---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/19/03: 56 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:28 AM - Re: Re:Leftover parts two F-804L (Dana Overall) 2. 05:10 AM - Re: Engine Hung (Charles Rowbotham) 3. 06:25 AM - Re: Re:Leftover parts two F-804L (Kevin Horton) 4. 06:55 AM - Re: Pitot hole in wing (Steve Struyk) 5. 07:04 AM - Re: Re:Leftover parts two F-804L (Dana Overall) 6. 07:35 AM - Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube" (Miller Robert) 7. 07:41 AM - Re: Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube" (Alex Peterson) 8. 07:58 AM - Re: Millenium Cylinders (Randy Lervold) 9. 08:16 AM - Award Winning RV-6A For Sale - New Engine, New Constant Speed Prop, Less than 200 HRS Total Time (Scott Johnson) 10. 09:40 AM - Taylor Pneumatic Tools (Bill Irvine) 11. 10:58 AM - Re: Barts Engines (Dwpetrus@aol.com) 12. 10:59 AM - Re: superior engine quote (Norman) 13. 11:00 AM - Re: Temper Foam on the Cheap (Dwpetrus@aol.com) 14. 11:13 AM - Photoshare Printing Problems (Norman) 15. 11:13 AM - Re: Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube" (Jim Jewell) 16. 11:27 AM - Re: Need Sensenich prop spacer for 0-360 (HCRV6@aol.com) 17. 11:39 AM - Re: Photoshare Printing Problems (James E. Clark) 18. 12:13 PM - Re: Barts Engines (Konrad Werner) 19. 12:30 PM - Re: superior engine quote (Terry Watson) 20. 01:00 PM - Re: superior engine quote (Michael Stephan) 21. 01:37 PM - Re: Photoshare Printing Problems (Patrick Kelley) 22. 01:50 PM - Re: Photoshare Printing Problems (Dom Forrest) 23. 01:59 PM - [ Fred Stucklen ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 24. 02:04 PM - Re: Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube" (Elsa & Henry) 25. 02:04 PM - external speaker (Bert Forero) 26. 03:49 PM - Re: superior engine quote (lucky macy) 27. 03:55 PM - Re: external speaker (barry pote) 28. 04:00 PM - Re: external speaker (Doug Weiler) 29. 04:20 PM - Re: wheel clearance (czechsix@juno.com) 30. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: wheel clearance (Alex Peterson) 31. 05:20 PM - Re: Re: wheel clearance (Stein Bruch) 32. 05:23 PM - Re: superior engine quote (David Lundquist) 33. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: wheel clearance (Jim Jewell) 34. 06:52 PM - Need a battery (Kyle Boatright) 35. 07:13 PM - Re: Need a battery (Charlie & Tupper England) 36. 07:13 PM - Re: superior engine quote (RV8ter@aol.com) 37. 07:14 PM - Re: superior engine quote (RV8ter@aol.com) 38. 07:14 PM - Re: superior engine quote (RV8ter@aol.com) 39. 07:14 PM - Re: superior engine quote (RV8ter@aol.com) 40. 07:15 PM - Re: superior engine quote (RV8ter@aol.com) 41. 07:17 PM - Re: superior engine quote (RV8ter@aol.com) 42. 07:36 PM - Re: Need a battery (Kyle Boatright) 43. 07:36 PM - >Re:Need a Battery (Oldsfolks@aol.com) 44. 07:38 PM - Re: superior engine quote--OK (JRWillJR@aol.com) 45. 07:47 PM - Re: superior engine quote (Stan Blanton) 46. 07:55 PM - Re: Need a battery (Jim Jewell) 47. 07:58 PM - Re: superior engine quote-oops (JRWillJR@aol.com) 48. 08:00 PM - Re: Need a battery (Brian Denk) 49. 08:09 PM - Re: Need a battery (Dave Bristol) 50. 08:13 PM - Re: >Re:Need a Battery (Cy Galley) 51. 08:14 PM - Re: Need a battery () 52. 08:36 PM - Re: Need a battery (Dave Bristol) 53. 08:57 PM - Re: superior engine quote (Konrad Werner) 54. 09:54 PM - Re: external speaker (Vanremog@aol.com) 55. 10:04 PM - Re: external speaker (Jim Oke) 56. 11:08 PM - Re: Need a battery (Jerry Springer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:05 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:Leftover parts two F-804L --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Bob, On the 7 you see the numbers 70X and 80X interchanged numerous times as many parts are interchangable between the 7 & 8. Takes a little getting used to but it works out. All flap ribs are designated F-XXXL or R. Dana Overall Richmond, KY http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >The number F-804L - should be a RV-8 fuselage part. > >Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor >RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now >Charleston, Arkansas >"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:10:54 AM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine Hung --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" Mark, Congratulations ! Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A (doing our annual Insp) >From: czechsix@juno.com >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Engine Hung >Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 20:14:48 -0600 > >--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com > >Yeeehaaaawwww! Finally got the engine hung on my -8A today.....red and >black O-360-A1A from Bart at Aerosport Power. Sure is a beautiful thing >to behold, and nice to be on to something other than sanding fiberglass >(well, I do have to fit/trim the cowl, but the sanding is already done on >everything--cowl included--except some touchup on the canopy skirt...). >And now I can take that sawhorse out from under the tail since she sits >proudly on the gear unassisted. > >Just had to pass the joy around a bit : ) Thanks to my buddy Alan >Kritzman for the help, and inspiration since his -8 is now flying... > >Do Not Archive > >--Mark Navratil >Cedar Rapids, Iowa >RV-8A N2D finally on to FWF and fun stuff......! > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:55 AM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:Leftover parts two F-804L --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton Flap parts have an FL part number. The F-804-L is a little triangular thing with rounded corners, made from 0.063 sheet. It is where the front seat crotch strap attaches for the seat belts on the RV-8. I have no idea whether the RV-7 would use this part or not. Kevin Horton At 7:25 AM -0500 1/19/03, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > >Bob, > >On the 7 you see the numbers 70X and 80X interchanged numerous times as many >parts are interchangable between the 7 & 8. Takes a little getting used to >but it works out. All flap ribs are designated F-XXXL or R. > > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >http://rvflying.tripod.com >do not archive > > >>The number F-804L - should be a RV-8 fuselage part. >> >>Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor >>RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now >>Charleston, Arkansas > >"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" >> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:42 AM PST US From: "Steve Struyk" Subject: Re: RV-List: Pitot hole in wing --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" If that hole is in fact for the tie downs (and I think they are) mine were not treaded yet and needed to be tapped. I too ordered Van's pitot, but opted for the Gretz. Steve Struyk St. Charles, MO RV-8 (Q.B.) N842S Canopy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" Subject: Re: RV-List: Pitot hole in wing > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" > > Brad, I believe you will find that (Other Hole) is treaded and is for your > "Wing Tie Down". I also installed the Gretz Pitot on my RV6A-QB. > > Tom in Ohio > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brad Benson" > To: > Subject: RV-List: Pitot hole in wing > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brad Benson" > > > > > > I've finished up the installation of the Gretz pitot tube mount in the > left wing of my RV6A quickbuild, but I've got one task left - plugging the > hole left for the regular aluminum tube pitot supplied by Van's. Since > this was a quickbuild kit, the hole was already punched in the wing for the > builder to run the aluminum tube + fittings through, but since I went with a > heated pitot option (the GretzAero kit is very well done, if anyone is > thinking about it/looking at it) I now have a hole to plug. I don't have > the plans in front of me, but it seems that the hole is perhaps 3/8" or 1/2" > in diameter. > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions for plugging the hole? I'd appreciate > any pointers on this - since it's on the wing next to the spar, I'm a little > anxious about messing it up... > > > > Thanks! > > Brad "Sharpie" Benson > > RV6AQB underway... > > "Please buy my software, it's funding my RV6A project!" - > http://www.notamd.com > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:01 