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1. 01:33 AM - Re: oiling drill and rivet gun (Cy Galley)
2. 04:47 AM - For Sale - RV-6 empennage kit (Mark Curley)
3. 06:06 AM - Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 (RV_8 Pilot)
4. 06:19 AM - Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 (RV_8 Pilot)
5. 06:29 AM - Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 (Wiethe, Philip (P.J.))
6. 06:37 AM - Re: Fw: Taylorcraft: off subject - AIRPLANES VS. WOMEN (Jaynes, Kathy A)
7. 07:05 AM - Re: Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 (Tedd McHenry)
8. 07:33 AM - ODDESSY BATTERY BOX ? (Jim Lane)
9. 07:42 AM - Fw: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 (C. Rabaut)
10. 08:00 AM - Re: oiling drill and rivet gun (Konrad Werner)
11. 08:33 AM - Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 (Wiethe, Philip (P.J.))
12. 08:47 AM - Salida Colorado (TColeE@aol.com)
13. 08:48 AM - Washers in tight places (FlashandCo@aol.com)
14. 09:01 AM - Re: Oddessy Battery Box? (Rick Galati)
15. 09:01 AM - i DONT WANT YOUR EMAILS,BLOW ME AWAY FROM YOUR LIST!!!!!!!!! (Sombre Records)
16. 09:16 AM - Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: oiling drill and rivet (Rob Prior)
17. 09:27 AM - TSA Ruling (Ken Brooks)
18. 09:30 AM - Re: Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 (Kysh)
19. 09:30 AM - Fw: Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 (C. Rabaut)
20. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 (Rob Prior)
21. 09:50 AM - kinetic + potential energy (Brian Armstrong)
22. 10:18 AM - Re: Re: Oddessy Battery Box? (Chuck Weyant)
23. 10:21 AM - Re: Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: oiling drill and rivet gun) (Konrad Werner)
24. 10:32 AM - Fw: Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 (C. Rabaut)
25. 11:02 AM - Re: kinetic + potential energy (Wiethe, Philip (P.J.))
26. 11:06 AM - Re: Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: oiling drill and ri... (JRWillJR@aol.com)
27. 11:11 AM - Re: oiling drill and rivet gun (Dr. Leathers)
28. 11:21 AM - Re: Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: oiling drill and rivet gun) (Dr. Leathers)
29. 11:29 AM - oiling drill and rivet gun (Don R Jordan)
30. 11:52 AM - Re: Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: oiling drill and rivet gun) (Cy Galley)
31. 11:56 AM - Re: TSA Ruling (Van Artsdalen, Scott)
32. 11:58 AM - Re: Re: kinetic + potential energy (Cy Galley)
33. 12:21 PM - Re: Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: (Bill Dube)
34. 01:00 PM - FOR SALE 0320-E2D (JNice51355@aol.com)
35. 01:25 PM - Re: Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: oiling (Rob Prior)
36. 01:29 PM - Re: Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: oiling drill and rivet gun) (Konrad Werner)
37. 01:56 PM - Newest Airline (Brian Denk)
38. 02:16 PM - Re: Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: oiling drill and ri... (Elsa & Henry)
39. 02:21 PM - WigWag II sold (czechsix@juno.com)
40. 02:49 PM - Re: Newest Airline (Doug Rozendaal)
41. 03:14 PM - Rivets on Ebay (Bill Dube)
42. 03:22 PM - Parts/Assemblies with Accelerated Wear/Breakage (Kyle Boatright)
43. 03:49 PM - Re: Newest Airline (JNice51355@aol.com)
44. 03:57 PM - Re: Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: oiling drill and rivet gun) (Jim Jewell)
45. 04:12 PM - Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 (lm4@juno.com)
46. 04:12 PM - Re: oiling drill and rivet gun (lm4@juno.com)
47. 05:04 PM - Fw: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 (C. Rabaut)
48. 05:54 PM - glue (Wheeler North)
49. 06:18 PM - Re: ODDESSY BATTERY BOX ? (Gary Zilik)
50. 06:48 PM - RV-7A Photo? (Jack Lockamy)
51. 07:03 PM - Re: Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 (Philip Wiethe)
52. 07:38 PM - Cycling Voltage Question (N8292W@aol.com)
53. 07:50 PM - Re: glue (Cy Galley)
54. 08:28 PM - STARTER ENABLE SWITCH ? (Jim Lane)
55. 08:54 PM - Re: STARTER ENABLE SWITCH ? (Larry Bowen)
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| Subject: | Re: oiling drill and rivet gun |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
If you put an oiler BEFORE the hose, never use that hose for spray painting.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: oiling drill and rivet gun
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
>
> Dear Will,
> Putting oil in where the hose attaches just before each session is one
way,
> but an automatic oiler within the air line is another (they are adjustable
> for the flowrate of oil). So, next time you are at Harbor Freight / Home
> Depot / Lowe's, etc.etc. you might want to look in their Pneumatic Tool
> Dept. These oilers normally come in a combo to include water separator and
> pressure regulator as well. Good Luck Shopping!
