---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/02/03: 42 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:07 AM - Firewall penetration of Prop control cable (Jim Jewell) 2. 12:27 AM - Re: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? (Rob Prior) 3. 05:47 AM - Re: UPDATE #2 ... Random (engine??) "POP" (Ollie Washburn) 4. 06:10 AM - Todds Canopies (Al Grajek) 5. 06:16 AM - Re: Re: RV-8 Canopy skirt (Larry Bowen) 6. 06:36 AM - Re: Re: RV-8 Canopy skirt (John Huft) 7. 06:46 AM - Re: Todds Canopies (Larry Hawkins) 8. 06:58 AM - Re: Todds Canopies (Rv8don@aol.com) 9. 07:05 AM - Re: Firewall penetration of Prop control cable (Richard Dudley) 10. 07:23 AM - Re: Todds Canopies (John Huft) 11. 08:39 AM - Re: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? (Norman) 12. 08:53 AM - Belly antenna (Austin) 13. 08:55 AM - Re: UPDATE #2 ... Random (engine??) "POP" (James E. Clark) 14. 09:21 AM - Alodine treatment (Bruce Anthony) 15. 09:22 AM - Re: Belly antenna (Larry Hawkins) 16. 09:42 AM - Re: Alodine treatment (Kyle Boatright) 17. 10:12 AM - Re: Alodine treatment (David Carter) 18. 10:25 AM - where was that picture (JRWillJR@aol.com) 19. 10:29 AM - Re: Alodine treatment (Gannon, Terence) 20. 12:13 PM - [ Fred Stucklen ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 21. 12:47 PM - Re: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? (Jim Oke) 22. 02:59 PM - Re: where was that picture (Sam Buchanan) 23. 03:05 PM - Hartzell Prop for Sale (Duane Bentley) 24. 03:10 PM - Re: Alodine treatment (Jim Jewell) 25. 04:11 PM - Re: Alodine treatment (Stein Bruch) 26. 04:56 PM - Re: 2003 Calendar (Larry Bowen) 27. 05:07 PM - Navaid SOLD (Ken Brooks) 28. 05:58 PM - Re: 2003 Calendar (Ross Schlotthauer) 29. 05:58 PM - Re: 2003 Calendar (Ross Schlotthauer) 30. 05:58 PM - Re: 2003 Calendar (Ross Schlotthauer) 31. 05:58 PM - Re: 2003 Calendar (Ross Schlotthauer) 32. 05:58 PM - Re: Alodine treatment (Brian Armstrong) 33. 07:07 PM - IO-360-A power spreadsheet - need to fix errors (Kevin Horton) 34. 07:33 PM - Re: Hartzell Prop for Sale (Norman) 35. 07:37 PM - Re: 2003 Calendar (Jerry Springer) 36. 07:48 PM - Re: 2003 Calendar (Norman) 37. 08:48 PM - w-822 inspection hole covers (Robert Moser) 38. 09:12 PM - Re: w-822 inspection hole covers (Charles Kuss) 39. 09:19 PM - Re: 2003 Calendar (Larry Bowen) 40. 09:21 PM - Re: w-822 inspection hole covers (Larry Bowen) 41. 10:03 PM - Re: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? (Steven DiNieri) 42. 10:43 PM - Re: w-822 inspection hole covers (Ed Holyoke) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:07:29 AM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: RV-List: Firewall penetration of Prop control cable --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Happy New Year, Does anyone have a coordinate position for the hole in the firewall that the C/S prop govenor control cable will pass through? For instance: X number of inches up from the fuselage bottom flange. Y number of inches in from the left side skin flange. For some reason I just can't picture it's position I'm Building a 6a with an O-360-A1A. The cable I have is the 45.5" one from Van's. Thanks in advance, Jim in Kelowna ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:13 AM PST US From: Rob Prior Subject: Re: RV-List: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior This is in fact exactly what I intend to do when I order my wing kit. Legal or not, I have no intention of paying PST/GST on shipping from Oregon to the border (I can see paying PST/GST on the shipping from the border to my house, but i'd be surprised if the CCRA staff would pro-rate the charge). Invoice the shipping separately, and only provide the cost of the *parts* to the CCRA (Canadian Customs and Revenue Agency) staff. That's all you're physically importing anyway. I actually hope to save more by either picking up the kit myself at the factory or by getting it shipped to a location just inside the US border. I'll then carry it across the border myself, and there won't be any question of freight/handling/brokerage charges. I'm surprised that the PST/GST on the freight is a significant amount, though... Can you tell me (and the list, i'm sure other Canadians want to know this as well) what it cost to have your kit (and how much of it, exactly?) shipped to Canada? If you're willing? 8-) -RB4 Norman wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" > > This post aimed at Canadian residents only. All others may as well DELETE now. Sorry. > > I just noticed on a recent shipment that our customs department is charging me 7% GST and 7.5% PST on the Canadian dollar equivelant of the total cost of the shipment. This includes the freight charge. What a burn. Can some one who has recently gotten a large kit shipment from Van or Mark have a look at your Canada Customs Postal Import Form (the grey slip you have to pay on arrival) and let us know if you had to pay Canadian taxes on American freight charges too? > > If so, it would seem to me that a Canadian could save quite a few dollars over the course of the whole project by insisting at time of order to pay the shipping separately, perhaps by credit card over the phone. Have the shipper send your freight charge receipt by post in a reg sized envelope and let the large shipment arrive with the accurate cost of the parts enclosed. > > Is this legal? > Would it work? > > Things that make you go hmmm...... > Do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:21 AM PST US From: "Ollie Washburn" Subject: Re: RV-List: UPDATE #2 ... Random (engine??) "POP" --> RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn" Hi James--------I'm just curious as to why you are using aircraft plugs instead of supplied auto plugs? Ollie 6A (Jeff's on rt.) ----- Original Message ----- From: James E. Clark Subject: RV-List: UPDATE #2 ... Random (engine??) "POP" --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" First, I must mention that Jeff Rose was such a delight to chat with on the phone about this matter. He is sending to me some of the "improved" rubber grommets for the plug wires. (ElectroAir users will know what this is). Again THANKS(!!!) to all who sent in suggestions. I still may need to followup on each. James > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:37 AM PST US From: "Al Grajek" Subject: RV-List: Todds Canopies --> RV-List message posted by: "Al Grajek" Does anybody have an email address for Todd Silver at Todds Canopies? Thanks Al Grajek algrajek@msn.com The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:43 AM PST US From: Larry Bowen Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Canopy skirt --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Bowen The line is there, but cloaked. You have to hold it just right under a bright light, tilt your head, stick your tongue out, etc. I marked mine with a Sharpie as I found it, then connected the dots. LB 2003 - The year of flight. --- Tracy Crook wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" > > I'm just starting to fit the RV-8 canopy skirt and I'm stuck on the step > where it says to trim the skirt 1/4" away from the "scribed line". Look as > I may, there is no trace of a scribed line, mold line, or anything > resembling either. > > Can any of you RV-8 builders give me an idea of where the top & bottom of > the skirt ends up relative to canopy frame (top) and junction of top & side > Fuselage skins (bottom)? > > Also, everything seems to fit fairly well except for the rear 1/3 of the > skirt at the top edge. It stands out away from the canopy bubble by at > least 1/3", way more than will ever lay down