---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/18/03: 35 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:18 AM - wheel clearance (Jim Jewell) 2. 04:39 AM - Re: Pitot hole in wing (Dana Overall) 3. 06:07 AM - Panel/Load Centers/Solid State? (J. R. Dial) 4. 06:11 AM - Stuff for Sale (MSices) 5. 06:13 AM - Re: 4 into one exhaust (RICKRV6@aol.com) 6. 06:15 AM - Re: Re: Led lights in the plane (Rick Jory) 7. 06:17 AM - Nigerian Air Force (Rick Galati) 8. 06:42 AM - Re: Panel/Load Centers/Solid State? (MSices) 9. 07:17 AM - Re: Re: Led lights in the plane (Elsa & Henry) 10. 07:41 AM - Overpainting powder paint (Dave Stewart) 11. 07:54 AM - Re: Fuel Lube (Van Artsdalen, Scott) 12. 07:58 AM - Re: 51% Requirements and Orndorff Videos (Van Artsdalen, Scott) 13. 07:59 AM - Re: Pitot hole in wing (Brad Benson) 14. 08:40 AM - Re: Overpainting powder paint (Randy Lervold) 15. 08:54 AM - Re: Fuel Lube (Steve J Hurlbut) 16. 09:08 AM - Re: 4 into one exhaust (Mauri Morin) 17. 09:17 AM - Re: 4 into one exhaust (Noel & Yoshie Simmons) 18. 09:19 AM - superior engine quote (lucky macy) 19. 09:19 AM - Clamp for nose strut fairing (Gary) 20. 10:02 AM - TOOLS -4- SALE! (Konrad Werner) 21. 10:25 AM - Re: Need Sensenich prop spacer for 0-360 (HCRV6@aol.com) 22. 11:33 AM - Re: Anybody doing Transition Training In Texas or Florida in a 6A? (Chopper) 23. 12:21 PM - Re: Fuel Lube (Larry Bowen) 24. 01:41 PM - Re: Fuel Lube (Miller Robert) 25. 02:33 PM - Left over parts two F 804 L (phil jones) 26. 03:06 PM - Re: Left over parts two F 804 L (Dana Overall) 27. 03:40 PM - Re:Leftover parts two F-804L (Oldsfolks@aol.com) 28. 03:43 PM - Re: Anybody doing Transition Training In Texas or Florida in a 6A? (Rquinn1@aol.com) 29. 04:58 PM - Re: Overpainting Powdercoat (Dick DeCramer) 30. 06:05 PM - Prop Questions (Keith and Jean Williams) 31. 06:08 PM - [ Bob Olds ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 32. 06:13 PM - Engine Hung (czechsix@juno.com) 33. 06:31 PM - Re: Fuel Lube (Randall Henderson) 34. 08:35 PM - Millenium Cylinders (Alex Peterson) 35. 09:15 PM - Re: Static Air Kits (Norman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:18:32 AM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: RV-List: wheel clearance --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" I'm fitting Van's main gear two piece wheel pants on my 6-a. What tire to wheel pant opening clearance is considered best over all? Jim in Kelowna ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:40 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: RV-List: Pitot hole in wing --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Brad, if the "hole" is nearly on the lateral rivet line of the leading edge skin and you can see that the hole through the spar flange (important) by looking in the inspection panel hole, that is where the Van pitot would go. If the "hole" is about 1.5" forward of the skin joint line, and just through the skin and not the spar flange, that is your tiedown. Find you tiedown and stick it in and turn.........if it stays...........tie that baby down there. Vans didn't pre punch the pitot hole in the 7. Dana Overall Richmond, KY http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive > >Brad, I believe you will find that (Other Hole) is treaded and is for your >"Wing Tie Down". ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:27 AM PST US From: "J. R. Dial" Subject: RV-List: Panel/Load Centers/Solid State? --> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" Has anybody used the solid state load centers or pre-made power panels that AS&S and /or VAN'S have it their catalogs? What is your opinion and any problems? I am starting on the panel and trying to decide if I want to use one of these or go the conventional route of individual breakers and switches. I am building light and will have attitude information but no VOR, ADF etc. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:18 AM PST US From: "MSices" Subject: RV-List: Stuff for Sale --> RV-List message posted by: "MSices" Vans Qty. 1 NEW 2" 'Y' Tube p/n: VENT DL-Y price: $12 (vans price$16.25) Qty. 1 NEW Plastic Vent p/n: VENDT SV-5 price: $11 (vans price $15.90) Qty. 1 NEW Starter Solenoid p/n: ES24021 price: $12 (vans price $15.92). *This is solenoid with only one contact point in front (not 2) Qty. 2 NEW Diode for Master Switch p/n: ES DIODE MASTER price: $1.50 (vans price $2.75) Qty. 2 NEW Diode for Starter Switch p/n: ES DIODE STARTER price: $1.50 (vans price $2.75) Qty. 1 NEW* Airflow Performance Filtered Airbox p/n: FAB 360-AP price: $80. NOTE: This unit was never used on a flying airplane; however, the nutplates on this kit have already been riveted to the VA131 top plate. Everything else is untouched as it comes from Vans and you can return in to me if it doesnt work for you. Spruce Qty. 1 NEW IN PACKAGE Eyeball Firewall Grommett/Assembly p/n SE961-250B price: $23 (Spruce price $27.50) Qty. 1 Oil Cooler Duct System Spruce p/n 08-05000 price: $25 (spruce price $34.50) Qty. 1 NEW* Oil Breather Separator Wicks p/n OIL-BS5/8 price: $30 (Wicks price $40). This unit is new/ never used PLUS I had it powdercoated (outside only) safety yellow (looks sharp). Qty. 30 Instrument Mounting Nuts price: $.50/ea Qty. 1 Tach cap cover price: $8 Qty. 1 Aeroelectric p/n FGB-24 24-Tab Groundblock price: $20 Qty. 1 Aeroelectric P/N FLK-1 Fusible Link Kit price: $3 SHIPPING at cost. DO NOT ARCHIVE Michael Sices N339JA RV-8, Finishing Gurnee, IL ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:53 AM PST US From: RICKRV6@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: 4 into one exhaust --> RV-List message posted by: RICKRV6@aol.com Gary, Have him try Sky Dynamics in Virginia. http://www.skydynamics.com/ Rick McBride In a message dated 1/18/03 12:53:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, rv6_flyer@hotmail.com writes: > Had a friend ask me if I knew of anyone making a 4 into 1 exhaust for an RV. > > He had one on his old RV-6 but does not know where he got it. His old > engine was from Lycon and they recommened the 4 into 1 exhaust that he had. > > His new RV has an engine from Performance Aero Engines and he wants the 4 > into 1 exhaust again. > > Can anyone send me a name with email, phone number, or web site to contact? > > I am happy with my High Country Vetterman exhaust and would use it again. > Different strokes for differnt folks. > > Gary A. Sobek > "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, > 1,239 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA > http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:41 AM PST US From: "Rick Jory" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Led lights in the plane --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Jory" I'm not Henry, but I know these can be ordered from www.LeeValley.com . They are only about $9 bucks U.S. . . . twenty or thirty bucks Canadian ;-) Rick Jory RV8A ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Bertsch Subject: RV-List: Re: Led lights in the plane > --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Bertsch > > > Henry, I read your description of the Photonpump and would like to get one. But I can't find any on-line anywhere. The only sites I can find that sell it are in Germany. > > Do you know anywhere they can be ordered in the states? > > Thanks. > > Jeff Bertsch > > RV-4, Houston, TX > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:25 AM PST US From: "Rick Galati" Subject: RV-List: Nigerian Air Force --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" Anybody know about the current status of the 60 RV-6A's purchased by the Nigerians? I was wondering how the design is holding up in a military environment. What are the aerodynamic changes the Nigerians made to the basic design, what kind of avionics are they fitted with, what is the typical mission profile, do they spin them, attrition rate, how many hours do they fly per month, how many hours is the new pilot expected to accumulate in the 6A before stepping up, do they operate from unimproved fields, history of repairable damage, does Van's Aircraft Inc.support them, and last but not least, did they prime the interior surfaces? --- Rick Galati --- rick07x@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:05 AM PST US From: "MSices" Subject: RE: RV-List: Panel/Load Centers/Solid State? --> RV-List message posted by: "MSices" I just finished all of my wiring into an EXP bus w/ annunicator panel. The system is very nice - and after lighting everything up recently for the first time, everything works as advertised. Also, the solid state breakers with automatic resetting linked to the annunciator panel is something you really don't get with conventional breakers. The system has a backup battery option that you would otherwise have to design into a conventional breaker setup. The unit has really nice professional looking rocker switches, and is an overall very well thought out design. My only fault with the unit then is the misconception that these units are somehow easier or less complicated to install. That's not the case. You spend as much time figuring out the schematics of the board and how to make your custom airplane work within the prescribed circuits as you would just installing a bank of Klixons wired to a main and avionics bus copper bar in my opinion. Standard breakers don't have the same features as the solid state ones though, but at least both can be reset in flight. Mike Sices RV8 N339JA Gurnee, IL -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of J. R. Dial Subject: RV-List: Panel/Load Centers/Solid State? --> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" Has anybody used the solid state load centers or pre-made power panels that AS&S and /or VAN'S have it their catalogs? What is your opinion and any problems? I am starting on the panel and trying to decide if I want to use one of these or go the conventional route of individual breakers and switches. I am building light and will have attitude information but no VOR, ADF etc. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:41 AM PST US From: "Elsa & Henry" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Led lights in the plane --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" Jeff, (and other interested listers), The PHOTONPUMP Led flashlights described in my posting yesterday (1/17) are sold by a Canadian company called Lee Valley, renowned for unusually fine quality carpentry and garden tools, plus items of unusual availability. They will accept orders and credit-card purchases from the US.--- Phone: 1-800-267-8767 or shop on-line at www.leevalley.com The quality and photography of/in their catalogues is "Par excellence".Their cacalogue Nos. are as follows: Red Led flashlight:--------45K16.16---Price: C$ 12.50 Moon Lenser flashlight:---45K16.95---Price: C$ 17.50 Cheers!!!-------Henry Hore ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:15 AM PST US From: "Dave Stewart" Subject: RV-List: Overpainting powder paint --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Stewart" I'm considering overpainting some of the (blindingly white) powdercoated components, (gear mounts, maybe canopy frame), with Rustoleum "hammered" or the like, to make them less obvious. I'd appreciate any comments on the proper steps to prepare/paint the parts from anyone who's done this successfully. Thanks. Dave (90252) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:41 AM PST US From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" Subject: RE: RV-List: Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" Ditto!! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Larry Pardue [mailto:n5lp@carlsbad.net] Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue >--> RV-List message posted by: sjhdcl@kingston.net > > >Anybody have another supplier (besides ACS) for fuel lube? > >I want to use it to sandwich the fuel tank gaskets. Might have to proseal >everything which is not such a bad thing. > FWIW. I did not find it fun to remove the left tank at first annual to remove Fuel Lube sealed gasket and replace with Proseal sealed plate with no gasket (due to Fuel Lube deterioration and leakage). Nor did I find it fun to remove the right tank at the second annual to do the same. Lots of spare Fuel Lube in my hangar that I will never use. Larry Pardue Carlsbad, NM RV-6 N441LP Flying http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:45 AM PST US From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" Subject: RE: RV-List: 51% Requirements and Orndorff Videos --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" My real-live Fed airworthiness inspector looked at a few of my photos. Never once even glanced at my detailed builder's log. -----Original Message----- From: tx_jayhawk@excite.com [mailto:tx_jayhawk@excite.com] Subject: RV-List: 51% Requirements and Orndorff Videos --> RV-List message posted by: "" All, > > A couple of questions from a newbie builder: > > 1) What are the specific documentation requirements to satisfy the 51% rule? I would like to do a website. On inspection do people a) refer the DAR to the website, b) print out copies and give them to inspector, or c) keep a separate "manual" journal. For those that get by with just the website...how often do the DARs like to see progress pictures? > > 2) I am just starting the building process, and the harsh reality that my life will be dependant on the integrity of this structure is starting to sink in. Does anyone have one or two of the used Orndorff videos for sale or rent? Not having riveted anything before, I think it might make sense to get some perspective. > > THanks, > Scott > RV7A Emp Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Pitot hole in wing From: "Brad Benson" --> RV-List message posted by: "Brad Benson" Thanks for the note Dana (and everyone else!) - I went with a doubler with a small disc of aluminum to fill the hole for now. I like the idea of putting an OAT sensor there at some point. It sounds like there might be a difference between the -7 and -6 in that regard; the 6QB tie down hole is essentially ready for use; I can screw the tie down in directly without any further work. The pitot hole is through the spar flange, as you describe. Grrr....I had forgotten about how my 6A project was delivered the same day as Van's announced the RV7. :-). Thanks! Brad "Sharpie" Benson RV6AQB underway... "Please buy my software, it's funding my RV6A project!" - http://www.notamd.com Dana Overall said: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > > > Brad, if the "hole" is nearly on the lateral rivet line of the > leading edge skin and you can see that the hole through the spar > flange (important) by looking in the inspection panel hole, that > is where the Van pitot would go. If the "hole" is about 1.5" > forward of the skin joint line, and just through the skin and not > the spar flange, that is your tiedown. Find you tiedown and > stick it in and turn.........if it stays...........tie that baby > down there. > > Vans didn't pre punch the pitot hole in the 7. > > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > >> >>Brad, I believe you will find that (Other Hole) is treaded and is >> for your "Wing Tie Down". > > Brad Benson, Software Architect Computer Data Strategies, Inc. Ph. 651-730-4156 / Fax 651-730-4161 "What's another word for thesaurus?" ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:00 AM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: Re: RV-List: Overpainting powder paint --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" I overpainted several powdercoated parts. Scotchbrite the heck out of it, until when viewed at an angle with a bright light there is literally no shine whatsoever to it, then paint. I did not prime, just painted. So far it's holding up just fine, in fact as well as on any other surface. Randy Lervold RV-8, 287.4 hrs www.rv-8.com Home Wing VAF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Stewart" Subject: RV-List: Overpainting powder paint > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Stewart" > > I'm considering overpainting some of the (blindingly white) powdercoated components, (gear mounts, maybe canopy frame), with Rustoleum "hammered" or the like, to make them less obvious. I'd appreciate any comments on the proper steps to prepare/paint the parts from anyone who's done this successfully. Thanks. > Dave (90252) > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:57 AM PST US From: "Steve J Hurlbut" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve J Hurlbut" That is what I'll probably end up doing. Proseal is the way to go. That is what I did on my last plane that I helped build and after 400+ hours no leaks anywhere. Its just that last time I mentioned it several people reported good luck with the fuel lube and gasket job. Proseal may make access harder later, but that is far better then leaky fuel tanks. Steve RV7A canopy frame & wiring Back to proseal for the last time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" Subject: RE: RV-List: Fuel Lube > --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" > > Ditto!! > > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Pardue [mailto:n5lp@carlsbad.net] > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel Lube > > --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: sjhdcl@kingston.net > > > > > >Anybody have another supplier (besides ACS) for fuel lube? > > > >I want to use it to sandwich the fuel tank gaskets. Might have to proseal > >everything which is not such a bad thing. > > > > FWIW. I did not find it fun to remove the left tank at first annual to > remove Fuel Lube sealed gasket and replace with Proseal sealed plate with > no gasket (due to Fuel Lube deterioration and leakage). Nor did I find > it fun to remove the right tank at the second annual to do the same. > > Lots of spare Fuel Lube in my hangar that I will never use. > > Larry Pardue > Carlsbad, NM > > RV-6 N441LP Flying > http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:13 AM PST US From: "Mauri Morin" Subject: Re: RV-List: 4 into one exhaust --> RV-List message posted by: "Mauri Morin" Gary, Try www. skydynamics.com for 4-1 exhaust Mauri RV8 wings\tanks (still) Polson,Mt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RV6 Flyer" Subject: RV-List: 4 into one exhaust > --> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" > > > Had a friend ask me if I knew of anyone making a 4 into 1 exhaust for an RV. > He had one on his old RV-6 but does not know where he got it. His old > engine was from Lycon and they recommened the 4 into 1 exhaust that he had. > His new RV has an engine from Performance Aero Engines and he wants the 4 > into 1 exhaust again. > > Can anyone send me a name with email, phone number, or web site to contact? > > I am happy with my High Country Vetterman exhaust and would use it again. > Different strokes for differnt folks. > > Gary A. Sobek > "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, > 1,239 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA > http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:14 AM PST US From: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" Subject: RE: RV-List: 4 into one exhaust --> RV-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" 1-800-770-7287 Aircraft Exhaust Technologies, Inc. 5059 Industrial Ave. Littlefork, Minnesota 56653 Noel and Yoshie Simmons Blue Sky Aviation, Inc. "We do builder assistance!" Toll Free: 866-859-0390 info@blueskyaviation.net www.blueskyaviation.