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1. 12:00 AM - Re: Fw: Insurance or not (Kysh)
2. 03:37 AM - Re: KY, OH, TN get together (Dana Overall)
3. 05:36 AM - Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without recourse.. SECURITY (Gordon or Marge Comfort)
4. 06:24 AM - Re:Ramp checks, was part of the insurance thread (Joe Hine)
5. 06:59 AM - Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without recourse.. SECURITY (Finn Lassen)
6. 07:20 AM - Fabric Bellows for control rods (Ronschreck99@aol.com)
7. 07:26 AM - Re: KY, OH, TN get together (Cy Galley)
8. 07:38 AM - RV hanger needed - Southern New Jersey (PLTDBEEZER@aol.com)
9. 07:54 AM - Re: Fabric Bellows for control rods (Sam Buchanan)
10. 08:03 AM - Re: Fabric Bellows for control rods (Cy Galley)
11. 08:38 AM - Re: Fabric Bellows for control rods (Ralph E. Capen)
12. 08:40 AM - Re: Fabric Bellows for control rods (Gert)
13. 08:44 AM - >Re: VM-100 Cyl. Temp. Probe (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
14. 10:16 AM - Re: Fabric Bellows for control rods (Michael McGee)
15. 10:30 AM - Re: Fabric Bellows for control rods (Jim Norman)
16. 10:31 AM - Re: Fabric Bellows for control rods (Don Eaves)
17. 10:42 AM - Shift boots for Airleron Tubes (Jim Norman)
18. 10:47 AM - [ Ollie Washburn ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
19. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: Is Lightspeed Worth It? (czechsix@juno.com)
20. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: Air drills (czechsix@juno.com)
21. 11:10 AM - Wingtip mounting (BillRVSIX@aol.com)
22. 11:42 AM - Re: Ammeter Shunt Locationnce (David Wentzell)
23. 12:34 PM - Re: Ammeter Shunt Locationnce (Cy Galley)
24. 12:44 PM - Alt Encoder.. (David Wentzell)
25. 12:44 PM - Re: Wingtip mounting (Rick Galati)
26. 01:45 PM - >Re:Ammeter Shunt Locations (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
27. 01:45 PM - Re: My 7A QB Kit arrived at Vans (John Starn)
28. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: Air drills (Will & Lynda Allen)
29. 01:50 PM - Re: Fabric Bellows for control rods (Ed Bundy)
30. 01:51 PM - >Re: Wingtip Mounting (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
31. 01:54 PM - Re: My 7A QB Kit arrived at Vans (Will & Lynda Allen)
32. 02:02 PM - Re: Is Lightspeed Worth It? (RICKRV6@aol.com)
33. 02:14 PM - RV-6 wing and tail kit for sale (Doug Weiler)
34. 02:49 PM - Superior engine info (lucky macy)
35. 03:04 PM - Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without recourse.. (James Morison)
36. 03:38 PM - Re: Wingtip mounting (kempthornes)
37. 03:42 PM - Re: >Re: Wingtip Mounting (kempthornes)
38. 03:43 PM - Re: Fabric Bellows for control rods (kempthornes)
39. 04:35 PM - Re: Superior engine info (JRWillJR@aol.com)
40. 05:02 PM - Re: Is Lightspeed Worth It? (Dave Bristol)
41. 05:06 PM - For sale. (Bruce Knoll)
42. 05:11 PM - Re: >Re: Wingtip Mounting (Elsa & Henry)
43. 05:35 PM - Re: For sale. (Dr. Leathers)
44. 05:40 PM - rv 6/6A wing kit for sale (Bruce Knoll)
45. 06:18 PM - Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without recourse.. SECURITY (Randall Henderson)
46. 06:44 PM - Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without recourse.. SECURITY (Bob Hassel)
47. 06:53 PM - Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without recourse.. SECURITY (Wes)
48. 07:12 PM - Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without recourse.. SECURITY (Cy Galley)
49. 07:17 PM - Re: Fabric Bellows for control rods (Ed Bundy)
50. 09:35 PM - Re: For sale. (MORGAN HETRICK)
51. 10:07 PM - Re: Carpet attachment? (Jim Oke)
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance or not |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
As C. Rabaut was saying:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Lord, what did he hit that caused $500,00.oo worth of damage (and obviously
> didn't kill him)?
A house out here costs about that, usually more. So do babies and other
'soft collateral damage'
-Kysh
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| Subject: | Re: KY, OH, TN get together |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Let me re-phrase that "catered" comment. My style of catering for a bunch
like this would be a bunch of Hooters wings, some meatballs from Krogers and
some microwave pizze pockets. I sure don't anybody getting wrong impression
of me;-)
Dana Overall
1036 Countryside Drivd
Richmond, KY
859 369-3156 cell 859 625-2844
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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| Subject: | Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without recourse.. |
SECURITY
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon or Marge Comfort" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: Fw: RV-List: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without
recourse.. SECURITY
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Well next thing you know, The Homeland Security Dept. will declare our
> planes a threat to homeland security and turn them all into soda cans.
God
> help America, "Big Brother" is here, and he's suspending the constitution
> (oh, but strictly for "security reasons" of course)! I feel so safe &
> secure now.
Listers: One week ago yesterday I sat in a breakout session at the Great
Lakes Int'l Aviation Conference. The session was hosted by four lawyers and
presented info on several aspects of aviation law. One of the lawyers was
an FAA enforcer from the Chicago office. His presentation dealt with and
only with, the TFR's surrounding sports stadiums. To describe him as
hardnosed would be an understatement. There is no leniency. Bust a TFR
(any TFR) and it is not only your ticket but an invitation to criminal
charges brought by state, local or federal law enforcement. Of course the
TFR is valid only the time surrounding an event. The fact that these
facilities are not charted, that there is no system in place to advise the
unwary of activity, that even if you knew where a stadium was located you
likely could not find out if it was busy. FSS doesn't know, at least as an
institution, even though an individual briefer at Lansing FSS might
perchance know that the Spartans were playing on a particular Sat. PM. The
fact that the TFR is inherently incapable of preventing a terrorist attack
matters not. The thing that makes these particular TFR's slightly different
is that as a practical matter they are impossible to locate and predict. Of
course, I know where MIS is, Michigan Stadium is, Spartan Stadium is, and so
forth. But I have no idea where such things are when flying from, say, ADG
to Kansas City. The rules are essentially the same for all TFR's.