when pop riveted to the canopy > frame. Looks like I'll have to trim most of the top edge above the rivet > line away and lay up some glass to fair it into the canopy bubble. Common > story? > > Tracy Crook > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:31 AM PST US From: "John Huft" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Canopy skirt --> RV-List message posted by: "John Huft" Last question first, yes, common story. Do you have the 1-piece or 2-piece skirt? If you have a 1-piece skirt, you need to convert it into a 2-piece skirt, by cutting it on the rear centerline. After it is all fitted and riveted, you will custom glass the back together. The skirt has a radius that fits into the junction of plexi and frame. Using a little homemade radius tool with a center line, I went around and marked the center of this radius. I used this line as a reference to trim the upper edge. I then drilled holes and clecko'd the skirt on. Then, using the seams in the sheet metal as guides, I trimmed the lower edges. I made the lower edges line up with the edges of the top cowl skin and the turtledeck skin (looks nice). I tried to make the upper edge of the skirt line up with the upper edge of the windscreen skirt (failed, but not too bad). I made sure the upper trim line was straight before riveting, so I wouldn't have to sand up against the plexi. There are some pictures of my windscreen skirt at www.lazy8.net/rv8.html Good luck, John Pagosa Springs, CO RV8 30 hrs (10 to go!) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tracy Crook Subject: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Canopy skirt --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" I'm just starting to fit the RV-8 canopy skirt and I'm stuck on the step where it says to trim the skirt 1/4" away from the "scribed line". Look as I may, there is no trace of a scribed line, mold line, or anything resembling either. Can any of you RV-8 builders give me an idea of where the top & bottom of the skirt ends up relative to canopy frame (top) and junction of top & side Fuselage skins (bottom)? Also, everything seems to fit fairly well except for the rear 1/3 of the skirt at the top edge. It stands out away from the canopy bubble by at least 1/3", way more than will ever lay down when pop riveted to the canopy frame. Looks like I'll have to trim most of the top edge above the rivet line away and lay up some glass to fair it into the canopy bubble. Common story? Tracy Crook ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:28 AM PST US From: Larry Hawkins Subject: RE: RV-List: Todds Canopies --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Hawkins http://www.kgarden.com/todd/ -----Original Message----- From: Al Grajek [mailto:algrajek@msn.com] Subject: RV-List: Todds Canopies --> RV-List message posted by: "Al Grajek" Does anybody have an email address for Todd Silver at Todds Canopies? Thanks Al Grajek algrajek@msn.com The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months RE: RV-List: Todds Canopies http://www.kgarden.com/todd/ -----Original Message----- From: Al Grajek [mailto:algrajek@msn.com] Subject: RV-List: Todds Canopies -- RV-List message posted by: Al Grajek algrajek@msn.com Does anybody have an email address for Todd Silver at Todds Canopies? Thanks Al Grajek algrajek@msn.com The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:28 AM PST US From: Rv8don@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Todds Canopies --> RV-List message posted by: Rv8don@aol.com Al, It is: Todd Silver Todd's Canopies 1445 NE 33rd St. Ft Lauderdale, FL 33334 (954) 579-0874 Got a canopy from Todd a couple of months ago. Nice quality and Todd was good to work with. Regards, -Don RV8 NJ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:47 AM PST US From: Richard Dudley Subject: Re: RV-List: Firewall penetration of Prop control cable --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley Jim, Page 18 of First Issue 2001 of RVator has a diagram of engine control penetrations. If you don't have it, I can send you an image. It is referenced from the left side vertical row of rivets in the firewall and the top row of rivets. The X= 7-7/32 and the Y= 4-17/32. So, the cable makes a 90 degree turn to the right to reach the governor. Regards, Richard Dudley -6A FWF Jim Jewell wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" > > Happy New Year, > > Does anyone have a coordinate position for the hole in the firewall that the C/S prop govenor control cable will pass through? > For instance: X number of inches up from the fuselage bottom flange. > Y number of inches in from the left side skin flange. > > For some reason I just can't picture it's position > I'm Building a 6a with an O-360-A1A. The cable I have is the 45.5" one from Van's. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jim in Kelowna > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:48 AM PST US From: "John Huft" Subject: RE: RV-List: Todds Canopies --> RV-List message posted by: "John Huft" Bsilver05@aol.com 954579-0874 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Al Grajek Subject: RV-List: Todds Canopies --> RV-List message posted by: "Al Grajek" Does anybody have an email address for Todd Silver at Todds Canopies? Thanks Al Grajek algrajek@msn.com The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:40 AM PST US From: "Norman" Subject: Re: RV-List: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" > I actually hope to save more by either picking up the kit myself at the > factory or by getting it shipped to a location just inside the US > border. I'll then carry it across the border myself, and there won't be > any question of freight/handling/brokerage charges. > > I'm surprised that the PST/GST on the freight is a significant amount, > though... Can you tell me (and the list, i'm sure other Canadians want > to know this as well) what it cost to have your kit (and how much of it, > exactly?) shipped to Canada? If you're willing? 8-) I have had all my big kit shipments sent to Can-Amer in Blaine Washington. I drive down and pick them up myself. All you need is to borrow a pick up truck. I live only about ten miles north of the bourder but the difference in shipping rates between domestic and international is more than double. Plus there is no brokerage when you go and import it yourself. My finish kit freight charge was $67. Landed in Canada it would have been more like $300. You fellas living in other parts of the world are going to want to seriously look into this. I can't imagine how much it costs to ship the large crates to South Africa or Austrailia. You might be able to save a small fortune by having the freight charges paid on a separate invoice and getting that invoice sent in a separate letter. Find out if your customs agents are removing that cost from the shipment total before they are calculating your duties owed. Norman Hunger Do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:48 AM PST US From: "Austin" <6430@axion.net> Subject: RV-List: Belly antenna --> RV-List message posted by: "Austin" <6430@axion.net> Greetings y'all.. I need a bent whip antenna for the belly of my 6.....anybody have one to sell me ? Austin. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:38 AM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: UPDATE #2 ... Random (engine??) "POP" --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" Jeff actually recommends the use of aircraft plugs. He was not against auto plugs ... I specifially asked if maybe we should change. But, per him the aviation plugs should give better performance. Also, we have the same plugs upper and lower ...just a different gapping. Yes, automotive would work. I must repeat to all, we have NOT determined conclusively that we have a "fix" yet. James > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ollie Washburn > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 8:43 AM > To: RV-List Matronics > Subject: Re: RV-List: UPDATE #2 ... Random (engine??) "POP" > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn" > > Hi James--------I'm just curious as to why you are using > aircraft plugs instead of supplied auto plugs? > Ollie 6A (Jeff's on rt.) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James E. Clark > To: Rv-List@Matronics.Com > Subject: RV-List: UPDATE #2 ... Random (engine??) "POP" > > --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" > > First, I must mention that Jeff Rose was such a delight to chat > with on the > phone about this matter. He is sending to me some of the "improved" rubber > grommets for the plug wires. (ElectroAir users will know what this is). > > > Again THANKS(!!!) to all who sent in suggestions. I still may need to > followup on each. > > James > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:12 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Alodine treatment From: "Bruce Anthony" --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Anthony" I am approaching the stage in my RV-9A empennage construction where I need to make a decision on corrosion treatment. I've done a lot of investigation and reading on the subject, and since I live in a relatively dry, non-salty climate, I plan to just alodine the interior surfaces. Also I'm a big guy and every paint pound counts. I have only a couple last unanswered questions. One poster in the archive said that alodine surfaces are brittle, but I haven't seen any reports from anyone where the treatment actually failed. I am wondering how a failure of the surface is manifested. Small cracks? Sloughing of the treated surface? Flaking? Anyone have experience with a corrosion or mechanical/chemical failure of an alodined aluminum surface? Has anyone done only this and wished later they had primed as well? I'm attending a meeting of corrosion experts (I am not one) in February. I'll ask around on the subject, and if I learn anything new, I'll report back to the list. Bruce Anthony RV-9A Empennage in my garage Rosemount, MN ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:57 AM PST US From: Larry Hawkins Subject: RE: RV-List: Belly antenna --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Hawkins Austin I have an older one that you can have for free. Just give me your mailing address. Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, flying -----Original Message----- From: Austin [mailto:6430@axion.net] Subject: RV-List: Belly antenna --> RV-List message posted by: "Austin" <6430@axion.net> Greetings y'all.. I need a bent whip antenna for the belly of my 6.....anybody have one to sell me ? Austin. RE: RV-List: Belly antenna Austin I have an older one that you can have for free. Just give me your mailing address. Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, flying -----Original Message----- From: Austin [mailto:6430@axion.net] Subject: RV-List: Belly antenna -- RV-List message posted by: Austin 6430@axion.net Greetings y'all.. I need a bent whip antenna for the belly of my 6.....anybody have one to sell me ? Austin. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:06 AM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Alodine treatment --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" Alodine is a VERY thin chemical conversion of the top layer of the aluminum. If it gets scratched, you've lost the barrier. It doesn't add material, so there is no material to come loose. Anodizing (another process entirely) makes the surface of the part more brittle. Yes, our spars are anodized. Van says it really doesn't matter, as you'll get 12,000 (?) hours out of the anodized spar, more with the un-anodized spar. Again, this isn't a coating, it is a transformation of the metal. Check the archives, but I think you'll find that it is a LOT of work to alodine your entire kit, and you may find that it isn't worth the investment of your time and money. If you're looking for a good solution for a non-salty, dry climate, I'd say prime (pick a brand) the faying surfaces, and leave the remainder unprimed. The airplane will be lighter, you'll have saved time and money, and you'll have protected the areas that are most likely to corrode. KB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Anthony" Subject: RV-List: Alodine treatment > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Anthony" > > I am approaching the stage in my RV-9A empennage construction where I need to make a decision on corrosion treatment. I've done a lot of investigation and reading on the subject, and since I live in a relatively dry, non-salty climate, I plan to just alodine the interior surfaces. Also I'm a big guy and every paint pound counts. > > I have only a couple last unanswered questions. One poster in the archive said that alodine surfaces are brittle, but I haven't seen any reports from anyone where the treatment actually failed. I am wondering how a failure of the surface is manifested. Small cracks? Sloughing of the treated surface? Flaking? Anyone have experience with a corrosion or mechanical/chemical failure of an alodined aluminum surface? Has anyone done only this and wished later they had primed as well? > > I'm attending a meeting of corrosion experts (I am not one) in February. I'll ask around on the subject, and if I learn anything new, I'll report back to the list. > > > Bruce Anthony > RV-9A > Empennage in my garage > Rosemount, MN > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:07 AM PST US From: "David Carter" Subject: Re: RV-List: Alodine treatment --> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" Bruce, Alodine is a form of acid etch treatment (3 minute wetting of surface and some scuffing with red Scotch Bright pad) and the only visible change to the aluminum surface is a slight gold tint - if you buy the "gold" alodine instead of the "clear". There is no "brittle" or "hard surface" change to aluminum. - Alodine, alone, without corrosion control primer, does NOTHING for corrosion resistance - it is ENTIRELY to promote adhesion of paint. ANODIZING is an electrical coating process that does give a hard surface "layer" - it changes the molecules on the surface - there is some mention of "brittle" - it is a "harder" surface than plan, un-anodized aluminum. I use gold tint alodine - the gold tint is rather faint - grows fainter as the chemical is "used up" as you run several pieces through the same batch of liquid. Also, either ALCLAD (pure aluminum) or the alloys (6064, etc) take a more bright color tint - I forget which way it goes. In other words, some parts will hardly change color at all - don't worry about it - except, if the parts that SHOULD change color don't, then it is probably time to toss that batch of liquid and pour in some fresh stuff. The process I've used is this, based on calls to tech service of all suppliers of stuff I'm using: 1) Put on latex rubber exam gloves when handling parts to be cleaned, alodined, and painted - keeps body oils off parts - body oils don't help paint adhesion. 2) Wash parts in warm water in kitchen sink or bathtub (to remove oil from manufacturing/rolling/forming processes, & body oils, etc) using liquid dish soap, and scrub with red Scotch Bright pad ( I cut off little 1/2 inch by 1 inch pieces from the big 10 inch or so square pieces that you buy), then rinse, and blot & blow dry (don't want minerals from city water to be left behind). 