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1. 05:07 AM - Re: Vertical Stab ?s (Dana Overall)
2. 05:52 AM - Re: Vertical Stab ?s (Wier, Daniel C.)
3. 06:03 AM - Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without recourse (Rick Galati)
4. 06:31 AM - Re: Superior engine info (John Helms)
5. 06:39 AM - Re: Superior engine info (John Helms)
6. 06:45 AM - Re: Superior engine info (John Helms)
7. 06:49 AM - Re: Vertical Stab ?s (Ed)
8. 07:15 AM - Re: Be Aware Faa can pull anyones license without recourse (Rick Galati)
9. 07:18 AM - Re: Fun Friday Ramblings (Van Artsdalen, Scott)
10. 07:28 AM - Re: Is Lightspeed Worth It? (Van Artsdalen, Scott)
11. 07:50 AM - Re: Drilling Cowl Hinges (Mark Phillips)
12. 08:06 AM - Knock sensor? (was: Is Lightspeed Worth It?) (Bill Dube)
13. 08:23 AM - Skybold alternatives (Knicholas2@aol.com)
14. 08:38 AM - control rod boots (Frazier, Vincent A)
15. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: Be Aware Faa can pull anyones license without recourse (Doug Rozendaal)
16. 09:00 AM - Re: Skybold alternatives (Van Artsdalen, Scott)
17. 10:44 AM - Re: Superior engine info (JRWillJR@aol.com)
18. 11:42 AM - Re: Knock sensor? (was: Is Lightspeed Worth It?) (Tom)
19. 11:52 AM - FAA/TSA rule 14293 (Was: Beware...) (T Bronson)
20. 11:57 AM - Off topis BUT funny.... (John Starn)
21. 12:17 PM - Re: FAA/TSA rule 14293 (RV_8 Pilot)
22. 12:38 PM - Re: Skybold alternatives (Knicholas2@aol.com)
23. 12:57 PM - Fw: FAA/TSA rule 14293 (Was: Beware...) (C. Rabaut)
24. 01:36 PM - Re: Vertical Stab ?s (Wier, Daniel C.)
25. 03:01 PM - Re: FAA/TSA rule 14293 (Dr. Kevin P. Leathers)
26. 04:16 PM - Re: Hi--Insurance, does this ever end (JRWillJR@aol.com)
27. 04:31 PM - Re: Vertical Stab ?s (davepetrv6@comcast.net)
28. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: Hi--Insurance, does this ever end (Gert)
29. 05:09 PM - Re: Re: Be Aware Faa can pull anyones license without (Brian Armstrong)
30. 05:10 PM - Re: FAA/TSA rule 14293 (Brian Armstrong)
31. 05:22 PM - Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without recourse.. SECURITY (Kysh)
32. 05:44 PM - Re: Superior engine info (Jerry)
33. 07:02 PM - Aileron Bellcranks (Ross Scroggs)
34. 07:36 PM - Re: Aileron Bellcranks (Jim Norman)
35. 11:32 PM - Re: Drilling Cowl Hinges (Gary)
36. 11:32 PM - Re: Is Lightspeed Worth It? (Gary)
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Stab ?s |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Scott,
The problem you are having with the tight fit has to do with the powder
coating on the 410 squeezing that hole down ever so slightly. The silvers
are for #40 drilled holes and the bronze/gold colored are for #30 drilled
holes. Look on your plans for the rivet callout for that hole. In this
case it is calling for a AN426AD4-7. The number 4 before the -7 is a
represents a rivet that fits in a hole final drilled to a #30 size. Drill
the 410, 411 and 412 along with the 808 doubler clecoed to the rear spar
803. You want all this stuff clecoed together so you final drill it as a
unit. The initial holes are undersized to help initial alignment.
The holes requiring the silver clecos are pre punch to a #42 size and get
final drilled to a slightly larger #40 size, thereby giving you that tight
initial cleco fit.
Read, read, read, cleco, read, read and then final drill.
My process for priming is remove inner blue plastic, cleco, final drill,
remove plastic, deburr, dimple then prime.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
>From: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Vertical Stab ?s
>Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:40:59 -0500 (EST)
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
>
>
>All,
>
>I apologize in advance for what I know are incredibly stupid questions:
>
>1) What is the quickest way to identify the right clecos to use? How tight
>should they fit? When clecoing the VS410PP to the VS808PP, it appears that
>the silver clecos are too loose and the gold are too tight. I'm thinking
>that the gold should be correct...do I need to drill out the 410, 411, and
>412 first to get them to fit?
>
>2) What is the sequence most have used in priming?
>A) Cleco, remove plastic, drill, then prime
>B) Remove plastic, cleco, drill, prime
>C) Remove plastic, prime, cleco, drill
>
>3) I think I am sold on the Sherwin Williams primer that Vans uses on the
>Quickbuild, but I do not recall the name. I believe it is a self-washing
>primer? Model 9 something? I have the new HVLP gun all rearing to go.
