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1. 05:23 AM - Experimental Engines VS Certificated Engines & Insurance Rates (Steffensen Mark (swr1mas))
2. 05:28 AM - 6A Tow Bar... (KAKlewin@aol.com)
3. 05:53 AM - Re: 6A Tow Bar... (Carl Froehlich)
4. 05:55 AM - Re: Need a battery (Elsa & Henry)
5. 06:09 AM - Re: Need a battery (Rick Jory)
6. 06:58 AM - Re: [ Fred Stucklen ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Charles Rowbotham)
7. 07:08 AM - 'Scallop' Polishing Firewall (Gannon, Terence)
8. 07:25 AM - Re: 'Scallop' Polishing Firewall (Bruce Gray)
9. 07:36 AM - Re: 6A Tow Bar... (Elsa & Henry)
10. 08:04 AM - Re: superior engine quote (Scott Brumbelow)
11. 08:31 AM - Re: superior engine quote (lucky macy)
12. 08:31 AM - Re: 'Scallop' Polishing Firewall (thomas a. sargent)
13. 09:00 AM - Re: Taylor Pneumatic Tools (Bert Penney)
14. 09:09 AM - Re: 'Scallop' Polishing Firewall (Rick Jory)
15. 09:34 AM - Re: 'Scallop' Polishing Firewall (Cy Galley)
16. 09:41 AM - I'd like to fly in an RV somewhere around Seattle, WA (rv7a)
17. 09:51 AM - Re: 6A Tow Bar... (Craig Warner)
18. 09:54 AM - Re: 'Scallop' Polishing Firewall (Craig Warner)
19. 10:31 AM - Re: external speaker (Keith and Jean Williams)
20. 10:49 AM - Re: external speaker (Gary Bataller)
21. 10:50 AM - Engine transducer question (probably dumb) (HCRV6@aol.com)
22. 10:50 AM - Re: Experimental Engines VS Certificated Engines & Insurance Rates (JRWillJR@aol.com)
23. 11:04 AM - Re: Need a battery (Charlie & Tupper England)
24. 11:04 AM - Re: I'd like to fly in an RV somewhere around Seattle, WA (Joshua Siler)
25. 11:19 AM - Re: 'Scallop' Polishing Firewall (Ross Mickey)
26. 11:39 AM - Re: external speaker (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
27. 11:45 AM - Re: Engine transducer question (probably dumb) (Cy Galley)
28. 11:51 AM - Re: I'd like to fly in an RV somewhere around Seattle, WA (Ross Schlotthauer)
29. 12:00 PM - Re: Need a battery (Doug Gray)
30. 12:14 PM - Re: Prop Questions (JRWillJR@aol.com)
31. 12:16 PM - Re: superior engine quote (Scott Brumbelow)
32. 12:25 PM - Re: Experimental Engines VS Certificated Engines & Insurance Rates (John Helms)
33. 12:42 PM - Re: superior engine quote (lucky macy)
34. 12:51 PM - Re: Experimental Engines VS Certificated Engines & Insurance (Jeff Point)
35. 12:57 PM - Re: Prop Questions (RV6 Flyer)
36. 01:15 PM - Re: Prop Questions (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
37. 01:27 PM - Re: Experimental Engines VS Certificated Engines & Insur (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
38. 01:35 PM - Re: Experimental Engines VS Certificated Engines & Insurance Rates (John Helms)
39. 02:03 PM - Re: Prop Questions (Laird Owens)
40. 02:18 PM - Re: Experimental Engines VS Certificated Engines & Insur ance Rates (John Helms)
41. 02:33 PM - Re: Prop Questions (Konrad Werner)
42. 03:01 PM - Re: Experimental Engines VS Certificated Engines & Insurance (Jeff Point)
43. 03:13 PM - Re: do not archive (David Carter)
44. 03:30 PM - Re: Experimental Engines VS Certificated Engines & Insurance Rates (Larry Pardue)
45. 03:57 PM - Re: Taylor Pneumatic Tools (Jim Streit)
46. 03:59 PM - Re: Experimental Engines VS Certificated Engines & Insurance Rates (John Helms)
47. 04:02 PM - Re: Experimental Engines VS Certificated Engines & Insurance Rates (John Helms)
48. 05:07 PM - Re: Experimental Engines VS Certificated Engines & Insurance Rates (Larry Pardue)
49. 05:25 PM - Re: Experimental Engines VS Certificated Engines & Insurance (Jeff Point)
50. 05:26 PM - Re: Experimental Engines VS Certificated Engines & Insurance Rates (John Helms)
51. 05:37 PM - Need a Battery (long, boring, please respond anyway) (Kyle Boatright)
52. 05:52 PM - Re: Experimental Engines VS Certificated Engines & Insurance (Sam Buchanan)
53. 06:09 PM - >Re:Engine transducer question (Probably Dumb ) (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
54. 06:11 PM - >Re; Need a battery - Cy , note (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
55. 07:48 PM - Re: Need a Battery (long, boring, please respond anyway) (Denis Walsh)
56. 08:16 PM - Re: Experimental Engines VS Certificated Engines & Insurance Rates (Stephen Johnson)
57. 08:28 PM - Re: I'd like to fly in an RV somewhere around Seattle, WA (Dr. Leathers)
58. 08:59 PM - Re: Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube" (Randall Henderson)
59. 10:17 PM - upholster ? (WPAerial@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Experimental Engines VS Certificated Engines & Insurance Rates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steffensen Mark (swr1mas)" <swr1mas@ups.com>
Listers,
I have been following this thread for the past several days, & just have to
comment. I have a Lycoming IO-360 A1A 200hp engine in my 8A, it provides
fantastic performance etc. I am very happy with the engine and aircraft.