After listening to this with my bile rising, when the opportunity to speak
came to me I said words to the effect of, we all sit here and listen to this
and nod and smile and say 'uh huh' but that I regarded this as an outrage
and wondered what we were going to do about it. A small round of applause
ensued. The enforcer momentarily looked shamefaced, but quickly regained
his composure. Clearly he is only the messenger, but this is the sort of
thing we have to contend with. The other legal types joined in and one of
them had really constructive comments to make. They were not shy about
taking on the Chicago boy. Of course it is all for naught because he has
the hammer.
I believe that these rules represent additional steps toward a police
state. I believe that writing to the FAA or the TSA to be of little value.
I believe that if these rules are to be changed we must lean as hard as we
can on our elected representatives, both individually and collectively via
AOPA and EAA and the like. This thread about license suspension upon
accusation reminds of the "j'accuse" and "carte blanche". It is the
handmaiden of the TFR attitude. There is no due process anywhere. This is
wrong. It is not what the USA is about. It should not become what the
United States of America is about.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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| Subject: | RE:Ramp checks, was part of the insurance thread |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Joe Hine" <joehine@nbnet.nb.ca>
Hi List
Myself and two other four owners were ramp checked at Sherbrook Quebec a
couple of years ago. There was one transport Canada guys there, we were the
only aircraft on the ramp at the time. The gas guy said he was hanging
around and checking documents for everyone that landed for gas that day. He
was polite, friendly, but seemed somewhat disappointed that all three of us
had all the required documents right at hand. Its the only time since I
started flying that I have had to show my licence to anyone. Had to do it
again though at the very next stop, Messina NY. The US customs guy was also
very polite and efficient. Checked all the documents, took everything out
of the airplanes, even used a flashlight in the oil door etc. And this was
before Sept 11. My only experiances with ramp checks.
Joe Hine
RV4 C-FYTQ
I saw a ramp check once, after having lunch (at Harris Ranch Coalinga, Ca.),
me & my companion watched for a few seconds... looked at each other, then
pulled a 180 and walked back to the restaurant for dessert. It did not seem
like something we wanted to be a part of. But that was just once, been
flyin' since 1976 (the vast majority of which I suspect could've had actions
brought against me by a "G-man") and that's all I've ever seen. Anyone else
with ramp check experience(s).
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without recourse.. |
SECURITY
--> RV-List message posted by: Finn Lassen <finnlassen@netzero.net>
I did in fact just read it.
There is a saying that "absolute power corrupts absolutely", and
although I don't beleive that's a given, it does open the door for
abuse. Even though the powers that administers the regulation are well
intentioned now, that may not be so in the future.
So an avenue of review and arbitration by a different agency, qualified
and cleared to review the information, should be allowed for.
Finn
Matthew Mucker wrote:
>--> Avionics-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@mucker.net>
>
>One caution that I would suggest would be to READ the legislation before
>commenting on it.
>
>Or get a summary of the legislation from a reliable source. (I expect AOPA
>and EAA to get in on the action real soon now).
>
>There's nothing like blowing your stack only to find out later you were
>misinformed about the whole thing.
>
>-Matt
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>>--> Avionics-List message posted by: "Jim & Jeanette Oberst"
>><joberst@cox-internet.com>
>>
>>Thanks. This was really helpful. I hope EVERYONE on this list submits a
>>comment.
>>
>>Jim Oberst.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fabric Bellows for control rods |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com
Listers, I'm trying to find some fabric bellows to slip over the control rods
to provide a seal around the bulkheads where the rods exit the cockpit. I
have found several manufacturers but they normally cater to large industry
and the bellows are custom made for each application, thus the prices for
small quantities are out of my reach. I'm sure there is a retail source but
I haven't found it. The ideal bellows would have a 3 to 4 inch flange on one
end and a collar at the other end to clamp to the push rod. The extension of
the bellows would have to be greater than the lock-to-lock throw of the
control rod. Most of the bellows are impregnated with rubber or some
synthetic material. Has anybody found such an animal? Thanks for the help,
again.
Ron Schreck
RV-8, Charlotte NC
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| Subject: | Re: KY, OH, TN get together |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
As long as you have the Hooter's girls passing out the Hooters wings, you
will be forgiven.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: KY, OH, TN get together
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> Let me re-phrase that "catered" comment. My style of catering for a bunch
> like this would be a bunch of Hooters wings, some meatballs from Krogers
and
> some microwave pizze pockets. I sure don't anybody getting wrong
impression
> of me;-)
>
>
> Dana Overall
> 1036 Countryside Drivd
> Richmond, KY
> 859 369-3156 cell 859 625-2844
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | RV hanger needed - Southern New Jersey |
--> RV-List message posted by: PLTDBEEZER@aol.com
I need to move my RV6 to the Mcguire AFB area of New Jersey sometime between
March and June this year. If anyone knows of a hanger coming open could you
please let me know. Thanks. Do not archive.
Dave Beizer
RV6A
Steubenville Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric Bellows for control rods |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Ronschreck99@aol.com wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com
>
> Listers, I'm trying to find some fabric bellows to slip over the control rods
> to provide a seal around the bulkheads where the rods exit the cockpit. I
> have found several manufacturers but they normally cater to large industry
> and the bellows are custom made for each application, thus the prices for
> small quantities are out of my reach. I'm sure there is a retail source but
> I haven't found it. The ideal bellows would have a 3 to 4 inch flange on one
> end and a collar at the other end to clamp to the push rod. The extension of
> the bellows would have to be greater than the lock-to-lock throw of the
> control rod. Most of the bellows are impregnated with rubber or some
> synthetic material. Has anybody found such an animal? Thanks for the help,
> again.
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8, Charlotte NC
Ron, here is info on how to easily make your own pushrod boots:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/cold.html
Scroll about half-way down the page for the boots and a link for
downloading a pattern.
