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1. 04:28 AM - Re: Re:Leftover parts two F-804L (Dana Overall)
2. 05:10 AM - Re: Engine Hung (Charles Rowbotham)
3. 06:25 AM - Re: Re:Leftover parts two F-804L (Kevin Horton)
4. 06:55 AM - Re: Pitot hole in wing (Steve Struyk)
5. 07:04 AM - Re: Re:Leftover parts two F-804L (Dana Overall)
6. 07:35 AM - Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube" (Miller Robert)
7. 07:41 AM - Re: Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube" (Alex Peterson)
8. 07:58 AM - Re: Millenium Cylinders (Randy Lervold)
9. 08:16 AM - Award Winning RV-6A For Sale - New Engine, New Constant Speed Prop, Less than 200 HRS Total Time (Scott Johnson)
10. 09:40 AM - Taylor Pneumatic Tools (Bill Irvine)
11. 10:58 AM - Re: Barts Engines (Dwpetrus@aol.com)
12. 10:59 AM - Re: superior engine quote (Norman)
13. 11:00 AM - Re: Temper Foam on the Cheap (Dwpetrus@aol.com)
14. 11:13 AM - Photoshare Printing Problems (Norman)
15. 11:13 AM - Re: Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube" (Jim Jewell)
16. 11:27 AM - Re: Need Sensenich prop spacer for 0-360 (HCRV6@aol.com)
17. 11:39 AM - Re: Photoshare Printing Problems (James E. Clark)
18. 12:13 PM - Re: Barts Engines (Konrad Werner)
19. 12:30 PM - Re: superior engine quote (Terry Watson)
20. 01:00 PM - Re: superior engine quote (Michael Stephan)
21. 01:37 PM - Re: Photoshare Printing Problems (Patrick Kelley)
22. 01:50 PM - Re: Photoshare Printing Problems (Dom Forrest)
23. 01:59 PM - [ Fred Stucklen ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
24. 02:04 PM - Re: Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube" (Elsa & Henry)
25. 02:04 PM - external speaker (Bert Forero)
26. 03:49 PM - Re: superior engine quote (lucky macy)
27. 03:55 PM - Re: external speaker (barry pote)
28. 04:00 PM - Re: external speaker (Doug Weiler)
29. 04:20 PM - Re: wheel clearance (czechsix@juno.com)
30. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: wheel clearance (Alex Peterson)
31. 05:20 PM - Re: Re: wheel clearance (Stein Bruch)
32. 05:23 PM - Re: superior engine quote (David Lundquist)
33. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: wheel clearance (Jim Jewell)
34. 06:52 PM - Need a battery (Kyle Boatright)
35. 07:13 PM - Re: Need a battery (Charlie & Tupper England)
36. 07:13 PM - Re: superior engine quote (RV8ter@aol.com)
37. 07:14 PM - Re: superior engine quote (RV8ter@aol.com)
38. 07:14 PM - Re: superior engine quote (RV8ter@aol.com)
39. 07:14 PM - Re: superior engine quote (RV8ter@aol.com)
40. 07:15 PM - Re: superior engine quote (RV8ter@aol.com)
41. 07:17 PM - Re: superior engine quote (RV8ter@aol.com)
42. 07:36 PM - Re: Need a battery (Kyle Boatright)
43. 07:36 PM - >Re:Need a Battery (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
44. 07:38 PM - Re: superior engine quote--OK (JRWillJR@aol.com)
45. 07:47 PM - Re: superior engine quote (Stan Blanton)
46. 07:55 PM - Re: Need a battery (Jim Jewell)
47. 07:58 PM - Re: superior engine quote-oops (JRWillJR@aol.com)
48. 08:00 PM - Re: Need a battery (Brian Denk)
49. 08:09 PM - Re: Need a battery (Dave Bristol)
50. 08:13 PM - Re: >Re:Need a Battery (Cy Galley)
51. 08:14 PM - Re: Need a battery ()
52. 08:36 PM - Re: Need a battery (Dave Bristol)
53. 08:57 PM - Re: superior engine quote (Konrad Werner)
54. 09:54 PM - Re: external speaker (Vanremog@aol.com)
55. 10:04 PM - Re: external speaker (Jim Oke)
56. 11:08 PM - Re: Need a battery (Jerry Springer)
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| Subject: | Re:Leftover parts two F-804L |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Bob,
On the 7 you see the numbers 70X and 80X interchanged numerous times as many
parts are interchangable between the 7 & 8. Takes a little getting used to
but it works out. All flap ribs are designated F-XXXL or R.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
>The number F-804L - should be a RV-8 fuselage part.
>
>Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
>RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
>Charleston, Arkansas
>"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Mark,
Congratulations !
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A (doing our annual Insp)
>From: czechsix@juno.com
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Engine Hung
>Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 20:14:48 -0600
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
>
>Yeeehaaaawwww! Finally got the engine hung on my -8A today.....red and
>black O-360-A1A from Bart at Aerosport Power. Sure is a beautiful thing
>to behold, and nice to be on to something other than sanding fiberglass
>(well, I do have to fit/trim the cowl, but the sanding is already done on
>everything--cowl included--except some touchup on the canopy skirt...).
>And now I can take that sawhorse out from under the tail since she sits
>proudly on the gear unassisted.
>
>Just had to pass the joy around a bit : ) Thanks to my buddy Alan
>Kritzman for the help, and inspiration since his -8 is now flying...
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>--Mark Navratil
>Cedar Rapids, Iowa
>RV-8A N2D finally on to FWF and fun stuff......!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:Leftover parts two F-804L |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
Flap parts have an FL part number. The F-804-L is a little
triangular thing with rounded corners, made from 0.063 sheet. It is
where the front seat crotch strap attaches for the seat belts on the
RV-8. I have no idea whether the RV-7 would use this part or not.
Kevin Horton
At 7:25 AM -0500 1/19/03, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
>Bob,
>
>On the 7 you see the numbers 70X and 80X interchanged numerous times as many
>parts are interchangable between the 7 & 8. Takes a little getting used to
>but it works out. All flap ribs are designated F-XXXL or R.
>
>
>Dana Overall
>Richmond, KY
>http://rvflying.tripod.com
>do not archive
>
>
>>The number F-804L - should be a RV-8 fuselage part.
>>
>>Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
>>RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
>>Charleston, Arkansas
> >"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot hole in wing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker@hotmail.com>
If that hole is in fact for the tie downs (and I think they are) mine were
not treaded yet and needed to be tapped. I too ordered Van's pitot, but
opted for the Gretz.