>
>Thanks,
>Scott Haskins
>RV7A Emp
>
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| Subject: | Vertical Stab ?s |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wier, Daniel C." <daniel@thegreatwhite.net>
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| Subject: | Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without recourse |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick07x@earthlink.net>
Listers,
The following text was submitted to http://dms.gov for comment relevant to the
odious FAA-2003-14293. I urge all interested fliers to go on record and
make their views publicly known in response to this unannounced and scary
example of ill-conceived rule making.
It is interesting to note that like submitting a letter to the editor, the
powers-that-be and in control of the comment process will ultimately decide
if this view becomes part of the record. We shall see.
The price of "security" is paid for in the currency of our hard-won
constitutional rights. Such a price can only be rightly negotiated with the free
will and consent of the governed. To arbitrarily suspend the rights of
free people by official or anonymous fiat is to invite unrest. In the name of
"security", the current administration has demonstrated a profound willingness
to quickly and without prior notice suspend the freedoms Americans have always
considered bed rock to our experience. This is sad and most unwise.
The framers of docket no. FAA-2003-14293 should be made to come forward,
identify themselves to the electorate, and explain how the details of this
act came to be. How many agencies of the U.S. Government participated in this
rule and why? Real people with real names and real lives and jobs created this
rule. Who are they? Is it not apparent that the harder we strive for
"security", the less secure we ultimately feel? The affect of rules like
FAA-2003-14293 demonstrate to America's enemies that they can indeed "win". By
slowly eroding the ideals of liberty and the pursuit of happiness by containing
ever more chunks of human experience into ever growing regulatory boxes of
containment, we make it easier for the enemies of freedom both in and out of
this country to wage war and the unfortunate paradox of all this is the harder
we try to regulate ourselves to enhance "security", the more restrictive a
society we become. I strongly urge the immediate revocation of
FAA-2003-14293 as a step in the right direction, and not let a state of
perpetual fear crystallize into a numbing way of life. Our government should
work as diligently to broaden our individual freedoms, not take them away
because expending efforts in a negative direction to enhance our collective
"security" will only discourage people from realizing their full potential. Is
this current climate of ill-considered policy making a price worth paying? I for
one (freely at the moment) assert absolutely
not.
--- Rick Galati
--- rick07x@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Superior engine info |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Insurance underwriters can read, but just because an engine manufacturer
puts out nice ads, and information about what their engine is supposed to be
able to do, doesn't mean that they will insure it.
And btw - to JR - I am not confused about these engines. I am trying to
"unconfuse" (made that word up, sounds good though) you and everyone here
about insurance issues like this one.
Insurance companies like to have data with which to predict future losses,
so that they can accurately assign premium to the risk so that they can make
money, and not lose it. There aren't very many of these engines out there
(compared to Continental's and Lycomings.) So the companies aren't as
likely to insure them due to lack of data.
If you take a Superior engine, and add lightspeed to it, I would guess that
if the crankshaft broke in flight, that Superior and their products
insurance would cover the loss. (you didn't alter anything re: the crank).
As I have said before, this product liability coverage is a big issue for
the light aircraft insurance companies. It provides the potential for them
to recoup losses if they are caused by manufacturers defects in the engine.
John "JT" Helms
Branch Manager
NationAir Insurance Agency
Pleasure and Business Branch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eustace Bowhay" <ebowhay@jetstream.net>
Subject: RV-List: Superior engine info
--> RV-List message posted by: "Eustace Bowhay" <ebowhay@jetstream.net>
Bart Lalonde of Aero Sport Power dropped in for a visit a couple a days ago
and we got on the subject of the recent thread on the RV-list.
Aero Sport Engines are built entirely from certified parts including the
case. The only items not certified would be an accessory such as electronic
ignition if requested by the buyer.
Many of the certified parts now available for these engines are
improvements over the older ones and contribute to a better overall engine
and greater safety.
I can assure anyone that safety is Aero Sport's top priority, I am running
two of them.
If the insurance companies are having a problem with any of these engines it
would seem to me that they are not keeping up to the times. They could refer
to this months advertisement on page 43 in Sport Aviation by Superior Air
Parts which lists the improvements available by using these parts.
Eustace Bowhay Blind Bay, B.C.
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| Subject: | Re: Superior engine info |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
I emailed Van and Tom Green (GM of Van's) last week. Over three years ago,
one of the things that Van and the insurance underwriter agreed upon was
that they wanted to insure Lycoming engines (not auto engines.... XP 360s
weren't around yet.) The way the insurance company decided to word that (in
internal underwriting notes) was that they only insured those engines that
Van's recommended. I asked if there was any chance of them recommending
Superior (the answer was basically, no).
