---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/07/03: 46 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:26 AM - Re: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? (Rob Prior) 2. 02:30 AM - Re: Engine Primer Solenoid - Push to Prime Button (Francis Malczynski) 3. 04:16 AM - Re: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? (Kevin Horton) 4. 04:23 AM - Re: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? (Steve J Hurlbut) 5. 06:40 AM - F-1 accident preliminary report (James & Shalise Cash) 6. 07:30 AM - Re:Anywhere Map GPS - OLEG (Oldsfolks@aol.com) 7. 07:31 AM - Re: F-1 accident preliminary report (Scott Brumbelow) 8. 07:35 AM - Re: Big RV flyin at Lakeland SnF site this weekend (Pat Hatch) 9. 07:41 AM - Re: Flap hinge measurement & plans (Tracy Crook) 10. 08:15 AM - reading too much (Frazier, Vincent A) 11. 08:23 AM - titanium gear (Frazier, Vincent A) 12. 08:28 AM - Re: Re: Round Headlamps or Taxi / landing lights (Charles Kuss) 13. 08:51 AM - fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? (Dan Checkoway) 14. 09:33 AM - Re: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? (Neil McLeod) 15. 09:48 AM - Re: Flap/Aileron gap (HCRV6@aol.com) 16. 10:15 AM - Re: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? (mstewart@qa.butler.com) 17. 10:21 AM - Re: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? (Larry Bowen) 18. 10:33 AM - Seat heat and Air Conditioning (Norman) 19. 10:40 AM - Re: reading too much (Tom Gummo) 20. 10:43 AM - Re: Big RV flyin at Lakeland SnF site this weekend (WALTER KERR) 21. 10:44 AM - Re: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? (Norman) 22. 10:51 AM - Re: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? (Ken Harrill) 23. 11:40 AM - AN5812 12V pitot tube for sale (Marcus) 24. 11:49 AM - Re: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? (David Carter) 25. 11:52 AM - Re: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? (WALTER KERR) 26. 12:12 PM - Re: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? (SportAV8R@aol.com) 27. 02:39 PM - Non-RV-related: GPS III Pilot problems (Van Artsdalen, Scott) 28. 03:10 PM - Re: Non-RV-related: GPS III Pilot problems (Scott Brumbelow) 29. 03:10 PM - Re: Non-RV-related: GPS III Pilot problems (RV_8 Pilot) 30. 03:24 PM - Re: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? (David Carter) 31. 03:34 PM - Re: Non-RV-related: GPS III Pilot problems (Rick Jory) 32. 04:01 PM - Re: Non-RV-related: GPS III Pilot problems (Michel) 33. 04:43 PM - Re: reading too much (Chris) 34. 05:02 PM - Re: Non-RV-related: GPS III Pilot problems (Van Artsdalen, Scott) 35. 05:06 PM - Fuel selector valve attach (Jeff Point) 36. 05:06 PM - Re: Non-RV-related: GPS III Pilot problems (Roger Embree) 37. 06:08 PM - Re: reading too much (Stein Bruch) 38. 06:11 PM - Re: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? (John Starn) 39. 07:04 PM - Re: Fuel selector valve attach (Sam Buchanan) 40. 07:28 PM - new stuff / old stuff (Aircraft Technical Book Company) 41. 07:52 PM - Re: Vent Line (David Carter) 42. 08:46 PM - Re: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? (LeastDrag93066@aol.com) 43. 09:23 PM - Re: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? (JDaniel343@aol.com) 44. 09:48 PM - Re: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? (Jerry Springer) 45. 10:07 PM - Re: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? (Ed Holyoke) 46. 11:40 PM - Re: Non-RV-related: GPS III Pilot problems (Rob Prior) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:10 AM PST US From: Rob Prior Subject: Re: RV-List: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior Here's another question for Canadian builders: I've got an RV-7 tail kit that i'm working on (slowly), and it's one of the early ones that is going to need the rudder upgrade. I sent my upgrade request to Vans months ago and have heard nothing yet, but since i'm only at the Horizontal Stab stage i'm not really in a rush for it. I asked Canada Customs about receiving my replacement tail bits once when I was visiting them on other matters... They told me that to avoid paying PST/GST on the replacement parts, I would have to export the existing parts first. For me, that means driving them down across the border, stopping at Canada Customs, and having them inspect (and presumably mark somehow?) the parts on the way into the US. Then when I bring the new ones into Canada, I can show that I don't have the old ones anymore and bring the new ones in for free. This is a real nuisance, as I really don't know what I should do with the old parts once i'm across the border... I'm hesitant to just throw them into a trash bin, and I suspect that would be unpopular with the local municipality as well. Any suggestions, or should I just ask Van to declare a value of it on the shipping invoice, and make it a low number, so the PST/GST is low also? 8-) In the ideal case, i'd like to keep the old parts to use as scrap, so their "worth" to me is really only the worth of a piece of any old scrap aluminum that I could practise bucking rivets/making trim tabs/etc with. They're not worth the cost of buying a replacement part from Vans. -RB4 Norman wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" > > This post aimed at Canadian residents only. All others may as well DELETE now. Sorry. > > I just noticed on a recent shipment that our customs department is charging me 7% GST and 7.5% PST on the Canadian dollar equivelant of the total cost of the shipment. This includes the freight charge. What a burn. Can some one who has recently gotten a large kit shipment from Van or Mark have a look at your Canada Customs Postal Import Form (the grey slip you have to pay on arrival) and let us know if you had to pay Canadian taxes on American freight charges too? > > If so, it would seem to me that a Canadian could save quite a few dollars over the course of the whole project by insisting at time of order to pay the shipping separately, perhaps by credit card over the phone. Have the shipper send your freight charge receipt by post in a reg sized envelope and let the large shipment arrive with the accurate cost of the parts enclosed. > > Is this legal? > Would it work? > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:30:47 AM PST US From: "Francis Malczynski" Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine Primer Solenoid - Push to Prime Button --> RV-List message posted by: "Francis Malczynski" -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug Weiler Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine Primer Solenoid - Push to Prime Button I installed a three position switch from the Aeroelectric Connection. Don't remember the number right now, but the bottom position was off, the middle position I had wired in to turn my fuel pump on, and the top position which was momentary I used to activate the primer solenoid. Works well and is standard keyed. I also wired in a LED for the fuel pump position to tell me that the fuel pump was on. I (we) sometimes forget to turn it off if not reminded. Fran Malczynski RV6 - N594EF Olcott, NY > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ernest Kells" > > Vans now offers an electric solenoid primer kit. Can someone tell me what > switch they include for this? I had my system about 2/3 built so I am > continuing on my own. I have a "push button switch" that I don't like (ACS: > SPB01). I am thinking about exchanging it for the P1 Momentary Switch ACS > page 385. The solenoid has a low ampere requirement. > > The SPB01 is very large, requires soldering, has a crude appearance > (unfinished metal) and requires a nonstandard cutout in prime real-estate. > Anything better than the P1 Momentary Switch??? Thanks > Ernest Kells - RV-9A O235-N2C, Wood Prop > Finish Kit 85% Complete > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:34 AM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton >--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior > >Here's another question for Canadian builders: > >I've got an RV-7 tail kit that i'm working on (slowly), and it's one of the >early ones that is going to need the rudder upgrade. I sent my upgrade >request to Vans months ago and have heard nothing yet, but since i'm only at >the Horizontal Stab stage i'm not really in a rush for it. > >I asked Canada Customs about receiving my replacement tail bits once when I >was visiting them on other matters... They told me that to avoid paying >PST/GST on the replacement parts, I would have to export the existing parts >first. For me, that means driving them down across the border, stopping at >Canada Customs, and having them inspect (and presumably mark somehow?) the >parts on the way into the US. Then when I bring the new ones into Canada, I >can show that I don't have the old ones anymore and bring the new ones in >for free. > >This is a real nuisance, as I really don't know what