Steve Struyk
St. Charles, MO
RV-8 (Q.B.) N842S
Canopy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Pitot hole in wing
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
>
> Brad, I believe you will find that (Other Hole) is treaded and is for your
> "Wing Tie Down". I also installed the Gretz Pitot on my RV6A-QB.
>
> Tom in Ohio
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brad Benson" <brad@cds-inc.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Pitot hole in wing
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brad Benson" <brad@cds-inc.com>
> >
> >
> > I've finished up the installation of the Gretz pitot tube mount in the
> left wing of my RV6A quickbuild, but I've got one task left - plugging the
> hole left for the regular aluminum tube pitot supplied by Van's. Since
> this was a quickbuild kit, the hole was already punched in the wing for
the
> builder to run the aluminum tube + fittings through, but since I went with
a
> heated pitot option (the GretzAero kit is very well done, if anyone is
> thinking about it/looking at it) I now have a hole to plug. I don't have
> the plans in front of me, but it seems that the hole is perhaps 3/8" or
1/2"
> in diameter.
> >
> > Does anyone have any suggestions for plugging the hole? I'd appreciate
> any pointers on this - since it's on the wing next to the spar, I'm a
little
> anxious about messing it up...
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Brad "Sharpie" Benson
> > RV6AQB underway...
> > "Please buy my software, it's funding my RV6A project!" -
> http://www.notamd.com
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:Leftover parts two F-804L |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Duh...............never mind:-) Now, where is that coffee.
They do interchange 8s with 7s, that makes me correct 50% of the
time.......about what my wife believes also:-)
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
>
>
>Flap parts have an FL part number.
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| Subject: | Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube" |
--> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
Randall Henderson wrote:
>
> Someone else asked about using the gasket with proseal. I just used proseal
> alone but I suppose with the gasket in there it'd be easier to get a blade
> in between to get the two parts separated. I just thought the gasket might
> deteriorate eventually so I left it out but thats probably being overly
> paranoid. Or is it?
What about pre-coating the cork with thinned mixture of Proseal... (porous cork
then has taken its last drink and will not deteriorate?)
Then using the usual thicker slurry of proseal to sandwich the cork between
plate and tank.
Possible advantages: Create a compressible seal without excessively squeezing
the proseal out of the joint, and be easier to remove if ever needed.
Has anyone done this?
Robert
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| Subject: | Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
I gobbered up the cork gasket with pro-seal in a way that would prevent
it from seeing fuel. Ask me in ten years how it worked.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 251 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller Robert
Subject: RV-List: Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube"
--> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
Randall Henderson wrote:
>
> Someone else asked about using the gasket with proseal. I just used
> proseal alone but I suppose with the gasket in there it'd be easier to
> get a blade in between to get the two parts separated. I just thought
> the gasket might deteriorate eventually so I left it out but thats
> probably being overly paranoid. Or is it?
What about pre-coating the cork with thinned mixture of Proseal...
(porous cork then has taken its last drink and will not deteriorate?)
Then using the usual thicker slurry of proseal to sandwich the cork
between plate and tank. Possible advantages: Create a compressible seal
without excessively squeezing the proseal out of the joint, and be
easier to remove if ever needed. Has anyone done this?
Robert
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Millenium Cylinders |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
Alex,
Yes, I did exactly that. I had first-run rebuilt Lycoming cylinders on my
Aero Sport Power engine when purchased, then I didn't run it hard enough
during break-in and had high oil consumption. At around 150 hours I put new
Superior sandcast cylinders on. These cylinders say "Millenium" on them but
are different from their true Millenium product which is made using a
different method, investment cast I believe. Bart recommended the sandcast
version over the Millenium because the Milleniums didn't flow as well due
some reinforcement in the intake port area. My understanding however is that
this design has been changed and they now flow as well as the sandcast
version. After switching I noticed no change in temps or performance.
Randy Lervold
RV-8, 290.6 hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
Subject: RV-List: Millenium Cylinders
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
>
> Question: Has anyone out there flown for a while with Lycoming
> cylinders on their RV, and then switched to Millenium? Specifically,
> did you notice any change in indicated CHT's, other conditions similar?
> I'm wondering if there might be subtle but important differences in how
> they fashion their CHT ports as compared to Lycoming.
>
> Alex Peterson
> Maple Grove, MN
> RV6-A N66AP 251 hours
> www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
>
>
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| Subject: | Award Winning RV-6A For Sale - New Engine, New Constant Speed |
Prop, Less than 200 HRS Total Time
--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Johnson" <scottjohnson345@attbi.com>
RV6A For Sale at http://www.geocities.com/dan_s_johnson/RV6A/index.htm
Link contains detail specifications and asking price.
Vans 180HP Engine, Constant Speed Prop, King IFR certified (includes marker beacons
and moving map GPS), Stereo and Intercom system, Imron Paint, Custom Interior,
Extra electric attitude indicator. Less than 200 hours Total Time.
Scott / Chicago
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| Subject: | Taylor Pneumatic Tools |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Irvine <wgirvine@yahoo.com>
> As a result of email conversations on this list, I
> was able to find a local tool supplier. However,
> the only pneumatic tool line they carry is Taylor.
> I have no experience with these at all and was
> wondering if anyone else has any recommendations on
> this line.
I got the Taylor 90 and 45 degree air drills from
Avery several years ago. Love 'em, great tools. I
highly recommend them.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Barts Engines |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwpetrus@aol.com
I live in Louisiana and I was shocked that my total shipping cost on the
0-360a1a was only $195.
Wayne Petrus
RV8A flying
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| Subject: | Re: superior engine quote |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" <nhunger@sprint.ca>
> I'm really interested in using a fuel injected engine and avoiding all
carb
> quirks so what's the groups opinions on this selection compared to
whatever
> the heck else is out there that's lycoming related?
> Is Superior the only company that's apparently designed a
> Lycoming "upgrade" engine?
I am under the impression that the lightest weight and lowest price fuel
injected O-360 engine would be from Bart Lalond with an Airflow Performance
fuel injection conversion on an engine built up with all new modern parts. I
thought one of these was just over $20k usd. But I could be wrong. Would
like to hear from others that have already researched this with their wallet
in their hand.
Norman Hunger
RV6A Delta BC
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Temper Foam on the Cheap |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwpetrus@aol.com
count me in dwpetrus @aol.com.
RV8A
flying
Wayne Petrus
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| Subject: | Photoshare Printing Problems |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" <nhunger@sprint.ca>
This is a great photoshare for quick reference of all the different aircraft hardware.
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Oldsfolks@aol.com.01.18.2003/index.html
However, every meathod I try to print it with I onl get 1/4 of the page. What's
up?
