.
I'm surprised that the PST/GST on the freight is a significant amount,
though... Can you tell me (and the list, i'm sure other Canadians want
to know this as well) what it cost to have your kit (and how much of it,
exactly?) shipped to Canada? If you're willing? 8-)
-RB4
Norman wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" <nhunger@sprint.ca>
>
> This post aimed at Canadian residents only. All others may as well DELETE now.
Sorry.
>
> I just noticed on a recent shipment that our customs department is charging me
7% GST and 7.5% PST on the Canadian dollar equivelant of the total cost of the
shipment. This includes the freight charge. What a burn. Can some one who has
recently gotten a large kit shipment from Van or Mark have a look at your Canada
Customs Postal Import Form (the grey slip you have to pay on arrival) and
let us know if you had to pay Canadian taxes on American freight charges too?
>
> If so, it would seem to me that a Canadian could save quite a few dollars over
the course of the whole project by insisting at time of order to pay the shipping
separately, perhaps by credit card over the phone. Have the shipper send
your freight charge receipt by post in a reg sized envelope and let the large
shipment arrive with the accurate cost of the parts enclosed.
>
> Is this legal?
> Would it work?
>
> Things that make you go hmmm......
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: UPDATE #2 ... Random (engine??) "POP" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn" <skybolt-aviator@msn.com>
Hi James--------I'm just curious as to why you are using aircraft plugs instead
of supplied auto plugs?
Ollie 6A (Jeff's on rt.)
----- Original Message -----
From: James E. Clark
Subject: RV-List: UPDATE #2 ... Random (engine??) "POP"
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <jclark@conterra.com>
First, I must mention that Jeff Rose was such a delight to chat with on the
phone about this matter. He is sending to me some of the "improved" rubber
grommets for the plug wires. (ElectroAir users will know what this is).
Again THANKS(!!!) to all who sent in suggestions. I still may need to
followup on each.
James
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Al Grajek" <algrajek@msn.com>
Does anybody have an email address for Todd Silver at Todds Canopies?
Thanks
Al Grajek
algrajek@msn.com
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Canopy skirt |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Bowen <lcbowen@yahoo.com>
The line is there, but cloaked. You have to hold it just right under a bright
light, tilt your head, stick your tongue out, etc. I marked mine with a
Sharpie as I found it, then connected the dots.
LB
2003 - The year of flight.
--- Tracy Crook <lors01@msn.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
>
> I'm just starting to fit the RV-8 canopy skirt and I'm stuck on the step
> where it says to trim the skirt 1/4" away from the "scribed line". Look as
> I may, there is no trace of a scribed line, mold line, or anything
> resembling either.
>
> Can any of you RV-8 builders give me an idea of where the top & bottom of
> the skirt ends up relative to canopy frame (top) and junction of top & side
> Fuselage skins (bottom)?
>
> Also, everything seems to fit fairly well except for the rear 1/3 of the
> skirt at the top edge. It stands out away from the canopy bubble by at
> least 1/3", way more than will ever lay down when pop riveted to the canopy
> frame. Looks like I'll have to trim most of the top edge above the rivet
> line away and lay up some glass to fair it into the canopy bubble. Common
> story?
>
> Tracy Crook
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Canopy skirt |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Huft" <rv8tor@lazy8.net>
Last question first, yes, common story. Do you have the 1-piece or 2-piece
skirt? If you have a 1-piece skirt, you need to convert it into a 2-piece
skirt, by cutting it on the rear centerline. After it is all fitted and
riveted, you will custom glass the back together.
The skirt has a radius that fits into the junction of plexi and frame. Using
a little homemade radius tool with a center line, I went around and marked
the center of this radius. I used this line as a reference to trim the upper
edge. I then drilled holes and clecko'd the skirt on. Then, using the seams
in the sheet metal as guides, I trimmed the lower edges. I made the lower
edges line up with the edges of the top cowl skin and the turtledeck skin
(looks nice). I tried to make the upper edge of the skirt line up with the
upper edge of the windscreen skirt (failed, but not too bad).
I made sure the upper trim line was straight before riveting, so I wouldn't
have to sand up against the plexi. There are some pictures of my windscreen
skirt at www.lazy8.net/rv8.html
Good luck, John
Pagosa Springs, CO
RV8 30 hrs (10 to go!)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tracy Crook
Subject: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Canopy skirt
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
I'm just starting to fit the RV-8 canopy skirt and I'm stuck on the step
where it says to trim the skirt 1/4" away from the "scribed line". Look as
I may, there is no trace of a scribed line, mold line, or anything
resembling either.
Can any of you RV-8 builders give me an idea of where the top & bottom of
the skirt ends up relative to canopy frame (top) and junction of top & side
Fuselage skins (bottom)?
Also, everything seems to fit fairly well except for the rear 1/3 of the
skirt at the top edge. It stands out away from the canopy bubble by at
least 1/3", way more than will ever lay down when pop riveted to the canopy
frame. Looks like I'll have to trim most of the top edge above the rivet
line away and lay up some glass to fair it into the canopy bubble. Common
story?
Tracy Crook
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--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Hawkins <lhawkins@giant.com>
http://www.kgarden.com/todd/
-----Original Message-----
From: Al Grajek [mailto:algrajek@msn.com]
Subject: RV-List: Todds Canopies
--> RV-List message posted by: "Al Grajek" <algrajek@msn.com>
Does anybody have an email address for Todd Silver at Todds Canopies?