I should do with the >old parts once i'm across the border... I'm hesitant to just throw them into >a trash bin, and I suspect that would be unpopular with the local >municipality as well. > >Any suggestions, or should I just ask Van to declare a value of it on the >shipping invoice, and make it a low number, so the PST/GST is low also? 8-) > >In the ideal case, i'd like to keep the old parts to use as scrap, so their >"worth" to me is really only the worth of a piece of any old scrap aluminum >that I could practise bucking rivets/making trim tabs/etc with. They're not >worth the cost of buying a replacement part from Vans. > >-RB4 > While I suppose that the Customs guy gave you the bureaucratically correct process, it certainly wasn't this difficult when I sent my Naviad servo for repair. I didn't talk to Customs at all. I just made sure the Navaid guy marked "Part returned for repair" on the customs form, and I didn't have to pay any money. If Vans will indicate that the new rudder parts are "Replacement for defective parts" I am amazed that Customs would expect you to export the original parts before they would excuse the PST/GST. I think I would hang onto my original parts, make sure Vans puts suitable wording on the Customs forms, and then tell my story when I brought the new stuff across the border.I bet they'll let you in without paying. If they make an issue of it, then you can come back later to export the old stuff to satisfy them so you can get your PST/GST refund. Make sure that Vans wording on the Customs form for the new rudder implies that the original parts are useless - i.e. they have no value. If it says "Replacement for incorrect parts", that would imply the original parts still have value, and Customs could legitimately ask you to export them before excusing the taxes. Good luck, -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (baffles, induction air, oil cooler) Ottawa, Canada http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:17 AM PST US From: "Steve J Hurlbut" Subject: Re: RV-List: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve J Hurlbut" Talk to Van's. Tell them to indicate the value as $0 and that the parts are 'warranty replacement'. There will be no charge. Make sure they are not shipped UPS as well. That company charges brokerage fees for every package. Use Fedex or other carrier. Steve RV7A Kingston, Ontario ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Prior" Subject: Re: RV-List: Can Canadians can save money on shipments? > --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior > > Here's another question for Canadian builders: > > I've got an RV-7 tail kit that i'm working on (slowly), and it's one of the > early ones that is going to need the rudder upgrade. I sent my upgrade > request to Vans months ago and have heard nothing yet, but since i'm only at > the Horizontal Stab stage i'm not really in a rush for it. > > I asked Canada Customs about receiving my replacement tail bits once when I > was visiting them on other matters... They told me that to avoid paying > PST/GST on the replacement parts, I would have to export the existing parts > first. For me, that means driving them down across the border, stopping at > Canada Customs, and having them inspect (and presumably mark somehow?) the > parts on the way into the US. Then when I bring the new ones into Canada, I > can show that I don't have the old ones anymore and bring the new ones in > for free. > > This is a real nuisance, as I really don't know what I should do with the > old parts once i'm across the border... I'm hesitant to just throw them into > a trash bin, and I suspect that would be unpopular with the local > municipality as well. > > Any suggestions, or should I just ask Van to declare a value of it on the > shipping invoice, and make it a low number, so the PST/GST is low also? 8-) > > In the ideal case, i'd like to keep the old parts to use as scrap, so their > "worth" to me is really only the worth of a piece of any old scrap aluminum > that I could practise bucking rivets/making trim tabs/etc with. They're not > worth the cost of buying a replacement part from Vans. > > -RB4 > > Norman wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" > > > > This post aimed at Canadian residents only. All others may as well DELETE now. Sorry. > > > > I just noticed on a recent shipment that our customs department is charging me 7% GST and 7.5% PST on the Canadian dollar equivelant of the total cost of the shipment. This includes the freight charge. What a burn. Can some one who has recently gotten a large kit shipment from Van or Mark have a look at your Canada Customs Postal Import Form (the grey slip you have to pay on arrival) and let us know if you had to pay Canadian taxes on American freight charges too? > > > > If so, it would seem to me that a Canadian could save quite a few dollars over the course of the whole project by insisting at time of order to pay the shipping separately, perhaps by credit card over the phone. Have the shipper send your freight charge receipt by post in a reg sized envelope and let the large shipment arrive with the accurate cost of the parts enclosed. > > > > Is this legal? > > Would it work? > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:10 AM PST US From: "James & Shalise Cash" Subject: RV-List: F-1 accident preliminary report --> RV-List message posted by: "James & Shalise Cash" Thought I'd forward this to all my airplane buddies. If you hadn't heard, there was an F-1 Rocket crash in Houston, several weeks ago. An eyewitness saw the aircraft impact the ground near vertical, at a high rate of speed. The vertical stabilizer tumbled down moments later. This is Mark Frederick's preliminary finding after talking to the FAA, NTSB, and viewing the wreckage. It is significant to the RV community because the F-1 tail is nearly identical to the RV-8, with the exception of a 1/8" doubler on the forward spar of the vertical stabilizer. Jimmy PRELIMINARY REPORT CREEKMORE F1 ACCIDENT Hi All: I'm sure you have been waiting for some definitive data regarding Tom Creekmore's accident. I was able to inspect the wreckage of the aft section of the ship last Friday, along with the FAA. The following is my report to you, not an official NTSB report. Preliminary Results are as follows: The builders did not fabricate nor install the upper attachment fitting for the V Fin aft spar. This is a length of 1x1x.125 6061T6 angle that is designed to absorb the Fin torque loads resulting from rudder deflections. Four AN3 fasteners attach this fitting to the aft section of the fuselage, and to the V Fin aft spar. Lack of this fitting caused the HS-015 to absorb most of the Fin torque loads, in addition to flexing the HS-015 past its fatigue life. It appears that the HS-015 failed at one of the V Fin spar attach bolts, and separated from the H Stab spar. In addition, the V Fin fwd spar/HS-015 attach holes were not drilled per the assy manual, with one hole appearing to have about 3/16" ED on the HS-015 (3/8" would be a standard distance). The separation at the HS-015 appears to have started at this hole. I will wait for the NTSB to publish their findings, and I'll add this to a dedicated web page detailing what happened. Regards, Mark ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:40 AM PST US From: Oldsfolks@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re:Anywhere Map GPS - OLEG --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com Oleg ; Maybe you need to change your subscription to " Digest " for the list. I had to do that to eliminate all the email . You then get only one email each day. RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:06 AM PST US From: Scott Brumbelow Subject: Re: RV-List: F-1 accident preliminary report --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Brumbelow What is significant is that the builder did not include a key structural component of the vertical stab attachment to the fuselage; not so much that the F-1 tail is "nearly identical" to the RV-8. Had the 1" x 1" angle attach piece (rear spar to fus) been included, this failure probably would not have occurred - even with the additional problems with the forward spar attachment. I am not sure what the part call-out for the F-1 vs. the RV tail is, but for RV builders at least the lesson here is clear - stick to the plans, especially for key structural components! Scott Brumbelow Memphis, RV-8A Cowling, electrical James & Shalise Cash wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "James & Shalise Cash" > > Thought I'd forward this to all my airplane buddies. If you hadn't heard, > there was an F-1 Rocket crash in Houston, several weeks ago. An eyewitness > saw the aircraft impact the ground near vertical, at a high rate of speed. > The vertical stabilizer tumbled down moments later. This is Mark > Frederick's preliminary finding after talking to the