3) Wet in alodine for 3' and a bit of scrubbing with SB pad. 4) Paint with your choice of corrosion control primer - on same day, before 24 hours is up or whatever it says on the label. I'd go with Deft, a PARTLY water based 2 part epoxy system that cleans up with water (about 90% and a bit of solvent for final cleaning. The stuff will still kill you if you breath it - is is no safer than my solvent-based strontium chomate 2 part epoxy primer - DEFT also has the strontium chromate and other nasty stuff - wear a good mask. - Solvent based stuff: Solvent is very volitile and evaporate rapidly, causing primer to thicken up, go on too thick, and weigh more - have to keep thinning. - Don't think Deft has nearly as much solvent - if any - so should stay same consistency. To cut weight of paint, you only need to spray along lines where two parts will be in physical contact, like a row of rivet holes in a skin where it will be riveted to a rib or spar. And, seems to me, that painting only one of the parts to be in contact would be satisfactory. So, you don't have to paint every side and every square inch of every part. There is difference of experience and opinion on when & if you will have corrosion on a skin area that is not in contact with anything - if you want to paint inside of bottom skins that might collect junk from the air, then do so. I wouldn't, on my next airplane, paint the inside of upper skins - very little probability of corrosion there. - Also, re weight of primer: My primer is supposed to go on 0.7 mils thick - very thin layer. Can read marking pen ink thru that thin a layer. Don't know about Deft - call their tech supt. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Anthony" Subject: RV-List: Alodine treatment > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Anthony" > > I am approaching the stage in my RV-9A empennage construction where I need to make a decision on corrosion treatment. I've done a lot of investigation and reading on the subject, and since I live in a relatively dry, non-salty climate, I plan to just alodine the interior surfaces. Also I'm a big guy and every paint pound counts. > > I have only a couple last unanswered questions. One poster in the archive said that alodine surfaces are brittle, but I haven't seen any reports from anyone where the treatment actually failed. I am wondering how a failure of the surface is manifested. Small cracks? Sloughing of the treated surface? Flaking? Anyone have experience with a corrosion or mechanical/chemical failure of an alodined aluminum surface? Has anyone done only this and wished later they had primed as well? > > I'm attending a meeting of corrosion experts (I am not one) in February. I'll ask around on the subject, and if I learn anything new, I'll report back to the list. > > > Bruce Anthony > RV-9A > Empennage in my garage > Rosemount, MN > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:42 AM PST US From: JRWillJR@aol.com Subject: RV-List: where was that picture --> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com Where was that picture used for the Jan 2003 desktop from VWWAF taken? It is nice. Do Not Archive. JR ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:36 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Alodine treatment From: "Gannon, Terence" --> RV-List message posted by: "Gannon, Terence" Bruce -- others who are more expert may correct me, but I think you might be confusing anodizing with alodining. Alodining is usually the second step in a three step priming process (clean, alodine, prime) and as far as I know, there is no issue with making the part brittle with alodining. The issue (if in fact there is one) of embrittlement is related to anodizing, which is an electrolytic process, totally different from alodining. I realize that I haven't answered your central question, but I thought that would contribute the little I do know ;-) Cheers... Terry in Calgary RV-6 S/N 24414 "Wings" -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Anthony [mailto:bruce.anthony@holidaycompanies.com] Subject: RV-List: Alodine treatment --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Anthony" --> I am approaching the stage in my RV-9A empennage construction where I need to make a decision on corrosion treatment. I've done a lot of investigation and reading on the subject, and since I live in a relatively dry, non-salty climate, I plan to just alodine the interior surfaces. Also I'm a big guy and every paint pound counts. I have only a couple last unanswered questions. One poster in the archive said that alodine surfaces are brittle, but I haven't seen any reports from anyone where the treatment actually failed. I am wondering how a failure of the surface is manifested. Small cracks? Sloughing of the treated surface? Flaking? Anyone have experience with a corrosion or mechanical/chemical failure of an alodined aluminum surface? Has anyone done only this and wished later they had primed as well? I'm attending a meeting of corrosion experts (I am not one) in February. I'll ask around on the subject, and if I learn anything new, I'll report back to the list. Bruce Anthony RV-9A Empennage in my garage Rosemount, MN = direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:00 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: [ Fred Stucklen ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Fred Stucklen Subject: RV-6A IFR Inst Panel & Wiring http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/wstucklen1@cox.net.01.02.2003/index.html -------------------------------------------- o EMAIL LIST PHOTO SHARE Share your files and photos with other List members simply by emailing the files to: pictures@matronics.com Please view the typical Share above and include the Description Text Fields as shown along with your submission of files and photos. o Main Photo Share Index: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare -------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:58 PM PST US From: Jim Oke Subject: Re: RV-List: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke Norman; I checked a few of my postal clearance forms and both times I was charged PST/GST only on the cost of the items. Both were from Vans and in both cases the US Postal Service form #2976 filled out by Vans did show the value of the goods separately from the cost of shipping. Value for duty and taxes was based on the value of the goods only which I would consider correct. If the shipping and cost of the goods are shown separately on the paperwork I would say that you should be able to go back and get a refund of the PST/GST that you paid on the US shipping. After all there should be some service provided for the $5.00 processing fee that I expect you were charged as well. As per your later e-mail, I also have had my big kit crates shipped to point just short of the border (the big city of Pembina, ND) and picked them up myself as a personal importation. Yes, there is significant cost savings in this by my experience as well. You even avoid the $5,00 postal service charge! Also, hold onto your customs paperwork as proof of payment of PST/GST. When you finally go for your C of R, the feds will tell your provincial tax department about your new airplane "purchase" and you will get a letter demanding payment of the applicable PST. A copy of the customs forms for the bigger ticket items should convince them that you have already paid the tax. Jim Oke RV-6A Paying taxes in Winnipeg, MB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman" Subject: RV-List: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" > > This post aimed at Canadian residents only. All others may as well DELETE now. Sorry. > > I just noticed on a recent shipment that our customs department is charging me 7% GST and 7.5% PST on the Canadian dollar equivelant of the total cost of the shipment. This includes the freight charge. What a burn. Can some one who has recently gotten a large kit shipment from Van or Mark have a look at your Canada Customs Postal Import Form (the grey slip you have to pay on arrival) and let us know if you had to pay Canadian taxes on American freight charges too? > > If so, it would seem to me that a Canadian could save quite a few dollars over the course of the whole project by insisting at time of order to pay the shipping separately, perhaps by credit card over the phone. Have the shipper send your freight charge receipt by post in a reg sized envelope and let the large shipment arrive with the accurate cost of the parts enclosed. > > Is this legal? > Would it work? > > Things that make you go hmmm...... > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:12 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: where was that picture --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan JRWillJR@aol.com wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com > > Where was that picture used for the Jan 2003 desktop from VWWAF taken? It is > nice. Do Not Archive. JR It really is a nice image! Info on the photo is at the same place you download the image: http://www.metronet.com/~dreeves/wallpaper_instructions.htm Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:28 PM PST US From: "Duane Bentley" Subject: RV-List: Hartzell Prop for Sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Duane Bentley" I have decided to go to a composite prop on my RV6 ( still finishing) with 0-360 engine. I have a new C/S Hartzell Prop and McCauley governor I bought from Vans a while back that have never been run. I'll sell both for less than Van's lists today and they are available now. Contact me off line Duane Bentley N515DB (reserved) RV6 finishing electrical wiring West Chester, OH 513-777-5491 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:46 PM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: RV-List: Alodine treatment --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Hi Bruce, Anodizing does have embrittlement issues attached to it. The trade off is between how long before corrosion of the anodized part becomes problematic and the overall anodized part service life. It seems that an anodized part is expected to have a good service life for a period longer than the expected service life of the assembled airworthy aircraft. The un-Anodized part would have twice that expected service life as long as corrosion is avoided or kept out of the equation. I can not say which is the better road to travel. There is a notable amount of info in the archives if my memory serves me. A prime reason to do chemical Alodining is to stop Filform corrosion. Filform corrosion is disused in the Van's builders instruction on page 13-3. Alodine treatment is best done immediately after the phosphoric acid treatment is rinsed and dried. Alodine crystallizes the surface locking out aluminum oxidization that begins the instant that oxygen reaches it. This surface crystallization stabilizes the oxide formation and provides a good footing or grip for the application of corrosion protection or priming. I don't think that Alodining has any positive/negative structural effect such as with Anodizing as described above. Alodine when properly applied should give a gold yellow sheen to the surfaces it is applied to. It should not be allowed to get to dark gold or brown as this lends itself to surface flaking. Happy building Jim in Kelowna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Anthony" Subject: RV-List: Alodine treatment > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Anthony" > > I am approaching the stage in my RV-9A empennage construction where I need to make a decision on corrosion treatment. I've done a lot of investigation and reading on the subject, and since I live in a relatively dry, non-salty climate, I plan to just alodine the interior surfaces. Also I'm a big guy and every paint pound counts. > > I have only a couple last unanswered questions. One poster in the archive said that alodine surfaces are brittle, but I haven't seen any reports from anyone where the treatment actually failed. I am wondering how a failure of the surface is manifested. Small cracks? Sloughing of the treated surface? Flaking? Anyone have experience with a corrosion or mechanical/chemical failure of an alodined aluminum surface? Has anyone done only this and wished later they had primed as well? > > I'm attending a meeting of corrosion experts (I am not one) in February. I'll ask around on the subject, and if I learn anything new, I'll report back to the list. > > > Bruce Anthony > RV-9A > Empennage in my garage > Rosemount, MN > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:47 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: Alodine treatment --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" Hi Bruce, 2 things here, Apples & Oranges.... Both provide some level of corrosion protection, but: Alodine...CHEMICAL COATING. Easy, economical, lightweight, effective, no noxious fumes and fast. Anodize...Electochemical Reaction. Not easily done at home (I've done it and I know), produces toxic fumes, not to mention that the bath is sulfuric acid and must have quite a high voltage applied to it which then produces a toxic gas that must be ventilated away. Not pratical for corrosion protection on the entire airplane. Overall, I dip nearly every part of my plane, as the weight is nil, it's fast, looks good, and the corrosion protection is as good or better than most primers, short of Zinc Chromate. (ooops, shouldn't have gone there.. :) Cheers, Stein Bruch, Minneapolis RV6, Flying RV7, Empennage From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Anthony Subject: RV-List: Alodine treatment --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Anthony" I am approaching the stage in my RV-9A empennage construction where I need to make a decision on corrosion treatment. I've done a lot of investigation and reading on the subject, and since I live in a relatively dry, non-salty climate, I plan to just alodine the interior surfaces. Also I'm a big guy and every paint pound counts. I have only a couple last unanswered questions. One poster in the archive said that alodine surfaces are brittle, but I haven't seen any reports from anyone where the treatment actually failed. I am wondering how a failure of the surface is manifested. Small cracks? Sloughing of the treated surface? Flaking? Anyone have experience with a corrosion or mechanical/chemical failure of an alodined aluminum surface? Has anyone done only this and wished later they had primed as well? I'm attending a meeting of corrosion experts (I am not one) in February. I'll ask around on the subject, and if I learn anything new, I'll report back to the list. Bruce Anthony RV-9A Empennage in my garage Rosemount, MN ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:06 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: 2003 Calendar --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Yes, I think I have a brain cramp cause by all this electrical stuff. Anyway, I went to order the calendar, and guess what......SOLD OUT. :( - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com 2003: The year of flight! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom > & Cathy Ervin > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 12:05 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" > --> > > Larry, I also believe you are probably thinking of the > Rvator Renewal. I usually pay that at the same time new > calendars come out! All this building tends to fog the memory > at times......or maybe it's trying to decide which primer is > better!! Sorry but the list has been a little slow lately. > Do Not Archive > Tom in Ohio > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Bowen" > To: > Subject: RE: RV-List: 2003 Calendar > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > > > Hmm. Maybe I'm thinking of the Rvator subscription.... > > > > Thanks. > > > > - > > Larry Bowen > > Larry@BowenAero.com > > http://BowenAero.com > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Tom & Cathy > > > Ervin > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:09 PM > > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > > Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar > > > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" > > > --> > > > > > > Larry, I got my "Van's 2003 Calender" about a month ago. > > > Do Not Archive > > > Tom in Ohio > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Larry Bowen" > > > To: > > > Subject: RV-List: 2003 Calendar > > > > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > > > > > > > > Anyone received the Van's 2003 calendar yet? I paid for two > > > > years-worth last year, but no sign of the '03 yet ...... > > > > > > > > - > > > > Larry Bowen > > > > Larry@BowenAero.com > > > > http://BowenAero.com > > > > Do not archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:02 PM PST US From: "Ken Brooks" Subject: RV-List: Navaid SOLD --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" Dear Listers-- The Navaid AP that I just listed YESTERDAY for $1150 is sold. I had over 30 people interested. Thanks for the great response. Do not Archive Ken Brooks Centennial edition RV-8 Roscoe, IL ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:57 PM PST US From: Ross Schlotthauer Subject: RE: RV-List: 2003 Calendar --> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer list, Was anyone else surprised that Vans included a 200 hp RV6 in the calender. It seems to me that this could be construed as supporting the mod. Perhaps it is because it has the big 7 tail. Ross Schlotthauer RV7 --- Larry Bowen wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > > Yes, I think I have a brain cramp cause by all this > electrical stuff. > > Anyway, I went to order the calendar, and guess > what......SOLD OUT. :( > > - > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > 2003: The year of flight! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Tom > > & Cathy Ervin > > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 12:05 PM > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" > > > --> > > > > Larry, I also believe you are probably thinking > of the > > Rvator Renewal. I usually pay that at the same > time new > > calendars come out! All this building tends to fog > the memory > > at times......or maybe it's trying to decide which > primer is > > better!! Sorry but the list has been a little slow > lately. > > Do Not Archive > > Tom in Ohio > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Larry Bowen" > > To: > > Subject: RE: RV-List: 2003 Calendar > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > > > > > > Hmm. Maybe I'm thinking of the Rvator > subscription.... > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > - > > > Larry Bowen > > > Larry@BowenAero.com > > > http://BowenAero.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of > > Tom & Cathy > > > > Ervin > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:09 PM > > > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > > > Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar > > > > > > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy > Ervin" > > > > --> > > > > > > > > Larry, I got my "Van's 2003 Calender" about a > month ago. > > > > Do Not Archive > > > > Tom in Ohio > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Larry Bowen" > > > > To: > > > > Subject: RV-List: 2003 Calendar > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone received the Van's 2003 calendar yet? > I paid for two > > > > > years-worth last year, but no sign of the > '03 yet ...... > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Larry Bowen > > > > > Larry@BowenAero.com > > > > > http://BowenAero.com > > > > > Do not archive > > > > Click on the > this > generous > _-> > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:57 PM PST US From: Ross Schlotthauer Subject: RE: RV-List: 2003 Calendar --> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer list, Was anyone else surprised that Vans included a 200 hp RV6 in the calender. It seems to me that this could be construed as supporting the mod. Perhaps it is because it has the big 7 tail. Ross Schlotthauer RV7 --- Larry Bowen wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > > Yes, I think I have a brain cramp cause by all this > electrical stuff. > > Anyway, I went to order the calendar, and guess > what......SOLD OUT. :( > > - > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > 2003: The year of flight! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Tom > > & Cathy Ervin > > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 12:05 PM > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" > > > --> > > > > Larry, I also believe you are probably thinking > of the > > Rvator Renewal. I usually pay that at the same > time new > > calendars come out! All this building tends to fog > the memory > > at times......or maybe it's trying to decide which > primer is > > better!! Sorry but the list has been a little slow > lately. > > Do Not Archive > > Tom in Ohio > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Larry Bowen" > > To: > > Subject: RE: RV-List: 2003 Calendar > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > > > > > > Hmm. Maybe I'm thinking of the Rvator > subscription.... > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > - > > > Larry Bowen > > > Larry@BowenAero.com > > > http://BowenAero.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of > > Tom & Cathy > > > > Ervin > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:09 PM > > > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > > > Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar > > > > > > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy > Ervin" > > > > --> > > > > > > > > Larry, I got my "Van's 2003 Calender" about a > month ago. > > > > Do Not Archive > > > > Tom in Ohio > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Larry Bowen" > > > > To: > > > > Subject: RV-List: 2003 Calendar > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone received the Van's 2003 calendar yet? > I paid for two > > > > > years-worth last year, but no sign of the > '03 yet ...... > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Larry Bowen > > > > > Larry@BowenAero.com > > > > > http://BowenAero.com > > > > > Do not archive > > > > Click on the > this > generous > _-> > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:57 PM PST US From: Ross Schlotthauer Subject: RE: RV-List: 2003 Calendar --> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer list, Was anyone else surprised that Vans included a 200 hp RV6 in the calender. It seems to me that this could be construed as supporting the mod. Perhaps it is because it has the big 7 tail. Ross Schlotthauer RV7 --- Larry Bowen wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > > Yes, I think I have a brain cramp cause by all this > electrical stuff. > > Anyway, I went to order the calendar, and guess > what......SOLD OUT. :( > > - > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > 2003: The year of flight! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Tom > > & Cathy Ervin > > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 12:05 PM > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" > > > --> > > > > Larry, I also believe you are probably thinking > of the > > Rvator Renewal. I usually pay that at the same > time new > > calendars come out! All this building tends to fog > the memory > > at times......or maybe it's trying to decide which > primer is > > better!! Sorry but the list has been a little slow > lately. > > Do Not Archive > > Tom in Ohio > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Larry Bowen" > > To: > > Subject: RE: RV-List: 2003 Calendar > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > > > > > > Hmm. Maybe I'm thinking of the Rvator > subscription.... > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > - > > > Larry Bowen > > > Larry@BowenAero.com > > > http://BowenAero.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of > > Tom & Cathy > > > > Ervin > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:09 PM > > > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > > > Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar > > > > > > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy > Ervin" > > > > --> > > > > > > > > Larry, I got my "Van's 2003 Calender" about a > month ago. > > > > Do Not Archive > > > > Tom in Ohio > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Larry Bowen" > > > > To: > > > > Subject: RV-List: 2003 Calendar > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone received the Van's 2003 calendar yet? > I paid for two > > > > > years-worth last year, but no sign of the > '03 yet ...... > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Larry Bowen > > > > > Larry@BowenAero.com > > > > > http://BowenAero.com > > > > > Do not archive > > > > Click on the > this > generous > _-> > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:57 PM PST US From: Ross Schlotthauer Subject: RE: RV-List: 2003 Calendar --> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer list, Was anyone else surprised that Vans included a 200 hp RV6 in the calender. It seems to me that this could be construed as supporting the mod. Perhaps it is because it has the big 7 tail. Ross Schlotthauer RV7 --- Larry Bowen wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > > Yes, I think I have a brain cramp cause by all this > electrical stuff. > > Anyway, I went to order the calendar, and guess > what......SOLD OUT. :( > > - > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > 2003: The year of flight! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Tom > > & Cathy Ervin > > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 12:05 PM > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" > > > --> > > > > Larry, I also believe you are probably thinking > of the > > Rvator Renewal. I usually pay that at the same > time new > > calendars come out! All this building tends to fog > the memory > > at times......or maybe it's trying to decide which > primer is > > better!! Sorry but the list has been a little slow > lately. > > Do Not Archive > > Tom in Ohio > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Larry Bowen" > > To: > > Subject: RE: RV-List: 2003 Calendar > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > > > > > > Hmm. Maybe I'm thinking of the Rvator > subscription.... > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > - > > > Larry Bowen > > > Larry@BowenAero.com > > > http://BowenAero.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of > > Tom & Cathy > > > > Ervin > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:09 PM > > > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > > > Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar > > > > > > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy > Ervin" > > > > --> > > > > > > > > Larry, I got my "Van's 2003 Calender" about a > month ago. > > > > Do Not Archive > > > > Tom in Ohio > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Larry Bowen" > > > > To: > > > > Subject: RV-List: 2003 Calendar > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone received the Van's 2003 calendar yet? > I paid for two > > > > > years-worth last year, but no sign of the > '03 yet ...... > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Larry Bowen > > > > > Larry@BowenAero.com > > > > > http://BowenAero.com > > > > > Do not archive > > > > Click on the > this > generous > _-> > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:57 PM PST US From: Brian Armstrong Subject: Re: RV-List: Alodine treatment --> RV-List message posted by: Brian Armstrong Bruce, I've never heard of alodine embrittling a surface. It's a very light, brush-on coating that oxydizes the surface of the aluminum. Other coatings that are more plating-oriented can have a brittling effect. I work for a small airplane company, and we alodine just about every aluminum part we make. I believe it to be completely harmless in terms of mechanical properties. That said, anodizing makes a much better corrosion protection. But it also makes for a much better headache! Brian Armstrong Englewood, Colorado Do Not Archive -- On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Bruce Anthony wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Anthony" > > I am approaching the stage in my RV-9A empennage construction where I need to make a decision on corrosion treatment. I've done a lot of investigation and reading on the subject, and since I live in a relatively dry, non-salty climate, I plan to just alodine the interior surfaces. Also I'm a big guy and every paint pound counts. > > I have only a couple last unanswered questions. One poster in the archive said that alodine surfaces are brittle, but I haven't seen any reports from anyone where the treatment actually failed. I am wondering how a failure of the surface is manifested. Small cracks? Sloughing of the treated surface? Flaking? Anyone have experience with a corrosion or mechanical/chemical failure of an alodined aluminum surface? Has anyone done only this and wished later they had primed as well? > > I'm attending a meeting of corrosion experts (I am not one) in February. I'll ask around on the subject, and if I learn anything new, I'll report back to the list. > > > Bruce Anthony > RV-9A > Empennage in my garage > Rosemount, MN > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:18 PM PST US lycoming@yahoogroups.com From: Kevin Horton Subject: RV-List: IO-360-A power spreadsheet - need to fix errors --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton I found several errors in this spreadsheet that cause it to fail to calculate at some rpm and manifold pressure conditions. There is also a data error for 2000 rpm. I will post a corrected version on 4 Jan 2003 as soon as I do some more testing. -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (baffles, induction air, oil cooler) Ottawa, Canada http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:08 PM PST US From: "Norman" Subject: Re: RV-List: Hartzell Prop for Sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" Sounds like an expensive change of plan Duane. Want to share with us the reason why? Norman Do not archive > I have decided to go to a composite prop on my RV6 ( still finishing) with > 0-360 engine. I have a new C/S Hartzell Prop