> Konrad
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@attbi.com>
> To: "RV LIST" <rv-list@matronics.com>; "RV8 List" <RV8-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: oiling drill and rivet gun
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen"
<linenwool@attbi.com>
> >
> > Since directions didn't come with my drill or rivet gun and I've never
had
> > air tools before, how much oil and how often do I oil them? If there
> isn't
> > an opening for the oil do I just put some in the connector that the hose
> > attaches to?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Will Allen
> > North Bend, Wa
> > RV8 Emp
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | For Sale - RV-6 empennage kit |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Curley" <mcurley@tc3net.com>
For Sale - RV-6 empennage kit. 50% completed, at the perfect stage to convert
to RV-7 if that is desired. Good for parts if you have "dinged" yours. Workmanship
is very good with light Vari-Prime inside. Located in southern lower
Michigan. $400 plus shipping, including preview plans, full size plans, and
Orndorff construction videos. Contact me off list for info.
do not archive
Mark Curley
mcurley@tc3net.com
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| Subject: | Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>Privilege, right or whatever-
I think the word matters a lot. Priveleges are granted by other humans.
Rights are endowed to us at birth by God. At least that's how the
Constitution reads.
The authoritarians and bureaucrats will never respect our personal flying
freedom as a right if we don't. It's just a word, but it makes a big
difference.
happy flying - while we still can
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
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| Subject: | Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>While some may argue that
>flying should be a 'right', I think the majority of us would have to
>agree that there needs to be some set of qualific!
>at!
> > ion standards to be given the green-light to fly a plane in this
>country, thus, relegating the act to 'privilege' status. Accordingly,
>however, the regulation/approval/denial of this should be fair and open,
>and that is what I think we should be lobbying for, and not trying to
>argue a case on the issue of constitutionality.
Gun ownership is regulated by laws and standards, but is accepted by most
courts and rational people as a right. What makes operating an aircraft any
different? The authoritarians will say adminstrative law/rules granted to
the FAA by Congress make flying a privelege. These regulations can serve to
promote uniform and safe flying without somehow making flying a privelege.
Sorry for the repeat replies to this one, but I feel strongly about this
one. The word matters.
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
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| Subject: | Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe@ford.com>
Let me first state that I think this ruling is total crap. It is not how the government
should operate, and it sets a bad precedent. Nevertheless, I am playing
devil's advocate on the constitutional argument.
With respect to a guaranteed right by the constitution having qualifications -
there is a subtle nuance here with the right to vote. Every legal citizen is
guaranteed this right, however, you cannot exercise that right until you meet
the age qualification. And yes, you can have some of your rights taken away by
the commission of certain crimes.