Thanks
Al Grajek
algrajek@msn.com
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RE: RV-List: Todds Canopies
<A HREF"http://www.kgarden.com/todd/" TARGET"_blank">http://www.kgarden.com/todd/
-----Original Message-----
From: Al Grajek [<A HREF"mailto:algrajek@msn.com">mailto:algrajek@msn.com]
Subject: RV-List: Todds Canopies
-- RV-List message posted by: Al Grajek algrajek@msn.com
Does anybody have an email address for Todd Silver at Todds Canopies?
Thanks
Al Grajek
algrajek@msn.com
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| Subject: | Re: Todds Canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rv8don@aol.com
Al,
It is:
Todd Silver
Todd's Canopies
1445 NE 33rd St.
Ft Lauderdale, FL 33334
(954) 579-0874
Got a canopy from Todd a couple of months ago. Nice quality and Todd was
good to work with.
Regards,
-Don
RV8 NJ
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall penetration of Prop control cable |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Jim,
Page 18 of First Issue 2001 of RVator has a diagram of engine control
penetrations. If you don't have it, I can send you an image. It is
referenced from the left side vertical row of rivets in the firewall and
the top row of rivets. The X= 7-7/32 and the Y= 4-17/32. So, the cable
makes a 90 degree turn to the right to reach the governor.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
-6A FWF
Jim Jewell wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>
> Happy New Year,
>
> Does anyone have a coordinate position for the hole in the firewall that the
C/S prop govenor control cable will pass through?
> For instance: X number of inches up from the fuselage bottom flange.
> Y number of inches in from the left side skin flange.
>
> For some reason I just can't picture it's position
> I'm Building a 6a with an O-360-A1A. The cable I have is the 45.5" one from Van's.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Jim in Kelowna
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Huft" <rv8tor@lazy8.net>
Bsilver05@aol.com
954579-0874
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Al Grajek
Subject: RV-List: Todds Canopies
--> RV-List message posted by: "Al Grajek" <algrajek@msn.com>
Does anybody have an email address for Todd Silver at Todds Canopies?
Thanks
Al Grajek
algrajek@msn.com
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| Subject: | Re: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" <nhunger@sprint.ca>
> I actually hope to save more by either picking up the kit myself at the
> factory or by getting it shipped to a location just inside the US
> border. I'll then carry it across the border myself, and there won't be
> any question of freight/handling/brokerage charges.
>
> I'm surprised that the PST/GST on the freight is a significant amount,
> though... Can you tell me (and the list, i'm sure other Canadians want
> to know this as well) what it cost to have your kit (and how much of it,
> exactly?) shipped to Canada? If you're willing? 8-)
I have had all my big kit shipments sent to Can-Amer in Blaine Washington. I
drive down and pick them up myself. All you need is to borrow a pick up
truck. I live only about ten miles north of the bourder but the difference
in shipping rates between domestic and international is more than double.
Plus there is no brokerage when you go and import it yourself. My finish kit
freight charge was $67. Landed in Canada it would have been more like $300.
You fellas living in other parts of the world are going to want to seriously
look into this. I can't imagine how much it costs to ship the large crates
to South Africa or Austrailia. You might be able to save a small fortune by
having the freight charges paid on a separate invoice and getting that
invoice sent in a separate letter. Find out if your customs agents are
removing that cost from the shipment total before they are calculating your
duties owed.
Norman Hunger
Do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Austin" <6430@axion.net>
Greetings y'all..
I need a bent whip antenna for the belly of my
6.....anybody have one to sell me ?
Austin.
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| Subject: | UPDATE #2 ... Random (engine??) "POP" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <jclark@conterra.com>
Jeff actually recommends the use of aircraft plugs.
He was not against auto plugs ... I specifially asked if maybe we should
change. But, per him the aviation plugs should give better performance.
Also, we have the same plugs upper and lower ...just a different gapping.
Yes, automotive would work.
I must repeat to all, we have NOT determined conclusively that we have a
"fix" yet.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ollie Washburn
> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 8:43 AM
> To: RV-List Matronics
> Subject: Re: RV-List: UPDATE #2 ... Random (engine??) "POP"
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn" <skybolt-aviator@msn.com>
>
> Hi James--------I'm just curious as to why you are using
> aircraft plugs instead of supplied auto plugs?
> Ollie 6A (Jeff's on rt.)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James E. Clark
> To: Rv-List@Matronics.Com
> Subject: RV-List: UPDATE #2 ... Random (engine??) "POP"
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <jclark@conterra.com>
>
> First, I must mention that Jeff Rose was such a delight to chat
> with on the
> phone about this matter. He is sending to me some of the "improved" rubber
> grommets for the plug wires. (ElectroAir users will know what this is).
>
>
> Again THANKS(!!!) to all who sent in suggestions. I still may need to
> followup on each.
>
> James
>
>
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Alodine treatment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Anthony" <bruce.anthony@holidaycompanies.com>
I am approaching the stage in my RV-9A empennage construction where I need to make
a decision on corrosion treatment. I've done a lot of investigation and reading
on the subject, and since I live in a relatively dry, non-salty climate,
I plan to just alodine the interior surfaces. Also I'm a big guy and every
paint pound counts.
I have only a couple last unanswered questions. One poster in the archive said
that alodine surfaces are brittle, but I haven't seen any reports from anyone
where the treatment actually failed. I am wondering how a failure of the surface
is manifested. Small cracks? Sloughing of the treated surface? Flaking?
Anyone have experience with a corrosion or mechanical/chemical failure of an
alodined aluminum surface? Has anyone done only this and wished later they had
primed as well?
I'm attending a meeting of corrosion experts (I am not one) in February. I'll
ask around on the subject, and if I learn anything new, I'll report back to the
list.