FAA, NTSB, and viewing > the wreckage. It is significant to the RV community because the F-1 tail is nearly identical to the RV-8, with the exception of a 1/8" doubler on the forward spar of the vertical stabilizer. > Jimmy > > PRELIMINARY REPORT > CREEKMORE F1 ACCIDENT > > Hi All: > > I'm sure you have been waiting for some definitive data regarding Tom > Creekmore's accident. I was able to inspect the wreckage of the aft section > of the ship last Friday, along with the FAA. The following is my report to > you, not an official NTSB report. > > Preliminary Results are as follows: > > The builders did not fabricate nor install the upper attachment fitting for > the V Fin aft spar. This is a length of 1x1x.125 6061T6 angle that is > designed to absorb the Fin torque loads resulting from rudder deflections. > Four AN3 fasteners attach this fitting to the aft section of the fuselage, > and to the V Fin aft spar. > > Lack of this fitting caused the HS-015 to absorb most of the Fin torque > loads, in addition to flexing the HS-015 past its fatigue life. It appears > that the HS-015 failed at one of the V Fin spar attach bolts, and separated > from the H Stab spar. > > In addition, the V Fin fwd spar/HS-015 attach holes were not drilled per the > assy manual, with one hole appearing to have about 3/16" ED on the HS-015 > (3/8" would be a standard distance). The separation at the HS-015 appears to > have started at this hole. > > I will wait for the NTSB to publish their findings, and I'll add this to a > dedicated web page detailing what happened. > > Regards, > Mark > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:55 AM PST US From: "Pat Hatch" Subject: Re: RV-List: Big RV flyin at Lakeland SnF site this weekend --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" Sorry, Bernie, won't be able to make it this time--next one for sure. I am right in the middle of painting my airplane. For a sneak preview check out my web site at: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-pathatch Should be done in a couple of weeks hopefully. do not archive Pat Hatch RV-4, N17PH, 700 hrs O-320, Hartzell C/S RV-6, N44PH, 40 hrs O-360, Hartzell C/S Vero Beach, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "WALTER KERR" Subject: RV-List: Big RV flyin at Lakeland SnF site this weekend > --> RV-List message posted by: "WALTER KERR" > > Everything is on go for a good low key RV flyin at the SnF site this Friday and Saturday. > > Some folks are planning on meeting at Tony's on the N side of the airport for lunch and then moving over to the site. We will be parking RV's between the FAA building and the vendor buildings and non RV's in front of the vendor buildings. > > Friday evening ,the museum has a featured speaker talking about making the book; USA from 500 feet. There is a charge if you wish to do this. > > We will order pizza and someone will make a beer run to the supermarket for those so inclined. > > There will be a campfire and lots of hangar stories. Camping is free and there will be a shower house with hot water. > > Breakfast and lunch on Saturday will be provided by a local EAA Chapter. > > There will be 3 forums for those interested on Sat morning. Jan Bussel, a CFII with a 6A, will be doing a forum on landing your RV. This will be an expansion on what Van has started in the RVator. Mike Stewart will be doing a forum on formation flying. Bernie Kerr will be talking about building a new prepunch kit compared to his 1997 6A prepunch kit. He will also talk about his experience mounting a rotary in his new 9A. > > Please register (free) as there are door prizes to be given away at the forums. There is some free 100LL provided by the local FBO and SnF is providing some gifts from their shop. > > You can also see the grand coming out of several really neat new RV's, Dr Jim Norman plans on being there and I assume we will see Pat Hatch's new 6A. Both of these are really loaded and well done RV's. People are always raising the bar on new airplanes :>) > > Do not archive > Bernie Kerr > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:40 AM PST US From: "Tracy Crook" Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap hinge measurement & plans --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" I agree that the regular kit plans and drawings are quite good. Some of my previous comments were apparently taken to mean that they were not. Dana's experience is a perfect example of what I really meant. The plans and drawings are good enough to lead one into thinking that they are infallible, i.e., a 'bible'. Then you run into one of the errors or omisions and you go nuts trying to figure out where you went wrong. It saves a lot of time if you know that the plans are not perfect and it is OK to trust your own judgement (or call Van's help desk). I'm too embarased to say how many hours I spent figuring out that the (RV-8) Left & Right elevator trim servo mounting brackets were labeled backwards (left was right......) Now as to those QB fuselage instructions (Start at the back and work forward), surely Van's could do a little more 'hand holding' :-) Tracy Crook > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > > Bobby, you are right. I ended up cutting mine to match the flap spar and > they turned out to be 56.25. This left sufficient room for rivet spacing on > both sides. > > I looked at drawing 9, 8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1,10,11,12,13,14........well you get > the drift. Nowhere on mine does it say anything about that 1/4". Anyway > these plans are like the bible compared to cliff notes in comparison to the > first airplane I built. Trust me gang, be happy with these plans:-) Hard > to do sometimes though........... > > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > http://rvflying.tripod.com > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:49 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: reading too much From: "Frazier, Vincent A" --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" SNIP And yes I know I should stop reading and start building. So I am trying to learn as much as I can by reading these lists so hopefully when I do start building it will be easier from all I have learned on these lists. SNIP With apologies in advance for this analogy, but it is soo true.... When I was a teenager I read everything I could about GIRLS and SEX, but nothing I read prepared me for the real deal! So quit reading and start building! A dirty old man in Indiana ;-) DO NOT ARCHIVE even though it is true and useful information for all you fence sitters! ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:16 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: titanium gear From: "Frazier, Vincent A" --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" SNIP I would like to see a titanium gear set not because it is stronger because I am not so sure it would be but becasue of the damping properties of that material. SNIP Before anyone gets all excited here, the Rockets have their fair share of sagging gear, too stiff gear, gear shimmy, etc... The gear shimmy cracks your engine mounts. Fun, fun, fun. Titanium is not magic, but it is expensive. Ask a Rocket pilot. They'll have stories. I guarantee it. I've got an extra set of Rocket legs for sale, $1200 which is $500 off what I paid. Who wants 'em? Don't be scared... after all, they're TITANIUM! Dum da da da (trumpet sounds). Vince do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:53 AM PST US From: Charles Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Round Headlamps or Taxi / landing lights --> RV-List message posted by: Charles Kuss Phil, Thanks for the informative post. Do you have any part number(s) for the HID PAR-36 replacement lamps? Charlie Kuss --- P M Condon wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: P M Condon > > > A short study on round headlamps or lights and > replacements. > > There are three main sizes for the round headlamps > in the USA. 7", 5.74 > and 4 inch or PAR-36 size are the diameters of the > common round > headlamps. My RV, as most takes the smaller PAR-36 > sized round > headlamps. > > The traditional, standard aviation PAR-36, 4 inch > round headlamp > (Cessna, Piper, ect.) is the GE-4509, rated for 25 > operational hours and > has a low candle power output. This is the headlamp > that most FBO's > will have in stock, and, as I stated is the > "traditional" aviation > headlamp. The GE-4537 is the 5.75 inch diameter > aviation variant. > > Next in performance is the halogen headlamp that is > of the same > form-fit-factor-size as the aviation GE-4509 - > meaning you can replace > this aviation headlamp with a halogen H-7604 in our > experimentals. The > H-7604 is rated at 50 watts and 100,000CP. Or, for > more lumens of light > you can go with the Q-4509 Halogen 100 watt, > 140,000CP, PAR-36, 100 hr > rated life headlamp. > > Lastly, you could go