Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:18 AM - Re: Wing tip strobes. (Wayne R. Couture)
2. 01:20 AM - Re: Engine's and insurance clarification (JRWillJR@aol.com)
3. 04:53 AM - Steering Link failure (Terry Jantzi)
4. 04:58 AM - Re: Grass Strip Construction (BrownScottA@aol.com)
5. 05:08 AM - Re: Wing tip strobes. RV9a (barry pote)
6. 05:26 AM - Was exp eng, now dataplate (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
7. 05:38 AM - Heated seats (cecilth@juno.com)
8. 06:27 AM - Re: Vertical Stab (RV_8 Pilot)
9. 06:32 AM - Re: Vertical Stab Re: lightening holes (Rick Galati)
10. 06:44 AM - Re: Engine's and insurance clarification (John Helms)
11. 07:24 AM - Re: Heated seats (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
12. 07:33 AM - gas strut prop rod (Frazier, Vincent A)
13. 07:40 AM - >Re:Wingtip Strobes (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
14. 07:43 AM - Insurance (Ken Brooks)
15. 07:46 AM - Re: Grass Strip Construction (Ross Schlotthauer)
16. 07:46 AM - Re: Grass Strip Construction (Ross Schlotthauer)
17. 08:14 AM - Re: Steering Link failure (Van Artsdalen, Scott)
18. 09:03 AM - Re: Engine's and insurance clarification (Van Artsdalen, Scott)
19. 09:22 AM - Re: Engine's and insurance clarification (Bruce Gray)
20. 09:38 AM - Re: Re: Vertical Stab Re: lightening holes (Elsa & Henry)
21. 09:39 AM - Re: Steering Link failure (Laird Owens)
22. 10:30 AM - Another lesson learned-too late as always. (HCRV6@aol.com)
23. 11:03 AM - Re: Engine's and insurance clarification (Laird Owens)
24. 11:07 AM - Engine Certification (John)
25. 11:12 AM - VanGuard Program/engines (John Helms)
26. 11:17 AM - AerosportPower Engine (JRWillJR@aol.com)
27. 12:05 PM - Re: Engine Certification (Cy Galley)
28. 12:05 PM - Re: AerosportPower Engine (Konrad Werner)
29. 12:08 PM - Re: gas springs for tip-up canopy (Mark Phillips)
30. 12:34 PM - Re: Engine Certification (JRWillJR@aol.com)
31. 01:07 PM - Re: Engine Certification (Rick Jory)
32. 01:38 PM - Re: Engine Certification (Bill Dube)
33. 01:58 PM - Grass Strip List, anyone??? (SportAV8R@aol.com)
34. 02:01 PM - Re: Engine Certification (JRWillJR@aol.com)
35. 02:56 PM - Fw: Grass Strip List, anyone??? (C. Rabaut)
36. 02:56 PM - Re: Engine transducer question (probably dumb) (JDaniel343@aol.com)
37. 03:13 PM - Re: Fw: Grass Strip List, anyone??? (HalBenjamin@aol.com)
38. 03:19 PM - Re: Engine Certification (Jim Sears)
39. 03:24 PM - Open Letter to JT Helms (Jim Nolan)
40. 03:39 PM - A&P while building (was: Engine Certification) (Bill Dube)
41. 03:45 PM - What are Pilots coming to ? (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
42. 03:47 PM - Re: rv-list: upholster (Crosley, Rich)
43. 04:05 PM - Firewall forward kit? (BillRVSIX@aol.com)
44. 04:13 PM - Re: Open Letter to JT Helms (John Helms)
45. 04:21 PM - Re: Fw: Grass Strip List, anyone??? (Chris)
46. 04:23 PM - Re: Re: rv-list: upholster (Ed_Cole@maximhq.com)
47. 04:32 PM - Re: RV8 upholster (Lenleg@aol.com)
48. 04:35 PM - Keeping the Plane Warm (JDaniel343@aol.com)
49. 04:57 PM - Re: Fw: Grass Strip List, anyone??? (Terry Watson)
50. 05:06 PM - Re: Keeping the Plane Warm (Alex Peterson)
51. 05:09 PM - Re: Keeping the Plane Warm (Kyle Boatright)
52. 05:12 PM - Re: Keeping the Plane Warm (RGray67968@aol.com)
53. 06:00 PM - Sad News (Larry Pardue)
54. 06:34 PM - Re: A&P while building (was: Engine Certification) (JRWillJR@aol.com)
55. 06:58 PM - Re: Grass Strip Construction (C J Heitman)
56. 07:04 PM - Re: Grass Strip Construction (Charlie & Tupper England)
57. 07:31 PM - Re: Was exp eng, now dataplate (Charlie & Tupper England)
58. 07:54 PM - Dynon EFIS-D10 (N67BT@aol.com)
59. 08:03 PM - Re: Steering Link failure (Meketa)
60. 08:13 PM - Re: Did Bill Shook's blackhole get Rick Caldwell (Boyd C. Braem)
61. 08:25 PM - FAA-PMA (Wheeler North)
62. 08:30 PM - Re: Sad News (Jeff Orear)
63. 08:30 PM - Re: Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube" (Randall Henderson)
64. 08:40 PM - Re: Keeping the Plane Warm (Randall Henderson)
65. 09:22 PM - Re: Keeping the Plane Warm (JDaniel343@aol.com)
66. 09:27 PM - Airflow Performance bypass valve cabling question (Don Mack)
67. 09:28 PM - Re: RV8 upholster (Mark Phillips)
68. 09:33 PM - Re: Fw: Grass Strip List, anyone??? (Mark Phillips)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing tip strobes. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
Those are the lights I'm useing and the installation is made simple with
Van's mounting bracket. Just bond the bracket to the end of the tip,
superfill, sand and your done!
Wayne
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob W M Shipley" <Rob@RobsGlass.com>
<aeroelectric-list-digest@matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: Wing tip strobes.
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" <Rob@RobsGlass.com>
>
> I'm still debating the best way of arranging my lighting. Has anyone
tried the combination postion/strobe/tail lights, (Whelen A600PG/PR)? This
seems the simplest way to provide the lighting but I'm not quite convinced
as to the ease of mounting these to an RV wing tip to give the necessary
coverage and also wonder about the vulnerability issues.
> Your thoughts please gentlemen.
> Fly safe
> Rob
> Rob W M Shipley
> RV9A N919RV Fuselage.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine's and insurance clarification |
--> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com
In a message dated 1/21/2003 11:06:19 PM Central Standard Time,
kempthornes@earthlink.net writes:
> How can Lycoming be responsible for something made by Superior?
Easy, the parts are PMA, therefore entirely legal to use. If a Superior
cylinder failed I am sure the lawyers would include them in the lawsuit.
This thread has become laughable, we have several people who have their
Aerosport, Mattatuck, XP360 engines insured, we got another guy calling all
the underwriters telling them we have uncertified engines in our airplanes.
As to my explaining someday to a lawyer how Vans is the manufacture and I am
just the poor little helpless, ignorant, in need of protection, baffoon who
was so taken advantage of by Vans--no---I don't think so.
This whole thread is just another reason why we need tort reform and
insurance scam reform.
Meanwhile, I am confident insurance will be available for a "clone" aviation
type engine on a RV. I guess I should tell them also about the modifications
to the basic airframe I plan also. This thread has become unusable so I am
bailing out. Do Not Archive. JR
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| Subject: | Steering Link failure |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Jantzi" <terry@iwantarocket.com>
Listers,
It's come to my attention that the three weld failures have occurred with
the links that I build and sell to RV builders/flyers. It looks like a small
batch from early 2002 had sub-standard welds. I'll be contacting all persons
who purchased a steering link in January and February. This has prompted me
to redesign a weld free link that is slightly more adjustable. If you've
purchased a link during the time period, I'll happily upgrade your link.
Please contact me off list.
Terry Jantzi
http://www.iwantarocket.com
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| Subject: | Re: Grass Strip Construction |
--> RV-List message posted by: BrownScottA@aol.com
In a message dated 1/21/2003 8:13:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, cjh@execpc.com
writes:
> http://my.execpc.com/~cjh/airstrip.html
>
>
How much money did the whole ordeal cost you?
Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Wing tip strobes. RV9a |
--> RV-List message posted by: barry pote <barrypote@comcast.net>
Rob, I think the concenus is...the way the lenses are shaped, you do not
get coverage that is required, unless you put a white one on the
tail,also.
Barry Pote RV9a
Rob W M Shipley wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rob W
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| Subject: | Was exp eng, now dataplate |
--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Charlie
Why is FSDO having you remove the dataplate before inspection?
Mike Stewart
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie & Tupper England [mailto:cengland@netdoor.com]
Subject: Re: RV-List: Experimental Engines VS Certificated Engines &
Insurance Rates
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England
<cengland@netdoor.com>
Sam Buchanan wrote:
>John, I appreciate your input on this subject. I suspect the
>experimental community has moved much faster and farther toward
>custom-built "Lycoming" engines than you and the insurance industry
>realize. If the industry is now qualifying just what is and what isn't
>an insurable Lycoming engine.........we need to see a WRITTEN set of
>standards!
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Sam Buchanan
>
>
>
Sam,
One question you didn't ask was how the claim will be handled on
homebuilt planes inspected by FSDO's like the one next door to you here
in Mississippi. Even brand spanking new Lycs must have their data plates
removed before the FSDO will issue your 'flying papers'.
Charlie
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--> RV-List message posted by: cecilth@juno.com
Here you go. For $30 you can keep your butt warm while you fly. 12 volt
item uses a 5 amp fuse.
http://www.smarthome.com/9290.html
Cecil
RV 6A
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Stab |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>What are lightening holes for and are they a good idea. I know
>they are optional, but is the few ounces that you save really going to
>matter at all?
Daniel -
Glad you're getting started on an RV. You will not find a better designed,
better value airplane kit with this level of handling and performance.
I'd cut the lightening holes in all instances where Van recommends or allows
them (as shown on the drawings).
Someone else already mentioned it and I know your question wasn't really
about this issue, but I'll repeat it. Please don't take this personally -
it's just advice based on my own mistakes. I highly recommend explicitly
following the instructions (sequence and content) and matching the drawings.
I varied in several instances and paid the price.
The only exceptions would be in cases like design of oil access door,
non-structural interior items, baggage compartment mods, bending the stick,
placement of strobe power supply, cd players, lighting, etc. Some of these
aren't specified by Van anyway. This list is a good place to get ideas for
these items.
Van has done a superb job with these kits and unless you have some serious
airplane design and fabrication experience, you'll probably be moving
backward varying from the plans.
Good luck.
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Stab Re: lightening holes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick07x@earthlink.net>
Dan,
I know it can seem a bit difficult to grasp how much weight is saved by
making a lightening hole here and a lightening hole there. Aside from the
several dozens of lightening holes already provided to the builder, you do have
the option of making many more during the course of construction. I have
saved each and every one of the scrap donuts generated with my fly cutter and
joined most of them together with safety wire to form a crude sort of
bracelet. I can assure you this butt ugly piece of faux
jewelry weighs several pounds and serves as an offering to the gods of
gravity by hanging from a rusty nail. The end result is that tasteless
adornment weighing down a wall stud in my garage means an equal amount of
optional payload I can take flying with me by leaving the jewelry at
home.
Rick Galati
--- Rick Galati
--- rick07x@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Engine's and insurance clarification |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
They have a reputation in the aviation community as a company that denies a
lot of claims.
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Bristol" <bj034@lafn.org>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine's and insurance clarification
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
John,
I'm not aware of any sort of "reputation" that AVEMCO has - could you please
enlighten us?
Dave
John Helms wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
>
> I think you all may have experimented yourselves into a corner. AVEMCO
will write coverage for just about anything, but the other companies won't.
And I think a lot of you are aware of their reputation.
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
It fits standard cars, as well as SUVs and RVs
AND RV's this has got to be the one!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of cecilth@juno.com
Subject: RV-List: Heated seats
--> RV-List message posted by: cecilth@juno.com
Here you go. For $30 you can keep your butt warm while you fly. 12 volt
item uses a 5 amp fuse.
http://www.smarthome.com/9290.html
Cecil
RV 6A
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| Subject: | gas strut prop rod |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
All you guys who use or will use gas struts:
You can get a prop rod at most any autoparts place around here. They are designed
to hold your hatchback up when you're too cheap or lazy to replace the gas
strut. My RV-6 buddy has one on his as a safety against wind blowing the canopy
shut. Works great as long as you remember to unlock it prior to pulling the
canopy down.
I can't believe Van's doesn't sell these.
Vince in Indiana
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| Subject: | Re: >Re:Wingtip Strobes |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
The 3-light unit on the wingtip is the best way to go . No wire through the
rudder hinge and one set of wires in each wing . If they are mounted on a
verticle pad ( Per Van's bracket/build your own) then they meet the
visibility requirements ( A/C Spruce catalog illustration).
I particularily like the TWO tail light feature . Granted , there aren't many
planes passing an RV , but the two lights are more visible and one can see if
you roll into a turn. I mounted power supplies in each wingtip on our first
RV-4 , but didn't find affordable individual supplies this time.
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" <kenbrooks@charter.net>
snip < I am sure we have opened a can of very large worms yesterday that
will take hours to close.
JT >
Hey, JT -- is that a large can of worms or a can of very large worms??
;-) By the way, thanks for adding your expertise to this insurance
discourse. We builders are well served by this kind of information upon
which we can then make our best decision. My renewal will be sent
shortly. . . if I can just find that form!
Do not Archive
Ken Brooks
Roscoe, IL
Searching for a future home (aka hangar) for "So Nice", my mistress
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| Subject: | Grass Strip Construction |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
Mike,
I can't even imagine how many hours you would fly in a
year if you lived on a grass strip in GA. Thanks
again for the ride last summer, I still tell people
about it weekly.
Ross Schlotthauer
--- mstewart@qa.butler.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by:
> mstewart@qa.butler.com
>
> ok, so far the reply are off list.
> How come fellas?
> I am very interested in the issues surround a grass
> strip.
> I realize its probably a book. But just the bullets
> of issues would be an
> interesting start.
> I am fishing in this area also.
> Mike Stewart
> Flying, but wanting to live with my plane cause I
> fly too much.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SportAV8R@aol.com [mailto:SportAV8R@aol.com]
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Grass Strip Construction
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>
> contact me off list. been there, still doing that!
>
> -Bill Boyd
> Hop-Along Airstrip
> 12VA
>
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| Subject: | Grass Strip Construction |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
Mike,
I can't even imagine how many hours you would fly in a
year if you lived on a grass strip in GA. Thanks
again for the ride last summer, I still tell people
about it weekly.
Ross Schlotthauer
Do not archive
--- mstewart@qa.butler.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by:
> mstewart@qa.butler.com
>
> ok, so far the reply are off list.
> How come fellas?
> I am very interested in the issues surround a grass
> strip.
> I realize its probably a book. But just the bullets
> of issues would be an
> interesting start.
> I am fishing in this area also.
> Mike Stewart
> Flying, but wanting to live with my plane cause I
> fly too much.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SportAV8R@aol.com [mailto:SportAV8R@aol.com]
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Grass Strip Construction
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>
> contact me off list. been there, still doing that!
>
> -Bill Boyd
> Hop-Along Airstrip
> 12VA
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| Subject: | Steering Link failure |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts@unionsafe.com>
This is damn good customer service folks. A friend of mine had one of the
links that failed. Terry has noted the problem and is taking immediate
steps to correct the situation. I wish the entire aviation industry worked
this way. Good customer service should be applauded.
Please note that I do not use Terry's product. I like big springs hanging
out in the breeze. :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Jantzi [mailto:terry@iwantarocket.com]
Subject: RV-List: Steering Link failure
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Jantzi" <terry@iwantarocket.com>
Listers,
It's come to my attention that the three weld failures have occurred with
the links that I build and sell to RV builders/flyers. It looks like a small
batch from early 2002 had sub-standard welds. I'll be contacting all persons
who purchased a steering link in January and February. This has prompted me
to redesign a weld free link that is slightly more adjustable. If you've
purchased a link during the time period, I'll happily upgrade your link.