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer Subject: RV-List: 4 into one exhaust --> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" Had a friend ask me if I knew of anyone making a 4 into 1 exhaust for an RV. He had one on his old RV-6 but does not know where he got it. His old engine was from Lycon and they recommened the 4 into 1 exhaust that he had. His new RV has an engine from Performance Aero Engines and he wants the 4 into 1 exhaust again. Can anyone send me a name with email, phone number, or web site to contact? I am happy with my High Country Vetterman exhaust and would use it again. Different strokes for differnt folks. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,239 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:10 AM PST US From: "lucky macy" Subject: RV-List: superior engine quote --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" Archive search didn't turn up what I was looking for. Neither did the collection of RVator and Tony's (RIP) firewall forward book. I asked for quotes on engines suitable for an RV-8. Superior sent me O-360-A1A2 for 19,990 O-360-B1A2 $20,990 IO-360-B1A2 $22,990 and XP IO-360-A1A2 $21,990 They only give dimensions and drawings on the B1A2. All these quotes include accessory option of magnetos, ignition harness, starter, fuel system, spark plugs and fuel pump. What's the difference between these numbers? I'm really interested in using a fuel injected engine and avoiding all carb quirks so what's the groups opinions on this selection compared to whatever the heck else is out there that's lycoming related? For example, from Van's catalog, Lycoming 180HP Part Number = EA IO-360-M1B Price = $27690.00 To me, this makes the Superior options a deal. That worries me 'cause I've obviously overlooked something and I know I'm completely novice at the engine game. Are the superior engines FAA certified or are they only experimental? Is Superior the only company that's apparently designed a Lycoming "upgrade" engine? TIA, Lucky ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:11 AM PST US From: "Gary" Subject: RV-List: Clamp for nose strut fairing --> RV-List message posted by: "Gary" Tim......I tried that, but it didn't work for me. That places the worm drives on the sides instead of the rear, so they come further forward when you rotate the nosewheel, and still interfered. Did yours clear alright? Think I'll just do what Mark did. Maybe I can find a few dozen other things to buy from McMaster- Carr to justify the shipping........and make a 79 cent part cost $50. Gary Time: 07:54:40 PM PST US From: "Tim Lewis" owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Clamp for nose strut fairing --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Lewis" I took two little short narrow ones and hooked 'em up in series. Tim --- ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:02 AM PST US From: "Konrad Werner" Subject: RV-List: TOOLS -4- SALE! --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" Fellow List Members, I am selling these Hand-Tools for a friend of mine, who will not be able to use these anymore. They were all bought in 2000 and have only seen service on one empennage, so they are barely used / -barely broken in. I can send digital pictures on the items in case one is not familiar with them. As I am just helping out, I would prefer to sell all at once to save you shipping cost (and myself some time). Make me an acceptable offer on everything Here we go: AVERY KIT-102 (2X Rivet Gun Kit) 8 out of 12 Rivet Sets still have their protective plastic coating on them! (New $400) Asking $300 AVERY Part # 575 (Hand Seamer 3.5" Jaw) (New $30) Asking $20 AVERY Part # 500 (Fluting Plier) (New $30) Asking $20 AVERY Part # 1042 (Edge Rolling Tool) (New $14) Asking $10 "WISS" Metal Snips Set (Red/Yellow/Green) (New $63) Asking $45 "FLO-RIDER" Air Grinder (New $160) Asking $100 ********************************* The following CRAFTSMAN Shop Tools are available as well: * 12" Band Saw w/Stand * 2/3 hp Variable Speed Drill Press w/Stand * 6" Disc Sander & 2x42" Belt Sander w/Stand * 6" Grinder w/ Stand & Scotch Brite Polishing Wheel All these Shop Tools were bought in 2001, and are in meticulous condition. I haven't figured out the complexity of Packing & Shipping of these items yet. Everything is located in SUNNY Albuquerque, Nuevo Mexico. Feel free to email me with any questions. Sincerely, Konrad Connywerner@wans.net ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:24 AM PST US From: HCRV6@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: Need Sensenich prop spacer for 0-360 --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com Do Not Archive Thanks Sam and Hal for the PVC pipe spacer suggestions. I'm going to give it a whirl, although I confess to being confused about how it can be centered accurately. Harry Crosby Pleasanton, California RV-6, starting firewall forward ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:11 AM PST US From: "Chopper" Subject: Re: RV-List: Anybody