I am assisting several RV builders here in Atlanta with their 6A & 7A
respectively. We are deeply evaluating the merits of engines for each of
their missions etc.
I initial based on all I have read/learned recommended the Superior XP360
product, if it was available when I made my engine decision I would have
bought the XP360.
However, both of these builders have contacted JT Helms at Vangard Insurance
to inquire as to insurance cost with the Experimental engine VS Certificated
Lycoming engine.
The cost of insurance is significantly higher for a RV with a Experimental
engine as compared to the Certificated Lycoming engine.
I am not saying ill/negative of the Superior Product, as a matter of fact, I
believe the Superior engine is the best overall value today in a RV engine,
but just check with your Insurance provider to ensure that you don't get a
big surprise prior to that first flight.
I understand that Superior is in the process of FAA certification of their
product, which I would imagine negate the insurance differential once
certification is issued.
Mark Steffensen
RV8A 315 hours
Atlanta, GA
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--> RV-List message posted by: KAKlewin@aol.com
OK...quick tow bar questions for ya'll....got some generic stuff from the archives
on tow bars for the 6A...most say standard cessna tow bars work fine...but
cessna tow bar type that I look at online (sportys, etc...) does't look like
they expand enough to go around the nosewheel fairing... I'm keep wanting to buy
one, but am afraid Im going to have to send it back. Where do these tow bars
attach on our nose gear?? Any specific ideas/part numbers/suppliers out there?
Thanks for the help...as always!!
Kurt Klewin, RV6A Finishing
Do Not Archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Carl Froehlich" <carlfro@erols.com>
Kurt,
I made a tow bar from a 10' piece of 1/2" copper water pipe. The double
female fitting is exactly the right size to fit over the tow bar bolts. A
spring between the two tow bar arms provides the tension. I used 45 degree
fittings to make the tow bar forks come together, then 90 degree fittings at
the end to make a handle. It works much better that the Cessna type tow
bars I tried, costs less than $10, and only took a couple of hours to make.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (flying)
Vienna, VA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KAKlewin@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: 6A Tow Bar...
--> RV-List message posted by: KAKlewin@aol.com
OK...quick tow bar questions for ya'll....got some generic stuff from the
archives on tow bars for the 6A...most say standard cessna tow bars work
fine...but cessna tow bar type that I look at online (sportys, etc...)
does't look like they expand enough to go around the nosewheel fairing...
I'm keep wanting to buy one, but am afraid Im going to have to send it back.
Where do these tow bars attach on our nose gear?? Any specific ideas/part
numbers/suppliers out there? Thanks for the help...as always!!
Kurt Klewin, RV6A Finishing
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Need a battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Kyle,
Have you checked the voltage drops in your starter wiring? If not, connect a
voltmeter between your battery negative terminal and the casing of the
starter and measure while cranking. Then repeat the process between the
battery positive terminal and the starter terminal.Add the two
readings --You may be surprised what you find!
Cheers!!----Henry Hore
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| Subject: | Re: Need a battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Jory" <rickjory@msn.com>
On this same subject, any 8A (aft mounted battery) drivers having cranking
problems? I have a 0360-A1A with C/S prop, standard (via Vans/Lyc) SkyTec
starter. I started out (no pun intended) with a Concord . . . then a
Odyssey. It seems if the battery is topped off (e.g. charged before
flight), all works okay, but any slight deterioration and no joy?