Please contact me off list.
Terry Jantzi
http://www.iwantarocket.com
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| Subject: | Engine's and insurance clarification |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts@unionsafe.com>
One datapoint from one ordinary guy. I filed a claim with Avemco a couple
of years ago when I flew my Champ into some trees. They were out the next
day, took some pictures, told me I could have the repairs done anywhere I
wanted, and to just submit the bill to them. Now, I understand it was only
a Champ and the repairs were relatively inexpensive, especially by insurance
industry standards: about $15,000. But they were friendly, courteous,
helpful, and prompt. That's how my situation played out. This was under
their Direct Approach contract. They may have been more stubborn if I had
been flying a Bonanza and someone had died. But my experience was a very
easy one. Being without the plane and the ribbing I took were not as easy.
:-)
-----Original Message-----
From: John Helms [mailto:jhelms@i1.net]
Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine's and insurance clarification
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
They have a reputation in the aviation community as a company that denies a
lot of claims.
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Bristol" <bj034@lafn.org>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine's and insurance clarification
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
John,
I'm not aware of any sort of "reputation" that AVEMCO has - could you please
enlighten us?
Dave
John Helms wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
>
> I think you all may have experimented yourselves into a corner. AVEMCO
will write coverage for just about anything, but the other companies won't.
And I think a lot of you are aware of their reputation.
>
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| Subject: | Engine's and insurance clarification |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
And I personally know of a situation where a Glasair pilot had an engine
failure after takeoff and put it down in a nearby field. He managed to
hit the only tree stump within 500 feet doing substantial damage to his
airplane but not his body.
Avemco denied the claim because he was a little tardy on his BFR. He's
going to take a 60k hit.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Van Artsdalen,
Scott
Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine's and insurance clarification
--> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott"
<svanarts@unionsafe.com>
One datapoint from one ordinary guy. I filed a claim with Avemco a
couple
of years ago when I flew my Champ into some trees. They were out the
next
day, took some pictures, told me I could have the repairs done anywhere
I
wanted, and to just submit the bill to them. Now, I understand it was
only
a Champ and the repairs were relatively inexpensive, especially by
insurance
industry standards: about $15,000. But they were friendly, courteous,
helpful, and prompt. That's how my situation played out. This was
under
their Direct Approach contract. They may have been more stubborn if I
had
been flying a Bonanza and someone had died. But my experience was a
very
easy one. Being without the plane and the ribbing I took were not as
easy.
:-)
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Stab Re: lightening holes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Seeing Rick's, post on this subject, reminded me that I put all the
lightening hole cut-out discs in a shopping bag 7+ years ago, I still had it
so I weighed it: 3 Lbs 12 Oz! I counted the contents: 210 discs--That's a
lot of fly-cutting! They range in diameters from 1 3/8" to the largest, 6",
in the F610 bulkhead. I built my own main spars, so all the discs cut-outs
of their webs are included Does not include about a dozen small thick ones
that were turned to smaller diameters to make washers / spacers.
Cheers!!-----Henry Hore
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| Subject: | Steering Link failure |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts@unionsafe.com>
>
>snip
>
>Please note that I do not use Terry's product. I like big springs hanging
>out in the breeze. :-)
Scott,
I do use Terry's steering link and love it. Steering feel is much
firmer. Even my father noticed the difference (and he was against
changing it) and liked it. Looks so much nicer as well.
Like Terry says "take off the old springs and put them back on the
screen door where they belong".
BTW, I agree with your statement about customer service. I received
my package with some parts missing (envelope was torn open during
shipping). He replaced them immediately.
Very good product and service, IMO. (And no, I'm not associated with
Terry's business, just a satified customer).
Laird RV-6 680hrs
SoCal
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Terry Jantzi [mailto:terry@iwantarocket.com]
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Steering Link failure
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Jantzi" <terry@iwantarocket.com>
>
>Listers,
>
>It's come to my attention that the three weld failures have occurred with
>the links that I build and sell to RV builders/flyers. It looks like a small
>batch from early 2002 had sub-standard welds. I'll be contacting all persons
>who purchased a steering link in January and February. This has prompted me
>to redesign a weld free link that is slightly more adjustable. If you've
>purchased a link during the time period, I'll happily upgrade your link.
>Please contact me off list.
>
>Terry Jantzi
>
>http://www.iwantarocket.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Another lesson learned-too late as always. |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
For those who have not dimpled the forward top skin at the firewall, DON'T
until after you have match drilled the hinges or whatever you will use to
attach the top cowling. There is probably a warning somewhere in the plans
or manual about this but I missed it, and was not thinking far enough ahead,
again!
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, starting firewall forward
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| Subject: | Engine's and insurance clarification |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
Another data point. No problem with Avemco after my hawk strike, in
fact, excellent service dealing with personal injury and bent
metal/plexi. They cut me a check, and let me do the repair. I know
that wasn't true for another RV pilot who had a bird strike on his
leading edge from another company that we've been talking about.
But then again, I was flying legally, with a current BFR.
I'm not sure I'd expect them to payoff when your not holding up your
end of the agreement (ie, not current). But then again, that's just
me.
I'm sure that doesn't make the guy feel any better about crashing his Glasair.
Laird RV-6
SoCal
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
>And I personally know of a situation where a Glasair pilot had an engine
>failure after takeoff and put it down in a nearby field. He managed to
>hit the only tree stump within 500 feet doing substantial damage to his
>airplane but not his body.
>
>Avemco denied the claim because he was a little tardy on his BFR. He's
>going to take a 60k hit.
>
>Bruce
>www.glasair.org
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Van Artsdalen,
>Scott
>To: 'rv-list@matronics.com'
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine's and insurance clarification
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott"
><svanarts@unionsafe.com>
>
>One datapoint from one ordinary guy. I filed a claim with Avemco a
>couple
>of years ago when I flew my Champ into some trees. They were out the
>next
>day, took some pictures, told me I could have the repairs done anywhere
>I
>wanted, and to just submit the bill to them. Now, I understand it was
>only
>a Champ and the repairs were relatively inexpensive, especially by
>insurance
>industry standards: about $15,000. But they were friendly, courteous,
>helpful, and prompt. That's how my situation played out. This was
>under
>their Direct Approach contract. They may have been more stubborn if I
>had
>been flying a Bonanza and someone had died. But my experience was a
>very
>easy one. Being without the plane and the ribbing I took were not as
>easy.
>:-)
>
>
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| Subject: | Engine Certification |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
I don't want to start (or continue) a flame war, but I have a comment
regarding putting "certified" engines on Experimental aircraft.
If you put a Lycoming, fully certified, on an experimental it DOES NOT
automatically become an experimental or non-certified engine. As long as the
work on the engine is done by a licensed A&P and the required
annual/AD's/etc are maintained properly the engine retains its 'certified'
status.
The problem starts when we 'repairmen' start doing modifications, neglect
required maintenance needed to keep the engine's 'certified' status current,
that the engine loses its "certified" status.
Flame away, but cite regulations please if you disagree.
John
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| Subject: | VanGuard Program/engines |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
I just got off the phone with the head of the dept. for Phoenix (the underwriters
for the program) and he is very positive about the Superior engines.
We had a good long talk. He was on the road, and will do some research when he
gets back in his office, and will call me next week with a firm answer. But,
he was very agreeable about including them even though Van doesn't specifically
recommend them.
I will post the final decision.
:-) feeling much better than I did yesterday about this
JT
do not archive
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| Subject: | AerosportPower Engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com
Just recieved engine. All I can say is that I have never seen such an engine.
It belongs in the Smithsonian. It may not be insurable, despite assuraces to
the contrary by all involved except this list, but it is a marvel. I have to
put on sunglasses to look at it. Do Not Archive. JR
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Certification |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
You are technically correct. When it come time to sell your "certified
engine" you need to get your Certified A&P to sign it off as such in the
engine log book. Otherwise it is not very useful.
Now the real problem is that your signee is on the hook and liable if
anything goes wrong and they find any non certified repairs or replacement
parts. Would you sign the logs if you could loose your A&P license?