Superiors are not Lycomings (don't flame me, I agree it is likely better, JR
seems to think I am fighting on the other side, but I am not sure if he
reads my posts fully, I am trying to get these engines accepted by the
insurance companies.)
I did, however, have a talk with the new decision maker at Phoenix (not the
original underwriter that set up the program with NationAir) and he seemed
very interested in these Superior engines. He was on the road, and is going
to research them a little bit, and let me know this week (hopefully, he's
very busy.) I will certainly post his answer when I have it.
I have polled the other insurance companies (the most competitive ones on
RV's anyway.... AIG and EAA's program) and neither of them are doing
(intentionally) Superior engine powered RV's. That may change if Phoenix
changes it's mind. We'll see. I hope so.
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Superior engine info
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Along these same line I spoke to Van about this at breakfast yesterday
morning. We got to talking about the insurance topic on the RV-List
and his comment was that it was news to him that they were not wanting
to insure these other engines. He said that he was asked about the XP
engines and his only comment to them was that he had no experience
himself with one of these engines. I believe JT that he said it was
you that had asked him.(I could be wrong about that)He said that
the insurance program they are involved in came about because the
insurance company came to him to set this program up, he did not
seek them out. He certainly does not, and is not advocating any RV
be denied insurance because of engine type, although I believe that most
everyone know his feelings about auto engines. I am trying to be a
little bit vague here because I did not have is permission to repeat
anything he said. (I should have asked for it)
Jerry
do not archive
Eustace Bowhay wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Eustace Bowhay" <ebowhay@jetstream.net>
>
> Bart Lalonde of Aero Sport Power dropped in for a visit a couple a days
ago and we got on the subject of the recent thread on the RV-list.
>
> Aero Sport Engines are built entirely from certified parts including the
case. The only items not certified would be an accessory such as electronic
ignition if requested by the buyer.
>
> Many of the certified parts now available for these engines are
improvements over the older ones and contribute to a better overall engine
and greater safety.
>
> I can assure anyone that safety is Aero Sport's top priority, I am running
two of them.
>
> If the insurance companies are having a problem with any of these engines
it would seem to me that they are not keeping up to the times. They could
refer to this months advertisement on page 43 in Sport Aviation by Superior
Air Parts which lists the improvements available by using these parts.
>
> Eustace Bowhay Blind Bay, B.C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Superior engine info |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
The agents recommendation means squat.
What we are talking about here is underwriters and what they will and will
not do. I have been talking with the heads of the light aircraft divisions
of these companies.
I am Global's (EAA program underwriter) largest agent.
I am AIG's third largest agent.
If they don't want to write something, they won't even for me.
What HAS been happening, is that agents out there have ignored the issue (in
my opinion to the possible detriment to their customers.) As I have said, I
even insure some RV's with Superior engines (I just found out that Bart was
pretty much only doing Superior engines now... I thought he was reman'ing
Lyc.'s.) But, if an agent has misrepresented the aircraft's powerplant to
the insurance company, it could be a difficult claim. Not saying they won't
pay it. Just saying it could be messy.
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Superior engine info
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Eustace Bowhay wrote:
<snip>
> I can assure anyone that safety is Aero Sport's top priority, I am running
two of them.
>
> If the insurance companies are having a problem with any of these engines
it would seem to me that they are not keeping up to the times.
<snip>
Eustace, I couldn't agree more. I think when the dust settles on this
issue, we are going to find out that a great deal of "Wolf!" has been
screamed on this list about the questionable insurability of the
Superior/Aerosport engines, and that the vast majority of insurance
agents will have no problems recommending full coverage for their
customers who have these fine engines.
Sam Buchanan
"The RV Journal" http://thervjournal.com
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Stab ?s |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed" <ebuck@acc-net.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wier, Daniel C." <daniel@thegreatwhite.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Vertical Stab ?s
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Wier, Daniel C."
<daniel@thegreatwhite.net>
>
>
Tm8gUHJvYmxlbSwgSSBhbSBzdXJlIEkgd2lsbCBhc2sgQUxPVCBvZiBkdW1iIHF1ZXN0aW9ucyBm
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cm9tIHlvdSBhcyB3ZWxsLiAgVGhpcyBpcyB3aGF0IEkgZGlkIG9uIG15IHZlcnRpY2FsIHN0YWIg
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KHdpY2ggSSBqdXN0IGZpbmlzaGVkIG9uIHNhdHVyZGF5KSwgDQoxLiBjbGVjbyB0aGUgd2hvbGUg
>
Kindly fix your program; if this is a private encrypted message, please keep
it off the RV list. Thank you,
Ed
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| Subject: | Re: Be Aware Faa can pull anyones license without recourse |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick07x@earthlink.net>
The government web site I previously posted was missing a
component. It is http://dms.dot.gov Many thanks to Jamie
Morison for providing the link.