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:Leftover parts two F-804L --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Duh...............never mind:-) Now, where is that coffee. They do interchange 8s with 7s, that makes me correct 50% of the time.......about what my wife believes also:-) Dana Overall Richmond, KY http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive > > >Flap parts have an FL part number. The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:48 AM PST US From: Miller Robert Subject: RV-List: Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube" --> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert Randall Henderson wrote: > > Someone else asked about using the gasket with proseal. I just used proseal > alone but I suppose with the gasket in there it'd be easier to get a blade > in between to get the two parts separated. I just thought the gasket might > deteriorate eventually so I left it out but thats probably being overly > paranoid. Or is it? What about pre-coating the cork with thinned mixture of Proseal... (porous cork then has taken its last drink and will not deteriorate?) Then using the usual thicker slurry of proseal to sandwich the cork between plate and tank. Possible advantages: Create a compressible seal without excessively squeezing the proseal out of the joint, and be easier to remove if ever needed. Has anyone done this? Robert ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:31 AM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube" --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" I gobbered up the cork gasket with pro-seal in a way that would prevent it from seeing fuel. Ask me in ten years how it worked. Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 251 hours www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller Robert Subject: RV-List: Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube" --> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert Randall Henderson wrote: > > Someone else asked about using the gasket with proseal. I just used > proseal alone but I suppose with the gasket in there it'd be easier to > get a blade in between to get the two parts separated. I just thought > the gasket might deteriorate eventually so I left it out but thats > probably being overly paranoid. Or is it? What about pre-coating the cork with thinned mixture of Proseal... (porous cork then has taken its last drink and will not deteriorate?) Then using the usual thicker slurry of proseal to sandwich the cork between plate and tank. Possible advantages: Create a compressible seal without excessively squeezing the proseal out of the joint, and be easier to remove if ever needed. Has anyone done this? Robert direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:08 AM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: Re: RV-List: Millenium Cylinders --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" Alex, Yes, I did exactly that. I had first-run rebuilt Lycoming cylinders on my Aero Sport Power engine when purchased, then I didn't run it hard enough during break-in and had high oil consumption. At around 150 hours I put new Superior sandcast cylinders on. These cylinders say "Millenium" on them but are different from their true Millenium product which is made using a different method, investment cast I believe. Bart recommended the sandcast version over the Millenium because the Milleniums didn't flow as well due some reinforcement in the intake port area. My understanding however is that this design has been changed and they now flow as well as the sandcast version. After switching I noticed no change in temps or performance. Randy Lervold RV-8, 290.6 hrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RV-List: Millenium Cylinders > --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > > Question: Has anyone out there flown for a while with Lycoming > cylinders on their RV, and then switched to Millenium? Specifically, > did you notice any change in indicated CHT's, other conditions similar? > I'm wondering if there might be subtle but important differences in how > they fashion their CHT ports as compared to Lycoming. > > Alex Peterson > Maple Grove, MN > RV6-A N66AP 251 hours > www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:01 AM PST US From: "Scott Johnson" Subject: RV-List: Award Winning RV-6A For Sale - New Engine, New Constant Speed Prop, Less than 200 HRS Total Time --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Johnson" RV6A For Sale at http://www.geocities.com/dan_s_johnson/RV6A/index.htm Link contains detail specifications and asking price. Vans 180HP Engine, Constant Speed Prop, King IFR certified (includes marker beacons and moving map GPS), Stereo and Intercom system, Imron Paint, Custom Interior, Extra electric attitude indicator. Less than 200 hours Total Time. Scott / Chicago ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:21 AM PST US From: Bill Irvine Subject: RV-List: Taylor Pneumatic Tools --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Irvine > As a result of email conversations on this list, I > was able to find a local tool supplier. However, > the only pneumatic tool line they carry is Taylor. > I have no experience with these at all and was > wondering if anyone else has any recommendations on > this line. I got the Taylor 90 and 45 degree air drills from Avery several years ago. Love 'em, great tools. I highly recommend them. Bill ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:44 AM PST US From: Dwpetrus@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Barts Engines --> RV-List message posted by: Dwpetrus@aol.com I live in Louisiana and I was shocked that my total shipping cost on the 0-360a1a was only $195. Wayne Petrus RV8A flying ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:21 AM PST US From: "Norman" Subject: Re: RV-List: superior engine quote --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" > I'm really interested in using a fuel injected engine and avoiding all carb > quirks so what's the groups opinions on this selection compared to whatever > the heck else is out there that's lycoming related? > Is Superior the only company that's apparently designed a > Lycoming "upgrade" engine? I am under the impression that the lightest weight and lowest price fuel injected O-360 engine would be from Bart Lalond with an Airflow Performance fuel injection conversion on an engine built up with all new modern parts. I thought one of these was just over $20k usd. But I could be wrong. Would like to hear from others that have already researched this with their wallet in their hand. Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC Do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:20 AM PST US From: Dwpetrus@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Temper Foam on the Cheap --> RV-List message posted by: Dwpetrus@aol.com count me in dwpetrus @aol.com. RV8A flying Wayne Petrus ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:05 AM PST US From: "Norman" Subject: RV-List: Photoshare Printing Problems --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" This is a great photoshare for quick reference of all the different aircraft hardware. http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Oldsfolks@aol.com.01.18.2003/index.html However, every meathod I try to print it with I onl get 1/4 of the page. What's up? Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC Do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:05 AM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: RV-List: Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube" --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Hello Robert, It is 'possible' that some builders might have had problems with cork gaskets due the selection of the wrong material to make the gasket out off. When it comes to cork for gaskets intended to contain gasoline avoid using plain cork material. The wrong stuff (hardware store cork) is not impregnated with fuel proof sealant and the size of the cork particles is not controlled well enough(read too large). this stuff is cork colored, and the thinner (1/6" thick) tends to fall apart when handled much. If you are a must have gasket material kind of person, the right stuff to use can be had or ordered at the local car parts outlet. One brand name, Fel-Pro Part No.3005 will get you a roll 36"x18"x1/16" Gasket or not use the suggested sealant, Pro Seal is one of several brand names. Going without gasket material and using "Pro Seal" works very well also. Jim in Kelowna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miller Robert" Subject: RV-List: Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube" > --> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert > > Randall Henderson wrote: > > > > > Someone else asked about using the gasket with proseal. I just used proseal > > alone but I suppose with the gasket in there it'd be easier to get a blade > > in between to get the two parts separated. I just thought the gasket might > > deteriorate eventually so I left it out but thats probably being overly > > paranoid. Or is it? > > What about pre-coating the cork with thinned mixture of Proseal... (porous cork > then has taken its last drink and will not deteriorate?) > Then using the usual thicker slurry of proseal to sandwich the cork between > plate and tank. > Possible advantages: Create a compressible seal without excessively squeezing > the proseal out of the joint, and be easier to remove if ever needed. > Has anyone done this? > > Robert > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:42 AM PST US From: HCRV6@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: Need Sensenich prop spacer for 0-360 --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com Thanks to Sam and Hal I turned my rusty old brain on and came up with a neat solution to my concern about how to center the spinner back plate when using PVC pipes to simulate a Sensenich prop spacer. I found some fine thread 1/2 x 2.75 bolts and some 1/2 in. ID x 5/8 in. OD nylon spacers in the aviation supply aisles at our local hardware store. Super glued the spacers to the bolts at the head end to fill the 5/8 in. holes in the back plate and bingo, everything is centered dead on. Do not archive Harry Crosby Pleasanton, California RV-6, starting firewall forward ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:46 AM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: Photoshare Printing Problems --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" Same here. I was wondering ... what is the original source of this sheet of info? James > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Norman > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 2:12 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Photoshare Printing Problems > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" > > This is a great photoshare for quick reference of all the > different aircraft hardware. > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Oldsfolks@aol.com.01.18.2003/i > ndex.html > However, every meathod I try to print it with I onl get 1/4 of > the page. What's up? > > Norman Hunger > RV6A Delta BC > Do not archive > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:57 PM PST US From: "Konrad Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Barts Engines --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" Dear Wayne, What shipping company was used for that incredibly low price? (You are talking from Bart's facility in Canada all the way to Louisiana, right?) Konrad ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Barts Engines > --> RV-List message posted by: Dwpetrus@aol.com > > I live in Louisiana and I was shocked that my total shipping cost on the > 0-360a1a was only $195. > > Wayne Petrus > RV8A flying > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:17 PM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: superior engine quote --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" My new Aero Sport Power IO-360 B1B with Lightspeed ignition on one side and Airflow Performance fuel injection due next month was $23,565.00 U.S. This is the Superior XP, non-certified parallel valve engine. With the fuel injection but without the Lighspeed ignition I was quoted $22,990.00. Terry RV-8A Seattle I am under the impression that the lightest weight and lowest price fuel injected O-360 engine would be from Bart Lalond with an Airflow Performance fuel injection conversion on an engine built up with all new modern parts. I thought one of these was just over $20k usd. But I could be wrong. Would like to hear from others that have already researched this with their wallet in their hand. Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC Do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: superior engine quote From: Michael Stephan --> RV-List message posted by: Michael Stephan I'll chime in, since I just did the deal with Superior. Also, our EAA chapter has had several presentations from the Superior Airparts people. Here goes: O-360 A1A2 - Carbureted and Fixed pitch prop. O-360 B1A2 - Carbureted and Constant speed prop. IO-360 A1A2 - Fuel Injected and Fixed pitch. IO-360 B1A2 - Fuel Injected and Constant Speed prop. These engines are all basically the same with the above distinctions. The IO-360 is the same as the O-360 with a fuel injection system installed. These engines have parallel valves and make similar power to the Lycoming O-360 (180 hp). The Lycoming IO-360 has angled valves and is a 200 hp engine, and that explains the difference in price. The Lycoming angled valve engine is a little more complex. However, the salespeople at Superior says that their improvements to the case have given them about 190 hp although the power charts I got with my engine look like lycoming's and have max power at 180 hp. Don't try to correlate Superior's naming conventions with Lycoming's. they don't fit. My XP-360 was built by Powersport. So, if you wanted more hp you could ask for the higher compression pistons. I have the O-360 B1A2, and it is a beautiful well built engine. It came with the Starter, the mags, and the carbureter. Powersport test ran the engine and listed the cylinderhead temps, oil pressure, oil temp, oil consumption, fuel flow and fuel pressure at several different RPMs. Total time tested was 1.25 hrs. A friend with a brand new Lycoming O-360 was impressed with superior's engine. If I were redo my decision I would choose the Superior IO-360 and use the GAMI injectors. ECI is also building a kit engine, which I think is little cheaper than Superior. I don't know if they are shipping yet. http://www.eci2fly.com/Products/Engine_Kit/enginekit.htm Hope to be in the air before the summer. -- Michael Stephan RV-8 builder > > I asked for quotes on engines suitable for an RV-8. Superior sent me > O-360-A1A2 for 19,990 > O-360-B1A2 $20,990 > IO-360-B1A2 $22,990 > and XP IO-360-A1A2 $21,990 > > They only give dimensions and drawings on the B1A2. > > All these quotes include accessory option of magnetos, ignition harness, > starter, fuel system, spark plugs and fuel pump. > > What's the difference between these numbers? > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:25 PM PST US From: "Patrick Kelley" Subject: RE: RV-List: Photoshare Printing Problems --> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" I downloaded the .bmp version and printed it using ACDSee with the page margins set to 0" and the fit-to-page checkbox checked. It came out readable but I will probably modify it to trim the edges off the image and then print it again so that the text is clearer. The decimal-to-english chart is not good, especially at the 1/16" and 1/8" intervals but blowing the image up did not help; on the other hand, it is not hard to figure out from the intervals that can be read. Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - F604 riveted and being fitted to jig -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Norman Subject: RV-List: Photoshare Printing Problems --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" This is a great photoshare for quick reference of all the different aircraft hardware. http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Oldsfolks@aol.com.01.18.2003/index.h tml However, every meathod I try to print it with I onl get 1/4 of the page. What's up? Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC Do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:09 PM PST US From: "Dom Forrest" Subject: RE: RV-List: Photoshare Printing Problems --> RV-List message posted by: "Dom Forrest" Same problem for me - however.... Right click on it and choose SAVE AS. Save it locally on your computer. Open it from there & print and it comes out OK. Dom -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James E. Clark Subject: RE: RV-List: Photoshare Printing Problems --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" Same here. I was wondering ... what is the original source of this sheet of info? James > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Norman > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 2:12 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Photoshare Printing Problems > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Norman" > > This is a great photoshare for quick reference of all the > different aircraft hardware. > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Oldsfolks@aol.com.01.18.2003/i > ndex.html > However, every meathod I try to print it with I onl get 1/4 of > the page. What's up? > > Norman Hunger > RV6A Delta BC > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:02 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: [ Fred Stucklen ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Fred Stucklen Subject: Instrument Panel & Radio Stack Wiring http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Fred.Stucklen@UTCFuelCells.com.01.19.2003/index.html -------------------------------------------- o EMAIL LIST PHOTO SHARE Share your files and photos with other List members simply by emailing the files to: pictures@matronics.com Please view the typical Share above and include the Description Text Fields as shown along with your submission of files and photos. o Main Photo Share Index: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare -------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:27 PM PST US From: "Elsa & Henry" Subject: Re: RV-List: Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube" --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" I made my own fuel-tank cover gaskets out of cork obtained from NAPA, they carry a package of 9"x 11" gaskets of different material including enough cork ones for both tanks. The quality of the cork is dense and the sheet is 3/32" thick----Perfect! I used a bead of Proseal on both side of the gasket, laid inside the ring of nut-plates /screw holes. I took the precaution of putting caps on all the nut-plates, sealed with proseal, to prevent fuel weeping down the screw threads. For this I used obsolete germanium transistors (have lots of them left over from organ building), from which I sawed-off the caps.-- Fit perfectly over the nut-plate with enough free room for the screw penetration. The Napa Gasket Package has a bar-code id. "NGA . JV1" Cheers!!---Henry Hore ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:50 PM PST US From: "Bert Forero" Subject: RV-List: external speaker --> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" Hi: I would like to hear from those who have installed an external speaker, inside the cokpit. What type have been installed, size, and place of installation, and where you found it... I have looked for a very small one, but cannot find one the ones I have seing, are too big, for what I want, and they do not have a cover, thanks Bert rv6a Electrical panel odds and ends... Do Not Archive Sign up for Internet Service under $10 dollars a month, at http://isp.BlueLight.com ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:41 PM PST US From: "lucky macy" Subject: Re: RV-List: superior engine quote --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" Thanks for the info but you are wrong about one thing. The $27,690 Van's engine I originally referred to was not the angled valve 200 hp engine. The angle valve engine is cut and pasted below as well as the original 180 hp engine I was curious about. I'll ask again, what's the difference between Van's M1B for $27K vs. the Superior fuel injected engine for quite a few bucks less other than certification? 200HP Part Number = EA IO-360-A1B6 Price = $32250.00 On-line ordering is not available for this item. Please select the order form for this item from the order form page and mail or fax the completed form to us. Click on the link below to go to the order form page. http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/orderfrm.htm 180HP Part Number = EA IO-360-M1B Price = $27690.00 On-line ordering is not available for this item. Please select the order form for this item from the order form page and mail or fax the completed form to us. lucky >From: Michael Stephan >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: superior engine quote >Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:59:02 -0600 > >--> RV-List message posted by: Michael Stephan > >I'll chime in, since I just did the deal with Superior. Also, our EAA >chapter has had several presentations from the Superior Airparts people. >Here goes: > >O-360 A1A2 - Carbureted and Fixed pitch prop. >O-360 B1A2 - Carbureted and Constant speed prop. >IO-360 A1A2 - Fuel Injected and Fixed pitch. >IO-360 B1A2 - Fuel Injected and Constant Speed prop. > >These engines are all basically the same with the above distinctions. The >IO-360 is the same as the O-360 with a fuel injection system installed. >These engines have parallel valves and make similar power to the Lycoming >O-360 (180 hp). The Lycoming IO-360 has angled valves and is a 200 hp >engine, and that explains the difference in price. The Lycoming angled >valve engine is a little more complex. However, the salespeople at >Superior >says that their improvements to the case have given them about 190 hp >although the power charts I got with my engine look like lycoming's and >have >max power at 180 hp. > >Don't try to correlate Superior's naming conventions with Lycoming's. they >don't fit. > >My XP-360 was built by Powersport. So, if you wanted more hp you could ask >for the higher compression pistons. I have the O-360 B1A2, and it is a >beautiful well built engine. It came with the Starter, the mags, and the >carbureter. Powersport test ran the engine and listed the cylinderhead >temps, oil pressure, oil temp, oil consumption, fuel flow and fuel pressure >at several different RPMs. Total time tested was 1.25 hrs. A friend >with >a brand new Lycoming O-360 was impressed with superior's engine. If I were >redo my decision I would choose the Superior IO-360 and use the GAMI >injectors. > >ECI is also building a kit engine, which I think is little cheaper than >Superior. I don't know if they are shipping yet. >http://www.eci2fly.com/Products/Engine_Kit/enginekit.htm > >Hope to be in the air before the summer. > >-- >Michael Stephan >RV-8 builder > > > > > I asked for quotes on engines suitable for an RV-8. Superior sent me > > O-360-A1A2 for 19,990 > > O-360-B1A2 $20,990 > > IO-360-B1A2 $22,990 > > and XP IO-360-A1A2 $21,990 > > > > They only give dimensions and drawings on the B1A2. > > > > All these quotes include accessory option of magnetos, ignition harness, > > starter, fuel system, spark plugs and fuel pump. > > > > What's the difference between these numbers? > > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:47 PM PST US From: barry pote Subject: Re: RV-List: external speaker --> RV-List message posted by: barry pote Bert, Check out Gary Newsted's site. It is a great site for many things. http://www.jlc.net/~fcs/avionics.htm Barry Pote RV9a canopy Bert Forero wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" > > Hi: > > I would like to hear from those who have installed > an external speaker, inside the cokpit. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:26 PM PST US From: "Doug Weiler" Subject: Re: RV-List: external speaker --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" > > Hi: > > I would like to hear from those who have installed > an external speaker, inside the cokpit. What type have > been installed, size, and place of installation, and > where you found it... > > > I have looked for a very small one, but cannot find one > the ones I have seing, are too big, for what I want, > and they do not have a cover, > > Hate to say this, but I think that would be a waste of time. These airplanes are unbearably noisy without a headset. You'd never be able to hear plus you'd ruin your hearing flying without a headset Doug Weiler Hudson, WI one RV-4 flying one RV-4 almost ready to fly ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:53 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: wheel clearance From: czechsix@juno.com --> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com Jim, I asked the same question to Vans and the List recently when fitting my wheel pants, and the universal answer was something like a "finger-width" all around. How's that for a technical answer? : ) I s'pose it depends on whether you have a standard Vans-issue calibrated finger size or not. If you have skinny fingers like mine, you want a "loose" finger-width clearance. If you have big fat bubba fingers you can probably settle for a tight finger-tip-squishing clearance..... Hope this clears up all the confusion. --Mark Navratil Cedar Rapids, Iowa RV-8A N2D finishing stuff..... Time: 02:18:32 AM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: RV-List: wheel clearance --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" I'm fitting Van's main gear two piece wheel pants on my 6-a. What tire to wheel pant opening clearance is considered best over all? Jim in Kelowna ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:52 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: wheel clearance --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" Regarding fairing clearance, I suggest letting the air out of the tires to see where they would interfere in the event of a non-planned flat tire. I "modified" the opening on my nosewheel fairing when I had a flat. Wouldn't want the tire to jamb and bust things, especially in the nose. Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 251 hours www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:13 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: wheel clearance --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" One more advantage to having a tailwheel!!!! Sorry.....I just couldn't resist. Stein Bruch RV6, Minneapolis Do Not Archive --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" Regarding fairing clearance, I suggest letting the air out of the tires to see where they would interfere in the event of a non-planned flat tire. I "modified" the opening on my nosewheel fairing when I had a flat. Wouldn't want the tire to jamb and bust things, especially in the nose. Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 251 hours www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:41 PM PST US From: David Lundquist Subject: Re: RV-List: superior engine quote --> RV-List message posted by: David Lundquist Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but are the Superior engines you were quoted factory NEW or ReMan? They sound too low for factory new. Dave Lundquist ----- Original Message ----- From: "lucky macy" Subject: Re: RV-List: superior engine quote > --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" > > Thanks for the info but you are wrong about one thing. The $27,690 Van's > engine I originally referred to was not the angled valve 200 hp engine. The > angle valve engine is cut and pasted below as well as the original 180 hp > engine I was curious about. > > I'll ask again, what's the difference between Van's M1B for $27K vs. the > Superior fuel injected engine for quite a few bucks less other than > certification? > > 200HP > Part Number = EA IO-360-A1B6 > Price = $32250.00 > On-line ordering is not available for this item. Please select the order > form for this item from the order form page and mail or fax the completed > form to us. > > Click on the link below to go to the order form page. > http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/orderfrm.htm > > 180HP > Part Number = EA IO-360-M1B > Price = $27690.00 > On-line ordering is not available for this item. Please select the order > form for this item from the order form page and mail or fax the completed > form to us. > > > lucky > > > >From: Michael Stephan > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: RV-List: superior engine quote > >Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:59:02 -0600 > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Michael Stephan > > > >I'll chime in, since I just did the deal with Superior. Also, our EAA > >chapter has had several presentations from the Superior Airparts people. > >Here goes: > > > >O-360 A1A2 - Carbureted and Fixed pitch prop. > >O-360 B1A2 - Carbureted and Constant speed prop. > >IO-360 A1A2 - Fuel Injected and Fixed pitch. > >IO-360 B1A2 - Fuel Injected and Constant Speed prop. > > > >These engines are all basically the same with the above distinctions. The > >IO-360 is the same as the O-360 with a fuel injection system installed. > >These engines have parallel valves and make similar power to the Lycoming > >O-360 (180 hp). The Lycoming IO-360 has angled valves and is a 200 hp > >engine, and that explains the difference in price. The Lycoming angled > >valve engine is a little more complex. However, the salespeople at > >Superior > >says that their improvements to the case have given them about 190 hp > >although the power charts I got with my engine look like lycoming's and > >have > >max power at 180 hp. > > > >Don't try to correlate Superior's naming conventions with Lycoming's. they > >don't fit. > > > >My XP-360 was built by Powersport. So, if you wanted more hp you could ask > >for the higher compression pistons. I have the O-360 B1A2, and it is a > >beautiful well built engine. It came with the Starter, the mags, and the > >carbureter. Powersport test ran the engine and listed the cylinderhead > >temps, oil pressure, oil temp, oil consumption, fuel flow and fuel pressure > >at several different RPMs. Total time tested was 1.25 hrs. A friend > >with > >a brand new Lycoming O-360 was impressed with superior's engine. If I were > >redo my decision I would choose the Superior IO-360 and use the GAMI > >injectors. > > > >ECI is also building a kit engine, which I think is little cheaper than > >Superior. I don't know if they are shipping yet. > >http://www.eci2fly.com/Products/Engine_Kit/enginekit.htm > > > >Hope to be in the air before the summer. > > > >-- > >Michael Stephan > >RV-8 builder > > > > > > > > I asked for quotes on engines suitable for an RV-8. Superior sent me > > > O-360-A1A2 for 19,990 > > > O-360-B1A2 $20,990 > > > IO-360-B1A2 $22,990 > > > and XP IO-360-A1A2 $21,990 > > > > > > They only give dimensions and drawings on the B1A2. > > > > > > All these quotes include accessory option of magnetos, ignition harness, > > > starter, fuel system, spark plugs and fuel pump. > > > > > > What's the difference between these numbers? > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:36 PM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: wheel clearance --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Thanks go out to Alex and Mark. Do not archive Jim in Kelowna Just yet!(;-}! ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Re: wheel clearance > --> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com > > Jim, > > I asked the same question to Vans and the List recently when fitting my > wheel pants, and the universal answer was something like a "finger-width" > all around. How's that for a technical answer? : ) I s'pose it depends > on whether you have a standard Vans-issue calibrated finger size or not. > If you have skinny fingers like mine, you want a "loose" finger-width > clearance. If you have big fat bubba fingers you can probably settle for > a tight finger-tip-squishing clearance..... > > Hope this clears up all the confusion. > > --Mark Navratil > Cedar Rapids, Iowa > RV-8A N2D finishing stuff..... > > Time: 02:18:32 AM PST US > From: "Jim Jewell" > Subject: RV-List: wheel clearance > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" > > I'm fitting Van's main gear two piece wheel pants on my 6-a. > What tire to wheel pant opening clearance is considered best over all? > > Jim in Kelowna > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:34 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: RV-List: Need a battery --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" I currently have a Concorde RG-25XC in the RV-6. I've never been particularly impressed with its cold cranking ability. I imagine the wood prop and the Prestolite starter contribute to the problem. I am considering switching batteries to something with more cold cranking amps. Neither Van's site nor Aircraft Spruce show the cranking amps for Concorde batteries, which makes it hard to look for a battery that offers more cranking power. Can anyone point me to the appropriate data or (even better) post comparison data for similar batteries? Thanks. ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:16 PM PST US From: Charlie & Tupper England Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a battery --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England Kyle Boatright wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > >I currently have a Concorde RG-25XC in the RV-6. I've never been particularly impressed with its cold cranking ability. I imagine the wood prop and the Prestolite starter contribute to the problem. I am considering switching batteries to something with more cold cranking amps. > >Neither Van's site nor Aircraft Spruce show the cranking amps for Concorde batteries, which makes it hard to look for a battery that offers more cranking power. Can anyone point me to the appropriate data or (even better) post comparison data for similar batteries? > >Thanks. > > > > Try searching the aeroelectric list. Lots of posts about batteries in recent months. Charlie (sorry about the pun) ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:17 PM PST US From: RV8ter@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: superior engine quote --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com The letter does not appear to state. It says built with new millennium cylinders in accordance with superior air parts...with all new FAA approved parts. Each engine comes with a 3 year warranty or Manufacturer's recommended TBO, whichever occurs first. I guess that would imply rebuild? In a message dated 1/19/2003 8:26:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, dlndqst@optonline.net writes: > --> RV-List message posted by: David Lundquist > > Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but are the Superior engines you were quoted > factory NEW or ReMan? They sound too low for factory new. > > Dave Lundquist > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:04 PM PST US From: RV8ter@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: superior engine quote --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com The letter does not appear to state. It says built with new millennium cylinders in accordance with superior air parts...with all new FAA approved parts. Each engine comes with a 3 year warranty or Manufacturer's recommended TBO, whichever occurs first. I guess that would imply rebuild? In a message dated 1/19/2003 8:26:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, dlndqst@optonline.net writes: > --> RV-List message posted by: David Lundquist > > Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but are the Superior engines you were quoted > factory NEW or ReMan? They sound too low for factory new. > > Dave Lundquist > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:37 PM PST US From: RV8ter@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: superior engine quote --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com The letter does not appear to state. It says built with new millennium cylinders in accordance with superior air parts...with all new FAA approved parts. Each engine comes with a 3 year warranty or Manufacturer's recommended TBO, whichever occurs first. I guess that would imply rebuild? In a message dated 1/19/2003 8:26:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, dlndqst@optonline.net writes: > --> RV-List message posted by: David Lundquist > > Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but are the Superior engines you were quoted > factory NEW or ReMan? They sound too low for factory new. > > Dave Lundquist > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:43 PM PST US From: RV8ter@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: superior engine quote --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com The letter does not appear to state. It says built with new millennium cylinders in accordance with superior air parts...with all new FAA approved parts. Each engine comes with a 3 year warranty or Manufacturer's recommended TBO, whichever occurs first. I guess that would imply rebuild? In a message dated 1/19/2003 8:26:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, dlndqst@optonline.net writes: > --> RV-List message posted by: David Lundquist > > Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but are the Superior engines you were quoted > factory NEW or ReMan? They sound too low for factory new. > > Dave Lundquist > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:09 PM PST US From: RV8ter@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: superior engine quote --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com The letter does not appear to state. It says built with new millennium cylinders in accordance with superior air parts...with all new FAA approved parts. Each engine comes with a 3 year warranty or Manufacturer's recommended TBO, whichever occurs first. I guess that would imply rebuild? In a message dated 1/19/2003 8:26:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, dlndqst@optonline.net writes: > --> RV-List message posted by: David Lundquist > > Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but are the Superior engines you were quoted > factory NEW or ReMan? They sound too low for factory new. > > Dave Lundquist > ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:23 PM PST US From: RV8ter@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: superior engine quote --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com The letter does not appear to state. It says built with new millennium cylinders in accordance with superior air parts...with all new FAA approved parts. Each engine comes with a 3 year warranty or Manufacturer's recommended TBO, whichever occurs first. I guess that would imply rebuild? In a message dated 1/19/2003 8:26:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, dlndqst@optonline.net writes: > --> RV-List message posted by: David Lundquist > > Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but are the Superior engines you were quoted > factory NEW or ReMan? They sound too low for factory new. > > Dave Lundquist > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:00 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a battery --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" I spent 30 or more minutes on the Aeroelectric list before I posted my question. Lots of information there, but I didn't find anything that directly addressed my question. I'm fairly disciplined about scouring the archives before I post to the list... ;-) KB do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie & Tupper England" Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a battery > --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England > > Kyle Boatright wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > > > >I currently have a Concorde RG-25XC in the RV-6. I've never been particularly impressed with its cold cranking ability. I imagine the wood prop and the Prestolite starter contribute to the problem. I am considering switching batteries to something with more cold cranking amps. > > > >Neither Van's site nor Aircraft Spruce show the cranking amps for Concorde batteries, which makes it hard to look for a battery that offers more cranking power. Can anyone point me to the appropriate data or (even better) post comparison data for similar batteries? > > > >Thanks. > > > > > > > > > Try searching the aeroelectric list. Lots of posts about batteries in > recent months. > > Charlie > (sorry about the pun) > > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:42 PM PST US From: Oldsfolks@aol.com Subject: RV-List: >Re:Need a Battery --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com Kyle; Just look down the RV List to Jan. 15 - and look at Odyssey Batteries. I promise you that they will make you throw away the Concorde !! I switched to Odyssey and put the Concorde in my lawn mower. I was having trouble cranking my Lycoming - But NO MORE . Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:29 PM PST US From: JRWillJR@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: superior engine quote--OK --> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com Hi Lucky, No, I was not wrong, the IO-360M1B is a 180 horsepower, parallel valve engine with front induction, I don't think I said different--it has a forward facing intake. The Superior version of this engine is not yet available but will be soon. I bought the Superior based IO-360B2B. It has the Superior improved bottom induction that works with the standard cowl. This induction has improved performance over the standard Lycoming bottom induction--probably close to a front induction in terms of flow. I have seen it in cutaway and it is impressive. My cost for the engine including 195 dollars shipping was about 24,000 dollars. It is not a base engine. It is also complete with fuel pump, spin on oil filter, light weight starter, light weight 40A alternator, vacuum pump adapter, spark plugs, harness, two Slick impulse magnetos etc. I expect about 200 horses opr very close. This IS a parallel valve engine. To get the M1B up to the level of my engine would run another 2,000/3,000 dollars I imagine to tear down and blueprint and flow and port and balance. That price for the M1B probably does not include the alternator, not sure about the fuel pump. The biggest difference between these engine besides the front vs bottom induction is that I believe the Superior engine is a BETTER engine--higher quality, numerous improvements. The Lycoming IO-360M1B is an excellent choice for an RV and will allow the scoopless intake design. It is a fine engine. A picture of the M1B is on the back cover of the December Sport Aviation. The Superior engine is pictured on page 9 of the same issue. The nomenclature is different between Superior and Lycoming and of course a custom built engine like mine--it is likely a one of a kind. Oh, none of the recent ADs on Lycoming engines affected Superior PMA parts equipped engines. Good luck. JR ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:07 PM PST US From: "Stan Blanton" Subject: Re: RV-List: superior engine quote --> RV-List message posted by: "Stan Blanton" > Thanks for the info but you are wrong about one thing. The $27,690 Van's > engine I originally referred to was not the angled valve 200 hp engine. The > angle valve engine is cut and pasted below as well as the original 180 hp > engine I was curious about. > > I'll ask again, what's the difference between Van's M1B for $27K vs. the > Superior fuel injected engine for quite a few bucks less other than > certification? > > 180HP > Part Number = EA IO-360-M1B > Price = $27690.00 > On-line ordering is not available for this item. Please select the order > form for this item from the order form page and mail or fax the completed > form to us. > snip The two significant differences between the O-360=A1A & the IO-360-M1B are: O-360-A!A uses the updraft carburetor with the intake pipes going through the sump just like an O-320. IO-360-M1B uses the sump from a 200hp angle valve IO-360 with custom intake tubes to mate with the parallel valve 180hp heads. When figuring the price of the -M1B Lycoming adds the cost of the angle valve sump , approx. $1500, and adds the cost of the custom intake pipes at, get this, approx. $950 each. The engine is still rated at 180hp but some would maintain that it puts out quite a bit more with the tuned intake pipes and sump similar to what the 200hp motor has. You could make your own version of this engine by bolting a 200hp sump on a parallel valve motor and modifying the intake pipes as necessary. Stan Blanton ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:25 PM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a battery --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Hi Kyle, Have you checked the integrity of the "Prestolite starter" and it's support system. for hight resistance conections etc?. Just a thought, Jim in kelowna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a battery > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > > I spent 30 or more minutes on the Aeroelectric list before I posted my > question. Lots of information there, but I didn't find anything that > directly addressed my question. > > I'm fairly disciplined about scouring the archives before I post to the > list... ;-) > > KB > > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charlie & Tupper England" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a battery > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England > > > > > Kyle Boatright wrote: > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > > > > > > >I currently have a Concorde RG-25XC in the RV-6. I've never been > particularly impressed with its cold cranking ability. I imagine the wood > prop and the Prestolite starter contribute to the problem. I am considering > switching batteries to something with more cold cranking amps. > > > > > >Neither Van's site nor Aircraft Spruce show the cranking amps for > Concorde batteries, which makes it hard to look for a battery that offers > more cranking power. Can anyone point me to the appropriate data or (even > better) post comparison data for similar batteries? > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try searching the aeroelectric list. Lots of posts about batteries in > > recent months. > > > > Charlie > > (sorry about the pun) > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:39 PM PST US From: JRWillJR@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: superior engine quote-oops --> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com Sorry about my previous post, it was intended to be private and I failed to notice that it had been replied back to the RV list despite the earlier e-mails in this converation being private. Hope everyone is off to a good new year, January is such a boring month. Just completeing my new shop. Do Not Archive. JR ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:50 PM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a battery --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > > >I currently have a Concorde RG-25XC in the RV-6. I've never been >particularly impressed with its cold cranking ability. I imagine the wood >prop and the Prestolite starter contribute to the problem. I am >considering switching batteries to something with more cold cranking amps. > >Neither Van's site nor Aircraft Spruce show the cranking amps for Concorde >batteries, which makes it hard to look for a battery that offers more >cranking power. Can anyone point me to the appropriate data or (even >better) post comparison data for similar batteries? > >Thanks. IMO, install anything BUT another Concorde. The Odyssey, Wally world lawn and garden, etc, all do a great job and cost less. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD Wally world sparkin' my starter and loves it. ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:51 PM PST US From: Dave Bristol Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a battery --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol Kyle, I don't think that you'll find another battery with much better cranking power than the Concord XC. What you really should be considering is replacing that boat anchor of a starter with a Sky Tec. You won't believe the difference. Dave Bristol RV6, EAATech Counselor Kyle Boatright wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > > I spent 30 or more minutes on the Aeroelectric list before I posted my > question. Lots of information there, but I didn't find anything that > directly addressed my question. > > I'm fairly disciplined about scouring the archives before I post to the > list... ;-) > > KB > > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charlie & Tupper England" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a battery > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England > > > > > Kyle Boatright wrote: > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > > > > > > >I currently have a Concorde RG-25XC in the RV-6. I've never been > particularly impressed with its cold cranking ability. I imagine the wood > prop and the Prestolite starter contribute to the problem. I am considering > switching batteries to something with more cold cranking amps. > > > > > >Neither Van's site nor Aircraft Spruce show the cranking amps for > Concorde batteries, which makes it hard to look for a battery that offers > more cranking power. Can anyone point me to the appropriate data or (even > better) post comparison data for similar batteries? > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try searching the aeroelectric list. Lots of posts about batteries in > > recent months. > > > > Charlie > > (sorry about the pun) > > > > > ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:37 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: RE: RV-List: >Re:Need a Battery --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" But Can you start your lawnmower? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oldsfolks@aol.com Subject: RV-List: >Re:Need a Battery --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com Kyle; Just look down the RV List to Jan. 15 - and look at Odyssey Batteries. I promise you that they will make you throw away the Concorde !! I switched to Odyssey and put the Concorde in my lawn mower. I was having trouble cranking my Lycoming - But NO MORE . Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:07 PM PST US From: <315@cox.net> Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a battery --> RV-List message posted by: <315@cox.net> Hi Kyle, Below is a link to the Concorde site that gives their battery specs. I'm not sure if it actually gives "cold cranking amps (CCA)" I tried to compare The RG25XC to others by CCA in the past and did not actually find CCA figure for the Concorde battery. I fly with the RG25XC in my Tiger and it has performed very well even with the Skytech Starter. Recombinant Gas is the way to go. No more worries about acid leaking onto the lower cowl. In my Jabiru 3300 Pulsar I have a Hawker 16.5 amp Hr Battery that I think will also crank a Lycoming. If you like I can email you directly an attachment that compared the smaller batteries and prices as of a year ago. http://www.concordebattery.com/products/Com_Specs_List.cfm Ned ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a battery > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > > I spent 30 or more minutes on the Aeroelectric list before I posted my > question. Lots of information there, but I didn't find anything that > directly addressed my question. > > I'm fairly disciplined about scouring the archives before I post to the > list... ;-) > > KB > > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charlie & Tupper England" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a battery > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England > > > > > Kyle Boatright wrote: > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > > > > > > >I currently have a Concorde RG-25XC in the RV-6. I've never been > particularly impressed with its cold cranking ability. I imagine the wood > prop and the Prestolite starter contribute to the problem. I am considering > switching batteries to something with more cold cranking amps. > > > > > >Neither Van's site nor Aircraft Spruce show the cranking amps for > Concorde batteries, which makes it hard to look for a battery that offers > more cranking power. Can anyone point me to the appropriate data or (even > better) post comparison data for similar batteries? > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try searching the aeroelectric list. Lots of posts about batteries in > > recent months. > > > > Charlie > > (sorry about the pun) > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:05 PM PST US From: Dave Bristol Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a battery --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol Kyle, Try: http://www.concordebattery.com/products/Com_Specs_List.cfm Dave Kyle Boatright wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > > I currently have a Concorde RG-25XC in the RV-6. I've never been particularly impressed with its cold cranking ability. I imagine the wood prop and the Prestolite starter contribute to the problem. I am considering switching batteries to something with more cold cranking amps. > > Neither Van's site nor Aircraft Spruce show the cranking amps for Concorde batteries, which makes it hard to look for a battery that offers more cranking power. Can anyone point me to the appropriate data or (even better) post comparison data for similar batteries? > > Thanks. > ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:06 PM PST US From: "Konrad Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: superior engine quote --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" > I'll ask again, what's the difference between Van's M1B for $27K vs. the > Superior fuel injected engine for quite a few bucks less other than > certification? Dear Lucky, To the best of my knowledge on Injected Locoing (and clones): Van's IO-360-A1B6 (200hp) is the heavy "Angle" Valve Engine Van's IO-360-M1B (180hp) is the "Parallel" Valve Engine Superior's IO-360 is also a "Parallel" Valve Engine for less money! I don't think Superior kits the Angle Valve Version? (I'd go with the Superior Parallel Valves souped up if it were my $$$!) Hope this helps, but please call Aero-Sport or Ly-Con to get experts advice. Konrad Do not archive ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:27 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: external speaker --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 1/19/2003 2:06:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, bert6@mybluelight.com writes: > I would like to hear from those who have installed > an external speaker, inside the cockpit. What type have > been installed, size, and place of installation, and > where you found it... > > > I have looked for a very small one, but cannot find one > the ones I have seeing, are too big, for what I want, > and they do not have a cover, No need for a cover. I put a Radio Shack Realistic 40-1208 speaker on the subpanel (the panel in front of the instrument panel) of my 6A facing aft (with a full hole cutout). It is out of the way and very easy to hear when needed on the ground. -GV (RV-6A N1GV 586hrs) ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:43 PM PST US From: Jim Oke Subject: Re: RV-List: external speaker --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke Bert; Although not usable for in-flight listening or whenever the engine is running, a cockpit speaker can be a help when copying ATIS or a clearance prior to engine start. I added one to my radio installation and also a jack for a handheld microphone to talk as well without a headset. (This will also be a back up for the day when my headset mic dies, etc.) I checked the speaker impedance needed for my radio and went shopping at the local Radio Shack. About $10 for a 4 inch or so utility speaker. Certainly not the lightest or smallest out there but the price was right. I mounted it on one of the F6107s up near the firewall. Cut a suitable sized hole with a fly cutter and sandwiched a piece of screen material (from the Home Depot screen door dept.) between speaker and the 6107 to keep out flies, errant fingers, or whatever. Pretty quick, adding the wiring with a connector for panel removal took longer. Jim Oke RV-6A - at the hanger but still working on the wiring Winnipeg, MB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Forero" Subject: RV-List: external speaker > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" > > Hi: > > I would like to hear from those who have installed > an external speaker, inside the cokpit. What type have > been installed, size, and place of installation, and > where you found it... > > > I have looked for a very small one, but cannot find one > the ones I have seing, are too big, for what I want, > and they do not have a cover, > > thanks > > Bert > > rv6a > Electrical panel odds and ends... > > Do Not Archive > > > Sign up for Internet Service under $10 dollars a month, at http://isp.BlueLight.com > > ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 11:08:46 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a battery --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Kyle Boatright wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > > I currently have a Concorde RG-25XC in the RV-6. I've never been particularly impressed with its cold cranking ability. I imagine the wood prop and the Prestolite starter contribute to the problem. I am considering switching batteries to something with more cold cranking amps. > > Neither Van's site nor Aircraft Spruce show the cranking amps for Concorde batteries, which makes it hard to look for a battery that offers more cranking power. Can anyone point me to the appropriate data or (even better) post comparison data for similar batteries? > > Thanks. > > Kyle, Put me in the get rid of the Concorde battery column. I decided to use a Odyssey 680 battery this time around and am very happy. I have a light weight starter and it seemed that on cold mornings it just would not crank over well at all with the Concorde XC. This past Saturday it was freezing out and my airplane turned over and started as if it was a warm day. I cannot believe the cranking power it develops. I got it at Sunn Battery for $80.00 delivered to my door. Others have found it a little cheaper. Plus the shipping weight was 13.7 lbs which is about 7 or 8 lbs lighter. Jerry