Bruce Anthony
RV-9A
Empennage in my garage
Rosemount, MN
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--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Hawkins <lhawkins@giant.com>
Austin
I have an older one that you can have for free. Just give me your mailing
address.
Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, flying
-----Original Message-----
From: Austin [mailto:6430@axion.net]
Subject: RV-List: Belly antenna
--> RV-List message posted by: "Austin" <6430@axion.net>
Greetings y'all..
I need a bent whip antenna for the belly of my
6.....anybody have one to sell me ?
Austin.
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Austin
I have an older one that you can have for free. Just give me your mailing address.
Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, flying
-----Original Message-----
From: Austin [<A HREF"mailto:6430@axion.net">mailto:6430@axion.net]
Subject: RV-List: Belly antenna
-- RV-List message posted by: Austin 6430@axion.net
Greetings y'all..
I need a bent whip antenna for the belly of my
6.....anybody have one to sell me ?
Austin.
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| Subject: | Re: Alodine treatment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
Alodine is a VERY thin chemical conversion of the top layer of the aluminum.
If it gets scratched, you've lost the barrier. It doesn't add material, so
there is no material to come loose.
Anodizing (another process entirely) makes the surface of the part more
brittle. Yes, our spars are anodized. Van says it really doesn't matter,
as you'll get 12,000 (?) hours out of the anodized spar, more with the
un-anodized spar. Again, this isn't a coating, it is a transformation of
the metal.
Check the archives, but I think you'll find that it is a LOT of work to
alodine your entire kit, and you may find that it isn't worth the investment
of your time and money.
If you're looking for a good solution for a non-salty, dry climate, I'd say
prime (pick a brand) the faying surfaces, and leave the remainder unprimed.
The airplane will be lighter, you'll have saved time and money, and you'll
have protected the areas that are most likely to corrode.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Anthony" <bruce.anthony@holidaycompanies.com>
Subject: RV-List: Alodine treatment
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Anthony"
<bruce.anthony@holidaycompanies.com>
>
> I am approaching the stage in my RV-9A empennage construction where I need
to make a decision on corrosion treatment. I've done a lot of investigation
and reading on the subject, and since I live in a relatively dry, non-salty
climate, I plan to just alodine the interior surfaces. Also I'm a big guy
and every paint pound counts.
>
> I have only a couple last unanswered questions. One poster in the archive
said that alodine surfaces are brittle, but I haven't seen any reports from
anyone where the treatment actually failed. I am wondering how a failure of
the surface is manifested. Small cracks? Sloughing of the treated surface?
Flaking? Anyone have experience with a corrosion or mechanical/chemical
failure of an alodined aluminum surface? Has anyone done only this and
wished later they had primed as well?
>
> I'm attending a meeting of corrosion experts (I am not one) in February.
I'll ask around on the subject, and if I learn anything new, I'll report
back to the list.
>
>
> Bruce Anthony
> RV-9A
> Empennage in my garage
> Rosemount, MN
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alodine treatment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
Bruce,
Alodine is a form of acid etch treatment (3 minute wetting of surface and
some scuffing with red Scotch Bright pad) and the only visible change to the
aluminum surface is a slight gold tint - if you buy the "gold" alodine
instead of the "clear". There is no "brittle" or "hard surface" change to
aluminum.
- Alodine, alone, without corrosion control primer, does NOTHING for
corrosion resistance - it is ENTIRELY to promote adhesion of paint.
ANODIZING is an electrical coating process that does give a hard surface
"layer" - it changes the molecules on the surface - there is some mention of
"brittle" - it is a "harder" surface than plan, un-anodized aluminum.
I use gold tint alodine - the gold tint is rather faint - grows fainter as
the chemical is "used up" as you run several pieces through the same batch
of liquid. Also, either ALCLAD (pure aluminum) or the alloys (6064, etc)
take a more bright color tint - I forget which way it goes. In other words,
some parts will hardly change color at all - don't worry about it - except,
if the parts that SHOULD change color don't, then it is probably time to
toss that batch of liquid and pour in some fresh stuff.
The process I've used is this, based on calls to tech service of all
suppliers of stuff I'm using: 1) Put on latex rubber exam gloves when
handling parts to be cleaned, alodined, and painted - keeps body oils off
parts - body oils don't help paint adhesion. 2) Wash parts in warm water
in kitchen sink or bathtub (to remove oil from manufacturing/rolling/forming
processes, & body oils, etc) using liquid dish soap, and scrub with red
Scotch Bright pad ( I cut off little 1/2 inch by 1 inch pieces from the big
10 inch or so square pieces that you buy), then rinse, and blot & blow dry
(don't want minerals from city water to be left behind). 3) Wet in alodine
for 3' and a bit of scrubbing with SB pad. 4) Paint with your choice of
corrosion control primer - on same day, before 24 hours is up or whatever it
says on the label.
I'd go with Deft, a PARTLY water based 2 part epoxy system that cleans up
with water (about 90% and a bit of solvent for final cleaning. The stuff
will still kill you if you breath it - is is no safer than my solvent-based
strontium chomate 2 part epoxy primer - DEFT also has the strontium chromate
and other nasty stuff - wear a good mask.
- Solvent based stuff: Solvent is very volitile and evaporate rapidly,
causing primer to thicken up, go on too thick, and weigh more - have to keep
thinning.
- Don't think Deft has nearly as much solvent - if any - so should stay
same consistency.