--- Rick Galati
--- rick07x@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Fun Friday Ramblings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts@unionsafe.com>
My problem is with the cape. Keeps getting tangled around the rear stick!
Do not archive!
-----Original Message-----
From: C. Rabaut [mailto:crabaut@coalinga.com]
Subject: Fw: RV-List: Fun Friday Ramblings
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Hey Scott... you told me "ALL RV-4 Pilots" had to paint these big red "S"'s
on our chest... now how am I gonna get this off?
----- Original Message -----
From: Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Fun Friday Ramblings
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> >From: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
> >At 07:53 PM 1/23/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
> >
> >You are wrong! I, for one, have benefited from this discussion.
> >Use your delete key.
> >
> >
> >K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
>
> JT, I hate chiming in on things like this but I, and apparently many,
> appreciate your insight into this discussion. It is related to RVs, as
> opposed to what some may think. I may not agree with insurance but it is
a
> nessesary evil.
>
> BTW gang, my Bonanza insurance is right at what we are paying for RV
> insurance and that is based on the low high performance/complex time my
> partner has. The quotes, if you covered (sorry JT:-) seem reasonable.
>
> OH, while I'm stirring stink...............I'll compare a nosewheel to the
> face mask on a football helmet.........It's an improvement on something
> outdated/old/ingrained/traditional (what else can I stir with). All you
> nosedragger guys, properly landing a tailwheel is no for difficult than
> properly landing a nosewheel, the key word is properly. Besides, they
don't
> paint a red S on the chest of the tailwheel gang.
>
> All in fun gang, remember it is Fun Friday!!
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Is Lightspeed Worth It? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts@unionsafe.com>
It won't matter Rob. My -4 will still be faster!
:-) :-)
-- The guy from Hangar 108
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Miller [mailto:rmill2000@yahoo.com]
Subject: RV-List: Is Lightspeed Worth It?
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Miller <rmill2000@yahoo.com>
Hi guys
To all of you flying that have upgraded to the Lightspeed Ignition: Would
you do it again? Is it worth the money, the time, and effort to replace
the right mag?
Thinking hard about this one.
Rob Miller
-8 N262RM "Bad Cat" 40 hrs.
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| Subject: | Re: Drilling Cowl Hinges |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
Harry- after sleepin' on it, I remembered that I drilled & clecoed all
of the rear hinges (top & sides) and had pilot holes drilled & clecoed
for the screws behind the spinner before tackling final fit between
upper & lower halves. And drill the horizontal hinges to the BOTTOM
cowl first- I doubt you could get the top half back in place if the
hinge was on it! Drawing #63 sections N-N & P-P show slant of the
hinge. - Mark
Mark Phillips wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
>
> Howdy Harry- Just did this, so I am "feelin' yer pain!" -The firewall
> hinges are already drilled and clecoed to the firewall flanges (dealers
> choice as far as method- I went with the standard hinges everywhere but
> the bottom- using screws there, six on either side of the air outlet).
> Keep all the rear hinges (both halves with the pins in place) clecoed to
> the firewall with a strip of duct tape on the back side of the hinge,
> end to end, locking the hinges flat. This prevents the hinge from
> pivoting and holds the cowl side half in position for drilling. (The
> horizontal hinges on the sides can be taped the same way to hold them in
> position- use thin strips of duct tape so you don't cover the rivet
> holes!) I drilled the top hinges first with the rear edge of the cowl
> trimmed & trimmed again to align with the top forward skin and set to
> the proper height at the rear spinner plate. It sounds like this is
> about where you are right now.
>
> Once this is done, go ahead and drill the top side hinges to the cowl
> OFF of the fuselage (with the lower half of the hinge pinned & duct
> taped to the uppers) following the dimensions in the manual (higher at
> the back, lower at the front- check the drawing). With the hinge now
> drilled and clecoed to the top half and the top cowl held in final
> position, (and the bottom cowl trimmed to a fairly accurate match to the
> top along both the horizontal joining line and the rear) and with some
> fairly bright lights shining from the inside of the cowl to show the
> holes in the hinges, start drilling the lower half of the side hinges
> til done, then the lower verticals. (if you are doing this right (at
> least by my amatuer estimation!) you will have placed the cowl halves in
> position, measured, removed, trimmed, replaced, marked again, removed,
> trimmed etc. many times until you are happy with the fit!)
>
> This worked fairly well for me although I am a little miffed that I've
> got a little wider gap between the cowling and the side skin than I'd
> like-(damn- there goes that award!!) but it's the first time I've ever
> attempted such a thing so whadduyah expect?!?!
>
> If this confuses you further, please disregard- otherwise, contact me
> off list and we'll talk about it...