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
Subject: RV-List: Engine Certification
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
> I don't want to start (or continue) a flame war, but I have a comment
> regarding putting "certified" engines on Experimental aircraft.
>
> If you put a Lycoming, fully certified, on an experimental it DOES NOT
> automatically become an experimental or non-certified engine. As long as
the
> work on the engine is done by a licensed A&P and the required
> annual/AD's/etc are maintained properly the engine retains its 'certified'
> status.
>
> The problem starts when we 'repairmen' start doing modifications, neglect
> required maintenance needed to keep the engine's 'certified' status
current,
> that the engine loses its "certified" status.
>
> Flame away, but cite regulations please if you disagree.
>
> John
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AerosportPower Engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
Dear JR,
Merry (self imposed) Christmas to you !! Might want to try wearing Welder's
Shades for added Glare Protection!
Do Not Archive
Subject: RV-List: AerosportPower Engine
> --> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com
>
> Just recieved engine. All I can say is that I have never seen such an
engine.
> It belongs in the Smithsonian. It may not be insurable, despite assuraces
to
> the contrary by all involved except this list, but it is a marvel. I have
to
> put on sunglasses to look at it. Do Not Archive. JR
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: gas springs for tip-up canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
Hi Dan- no, I wasn't (saw the price & just skipped on down!) but this
might be a good option, fer sure- the 9425K13 has the same 6.3" stroke
and is also available with the same forces. Another option would be to
get some hard plastic tubing you could cut a slot down the length of and
snap it over the shaft if you wanted to lock the canopy up... Can I say
"cheap", or whut?!
Mark
Dan Checkoway wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> Not sure if this is what you're referring to, but on that same page
> (different part #) they also have "lockable" gas springs, which use a latch
> that apparently automatically pops into place when the strut gets extended.
> Pull to release.
>
> I imagine you could get by with one of those suckers on the pilot's side
> only as added no-slam insurance.
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Certification |
--> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com
As an A&P, the only way I would return an engine to quote "certified" status
off of a RV, a Glasair, a whatever would be for me to completely disassemble
the engine and check all parts against the overhaul manual and the TC and
applicable AD's. It would not matter to me if the cylinders were Titan and
the case was ECi and the crank was Lycoming as long as the logbooks were
complete and the paperwork was available to assure me the engine met TC and
it had been maintained by an A&P. If the paperwork was incomplete,
maintenance had been done under the repairman certificate, mods had been made
(a PMA part is not a modification) then I would require essentially an
overhaul to TC requirements. I, of course, would have to charge for that
(lot's and lot's--got to pay for that insurance somehow) since my name and
number would be going in the logbook stating the engine was in compliance
with it's TC, AD's complete and bla bla. I never pencil whip, if I write my
name and number down, it is the real deal. JR
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Certification |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Jory" <rickjory@msn.com>
My DAR implied the same thing said below. By the way, not to discourage the
home building spirit, re: the thread on heated seats, I only have 10 1/2
hours on my 8A . . . flown here in Denver (8000') . . . December/January . .
. it's cold . . . BUT . . . my seat has never been cold. Of course, I may
want seats with circulating coolant in the summer, but for now I just
haven't had a problem re: cold.
Rick Jory RV8A
>
> If you put a Lycoming, fully certified, on an experimental it DOES NOT
> automatically become an experimental or non-certified engine. As long as
the
> work on the engine is done by a licensed A&P and the required
> annual/AD's/etc are maintained properly the engine retains its 'certified'
> status.
>
> The problem starts when we 'repairmen' start doing modifications, neglect
> required maintenance needed to keep the engine's 'certified' status
current,
> that the engine loses its "certified" status.
>
> Flame away, but cite regulations please if you disagree.
>
> John
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Certification |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
At 01:04 PM 1/22/2003, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
>You are technically correct. When it come time to sell your "certified
>engine" you need to get your Certified A&P to sign it off as such in the
>engine log book. Otherwise it is not very useful.
My first post! :
)
I'm very new to all this, but I would think that the smart move
would be to have an A&P supervise your work while you are building the
airframe. By the time you get to the firewall, you will likely have enough
hours to take your A&P test. You can then work on your own engine and
retain its certification, since you will be a genuine A&P.
It would cost a bit more to pay an A&P to look over your shoulder
now and then, but I would imagine the following benefits: 1) Catch errors
that you may have overlooked. 2) Enhance the resale value of the finished
airplane (including the engine.) 3) If you buy a different airplane, you
can legally work on it yourself.
Of course, I could be completely wrong about all of this. :
)
_ /| Bill "Wisenheimer" Dube'
\'o.O' <billdube@KillaCycle.com>
=(___) U Check out the bike -> http://www.KillaCycle.com
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| Subject: | Grass Strip List, anyone??? |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
As I mentioned to one lister off-list, maybe there's enough interest in this
topic to place the traffic on a separate Matronics list. The appeal is
certainly not limited to the RV community. I suspect traffic volume would be
low on the "Grass Roots" Airstrip List, but the discussions would be rather
boring to those who come to the RV list just to read about construction
issues, so everyone might be happier if we took said traffic to another
forum. Let's see what Matt thinks about hosting yet another List.
I would definitely subscribe to such a list.
My wife has a shirt that reads: "When I get a little spare money, I buy
books. If there's any left over, I buy food and clothing. -Erasmus" My
shirt should read: "When I get a little spare time, I
mow/rake/roll/aerate/fertilize/spray expensive weed killers on/re-seed/clean
the ditches along the runway. If there's time left over, I take the RV up."
-Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Certification |
--> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com
In a message dated 1/22/2003 3:42:04 PM Central Standard Time,
bdube@boulder.nist.gov writes:
>
> I'm very new to all this, but I would think that the smart move
> would be to have an A&P supervise your work while you are building the
> airframe. By the time you get to the firewall, you will likely have enough
> hours to take your A&P test. You can then work on your own engine and
> retain its certification, since you will be a genuine A&P.
>
> It would cost a bit more to pay an A&P to look over your shoulder
> now and then, but I would imagine the following benefits: 1) Catch errors
> that you may have overlooked. 2) Enhance the resale value of the finished
> airplane (including the engine.) 3) If you buy a different airplane, you
> can legally work on it yourself.
>
> Of course, I could be completely wrong about all of this. :
In a perfect world that would be lovely but most A&Ps will not want to
supervise your project for free and then take the responsibility for it
afterwards which is exactly what happens when they sign their name and
number. Further, while not impossible to earn your A&P by apprenticing
yourself in the manner you described it would probably not be practical.
Where would you get your welding training, your jet engine training, your FAR
knowledge? An A&P course typically runs about 18-24 mos. There is a series of
written exams, oral exams and practical exams where knowledge must be
demonstrated. The only way to sit for such a practical and oral is to attend
an approved A&P school, perhaps military experience, a sign off from an FAA
type person who says you have the knowledge and experience to sit for the
tests. They usually don't do that. Further, as an A&P I would never sign for
someone else's work, especially if I did not see it performed and then be
willing to take the responsibility for it--no thanks. There may be some A&P
out there who would do that but I would not and as an Amateur built aircraft
it is not required, if it were we would all be out of luck. Do Not Archive.
JR
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| Subject: | Grass Strip List, anyone??? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Hey Matt... Are you listening? I would second that motion for a Dirt Strip
List.
----- Original Message -----
From: <SportAV8R@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Grass Strip List, anyone???
> --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>
> As I mentioned to one lister off-list, maybe there's enough interest in
this
> topic to place the traffic on a separate Matronics list. The appeal is
> certainly not limited to the RV community. I suspect traffic volume would
be
> low on the "Grass Roots" Airstrip List, but the discussions would be
rather
> boring to those who come to the RV list just to read about construction
> issues, so everyone might be happier if we took said traffic to another
> forum. Let's see what Matt thinks about hosting yet another List.
>
> I would definitely subscribe to such a list.