To cut weight of paint, you only need to spray along lines where two parts
will be in physical contact, like a row of rivet holes in a skin where it
will be riveted to a rib or spar. And, seems to me, that painting only one
of the parts to be in contact would be satisfactory. So, you don't have to
paint every side and every square inch of every part. There is difference
of experience and opinion on when & if you will have corrosion on a skin
area that is not in contact with anything - if you want to paint inside of
bottom skins that might collect junk from the air, then do so. I wouldn't,
on my next airplane, paint the inside of upper skins - very little
probability of corrosion there.
- Also, re weight of primer: My primer is supposed to go on 0.7 mils
thick - very thin layer. Can read marking pen ink thru that thin a layer.
Don't know about Deft - call their tech supt.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Anthony" <bruce.anthony@holidaycompanies.com>
Subject: RV-List: Alodine treatment
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Anthony"
<bruce.anthony@holidaycompanies.com>
>
> I am approaching the stage in my RV-9A empennage construction where I need
to make a decision on corrosion treatment. I've done a lot of investigation
and reading on the subject, and since I live in a relatively dry, non-salty
climate, I plan to just alodine the interior surfaces. Also I'm a big guy
and every paint pound counts.
>
> I have only a couple last unanswered questions. One poster in the archive
said that alodine surfaces are brittle, but I haven't seen any reports from
anyone where the treatment actually failed. I am wondering how a failure of
the surface is manifested. Small cracks? Sloughing of the treated surface?
Flaking? Anyone have experience with a corrosion or mechanical/chemical
failure of an alodined aluminum surface? Has anyone done only this and
wished later they had primed as well?
>
> I'm attending a meeting of corrosion experts (I am not one) in February.
I'll ask around on the subject, and if I learn anything new, I'll report
back to the list.
>
>
> Bruce Anthony
> RV-9A
> Empennage in my garage
> Rosemount, MN
>
>
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| Subject: | where was that picture |
--> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com
Where was that picture used for the Jan 2003 desktop from VWWAF taken? It is
nice. Do Not Archive. JR
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| Subject: | Alodine treatment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gannon, Terence" <Terence.Gannon@trican.ca>
Bruce -- others who are more expert may correct me, but I think you
might be confusing anodizing with alodining. Alodining is usually the
second step in a three step priming process (clean, alodine, prime) and
as far as I know, there is no issue with making the part brittle with
alodining. The issue (if in fact there is one) of embrittlement is
related to anodizing, which is an electrolytic process, totally
different from alodining. I realize that I haven't answered your
central question, but I thought that would contribute the little I do
know ;-)
Cheers...
Terry in Calgary
RV-6 S/N 24414
"Wings"
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Anthony [mailto:bruce.anthony@holidaycompanies.com]
Subject: RV-List: Alodine treatment
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Anthony"
--> <bruce.anthony@holidaycompanies.com>
I am approaching the stage in my RV-9A empennage construction where I
need to make a decision on corrosion treatment. I've done a lot of
investigation and reading on the subject, and since I live in a
relatively dry, non-salty climate, I plan to just alodine the interior
surfaces. Also I'm a big guy and every paint pound counts.
I have only a couple last unanswered questions. One poster in the
archive said that alodine surfaces are brittle, but I haven't seen any
reports from anyone where the treatment actually failed. I am wondering
how a failure of the surface is manifested. Small cracks? Sloughing of
the treated surface? Flaking? Anyone have experience with a corrosion
or mechanical/chemical failure of an alodined aluminum surface? Has
anyone done only this and wished later they had primed as well?
I'm attending a meeting of corrosion experts (I am not one) in February.
I'll ask around on the subject, and if I learn anything new, I'll report
back to the list.
Bruce Anthony
RV-9A
Empennage in my garage
Rosemount, MN
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| Subject: | Re: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Norman;
I checked a few of my postal clearance forms and both times I was charged
PST/GST only on the cost of the items. Both were from Vans and in both cases
the US Postal Service form #2976 filled out by Vans did show the value of
the goods separately from the cost of shipping. Value for duty and taxes was
based on the value of the goods only which I would consider correct.
If the shipping and cost of the goods are shown separately on the paperwork
I would say that you should be able to go back and get a refund of the
PST/GST that you paid on the US shipping. After all there should be some
service provided for the $5.00 processing fee that I expect you were charged
as well.
As per your later e-mail, I also have had my big kit crates shipped to point
just short of the border (the big city of Pembina, ND) and picked them up
myself as a personal importation. Yes, there is significant cost savings in
this by my experience as well. You even avoid the $5,00 postal service
charge!
Also, hold onto your customs paperwork as proof of payment of PST/GST. When
you finally go for your C of R, the feds will tell your provincial tax
department about your new airplane "purchase" and you will get a letter
demanding payment of the applicable PST. A copy of the customs forms for the
bigger ticket items should convince them that you have already paid the tax.
Jim Oke
RV-6A
Paying taxes in Winnipeg, MB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman" <nhunger@sprint.ca>
Subject: RV-List: Can Canadians can save money on shipments?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" <nhunger@sprint.ca>
>
> This post aimed at Canadian residents only. All others may as well DELETE
now. Sorry.
>
> I just noticed on a recent shipment that our customs department is
charging me 7% GST and 7.5% PST on the Canadian dollar equivelant of the
total cost of the shipment. This includes the freight charge. What a burn.
Can some one who has recently gotten a large kit shipment from Van or Mark
have a look at your Canada Customs Postal Import Form (the grey slip you
have to pay on arrival) and let us know if you had to pay Canadian taxes on
American freight charges too?
>
> If so, it would seem to me that a Canadian could save quite a few dollars
over the course of the whole project by insisting at time of order to pay
the shipping separately, perhaps by credit card over the phone. Have the
shipper send your freight charge receipt by post in a reg sized envelope and
let the large shipment arrive with the accurate cost of the parts enclosed.