Rick Jory RV8A
----- Original Message -----
From: Kyle Boatright <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
Subject: RV-List: Need a battery
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
<kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
>
> I currently have a Concorde RG-25XC in the RV-6. I've never been
particularly impressed with its cold cranking ability. I imagine the wood
prop and the Prestolite starter contribute to the problem. I am considering
switching batteries to something with more cold cranking amps.
>
> Neither Van's site nor Aircraft Spruce show the cranking amps for Concorde
batteries, which makes it hard to look for a battery that offers more
cranking power. Can anyone point me to the appropriate data or (even
better) post comparison data for similar batteries?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [ Fred Stucklen ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Fred,
Looks great !
Chuck Rowbotham
RV-8A
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| Subject: | 'Scallop' Polishing Firewall |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gannon, Terence" <Terence.Gannon@trican.ca>
'Listers -- I'm contemplating finishing my -6 firewall prior to
beginning assembly using a technique I call 'scallop polishing' -- it
might have some other name of which I'm not aware. Y'know, it' the
technique that uses a series of overlapping circles that when complete
results in a pattern roughly resembling a scallop shell. (The most
famous example of this technique is the cowl of the Spirit of St. Louis
-- "aaaaah, so THAT'S what he means!"). I was wondering if anybody has
either done this, or has any experience with this technique in some
other application. My current plan is to program a CNC router to do the
job, and also to use NO other treatment or coating for the firewall once
complete. Any thoughts, comments, ideas that I should aware of before
proceeding? Thank you, in advance, for your assistance.
Terry in Calgary
RV-6 S/N 24414
"Wings, Starting Fuse"
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| Subject: | 'Scallop' Polishing Firewall |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
The process to which you refer is called 'engine turning'. Do a google
search and you will find quite a few web sites that explain the process
and show different methods.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gannon, Terence
Subject: RV-List: 'Scallop' Polishing Firewall
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gannon, Terence"
<Terence.Gannon@trican.ca>
'Listers -- I'm contemplating finishing my -6 firewall prior to
beginning assembly using a technique I call 'scallop polishing' -- it
might have some other name of which I'm not aware. Y'know, it' the
technique that uses a series of overlapping circles that when complete
results in a pattern roughly resembling a scallop shell. (The most
famous example of this technique is the cowl of the Spirit of St. Louis
-- "aaaaah, so THAT'S what he means!"). I was wondering if anybody has
either done this, or has any experience with this technique in some
other application. My current plan is to program a CNC router to do the
job, and also to use NO other treatment or coating for the firewall once
complete. Any thoughts, comments, ideas that I should aware of before
proceeding? Thank you, in advance, for your assistance.
Terry in Calgary
RV-6 S/N 24414
"Wings, Starting Fuse"
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| Subject: | Re: 6A Tow Bar... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Kurt,
Check-out Ken Barto at jbarto@banet.net . He made mine, a nice job, made
out of #4130, light, and fits across the baggage compartment. Plugs into the
hex sockets of the nose-wheel cap-screws. He makes them to fit the original
kit pants or the wider new design ones. The last Van's Accessories Catalog I
have is the 2000 one and he's listed there under "Other Suppliers"
Cheers!!----Henry Hore
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| Subject: | Re: superior engine quote |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Brumbelow <csbrumbelow@fedex.com>
The engines and prices from Superior are "new"...
For what it is worth, I took delivery of my O-360 B1A2 a couple of months ago.
Superior offered me the choice of having Aerosport Power, America's Aircraft
Engines, or Mattituck do the build. I chose America's Aircraft Engines primarily
because I had talked to them at Oshkosh, I had seen them build one up at one of
the forum, and their shipping was going to be cheaper than AeroSport. Mattituck
got ruled out while I was at Oshkosh. Anyway, Superior and America's worked with
me on getting an Ellison Throttle Body installed - Superior kept the carb and
gave me credit, and America's built up and test ran the engine with the Ellison.
The workmanship seems to be outstanding, and everyone I dealt with at Superior
and America's was super. America's was particularly good at keeping me informed
regarding status, etc. Needless to say, I am (so far) please with my decision.
Scott in Memphis
RV-8A
RV8ter@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
>
> The letter does not appear to state. It says built with new millennium
> cylinders in accordance with superior air parts...with all new FAA approved
> parts. Each engine comes with a 3 year warranty or Manufacturer's
> recommended TBO, whichever occurs first.
>
> I guess that would imply rebuild?
>
> In a message dated 1/19/2003 8:26:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> dlndqst@optonline.net writes:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: David Lundquist <dlndqst@optonline.net>
> >
> > Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but are the Superior engines you were quoted
> > factory NEW or ReMan? They sound too low for factory new.