Sam Buchanan (1999 RV-6)
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric Bellows for control rods |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Might try the bellows type seals from a motorcycle or bicycle fork.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: <Ronschreck99@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Fabric Bellows for control rods
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com
>
> Listers, I'm trying to find some fabric bellows to slip over the control
rods
> to provide a seal around the bulkheads where the rods exit the cockpit. I
> have found several manufacturers but they normally cater to large industry
> and the bellows are custom made for each application, thus the prices for
> small quantities are out of my reach. I'm sure there is a retail source
but
> I haven't found it. The ideal bellows would have a 3 to 4 inch flange on
one
> end and a collar at the other end to clamp to the push rod. The extension
of
> the bellows would have to be greater than the lock-to-lock throw of the
> control rod. Most of the bellows are impregnated with rubber or some
> synthetic material. Has anybody found such an animal? Thanks for the
help,
> again.
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8, Charlotte NC
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric Bellows for control rods |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Ron,
I was planning on using sailcloth for mine. There are downloadable plans
for their construction on someone's website. Check the archives for where
to get them... My wife and I race sailboats and I have a couple of old
sails laying around. I don't know how well they'll work yet as I'm quite a
ways from needing them but that's the plan though...as they do catch the
wind when we're on the lake.
Ralph Capen
----- Original Message -----
From: <Ronschreck99@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Fabric Bellows for control rods
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com
>
> Listers, I'm trying to find some fabric bellows to slip over the control
rods
> to provide a seal around the bulkheads where the rods exit the cockpit. I
> have found several manufacturers but they normally cater to large industry
> and the bellows are custom made for each application, thus the prices for
> small quantities are out of my reach. I'm sure there is a retail source
but
> I haven't found it. The ideal bellows would have a 3 to 4 inch flange on
one
> end and a collar at the other end to clamp to the push rod. The extension
of
> the bellows would have to be greater than the lock-to-lock throw of the
> control rod. Most of the bellows are impregnated with rubber or some
> synthetic material. Has anybody found such an animal? Thanks for the
help,
> again.
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8, Charlotte NC
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric Bellows for control rods |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Look in stick shift cars, especially slightly older japanese ones have
booths like that around the stick-shift.
Gert
Sam Buchanan wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
>
> Ronschreck99@aol.com wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com
>>
>>Listers, I'm trying to find some fabric bellows to slip over the control rods
>>to provide a seal around the bulkheads where the rods exit the cockpit. I
>>have found several manufacturers but they normally cater to large industry
>>and the bellows are custom made for each application, thus the prices for
>>small quantities are out of my reach. I'm sure there is a retail source but
>>I haven't found it. The ideal bellows would have a 3 to 4 inch flange on one
>>end and a collar at the other end to clamp to the push rod. The extension of
>>the bellows would have to be greater than the lock-to-lock throw of the
>>control rod. Most of the bellows are impregnated with rubber or some
>>synthetic material. Has anybody found such an animal? Thanks for the help,
>>again.
>>
>>Ron Schreck
>>RV-8, Charlotte NC
>>
>
>
> Ron, here is info on how to easily make your own pushrod boots:
>
> http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/cold.html
>
> Scroll about half-way down the page for the boots and a link for
> downloading a pattern.
>
> Sam Buchanan (1999 RV-6)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: >Re: VM-100 Cyl. Temp. Probe |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
Sorry , I was assuming you had the type probe which goes on the threaded end
of the spark plug. You apparently have the bayonet type probes which screw
into the Cyl. fin area.
I installed them on my friends RV-6A / O-360 and don't recall washers on
them. They do go ino the fins quite deep,and might require a socket wrench
which is ground flat on the open end.
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric Bellows for control rods |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
At 10:18 2003-01-25 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com
>
>Listers, I'm trying to find some fabric bellows to slip over the control rods
>to provide a seal around the bulkheads where the rods exit the cockpit. I
>have found several manufacturers but they normally cater to large industry
>and the bellows are custom made for each application, thus the prices for
>small quantities are out of my reach. I'm sure there is a retail source but
>I haven't found it. The ideal bellows would have a 3 to 4 inch flange on one
>end and a collar at the other end to clamp to the push rod. The extension of
>the bellows would have to be greater than the lock-to-lock throw of the
>control rod. Most of the bellows are impregnated with rubber or some
>synthetic material. Has anybody found such an animal? Thanks for the help,
>again.
>
>Ron Schreck
>RV-8, Charlotte NC
I would use the lightest weight fabric in order to avoid any resistance in
the aileron push-rod travel. While I'm sure sailcloth works well, isn't it
about 5 oz material? That sounds a little stiff. I would use a piece of
modern parachute fabric, 1.1 oz per sq yard rip-stop nylon and it is
calendared for zero porosity. Spend a few dimes more and get Zero-P which
has a silicone finish to it for long life. Very light weight which in this
instance translates into zero resistance to push-rod travel.
Here's one place that sells it, any parachute supply or rigging shop around
the country would be able to get it or have big enough pieces in the scrap bin.
http://www.paragear.com/ go to raw materials and look for the zero
porosity or ultra low porosity material (Soar Coat or F-111).
Use a hot knife to cut this stuff so it doesn't ravel out. An old
soldering iron works well.
Mike
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR
13B in gestation mode
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| Subject: | Fabric Bellows for control rods |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Norman" <jnorman@InterMapSystems.com>
The answer to this is at JC Whitney.
They have faux leather (vinyl) shift boots that are PERFECT. They are cheap,
pre-made, come with a little thin metal ring to attach... PERFECT. Don't go
with the bellows type of rubber, go with something much more forgiving in
all directions... simple vinyl in a 'cone' shape as depicted in several
photos and emails attached to this string.
jim
tampa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gert
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fabric Bellows for control rods
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Look in stick shift cars, especially slightly older japanese ones have
booths like that around the stick-shift.
Gert
Sam Buchanan wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
>
> Ronschreck99@aol.com wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com
>>
>>Listers, I'm trying to find some fabric bellows to slip over the control
rods
>>to provide a seal around the bulkheads where the rods exit the cockpit. I
>>have found several manufacturers but they normally cater to large industry
>>and the bellows are custom made for each application, thus the prices for
>>small quantities are out of my reach. I'm sure there is a retail source
but
>>I haven't found it. The ideal bellows would have a 3 to 4 inch flange on
one
>>end and a collar at the other end to clamp to the push rod. The extension
of
>>the bellows would have to be greater than the lock-to-lock throw of the
>>control rod. Most of the bellows are impregnated with rubber or some
>>synthetic material. Has anybody found such an animal? Thanks for the
help,
>>again.