with HID that has 340,000CP and > only consume 35 > watts of power. This route will require a conversion > assembly that the > folks at RMD said takes only seconds to install. The > price on this HID > option is about 500 dollars from RMD. The HIDS are > the way to go from a > pure performance and amount of light and low power > requirement. > However,when I consider cost and performance, the > Halogen replacement is > the way I will go. Besides, I don't need permission > to spend 9 > dollars...I need wifely permission (and concessions) > to spend the 500 > dollars. > > Bottom line (for me) I will be converting from the > PAR-36 sized, GE-4595 > traditional headlamp to a halogen Q-4509. I will be > increasing my CP > output by a 50% factor while spending 9 dollars per > headlamp assembly. > In this case there will be a slight power > requirement increase; however > I sized my wire and breakers for this upgrade. > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:53 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" RV-7 tailwheel tip-up...the plans call for using a bulkhead union fitting where the fuel vent lines exit the floor. They call out slicing the forward face at an angle and covering the opening with a piece of screen. I assume it was the same on earlier models. Is there a more elegant solution, i.e. something you can buy off the shelf? The thought of having to file off the threads and slice this thing, then basically gluing on a screen sounds kludgy, although yeah, it works and it's cheap. But what I'm after is a pre-made exit fitting that would look prettier out of the box. Thanks in advance, )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (fuselage) http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:08 AM PST US From: "Neil McLeod" Subject: Re: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? --> RV-List message posted by: "Neil McLeod" I agree there should be a cleaner solution although I built mine per plan. What I am more concerned about is the probabilty that these are going to ice up. My 182 has the vent behind the strut for this reason. I don't plan to fly in any ice or even IFR but if I ever have an inavdvertant encounter I would be a bummer to be brought down by this. Anybody else thought about or done anything about this? Neil -7 slider (wiring) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > RV-7 tailwheel tip-up...the plans call for using a bulkhead union fitting > where the fuel vent lines exit the floor. They call out slicing the forward > face at an angle and covering the opening with a piece of screen. I assume > it was the same on earlier models. > > Is there a more elegant solution, i.e. something you can buy off the shelf? > The thought of having to file off the threads and slice this thing, then > basically gluing on a screen sounds kludgy, although yeah, it works and it's > cheap. But what I'm after is a pre-made exit fitting that would look > prettier out of the box. > > Thanks in advance, > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D (fuselage) > http://www.rvproject.com > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:35 AM PST US From: HCRV6@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap/Aileron gap --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com Dana, I don't know what you are building and I don't have my plans handy but I recall that somewhere, either in the plans or the instruction manual, the aileron to flap gap for RV-6/76A is specified to be a minimum of 1/4th inch. Harry Crosby Pleasanton, California RV-6, starting firewall forward ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:44 AM PST US From: mstewart@qa.butler.com Subject: RE: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? --> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com On my NEXT plane.... Im running the vent out some place other than the place where it stinks up the cockpit all the time. To answer your question, yes it was done on earlier models. You could just run the line out the bottom through a grommet. And be done with it. There is probably some logic to running it six feet away, into the fuse, up the side wall, and down into a place hard to get to, but Ill be damned if I know what it is. I agree, the chewed up bulkhead fitting looks and is cheesey. Mike Stewart 6A flying -----Original Message----- From: Dan Checkoway [mailto:dan@rvproject.com] Subject: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" RV-7 tailwheel tip-up...the plans call for using a bulkhead union fitting where the fuel vent lines exit the floor. They call out slicing the forward face at an angle and covering the opening with a piece of screen. I assume it was the same on earlier models. Is there a more elegant solution, i.e. something you can buy off the shelf? The thought of having to file off the threads and slice this thing, then basically gluing on a screen sounds kludgy, although yeah, it works and it's cheap. But what I'm after is a pre-made exit fitting that would look prettier out of the box. Thanks in advance, )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (fuselage) http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? From: "Larry Bowen" --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" I bought two tip-up pitot covers from Wicks for mine. The kind that blow back in the slip-stream, or in this case the prop wash. Should keep the mud daubers out.... -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com 2003: The Year of Flight! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Checkoway" > To: > Subject: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" >> >> RV-7 tailwheel tip-up...the plans call for using a bulkhead union >> fitting where the fuel vent lines exit the floor. They call out >> slicing the > forward >> face at an angle and covering the opening with a piece of screen. I > assume >> it was the same on earlier models. >> >> Is there a more elegant solution, i.e. something you can buy off the > shelf? >> The thought of having to file off the threads and slice this thing, >> then basically gluing on a screen sounds kludgy, although yeah, it >> works and > it's >> cheap. But what I'm after is a pre-made exit fitting that would look >> prettier out of the box. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> )_( Dan >> RV-7 N714D (fuselage) >> http://www.rvproject.com >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:58 AM PST US From: "Norman" Subject: RV-List: Seat heat and Air Conditioning --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" Too hot in your airplane? For a short time last year I had a 2002 Lincoln Navigator and I noticed that the front seats had electric heat and air conditioning. I could feel small plastic piping just under the leather that must have been the air conditioning. What is the world coming too? I doubt the wreckers will be seeing these vehicles in any great numbers for awhile but I thought I would pass it on anyway. A friend got his new 2003 Eddie Bauer Ford Expedition recently and it had the same seats. Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:16 AM PST US From: "Tom Gummo" Subject: Re: RV-List: reading too much --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" Or think about it as ON THE JOB TRAINING. Read while you work. :-) Get pounding those rivets. Tom Gummo Apple Valley, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frazier, Vincent A" Subject: RV-List: reading too much > --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" > > SNIP And yes I know I should stop reading and start building. So I am trying to learn as much as I can by reading these lists so hopefully when I do start building it will be easier from all I have learned on these lists. SNIP > > With apologies in advance for this analogy, but it is soo true.... > > When I was a teenager I read everything I could about GIRLS and SEX, but nothing I read prepared me for the real deal! So quit reading and start building! > > A dirty old man in Indiana ;-) > > DO NOT ARCHIVE even though it is true and useful information for all you fence sitters! > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:03 AM PST US From: "WALTER KERR" Subject: Re: RV-List: Big RV flyin at Lakeland SnF site this weekend --> RV-List message posted by: "WALTER KERR" Your signature indicates there is another RV in the barn, we would be happy to have you in the 4 :>) Bernie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hatch" Subject: Re: RV-List: Big RV flyin at Lakeland SnF site this weekend > --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" > > Sorry, Bernie, won't be able to make it this time--next one for sure. I am > right in the middle of painting my airplane. For a sneak preview check out > my web site at: > > http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-pathatch > > Should be done in a couple of weeks hopefully. > > do not archive > > Pat Hatch > RV-4, N17PH, 700 hrs > O-320, Hartzell C/S > RV-6, N44PH, 40 hrs > O-360, Hartzell C/S > Vero Beach, FL > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "WALTER KERR" > To: "rv-list" > Subject: RV-List: Big RV flyin at Lakeland SnF site this weekend > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "WALTER KERR" > > > > Everything is on go for a good low key RV flyin at the SnF site this > Friday and Saturday. > > > > Some folks are planning on meeting at Tony's on the N side of the airport > for lunch and then moving over to the site. We will be parking RV's between > the FAA building and the vendor buildings and non RV's in front of the > vendor buildings. > > > > Friday evening ,the museum has a featured speaker talking about making the > book; USA from 500 feet. There is a charge if you wish to do this. > > > > We will order pizza and someone will make a beer run to the supermarket > for those so inclined. > > > > There will be a campfire and lots of hangar stories. Camping is free and > there will be a shower house with hot water. > > > > Breakfast and lunch on Saturday will be provided by a local EAA Chapter. > > > > There will be 3 forums for those interested on Sat morning. Jan Bussel, a > CFII with a 6A, will be doing a forum on landing your RV. This will be an > expansion on what Van has started in the RVator. Mike Stewart will be doing > a forum on formation flying. Bernie Kerr will be talking about building a > new prepunch kit compared to his 1997 6A prepunch kit. He will also talk > about his experience mounting a rotary in his new 9A. > > > > Please register (free) as there are door prizes to be given away at the > forums. There is some free 100LL provided by the local FBO and SnF is > providing some gifts from their shop. > > > > You can also see the grand coming out of several really neat new RV's, Dr > Jim Norman plans on being there and I assume we will see Pat Hatch's new 6A. > Both of these are really loaded and well done RV's. People are always > raising the bar on new airplanes :>) > > > > Do not archive > > Bernie Kerr > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:24 AM PST US From: "Norman" Subject: Re: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" > What I am more concerned about is the probabilty that these are going to ice > up. My 182 has the vent behind the strut for this reason. I don't plan to > fly in any ice or even IFR but if I ever have an inavdvertant encounter I > would be a bummer to be brought down by this. Anybody else thought about or > done anything about this? Yup, I'm building a small fairing in front of both vuel tank vents. If any ice or snow wants to cling to the airframe it will hopefully leave the vent opening alone. Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:07 AM PST US From: Ken Harrill Subject: RE: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Harrill Dan, I used a 90 degree bulkhead fitting. I sawed off the threaded part of the 90 degree elbow and polished it. Install it so that the elbow faces forward. You can also epoxy a stainless screen on the front covered by a stainless washer. Looks much more finished. Ken Harrill RV-6, 140 hours --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" RV-7 tailwheel tip-up...the plans call for using a bulkhead union fitting where the fuel vent lines exit the floor. They call out slicing the forward face at an angle and covering the opening with a piece of screen. I assume it was the same on earlier models. Is there a more elegant solution, i.e. something you can buy off the shelf? The thought of having to file off the threads and slice this thing, then basically gluing on a screen sounds kludgy, although yeah, it works and it's cheap. But what I'm after is a pre-made exit fitting that would look prettier out of the box. Thanks in advance, )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (fuselage) http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:23 AM PST US From: "Marcus" Subject: RV-List: AN5812 12V pitot tube for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Marcus" I have decided to fit a heated pitot static tube to my RV8 therefore the heated pitot tube I already have is for sale. AN5812 12V, it is new and unused, retail price over 200 (US$ 300), yours for 180 (US$ 280)ono. Aircraft spruce do a very nice chrome conversion kit to fit these tubes to RV's, which I have had approval for from the PFA. marcustuck@cwcom.net Marcus Tuck RV8 (In the UK) ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:48 AM PST US From: "David Carter" Subject: Re: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? --> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" If these vents face forward, I don't suppose flying in warm (not even close to freezing) rain would never force rain water uphill throught the cockpit loop and out into the fuel tank. If the tank is sealed, except for the vent, there could be NO airflow into the vent line, right? David Carter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Harrill" Subject: RE: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? > --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Harrill > > Dan, > > I used a 90 degree bulkhead fitting. I sawed off the threaded part of the > 90 degree elbow and polished it. Install it so that the elbow faces > forward. You can also epoxy a stainless screen on the front covered by a > stainless washer. Looks much more finished. > > Ken Harrill > RV-6, 140 hours > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > RV-7 tailwheel tip-up...the plans call for using a bulkhead union fitting > where the fuel vent lines exit the floor. They call out slicing the forward > face at an angle and covering the opening with a piece of screen. I assume > it was the same on earlier models. > > Is there a more elegant solution, i.e. something you can buy off the shelf? > The thought of having to file off the threads and slice this thing, then > basically gluing on a screen sounds kludgy, although yeah, it works and it's > cheap. But what I'm after is a pre-made exit fitting that would look > prettier out of the box. > > Thanks in advance, > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D (fuselage) > http://www.rvproject.com > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:10 AM PST US From: "WALTER KERR" Subject: Re: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? --> RV-List message posted by: "WALTER KERR" OK you guys! Van says don't screw with the fuel system :>) The reason that the vent runs up high in the cabin before exiting is to keep your juice in the tanks instead of on the ground. If you happen to be parked with full tanks on an incline with one wing low. Something about liquids and gravity? The ugly fitting under the fuselage certainly stinks up the cockpit after topping off and climbing out on a warm day. Kinda gets your attention until you know where it's coming from. I've heard of an instance where a builder built a nice looking ram probe, but it stuck out into the airstream to get better ram pressure to keep the stink out. It also is colder out there out of the nacelle boundary layer air and he promptly froze them up in some very light icing conditions and it got quiet in the cockpit until a lower altitude was reached and they opened. Needless to say he went back to the ugly system!! Now after saying all this, I am adding tankage to my 9A. I am doing my level best to make the stock system stock but with some extra capacity in the outboard three leading edge bays of both wings. Hope to see a good turn out at Lakeland this weekend. The weather appears to not be anything significant in the long term forcast. Bernie Kerr ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:08 PM PST US From: SportAV8R@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com We must assume that about eight gallons of air per hour is being sucked in, to replace the fuel... > If the tank is sealed, except for the > vent, there could be NO airflow into the vent line, right? > > David ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:41 PM PST US From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" Subject: RV-List: Non-RV-related: GPS III Pilot problems --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" Not specifically RV related but I'm hoping someone out there can help me. I'm having a problem with my Garmin GPS III Pilot: when I have the backlighting turned on, I begin to lose signal strength. If I turn BLing up to full intensity, I completely lose my satellite locks, have to power down the unit to reaquire. The unit will not acquire any sats if BLing is turned on. Is anyone else who uses these units experiencing this problem? -- Scott VanArtsdalen Network Manager Union Safe Deposit Bank 209-946-5116 Not specifically RV related but I'm hoping someone out there can help me. I'm having a problem with my Garmin GPS III Pilot: when I have the backlighting