> >
> > Dave Lundquist
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: superior engine quote |
--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Man, at the risk of getting sidetracked, I have a question on your selection
of Ellison Throttle Body. I've read/heard mostly negative opinions about
this system. But I have an open mind. What are the pros and cons of this
vs. standard carb and fuel injection? Have they gone through a redesign
over time? A dad I know who lost his only son in an experiment crash blames
this carb but that was many years ago...
thanks,
lucky
>From: Scott Brumbelow <csbrumbelow@fedex.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: superior engine quote
>Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:03:42 -0600
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Brumbelow <csbrumbelow@fedex.com>
>
>The engines and prices from Superior are "new"...
>
>For what it is worth, I took delivery of my O-360 B1A2 a couple of months
>ago.
>Superior offered me the choice of having Aerosport Power, America's
>Aircraft
>Engines, or Mattituck do the build. I chose America's Aircraft Engines
>primarily
>because I had talked to them at Oshkosh, I had seen them build one up at
>one of
>the forum, and their shipping was going to be cheaper than AeroSport.
>Mattituck
>got ruled out while I was at Oshkosh. Anyway, Superior and America's worked
>with
>me on getting an Ellison Throttle Body installed - Superior kept the carb
>and
>gave me credit, and America's built up and test ran the engine with the
>Ellison.
>
>The workmanship seems to be outstanding, and everyone I dealt with at
>Superior
>and America's was super. America's was particularly good at keeping me
>informed
>regarding status, etc. Needless to say, I am (so far) please with my
>decision.
>
>Scott in Memphis
>RV-8A
>
>
>RV8ter@aol.com wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
> >
> > The letter does not appear to state. It says built with new millennium
> > cylinders in accordance with superior air parts...with all new FAA
>approved
> > parts. Each engine comes with a 3 year warranty or Manufacturer's
> > recommended TBO, whichever occurs first.
> >
> > I guess that would imply rebuild?
> >
> > In a message dated 1/19/2003 8:26:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > dlndqst@optonline.net writes:
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: David Lundquist <dlndqst@optonline.net>
> > >
> > > Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but are the Superior engines you were
>quoted
> > > factory NEW or ReMan? They sound too low for factory new.
> > >
> > > Dave Lundquist
> > >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 'Scallop' Polishing Firewall |
--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.com>
Terry:
I knew a fellow who redid the dash board in his car and did a nice
looking job of engine turning with a large dowel chucked in a drill
press. He fastened some steel wool to the end of the dowel and just
pressed it against the aluminum turning at a low speed. This requires a
lot of practice on scrap first, of course. And some method of
accurately indexing the piece in a regular grid of positions.
--
Tom Sargent
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| Subject: | Taylor Pneumatic Tools |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Penney" <van@entechnos.com>
Thanks for your replies, Bill and Brad. I will place them in the list
of contenders.
Bert
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Irvine [mailto:wgirvine@yahoo.com]
Subject: RV-List: Taylor Pneumatic Tools
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Irvine <wgirvine@yahoo.com>
> As a result of email conversations on this list, I
> was able to find a local tool supplier. However,
> the only pneumatic tool line they carry is Taylor.
> I have no experience with these at all and was
> wondering if anyone else has any recommendations on
> this line.
I got the Taylor 90 and 45 degree air drills from
Avery several years ago. Love 'em, great tools. I
highly recommend them.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: 'Scallop' Polishing Firewall |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Jory" <rickjory@msn.com>
There is a 6A builder that did this "finish look" to the inlet ramp portion
of his engine baffle. I didn't watch him do it, but he told me all he did
was put a Scotchbrite wheel (the "pads", a.k.a. the surfacing conditioning
disc, not the "polishing wheel") into his die grinder and
"polished/scratched" a pattern. Came out pretty good!
Rick Jory RV8A
----- Original Message -----
From: thomas a. sargent <sarg314@earthlink.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: 'Scallop' Polishing Firewall
> --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.com>
>
> Terry:
> I knew a fellow who redid the dash board in his car and did a nice
> looking job of engine turning with a large dowel chucked in a drill
> press. He fastened some steel wool to the end of the dowel and just
> pressed it against the aluminum turning at a low speed. This requires a
> lot of practice on scrap first, of course. And some method of
> accurately indexing the piece in a regular grid of positions.