>>
>>Ron Schreck
>>RV-8, Charlotte NC
>>
>
>
> Ron, here is info on how to easily make your own pushrod boots:
>
> http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/cold.html
>
> Scroll about half-way down the page for the boots and a link for
> downloading a pattern.
>
> Sam Buchanan (1999 RV-6)
>
>
--
is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric Bellows for control rods |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Eaves" <doneaves@midsouth.rr.com>
I used the sleeves off an old wind breaker jacket - Saved a lot of time
cutting out and sewing up - The drawings Sam Buchanan showed you has the
attach ring plans I used -
Worked great - Tested again yesterday on a trip to MEM - SKI - MEM -
14F on the ground - OAT needs moveing under the wing to read correct in
flight -
I'll Just Say It Was COLD!!!! My Heater Worked Fine -
Don Eaves
doneaves@midsouth.rr.com
RV 6 Flying 169 + Hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Ronschreck99@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Fabric Bellows for control rods
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com
>
> Listers, I'm trying to find some fabric bellows to slip over the control
rods
> to provide a seal around the bulkheads where the rods exit the cockpit. I
> have found several manufacturers but they normally cater to large industry
> and the bellows are custom made for each application, thus the prices for
> small quantities are out of my reach. I'm sure there is a retail source
but
> I haven't found it. The ideal bellows would have a 3 to 4 inch flange on
one
> end and a collar at the other end to clamp to the push rod. The extension
of
> the bellows would have to be greater than the lock-to-lock throw of the
> control rod. Most of the bellows are impregnated with rubber or some
> synthetic material. Has anybody found such an animal? Thanks for the
help,
> again.
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8, Charlotte NC
>
>
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| Subject: | Shift boots for Airleron Tubes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Norman" <jnorman@InterMapSystems.com>
As per my previous message, here are the $7.99 shift boots that are exactly
what you need... and what you would be making if you folowed the plans that
are floating around here somewhere (the plans are for a perfect solution,
but you can buy these instead of making them)
http://www.jcwhitney.com/product.jhtml?CATID=193309&BQ=jcw2
Jim
Tampa
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| Subject: | Re: Is Lightspeed Worth It? |
--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
Rob,
I put dual Lightspeeds on my -8A (not flying yet) and used the neat
crank-triggered pickup (lighter and more accurate than the pickups that
mount in the mag holes). There were several reasons I went this
route....the slight extra fuel savings, power, and smooth starts were
part of it, but IMHO these aren't the only advantages to the system.
Back yonder in my days of A&P wrench-turning, I spent my fair share of
time inspecting/fixing/overhauling mags. A local RV'er has had about 3
mag failures in 600 hrs (in all fairness, his mags weren't new to begin
with but either way, they'll give you trouble eventually...they wear out
like all mechanical things). Two of the biggest routine maintenance
items at 100 hr inspections was adjusting mag timing and cleaning/gapping
the heavy aircraft plugs. I didn't particularly enjoy doing either,
although it's not a big deal. The Lightspeed system appeals to me in
that it should be more maintenance free, and you can change all 8 plugs
in the engine for the price of one or two aviation plugs. They should be
less prone to lead-fouling and with the super hot spark, gapping becomes
a lot less critical. Another advantage to the Lightspeed system is a
weight savings, especially if you use the crank-triggered pickup. Klaus
Savier has the numbers, I can't recall exactly but it's several pounds.
Now the catch: with dual electronic ignition you have to make sure your
electrical system architecture is more robust. For me this compromise
was worthwhile since I also have an all-electric panel (no vac. system).
I have been planning to go with a dual alternator, single battery setup,
but very recently have been seriously thinking about single alternator,
dual battery. The pros and cons of each are a whole 'nuther discussion
better suited to the Aeroelectric List, but in short, the dual alternator
system provides more flexibility at higher cost, whereas the dual battery
system is cheaper and simpler, but still means you're running only on
battery power if the alternator quits. My thinking right now is to use a
B&C alternator which should be highly reliable, and have a 16 ah Odyssey
for the main battery (also highly reliable). My backup battery will be
1.3 ah and used only as an emergency backup to keep one ignition running
long enough to make the nearest airport (in the highly unlikely event
that both the alternator and main battery fail). The 1.3 ah battery
costs $9 and weighs 1 lb, so it doesn't hurt either the wallet or the
weight savings I realized by going dual electronic ignition.
Last comment....if you order your engine from Aerosport Power like I did,
they can set up the crank-trigger pickup for you and it doesn't cost much
more than mags. Putting the crank-triggered pickup on an assembled
engine is difficult or impossible in some cases, and you'll take a bigger
financial hit if you get a new engine from Vans or Superior and have to
sell the mags and buy the Lightspeeds....but even then, I suspect you'll
recoup the cost in fuel saving, maintenance and spark plugs within a year
or two....
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D finishing...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Miller" <rmill2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Is Lightspeed Worth It?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Miller <rmill2000@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi guys
>
> To all of you flying that have upgraded to the Lightspeed Ignition:
Would
> you do it again? Is it worth the money, the time, and effort to
replace
> the right mag?
>
> Thinking hard about this one.
>
> Rob Miller
> -8 N262RM "Bad Cat" 40 hrs.
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--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
FWIW, I have built my entire RV-8A airframe (that's with the
non-matched-hole fuselage) with a 9 V Makita. Works great, have two
batteries, always one ready when I need it. Don't even own an air drill
and can't really see why you'd want one for 99% of the jobs on these
prepunched kits. The extra hassle of hauling the air compressor hose
around is more trouble than it's worth. Once in a great while there's a
job where the extra speed/torque of an air drill would come in handy but
it has never held me up....
Just another data point to consider....
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D finishing...
>>Also, so that I don't have to stop working while waiting for a new
drill, has anyone used their Makita for any work?<<
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| Subject: | Wingtip mounting |
--> RV-List message posted by: BillRVSIX@aol.com
Hello IM getting ready to mount the wingtips IM going with the pop rivet
method and I was just wondering how others have done it. I am putting a 1/2
inch aluminum strip on the inside of the wingtip for backing for the pop
rivet and was wondering how other bounded the aluminum to the fiberglass.
Thanks
Bill Higgins
Pembroke Ma
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| Subject: | Re: Ammeter Shunt Locationnce |
--> RV-List message posted by: David Wentzell <wntzl@execpc.com>
Is there a potential problem with electrical interference from the
Ammeter Shunt mounted too close to the radio stack??