>
> My wife has a shirt that reads: "When I get a little spare money, I buy
> books. If there's any left over, I buy food and clothing. -Erasmus" My
> shirt should read: "When I get a little spare time, I
> mow/rake/roll/aerate/fertilize/spray expensive weed killers
on/re-seed/clean
> the ditches along the runway. If there's time left over, I take the RV
up."
> -Bill
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine transducer question (probably dumb) |
--> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com
Yes you can have this pointed in any direction, but I would think about
securing the transducer. These things weigh a few ounces and due to vibration
may crack at the oil inlet. I don't know your installation but think about
vibration when attaching engine accessories.
John Danielson
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| Subject: | Re: Grass Strip List, anyone??? |
--> RV-List message posted by: HalBenjamin@aol.com
In a message dated 1/22/2003 6:00:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
crabaut@coalinga.com writes:
>
> Hey Matt... Are you listening? I would second that motion for a Dirt Strip
> List
Dirty Stripper List? Oooooo baby!
Please do not archive!
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Certification |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Sears" <sears@searnet.com>
> If you put a Lycoming, fully certified, on an experimental it DOES NOT
> automatically become an experimental or non-certified engine. As long as
the
> work on the engine is done by a licensed A&P and the required
> annual/AD's/etc are maintained properly the engine retains its 'certified'
> status.
I've been watching this thread with interest because of the insurance
issues, etc. I built my airplane with the notion that I'd have a certified
engine and prop combination. When I rebuilt my engine to new specs, I used
OEM and PMA parts. I also had the case parts recertified, if they were
repaired. The only modification, other than ADs and SBs, I made was the Ney
Nozzle STC. All the paperwork was kept, of course. When I finished the
rebuild, with the help of my A&P buddies, the engine was signed off by the
A&P whom I paid to help me do the work. Since that time, I've made sure the
engine inspection was signed off by an A&P at each of it's three condition
inspections. I even let the A&P do the critical things like the compression
check, mag check, etc. so that he knows his signature is not going to get
him in trouble. The data plate still resides on the side of my engine. The
airframe is signed off by me, of course.
Others may disagree and find FARs, etc. to prove otherwise; but, I still
consider my engine just as certified as the engine I had in my Cheetah.
It's gone through the same treatment since it's been on my RV as the engine
did on my Cheetah. Technically speaking, or not, someone will have to show
me the FAR that says my engine isn't certified just because it's in a RV.
Of course, I've been proven wrong before; but, I personally believe we have
a problem with some FSDOs who make builders remove data plates and others
don't. I've never been asked to remove mine by our DAR or FSDO. In fact,
one of our FSDO inspectors was one of the A&Ps who helped me rebuild mine
before he went to work for the Feds. He knows exactly what I have in mine.
:-)
BTW, I still like the looks of the Jabiru. It's an aircraft engine. I
wonder.....
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS
EAA Tech Counselor
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| Subject: | Open Letter to JT Helms |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Nolan" <jimnolan@insightbb.com>
JT,
I've had insurance with you for a number of years now. No claims, good service
and I'm more than pleased with my premium cost. After reading this will you
please give me a yes or no answer.
In 1996 I rebuilt my engine myself. ECI did all the work, sent everything back
and I assembled it myself. Everything that went back into the engine was new
and or had a yellow tag, everything except the crank. The hollow crank had two
pits that wouldn't clean up. They recommended that I paint the inside with
a special paint and forget about it since it was going into an experimental anyway.
When I submitted all the part numbers and yellow tag copies to the FAA for
approval, they contacted ECI for information about the crank. Once ECI informed
them that they considered the crank good, they OK'ed the engine overhaul
but requested I take the data plate off. The reason was that I had gone to 160
horse pistons on an E3D engine, and Lycoming didn't make a 160 horsepower E3D.
After that I called my insurance agent and asked them if they wanted all the
paperwork I had generated on the airplane. ( this was the same time that the
guy in California crashed and because of a fuel line he had changed, his insurance
company didn't have to pay because he had made a major modification) They
informed me that if the FAA OK'ed my RV4, it was an insured aircraft.
Since then, as you know I've gotten my Instrument rating, added radios, autopilot
and made sure I kept my weight and balance and equipment list up to date.
All this I have done myself. I have only a repairman's certificate. No major
alternations have been done to the plane since 96.
AM I INSURED, YES OR NO
Jim Nolan
N444JN
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| Subject: | Engine Certification) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
At 03:00 PM 1/22/2003, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com
>
> >
> > It would cost a bit more to pay an A&P to look over your shoulder
> > now and then,
>In a perfect world that would be lovely but most A&Ps will not want to
>supervise your project for free and then take the responsibility for it
>afterwards which is exactly what happens when they sign their name and
>number.
Notice above that I mentioned that you would have to pay the A&P.
It would be foolish to assume otherwise. :
)
> Further, while not impossible to earn your A&P by apprenticing
>yourself in the manner you described it would probably not be practical.
It looks to be about the same basic format as the private pilot
program, but a bit more drawn out:
http://www1.faa.gov/AVR/afs/mechanicbasic.htm
You would have to study for the written, oral, and practical exams
of course. You would also have to pay for all these exams, just like you
would for your private pilot's license. However, I don't see any specific
requirement that you attend a trade school. (See #2
http://www1.faa.gov/AVR/afs/mechanicexperience.htm ) I think that 30 months
of work would be typical for putting together a homebuilt.
This would not be for everyone. Perhaps most folks would not want
to bother. I personally think it would be a nice added bonus. Why not end
up with an A&P certificate for just a little extra money and effort?
I have had very positive conversations about this with several
A&Ps. All I spoke with would be willing to supervise my work and sign off
at the appropriate time to take my exam. I took this as a complement. I'm
sure that not all A&Ps would be willing to do this for anyone that asked.
_ /| Bill "Wisenheimer" Dube'
\'o.O' <billdube@KillaCycle.com>
=(___) U Check out the bike -> http://www.KillaCycle.com
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| Subject: | What are Pilots coming to ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
People talk about hetated & cooled seats,training wheels under the
nose,etc.,etc.,etc.
Does you mom let you out of the house to go fly ??
no not archive - obviously
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
see I even put my name on , now to the FIRE extinguisher !!
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| Subject: | re: rv-list: upholster |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Crosley, Rich" <RCROSLEY@HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM>
A Rocket builder down the street bought $1200 worth of Oregon Aero seats and
I wondered the same thing. How do they keep the fabric down? So I unzipped
the cushion. They glue it.......Rubber Cement it looks like to me.
Rich Crosley
RV-8 fuselage
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| Subject: | Firewall forward kit? |
--> RV-List message posted by: BillRVSIX@aol.com
Hello quick question when you order the fire wall forward kit on line how do
you know what alternator your getting 35 amp or 60 amp. There is an example
kit for the RV 7/7A kit with a O-320 it shows a 60 amp alternator. I need the
35 amp. IM ordering the RV-7 O-360 fixed pitch firewall forward kit with the
additions for the RV-6. Thanks
Bill Higgins
Pembroke Ma
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| Subject: | Re: Open Letter to JT Helms |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Jim, (I am not a builder).... the following assumes you're talking about a
Lycoming engine that had overhaul work done on it by ECI, and was returned
to you to put back together???
The answer to are you insured is.....
Probably. (hate to be vague, flames will likely fill my inbox tomorrow... I
sure hope you "flamers" get satisfaction out of your flameyness.)
You certainly have coverage, but what you are really asking is will they pay
out a claim for you. There is no way for me to give a definetive answer.
The only time they delve into issues like what you have described, is after
you have had a claim.
I can tell you that the company that insures you is not in the habit of
denying coverage (I again refer you to the claim they paid this year on the
Chevy powered RV, and they don't offer coverages to RV's with those
powerplants.) I could also mention the other total loss that the
underwriter of the program paid this year on an airplane that was not even
airworthy (no pitot static system operational, thus no airspeed indicator
for many hours before the inevitable crash, with no attempt to fix the
problem.... what happened? they stalled and died.... the company paid
without objection.)
If you have followed the FAA's rules and guidelines, you will likely be
fine, and that is the best you can do. Regarding the situation your
mentioned about the fuel line, I am not aware of who that gentleman was
insured with (but I have a guess....AVEMCO).