With regard to Amendment X - powers not granted to the U.S. government are reserved
to the states and the people. This means the states are free to pass legislation
governing various activities and the U.S. government does not have the
authority to protect you against such legislation. This applies to driver's
licenses. The U.S. constitution does not guarantee you the right to drive a
car. I can't speak for other states, but the Michigan constitution does not guarantee
you this right either. The state can arbitrarily revoke your driving
privilege for a number of reasons and the U.S. government does not have any authority
to protect you over the state's actions.
Article I, Section 8 does give the Federal government fairly broad authority to
govern various activities - such as regulating commerce between the states.
With respect to controlling the skies and the issuance of pilot's licenses, it
makes sense that the Federal government regulate this and not leave this power
to the individual states. The AOPA has also argued this position in the case
against Michigan's requirement for criminal background checks.
All I am saying here is that the chance of having this rule struck down by the
U.S. Supreme court ruling on this as a constitutional issue lies somewhere between
none and none. I would not urge the AOPA to spend any money that many of
us send to them by having it's lawyer's present this as a constitutional case.
I'm not saying this should not be fought, just how it should be fought.
Sorry - forgot this before .... do not archive
Phil
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| Subject: | Fw: Taylorcraft: off subject - AIRPLANES VS. WOMEN |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jaynes, Kathy A" <JAYNEKA@bp.com>
Spoken like a true pilot!
Kathy Jaynes
Convenience Retail Business Unit
RAMS Administrator
Office: 714.670.3044
FAX: 714.670.5033
email: jayneka@bp.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne R. Couture [mailto:commando@cox-internet.com]
Subject: RV-List: Fw: Taylorcraft: off subject - AIRPLANES VS. WOMEN
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture"
<commando@cox-internet.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: gene french
Subject: Fw: Taylorcraft: off subject - AIRPLANES VS. WOMEN
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Jones
Subject: Taylorcraft: off subject - AIRPLANES VS. WOMEN
With appologies to the women on the list..........
AIRPLANES VS. WOMEN
Airplanes can kill you quickly; a woman takes her time.
Airplanes can be turned on by a flick of a switch.
Airplanes don't get mad if you 'touch and go.'
Airplanes don't object to a preflight inspection.
Airplanes operate inverted.
Airplanes come with manuals to explain their operation.
Airplanes have strict weight and balance limits.
Airplanes can be flown any time of the month.
Airplanes don't come with in-laws.
Airplanes don't care about how many other airplanes you have flown before.
Airplanes and pilots both arrive at the same time.
Airplanes don't complain if you hose them down.
Airplanes don't mind if you like to look at other airplanes.
Airplanes expect to be tied down.
Airplanes don't comment on your piloting skills.
Airplanes don't whine unless something is really wrong.
However, when airplanes go quiet, just like a woman, it's a bad thing.
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| Subject: | Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Wiethe, Philip (P.J.) wrote:
> The state can arbitrarily revoke your driving privilege for a number of reasons
and the U.S. government does not have any authority to protect you over the
state's actions.
A lot of people in Canada would have made that argument. But then our supreme
court said, in effect, "No, mobility is a right and the government can't
restrain that right arbitrarily." I would be very surprised if the U.S.
supreme court wouldn't make much the same decision in a similar situation.
---
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
-6 wings
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| Subject: | ODDESSY BATTERY BOX ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Lane" <jlane@crosscountybank.com>
SOMEONE MENTIONED AN ODDESSY BATTERY BOX FROM VAN'S. DOES HE OFFER A DIFFERENT
BOX SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS SIZED BATTERY NOW ?
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| Subject: | Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Thanks Charlie, every now & then I love to re-read those powerful words.