I was (am) going to mount it right underneath them on the sub panel
- but just thought I'd double check first.
Thanks,
David Wentzell
RV6 - Racine, WI
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| Subject: | Re: Ammeter Shunt Locationnce |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
None what so ever. The shunt is a very low resistance path for most of the
current to flow. A small. very small current goes thru the meter. The meter
deflection shows the relative amount of DC current that is flowing. Radio
noises are AC in nature.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Wentzell" <wntzl@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Ammeter Shunt Locationnce
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Wentzell <wntzl@execpc.com>
>
> Is there a potential problem with electrical interference from the
> Ammeter Shunt mounted too close to the radio stack??
> I was (am) going to mount it right underneath them on the sub panel
> - but just thought I'd double check first.
> Thanks,
> David Wentzell
> RV6 - Racine, WI
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: David Wentzell <wntzl@execpc.com>
Greetings,
In regards to mounting location, and orientation of Alt. Encoder -
Would I be correct in assuming that it doesn't matter as far as "right
side up" is concerned?
Thanks again,
David Wentzell - RV6
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtip mounting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick07x@earthlink.net>
Hello IM getting ready to mount the wingtips IM going with the pop rivet
method and I was just wondering how others have done it. I am putting a 1/2
inch aluminum strip on the inside of the wingtip for backing for the pop
rivet and was wondering how other bounded the aluminum to the fiberglass.
Thanks
Bill Higgins
Pembroke Ma
Bill,
Prosealing the aluminum strip makes for a strong bond. You
might consider using the (Cleveland) wing tip screw/nutplate kit to make
the tips removable.
Rick Galati
--- Rick Galati
--- rick07x@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: >Re:Ammeter Shunt Locations |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
I mounted the one in my friends RV-6A next to the master solenoid so I could
feed it with a copper bus . That way, no heavy wires to - from another
location,
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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| Subject: | Re: My 7A QB Kit arrived at Vans |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
I wasn't thinking of someone else getting your kit. I just don't know how
you'll get to sleep the next 16 nights. Do Not Archive. 8
) KABONG
From: "Karie Daniel" <karied4@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: My 7A QB Kit arrived at Vans
> This sort of talk makes me nervious! I know there are other 7 builders
> lurking out there that have been waiting. Well forget it, I made the nice
> lady at Vans walk out to the shipping container with my kit in and spray
> paint my name on it.
>
> Do not archive
>
> Karie
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@attbi.com>
Thanks to all for the advise. I've ordered the Taylor 2800rpm 1lb.4oz.
drill. It was $99 at Browns and seemed to have most of the qualities that
everyone said was most important for a long project. It's not the most
expensive but not the cheapest either so I'll see how it does. Now, since
UPS nor Fedex does Saturday deliveries to my house, I won't see it till
Monday and I can't stand to waste any more of a good Saturday working on
"house" stuff so I'm going to attempt to use my Makita (Just for the day
before anyone scolds me ;-)) so that I can do some airplane work today.
-Will Allen
North Bend, Wa
RV8 Emp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of czechsix@juno.com
Subject: Re: Re: RV-List: Air drills
--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
FWIW, I have built my entire RV-8A airframe (that's with the
non-matched-hole fuselage) with a 9 V Makita. Works great, have two
batteries, always one ready when I need it. Don't even own an air drill
and can't really see why you'd want one for 99% of the jobs on these
prepunched kits. The extra hassle of hauling the air compressor hose
around is more trouble than it's worth. Once in a great while there's a
job where the extra speed/torque of an air drill would come in handy but
it has never held me up....
Just another data point to consider....
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D finishing...
>>Also, so that I don't have to stop working while waiting for a new
drill, has anyone used their Makita for any work?<<
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric Bellows for control rods |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Bundy" <ebundy@velocitus.net>
Regular parachute fabric (f-111) is what I used on mine and it works great,
has no resistance to movement, and weighs virtually nothing. I had access
to some, but I also stumbled across it at Wal-Mart in their fabric section
for a buck a yard. Hard to beat that.
Ed Bundy
RV6a 550+ hours
> >Listers, I'm trying to find some fabric bellows to slip over the control
rods
> >to provide a seal around the bulkheads where the rods exit the cockpit.
I
> I would use the lightest weight fabric in order to avoid any resistance in
> the aileron push-rod travel. While I'm sure sailcloth works well, isn't
it
> about 5 oz material? That sounds a little stiff. I would use a piece of
> modern parachute fabric, 1.1 oz per sq yard rip-stop nylon and it is
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| Subject: | Re: >Re: Wingtip Mounting |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
We used West Systems epoxy with mill ends in the RV-6A. We used a 1 1/2"
X.025 aluminum strip and added a row of AN426AD 3-3.5 rivets along the edge
opposite the pop rivet/plate not holes. Epoxy before putting in these rivets.
I had a few pop rivets pull out of the tip on my first RV-4, The tip looked
like it was going to fall off. SLOW trip home !!
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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| Subject: | My 7A QB Kit arrived at Vans |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@attbi.com>
At least you guys don't have an office across the hallway from Karie. I get
to listen to how soon he's going to have his Quick Build Flying while I'm
still working on Fuel tanks or something for my wings :) I'll bet on what
ever will slow him down ;)
-Will Allen
North Bend, Wa
RV8 Emp (And no Quick Build kit on the way)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Starn
Subject: Re: RV-List: My 7A QB Kit arrived at Vans
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
I wasn't thinking of someone else getting your kit. I just don't know how
you'll get to sleep the next 16 nights. Do Not Archive. 8
) KABONG
From: "Karie Daniel" <karied4@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: My 7A QB Kit arrived at Vans
> This sort of talk makes me nervious! I know there are other 7 builders
> lurking out there that have been waiting. Well forget it, I made the nice
> lady at Vans walk out to the shipping container with my kit in and spray
> paint my name on it.
>
> Do not archive
>
> Karie
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| Subject: | Re: Is Lightspeed Worth It? |
--> RV-List message posted by: RICKRV6@aol.com
Mark,
I agree with everything you said. I used the same reasoning and did
basically the same thing. My only comment is the crank trigger is not that
difficult to install. I was a bit apprehensive at first but it really was
uneventful.