Norman Hunger
RV6A Delta BC
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hello Robert,
It is 'possible' that some builders might have had problems with cork
gaskets due the selection of the wrong material to make the gasket out off.
When it comes to cork for gaskets intended to contain gasoline avoid using
plain cork material. The wrong stuff (hardware store cork) is not
impregnated with fuel proof sealant and the size of the cork particles is
not controlled well enough(read too large). this stuff is cork colored, and
the thinner (1/6" thick) tends to fall apart when handled much.
If you are a must have gasket material kind of person, the right stuff to
use can be had or ordered at the local car parts outlet. One brand name,
Fel-Pro Part No.3005 will get you a roll 36"x18"x1/16"
Gasket or not use the suggested sealant, Pro Seal is one of several brand
names.
Going without gasket material and using "Pro Seal" works very well also.
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miller Robert" <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube"
> --> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
>
> Randall Henderson wrote:
>
> >
> > Someone else asked about using the gasket with proseal. I just used
proseal
> > alone but I suppose with the gasket in there it'd be easier to get a
blade
> > in between to get the two parts separated. I just thought the gasket
might
> > deteriorate eventually so I left it out but thats probably being overly
> > paranoid. Or is it?
>
> What about pre-coating the cork with thinned mixture of Proseal... (porous
cork
> then has taken its last drink and will not deteriorate?)
> Then using the usual thicker slurry of proseal to sandwich the cork
between
> plate and tank.
> Possible advantages: Create a compressible seal without excessively
squeezing
> the proseal out of the joint, and be easier to remove if ever needed.
> Has anyone done this?
>
> Robert
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need Sensenich prop spacer for 0-360 |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
Thanks to Sam and Hal I turned my rusty old brain on and came up with a neat
solution to my concern about how to center the spinner back plate when using
PVC pipes to simulate a Sensenich prop spacer. I found some fine thread 1/2
x 2.75 bolts and some 1/2 in. ID x 5/8 in. OD nylon spacers in the aviation
supply aisles at our local hardware store. Super glued the spacers to the
bolts at the head end to fill the 5/8 in. holes in the back plate and bingo,
everything is centered dead on.
Do not archive
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, starting firewall forward
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| Subject: | Photoshare Printing Problems |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <jclark@conterra.com>
Same here.
I was wondering ... what is the original source of this sheet of info?
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Norman
> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 2:12 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Photoshare Printing Problems
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" <nhunger@sprint.ca>
>
> This is a great photoshare for quick reference of all the
> different aircraft hardware.
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Oldsfolks@aol.com.01.18.2003/i
> ndex.html
> However, every meathod I try to print it with I onl get 1/4 of
> the page. What's up?
>
> Norman Hunger
> RV6A Delta BC
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Barts Engines |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
Dear Wayne,
What shipping company was used for that incredibly low price? (You are
talking from Bart's facility in Canada all the way to Louisiana, right?)
Konrad
----- Original Message -----
From: <Dwpetrus@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Barts Engines
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dwpetrus@aol.com
>
> I live in Louisiana and I was shocked that my total shipping cost on the
> 0-360a1a was only $195.
>
> Wayne Petrus
> RV8A flying
>
>
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| Subject: | superior engine quote |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
My new Aero Sport Power IO-360 B1B with Lightspeed ignition on one side and
Airflow Performance fuel injection due next month was $23,565.00 U.S. This
is the Superior XP, non-certified parallel valve engine. With the fuel
injection but without the Lighspeed ignition I was quoted $22,990.00.
Terry
RV-8A
Seattle
I am under the impression that the lightest weight and lowest price fuel
injected O-360 engine would be from Bart Lalond with an Airflow Performance
fuel injection conversion on an engine built up with all new modern parts. I
thought one of these was just over $20k usd. But I could be wrong. Would
like to hear from others that have already researched this with their wallet
in their hand.
Norman Hunger
RV6A Delta BC
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: superior engine quote |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael Stephan <mstephan@shr.net>
I'll chime in, since I just did the deal with Superior. Also, our EAA
chapter has had several presentations from the Superior Airparts people.
Here goes:
O-360 A1A2 - Carbureted and Fixed pitch prop.
O-360 B1A2 - Carbureted and Constant speed prop.
IO-360 A1A2 - Fuel Injected and Fixed pitch.
IO-360 B1A2 - Fuel Injected and Constant Speed prop.
These engines are all basically the same with the above distinctions. The
IO-360 is the same as the O-360 with a fuel injection system installed.
These engines have parallel valves and make similar power to the Lycoming
O-360 (180 hp). The Lycoming IO-360 has angled valves and is a 200 hp
engine, and that explains the difference in price. The Lycoming angled
valve engine is a little more complex. However, the salespeople at Superior
says that their improvements to the case have given them about 190 hp
although the power charts I got with my engine look like lycoming's and have
max power at 180 hp.
Don't try to correlate Superior's naming conventions with Lycoming's. they
don't fit.
My XP-360 was built by Powersport. So, if you wanted more hp you could ask
for the higher compression pistons. I have the O-360 B1A2, and it is a
beautiful well built engine. It came with the Starter, the mags, and the
carbureter. Powersport test ran the engine and listed the cylinderhead
temps, oil pressure, oil temp, oil consumption, fuel flow and fuel pressure
at several different RPMs. Total time tested was 1.25 hrs. A friend with
a brand new Lycoming O-360 was impressed with superior's engine. If I were
redo my decision I would choose the Superior IO-360 and use the GAMI
injectors.
ECI is also building a kit engine, which I think is little cheaper than
Superior. I don't know if they are shipping yet.
http://www.eci2fly.com/Products/Engine_Kit/enginekit.htm
Hope to be in the air before the summer.
--
Michael Stephan
RV-8 builder
>
> I asked for quotes on engines suitable for an RV-8. Superior sent me
> O-360-A1A2 for 19,990
> O-360-B1A2 $20,990
> IO-360-B1A2 $22,990
> and XP IO-360-A1A2 $21,990
>
> They only give dimensions and drawings on the B1A2.
>
> All these quotes include accessory option of magnetos, ignition harness,
> starter, fuel system, spark plugs and fuel pump.
>
> What's the difference between these numbers?
>
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| Subject: | Photoshare Printing Problems |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
I downloaded the .bmp version and printed it using ACDSee with the page
margins set to 0" and the fit-to-page checkbox checked. It came out
readable but I will probably modify it to trim the edges off the image
and then print it again so that the text is clearer. The
decimal-to-english chart is not good, especially at the 1/16" and 1/8"
intervals but blowing the image up did not help; on the other hand, it
is not hard to figure out from the intervals that can be read.
Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - F604 riveted and being fitted to jig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Norman
Subject: RV-List: Photoshare Printing Problems
--> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" <nhunger@sprint.ca>
This is a great photoshare for quick reference of all the different
aircraft hardware.
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Oldsfolks@aol.com.01.18.2003/index.h
tml
However, every meathod I try to print it with I onl get 1/4 of the page.
What's up?
Norman Hunger
RV6A Delta BC
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Photoshare Printing Problems |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dom Forrest" <dominic.forrest@ntlworld.com>
Same problem for me - however....
Right click on it and choose SAVE AS. Save it locally on your computer.
Open it from there & print and it comes out OK.
Dom
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James E. Clark
Subject: RE: RV-List: Photoshare Printing Problems
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <jclark@conterra.com>
Same here.
I was wondering ... what is the original source of this sheet of info?
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Norman
> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 2:12 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Photoshare Printing Problems
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" <nhunger@sprint.ca>
>
> This is a great photoshare for quick reference of all the
> different aircraft hardware.
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Oldsfolks@aol.com.01.18.2003/i
> ndex.html
> However, every meathod I try to print it with I onl get 1/4 of
> the page. What's up?
>
> Norman Hunger
> RV6A Delta BC
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | [ Fred Stucklen ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Fred Stucklen <Fred.Stucklen@UTCFuelCells.com>
Subject: Instrument Panel & Radio Stack Wiring
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Fred.Stucklen@UTCFuelCells.com.01.19.2003/index.html
--------------------------------------------
o EMAIL LIST PHOTO SHARE
Share your files and photos with other List members simply by
emailing the files to:
pictures@matronics.com
Please view the typical Share above and include the Description Text
Fields as shown along with your submission of files and photos.
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| Subject: | Re: Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
I made my own fuel-tank cover gaskets out of cork obtained from NAPA, they
carry a package of 9"x 11" gaskets of different material including enough
cork ones for both tanks. The quality of the cork is dense and the sheet is
3/32" thick----Perfect! I used a bead of Proseal on both side
of the gasket, laid inside the ring of nut-plates /screw holes. I took the
precaution of putting caps on all the nut-plates, sealed with proseal, to
prevent fuel weeping down the screw threads. For this I used obsolete
germanium transistors (have lots of them left over from organ building),
from which I sawed-off the caps.-- Fit perfectly over the nut-plate with
enough free room for the screw penetration.
The Napa Gasket Package has a bar-code id. "NGA . JV1"
Cheers!!---Henry Hore
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| Subject: | external speaker |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
Hi:
I would like to hear from those who have installed
an external speaker, inside the cokpit. What type have
been installed, size, and place of installation, and
where you found it...
I have looked for a very small one, but cannot find one
the ones I have seing, are too big, for what I want,
and they do not have a cover,
thanks
Bert
rv6a
Electrical panel odds and ends...
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| Subject: | Re: superior engine quote |
--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Thanks for the info but you are wrong about one thing. The $27,690 Van's
engine I originally referred to was not the angled valve 200 hp engine. The
angle valve engine is cut and pasted below as well as the original 180 hp
engine I was curious about.
I'll ask again, what's the difference between Van's M1B for $27K vs. the
Superior fuel injected engine for quite a few bucks less other than
certification?
200HP
Part Number = EA IO-360-A1B6
Price = $32250.00
On-line ordering is not available for this item. Please select the order
form for this item from the order form page and mail or fax the completed
form to us.
Click on the link below to go to the order form page.
http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/orderfrm.htm
180HP
Part Number = EA IO-360-M1B
Price = $27690.00
On-line ordering is not available for this item. Please select the order
form for this item from the order form page and mail or fax the completed
form to us.
lucky
>From: Michael Stephan <mstephan@shr.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: superior engine quote
>Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:59:02 -0600
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Michael Stephan <mstephan@shr.net>
>
>I'll chime in, since I just did the deal with Superior. Also, our EAA
>chapter has had several presentations from the Superior Airparts people.
>Here goes:
>
>O-360 A1A2 - Carbureted and Fixed pitch prop.
>O-360 B1A2 - Carbureted and Constant speed prop.
>IO-360 A1A2 - Fuel Injected and Fixed pitch.
>IO-360 B1A2 - Fuel Injected and Constant Speed prop.
>
>These engines are all basically the same with the above distinctions. The
>IO-360 is the same as the O-360 with a fuel injection system installed.
>These engines have parallel valves and make similar power to the Lycoming
>O-360 (180 hp). The Lycoming IO-360 has angled valves and is a 200 hp
>engine, and that explains the difference in price. The Lycoming angled
>valve engine is a little more complex. However, the salespeople at
>Superior
>says that their improvements to the case have given them about 190 hp
>although the power charts I got with my engine look like lycoming's and
>have
>max power at 180 hp.
>
>Don't try to correlate Superior's naming conventions with Lycoming's. they
>don't fit.
>
>My XP-360 was built by Powersport. So, if you wanted more hp you could ask
>for the higher compression pistons. I have the O-360 B1A2, and it is a
>beautiful well built engine. It came with the Starter, the mags, and the
>carbureter. Powersport test ran the engine and listed the cylinderhead
>temps, oil pressure, oil temp, oil consumption, fuel flow and fuel pressure
>at several different RPMs. Total time tested was 1.25 hrs. A friend
>with
>a brand new Lycoming O-360 was impressed with superior's engine. If I were
>redo my decision I would choose the Superior IO-360 and use the GAMI
>injectors.
>
>ECI is also building a kit engine, which I think is little cheaper than
>Superior. I don't know if they are shipping yet.
>http://www.eci2fly.com/Products/Engine_Kit/enginekit.htm
>
>Hope to be in the air before the summer.
>
>--
>Michael Stephan
>RV-8 builder
>
> >
> > I asked for quotes on engines suitable for an RV-8. Superior sent me
> > O-360-A1A2 for 19,990
> > O-360-B1A2 $20,990
> > IO-360-B1A2 $22,990
> > and XP IO-360-A1A2 $21,990
> >
> > They only give dimensions and drawings on the B1A2.
> >
> > All these quotes include accessory option of magnetos, ignition harness,
> > starter, fuel system, spark plugs and fuel pump.
> >
> > What's the difference between these numbers?
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: external speaker |
--> RV-List message posted by: barry pote <barrypote@comcast.net>
Bert,
Check out Gary Newsted's site. It is a great site for many things.
http://www.jlc.net/~fcs/avionics.htm
Barry Pote RV9a canopy
Bert Forero wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
>
> Hi:
>
> I would like to hear from those who have installed
> an external speaker, inside the cokpit.