You should see me... I'm standing proudly on my desk waving my flag! :-}
Chuck
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----- Original Message -----
From: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England
<cengland@netdoor.com>
>
> Wiethe, Philip (P.J.) wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe@ford.com>
> >
> >As much as I don't like playing devil's advocate somewhat on this issue,
I feel the need to make some comments. I have read many of the comments on
the government site and see many arguments against the arbitrary revocation
of an Airman certificate as a violation of a constitutional 'right'. In
this context, holding an Airman's certificate is really a 'privilege', and
not a 'right'. Constitutionally speaking, there is no defined 'right' to
be able to fly a plane. By the fact that an individual must meet certain
criteria to be able to legally hold an Airman's certificate (read, write,
speak English, be of certain medical condition, go through training and a
passing a test standards, etc.) also proves this point. A constitutional
right would not have a set of standards that need to be met by the
individual for it to be valid. While some may argue that flying should be a
'right', I think the majority of us would have to agree that there needs to
be some set of qualifica!
> t!
> >ion standards to be given the green-light to fly a plane in this country,
thus, relegating the act to 'privilege' status. Accordingly, however, the
regulation/approval/denial of this should be fair and open, and that is what
I think we should be lobbying for, and not trying to argue a case on the
issue of constitutionality.
> >
> >Phil
> >8a wings
> >
> Hi Phil,
>
> Here's a link for your review.
>
> http://memory.loc.gov/const/bor.html
>
> I call your attention to items IV, V, VI, VIII, IX, and X. Especially IX
> and X. Our forefathers clearly intended to give the people the right to
> do as they please with as little interference from our government as
> possible.
>
> Charlie
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: oiling drill and rivet gun |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
First Things first:
Hit your "DELETE" key now.
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE <<
Sorry folks, but I forgot to mention my DISCLAIMERS earlier!
Use of said oiler may cause bodily INJURY or DEATH! Use only if you are
thoroughly able to understand all the consequences involved!
Use only the existing "black" air hose AFTER the oiler, as it will get
contaminated with the oil coming from the oiler. For future painting
purposes, please buy yourself a new "blue" or "orange" airhose for ~$10, so
you are able to differentiate on the different hoses based on their
different color. You will need a different hose for painting purposes. Did I
mention that the use of said oiler may cause bodily INJURY or DEATH in case
you SLIP & FALL, based on the unqualified use of an oiler. Educate yourself
on its use, and do thoroughly understand every risk or benefit that may or
may not be involved.
Heck, just forget about it, dribble some oil into the Rivet Gun air intake
before each use and don't clutter your workshop (& brain) with a complicated
pressure regulators/water separator/oiler. If you are more comfortable with
the old K.I.S.S.-Principle, then please do not use an oiler. I wonder how
long a Rivet Gun would last with no oiling at all? Hmm, any one up for such
a time experiment (with your Rivet Gun)?
And don't use the old airhose (oiler or not) in case you have a compressor
that has oil bath lubrication, as they carry a very, very small amount of
lube oil in their air stream as well, which might contaminate your hose over
a period of time, and that would not be preferable for Painting a couple of
years down the road either! Did I recommend already to buy yourself a new
$10 air hose of any color you wish exclusively for painting-purposes?
No offense to anyone that has figured out his/her air system already. I'm
just having a little fun here.
Konrad
BTW: DO NOT ARCHIVE , as not to clutter cyberspace with this nonsense!!
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> If you put an oiler BEFORE the hose, never use that hose for spray
painting.
>
> Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
>
> Editor, EAA Safety Programs
> cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
>
> Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
> >
> > Dear Will,
> > Putting oil in where the hose attaches just before each session is one
way,
> > but an automatic oiler within the air line is another (they are
adjustable
> > for the flowrate of oil). So, next time you are at Harbor Freight / Home
> > Depot / Lowe's, etc.etc. you might want to look in their Pneumatic Tool
> > Dept. These oilers normally come in a combo to include water separator
and
> > pressure regulator as well. Good Luck Shopping!