Rick McBride
RV-8 N523RJ
In a message dated 1/25/03 1:54:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
czechsix@juno.com writes:
> Rob,
>
> I put dual Lightspeeds on my -8A (not flying yet) and used the neat
> crank-triggered pickup (lighter and more accurate than the pickups that
> mount in the mag holes). There were several reasons I went this
> route....the slight extra fuel savings, power, and smooth starts were
> part of it, but IMHO these aren't the only advantages to the system.
> Back yonder in my days of A&P wrench-turning, I spent my fair share of
> time inspecting/fixing/overhauling mags. A local RV'er has had about 3
> mag failures in 600 hrs (in all fairness, his mags weren't new to begin
> with but either way, they'll give you trouble eventually...they wear out
> like all mechanical things). Two of the biggest routine maintenance
> items at 100 hr inspections was adjusting mag timing and cleaning/gapping
> the heavy aircraft plugs. I didn't particularly enjoy doing either,
> although it's not a big deal. The Lightspeed system appeals to me in
> that it should be more maintenance free, and you can change all 8 plugs
> in the engine for the price of one or two aviation plugs. They should be
> less prone to lead-fouling and with the super hot spark, gapping becomes
> a lot less critical. Another advantage to the Lightspeed system is a
> weight savings, especially if you use the crank-triggered pickup. Klaus
> Savier has the numbers, I can't recall exactly but it's several pounds.
> Now the catch: with dual electronic ignition you have to make sure your
> electrical system architecture is more robust. For me this compromise
> was worthwhile since I also have an all-electric panel (no vac. system).
> I have been planning to go with a dual alternator, single battery setup,
> but very recently have been seriously thinking about single alternator,
> dual battery. The pros and cons of each are a whole 'nuther discussion
> better suited to the Aeroelectric List, but in short, the dual alternator
> system provides more flexibility at higher cost, whereas the dual battery
> system is cheaper and simpler, but still means you're running only on
> battery power if the alternator quits. My thinking right now is to use a
> B&C alternator which should be highly reliable, and have a 16 ah Odyssey
> for the main battery (also highly reliable). My backup battery will be
> 1.3 ah and used only as an emergency backup to keep one ignition running
> long enough to make the nearest airport (in the highly unlikely event
> that both the alternator and main battery fail). The 1.3 ah battery
> costs $9 and weighs 1 lb, so it doesn't hurt either the wallet or the
> weight savings I realized by going dual electronic ignition.
>
> Last comment....if you order your engine from Aerosport Power like I did,
> they can set up the crank-trigger pickup for you and it doesn't cost much
> more than mags. Putting the crank-triggered pickup on an assembled
> engine is difficult or impossible in some cases, and you'll take a bigger
> financial hit if you get a new engine from Vans or Superior and have to
> sell the mags and buy the Lightspeeds....but even then, I suspect you'll
> recoup the cost in fuel saving, maintenance and spark plugs within a year
> or two....
>
> --Mark Navratil
> Cedar Rapids, Iowa
> RV-8A N2D finishing...
>
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| Subject: | RV-6 wing and tail kit for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
Fellow Listers,
One of our MN Wing members has decided to sell his RV-6 wing and empennage
kit. They are in
the quick-built stage at the present time. Fuel tanks were professionally
constructed by
Paul Irlbeck. Excellent craftsmanship. $5000. Call John Tangen at
715-386-9270 in
Hudson, WI or email at tang678@cs.com
Doug Weiler
Mn Wing
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| Subject: | Superior engine info |
--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
The following announcement was on EAA's electronic newsletter.
A New Plant for Superiors New Engine
A new, state-of-the-art manufacturing facility was announced recently by
Superior Air Parts for production of its new SP-360 engine, which the
company anticipates will receive FAA type certification in April 2003. The
new powerplant, targeted to new aircraft manufacturers, STC replacements for
the after-market, and kitbuilders, will be the first production piston
engine of its type to receive a type certificate in 46 years. The four
cylinder engine, incorporating the latest available improvements in
materials and technology, will come in 180 and 200 horsepower
configurations. The new facility will be located adjacent to Superiors
corporate headquarters located a mile north of Dallas/Ft. Worth
International Airport.
www.superiorairparts.com
Considering the recent and lenghty Superior engine thread, I thought I share
the info and ask a couple of additional questions.
I wonder if and how this might change their warranty and price. If you were
on the bubble to buy from Superior, would it be worth it to wait until after
it was certified and buy from them? What will this do to Bart's business
now that he builds Superiors only (if I heard right). Wouldn't most rather
buy from Superior to get a certified engine?
Well, this would hopefully negate any insurance company's excuse to charge
you more or deny coverage because you were using a Superior instead of a
Lycoming.
Finally and perhaps most importantly, I hope it forces Lycoming to reduce
their prices or up their technology offering.
Lucky Macy
N-188R reserved
8 wings and things
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without recourse.. |
SECURITY
--> RV-List message posted by: James Morison <morison@apl.washington.edu>
Thanks Cy and Chuck,
You inspired me to comment:
"I appreciate the need for tightened security in the war on terrorism,
but the infringement of civil liberties that a rule like this imposes
tells us the terrorists have already won; we are turning against our
country's principals. The framers of this rule should be ashamed of
themselves. By this rule, a citizen can be deprived of freedom and
livelihood without being told why, and without recourse though the
judicial system. This is universally unjust and clearly violates the 5th
Amendment of the Constitution, which states among other things that no
person will "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due
process of law". This rule must be amended to provide due process,
including fair disclosure and some form of judicial recourse."
I used the http://dms.dot.gov site exclusively. It was painless and
in the confirmation there the following message highlighted in red:
Please note that it is still
pending
formal review and processing by the DOT
docket staff.
There were only about 5 comments (all great) registered so far including
yours. I encourage everyone on the list to comment.
Jamie Morison
RV4, tail
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtip mounting |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 02:05 PM 1/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: BillRVSIX@aol.com
>
>Hello IM getting ready to mount the wingtips IM going with the pop rivet
>method and I was just wondering how others have done it. I am putting a 1/2
>inch aluminum strip on the inside of the wingtip for backing for the pop
>rivet and was wondering how other bounded the aluminum to the fiberglass.