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| Subject: | Re: external speaker |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
>
> Hi:
>
> I would like to hear from those who have installed
> an external speaker, inside the cokpit. What type have
> been installed, size, and place of installation, and
> where you found it...
>
>
> I have looked for a very small one, but cannot find one
> the ones I have seing, are too big, for what I want,
> and they do not have a cover,
>
>
Hate to say this, but I think that would be a waste of time. These
airplanes are unbearably noisy without a headset. You'd never be able to
hear plus you'd ruin your hearing flying without a headset
Doug Weiler
Hudson, WI
one RV-4 flying
one RV-4 almost ready to fly
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| Subject: | Re: wheel clearance |
--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
Jim,
I asked the same question to Vans and the List recently when fitting my
wheel pants, and the universal answer was something like a "finger-width"
all around. How's that for a technical answer? : ) I s'pose it depends
on whether you have a standard Vans-issue calibrated finger size or not.
If you have skinny fingers like mine, you want a "loose" finger-width
clearance. If you have big fat bubba fingers you can probably settle for
a tight finger-tip-squishing clearance.....
Hope this clears up all the confusion.
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D finishing stuff.....
Time: 02:18:32 AM PST US
From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Subject: RV-List: wheel clearance
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
I'm fitting Van's main gear two piece wheel pants on my 6-a.
What tire to wheel pant opening clearance is considered best over all?
Jim in Kelowna
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| Subject: | Re: wheel clearance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
Regarding fairing clearance, I suggest letting the air out of the tires
to see where they would interfere in the event of a non-planned flat
tire. I "modified" the opening on my nosewheel fairing when I had a
flat. Wouldn't want the tire to jamb and bust things, especially in the
nose.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 251 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | Re: wheel clearance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
One more advantage to having a tailwheel!!!!
Sorry.....I just couldn't resist.
Stein Bruch
RV6, Minneapolis
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
Regarding fairing clearance, I suggest letting the air out of the tires
to see where they would interfere in the event of a non-planned flat
tire. I "modified" the opening on my nosewheel fairing when I had a
flat. Wouldn't want the tire to jamb and bust things, especially in the
nose.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 251 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | Re: superior engine quote |
--> RV-List message posted by: David Lundquist <dlndqst@optonline.net>
Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but are the Superior engines you were quoted
factory NEW or ReMan? They sound too low for factory new.
Dave Lundquist
----- Original Message -----
From: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: superior engine quote
> --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
>
> Thanks for the info but you are wrong about one thing. The $27,690 Van's
> engine I originally referred to was not the angled valve 200 hp engine.
The
> angle valve engine is cut and pasted below as well as the original 180 hp
> engine I was curious about.
>
> I'll ask again, what's the difference between Van's M1B for $27K vs. the
> Superior fuel injected engine for quite a few bucks less other than
> certification?
>
> 200HP
> Part Number = EA IO-360-A1B6
> Price = $32250.00
> On-line ordering is not available for this item. Please select the order
> form for this item from the order form page and mail or fax the completed
> form to us.
>
> Click on the link below to go to the order form page.
> http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/orderfrm.htm
>
> 180HP
> Part Number = EA IO-360-M1B
> Price = $27690.00
> On-line ordering is not available for this item. Please select the order
> form for this item from the order form page and mail or fax the completed
> form to us.
>
>
> lucky
>
>
> >From: Michael Stephan <mstephan@shr.net>
> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: superior engine quote
> >Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:59:02 -0600
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Michael Stephan <mstephan@shr.net>
> >
> >I'll chime in, since I just did the deal with Superior. Also, our EAA
> >chapter has had several presentations from the Superior Airparts people.
> >Here goes:
> >
> >O-360 A1A2 - Carbureted and Fixed pitch prop.
> >O-360 B1A2 - Carbureted and Constant speed prop.
> >IO-360 A1A2 - Fuel Injected and Fixed pitch.
> >IO-360 B1A2 - Fuel Injected and Constant Speed prop.
> >
> >These engines are all basically the same with the above distinctions.
The
> >IO-360 is the same as the O-360 with a fuel injection system installed.
> >These engines have parallel valves and make similar power to the Lycoming
> >O-360 (180 hp). The Lycoming IO-360 has angled valves and is a 200 hp
> >engine, and that explains the difference in price. The Lycoming angled
> >valve engine is a little more complex. However, the salespeople at
> >Superior
> >says that their improvements to the case have given them about 190 hp
> >although the power charts I got with my engine look like lycoming's and
> >have
> >max power at 180 hp.
> >
> >Don't try to correlate Superior's naming conventions with Lycoming's.
they
> >don't fit.
> >
> >My XP-360 was built by Powersport. So, if you wanted more hp you could
ask
> >for the higher compression pistons. I have the O-360 B1A2, and it is a
> >beautiful well built engine. It came with the Starter, the mags, and the
> >carbureter. Powersport test ran the engine and listed the cylinderhead
> >temps, oil pressure, oil temp, oil consumption, fuel flow and fuel
pressure
> >at several different RPMs. Total time tested was 1.25 hrs. A friend
> >with
> >a brand new Lycoming O-360 was impressed with superior's engine. If I
were
> >redo my decision I would choose the Superior IO-360 and use the GAMI
> >injectors.
> >
> >ECI is also building a kit engine, which I think is little cheaper than
> >Superior. I don't know if they are shipping yet.
> >http://www.eci2fly.com/Products/Engine_Kit/enginekit.htm
> >
> >Hope to be in the air before the summer.
> >
> >--
> >Michael Stephan
> >RV-8 builder
> >
> > >
> > > I asked for quotes on engines suitable for an RV-8. Superior sent me
> > > O-360-A1A2 for 19,990
> > > O-360-B1A2 $20,990
> > > IO-360-B1A2 $22,990
> > > and XP IO-360-A1A2 $21,990
> > >
> > > They only give dimensions and drawings on the B1A2.
> > >
> > > All these quotes include accessory option of magnetos, ignition
harness,
> > > starter, fuel system, spark plugs and fuel pump.
> > >
> > > What's the difference between these numbers?
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wheel clearance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Thanks go out to Alex and Mark.
Do not archive Jim in Kelowna Just yet!(;-}!
----- Original Message -----
From: <czechsix@juno.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: wheel clearance
> --> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
>
> Jim,
>
> I asked the same question to Vans and the List recently when fitting my
> wheel pants, and the universal answer was something like a "finger-width"
> all around. How's that for a technical answer? : ) I s'pose it depends
> on whether you have a standard Vans-issue calibrated finger size or not.
> If you have skinny fingers like mine, you want a "loose" finger-width
> clearance. If you have big fat bubba fingers you can probably settle for
> a tight finger-tip-squishing clearance.....