> > Konrad
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| Subject: | Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe@ford.com>
I believe strongly in the right to gun ownership given by the Second amendment
and I do have a concealed pistol license. I also believe that many laws that
have been passed do violate this right. However, I don't feel the right to keep
and bear arms would grant every citizen the right to own and keep a nuclear
weapon in their possession. With regard to flying an aircraft - I do not feel
that just because you are a legal U.S. citizen you have the right to have at
your fingertips control tens of millions of foot pounds of energy (kinetic and
potential) over top of the rest of our heads without any control or restriction
by the government. There are enough people out there who have no business
driving a car, let alone flying a plane. For those anarchists who do not want
any laws or government control over any aspect of their lives, there are some
countries in Africa where this is basically the case. I don't think you'd want
to live there.
do not archive
Phil
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--> RV-List message posted by: TColeE@aol.com
Who is the man from Salida Colorado? Have some question for you. emailme off
list.
do not archive
Terry E. Cole
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| Subject: | Washers in tight places |
--> RV-List message posted by: FlashandCo@aol.com
<Can anyone share their tricks for getting little washers into tight places without
dropping them?>
Geoff,
I took the least expensive pair of needle nose pliers I had and ground the tips
to the thickness of an AN960-10 washer. I used 3/4" grind from the tip. Grip
around the outer diameter of the washer. Works well as you slide the washer
in place. If you need more than one washer, push the bolt in to catch the first
one but still allow the second one to be slid in place. Also, AC$ have washers
with "pop-off" tabs, called tailwashers. P/N SS010 for #10's at 0.10 each.
My 2000/2001 catalog shows them on p. 96. I know, I need a new catalog.
Regards,
Bob Gordon
RV6 finishing canopy
Dover DE
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| Subject: | Re: Oddessy Battery Box? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick07x@earthlink.net>
Subject:
ODDESSY BATTERY BOX
?
From:
Jim Lane (jlane@crosscountybank.com )
Date:
Thu Jan 30 - 7:33
AM
-- RV-List message posted by: "Jim Lane" jlane@crosscountybank.com
SOMEONE MENTIONED AN ODDESSY BATTERY BOX FROM VAN'S. DOES HE OFFER A DIFFERENT
BOX SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS SIZED BATTERY NOW ?
Having purchased the PC680 Odyssey battery for my under construction 6A, I
took advantage of the batterys' smaller profile by slightly modifying the inner
surface of the kit supplied battery box to retain the smaller profile 680.
The extra room left in the battery box was used to install the master
relay. You can't get much closer to the battery terminals than
that. By the way, you can purchase the 6mm to 3/8" SAE Terminal
Adapter Kit from Wicks, though I just simply press fitted a blank bushing into
a
standard terminal lug and drilled it to .2362, the decimal equivalent of 6
mm. ---
Rick Galati
Rick Galati
--- rick07x@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | i DONT WANT YOUR EMAILS,BLOW ME AWAY FROM YOUR LIST!!!!!!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Sombre Records" <marcel.spaller@arcor.de>
----- Original Message -----
From: <Oldsfolks@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: > Re: Landing/taxi lts. on taildragger
> --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
>
> I built landing/taxi lights for several years using automotive Halogen H-4
> headlight units . They are NOT sealed beam and use H-4 Quartz Halogen
bulbs (
> 130/90 WATT) . High beam for landing / low beam for taxi .
> These are super bright lights , like your auto lights. They mounted in the
> leading edge skin just inboard of the wingtip .
> The landing light would aim slightly down ,in level flight, in my RV-4
/the
> taxi is low beam,so it aims down lower in taxi mode.
> I am not building these any more . I DO have replacement parts for past
> customers.
>
> Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
> RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
> Charleston, Arkansas
> "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
>
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| Subject: | Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: oiling drill and |
rivet
gun)
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
This brings up a question... Is an oil-lubricated compressor
unsuitable for painting? I bought an oil-lubricated compressor for my
shop in order to keep it quieter (those oilless ones are *noisy*!).
Will I not be able to use it for painting too?
Not sure if "oil bath lubrication", mentioned below, is the same thing
or not...