>
> --
> Tom Sargent
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 'Scallop' Polishing Firewall |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Correct term is "engine polishing" or engine turning
Cy Galley - MVR-AACA www.aaca.org/mvr
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gannon, Terence" <Terence.Gannon@trican.ca>
Subject: RV-List: 'Scallop' Polishing Firewall
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Gannon, Terence"
<Terence.Gannon@trican.ca>
>
> 'Listers -- I'm contemplating finishing my -6 firewall prior to
> beginning assembly using a technique I call 'scallop polishing' -- it
> might have some other name of which I'm not aware. Y'know, it' the
> technique that uses a series of overlapping circles that when complete
> results in a pattern roughly resembling a scallop shell. (The most
> famous example of this technique is the cowl of the Spirit of St. Louis
> -- "aaaaah, so THAT'S what he means!"). I was wondering if anybody has
> either done this, or has any experience with this technique in some
> other application. My current plan is to program a CNC router to do the
> job, and also to use NO other treatment or coating for the firewall once
> complete. Any thoughts, comments, ideas that I should aware of before
> proceeding? Thank you, in advance, for your assistance.
>
> Terry in Calgary
> RV-6 S/N 24414
> "Wings, Starting Fuse"
>
>
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| Subject: | I'd like to fly in an RV somewhere around Seattle, WA |
--> RV-List message posted by: rv7a <rv7a@prosody.org>
I'm considering building an RV-7A.
I fly out of Boeing Field - got my PPL in November.
I saw an RV flying out of 0S9 yesterday - cool.
I like what I see in the RVs.
But I don't want to commit without flying in one.
Can any of you PNW RV flyers give me a ride?
Please let me know.
Thanks, Joe Edwards
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| Subject: | Re: 6A Tow Bar... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Craig Warner" <cwarner@twcny.rr.com>
Ken Barto (315-622-2072) makes a tow bar for the RV6A. Don't know the price
but tell him the guy that painted his airplane sent you.
Best reguards
Craig Warner RV6A still buildin
----- Original Message -----
From: <KAKlewin@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: 6A Tow Bar...
> --> RV-List message posted by: KAKlewin@aol.com
>
> OK...quick tow bar questions for ya'll....got some generic stuff from the
archives on tow bars for the 6A...most say standard cessna tow bars work
fine...but cessna tow bar type that I look at online (sportys, etc...)
does't look like they expand enough to go around the nosewheel fairing...
I'm keep wanting to buy one, but am afraid Im going to have to send it back.
Where do these tow bars attach on our nose gear?? Any specific ideas/part
numbers/suppliers out there? Thanks for the help...as always!!
>
> Kurt Klewin, RV6A Finishing
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 'Scallop' Polishing Firewall |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Craig Warner" <cwarner@twcny.rr.com>
In the automotive field this process is called "engine turning". You can do
it with a wooden dowel and valve lapping compound.
Craig Warner RV6A still building
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gannon, Terence" <Terence.Gannon@trican.ca>
Subject: RV-List: 'Scallop' Polishing Firewall
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Gannon, Terence"
<Terence.Gannon@trican.ca>
>
> 'Listers -- I'm contemplating finishing my -6 firewall prior to
> beginning assembly using a technique I call 'scallop polishing' -- it
> might have some other name of which I'm not aware. Y'know, it' the
> technique that uses a series of overlapping circles that when complete
> results in a pattern roughly resembling a scallop shell. (The most
> famous example of this technique is the cowl of the Spirit of St. Louis
> -- "aaaaah, so THAT'S what he means!"). I was wondering if anybody has
> either done this, or has any experience with this technique in some
> other application. My current plan is to program a CNC router to do the
> job, and also to use NO other treatment or coating for the firewall once
> complete. Any thoughts, comments, ideas that I should aware of before
> proceeding? Thank you, in advance, for your assistance.
>
> Terry in Calgary
> RV-6 S/N 24414
> "Wings, Starting Fuse"
>
>
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| Subject: | external speaker |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Keith and Jean Williams" <kandjwilliams@earthlink.net>
Bert,
I did just about as Jim Oke in the post below - mine is back under the panel
out of sight with no screen. Wired through audio panel (I'm using two
Nav/Coms), extra mike jack, etc.
I have never tried to use it in flight. Tried it a couple of times on the
ground just to see that it works but other than that have never used it in
3+ years of flying. I carry a handheld which I use for "before engine
start" ATIS/AWOS and (rarely) clearances.
Keith Williams
RV6 - Moline IL
Bert;
Although not usable for in-flight listening or whenever the engine is
running, a cockpit speaker can be a help when copying ATIS or a clearance
prior to engine start. I added one to my radio installation and also a jack
for a handheld microphone to talk as well without a headset. (This will also
be a back up for the day when my headset mic dies, etc.)