I probably shouldn't confess to this but mine wingtips are still on with
truss head sheet metal screws. My plan is to use my 3/4 wide aluminum
strips with nutplates attached. I figured on attaching the strips to the
wingtip with rivets.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: >Re: Wingtip Mounting |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 04:48 PM 1/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
>
>We used West Systems epoxy with mill ends in the RV-6A. We used a 1 1/2"
>X.025 aluminum strip and added a row of AN426AD 3-3.5 rivets along the edge
>opposite the pop rivet/plate not holes. Epoxy before putting in these rivets.
Hell fer stout, eh? Why so severe, rivets and epoxy and why a 1 1/2" wide
strip? Mill ends?? Do you mean you have a row of rivets visible with the
wingtip on?
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric Bellows for control rods |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 02:34 PM 1/25/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Bundy" <ebundy@velocitus.net>
>
>Regular parachute fabric (f-111) ..... at Wal-Mart in their fabric section
>for a buck a yard.
How will we know f-111 when we see it???
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Superior engine info |
--> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com
A certified Superior engine through Aerosport or Mattuck will be no less
certified than a Lycoming purchased from the similar places like Lycon. As to
certification, it will increase the price no doubt but how much is difficult
to say. I also suspect the XP360 to continue to be available as is, could be
wrong. Since many people modify and hot rod their engines I see no reason to
purchase a certified engine and then decertify ipso-defacto (made that word
up--sounds good) by modifying it with non TC components like Lightspeed
ignition, high compression pistons, Airflow Performance injection, cylinder
porting, acro mods etc. It would be more practical to buy, if there is a cost
difference, the non certified engine for such purposes therefore this
"certified" Superior engine should have no direct bearing on my and possibly
your engine purchase other than to confuse--dare I say--the Insurance guru.
Do Not Archive. JR
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| Subject: | Re: Is Lightspeed Worth It? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
But, almost any mechanic at almost any airport can repair or replace your
mags if you have a problem - can you say the same about your Lightspeed? I
had a mag problem on the way to OSH 2 years ago and the FBO at the airport I
landed at in Kansas had all the parts in stock to fix it. I was on my way in
a couple of hours. I remember being very happy that I had a good old antique
Bendix!
The electronic ignitions have a lot going for them but I have a hard time
getting past the potential maintenance problem and the initial cost.
Dave
czechsix@juno.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
>
> Rob,
>
> I put dual Lightspeeds on my -8A (not flying yet) and used the neat
> crank-triggered pickup (lighter and more accurate than the pickups that
> mount in the mag holes). There were several reasons I went this
> route....the slight extra fuel savings, power, and smooth starts were
> part of it, but IMHO these aren't the only advantages to the system.
> Back yonder in my days of A&P wrench-turning, I spent my fair share of
> time inspecting/fixing/overhauling mags. A local RV'er has had about 3
> mag failures in 600 hrs (in all fairness, his mags weren't new to begin
> with but either way, they'll give you trouble eventually...they wear out
> like all mechanical things).
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Knoll" <tripodcat@msn.com>
Builders, I have a complete pre-punched wing kit that is still in Van's boxes.
Opened and inspected, but absolutely no work done. New kit from Van costs $4,300+.
Located in Greeley, CO. Make offer. Off List Please.
Bruce
tripodcat@msn.com
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| Subject: | Re: >Re: Wingtip Mounting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
I used the kit sold by Cleaveland Tool to attach my wing tips. With #4
screws it looks great. I decided to do that because I have the flush light
lens kit sold by Van's and I have the Whelen nav light / strobe combination
in there. I figured that if I had a problem with them, I could easily remove
the fairing for access and re-wire as required
The kit has soft rivets for attaching the nut-plates to the fiberglass and
no other spacers are required. It becomes pricey if you have to buy a #4
dimple die for the FH screws,but having a lathe, I made my own dies. For
this, I use old shock-absorber struts which are a good source of 1/2" dia
hard steel and can be obtained free from your friendly garage mech. (I only
made my own dies for the #4 and #8 FH screws. for the rest I used
Cleaveland's which many friends have said are the best.)
Cheers!!-------Henry Hore
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Is that an RV10 wing kit ;-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Knoll" <tripodcat@msn.com>
Subject: RV-List: For sale.
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Knoll" <tripodcat@msn.com>
>
> Builders, I have a complete pre-punched wing kit that is still in Van's
boxes. Opened and inspected, but absolutely no work done. New kit from Van
costs $4,300+. Located in Greeley, CO. Make offer. Off List Please.
>
> Bruce
> tripodcat@msn.com
>
>
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| Subject: | rv 6/6A wing kit for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Knoll" <tripodcat@msn.com>
Builders, I have a complete pre-punched wing kit that is still in Van's boxes.
Opened and inspected, but absolutely no work done. New kit from Van costs $4,300+.
Located in Greeley, CO. Make offer. Off List Please.
Bruce
tripodcat@msn.com
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| Subject: | Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without recourse.. |
SECURITY
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
> I used the http://dms.dot.gov site exclusively. It was painless and
> in the confirmation there the following message highlighted in red:
[snip]
I've submitted my comment. There were 5 others. Where's everyone else? I
know its easy to say "It'll never happen to ME" And you're probably right.
Still, I grew up believing that the right of due process was one of the
things that makes this country great. When a new government agency is
created and immediately starts taking things like that away without
justification -- well, I find it to be pretty scary stuff.
Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~450 hrs)
Portland, OR
www.vanshomewing.org
do not archive
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| Subject: | Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without recourse.. |
SECURITY
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" <bob@hassel-usa.com>
Sorry if I missed it but what's the docket number?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randall
Henderson
Subject: Re: RV-List: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without
recourse.. SECURITY
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
> I used the http://dms.dot.gov site exclusively. It was painless and
> in the confirmation there the following message highlighted in red:
[snip]
I've submitted my comment. There were 5 others. Where's everyone else? I
know its easy to say "It'll never happen to ME" And you're probably right.
Still, I grew up believing that the right of due process was one of the
things that makes this country great. When a new government agency is
created and immediately starts taking things like that away without
justification -- well, I find it to be pretty scary stuff.
Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~450 hrs)
Portland, OR
www.vanshomewing.org
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without recourse.. |
SECURITY
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wes" <whays@camalott.com>
Thanks James, I just commented on this and hope all other interested parties
will also.
Wes Hays
Winters, TX
"The Laws of Aerodynamics are unforgiving and the ground is hard."