>
> From The PossumWorks in TN
>
> Mark
>
> HCRV6@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
>>
>>OK Listers, I admit it, I'm missing something pretty simple I guess because
>>no one ever mentions this in discussions about the cowl. I'm ready to drill
>>the vertical and horizontal hinges that attach the bottom cowl to the top
>>cowl and fuselage and I do not understand how to hold the hinge halves in
>>place against the cowl halves while drilling them. It seems to me that it
>>requires a triple jointed contortionist with extremely long thin arms to be
>>able to reach in through the front to hold them. There must be a better way,
>>what am I missing here?
>>
>>Harry Crosby
>>Pleasanton, California
>>RV-6, starting firewall forward
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Knock sensor? (was: Is Lightspeed Worth It?) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
> I have
>played around at cruise by shutting it down and going back to 25 degree
>magneto advance, and have noted a two to three knot reduction in
>airspeed, and a large drop in EGT. What I will do on the next long
>cross country is to set up some carefully leaned settings with the LASAR
>on, then shut down the LASAR and reset power and leaning to get the same
>IAS.
Do any of these systems have knock sensors?
On automotive systems, the computer uses a knock sensor to
determine to optimal timing. The computer slowly advances the timing until
the knock sensor triggers. It then quickly retards the timing a touch and
then starts slowing advancing it again, and so on.
The reason that they do this is that the ideal timing setting is
just shy of knocking. This is the best for both fuel economy and for
emissions.
I was wondering if any of the after-market ignition systems for
aircraft did it this way.
Regardless, I would think that a knock sensor with a warning light
would be prudent if you are going to monkey with the timing.
Bill Dube'
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| Subject: | Skybold alternatives |
--> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com
I have heard some ugly things about the price and service of the Skybolt
fasteners to attach the cowling. Can someone offer SPECIFIC part numbers of
Camlocks (from Spruce et. al.) as an alternative.
Thanks!
Kim Nicholas
RV9A
Seattle - cowling.....
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| Subject: | control rod boots |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Try the sleeves from a tyvek painter's coveralls. Light, tough, and almost the
right shape already.
Vince
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| Subject: | Re: Be Aware Faa can pull anyones license without recourse |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
It gets worse!!!
This is a clip from an AP story on Yahoo about the Mid-Air in Denver. If we
sit idle they will strip away our rights one by one. Write your
Congressman, Senator, go see them when they are home on breaks at town
meetings, let them know that we will not stand for shredding our
Constitution!
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
"Denver Mayor Wellington Webb also planned to meet with Secretary of
Transportation Norman Mineta (news - web sites) to discuss whether tighter
flight restrictions should be enforced in the area, said mayoral spokesman
Andrew Hudson.
According to residents of the area, about a half mile from the Denver
Broncos' football stadium, there was another collision in same area in 1974
that sent two other planes to the ground, killing four people."
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| Subject: | Skybold alternatives |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts@unionsafe.com>
This is the exact question I once asked that got Skybolt REALLY mad at me.
-----Original Message-----
From: Knicholas2@aol.com [mailto:Knicholas2@aol.com]
Subject: RV-List: Skybold alternatives
--> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com
I have heard some ugly things about the price and service of the Skybolt
fasteners to attach the cowling. Can someone offer SPECIFIC part numbers of
Camlocks (from Spruce et. al.) as an alternative.
Thanks!
Kim Nicholas
RV9A
Seattle - cowling.....
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| Subject: | Re: Superior engine info |
--> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com
In a message dated 1/27/2003 8:32:42 AM Central Standard Time, jhelms@i1.net
writes:
> There aren't very many of these engines out there
> (compared to Continental's and Lycomings.) So the companies aren't as
> likely to insure them due to lack of data.
No, you are terribly confused, there are plenty of these Superior and ECi
engines out there. They have been in the PMA business for many years and many
rebuilt Lycomings and Continentals are chock full of Superior or ECi parts or
both. Frankly I do not care what Vans says about them, I am the manufacture
and that is what I am using. Further, I spoke to some insurance people again,
they had some comments about you I will not repeat here. Seems like you are
making a name for yourself if that is what you intended. Do Not Archive. JR
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| Subject: | Re: Knock sensor? (was: Is Lightspeed Worth It?) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom" <turbotom@mindspring.com>
>>Do any of these systems have knock sensors?<<
Ah! Here's one to which I am qualified to have an opinion!
The magnostrictive coil [essentially a single-frequency microphone] that we
call a "knock sensor" works fairly well on a nice close-tolerance
liquid-cooled engine, but is quite overwhelmed by the background noise on
most aircooled engines. In some cases, even just the noise from a solid
lifter [vs hydraulic lifter] cam is enough to render the sensor useless.
TT
ATL
RV-8 tail built, waiting on the QB kit.