Hope that helps. I can tell you that you're insured with the company
(Phoenix Aviation) that will give you the least hassles with regards payment
of claims on all of the issues we've been discussing.
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Nolan" <jimnolan@insightbb.com>
Subject: RV-List: Open Letter to JT Helms
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Nolan" <jimnolan@insightbb.com>
JT,
I've had insurance with you for a number of years now. No claims, good
service and I'm more than pleased with my premium cost. After reading this
will you please give me a yes or no answer.
In 1996 I rebuilt my engine myself. ECI did all the work, sent everything
back and I assembled it myself. Everything that went back into the engine
was new and or had a yellow tag, everything except the crank. The hollow
crank had two pits that wouldn't clean up. They recommended that I paint the
inside with a special paint and forget about it since it was going into an
experimental anyway. When I submitted all the part numbers and yellow tag
copies to the FAA for approval, they contacted ECI for information about the
crank. Once ECI informed them that they considered the crank good, they
OK'ed the engine overhaul but requested I take the data plate off. The
reason was that I had gone to 160 horse pistons on an E3D engine, and
Lycoming didn't make a 160 horsepower E3D.
After that I called my insurance agent and asked them if they wanted all
the paperwork I had generated on the airplane. ( this was the same time that
the guy in California crashed and because of a fuel line he had changed, his
insurance company didn't have to pay because he had made a major
modification) They informed me that if the FAA OK'ed my RV4, it was an
insured aircraft.
Since then, as you know I've gotten my Instrument rating, added radios,
autopilot and made sure I kept my weight and balance and equipment list up
to date. All this I have done myself. I have only a repairman's certificate.
No major alternations have been done to the plane since 96.
AM I INSURED, YES OR NO
Jim Nolan
N444JN
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| Subject: | Re: Grass Strip List, anyone??? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris <chrisw3@cox.net>
"C. Rabaut" wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Hey Matt... Are you listening? I would second that motion for a Dirt Strip
> List.
How about something a bit broader with more appeal. Like a list that talks
about making your own runway, whether it be grass, dirt, gravel, asphalt, or
concrete. Making your own hanger. There has to be more to add but I can't
think of it right now.
do not archive
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206 (home)
chrisw@programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
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| Subject: | re: rv-list: upholster |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ed_Cole@maximhq.com
I've got some Oregon Aero seats that came with the RV6A that I purchased a
couple of years ago.
The fabric covers, while in good condition, just don't appeal to me.
This afternoon I went to get an estimate on recovering the cushions from a
local Auto upholsterer who also has experience with aircraft upholstery. His
estimate for 2 seat cushions and 2 seat backs was a staggering $796.
This was for 3 1/4 yds of material and 7 hours labor. Material =$179 Labor $588
I'll never complain about Becky or DJ's prices again!
I've got to learn how to sew !
Ed Cole
RV6A N2169D Flying
RV6A N648RV Finishing
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Crosley, Rich [SMTP:RCROSLEY@HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 3:43 PM
> To: 'rv-list@matronics.com'
> Subject: RV-List: re: rv-list: upholster
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Crosley, Rich"
> <RCROSLEY@HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM>
>
> A Rocket builder down the street bought $1200 worth of Oregon Aero seats
> and
> I wondered the same thing. How do they keep the fabric down? So I
> unzipped
> the cushion. They glue it.......Rubber Cement it looks like to me.
>
>
> Rich Crosley
> RV-8 fuselage
>
>
>
>
>
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Datasheets:
http://dbserv.maxim-ic.com/l_datasheet3.cfm
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 upholster |
--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
Yes ... I have given it some thought. We have over 300 leathers that we
stock. I have built three sets of seats for local RVs. The design of the
seats uses a diamond tuft which it quite attractive.
I will try to get a picture of the seats posted and if there is interest ...
I will proceed.
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, NC N910LL
51 hours
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| Subject: | Keeping the Plane Warm |
--> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com
My daughter and I just made a trip from Casper, WY to Aberdeen, SD to
Rochester, MN. The temp when we left Aberdeen yesterday was 5 F and when we
arrived in Rochester it was 0 F.
I thought I had covered up most of the seams where air could get thru but we
were cold, real cold.
I have 2 heat muffs, one on each exhaust and 2 cabin heat controls.
Our feet were fairly warm but we had air coming in over our backs.
Can someone with esxperience in this area give me some tips on what and where
to seal.
We plan on heading back to Casper on Friday, and hopefully the temps start to
warm up before we depart.
John Danielson
RV-6 110 hours
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| Subject: | Grass Strip List, anyone??? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Maybe adding hangars and workshops to the runways would make the list more
active and worthwhile.
Terry
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris <chrisw3@cox.net>
"C. Rabaut" wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Hey Matt... Are you listening? I would second that motion for a Dirt
Strip
> List.
How about something a bit broader with more appeal. Like a list that talks
about making your own runway, whether it be grass, dirt, gravel, asphalt, or
concrete. Making your own hanger. There has to be more to add but I can't
think of it right now.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Keeping the Plane Warm |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
Hello John,
Welcome back to the north pole. Assuming you have a slider, you might
try some classic foam weatherseal from the hardware store along the aft
end of the slider, stuck to the fuselage skin. Air goes out the sides,
and comes in the aft edge. The real key is lots of warm air coming in,
but not so much that it is only cool. The compounding problem is that
the plexiglas can warp the canopy a bit in really cold temps, lifting
the back. I felt a cold blast earlier in the week that I never had felt
before, although it was still comfortable. A hood over the headset and
head helps, too.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 251 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JDaniel343@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Keeping the Plane Warm
--> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com
My daughter and I just made a trip from Casper, WY to Aberdeen, SD to
Rochester, MN. The temp when we left Aberdeen yesterday was 5 F and when
we
arrived in Rochester it was 0 F.
I thought I had covered up most of the seams where air could get thru
but we
were cold, real cold.
I have 2 heat muffs, one on each exhaust and 2 cabin heat controls. Our
feet were fairly warm but we had air coming in over our backs. Can
someone with esxperience in this area give me some tips on what and
where
to seal.
We plan on heading back to Casper on Friday, and hopefully the temps
start to
warm up before we depart.
John Danielson
RV-6 110 hours
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Keeping the Plane Warm |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
Which canopy type do you have?
If it is a slider, your biggest leak(s) are most likely around the slider
skirts. To seal these leaks, go to Home Depot or the local hardware store
and get some foam weatherstripping with a sticky side and use that as a
seal where the slider skirt contacts the fuselage for 6-10 inches
on either side of the slider track. This solves 25% of the leakage
(absolute, NASA measured figure ;) )
Then, get a piece of foam pipe insulation. The kind that slips over a 1" or
so copper pipe. Split it down the middle so you end up with two 3' long
pieces with a "C" cross section. Cut these pieces to a length that fills
the ~30" +/- slot between the slider rails and the slider skirts with the
slider closed. Store these strips somewhere in the airplane where you can
reach them, then insert them into the two slots once you've closed the
canopy for your next cold weather flight. This will solve 74% (again, NASA
supplied figures) of your air leakage.
I promise you'll see a huge difference.
I had an 8 hour flying day recently where the ground temperatures were 17
degrees F at my departure point, down to 12 degrees at my arrival, and when
I returned to the origination point, the temps were ~ 30F. Most of the
flight was at 8,000+ feet, and I had to keep the heater (one heat muff) at
the lowest setting to avoid being run out of the cockpit. With the heater
off, it was cold inside. The flight insertable seals along the canopy rails
made all the difference. Before trying those, I had ths same problem as
you.
If you've got a tip-up, try this link:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/cold.html
Best of luck!
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: <JDaniel343@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Keeping the Plane Warm
> --> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com
>
> My daughter and I just made a trip from Casper, WY to Aberdeen, SD to
> Rochester, MN. The temp when we left Aberdeen yesterday was 5 F and when
we
> arrived in Rochester it was 0 F.
> I thought I had covered up most of the seams where air could get thru but
we
> were cold, real cold.
> I have 2 heat muffs, one on each exhaust and 2 cabin heat controls.
> Our feet were fairly warm but we had air coming in over our backs.