-RB4
RV-7 Empennage (yes, still)
Konrad Werner wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
> And don't use the old airhose (oiler or not) in case you have a compressor
> that has oil bath lubrication, as they carry a very, very small amount of
> lube oil in their air stream as well, which might contaminate your hose over
> a period of time, and that would not be preferable for Painting a couple of
> years down the road either! Did I recommend already to buy yourself a new
> $10 air hose of any color you wish exclusively for painting-purposes?
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" <kenbrooks@charter.net>
Good morning, List-ers!
I share the concern of many on the list who have pointed out the
dangers of "lack of due process" in the name of maintaining national
security. As one who is fortunate enough to fly for a living, the
ramifications of such a loss of due process have more serious
consequences than just not being able to hop in one's RV for an
afternoon of cloud-chasing. This morning I received an e-mail update on
the subject from my union and thought I would pass it along. Believe
me, it has received a lot of attention from professional organizations
as well, and for good reason!
<snip>
Washington, D.C. (January 30, 2003)-The Coalition of Airline Pilots
Associations (CAPA) announced today that it is considering filing a
Petition for Review with the United States Court of Appeals for the
District of Columbia regarding the new Final Rule that grants the
Transportation Security Administration the authority to determine
whether an individual's airman certificate should be revoked based on
the TSA's assessment of that individual as a "security threat."
CAPA made the announcement at the close of its scheduled quarterly
meeting in Washington, D.C. The TSA Final Rule in question is entitled
"Threat Assessments Regarding Citizens of the United States and Alien
Holders Who Hold or Apply for FAA Certificates." It was entered into the
Federal Register on January 24, 2003. The rule, which became effective
on the date of its release with no advance notice, "Establishes the
procedure by which TSA will notify the subject individual and the FAA of
TSA's assessment that an individual who is a citizen of the U.S. and
holds or is applying for an FAA airman certificate, rating or
authorization poses a security threat."
"We have serious concerns about the problems of due process this
rule poses, as well as the vague standards of evidence it contains,"
said Captain Jon Safley, CAPA President. "As soon as our legal counsel
has concluded a thorough review of the rule's language, we will decide
which course of action best protects our members' interests."
<snip>
We all want to feel secure in our own country, but the methods by which
that security is attained are all-important. Pilots are at the top of
the food chain when it comes to enjoying the freedoms that we have in
America. Just look at China -- you can count the number of privately
owned aircraft there on one hand. Joining the discussion on this
latest assault on our freedom is the responsibility of all who fly and
cherish freedom in general. Please take a few moments to let the
government know how you feel. It's not only your right, it's your duty.
<getting off the soapbox now>
Ken Brooks, Roscoe, IL
Racing against time to finish N1903P by Dec 17, 2003!
(You can see my IO-360 B1B in Bart's tent at OSH in July!)
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| Subject: | Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
As Tedd McHenry was saying:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
>
> On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Wiethe, Philip (P.J.) wrote:
>
> > The state can arbitrarily revoke your driving privilege for a number of reasons
and the U.S. government does not have any authority to protect you over the
state's actions.
>
> A lot of people in Canada would have made that argument. But then our supreme
> court said, in effect, "No, mobility is a right and the government can't
> restrain that right arbitrarily." I would be very surprised if the U.S.
> supreme court wouldn't make much the same decision in a similar situation.
The US supreme court is not what it used to be. I had the greatest respect for
the
checks and balances offered by the supreme court, until some recent decisions,
and
notably the final decision in Eldred v. Ashcroft. The latter made clear to me that
even the supreme court justices are in the pockets of corporate america. (The
two
dissenting opinions make clear how surprised the dissenters are with the main line
decision (Yeah, I know that that's typical, but the dissents really aren't in this
case typical))
All in all, I have not in a very long while felt secure in protection of liberties
by Congress, or the office of the President. The final place in which I rested
the
last of my faith, the Supreme Court, has recently let me down on a score of issues
that really are so clear cut as to truly alter my faith in the system.