I checked the speaker impedance needed for my radio and went shopping at the
local Radio Shack. About $10 for a 4 inch or so utility speaker. Certainly
not the lightest or smallest out there but the price was right. I mounted it
on one of the F6107s up near the firewall. Cut a suitable sized hole with a
fly cutter and sandwiched a piece of screen material (from the Home Depot
screen door dept.) between speaker and the 6107 to keep out flies, errant
fingers, or whatever. Pretty quick, adding the wiring with a connector for
panel removal took longer.
Jim Oke
RV-6A - at the hanger but still working on the wiring
Winnipeg, MB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
Subject: RV-List: external speaker
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
>
> Hi:
>
> I would like to hear from those who have installed
> an external speaker, inside the cokpit. What type have
> been installed, size, and place of installation, and
> where you found it...
>
>
> I have looked for a very small one, but cannot find one
> the ones I have seing, are too big, for what I want,
> and they do not have a cover,
>
> thanks
>
> Bert
>
> rv6a
> Electrical panel odds and ends...
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> Sign up for Internet Service under $10 dollars a month, at
http://isp.BlueLight.com
>
>
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| Subject: | external speaker |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gary Bataller" <gary_bataller@hotmail.com>
I used an external speaker on my RV6A (in the early 90's). I found that the
speaker magnet affected the magnetic compass to a very large degree, so be
careful where you mount it. I seem to remember that the compass was
affected even with the speaker mounted in the seat back. I too decided to
use a handheld and got rid of the speaker.
gary b
RV7 SB
>From: "Keith and Jean Williams" <kandjwilliams@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: external speaker
>Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:33:52 -0600
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Keith and Jean Williams"
><kandjwilliams@earthlink.net>
>
>Bert,
>
>I did just about as Jim Oke in the post below - mine is back under the
>panel
>out of sight with no screen. Wired through audio panel (I'm using two
>Nav/Coms), extra mike jack, etc.
>
>I have never tried to use it in flight. Tried it a couple of times on the
>ground just to see that it works but other than that have never used it in
>3+ years of flying. I carry a handheld which I use for "before engine
>start" ATIS/AWOS and (rarely) clearances.
>
>Keith Williams
>RV6 - Moline IL
>
>
>Bert;
>
>Although not usable for in-flight listening or whenever the engine is
>running, a cockpit speaker can be a help when copying ATIS or a clearance
>prior to engine start. I added one to my radio installation and also a jack
>for a handheld microphone to talk as well without a headset. (This will
>also
>be a back up for the day when my headset mic dies, etc.)
>
>I checked the speaker impedance needed for my radio and went shopping at
>the
>local Radio Shack. About $10 for a 4 inch or so utility speaker. Certainly
>not the lightest or smallest out there but the price was right. I mounted
>it
>on one of the F6107s up near the firewall. Cut a suitable sized hole with a
>fly cutter and sandwiched a piece of screen material (from the Home Depot
>screen door dept.) between speaker and the 6107 to keep out flies, errant
>fingers, or whatever. Pretty quick, adding the wiring with a connector for
>panel removal took longer.
>
>Jim Oke
>RV-6A - at the hanger but still working on the wiring
>Winnipeg, MB
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: external speaker
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
> >
> > Hi:
> >
> > I would like to hear from those who have installed
> > an external speaker, inside the cokpit. What type have
> > been installed, size, and place of installation, and
> > where you found it...
> >
> >
> > I have looked for a very small one, but cannot find one
> > the ones I have seing, are too big, for what I want,
> > and they do not have a cover,
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Bert
> >
> > rv6a
> > Electrical panel odds and ends...
> >
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> >
> > Sign up for Internet Service under $10 dollars a month, at
>http://isp.BlueLight.com
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Engine transducer question (probably dumb) |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
Is it acceptable to mount an oil pressure switch with the oil inlet end
pointing up at a 45 degree angle?
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, starting firewall forward
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| Subject: | Re: Experimental Engines VS Certificated Engines & Insurance |
Rates
--> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com
Mark, I spoke to several insurers including Falcon who I have my
"construction" insurance through. I was told that they will insure the XP-360
engine as if it were a Lycoming. It is an "aviation" type engine is the
wording they used. I was also told a Subaru is not an "aviation" type engine.
The insured cost was the same. If the company is not familiar with these
engines they may well quote a higher price just like they do with a Subaru.