> Can someone with esxperience in this area give me some tips on what and
where
> to seal.
> We plan on heading back to Casper on Friday, and hopefully the temps start
to
> warm up before we depart.
> John Danielson
> RV-6 110 hours
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Keeping the Plane Warm |
--> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com
In a message dated 1/22/03 4:39:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,
JDaniel343@aol.com writes:
> I thought I had covered up most of the seams where air could get thru but we
>
> were cold, real cold.
> I have 2 heat muffs, one on each exhaust and 2 cabin heat controls.
> Our feet were fairly warm but we had air coming in over our backs.
> Can someone with esxperience in this area give me some tips on what and
> where
> to seal.
Dan,
I've been working on my heat for the last month or so. Since you have 'air
coming in over your back' I take it you have a slider. I'm a RV6 slider
w/O360 single heat muff that came w/Vettermans exhaust, full upholstery,
floor and firewall insulation. Here's what I've done:
1-installed 3 stainless scrubbies in the muff (walmart).
2-sealed the rear skirt as best I could, then made a vinly/cloth 'deflector'
that is attached to the rear slider bow. This opens/closes with the slider
and 'deflects' any air coming in from the rail fairing straight down and off
your neck.
3-sealed ALL the 'triangles' in the rear baggage bulkheads with glued in
pieces of foam insulation (14 of 'em - I think).
4-use the copper tubing insulation (like 5/8" ID - the real soft stuff the
air conditioning guys use) from Lowe's to seal the side skirts. 2 each (1 for
each side) about 30" long. These lay alongside the seats, then, when airborne
stick 'em along the sideskirts - the cabin air is getting 'sucked' out here
so the tubes get sucked right in there and seal things up. This is aka - Kyle
Boatright and Bob Metcalfe.
5-put on the aileron boots to keep the air from coming into the cabin from
the wing roots.
I usually wear 2 sweatshirts (1 is the 'hoody' type - keeps your neck warm)
and a ball cap, toss my coat in the back (never know when I might need it)
and go flying (no gloves). If I keep the power in (2400rpm) I'm nice and
toasty, if I back off for decent or whatever I notice a difference. My
passenger is always asking me to cut the heat back as it comes in on their
side (aimed down) but I tell 'em to suffer :
) or crack open the cold air
vent.
Hope this helps. Please archive
Rick Gray RV6 (Ohio) at the Buffalo Farm - headed for the TEAM RV clinic on
Friday - 35 deg down there will be like a 'heat wave' :
)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
Listers:
Old timers, who were on the RV list around the time I did, will remember
Carroll Bird from Buffalo Gap, Texas. I am sorry to report that Carroll
just passed away, having suffered a heart attack last year, while in his
RV-4 on the ground.
I'm terrible for remembering people, just from having seen their posts on
the list or having met them at fly-ins a time or two. I had no trouble
remembering Carroll. The first time I attended an event at Abilene, he made
a point of introducing himself as a fellow lister. Well I did remember him
from his posts, and after meeting him, there was no chance I would ever
forget him.
Carroll was a short, kind of pixy of a guy who was so good natured it was
kind of hard for even a surly guy like me to not just smile all the time
when I was within Carroll range.
One of my big memories of Carroll is of him giving ride after ride after
ride at Young Eagle events. A couple of years ago I wrote up a story about
Carroll giving a first airplane ride to about a 70 year old lady, in the
back of his RV-4. She loved it.
Carroll was one of the real good ones. Happy trails Carroll!
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Certification) |
--> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com
In a message dated 1/22/2003 5:41:05 PM Central Standard Time,
bdube@boulder.nist.gov writes:
> I have had very positive conversations about this with several
> A&Ps. All I spoke with would be willing to supervise my work and sign off
> at the appropriate time to take my exam. I took this as a complement. I'm
> sure that not all A&Ps would be willing to do this for anyone that asked.
>
I am not so sure you really understand all the details. In any case,
recommending somone who I have worked with to sit for the test is one thing,
signing off their airplane is another.
I do a lot of free work for all kinds of people unfortunately--I just do it
cuz I figure it is good for Sport Aviation. It always amazes me when people
who have law degrees or medical degrees or this or that who make considerably
more money than me want me to "supervise" them and sign their airplanes off
for free or for a small "fee". I always wonder how much supervision they may
be willing to pay for. Out of a 2,000 hour project I figure about 10 percent
of that time might need supervision--for ME to feel good about signing on the
line my name. Let's see, at 50 dollars an hour that would be about 10,000
dollars. I am a EAA TC, I feel it is my duty to help fellow builders--the pay
it forward concept---but I don't sign anything so the advice is free and the
occasional helping hand is free as well. Good luck with the project. Do Not
Archive. JR
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| Subject: | Grass Strip Construction |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C J Heitman" <cjh@execpc.com>
The various permits and the bill for the town attorney's fees came to about
$800. I bought a dozer, did most of my own grading and then sold the dozer
for about what I had in it. Fuel for the dozer (off-road diesel) was about
$600. Grass seed was about $1500.
Chris Heitman
Dousman WI
RV-9A N94ME (reserved)
http://my.execpc.com/~cjh/airstrip.html
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--> RV-List message posted by: BrownScottA@aol.com
How much money did the whole ordeal cost you?
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| Subject: | Re: Grass Strip Construction |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
Ross Schlotthauer wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
>
>Mike,
>
>I can't even imagine how many hours you would fly in a
>year if you lived on a grass strip in GA. Thanks
>again for the ride last summer, I still tell people
>about it weekly.
>
>
>Ross Schlotthauer
>Do not archive
>
>
>
heh, heh, heh...
150 hrs a year.
bought a lot & hangar on a private strip
50 hrs a year
moved to the private strip (mobile home)
20hrs a year
rebuilt a house on the strip
10 hrs a year
really nice house
now I don't even own a plane....
Charlie England
Slobovia Outernational (MS71)
(Will supply hangar space & spare bedroom for flight time)
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| Subject: | Re: Was exp eng, now dataplate |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
My neighbor has gone through it on a couple of planes. I assume that the
logic is that engines are certified on each T/C'd airframe. Since there
is no T/C for a homebuilt, the engine can't be certified on that
airframe. (stress, cooling, vibration, etc. issues)
I'm not saying it's right or conforms to national FAA policy, but it is
the way it is.
The net result of the ins co.'s position, as described by John, is that
you are covered at their whim, not by your contract with them. I'm not
saying that they *won't* pay, just that you have little recourse if they
decide not to pay.
FWIW, the EAA has repeatedly stated that any engine that has been
installed on a homebuilt must be inspected & recertified as conforming
to the t/c & is airworthy before it can be reinstalled on a t/c airframe.
Charlie
mstewart@qa.butler.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
>
>Charlie
>Why is FSDO having you remove the dataplate before inspection?
>
>Mike Stewart
>Do not archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Charlie & Tupper England [mailto:cengland@netdoor.com]
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Experimental Engines VS Certificated Engines &
>Insurance Rates
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England
><cengland@netdoor.com>
>
>Sam Buchanan wrote:
>
>
>>John, I appreciate your input on this subject. I suspect the
>>experimental community has moved much faster and farther toward
>>custom-built "Lycoming" engines than you and the insurance industry
>>realize. If the industry is now qualifying just what is and what isn't
>>an insurable Lycoming engine.........we need to see a WRITTEN set of
>>standards!
>>
>>Respectfully,
>>
>>Sam Buchanan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Sam,
>
>One question you didn't ask was how the claim will be handled on
>homebuilt planes inspected by FSDO's like the one next door to you here
>in Mississippi. Even brand spanking new Lycs must have their data plates
>removed before the FSDO will issue your 'flying papers'.
>
>Charlie
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: N67BT@aol.com
Listers,
FYI, Dynon has announced a March 3rd order/delivery date for the EFIS D-10.
I have spend untold hours designing my panel around this instrument. I hope
this is for real.