>
> Hope this clears up all the confusion.
>
> --Mark Navratil
> Cedar Rapids, Iowa
> RV-8A N2D finishing stuff.....
>
> Time: 02:18:32 AM PST US
> From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
> Subject: RV-List: wheel clearance
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>
> I'm fitting Van's main gear two piece wheel pants on my 6-a.
> What tire to wheel pant opening clearance is considered best over all?
>
> Jim in Kelowna
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
I currently have a Concorde RG-25XC in the RV-6. I've never been particularly
impressed with its cold cranking ability. I imagine the wood prop and the Prestolite
starter contribute to the problem. I am considering switching batteries
to something with more cold cranking amps.
Neither Van's site nor Aircraft Spruce show the cranking amps for Concorde batteries,
which makes it hard to look for a battery that offers more cranking power.
Can anyone point me to the appropriate data or (even better) post comparison
data for similar batteries?
Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: Need a battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
Kyle Boatright wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
>
>I currently have a Concorde RG-25XC in the RV-6. I've never been particularly
impressed with its cold cranking ability. I imagine the wood prop and the Prestolite
starter contribute to the problem. I am considering switching batteries
to something with more cold cranking amps.
>
>Neither Van's site nor Aircraft Spruce show the cranking amps for Concorde batteries,
which makes it hard to look for a battery that offers more cranking power.
Can anyone point me to the appropriate data or (even better) post comparison
data for similar batteries?
>
>Thanks.
>
>
>
>
Try searching the aeroelectric list. Lots of posts about batteries in
recent months.
Charlie
(sorry about the pun)
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| Subject: | Re: superior engine quote |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
The letter does not appear to state. It says built with new millennium
cylinders in accordance with superior air parts...with all new FAA approved
parts. Each engine comes with a 3 year warranty or Manufacturer's
recommended TBO, whichever occurs first.
I guess that would imply rebuild?
In a message dated 1/19/2003 8:26:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dlndqst@optonline.net writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Lundquist <dlndqst@optonline.net>
>
> Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but are the Superior engines you were quoted
> factory NEW or ReMan? They sound too low for factory new.
>
> Dave Lundquist
>
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| Subject: | Re: superior engine quote |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
The letter does not appear to state. It says built with new millennium
cylinders in accordance with superior air parts...with all new FAA approved
parts. Each engine comes with a 3 year warranty or Manufacturer's
recommended TBO, whichever occurs first.
I guess that would imply rebuild?
In a message dated 1/19/2003 8:26:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dlndqst@optonline.net writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Lundquist <dlndqst@optonline.net>
>
> Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but are the Superior engines you were quoted
> factory NEW or ReMan? They sound too low for factory new.
>
> Dave Lundquist
>
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| Subject: | Re: superior engine quote |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
The letter does not appear to state. It says built with new millennium
cylinders in accordance with superior air parts...with all new FAA approved
parts. Each engine comes with a 3 year warranty or Manufacturer's
recommended TBO, whichever occurs first.
I guess that would imply rebuild?
In a message dated 1/19/2003 8:26:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dlndqst@optonline.net writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Lundquist <dlndqst@optonline.net>
>
> Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but are the Superior engines you were quoted
> factory NEW or ReMan? They sound too low for factory new.
>
> Dave Lundquist
>
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| Subject: | Re: superior engine quote |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
The letter does not appear to state. It says built with new millennium
cylinders in accordance with superior air parts...with all new FAA approved
parts. Each engine comes with a 3 year warranty or Manufacturer's
recommended TBO, whichever occurs first.
I guess that would imply rebuild?
In a message dated 1/19/2003 8:26:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dlndqst@optonline.net writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Lundquist <dlndqst@optonline.net>
>
> Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but are the Superior engines you were quoted
> factory NEW or ReMan? They sound too low for factory new.
>
> Dave Lundquist
>
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| Subject: | Re: superior engine quote |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
The letter does not appear to state. It says built with new millennium
cylinders in accordance with superior air parts...with all new FAA approved
parts. Each engine comes with a 3 year warranty or Manufacturer's
recommended TBO, whichever occurs first.
I guess that would imply rebuild?
In a message dated 1/19/2003 8:26:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dlndqst@optonline.net writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Lundquist <dlndqst@optonline.net>
>
> Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but are the Superior engines you were quoted
> factory NEW or ReMan? They sound too low for factory new.
>
> Dave Lundquist
>
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| Subject: | Re: superior engine quote |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
The letter does not appear to state. It says built with new millennium
cylinders in accordance with superior air parts...with all new FAA approved
parts. Each engine comes with a 3 year warranty or Manufacturer's
recommended TBO, whichever occurs first.
I guess that would imply rebuild?
In a message dated 1/19/2003 8:26:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dlndqst@optonline.net writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Lundquist <dlndqst@optonline.net>
>
> Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but are the Superior engines you were quoted
> factory NEW or ReMan? They sound too low for factory new.
>
> Dave Lundquist
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need a battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
I spent 30 or more minutes on the Aeroelectric list before I posted my
question. Lots of information there, but I didn't find anything that
directly addressed my question.
I'm fairly disciplined about scouring the archives before I post to the
list... ;-)
KB
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie & Tupper England" <cengland@netdoor.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a battery
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England
<cengland@netdoor.com>
>
> Kyle Boatright wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
<kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
> >
> >I currently have a Concorde RG-25XC in the RV-6. I've never been
particularly impressed with its cold cranking ability. I imagine the wood
prop and the Prestolite starter contribute to the problem. I am considering
switching batteries to something with more cold cranking amps.
> >
> >Neither Van's site nor Aircraft Spruce show the cranking amps for
Concorde batteries, which makes it hard to look for a battery that offers
more cranking power. Can anyone point me to the appropriate data or (even
better) post comparison data for similar batteries?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Try searching the aeroelectric list. Lots of posts about batteries in
> recent months.
>
> Charlie
> (sorry about the pun)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: >Re:Need a Battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
Kyle;
Just look down the RV List to Jan. 15 - and look at Odyssey Batteries.
I promise you that they will make you throw away the Concorde !!
I switched to Odyssey and put the Concorde in my lawn mower.
I was having trouble cranking my Lycoming - But NO MORE .