doing Transition Training In Texas or Florida in a 6A? --> RV-List message posted by: "Chopper" Why not transition in your own RV6A ? I am a CFII with my own RV4 in Tn. While you are flying off the restrictions, why not get dual in the plane you will be flying all the time. Contact me if you are interested. Mike Kellems mkellems@tnweb.com Lewisburg,Tn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan DeNeal" Subject: RV-List: Anybody doing Transition Training In Texas or Florida in a 6A? > --> RV-List message posted by: Dan DeNeal > > My rv6a is ready to fly. I still need a DAR for > inspection but after 8 1/2 years of building it's time > to change hats. I will be in Florida the last part of > this month or will be willing to fly to Texas. The > weather around Illinois this time of year is pretty > iffy, so would like to find a warmer place on earth. I > would prefer a 6A to transition in. > > Dan DeNeal > RV6A - N256GD > Hoopeston, Illinois > (217) 283-6157 > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses at TNWEB LLC] > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses at TNWEB LLC] ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:00 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" My wings are stored in the corner of the shop, sealed with the cork gasket and fuel lube. So, if you were me, you'd change to proseal before I put the wings on for good? - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com 2003: The year of flight! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Steve J Hurlbut > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:51 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel Lube > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve J Hurlbut" > > That is what I'll probably end up doing. Proseal is the way > to go. That is what I did on my last plane that I helped > build and after 400+ hours no leaks anywhere. Its just that > last time I mentioned it several people reported good luck > with the fuel lube and gasket job. Proseal may make access > harder later, but that is far better then leaky fuel tanks. > > Steve > RV7A > canopy frame & wiring > Back to proseal for the last time. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" > To: > Subject: RE: RV-List: Fuel Lube > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" > > > > > Ditto!! > > > > Do not archive > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Larry Pardue [mailto:n5lp@carlsbad.net] > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel Lube > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue > > > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: sjhdcl@kingston.net > > > > > > > > >Anybody have another supplier (besides ACS) for fuel lube? > > > > > >I want to use it to sandwich the fuel tank gaskets. Might have to > > >proseal everything which is not such a bad thing. > > > > > > > FWIW. I did not find it fun to remove the left tank at > first annual > > to remove Fuel Lube sealed gasket and replace with Proseal sealed > > plate with no gasket (due to Fuel Lube deterioration and leakage). > > Nor did I find it fun to remove the right tank at the > second annual to > > do the same. > > > > Lots of spare Fuel Lube in my hangar that I will never use. > > > > Larry Pardue > > Carlsbad, NM > > > > RV-6 N441LP Flying > > http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm > > > > > > > ========== > Matronics Forums. > ========== > List members. > ========== > ========== > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:49 PM PST US From: Miller Robert Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert Does it add anything to sandwich (and saturate?) the cork gasket in Proseal? Or, is simply prosealing the plate to tank preferred? Robert Randall Henderson wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" > > > FWIW. I did not find it fun to remove the left tank at first annual to > > remove Fuel Lube sealed gasket and replace with Proseal sealed plate with > > no gasket (due to Fuel Lube deterioration and leakage). Nor did I find > > it fun to remove the right tank at the second annual to do the same. > > I second that. Search the archives and you'll find a bunch of people who's > leaky tanks were a result of trying to get around prosealing the plates on. > Kind of defeats the purpose of "just in case I have to take them off to fix > a leaky tank..." > > I did have to replace a sender that went bad, and while I admit it wasn't > much fun prying the prosealed-on plate off of there, it wasn't all that big > a deal, And the plates themselves have never leaked. > > Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~450 hrs) > Portland, OR > www.vanshomewing.org > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:27 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Left over parts two F 804 L From: "phil jones" --> RV-List message posted by: "phil jones" The good news I am just