and McCauley governor I bought > from Vans a while back that have never been run. I'll sell both for less > than Van's lists today and they are available now. Contact me off line > > Duane Bentley > N515DB (reserved) > RV6 finishing electrical wiring ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:25 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Ross Schlotthauer wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer > > list, > > Was anyone else surprised that Vans included a 200 hp > RV6 in the calender. It seems to me that this could > be construed as supporting the mod. > > Perhaps it is because it has the big 7 tail. > > Ross Schlotthauer > RV7 > Oh come on, he is not supporting anything, they just took pictures of nice looking airplanes to make a calendar. do not archive Jerry ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:49 PM PST US From: "Norman" Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" > Anyway, I went to order the calendar, and guess what......SOLD OUT. :( I phoned around 9 this morning and ordered one with a years RVator. They said anything about it being sold out. Maybe I got the last one. Sorry. Did they say if they were going to print more? Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC Do not archive ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:17 PM PST US From: "Robert Moser" Subject: RV-List: w-822 inspection hole covers --> RV-List message posted by: "Robert Moser" How should one countersink the rivet holes that attach the k1100-08 platenuts for the inspection covers to the bottom wing skins? The outboard skin is .025" so machine countersinking is not a great option, but dimpling doesn't leave the platenut flush with the skin. I know the platenuts only hold the access cover on, but still, I was wondering what others have done..... Things that make you go hmmmmmm! Bob Moser East Bethel, MN RV-8 Wings ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:46 PM PST US From: Charles Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: w-822 inspection hole covers --> RV-List message posted by: Charles Kuss Bob, My solution was to replace the K1100 nutplates with MS21049-08K nutplates. These are the "triple dimpled" nutplates. The rivet holes are also dimpled on these nutplates. I bought 100 of these from Wicks at a very good price last year. I've been using them everywhere. (All my floors are removable) Charlie Kuss --- Robert Moser wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Robert Moser" > > > How should one countersink the rivet holes that > attach the k1100-08 platenuts for the inspection > covers to the bottom wing skins? > > The outboard skin is .025" so machine countersinking > is not a great option, but dimpling doesn't leave > the platenut flush with the skin. I know the > platenuts only hold the access cover on, but still, > I was wondering what others have done..... > > Things that make you go hmmmmmm! > > Bob Moser > East Bethel, MN > RV-8 Wings > > > > Click on the > this > generous > _-> > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:20 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: 2003 Calendar --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Hmmmm. I tried to order one last night (1/2/03) on the web site, it said "sold out. 2004 available in November". Or something like that. - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com 2003: The year of flight! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Norman > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 10:45 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: 2003 Calendar > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" > > > Anyway, I went to order the calendar, and guess > what......SOLD OUT. :( > > I phoned around 9 this morning and ordered one with a years > RVator. They said anything about it being sold out. Maybe I > got the last one. Sorry. Did they say if they were going to > print more? > > Norman Hunger > RV6A Delta BC > Do not archive > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:24 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: w-822 inspection hole covers --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" I think I used countersunk nutplates and dimpled the skin.... - Larry Bowen, RV-8 wires Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com 2003: The year of flight! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Moser > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 11:45 PM > To: RV List > Subject: RV-List: w-822 inspection hole covers > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Robert Moser" > > How should one countersink the rivet holes that attach the > k1100-08 platenuts for the inspection covers to the bottom wing skins? > > The outboard skin is .025" so machine countersinking is not a > great option, but dimpling doesn't leave the platenut flush > with the skin. I know the platenuts only hold the access > cover on, but still, I was wondering what others have done..... > > Things that make you go hmmmmmm! > > Bob Moser > East Bethel, MN > RV-8 Wings > ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:16 PM PST US From: "Steven DiNieri" Subject: RE: RV-List: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? --> RV-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri" Find yourself a friendly American builder to receive and hold your shipment until you can pick it up your self. You also save money shipping to a commercial address as compared to residential. Or better yet have it held at the shipping distribution center closest to your locale. Gotta love free trade. I've got a commercial shipping address in Niagara falls if it would help any of our southern Ontario neighbors. Steven DiNieri capsteve@adelphia.net n221rv n331rv ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:26 PM PST US From: Ed Holyoke Subject: RE: RV-List: w-822 inspection hole covers --> RV-List message posted by: Ed Holyoke You can dimple nutplates yourself. I do it all the time. Use the female die with a side ground flat for close clearances. Ed Holyoke > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Kuss > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 9:09 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: w-822 inspection hole covers > > --> RV-List message posted by: Charles Kuss > > Bob, > My solution was to replace the K1100 nutplates with > MS21049-08K nutplates. These are the "triple dimpled" > nutplates. The rivet holes are also dimpled on these > nutplates. I bought 100 of these from Wicks at a very > good price last year. I've been using them everywhere. > (All my floors are removable) > Charlie Kuss > > --- Robert Moser wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Robert Moser" > > > > > > How should one countersink the rivet holes that > > attach the k1100-08 platenuts for the inspection > > covers to the bottom wing skins? > > > > The outboard skin is .025" so machine countersinking > > is not a great option, but dimpling doesn't leave > > the platenut flush with the skin. I know the > > platenuts only hold the access cover on, but still, > > I was wondering what others have done..... > > > > Things that make you go hmmmmmm! > > > > Bob Moser > > East Bethel, MN > > RV-8 Wings > > > > > > > > Click on the > > this > > generous > > _-> > > Contributions > > any other > > Forums. > > > > latest messages. > > List members. > > > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm > > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list > > http://www.matronics.com/archives > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > > > > > > > > = > _-> > > > >