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| Subject: | FAA/TSA rule 14293 (Was: Beware...) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "T Bronson" <bipetype@hotmail.com>
Hi Folks,
I just paid a visit to:
http://dms.dot.gov
to leave my two cents worth. It's a piece of cake. Go the the site, click
on "Simple Search," enter 14293 in the docket number window, and you can
read all about it, including the comments that have been submitted (you'll
recognize some names from this list). Click on the comments button, and
leave them your thoughts.
Thanks you those of you who have commented on the rule. For those who
haven't, if you can squeeze a few mouse clicks and keystrokes in, it might
do some good in preserving your freedoms.
Tim - Pittsburgh
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<tomgoe@earthlink.net>, "JOE FITZGERALD" <jjkfitz@aol.com>,
<SEERONFLY@aol.com>
| Subject: | Off topis BUT funny.... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Warning...Warning...Humor Alert...Off Topic.....Delete Now...
Do Not Archive
There was a cartoon in my local paper today. What follows is the words from
same.
WHY DOES A CHICKEN COOP HAVE TWO DOORS ?
'CAUSE IF THEY HAD FOUR DOORS IT WOULD BE A CHICKEN SEDAN.
(thanks to B.C. and Peg Leg)
Sorry 'bout that. KABONG
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| Subject: | Re: FAA/TSA rule 14293 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
How long does it take to have a comment entered show up on the listing?
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
do not archive
>Hi Folks,
>
>I just paid a visit to:
>
> http://dms.dot.gov
>
>to leave my two cents worth. It's a piece of cake. Go the the site, click
>on "Simple Search," enter 14293 in the docket number window, and you can
>read all about it, including the comments that have been submitted (you'll
>recognize some names from this list). Click on the comments button, and
>leave them your thoughts.
>
>Thanks you those of you who have commented on the rule. For those who
>haven't, if you can squeeze a few mouse clicks and keystrokes in, it might
>do some good in preserving your freedoms.
>
>Tim - Pittsburgh
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skybold alternatives |
--> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com
In a message dated 1/27/2003 9:02:02 AM Pacific Standard Time,
svanarts@unionsafe.com writes:
<< This is the exact question I once asked that got Skybolt REALLY mad at me.
>>
To be fair - I finally ordered the fasteners from Skybolt. The guy I talked
to was very helpful and friendly. I have no complaint - so far.
Kim Nicholas
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | FAA/TSA rule 14293 (Was: Beware...) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
You'll only see the "Best Folks" posting their thoughts on this matter.
Please take a few moments and post your opinion.
Chuck
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: T Bronson <bipetype@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: FAA/TSA rule 14293 (Was: Beware...)
> --> RV-List message posted by: "T Bronson" <bipetype@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I just paid a visit to:
>
> http://dms.dot.gov
>
> to leave my two cents worth. It's a piece of cake. Go the the site,
click
> on "Simple Search," enter 14293 in the docket number window, and you can
> read all about it, including the comments that have been submitted (you'll
> recognize some names from this list). Click on the comments button, and
> leave them your thoughts.
>
> Thanks you those of you who have commented on the rule. For those who
> haven't, if you can squeeze a few mouse clicks and keystrokes in, it might
> do some good in preserving your freedoms.
>
> Tim - Pittsburgh
>
>
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| Subject: | Vertical Stab ?s |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wier, Daniel C." <daniel@thegreatwhite.net>
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| Subject: | Re: FAA/TSA rule 14293 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
I have noticed that it is variable. I know the postings must clear a
monitor, so it may depend on their schedules. Long story short, about an
hour or so?
DOC
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: FAA/TSA rule 14293
> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>
> How long does it take to have a comment entered show up on the listing?
>
> Bryan Jones -8
> Pearland, Texas
> do not archive
>
> >Hi Folks,
> >
> >I just paid a visit to:
> >
> > http://dms.dot.gov
> >
> >to leave my two cents worth. It's a piece of cake. Go the the site,
click
> >on "Simple Search," enter 14293 in the docket number window, and you can
> >read all about it, including the comments that have been submitted
(you'll
> >recognize some names from this list). Click on the comments button, and
> >leave them your thoughts.
> >
> >Thanks you those of you who have commented on the rule. For those who
> >haven't, if you can squeeze a few mouse clicks and keystrokes in, it
might
> >do some good in preserving your freedoms.
> >
> >Tim - Pittsburgh
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hi--Insurance, does this ever end |
--> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com
In a message dated 1/27/2003 2:37:09 PM Central Standard Time, jhelms@i1.net
writes:
> "It upsets you that I want to prevent these companies having to pay claims
> they don't want to pay because they never intended to cover powerplants or
> other modifications so that we can keep these companies competing with each
> other and keep the rates down?"
Ah, yes, and now the ulterior motive surfaces as I suspected all along.