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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| Subject: | Re: superior engine quote--OK |
--> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com
Hi Lucky, No, I was not wrong, the IO-360M1B is a 180 horsepower, parallel
valve engine with front induction, I don't think I said different--it has a
forward facing intake. The Superior version of this engine is not yet
available but will be soon. I bought the Superior based IO-360B2B. It has the
Superior improved bottom induction that works with the standard cowl. This
induction has improved performance over the standard Lycoming bottom
induction--probably close to a front induction in terms of flow. I have seen
it in cutaway and it is impressive. My cost for the engine including 195
dollars shipping was about 24,000 dollars. It is not a base engine. It is
also complete with fuel pump, spin on oil filter, light weight starter, light
weight 40A alternator, vacuum pump adapter, spark plugs, harness, two Slick
impulse magnetos etc. I expect about 200 horses opr very close. This IS a
parallel valve engine. To get the M1B up to the level of my engine would run
another 2,000/3,000 dollars I imagine to tear down and blueprint and flow and
port and balance. That price for the M1B probably does not include the
alternator, not sure about the fuel pump. The biggest difference between
these engine besides the front vs bottom induction is that I believe the
Superior engine is a BETTER engine--higher quality, numerous improvements.
The Lycoming IO-360M1B is an excellent choice for an RV and will allow the
scoopless intake design. It is a fine engine. A picture of the M1B is on the
back cover of the December Sport Aviation. The Superior engine is pictured on
page 9 of the same issue. The nomenclature is different between Superior and
Lycoming and of course a custom built engine like mine--it is likely a one of
a kind. Oh, none of the recent ADs on Lycoming engines affected Superior PMA
parts equipped engines. Good luck. JR
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| Subject: | Re: superior engine quote |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stan Blanton" <stanb@door.net>
> Thanks for the info but you are wrong about one thing. The $27,690 Van's
> engine I originally referred to was not the angled valve 200 hp engine.
The
> angle valve engine is cut and pasted below as well as the original 180 hp
> engine I was curious about.
>
> I'll ask again, what's the difference between Van's M1B for $27K vs. the
> Superior fuel injected engine for quite a few bucks less other than
> certification?
>
> 180HP
> Part Number = EA IO-360-M1B
> Price = $27690.00
> On-line ordering is not available for this item. Please select the order
> form for this item from the order form page and mail or fax the completed
> form to us.
>
snip
The two significant differences between the O-360=A1A & the IO-360-M1B are:
O-360-A!A uses the updraft carburetor with the intake pipes going through
the sump just like an O-320.
IO-360-M1B uses the sump from a 200hp angle valve IO-360 with custom intake
tubes to mate with the parallel valve 180hp heads.
When figuring the price of the -M1B Lycoming adds the cost of the angle
valve sump , approx. $1500, and adds the cost of the custom intake pipes at,
get this, approx. $950 each. The engine is still rated at 180hp but some
would maintain that it puts out quite a bit more with the tuned intake pipes
and sump similar to what the 200hp motor has.
You could make your own version of this engine by bolting a 200hp sump on a
parallel valve motor and modifying the intake pipes as necessary.
Stan Blanton
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| Subject: | Re: Need a battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Kyle,
Have you checked the integrity of the "Prestolite starter" and it's support
system. for hight resistance conections etc?.
Just a thought,
Jim in kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a battery
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
<kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
>
> I spent 30 or more minutes on the Aeroelectric list before I posted my
> question. Lots of information there, but I didn't find anything that
> directly addressed my question.
>
> I'm fairly disciplined about scouring the archives before I post to the
> list... ;-)
>
> KB
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlie & Tupper England" <cengland@netdoor.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a battery
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England
> <cengland@netdoor.com>
> >
> > Kyle Boatright wrote:
> >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
> <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
> > >
> > >I currently have a Concorde RG-25XC in the RV-6. I've never been
> particularly impressed with its cold cranking ability. I imagine the wood
> prop and the Prestolite starter contribute to the problem. I am
considering
> switching batteries to something with more cold cranking amps.
> > >
> > >Neither Van's site nor Aircraft Spruce show the cranking amps for
> Concorde batteries, which makes it hard to look for a battery that offers
> more cranking power. Can anyone point me to the appropriate data or (even
> better) post comparison data for similar batteries?
> > >
> > >Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Try searching the aeroelectric list. Lots of posts about batteries in
> > recent months.
> >
> > Charlie
> > (sorry about the pun)
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: superior engine quote-oops |
--> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com
Sorry about my previous post, it was intended to be private and I failed to
notice that it had been replied back to the RV list despite the earlier
e-mails in this converation being private. Hope everyone is off to a good new
year, January is such a boring month. Just completeing my new shop. Do Not
Archive. JR
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| Subject: | Re: Need a battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
><kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
>
>I currently have a Concorde RG-25XC in the RV-6. I've never been
>particularly impressed with its cold cranking ability. I imagine the wood
>prop and the Prestolite starter contribute to the problem. I am
>considering switching batteries to something with more cold cranking amps.
>
>Neither Van's site nor Aircraft Spruce show the cranking amps for Concorde
>batteries, which makes it hard to look for a battery that offers more
>cranking power. Can anyone point me to the appropriate data or (even
>better) post comparison data for similar batteries?
>
>Thanks.
IMO, install anything BUT another Concorde. The Odyssey, Wally world lawn
and garden, etc, all do a great job and cost less.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
Wally world sparkin' my starter and loves it.
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| Subject: | Re: Need a battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Kyle,
I don't think that you'll find another battery with much better cranking power
than the Concord XC. What you really should be considering is replacing that boat
anchor of a starter with a Sky Tec. You won't believe the difference.
Dave Bristol RV6, EAATech Counselor
Kyle Boatright wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
>
> I spent 30 or more minutes on the Aeroelectric list before I posted my
> question. Lots of information there, but I didn't find anything that
> directly addressed my question.
>
> I'm fairly disciplined about scouring the archives before I post to the
> list... ;-)
>
> KB
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlie & Tupper England" <cengland@netdoor.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a battery
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England
> <cengland@netdoor.com>
> >
> > Kyle Boatright wrote:
> >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
> <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
> > >
> > >I currently have a Concorde RG-25XC in the RV-6. I've never been
> particularly impressed with its cold cranking ability. I imagine the wood
> prop and the Prestolite starter contribute to the problem. I am considering
> switching batteries to something with more cold cranking amps.
> > >
> > >Neither Van's site nor Aircraft Spruce show the cranking amps for
> Concorde batteries, which makes it hard to look for a battery that offers
> more cranking power. Can anyone point me to the appropriate data or (even
> better) post comparison data for similar batteries?
> > >
> > >Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Try searching the aeroelectric list. Lots of posts about batteries in
> > recent months.
> >
> > Charlie
> > (sorry about the pun)
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: >Re:Need a Battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
But Can you start your lawnmower? <GRIN>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Oldsfolks@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: >Re:Need a Battery
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
Kyle;
Just look down the RV List to Jan. 15 - and look at Odyssey Batteries.