about finished with my RV7A wing. The bad news is I have two parts labeled F 804 L leftover. Does anyone know where they go? Thanks Phil Jones ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:06 PM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: RV-List: Left over parts two F 804 L --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Phil, as long as you have two flaps and each has and end rib on each side................that's where they would go on your third flap:-) I hate it when I extra, or not enough.......... Seriously Phil, that number represents two outer ribs for the left flap. Dana Overall Richmond, KY http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: "phil jones" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RV-List: Left over parts two F 804 L >Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 16:38:07 -0600 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "phil jones" > >The good news I am just about finished with my RV7A wing. The bad news is I >have two parts labeled F 804 L leftover. Does anyone know where they go? > > >Thanks Phil Jones > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:38 PM PST US From: Oldsfolks@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re:Leftover parts two F-804L --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com The number F-804L - should be a RV-8 fuselage part. Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:33 PM PST US From: Rquinn1@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Anybody doing Transition Training In Texas or Florida in a 6A? --> RV-List message posted by: Rquinn1@aol.com Yes I am very interested in training. I also have a friend who is building a 7A and I think he will be finished about the same time I will.(two or three months from now.) Will you be avaliable during that time? Thanks Rollie & Rod ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:00 PM PST US From: "Dick DeCramer" Subject: RV-List: Re: Overpainting Powdercoat --> RV-List message posted by: "Dick DeCramer" Dave.. I have painted over some of the powdercoat. Just scuff real good with ScotchBrite pads and then I overcoated with Rustoleum Hammer Finish and it looks real good. BTW, I bought my hammer finish in quart cans and sprayed my entire interior using a Bink's Model 7 and a touchup gun which usually gives me excellant results but gave me only mediocre results. I then bought rattle cans and got excellant results. I found that lacquer thinner or mineral spirits did not allow the paint to "hammer" up to that nice mottle finish but the spray cans have the correct formula thinners which will do better. I now use only the rattle cans. The paint skins over fast, cures slow, but becomes very hard and, I hope, durable after a few days. Dick DeCramer RV6 N500DD Finishing up Northfield, MN ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:42 PM PST US From: "Keith and Jean Williams" Subject: RV-List: Prop Questions --> RV-List message posted by: "Keith and Jean Williams" Last Saturday I figured out why so many planes have that little wheel up front. The one just behind the prop. I had a prop strike with my RV6. It was a beautiful winter morning, but windy - 20 gusting to 28, temp about +10. I had been flying for over an hour and done several landings. It was fun and good practice - nothing like a cold windy winter day for those "leaping into the air" RV take-offs and climbs. After a break for doughnuts and coffee it was time to head back to the home field. I was on the ramp and just starting to taxi, using more than usual "breakout" power (directly into that wind) when I saw another plane taxiing across in front of me. I quickly applied those great RV brakes and, before I knew it, was looking out the windscreen down at the concrete and hearing twanga-twanga-twanga and then silence - just the sound of the breeze. Then a "thump" as the tail came back down. Then some more breeze. This was pure pilot error - failure to reduce power before applying brakes and (probably, I don't remember for sure) not having the stick all the way back. Not to mention having a bright white airplane "sneak-up" on me......right out there in all that sunshine. So that's the lesson part of this post - perhaps useful for you few taildragger pilots out there that may have, like me, let your procedures get a little sloppy after years of enjoying the excellent ground handling qualities of your RV. Now to the question part of this post. My 180HP O360A1A is in a box and on the road to tear-down (it is high time with 20+ year old overhaul). Now I'm thinking about a new prop. The old prop (I use the term "old" loosely) was a new Hartzell 230 hours ago. When I called to order a new one, the folks at Van's told me that lead time would be at least 8 weeks...but Hartzell has a redesign in process and Van's is suggesting that customers wait for that - perhaps three or more months. I called Hartzell and could