Please carefully read the above quote. Let's see, to prevent companies from
having to pay claims they are legally obligated to pay by providing them with
yet another loop hole, in this case engine related, so that they do not have
to pay them. I like how you pass yourself off as our buddy, I imagine the
adder in the Garden told Adam he was his buddy also before offering him the
apple.
I may be "dense" to quote you but your purposes are probably increasingly
apparent to a number of parties. Perhaps you should get out of the risk
business and sell Amway.
"Wow, you are dense. I know that they make all types of engine parts, and
now they are making an entire engine. I am not talking about what is
legal/certified with the FAA. I am strictly talking about what the insurance
companies will and will not accept. And, yes, I have been verifying what
companies like AIG will and will not do... and it has been those other agents
out there that have been wrong."
So then a Mattuck overhauled Lycoming with a Superior crank (because it was
not affected by the AD) and has Titan cylinders and pistons and a new
Superior sump would not be covered because the owner neglected to tell the
insurance company that he had fully certified and legal PMA parts in his
engine that are in compliance with the TC? I would like to see that hold up.
Dude, don't write me anymore, I am tired of thinking about you. Okay,
whatever you say, you are correct, now please go away. Geeezzz.
Meanwhile, back on the third rock from the sun, my kit in progress including
a Superior engine is insured for 40,000 dollars with an expected upon
completion insurable value of 55,000 dollars and they know what engine I got.
Do Not Archive. JR
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Stab ?s |
--> RV-List message posted by: davepetrv6@comcast.net
It's Sherwin Williams Wash primer PG60 - great stuff .
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| Subject: | Re: Hi--Insurance, does this ever end |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Ah, you see, that would technically still be a "lycosaurus" with a
Lycoming dataplate, if ya moved da dataplate, just made more gooder ;-)
> So then a Mattuck overhauled Lycoming with a Superior crank (because it was
> not affected by the AD) and has Titan cylinders and pistons and a new
> Superior sump would not be covered because the owner neglected to tell the
> insurance company that he had fully certified and legal PMA parts in his
> engine that are in compliance with the TC? I would like to see that hold up.
> Dude, don't write me anymore, I am tired of thinking about you. Okay,
> whatever you say, you are correct, now please go away. Geeezzz.
> Meanwhile, back on the third rock from the sun, my kit in progress including
> a Superior engine is insured for 40,000 dollars with an expected upon
> completion insurable value of 55,000 dollars and they know what engine I got.
> Do Not Archive. JR
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Be Aware Faa can pull anyones license without |
recourse
--> RV-List message posted by: Brian Armstrong <armstrbc@ucsub.colorado.edu>
oh, don't start us denver residents on what the political/media complex is
doing in response to that crash. we'll get very upset...
do not archive
brian armstrong
wellington web country
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Doug Rozendaal wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
> It gets worse!!!
>
> This is a clip from an AP story on Yahoo about the Mid-Air in Denver. If we
> sit idle they will strip away our rights one by one. Write your
> Congressman, Senator, go see them when they are home on breaks at town
> meetings, let them know that we will not stand for shredding our
> Constitution!
>
> Tailwinds,
> Doug Rozendaal
>
> "Denver Mayor Wellington Webb also planned to meet with Secretary of
> Transportation Norman Mineta (news - web sites) to discuss whether tighter
> flight restrictions should be enforced in the area, said mayoral spokesman
> Andrew Hudson.
>
>
> According to residents of the area, about a half mile from the Denver
> Broncos' football stadium, there was another collision in same area in 1974
> that sent two other planes to the ground, killing four people."
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FAA/TSA rule 14293 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Brian Armstrong <armstrbc@ucsub.colorado.edu>
took mine about 4 hours.
do not archive
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, RV_8 Pilot wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>
> How long does it take to have a comment entered show up on the listing?
>
> Bryan Jones -8
> Pearland, Texas
> do not archive
>
> >Hi Folks,
> >
> >I just paid a visit to:
> >
> > http://dms.dot.gov
> >
> >to leave my two cents worth. It's a piece of cake. Go the the site, click
> >on "Simple Search," enter 14293 in the docket number window, and you can
> >read all about it, including the comments that have been submitted (you'll
> >recognize some names from this list). Click on the comments button, and
> >leave them your thoughts.
> >
> >Thanks you those of you who have commented on the rule. For those who
> >haven't, if you can squeeze a few mouse clicks and keystrokes in, it might
> >do some good in preserving your freedoms.
> >
> >Tim - Pittsburgh
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Be Aware FAA can pull anyones license without recourse.. |
SECURITY
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
As Tracy Crook was saying:
> [ If we are to protect the ] freedoms we personally value, it is the principal
which must be
> defended, not the issue.
Bingo. So few people are willing to acknowledge that, because so many people really
do want double
standards.