>
> Is this legal?
> Would it work?
>
> Things that make you go hmmm......
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: where was that picture |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
JRWillJR@aol.com wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com
>
> Where was that picture used for the Jan 2003 desktop from VWWAF taken? It is
> nice. Do Not Archive. JR
It really is a nice image!
Info on the photo is at the same place you download the image:
http://www.metronet.com/~dreeves/wallpaper_instructions.htm
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Hartzell Prop for Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Duane Bentley" <dbentley@fuse.net>
I have decided to go to a composite prop on my RV6 ( still finishing) with
0-360 engine. I have a new C/S Hartzell Prop and McCauley governor I bought
from Vans a while back that have never been run. I'll sell both for less
than Van's lists today and they are available now. Contact me off line
Duane Bentley
N515DB (reserved)
RV6 finishing electrical wiring
West Chester, OH
513-777-5491
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| Subject: | Re: Alodine treatment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Bruce,
Anodizing does have embrittlement issues attached to it. The trade off is
between how long before corrosion of the anodized part becomes problematic
and the overall anodized part service life. It seems that an anodized part
is expected to have a good service life for a period longer than the
expected service life of the assembled airworthy aircraft. The un-Anodized
part would have twice that expected service life as long as corrosion is
avoided or kept out of the equation. I can not say which is the better road
to travel. There is a notable amount of info in the archives if my memory
serves me.
A prime reason to do chemical Alodining is to stop Filform corrosion.
Filform corrosion is disused in the Van's builders instruction on page 13-3.
Alodine treatment is best done immediately after the phosphoric acid
treatment is rinsed and dried. Alodine crystallizes the surface locking out
aluminum oxidization that begins the instant that oxygen reaches it.
This surface crystallization stabilizes the oxide formation and provides a
good footing or grip for the application of corrosion protection or
priming.
I don't think that Alodining has any positive/negative structural effect
such as with Anodizing as described above.
Alodine when properly applied should give a gold yellow sheen to the
surfaces it is applied to. It should not be allowed to get to dark gold or
brown as this lends itself to surface flaking.
Happy building
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Anthony" <bruce.anthony@holidaycompanies.com>
Subject: RV-List: Alodine treatment
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Anthony"
<bruce.anthony@holidaycompanies.com>
>
> I am approaching the stage in my RV-9A empennage construction where I need
to make a decision on corrosion treatment. I've done a lot of investigation
and reading on the subject, and since I live in a relatively dry, non-salty
climate, I plan to just alodine the interior surfaces. Also I'm a big guy
and every paint pound counts.
>
> I have only a couple last unanswered questions. One poster in the archive
said that alodine surfaces are brittle, but I haven't seen any reports from
anyone where the treatment actually failed. I am wondering how a failure of
the surface is manifested. Small cracks? Sloughing of the treated surface?
Flaking? Anyone have experience with a corrosion or mechanical/chemical
failure of an alodined aluminum surface? Has anyone done only this and
wished later they had primed as well?
>
> I'm attending a meeting of corrosion experts (I am not one) in February.
I'll ask around on the subject, and if I learn anything new, I'll report
back to the list.
>
>
> Bruce Anthony
> RV-9A
> Empennage in my garage
> Rosemount, MN
>
>
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| Subject: | Alodine treatment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Hi Bruce,
2 things here, Apples & Oranges.... Both provide some level of corrosion
protection, but:
Alodine...CHEMICAL COATING. Easy, economical, lightweight, effective, no
noxious fumes and fast.
Anodize...Electochemical Reaction. Not easily done at home (I've done it
and I know), produces toxic fumes, not to mention that the bath is sulfuric
acid and must have quite a high voltage applied to it which then produces a
toxic gas that must be ventilated away. Not pratical for corrosion
protection on the entire airplane.
Overall, I dip nearly every part of my plane, as the weight is nil, it's
fast, looks good, and the corrosion protection is as good or better than
most primers, short of Zinc Chromate. (ooops, shouldn't have gone there..
:)
Cheers,
Stein Bruch, Minneapolis
RV6, Flying
RV7, Empennage
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Anthony
Subject: RV-List: Alodine treatment
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Anthony"
<bruce.anthony@holidaycompanies.com>
I am approaching the stage in my RV-9A empennage construction where I need
to make a decision on corrosion treatment. I've done a lot of investigation
and reading on the subject, and since I live in a relatively dry, non-salty
climate, I plan to just alodine the interior surfaces. Also I'm a big guy
and every paint pound counts.
I have only a couple last unanswered questions. One poster in the archive
said that alodine surfaces are brittle, but I haven't seen any reports from
anyone where the treatment actually failed. I am wondering how a failure of
the surface is manifested. Small cracks? Sloughing of the treated surface?
Flaking? Anyone have experience with a corrosion or mechanical/chemical
failure of an alodined aluminum surface? Has anyone done only this and
wished later they had primed as well?
I'm attending a meeting of corrosion experts (I am not one) in February.
I'll ask around on the subject, and if I learn anything new, I'll report
back to the list.
Bruce Anthony
RV-9A
Empennage in my garage
Rosemount, MN
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Yes, I think I have a brain cramp cause by all this electrical stuff.
Anyway, I went to order the calendar, and guess what......SOLD OUT. :(
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
2003: The year of flight!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
> & Cathy Ervin
> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 12:05 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin"
> --> <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
>
> Larry, I also believe you are probably thinking of the
> Rvator Renewal. I usually pay that at the same time new
> calendars come out! All this building tends to fog the memory
> at times......or maybe it's trying to decide which primer is
> better!! Sorry but the list has been a little slow lately.