Michael Collins (1987)
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Morison" <morison@apl.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without
recourse.. SECURITY
> --> RV-List message posted by: James Morison <morison@apl.washington.edu>
>
> Thanks Cy and Chuck,
>
> You inspired me to comment:
>
> "I appreciate the need for tightened security in the war on terrorism,
> but the infringement of civil liberties that a rule like this imposes
> tells us the terrorists have already won; we are turning against our
> country's principals. The framers of this rule should be ashamed of
> themselves. By this rule, a citizen can be deprived of freedom and
> livelihood without being told why, and without recourse though the
> judicial system. This is universally unjust and clearly violates the 5th
> Amendment of the Constitution, which states among other things that no
> person will "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due
> process of law". This rule must be amended to provide due process,
> including fair disclosure and some form of judicial recourse."
>
> I used the http://dms.dot.gov site exclusively. It was painless and
> in the confirmation there the following message highlighted in red:
> Please note that it is still
> pending
> formal review and processing by the DOT
> docket staff.
>
> There were only about 5 comments (all great) registered so far including
> yours. I encourage everyone on the list to comment.
>
>
> Jamie Morison
> RV4, tail
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without recourse.. |
SECURITY
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
NPRM 2003-14293
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Hassel" <bob@hassel-usa.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without
recourse.. SECURITY
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" <bob@hassel-usa.com>
>
> Sorry if I missed it but what's the docket number?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randall
> Henderson
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without
> recourse.. SECURITY
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
>
> > I used the http://dms.dot.gov site exclusively. It was painless and
> > in the confirmation there the following message highlighted in red:
> [snip]
>
> I've submitted my comment. There were 5 others. Where's everyone else? I
> know its easy to say "It'll never happen to ME" And you're probably right.
> Still, I grew up believing that the right of due process was one of the
> things that makes this country great. When a new government agency is
> created and immediately starts taking things like that away without
> justification -- well, I find it to be pretty scary stuff.
>
> Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~450 hrs)
> Portland, OR
> www.vanshomewing.org
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric Bellows for control rods |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Bundy" <ebundy@velocitus.net>
Good point. It's a very thin, somewhat sheer, solid color nylon that when
you look closely has what appears to be slightly larger threads running at
90 degree angles to each other that make up small (maybe 1/8 - 1/4"?)
squares.
I was surprised that Wal-mart even carried it. It may not be *real* f-111,
although I've been skydiving for 20 years and I can't tell it from the real
stuff. I don't think I'd make a parachute out of it, but it works great in
this application.
> How will we know f-111 when we see it???
>
>
> K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
> RV6-a N7HK flying!
> PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "MORGAN HETRICK" <morgan@heifercreek.com>
For what airplane?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Knoll" <tripodcat@msn.com>
Subject: RV-List: For sale.
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Knoll" <tripodcat@msn.com>
>
> Builders, I have a complete pre-punched wing kit that is still in Van's
boxes. Opened and inspected, but absolutely no work done. New kit from Van
costs $4,300+. Located in Greeley, CO. Make offer. Off List Please.
>
> Bruce
> tripodcat@msn.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Carpet attachment? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Randall;
Yes, you are absolutely right - "a pound here and a pound there" will
quickly add up with all that implies for AUW, wing loading, takeoff
performance, climb performance, ceiling, drag during cruise, stall speed and
other things. And I have been reasonably carefully to do the usual weight
saving tricks with lots of lightening holes cut as per the plans, low end
instruments and avionics (saves $$ and some weight), and a simple paint job
to again save weight.
However I was congratulating myself about how well I was doing in the
weight department one day when I dropped one of the main gear legs and it
pivoted neatly in the wheel bearing and the socket end landed squarely on my
toe. This hurt like $%
&* and brought home to me how heavy the gear legs on
a -6A are. Makes all those hours cutting and cleaning up lightening holes to
save an ounce here and there look a bit silly.
Aircraft design (like life) is full of compromises and so I think that Van
and his staff looked at the trade off between light, flimsy gear legs and
heavy, durable ones and made a reasoned choice based on the need for a
strong gear balanced against the probable performance gain from saving 20-15
pounds of weight (and probably also considerations of cost, manufacturing
ease, future maintenance effort, resistance to errors in installation by
amateur builders, and so on) and came up with the current gear leg design as
the best compromise solution.
Same with my sub floor material. I went over this decision for awhile
thinking of all the alternatives including .032 aluminum sheet and a few
others and finally decided that a hardboard subfloor offered the best
compromise of weight, durability, cost, ease of installation, etc. Custom
made fiberglass honeycomb core panels would probably be the best and
lightest possible solution but alas were not something I felt like pursuing
at this time for reasons of cost, time, and available facilities.
Likewise my sleeping pad insulation. I haven't flame tested it but figure
its a good compromise for its purpose and besides will spend its life
sandwiched between a sheet aluminum floor and a hardboard/carpet top
surface.
Others will look at the same situations and likely arrive at a different
solution based on a different weighing of the relevant factors. That's the
fun of homebuilding and why nominally similar designs can end up so
different looking and performing in the end.
Jim Oke
RV-6A
Winnipeg, MB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Carpet attachment?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
>
> > Good question - but I haven't weighed the hardboard (the only real
> > increment over sticking carpet to the bare floor) so I cannot say for
> sure.
> [snip]
>
> Hardboard. Hmmm. I'd really reconsider that one. A few pounds here, a few
> pounds there, eventually you end up like me with 37 POUNDS worth of
interior
> panels, seats, carpets, etc. -- and that's WITHOUT any hardboard! Ever
since
> I stuck that heavy (but admittedly very pretty and comfy) interior in my
> plane, I've spent a lot of time trying to trim ounces off wherever I can.
> It's not that I want to haul a lot of baggage around. But every extra
pound
> really does rob the plane of some of its crisp, snappy flying qualities.
>
> Take those floorboards for example -- why not just use .032 AL? It may
seem
> kind of thin for standing on, but think about it -- there's carpet on the
> top and insulation underneath to support -- shoot, .025 would probably
even
> work.
>
> I recommend reading Don Wentzs' missive "An Aviordupois Dilemma", in the
> RVator (3rd issue 2002.) Good wisdom from a guy who's had firsthand
> experience with both a heavy and light RV.
>
> Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~450 hrs)
> Portland, OR
> www.vanshomewing.org
>
> PS. have you flame-tested that sleeping pad? : - }
>
>
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