-Kysh
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| Subject: | Re: Superior engine info |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
John Helms wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
>
> I emailed Van and Tom Green (GM of Van's) last week. Over three years ago,
> one of the things that Van and the insurance underwriter agreed upon was
> that they wanted to insure Lycoming engines (not auto engines.... XP 360s
> weren't around yet.) The way the insurance company decided to word that (in
> internal underwriting notes) was that they only insured those engines that
> Van's recommended. I asked if there was any chance of them recommending
> Superior (the answer was basically, no).
>
The answer was basically no??? That is pretty vague, he told me that he
said they had no experience with the XP-360s to make that decision but
was suprised that they were not being insured..
Jerry
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| Subject: | Aileron Bellcranks |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Scroggs" <rscroggs@attbi.com>
On my RV-4 wing kit, I received the Barnard Aircraft Components Fast Built
option. This was
available back in the early to mid '90s timeframe. In this kit, the bellcrank
was already assembled,
anodized and the bushings already cut. In Van's plans, they call for 7/16" bushings
to be on
each side of the bearing on the bellcrank. The bushings that I have are not cut
to these dimensions
but seem to suggest that the bellcrank actually sits either high or low in the
gap of the wing rib.
The BAC kit, was supposed to have a set of information or drawings to assist you
in setting
this stuff up as they intended.
My question is, do any of you have a set of these drawings that were supplied
by BAC or could
offer any suggestions? I could always just get some bushing material and make
them over, I guess.
Thanks in advance,
Ross Scroggs
Conyers, Ga.
RV-4 #3911 Wings
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| Subject: | Aileron Bellcranks |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Norman" <jnorman@InterMapSystems.com>
They are not of equal length so that the bolt will clear. More precisely,
the issue is that the bolt that connects the bellcrank to the tube that
connects to the control stick will go through the bellcrank and then require
a washer and nut. The head of the bolt is thin compared to the thickness of
a washer and nut. If the bellcrank is centered than the head will clear but
the nut/washer combo will not.
The 'standard' way to put bolts in this position would be with the bolt
inserted from the top, with the nut/washer on the bottom. So... what you
want to do is have the belcrank positioned so that the LARGER space is on
the bottom, and the smaller space on top. Thus, you will be able to put the
bolt in from the top and then put a washer/nut on the bottom, and it will
clear the stiffners as the bellcrank rotates.
jim
Tampa
6A
20.1 hours,
211 MPH TAS @ 7,000 feet.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ross Scroggs
Subject: RV-List: Aileron Bellcranks
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Scroggs" <rscroggs@attbi.com>
On my RV-4 wing kit, I received the Barnard Aircraft Components Fast
Built option. This was
available back in the early to mid '90s timeframe. In this kit, the
bellcrank was already assembled,
anodized and the bushings already cut. In Van's plans, they call for 7/16"
bushings to be on
each side of the bearing on the bellcrank. The bushings that I have are not
cut to these dimensions
but seem to suggest that the bellcrank actually sits either high or low in
the gap of the wing rib.
The BAC kit, was supposed to have a set of information or drawings to assist
you in setting
this stuff up as they intended.
My question is, do any of you have a set of these drawings that were
supplied by BAC or could
offer any suggestions? I could always just get some bushing material and
make them over, I guess.
Thanks in advance,
Ross Scroggs
Conyers, Ga.
RV-4 #3911 Wings
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| Subject: | Re: Drilling Cowl Hinges |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gary" <rv9er@3rivers.net>
Adding to what others have said.........the horizontal hinges are easy. Just clamp
and drill one half of the hinge to the lower cowl with the top cowl off.
Then assemble the top and bottom cowls off of the airplane, and drill the other
half of the horizontal hinge to the top cowl from the inside.
The top hinges are easy to drill from the outside, thru the fiberglass. The curve
in the hinge will make it stay against the inside of the cowl pretty well.
The sides are hard to reach, and need to be supported somewhat on the inside.
You can get a ways by reaching in thru the oil door with a wood block, pressing
the hinge against the cowl. The left side is tougher, but after a few are clecoed,
you can go along one at a time and get them without supporting the inside.
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Is Lightspeed Worth It? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gary" <rv9er@3rivers.net>
From: Phat Phil <phugoid@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Is Lightspeed Worth It?
--> RV-List message posted by: Phat Phil <phugoid@attbi.com>
Exactly Chris. If you use electronic ignition you need a battery backup.
More complexity stuff to go wrong.
Phil
I see no reason to have a backup battery. Has anyone here ever had a battery
suddenly fail? The Lightspeed only needs about 5 volts to operate......much
less than just about anything else in the plane. At 150 mph, you should be able
to get to a safe spot to land before the battery dies, hmm?
Anyway, I am running a mag on one side. I also see no reason to run 2 Lightspeeds.
Gary
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