turned on, I begin to lose signal strength. If I turn BLing up to full intensity, I completely lose my satellite locks, have to power down the unit to reaquire. The unit will not acquire any sats if BLing is turned on. Is anyone else who uses these units experiencing this problem? -- Scott VanArtsdalen Network Manager Union Safe Deposit Bank 209-946-5116 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:24 PM PST US From: Scott Brumbelow Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV-related: GPS III Pilot problems --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Brumbelow I have this unit, and have not had these problems. It sounds like a battery/power problem to me... "Van Artsdalen, Scott" wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" > > Not specifically RV related but I'm hoping someone out there can help me. > I'm having a problem with my Garmin GPS III Pilot: when I have the > backlighting turned on, I begin to lose signal strength. If I turn BLing up > to full intensity, I completely lose my satellite locks, have to power down > the unit to reaquire. The unit will not acquire any sats if BLing is > turned on. Is anyone else who uses these units experiencing this problem? > > -- > Scott VanArtsdalen > Network Manager > Union Safe Deposit Bank > 209-946-5116 > > > > > > > > > > > > > font-family:Arial'>Not specifically RV related but I'm hoping someone out > there can help me. I'm having a > problem with my Garmin GPS III Pilot: when I have the > backlighting turned on, I begin to lose signal strength. style'mso-spacerun:yes'>If I turn BLing up > to full intensity, I completely lose my satellite locks, > have to power down the unit to reaquire. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> The unit will not acquire any classSpellE>sats if BLing is turned on. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Is anyone else who uses these units > experiencing this problem? > > font-family:Arial'> > > font-family:Arial;mso-no-proof:yes'>-- yes'> > > style'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>Scott > VanArtsdalen > > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:gray;mso-no-proof:yes'>Network Manager style'mso-no-proof:yes'> > > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:gray;mso-no-proof:yes'>Union Safe Deposit Bank style'mso-no-proof:yes'> > > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:gray;mso-no-proof:yes'>209-946-5116 > > 12.0pt'> > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:24 PM PST US From: "RV_8 Pilot" Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV-related: GPS III Pilot problems --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" Sorry, I haven't had exactly the same problem, but I do have a couple of things that may help you with yours. It sounds like a voltage regulation problem possibly. I'm not electron whiz, but I believe the antenna on gps require power to function. The drain or load from the lit display may be causing reception problems if the voltage is dropping. Just a WAG. I did send my GPS III in to Garmin for a new backlight and software update. Don't worry - if you decide to send it in, you'll get very prompt service and what I thought was a reasonably priced bill from Garmin. Good luck. Bryan Jones -8 Pearland, Texas ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:51 PM PST US From: "David Carter" Subject: Re: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? --> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" Good point. 8 gal/hr is 1024 fl oz/60min = 17 fl oz/min or 0.28 fl oz/sec. 1/3 fl oz/ sec is a definite flow, but wonder if gravity will keep the rain from being forced uphill at that low flow. If I want to find out I can put a little/short "down and back up loop" in the loop inside cockpit near the top and put a drain valve so I could fly through rain, then open the valve and actually see if any water was trapped there (like a p trap under a sink). Something like one really should have in their pitot and static lines, though those don't so much fill with "ram water" as with condensation over a long period of time. David ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? > --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com > > We must assume that about eight gallons of air per hour is being sucked in, > to replace the fuel... > > > If the tank is sealed, except for the > > vent, there could be NO airflow into the vent line, right? > > > > David > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:51 PM PST US From: "Rick Jory" Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV-related: GPS III Pilot problems --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Jory" I'll add my two cents, but not re: the GPS III problem. I recently acquired the new 196. Wow. What a great toy. One thing it does nicely is show your altitude (GPS based), which you can compare to your barometric instrument. Of course, the Garmin shows it to the nearest foot!! Great device, easy to read, easy to maneuver around its various menus, etc. I'm fabricating a bracket for my backseater (8A) so that this will be their primary distraction. When there is no back-seater, I bought the optional "bean bag" stand so that I could set this on my glare shield and use it as a second nav tool. Rick Jory RV8A ----- Original Message ----- From: RV_8 Pilot Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV-related: GPS III Pilot problems > --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" > > Sorry, I haven't had exactly the same problem, but I do have a couple of > things that may help you with yours. It sounds like a voltage regulation > problem possibly. I'm not electron whiz, but I believe the antenna on gps > require power to function. The drain or load from the lit display may be > causing reception problems if the voltage is dropping. Just a WAG. > > I did send my GPS III in to Garmin for a new backlight and software update. > Don't worry - if you decide to send it in, you'll get very prompt service > and what I thought was a reasonably priced bill from Garmin. > > Good luck. > > Bryan Jones -8 > Pearland, Texas > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:03 PM PST US From: "Michel" Subject: RE: RV-List: Non-RV-related: GPS III Pilot problems --> RV-List message posted by: "Michel" Interesting! I had exactly the same problem a couple of years ago. I took off at dusk with my RV3, on the way I lost the GPS signal. I figured that's great at night is the best time to lose the GPS signal. It took a couple of other times before I discovered it was when I brought the light intensity up that the signal disappeared. I completed the trip with a flashlight on the GPS. Contacted Garmin and they needed the unit to repair some software issue. As was indicated turnaround was very good, but this is where you notice how dependent you become of those gadgets. Michel 81117 ...40 hrs -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Van Artsdalen, Scott Subject: RV-List: Non-RV-related: GPS III Pilot problems --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" Not specifically RV related but I'm hoping someone out there can help me. I'm having a problem with my Garmin GPS III Pilot: when I have the backlighting turned on, I begin to lose signal strength. If I turn BLing up to full intensity, I completely lose my satellite locks, have to power down the unit to reaquire. The unit will not acquire any sats if BLing is turned on. Is anyone else who uses these units experiencing this problem? -- Scott VanArtsdalen Network Manager Union Safe Deposit Bank 209-946-5116 Not specifically RV related but I'm hoping someone out there can help me. I'm having a problem with my Garmin GPS III Pilot: when I have the backlighting turned on, I begin to lose signal strength. If I turn BLing up to full intensity, I completely lose my satellite locks, have to power down the unit to reaquire. The unit will not acquire any sats if BLing is turned on. Is anyone else who uses these units experiencing this problem? -- Sc ott VanArtsdalen Network Manager Union Safe Deposit Bank 209-946-5116< /o:p> ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:46 PM PST US From: Chris Subject: Re: RV-List: reading too much --> RV-List message posted by: Chris "Frazier, Vincent A" wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" > > SNIP And yes I know I should stop reading and start building. So I am trying to learn as much as I can by reading these lists so hopefully when I do start building it will be easier from all I have learned on these lists. SNIP > > With apologies in advance for this analogy, but it is soo true.... > > When I was a teenager I read everything I could about GIRLS and SEX, but nothing I read prepared me for the real deal! So quit reading and start building! Your analogy is fine, and no apologies needed for it, but you to my comment out of context. In the original message I said