> Do Not Archive
> Tom in Ohio
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: 2003 Calendar
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
> >
> > Hmm. Maybe I'm thinking of the Rvator subscription....
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > -
> > Larry Bowen
> > Larry@BowenAero.com
> > http://BowenAero.com
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Tom & Cathy
> > > Ervin
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:09 PM
> > > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar
> > >
> > >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin"
> > > --> <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
> > >
> > > Larry, I got my "Van's 2003 Calender" about a month ago.
> > > Do Not Archive
> > > Tom in Ohio
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
> > > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: RV-List: 2003 Calendar
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
> <Larry@BowenAero.com>
> > > >
> > > > Anyone received the Van's 2003 calendar yet? I paid for two
> > > > years-worth last year, but no sign of the '03 yet ......
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > Larry Bowen
> > > > Larry@BowenAero.com
> > > > http://BowenAero.com
> > > > Do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" <kdbrv8r@charter.net>
Dear Listers--
The Navaid AP that I just listed YESTERDAY for $1150 is sold. I had
over 30 people interested. Thanks for the great response.
Do not Archive
Ken Brooks
Centennial edition RV-8
Roscoe, IL
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
list,
Was anyone else surprised that Vans included a 200 hp
RV6 in the calender. It seems to me that this could
be construed as supporting the mod.
Perhaps it is because it has the big 7 tail.
Ross Schlotthauer
RV7
--- Larry Bowen <Larry@bowenaero.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
> <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> Yes, I think I have a brain cramp cause by all this
> electrical stuff.
>
> Anyway, I went to order the calendar, and guess
> what......SOLD OUT. :(
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
> 2003: The year of flight!
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom
> > & Cathy Ervin
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 12:05 PM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin"
>
> > --> <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
> >
> > Larry, I also believe you are probably thinking
> of the
> > Rvator Renewal. I usually pay that at the same
> time new
> > calendars come out! All this building tends to fog
> the memory
> > at times......or maybe it's trying to decide which
> primer is
> > better!! Sorry but the list has been a little slow
> lately.
> > Do Not Archive
> > Tom in Ohio
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: RV-List: 2003 Calendar
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
> <Larry@BowenAero.com>
> > >
> > > Hmm. Maybe I'm thinking of the Rvator
> subscription....
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > -
> > > Larry Bowen
> > > Larry@BowenAero.com
> > > http://BowenAero.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of
> > Tom & Cathy
> > > > Ervin
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:09 PM
> > > > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > > > Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy
> Ervin"
> > > > --> <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
> > > >
> > > > Larry, I got my "Van's 2003 Calender" about a
> month ago.
> > > > Do Not Archive
> > > > Tom in Ohio
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
> > > > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: RV-List: 2003 Calendar
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
>
> > <Larry@BowenAero.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone received the Van's 2003 calendar yet?
> I paid for two
> > > > > years-worth last year, but no sign of the
> '03 yet ......
> > > > >
> > > > > -
> > > > > Larry Bowen
> > > > > Larry@BowenAero.com
> > > > > http://BowenAero.com
> > > > > Do not archive
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
list,
Was anyone else surprised that Vans included a 200 hp
RV6 in the calender. It seems to me that this could
be construed as supporting the mod.
Perhaps it is because it has the big 7 tail.
Ross Schlotthauer
RV7
--- Larry Bowen <Larry@bowenaero.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
> <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> Yes, I think I have a brain cramp cause by all this
> electrical stuff.
>
> Anyway, I went to order the calendar, and guess
> what......SOLD OUT. :(
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
> 2003: The year of flight!
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom
> > & Cathy Ervin
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 12:05 PM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin"
>
> > --> <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
> >
> > Larry, I also believe you are probably thinking
> of the
> > Rvator Renewal. I usually pay that at the same
> time new
> > calendars come out! All this building tends to fog
> the memory
> > at times......or maybe it's trying to decide which
> primer is
> > better!! Sorry but the list has been a little slow
> lately.
> > Do Not Archive
> > Tom in Ohio
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: RV-List: 2003 Calendar
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
> <Larry@BowenAero.com>
> > >
> > > Hmm. Maybe I'm thinking of the Rvator
> subscription....
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > -
> > > Larry Bowen
> > > Larry@BowenAero.com
> > > http://BowenAero.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of
> > Tom & Cathy
> > > > Ervin
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:09 PM
> > > > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > > > Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy
> Ervin"
> > > > --> <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
> > > >
> > > > Larry, I got my "Van's 2003 Calender" about a
> month ago.
> > > > Do Not Archive
> > > > Tom in Ohio
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
> > > > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: RV-List: 2003 Calendar
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
>
> > <Larry@BowenAero.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone received the Van's 2003 calendar yet?
> I paid for two
> > > > > years-worth last year, but no sign of the
> '03 yet ......
> > > > >
> > > > > -
> > > > > Larry Bowen
> > > > > Larry@BowenAero.com
> > > > > http://BowenAero.com
> > > > > Do not archive
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
list,
Was anyone else surprised that Vans included a 200 hp
RV6 in the calender. It seems to me that this could
be construed as supporting the mod.
Perhaps it is because it has the big 7 tail.
Ross Schlotthauer
RV7
--- Larry Bowen <Larry@bowenaero.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
> <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> Yes, I think I have a brain cramp cause by all this
> electrical stuff.
>
> Anyway, I went to order the calendar, and guess
> what......SOLD OUT. :(
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
> 2003: The year of flight!