So no, I don't think the USSC would make such a decision.
-Kysh
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| Subject: | Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
PJ,
I'm not tryin' to fire you up... I'm just disagreeing with you about
what is a "right" and what is a "wrong".
Any right NOT specifically given to our government (by us) IS retained
for/by We the People!
Chuck
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Wiethe, Philip (P.J.) <pwiethe@ford.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe@ford.com>
>
> I believe strongly in the right to gun ownership given by the Second
amendment and I do have a concealed pistol license. I also believe that
many laws that have been passed do violate this right. However, I don't
feel the right to keep and bear arms would grant every citizen the right to
own and keep a nuclear weapon in their possession. With regard to flying an
aircraft - I do not feel that just because you are a legal U.S. citizen you
have the right to have at your fingertips control tens of millions of foot
pounds of energy (kinetic and potential) over top of the rest of our heads
without any control or restriction by the government. There are enough
people out there who have no business driving a car, let alone flying a
plane. For those anarchists who do not want any laws or government control
over any aspect of their lives, there are some countries in Africa where
this is basically the case. I don't think you'd want to live there.
>
> do not archive
>
> Phil
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
If anyone is curious just how much energy (the engineer in me wanted to
know)...
An RV at 1800 lb gross, flying at 200mph, at 10000 ft, "contains"
20,413,058 ft*lb of energy. Or 27,676,389 Joules, for those of us in
Canada (the number's always higher in Canada...).
In comparison, your average anarchist driving his 5-ton at 100mph donw
the highway only has just over 3 million ft*lb of energy at his disposal
(plus whatever potential is in the load he's carrying...).
(do not archive)
Wiethe, Philip (P.J.) wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe@ford.com>
>
> I believe strongly in the right to gun ownership given by the Second amendment
and I do have a concealed pistol license. I also believe that many laws that
have been passed do violate this right. However, I don't feel the right to
keep and bear arms would grant every citizen the right to own and keep a nuclear
weapon in their possession. With regard to flying an aircraft - I do not feel
that just because you are a legal U.S. citizen you have the right to have
at your fingertips control tens of millions of foot pounds of energy (kinetic
and potential) over top of the rest of our heads without any control or restriction
by the government. There are enough people out there who have no business
driving a car, let alone flying a plane. For those anarchists who do not want
any laws or government control over any aspect of their lives, there are some
countries in Africa where this is basically the case. I don't think you'd
want to live there.
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| Subject: | kinetic + potential energy |
--> RV-List message posted by: Brian Armstrong <armstrbc@ucsub.colorado.edu>
yes, but the potential energy is sortof moot. you cannot convert it to
kinetic energy without ripping your wings off. the potential energy will
mostly be dissipated by drag by the time you hit the ground. and while
the RV has quite a bit of energy, it's momentum is far less than a mack
truck travelling at 65mph.
not that this conversation is at all relevant to anything, but the
engineer in ME had to think about it too... ;-)
do not archive
brian armstrong
englewood, co
--
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Rob Prior wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
>
> If anyone is curious just how much energy (the engineer in me wanted to
> know)...
>
> An RV at 1800 lb gross, flying at 200mph, at 10000 ft, "contains"
> 20,413,058 ft*lb of energy. Or 27,676,389 Joules, for those of us in
> Canada (the number's always higher in Canada...).
>
> In comparison, your average anarchist driving his 5-ton at 100mph donw
> the highway only has just over 3 million ft*lb of energy at his disposal
> (plus whatever potential is in the load he's carrying...).