that I am not building right now because it isn't possible at this time. If it were I would be. Believe me this is one thing I am not procrastinating. And when I do start building I plan on building it as fast as I can. So in the mean time I am doing the next best thing and learning all I can in the process. -- Chris Woodhouse 3147 SW 127th St. Oklahoma City, OK 73170 405-691-5206 (home) chrisw@programmer.net N35 20.492' W97 34.342' ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:48 PM PST US From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" Subject: RE: RV-List: Non-RV-related: GPS III Pilot problems --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" Cool! Thanks to all for their input. Sounds like I send it in. As I told another lister, $150 for a brand new GPS III isn't a bad deal anyway. -----Original Message----- From: Michel [mailto:rv8ter@rogers.com] Subject: RE: RV-List: Non-RV-related: GPS III Pilot problems --> RV-List message posted by: "Michel" Interesting! I had exactly the same problem a couple of years ago. I took off at dusk with my RV3, on the way I lost the GPS signal. I figured that's great at night is the best time to lose the GPS signal. It took a couple of other times before I discovered it was when I brought the light intensity up that the signal disappeared. I completed the trip with a flashlight on the GPS. Contacted Garmin and they needed the unit to repair some software issue. As was indicated turnaround was very good, but this is where you notice how dependent you become of those gadgets. Michel 81117 ...40 hrs -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Van Artsdalen, Scott Subject: RV-List: Non-RV-related: GPS III Pilot problems --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" Not specifically RV related but I'm hoping someone out there can help me. I'm having a problem with my Garmin GPS III Pilot: when I have the backlighting turned on, I begin to lose signal strength. If I turn BLing up to full intensity, I completely lose my satellite locks, have to power down the unit to reaquire. The unit will not acquire any sats if BLing is turned on. Is anyone else who uses these units experiencing this problem? -- Scott VanArtsdalen Network Manager Union Safe Deposit Bank 209-946-5116 Not specifically RV related but I'm hoping someone out there can help me. I'm having a problem with my Garmin GPS III Pilot: when I have the backlighting turned on, I begin to lose signal strength. If I turn BLing up to full intensity, I completely lose my satellite locks, have to power down the unit to reaquire. The unit will not acquire any sats if BLing is turned on. Is anyone else who uses these units experiencing this problem? -- Sc ott VanArtsdalen Network Manager Union Safe Deposit Bank 209-946-5116< /o:p> ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:54 PM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: RV-List: Fuel selector valve attach --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point Somebody please help me find this snake before it bites me... Which drawing (RV-6) shows the attachment of the fuel selector plate to the spar bulkhead and the control console? Thanks Jeff Point RV-6 finish kit Milwaukee WI ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:54 PM PST US From: Roger Embree Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV-related: GPS III Pilot problems --> RV-List message posted by: Roger Embree I have exactly the same problem. Thanks to Scott for bringing this up and others for the solution. I'll be sending mine in for the software upgrade. Roger Embree CGIRH -4 119hrs ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:10 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: reading too much --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" How 'bout a DO NOT ARCHIVE for this thread?? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris Subject: Re: RV-List: reading too much --> RV-List message posted by: Chris "Frazier, Vincent A" wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" > > SNIP And yes I know I should stop reading and start building. So I am trying to learn as much as I can by reading these lists so hopefully when I do start building it will be easier from all I have learned on these lists. SNIP > > With apologies in advance for this analogy, but it is soo true.... > > When I was a teenager I read everything I could about GIRLS and SEX, but nothing I read prepared me for the real deal! So quit reading and start building! Your analogy is fine, and no apologies needed for it, but you to my comment out of context. In the original message I said that I am not building right now because it isn't possible at this time. If it were I would be. Believe me this is one thing I am not procrastinating. And when I do start building I plan on building it as fast as I can. So in the mean time I am doing the next best thing and learning all I can in the process. -- Chris Woodhouse 3147 SW 127th St. Oklahoma City, OK 73170 405-691-5206 (home) chrisw@programmer.net N35 20.492' W97 34.342' ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:30 PM PST US From: "John Starn" Subject: Re: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? --> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" Do Not Archive. Being a plumbing contractor for more than 25 yrs I would warn against using a "P-trap" type of loop. The P-trap is specificly designed to stop air flow. Also P-traps are sized one size smaller (at least) than the veritical DWV (drain-waste-vent) piping. Your discribing a "running trap" (illegal in most states) this also this "could" cause just enough suction to syphon the tank while parked. I'm not an "injunear" just a poo ole plumber. KABONG ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Carter" Subject: Re: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? > --> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" > > Good point. 8 gal/hr is 1024 fl oz/60min = 17 fl oz/min or 0.28 fl oz/sec. > 1/3 fl oz/ sec is a definite flow, but wonder if gravity will keep the rain > from being forced uphill at that low flow. If I want to find out I can put > a little/short "down and back up loop" in the loop inside cockpit near the > top and put a drain valve so I could fly through rain, then open the valve > and actually see if any water was trapped there (like a p trap under a > sink). Something like one really should have in their pitot and static > lines, though those don't so much fill with "ram water" as with condensation > over a long period of time. > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com > > > > We must assume that about eight gallons of air per hour is being sucked > in, > > to replace the fuel... > > > > > If the tank is sealed, except for the > > > vent, there could be NO airflow into the vent line, right? > > > > > > David > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:57 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel selector valve attach --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan Jeff Point wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point > > Somebody please help me find this snake before it bites me... > > Which drawing (RV-6) shows the attachment of the fuel selector plate to > the spar bulkhead and the control console? > > Thanks > Jeff Point > RV-6 finish kit > Milwaukee WI Dwg 32, upper left corner, and bottom center. Jeff, I used a mod that I saw somewhere and really recommend it. If you mount the valve plate *under* the floor pans (instead of above as shown in the plans), you can remove the floor pans MUCH easier. Here is a link: http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/finish3.html Scroll down to near the bottom of the page. Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:46 PM PST US From: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" Subject: RV-List: new stuff / old stuff --> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" NEW STUFF Lots of new items (mostly on flying skills) that are not yet posted on Builder's Bookstore. So, until they are in about 4-5 days, we'll do a 20% off sale. (valid till Moday the 13th) As they are not yet posted, if you want anything from this list, please order by return e-mail or phone. Tell us your on the RV-list and we'll deduct 20%. Pilot's Manual (Textbooks) - Jeppesen Brush up on your flying skills, or earn a new rating. The Jeppesen pilot's manuals are top shelf! A little bit pricey, but the best available. They will be replacing the lesser quality ASA manuals we used to carry. Private Pilot Manual $76.95 now $61.56 Instrument/Commercial Pilot Manual $81.95 now $65.56 Flight Instructor Manual $72.95 now $58.36 Multi Engine Manual $59.95 now $47.96 (for the RV-12?) Flight School - CD A complete at-home course with an interactive textbook, lesson plans, audio, animations, and the complete written test guide with a self grading virtual test experience. This is a really neat program. Private Pilot Flight School $154.95 now $123.96 Instrument Pilot Flight School $159.95 now $127.96 2003 FAR/AIMs with FARs for AMTs on CD $29.95 now $23.96 Human Factors for Aviation Accident analysis based on human perception, cockpit and panel design, physiological issues, and resource management $41.95 now $33.56 Flight Theory for Pilots An primary but somewhat technical aerodynamics text written for Air Force pilots. Lots of math. $23.95 now $19.16 OLD STUFF Here's a few more bargain basement items at big discounts. These are either older editions, slightly worn items, or brand new sample books we are not going to carry. Most of these are 1 of a kind, so its first come first serve. Understanding Composites brand new and excellent composite working books specifically for light aircraft. These are normally $29.95 but I've got a few (9) with clipped covers which are now 1/2 price $15.00 Advanced Composites The characteristics and use of high tech materials such as carbon, kevlar, borons, honeycombs, etc... 2 left of the earlier edition. Was $32.95 Now $15.00 Avionics Technician Best Shop Practices 1 left of the 2002 edition Was $19.95 Now $10.00 Panel Planner Software an earlier version we were sent for evaluation. Definitely not worth the $125 they were asking for it, but may be fun to play with for just $20 Understanding Performance Flight Testing flight testing for kitplanes. a good book which is somewhat more technically written but not that much better than Flight Testing For Homebuilt Aircraft, that we currently carry, but since this one is $10 more, I elected to stick with the original. 1 sample copy Was $35 now $20 Gleim Private Flight Manuevers I don't particularly like the Gleim books. Some do; I don't. Here's one for $10. Gleim Private Test guide Same as above. Its OK, but the Jepp and ASA books are better 1 for $10 Gleim Aviation weather Not even close to the quality of the Jeppesen Weather book; but it is cheaper. Now this one is alot cheaper $10 Aviation Law - an introduction Not our thing. If its your's, heres an good sized, hard cover text for $20 The Around The Rim Flight Story of Col. RS Hartz who flew a twin engine Glen-Martin Bomber around the US. $5 - or because you've patiently read through this entire post; Free with any other order. But I've just got one. Thanks, Andy Builder's Bookstore http://www.buildersbooks.com 800 780-4115 do not archive ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:25 PM PST US From: "David Carter" Subject: RV-List: Re: Vent Line --> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" Bruce, Excellent idea. Thanks for the explanation. I'll post this to the list, as it is quite relevant to current thread. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Bell" Subject: Re: Vent Line > David, > There is less chance of a complete line blockage. If the front hole gets > blocked with ice or a foreign object you just still might have a open vent > line. Later Beech heated these fuel vents. > Bruce Bell > Lubbock, Texas > RV4 # 2888 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Carter" > To: "Bruce Bell" > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 5:10 PM > Subject: Re: Vent Line > > > > Hello, Bruce. Thanks for the reply. What is the .040 hole in back of > vent > > line for? > > > > David > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bruce Bell" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 3:29 PM > > Subject: Vent Line > > > > > > > Hi David, > > > On my 1949 A35 Bonanza Beech drilled a 40 or so hole on the aft side of > > the > > > fuel vent line. In fact I am going to do that on my RV4 right now! > > > Regards, > > > Bruce Bell > > > Lubbock, Texas > > > RV4 # 2888 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:47 PM PST US From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com Hi All, I'd say something about the 2" chord by 0.25 thick symmetrical airfoil pressure vent with two static vents that I've been flying on my RV-3 for 14 years, but someone would probably just label the title with [SPAM]. Funny how (after developing a specialized product) when I try to sell it, I become the "BAD GUY". Too bad. Jim Ayers RV-3 N47RV sn50 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:07 PM PST US From: JDaniel343@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? --> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com Keep in mind the leg gear intersection will fit over the vent if it is placed to far to the outside. This can be fixed but may require a longer tube than you thought would be required. John Danielson RV-6 110 hrs ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:41 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer mstewart@qa.butler.com wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com > > On my NEXT plane.... > Im running the vent out some place other than the place where it stinks up > the cockpit all the time. > > To answer your question, yes it was done on earlier models. > You could just run the line out the bottom through a grommet. And be done > with it. > There is probably some logic to running it six feet away, into the fuse, up > the side wall, and down into a place hard to get to, but Ill be damned if I > know what it is. > I agree, the chewed up bulkhead fitting looks and is cheesey. > Mike Stewart > 6A flying > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Checkoway [mailto:dan@rvproject.com] > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > RV-7 tailwheel tip-up...the plans call for using a bulkhead union fitting > where the fuel vent lines exit the floor. They call out slicing the forward > face at an angle and covering the opening with a piece of screen. I assume > it was the same on earlier models. > > Is there a more elegant solution, i.e. something you can buy off the shelf? > The thought of having to file off the threads and slice this thing, then > basically gluing on a screen sounds kludgy, although yeah, it works and it's > cheap. But what I'm after is a pre-made exit fitting that would look > prettier out of the box. > > Thanks in advance, > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D (fuselage) > http://www.rvproject.com > I certainly know what my vent inlet looks like, but out of all the RVs I've looked at since the first RV-3 I saw in 1970 I cannot remember what one of those other vent inlets looks like. If they are done neatly and painted you don't really notice them. You would be better off spending time on your upper gear leg farings because that is what people are going to be looking at when they are crawling around under your airplane. :-) Rain water getting into the vent in flight has been a none issue, in my case anyway, and I have been in some pretty nasty rains storms. Jerry do not archive ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:12 PM PST US From: Ed Holyoke Subject: RE: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? --> RV-List message posted by: Ed Holyoke Jim, Bad guy or not, I'm curious and would like to know more. Ed Holyoke 6QB drilling engine mount to firewall tomorrow night. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LeastDrag93066@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:41 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: fuel vent exit fittings...anything cleaner? > > --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com > > Hi All, > > I'd say something about the 2" chord by 0.25 thick symmetrical airfoil > pressure vent with two static vents that I've been flying on my RV-3 for > 14 > years, but someone would probably just label the title with [SPAM]. > > Funny how (after developing a specialized product) when I try to sell it, > I > become the "BAD GUY". > > Too bad. > > Jim Ayers > RV-3 N47RV sn50 > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:35 PM PST US From: Rob Prior Subject: Re: RV-List: Non-RV-related: GPS III Pilot problems --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior Before everyone sends their GPS in for service, you might want to check to see if you're running the latest firmware on it. http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsIIIPilot/download.html Or, start from the www.garmin.com page and click on "software updates". If it's just a software update, then this is likely it. If it's not "just" a software update, you may still need to send your unit in... But it may be worth trying this first. If it does work, however, you may have just saved yourself $150. -RB4 Roger Embree wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Roger Embree > > I have exactly the same problem. > > Thanks to Scott for bringing this up and others for the solution. I'll > be sending mine in for the software upgrade. > -- --------- Rob Prior rv7 "at" b4.ca ----------------------------- Stop dreaming... Start flying perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'