I promise you that they will make you throw away the Concorde !!
I switched to Odyssey and put the Concorde in my lawn mower.
I was having trouble cranking my Lycoming - But NO MORE .
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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| Subject: | Re: Need a battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: <315@cox.net>
Hi Kyle,
Below is a link to the Concorde site that gives their battery specs. I'm
not sure if it actually gives "cold cranking amps (CCA)" I tried to compare
The RG25XC to others by CCA in the past and did not actually find CCA
figure for the Concorde battery. I fly with the RG25XC in my Tiger and it
has performed very well even with the Skytech Starter.
Recombinant Gas is the way to go. No more worries about acid leaking onto
the lower cowl. In my Jabiru 3300 Pulsar I have a Hawker 16.5 amp Hr
Battery that I think will also crank a Lycoming.
If you like I can email you directly an attachment that compared the smaller
batteries and prices as of a year ago.
http://www.concordebattery.com/products/Com_Specs_List.cfm
Ned
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a battery
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
<kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
>
> I spent 30 or more minutes on the Aeroelectric list before I posted my
> question. Lots of information there, but I didn't find anything that
> directly addressed my question.
>
> I'm fairly disciplined about scouring the archives before I post to the
> list... ;-)
>
> KB
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlie & Tupper England" <cengland@netdoor.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a battery
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England
> <cengland@netdoor.com>
> >
> > Kyle Boatright wrote:
> >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
> <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
> > >
> > >I currently have a Concorde RG-25XC in the RV-6. I've never been
> particularly impressed with its cold cranking ability. I imagine the wood
> prop and the Prestolite starter contribute to the problem. I am
considering
> switching batteries to something with more cold cranking amps.
> > >
> > >Neither Van's site nor Aircraft Spruce show the cranking amps for
> Concorde batteries, which makes it hard to look for a battery that offers
> more cranking power. Can anyone point me to the appropriate data or (even
> better) post comparison data for similar batteries?
> > >
> > >Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Try searching the aeroelectric list. Lots of posts about batteries in
> > recent months.
> >
> > Charlie
> > (sorry about the pun)
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need a battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Kyle,
Try: http://www.concordebattery.com/products/Com_Specs_List.cfm
Dave
Kyle Boatright wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
>
> I currently have a Concorde RG-25XC in the RV-6. I've never been particularly
impressed with its cold cranking ability. I imagine the wood prop and the Prestolite
starter contribute to the problem. I am considering switching batteries
to something with more cold cranking amps.
>
> Neither Van's site nor Aircraft Spruce show the cranking amps for Concorde batteries,
which makes it hard to look for a battery that offers more cranking power.
Can anyone point me to the appropriate data or (even better) post comparison
data for similar batteries?
>
> Thanks.
>
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| Subject: | Re: superior engine quote |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
> I'll ask again, what's the difference between Van's M1B for $27K vs. the
> Superior fuel injected engine for quite a few bucks less other than
> certification?
Dear Lucky,
To the best of my knowledge on Injected Locoing (and clones):
Van's IO-360-A1B6 (200hp) is the heavy "Angle" Valve Engine
Van's IO-360-M1B (180hp) is the "Parallel" Valve Engine
Superior's IO-360 is also a "Parallel" Valve Engine for less money!
I don't think Superior kits the Angle Valve Version?
(I'd go with the Superior Parallel Valves souped up if it were my $$$!)
Hope this helps, but please call Aero-Sport or Ly-Con to get experts advice.
Konrad
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: external speaker |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 1/19/2003 2:06:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,
bert6@mybluelight.com writes:
> I would like to hear from those who have installed
> an external speaker, inside the cockpit. What type have
> been installed, size, and place of installation, and
> where you found it...
>
>
> I have looked for a very small one, but cannot find one
> the ones I have seeing, are too big, for what I want,
> and they do not have a cover,
No need for a cover. I put a Radio Shack Realistic 40-1208 speaker on the
subpanel (the panel in front of the instrument panel) of my 6A facing aft
(with a full hole cutout). It is out of the way and very easy to hear when
needed on the ground.
-GV (RV-6A N1GV 586hrs)
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| Subject: | Re: external speaker |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Bert;
Although not usable for in-flight listening or whenever the engine is
running, a cockpit speaker can be a help when copying ATIS or a clearance
prior to engine start. I added one to my radio installation and also a jack
for a handheld microphone to talk as well without a headset. (This will also
be a back up for the day when my headset mic dies, etc.)
I checked the speaker impedance needed for my radio and went shopping at the
local Radio Shack. About $10 for a 4 inch or so utility speaker. Certainly
not the lightest or smallest out there but the price was right. I mounted it
on one of the F6107s up near the firewall. Cut a suitable sized hole with a
fly cutter and sandwiched a piece of screen material (from the Home Depot
screen door dept.) between speaker and the 6107 to keep out flies, errant
fingers, or whatever. Pretty quick, adding the wiring with a connector for
panel removal took longer.
Jim Oke
RV-6A - at the hanger but still working on the wiring
Winnipeg, MB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
Subject: RV-List: external speaker
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
>
> Hi:
>
> I would like to hear from those who have installed
> an external speaker, inside the cokpit. What type have
> been installed, size, and place of installation, and
> where you found it...
>
>
> I have looked for a very small one, but cannot find one
> the ones I have seing, are too big, for what I want,
> and they do not have a cover,
>
> thanks
>
> Bert
>
> rv6a
> Electrical panel odds and ends...
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> Sign up for Internet Service under $10 dollars a month, at
http://isp.BlueLight.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need a battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Kyle Boatright wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
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> I currently have a Concorde RG-25XC in the RV-6. I've never been particularly
impressed with its cold cranking ability. I imagine the wood prop and the Prestolite
starter contribute to the problem. I am considering switching batteries
to something with more cold cranking amps.
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> Neither Van's site nor Aircraft Spruce show the cranking amps for Concorde batteries,
which makes it hard to look for a battery that offers more cranking power.
Can anyone point me to the appropriate data or (even better) post comparison
data for similar batteries?
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> Thanks.
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Kyle,
Put me in the get rid of the Concorde battery column. I decided to use a
Odyssey 680 battery this time around and am very happy. I have a light
weight starter and it seemed that on cold mornings it just would not
crank over well at all with the Concorde XC. This past Saturday it was
freezing out and my airplane turned over and started as if it was
a warm day. I cannot believe the cranking power it develops.
I got it at Sunn Battery for $80.00 delivered to my door.
Others have found it a little cheaper. Plus the shipping
weight was 13.7 lbs which is about 7 or 8 lbs lighter.
Jerry
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