The fellow I spoke with knew exactly what I was talking about and said they
had several insured. Unless something has changed since I spoke to them a
month or so ago I am expecting the insurance costs to be the same. Really,
there is nothing experimental about an engine built from all PMA parts. JR
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| Subject: | Re: Need a battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
Kyle Boatright wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
>
>I spent 30 or more minutes on the Aeroelectric list before I posted my
>question. Lots of information there, but I didn't find anything that
>directly addressed my question.
>
>I'm fairly disciplined about scouring the archives before I post to the
>list... ;-)
>
>KB
>
>do not archive
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Charlie & Tupper England" <cengland@netdoor.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Need a battery
>
snipped
Sorry about that; but some RV listers don't read the Aero list.
Try
http://206.171.106.212/Concorde/Drawing/CommercialSpecs/ValveRegulated/RG-25xc.pdf
and
http://www.concordebattery.com/products/Com_Specs_List.cfm
Charlie
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| Subject: | I'd like to fly in an RV somewhere around Seattle, WA |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Joshua Siler" <joshs@ninatek.com>
If you can't find a ride, just jump down to Van's in Portland. They give
first rides in the factory demonstrators there, and you can check out
the factory at the same time.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv7a
Subject: RV-List: I'd like to fly in an RV somewhere around Seattle, WA
--> RV-List message posted by: rv7a <rv7a@prosody.org>
I'm considering building an RV-7A.
I fly out of Boeing Field - got my PPL in November.
I saw an RV flying out of 0S9 yesterday - cool.
I like what I see in the RVs.
But I don't want to commit without flying in one.
Can any of you PNW RV flyers give me a ride?
Please let me know.
Thanks, Joe Edwards
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| Subject: | Re: 'Scallop' Polishing Firewall |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Mickey" <rmickey@ix.netcom.com>
I did this to my firewall. Here is how I did it.
The tool I used to make the "scallops" was a 2" diameter scotchbrite wheel
chucked in a standard drill.
I made a "jig" out of a piece of wood lathe that was slightly longer than
the firewall is wide.
I measured off 2 inch marks on the lathe and made a grove the size of the
mandrel that holds the scothbrite wheel along the edge of the lathe at the
2" intervals.
I clamped the jig 1 inch below the top of the firewall and scuffed circles
across the firewall using the groves.
I moved the jig down 1 inch and over 1 inch and repeated the scuffing. This
gives the fish scale look.
Continue to the end.
This took more time than I had originally thought. Stainless steel is
tough.
I am reciting this from my memory of what I did 8 years ago so if the
details aren't quite right at least you have the general idea.
Ross Mickey
RV6A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gannon, Terence" <Terence.Gannon@trican.ca>
Subject: RV-List: 'Scallop' Polishing Firewall
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Gannon, Terence"
<Terence.Gannon@trican.ca>
>
> 'Listers -- I'm contemplating finishing my -6 firewall prior to
> beginning assembly using a technique I call 'scallop polishing' -- it
> might have some other name of which I'm not aware. Y'know, it' the
> technique that uses a series of overlapping circles that when complete
> results in a pattern roughly resembling a scallop shell. (The most
> famous example of this technique is the cowl of the Spirit of St. Louis
> -- "aaaaah, so THAT'S what he means!"). I was wondering if anybody has
> either done this, or has any experience with this technique in some
> other application. My current plan is to program a CNC router to do the
> job, and also to use NO other treatment or coating for the firewall once
> complete. Any thoughts, comments, ideas that I should aware of before
> proceeding? Thank you, in advance, for your assistance.
>
> Terry in Calgary
> RV-6 S/N 24414
> "Wings, Starting Fuse"
>
>
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| Subject: | external speaker |
--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
I have my Rat Shack speaker mounted to the upper Right baggage wall of my
6A.
I bolted it directly to the wall, and drilled holes in the wall to let the
sound out, much like a perforated dashboard.
I can hear mine in flight no problem, although I rarely use it for that.
Only time in flight I use it is when my ears hurt on a long trip, I take my
headsets off for a while and push the speaker button on the panel so I don't
miss anything while IFR.
I use it when I am out of the plane and want to hear whats going on, like at
Osh, SnF, or when Im waiting for my buddies to arrive at my airport and I
want to hear them come in. Nothing better than sitting in the folding chairs
at SnF listening to all the airshow stuff through that nice speaker, instead
in the portable. Plus others can hear also.
Wired to my audiopanel.
http://www.mstewart.net/michael/rv/
Go to Finishing, Interior, last picture, you can see it mounted on the
baggage wall.