not get the person I talked with to tell me what the new design is all about. So question #1 - can any of you tell me what is afoot at Hartzell. I have read about the restrictions (2,600 rpm, etc.). I am not flying aerobatics and do not plan to have my engine modified. From what you know, is there a reason for me to wait for the new design? It seemed to me that my old prop was great. Question #2. Like Jerry Cochran who posted yesterday, I would be interested in performance comparisons between Hartzell CS and Sensenich fixed pitch. I like flying with the constant speed. But a Sensenich is available now (3 weeks they say). I could put my governor away for now, have Aero Sport Power convert the engine and fly fixed pitch for a while. If someone comes up with the performance comparison he requested (Sensenich vs. Hartzell for 180 HP) please post to the list or let me know off line. Or, I would appreciate comments from anyone who has flown both CS and fixed. Question #3. I'm looking for a new prop. Anybody have a good one for sale? Keith Williams Moline, IL ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:51 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: [ Bob Olds ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Bob Olds Subject: AN Hardware Chart http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Oldsfolks@aol.com.01.18.2003/index.html -------------------------------------------- o EMAIL LIST PHOTO SHARE Share your files and photos with other List members simply by emailing the files to: pictures@matronics.com Please view the typical Share above and include the Description Text Fields as shown along with your submission of files and photos. o Main Photo Share Index: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare -------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:18 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Engine Hung From: czechsix@juno.com --> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com Yeeehaaaawwww! Finally got the engine hung on my -8A today.....red and black O-360-A1A from Bart at Aerosport Power. Sure is a beautiful thing to behold, and nice to be on to something other than sanding fiberglass (well, I do have to fit/trim the cowl, but the sanding is already done on everything--cowl included--except some touchup on the canopy skirt...). And now I can take that sawhorse out from under the tail since she sits proudly on the gear unassisted. Just had to pass the joy around a bit : ) Thanks to my buddy Alan Kritzman for the help, and inspiration since his -8 is now flying... Do Not Archive --Mark Navratil Cedar Rapids, Iowa RV-8A N2D finally on to FWF and fun stuff......! ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:20 PM PST US From: "Randall Henderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel Lube --> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" > My wings are stored in the corner of the shop, sealed with the cork > gasket and fuel lube. So, if you were me, you'd change to proseal > before I put the wings on for good? That's exactly what I did, after reading this exact same discussion on the RV-list 4 years ago. Was kind of wishing I didn't have to clean off all that fuel lube but it wasn't all that bad. Someone else asked about using the gasket with proseal. I just used proseal alone but I suppose with the gasket in there it'd be easier to get a blade in between to get the two parts separated. I just thought the gasket might deteriorate eventually so I left it out but thats probably being overly paranoid. Or is it? Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~450 hrs) Portland, OR www.vanshomewing.org ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:22 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RV-List: Millenium Cylinders --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" Question: Has anyone out there flown for a while with Lycoming cylinders on their RV, and then switched to Millenium? Specifically, did you notice any change in indicated CHT's, other conditions similar? I'm wondering if there might be subtle but important differences in how they fashion their CHT ports as compared to Lycoming. Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 251 hours www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:55 PM PST US From: "Norman" Subject: Re: RV-List: Static Air Kits --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" My static kit had the T. Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC Do not archive > Speak of things missing from their option kits, can someone tell me if > the 3/16" tee is supposed to be included with the optional static air > kit? Mine had everything else, but not this. I have since located a > tee ("F" tee worked nice) but the local Home Depot and Loew's didn't > have it, only 3/16" splices, and they did have the 1/4" O.D.x 0.170" > I.D. hose that was included in the kit. > Marty in Brentwood TN