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom
> > & Cathy Ervin
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 12:05 PM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin"
>
> > --> <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
> >
> > Larry, I also believe you are probably thinking
> of the
> > Rvator Renewal. I usually pay that at the same
> time new
> > calendars come out! All this building tends to fog
> the memory
> > at times......or maybe it's trying to decide which
> primer is
> > better!! Sorry but the list has been a little slow
> lately.
> > Do Not Archive
> > Tom in Ohio
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: RV-List: 2003 Calendar
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
> <Larry@BowenAero.com>
> > >
> > > Hmm. Maybe I'm thinking of the Rvator
> subscription....
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > -
> > > Larry Bowen
> > > Larry@BowenAero.com
> > > http://BowenAero.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of
> > Tom & Cathy
> > > > Ervin
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:09 PM
> > > > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > > > Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy
> Ervin"
> > > > --> <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
> > > >
> > > > Larry, I got my "Van's 2003 Calender" about a
> month ago.
> > > > Do Not Archive
> > > > Tom in Ohio
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
> > > > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: RV-List: 2003 Calendar
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
>
> > <Larry@BowenAero.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone received the Van's 2003 calendar yet?
> I paid for two
> > > > > years-worth last year, but no sign of the
> '03 yet ......
> > > > >
> > > > > -
> > > > > Larry Bowen
> > > > > Larry@BowenAero.com
> > > > > http://BowenAero.com
> > > > > Do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
list,
Was anyone else surprised that Vans included a 200 hp
RV6 in the calender. It seems to me that this could
be construed as supporting the mod.
Perhaps it is because it has the big 7 tail.
Ross Schlotthauer
RV7
--- Larry Bowen <Larry@bowenaero.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
> <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> Yes, I think I have a brain cramp cause by all this
> electrical stuff.
>
> Anyway, I went to order the calendar, and guess
> what......SOLD OUT. :(
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
> 2003: The year of flight!
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom
> > & Cathy Ervin
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 12:05 PM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin"
>
> > --> <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
> >
> > Larry, I also believe you are probably thinking
> of the
> > Rvator Renewal. I usually pay that at the same
> time new
> > calendars come out! All this building tends to fog
> the memory
> > at times......or maybe it's trying to decide which
> primer is
> > better!! Sorry but the list has been a little slow
> lately.
> > Do Not Archive
> > Tom in Ohio
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: RV-List: 2003 Calendar
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
> <Larry@BowenAero.com>
> > >
> > > Hmm. Maybe I'm thinking of the Rvator
> subscription....
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > -
> > > Larry Bowen
> > > Larry@BowenAero.com
> > > http://BowenAero.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of
> > Tom & Cathy
> > > > Ervin
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:09 PM
> > > > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > > > Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy
> Ervin"
> > > > --> <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
> > > >
> > > > Larry, I got my "Van's 2003 Calender" about a
> month ago.
> > > > Do Not Archive
> > > > Tom in Ohio
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
> > > > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: RV-List: 2003 Calendar
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
>
> > <Larry@BowenAero.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone received the Van's 2003 calendar yet?
> I paid for two
> > > > > years-worth last year, but no sign of the
> '03 yet ......
> > > > >
> > > > > -
> > > > > Larry Bowen
> > > > > Larry@BowenAero.com
> > > > > http://BowenAero.com
> > > > > Do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alodine treatment |
--> RV-List message posted by: Brian Armstrong <armstrbc@ucsub.colorado.edu>
Bruce,
I've never heard of alodine embrittling a surface. It's a very
light, brush-on coating that oxydizes the surface of the aluminum. Other
coatings that are more plating-oriented can have a brittling effect. I
work for a small airplane company, and we alodine just about every
aluminum part we make. I believe it to be completely harmless in
terms of mechanical properties. That said, anodizing makes a much better
corrosion protection. But it also makes for a much better headache!
Brian Armstrong
Englewood, Colorado
Do Not Archive
--
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Bruce Anthony wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Anthony" <bruce.anthony@holidaycompanies.com>
>
> I am approaching the stage in my RV-9A empennage construction where I need to
make a decision on corrosion treatment. I've done a lot of investigation and
reading on the subject, and since I live in a relatively dry, non-salty climate,
I plan to just alodine the interior surfaces. Also I'm a big guy and every
paint pound counts.
>
> I have only a couple last unanswered questions. One poster in the
archive said that alodine surfaces are brittle, but I haven't seen any reports
from anyone where the treatment actually failed. I am wondering how a failure
of the surface is manifested. Small cracks? Sloughing of the treated surface?
Flaking? Anyone have experience with a corrosion or mechanical/chemical failure
of an alodined aluminum surface? Has anyone done only this and wished later
they had primed as well?
>
> I'm attending a meeting of corrosion experts (I am not one) in February. I'll
ask around on the subject, and if I learn anything new, I'll report back to
the list.
>
>
> Bruce Anthony
> RV-9A
> Empennage in my garage
> Rosemount, MN
>
>
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| Subject: | IO-360-A power spreadsheet - need to fix errors |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
I found several errors in this spreadsheet that cause it to fail to
calculate at some rpm and manifold pressure conditions. There is also
a data error for 2000 rpm. I will post a corrected version on 4 Jan
2003 as soon as I do some more testing.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (baffles, induction air, oil cooler)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell Prop for Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" <nhunger@sprint.ca>
Sounds like an expensive change of plan Duane. Want to share with us the
reason why?