Bob Trumpfheller
Building a RV7A QB in Western Colorado
PS, those interested in grass strips, check out mine at:
http://members.aol.com/mesawoodairpark
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| Subject: | Re: Steering Link failure |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Meketa" <acgm@gvtc.com>
Hello Yall
I am one of the three with a weld failure in March 2002. An
E-mail to Terry got a prompt reply and he made sure I recieved
a new link. It appears he is making every attempt at taking care
of any problems. If you have an early link be sure and contact
him for a replacement.
After the failure, a set of chains was kept in the tool bag. They
were recently removed and will go back in the bag this weekend,
just in case. The look and control response of the link is great,
but any more failures will force me to reinstall the springs and
build a set of swaged cables to replace the ugly chains.
Sorry for not letting everyone know about the failure.
George Meketa
RV-8, N444TX
> Listers,
>
> It's come to my attention that the three weld failures have occurred with
> the links that I build and sell to RV builders/flyers. It looks like a
small
> batch from early 2002 had sub-standard welds. I'll be contacting all
persons
> who purchased a steering link in January and February. This has prompted
me
> to redesign a weld free link that is slightly more adjustable. If you've
> purchased a link during the time period, I'll happily upgrade your link.
> Please contact me off list.
>
> Terry Jantzi
>
> http://www.iwantarocket.com
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| Subject: | Re: Did Bill Shook's blackhole get Rick Caldwell |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Rick should still be in hangar 10C at MLB. Last I heard from Bill, he was in Denver,
CO ???
billshook2000@yahoo.com ??? Now, about Eric Henson?! It's been getting hard
to get an intelligent insult
on The List.
WALTER KERR wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "WALTER KERR" <kerrjb@msn.com>
>
> Have not heard a peep from Rick in about a year. Bill Shook apparently dropped
from the face of the earth.
>
> Does anyone know the story of these two Fla RVators??
>
> Do not archive
> Bernie Kerr
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Guys,
There are several issuse being confused here.
1. If the King says the part is FAA-PMA approved for direct replacement then
the King's court can not come back and say that the aircraft is not
airworthy because of the part's correct installation in the aircraft which
is the whole point of the FAA Parts Manufaturer Approval process for direct
replacement parts.
If this is not so then every type certified aircraft more than about two
years old, including all airliners, needs to be grounded immediately.
Lycoming will tell you that the way to overhaul one of their engines is to
buy all the parts for that engine, by correct part number for that engine.
They do not, and cannot tell you where to buy the parts from. In fact I
would go so far as to say that they share common manufacturer's for many of
their parts with the after-marketers. (Champion, Precision, Slick, etc)
Given the recent developments in manufacturing, the data plate arguement is
valid.
But it must be "overhauled" or "supervised" by a person who is a
Certificated Powerplant Mechanic or a Certified Repair Station using the
correct and most current data for the airworthiness of that engine to be
valid in its Type Certified utilization.
2. Unfortunately there is nothing in law that governs airworthiness in
un-Type Certified utilization of Type Certified components other than the
Special Airworthiness Certificate. The Insurer clearly does not have the
authority to state that an aircraft is unairworthy and therefore uninsurable
if the King has stated it is by due process. (This all assumes it has not
been altered from its original SAC state.) And this has nothing to do with
who built the engine using whatever parts.
It would be my suggestion that EAA and AOPA be made very aware of this
aspect of the insurance issue, if they aren't already, as the insurance
companies could, and apparently are deciding this on their own.
A lengthy class action lawsuit would probably force them to insure us no
matter what, because Experimentals are allowed by the King sans any Type
Certification, or the need for any PMA or TSO'd parts. To do otherwise is
discrimination. But the Insurers will never be limited by the King on what
they can charge for the service.
I would also agree with JT, that telling the whole story now is the only way
to have any legitimate claim later.
If there's a major move afoot to outlaw us then we'll throw the Poberezneys
and Boyers at them. That's why you pay your dues isn't it?
Now on to more important stuff, has anybody ever thought about using one of
these new electronic distance measuring devices as a short range ground
proximty sensor. My vision has a horrible time telling the difference
between 6 inches off the ground and 2 inches when the tail is below the
mains and its a downhill runway, particularly at night or landing into the
setting sun. ;{)
W
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Amen to that Larry. I had the pleasure of meeting and camping with Carroll
at OSH. Just a pleasure to be around.
Truely a sad day. Godspead Catbird.
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A
fuselage
Peshtigo, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
Subject: RV-List: Sad News
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
>
> Listers:
>
> Old timers, who were on the RV list around the time I did, will remember
> Carroll Bird from Buffalo Gap, Texas. I am sorry to report that Carroll
> just passed away, having suffered a heart attack last year, while in his
> RV-4 on the ground.
>
> I'm terrible for remembering people, just from having seen their posts on
> the list or having met them at fly-ins a time or two. I had no trouble
> remembering Carroll. The first time I attended an event at Abilene, he
made
> a point of introducing himself as a fellow lister. Well I did remember
him
> from his posts, and after meeting him, there was no chance I would ever
> forget him.
>
> Carroll was a short, kind of pixy of a guy who was so good natured it was
> kind of hard for even a surly guy like me to not just smile all the time
> when I was within Carroll range.
>
> One of my big memories of Carroll is of him giving ride after ride after
> ride at Young Eagle events. A couple of years ago I wrote up a story
about
> Carroll giving a first airplane ride to about a 70 year old lady, in the
> back of his RV-4. She loved it.
>
> Carroll was one of the real good ones. Happy trails Carroll!
>
> Larry Pardue
> Carlsbad, NM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Using cork with Proseal - was "Fuel Lube" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
> you can back a screw out of a nut plate if you put sealant
> on the threads like it was locktite inside the nutplate? I'll
> bet that's a fun job.
Proseal doeas good job of sealing against leaks but doesn't seem to lock the
threads in so you can't get them out. I had no problem at all getting them
out.
Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~450 hrs)
Portland, OR
www.vanshomewing.org
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| Subject: | Re: Keeping the Plane Warm |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
Installing aileron pushrod boots made a big difference in my plane. Even if
you have stick boots, the air from the wing still gets in various other
nooks and crannies. See
http://www.edt.com/homewing/rhproject/pushrod_boot.jpg for a picture.
Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~450 hrs)
Portland, OR
www.vanshomewing.org
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| Subject: | Re: Keeping the Plane Warm |
--> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com
Thanks for all that answered. Will be sealing up the plane before the flight
back to Casper.
John Danielson
RV-6
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| Subject: | Airflow Performance bypass valve cabling question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Mack" <don@dmack.net>
I am cabling my Airflow Performance fuel injection bypass valve on my
o-360-a1a. The way the throw arm on the valve is setup it will be in normal,
full rich operation when the knob on the panel is pulled out. This runs
contrary to "normal" where a device is full rich, full power when pushed in.
The throw arm can't be changed.
I am contemplating making a bellcrank to reverse the direction so when the
knob is in it is full rich. If anyone has any input and/or pictures on how
they hooked theirs up I would appreciate it.
Thanks
Don Mack RV-6A
don@dmack.net
www.dmack.net
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 upholster |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
You betcha Len- get them pitchers posted and send me some samples- I am
in the market for seats NOW!
Mark Phillips -6A do not archive
Lenleg@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
> Yes ... I have given it some thought. We have over 300 leathers that we
> stock. I have built three sets of seats for local RVs. The design of the
> seats uses a diamond tuft which it quite attractive.
>
> I will try to get a picture of the seats posted and if there is interest ...
> I will proceed.
>
> Len Leggette, RV-8A
> Greensboro, NC N910LL
> 51 hours
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Grass Strip List, anyone??? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
Hows about "Living with your airplane"- include all already mentioned,
plus airparks, etc. (as if I had time to read more than the 80 posts I
already get!) Mark - do not archive
Terry Watson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
> Maybe adding hangars and workshops to the runways would make the list more
> active and worthwhile.
>
> Terry
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris <chrisw3@cox.net>
>
> "C. Rabaut" wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>>
>>Hey Matt... Are you listening? I would second that motion for a Dirt
>>
> Strip
>
>>List.
>>
>
> How about something a bit broader with more appeal. Like a list that talks
> about making your own runway, whether it be grass, dirt, gravel, asphalt, or
> concrete. Making your own hanger. There has to be more to add but I can't
> think of it right now.
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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