Mike Stewart
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith and Jean Williams [mailto:kandjwilliams@earthlink.net]
Subject: RE: RV-List: external speaker
--> RV-List message posted by: "Keith and Jean Williams"
<kandjwilliams@earthlink.net>
Bert,
I did just about as Jim Oke in the post below - mine is back under the panel
out of sight with no screen. Wired through audio panel (I'm using two
Nav/Coms), extra mike jack, etc.
I have never tried to use it in flight. Tried it a couple of times on the
ground just to see that it works but other than that have never used it in
3+ years of flying. I carry a handheld which I use for "before engine
start" ATIS/AWOS and (rarely) clearances.
Keith Williams
RV6 - Moline IL
Bert;
Although not usable for in-flight listening or whenever the engine is
running, a cockpit speaker can be a help when copying ATIS or a clearance
prior to engine start. I added one to my radio installation and also a jack
for a handheld microphone to talk as well without a headset. (This will also
be a back up for the day when my headset mic dies, etc.)
I checked the speaker impedance needed for my radio and went shopping at the
local Radio Shack. About $10 for a 4 inch or so utility speaker. Certainly
not the lightest or smallest out there but the price was right. I mounted it
on one of the F6107s up near the firewall. Cut a suitable sized hole with a
fly cutter and sandwiched a piece of screen material (from the Home Depot
screen door dept.) between speaker and the 6107 to keep out flies, errant
fingers, or whatever. Pretty quick, adding the wiring with a connector for
panel removal took longer.
Jim Oke
RV-6A - at the hanger but still working on the wiring
Winnipeg, MB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
Subject: RV-List: external speaker
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
>
> Hi:
>
> I would like to hear from those who have installed
> an external speaker, inside the cokpit. What type have
> been installed, size, and place of installation, and
> where you found it...
>
>
> I have looked for a very small one, but cannot find one
> the ones I have seing, are too big, for what I want,
> and they do not have a cover,
>
> thanks
>
> Bert
>
> rv6a
> Electrical panel odds and ends...
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> Sign up for Internet Service under $10 dollars a month, at
http://isp.BlueLight.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine transducer question (probably dumb) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Yes, you can point it anywhere you want and it will give exactly the same
readings. Don't forget a restrictor. I think this is a very important safety
device.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: <HCRV6@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Engine transducer question (probably dumb)
> --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
>
> Is it acceptable to mount an oil pressure switch with the oil inlet end
> pointing up at a 45 degree angle?
>
> Harry Crosby
> Pleasanton, California
> RV-6, starting firewall forward
>
>
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| Subject: | I'd like to fly in an RV somewhere around Seattle, WA |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
Josh,
I hate to break it to you, but you are screwed either
way. Your going to build one so just send the check
and get that tail coming. Your workmanship will be
better if you don't go for the ride. You will be more
patient and do a better job of riveting. If you take
the ride you will be all excited and tackle that tail
with way too much exuberance. I am speaking from
experience. I was happy with motorcycles,
snowmobiles, hunting and fishing until this dreadful
activity began running my life. Now I have to duck
out of work at lunch to get my fix at Home Depot and
Harbor Freight just to tide me over until I can get
home and back to ignoring my wife in the solitude of
the garage. From what I can tell there is no relief
in sight. I know a guy that has built four of these
F*&%ing things. Just get out the check book and start
bleeding.
P.S. I wouldn't have it any other way!
Good luck
Ross Schlotthauer
RV7 Fuse
Finish kit on order with 17 week lead time!
--- Joshua Siler <joshs@ninatek.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Joshua Siler"
> <joshs@ninatek.com>
>
> If you can't find a ride, just jump down to Van's in
> Portland. They give
> first rides in the factory demonstrators there, and
> you can check out
> the factory at the same time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of rv7a
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: I'd like to fly in an RV somewhere
> around Seattle, WA
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: rv7a
> <rv7a@prosody.org>
>
>
> I'm considering building an RV-7A.
> I fly out of Boeing Field - got my PPL in November.
>
> I saw an RV flying out of 0S9 yesterday - cool.
> I like what I see in the RVs.
> But I don't want to commit without flying in one.
>
> Can any of you PNW RV flyers give me a ride?
>
> Please let me know.
>
> Thanks, Joe Edwards
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need a battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
> Have you checked the voltage drops in your starter wiring? If not, connect a
> voltmeter between your battery negative terminal and the casing of the
> starter and measure while cranking.
How about measuring voltage across the starter itself, ie the voltage
between the starter case (ground at the starter) and the starter
terminal that way you will also include any drop in the ground return path.
Rwgarding the Concorde specs, perhaps I missed this but is the internal
resistance given for these batteries?
Doug Gray
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