Norman
Do not archive
> I have decided to go to a composite prop on my RV6 ( still finishing) with
> 0-360 engine. I have a new C/S Hartzell Prop and McCauley governor I
bought
> from Vans a while back that have never been run. I'll sell both for less
> than Van's lists today and they are available now. Contact me off line
>
> Duane Bentley
> N515DB (reserved)
> RV6 finishing electrical wiring
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| Subject: | Re: 2003 Calendar |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Ross Schlotthauer wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
>
> list,
>
> Was anyone else surprised that Vans included a 200 hp
> RV6 in the calender. It seems to me that this could
> be construed as supporting the mod.
>
> Perhaps it is because it has the big 7 tail.
>
> Ross Schlotthauer
> RV7
>
Oh come on, he is not supporting anything, they just took pictures
of nice looking airplanes to make a calendar.
do not archive
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: 2003 Calendar |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" <nhunger@sprint.ca>
> Anyway, I went to order the calendar, and guess what......SOLD OUT. :(
I phoned around 9 this morning and ordered one with a years RVator. They
said anything about it being sold out. Maybe I got the last one. Sorry. Did
they say if they were going to print more?
Norman Hunger
RV6A Delta BC
Do not archive
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| Subject: | w-822 inspection hole covers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robert Moser" <moserr@earthlink.net>
How should one countersink the rivet holes that attach the k1100-08 platenuts for
the inspection covers to the bottom wing skins?
The outboard skin is .025" so machine countersinking is not a great option, but
dimpling doesn't leave the platenut flush with the skin. I know the platenuts
only hold the access cover on, but still, I was wondering what others have done.....
Things that make you go hmmmmmm!
Bob Moser
East Bethel, MN
RV-8 Wings
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| Subject: | Re: w-822 inspection hole covers |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charles Kuss <chaskuss@yahoo.com>
Bob,
My solution was to replace the K1100 nutplates with
MS21049-08K nutplates. These are the "triple dimpled"
nutplates. The rivet holes are also dimpled on these
nutplates. I bought 100 of these from Wicks at a very
good price last year. I've been using them everywhere.
(All my floors are removable)
Charlie Kuss
--- Robert Moser <moserr@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Robert Moser"
> <moserr@earthlink.net>
>
> How should one countersink the rivet holes that
> attach the k1100-08 platenuts for the inspection
> covers to the bottom wing skins?
>
> The outboard skin is .025" so machine countersinking
> is not a great option, but dimpling doesn't leave
> the platenut flush with the skin. I know the
> platenuts only hold the access cover on, but still,
> I was wondering what others have done.....
>
> Things that make you go hmmmmmm!
>
> Bob Moser
> East Bethel, MN
> RV-8 Wings
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Hmmmm. I tried to order one last night (1/2/03) on the web site, it
said "sold out. 2004 available in November". Or something like that.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
2003: The year of flight!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Norman
> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 10:45 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" <nhunger@sprint.ca>
>
> > Anyway, I went to order the calendar, and guess
> what......SOLD OUT. :(
>
> I phoned around 9 this morning and ordered one with a years
> RVator. They said anything about it being sold out. Maybe I
> got the last one. Sorry. Did they say if they were going to
> print more?
>
> Norman Hunger
> RV6A Delta BC
> Do not archive
>
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| Subject: | w-822 inspection hole covers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
I think I used countersunk nutplates and dimpled the skin....
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8 wires
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
2003: The year of flight!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Moser
> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 11:45 PM
> To: RV List
> Subject: RV-List: w-822 inspection hole covers
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Robert Moser" <moserr@earthlink.net>
>
> How should one countersink the rivet holes that attach the
> k1100-08 platenuts for the inspection covers to the bottom wing skins?
>
> The outboard skin is .025" so machine countersinking is not a
> great option, but dimpling doesn't leave the platenut flush
> with the skin. I know the platenuts only hold the access
> cover on, but still, I was wondering what others have done.....
>
> Things that make you go hmmmmmm!
>
> Bob Moser
> East Bethel, MN
> RV-8 Wings
>
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| Subject: | Can Canadians can save money on shipments? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@adelphia.net>
Find yourself a friendly American builder to receive and hold your shipment
until you can pick it up your self. You also save money shipping to a
commercial address as compared to residential. Or better yet have it held at
the shipping distribution center closest to your locale. Gotta love free
trade. I've got a commercial shipping address in Niagara falls if it would
help any of our southern Ontario neighbors.
Steven DiNieri
capsteve@adelphia.net
n221rv n331rv
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| Subject: | w-822 inspection hole covers |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ed Holyoke <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
You can dimple nutplates yourself. I do it all the time. Use the female
die with a side ground flat for close clearances.
Ed Holyoke
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Kuss
> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 9:09 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: w-822 inspection hole covers
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charles Kuss <chaskuss@yahoo.com>
>
> Bob,
> My solution was to replace the K1100 nutplates with
> MS21049-08K nutplates. These are the "triple dimpled"
> nutplates. The rivet holes are also dimpled on these
> nutplates. I bought 100 of these from Wicks at a very
> good price last year. I've been using them everywhere.
> (All my floors are removable)
> Charlie Kuss
>
> --- Robert Moser <moserr@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Robert Moser"
> > <moserr@earthlink.net>
> >
> > How should one countersink the rivet holes that
> > attach the k1100-08 platenuts for the inspection
> > covers to the bottom wing skins?
> >
> > The outboard skin is .025" so machine countersinking
> > is not a great option, but dimpling doesn't leave
> > the platenut flush with the skin. I know the
> > platenuts only hold the access cover on, but still,
> > I was wondering what others have done.....
> >
> > Things that make you go hmmmmmm!
> >
> > Bob Moser
> > East Bethel, MN
> > RV-8 Wings
> >
> >
> >
> > Click on the
> > this
> > generous
> > _->
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> >
> > latest messages.
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> >
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