>
> (do not archive)
>
> Wiethe, Philip (P.J.) wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe@ford.com>
> >
> > I believe strongly in the right to gun ownership given by the Second amendment
and I do have a concealed pistol license. I also believe that many laws that
have been passed do violate this right. However, I don't feel the right to
keep and bear arms would grant every citizen the right to own and keep a nuclear
weapon in their possession. With regard to flying an aircraft - I do not
feel that just because you are a legal U.S. citizen you have the right to have
at your fingertips control tens of millions of foot pounds of energy (kinetic
and potential) over top of the rest of our heads without any control or restriction
by the government. There are enough people out there who have no business
driving a car, let alone flying a plane. For those anarchists who do not
want any laws or government control over any aspect of their lives, there are
some countries in Africa where this is basically the case. I don't think you'd
want to live there.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oddessy Battery Box? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" <chuck@chuckdirect.com>
I don't know Rick. Got mine with the firewall forward kit.
Chuck Weyant
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Galati" <rick07x@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Re: Oddessy Battery Box?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick07x@earthlink.net>
>
>
> Subject:
>
> ODDESSY BATTERY BOX
> ?
>
> From:
>
> Jim Lane (jlane@crosscountybank.com )
>
> Date:
>
> Thu Jan 30 - 7:33
> AM
> -- RV-List message posted by: "Jim Lane" jlane@crosscountybank.com
>
> SOMEONE MENTIONED AN ODDESSY BATTERY BOX FROM VAN'S. DOES HE OFFER A
DIFFERENT
> BOX SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS SIZED BATTERY NOW ?
>
>
> Having purchased the PC680 Odyssey battery for my under construction 6A, I
> took advantage of the batterys' smaller profile by slightly modifying the
inner
> surface of the kit supplied battery box to retain the smaller profile 680.
> The extra room left in the battery box was used to install the master
> relay. You can't get much closer to the battery terminals than
> that. By the way, you can purchase the 6mm to 3/8" SAE Terminal
> Adapter Kit from Wicks, though I just simply press fitted a blank bushing
into a
> standard terminal lug and drilled it to .2362, the decimal equivalent of 6
> mm. ---
>
> Rick Galati
>
> Rick Galati
>
> --- rick07x@earthlink.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: oiling drill |
and rivet gun)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
Hi Rob,
Just put an Inline-Filter (Harbor Freight, etc.) somewhere downstream of the
compressor, just to make sure. That should do the trick. Try painting on
your neighbor's car first, to get some experience with it.
If your compressor is belt driven instead of direct drive, then it highly
likely is oil(bath)-lubricated. The noisy (dry) one's run on teflon
coatings.
You can also try this: Depending on the size of the tank, run the pump to
build up pressure in the tank, then let the (oil and/or water) mist settle
down for a while, drain the tank, and use the built up amount of relatively
clean air. Just play with it for a bit!
Konrad
Do not archive
> --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
>
> This brings up a question... Is an oil-lubricated compressor
> unsuitable for painting? I bought an oil-lubricated compressor for
my
> shop in order to keep it quieter (those oilless ones are *noisy*!).
> Will I not be able to use it for painting too?
>
> Not sure if "oil bath lubrication", mentioned below, is the same thing
> or not...
>
> -RB4
> RV-7 Empennage (yes, still)
>
> Konrad Werner wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
> > And don't use the old airhose (oiler or not) in case you have a
compressor
> > that has oil bath lubrication, as they carry a very, very small amount
of
> > lube oil in their air stream as well, which might contaminate your hose
over
> > a period of time, and that would not be preferable for Painting a couple
of
> > years down the road either! Did I recommend already to buy yourself a
new
> > $10 air hose of any color you wish exclusively for painting-purposes?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
To quote an excellent artist...
"...and the three men I admire most,
the father, son, & holy ghost,
well they took the last train for the coast......
the day the music died."
Do not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293
>
> All in all, I have not in a very long while felt secure in protection of
liberties
> by Congress, or the office of the President. The final place in which I
rested the
> last of my faith, the Supreme Court, has recently let me down on a score
of issues
> that really are so clear cut as to truly alter my faith in the system.
>
> So no, I don't think the USSC would make such a decision.
>
> -Kysh
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: kinetic + potential energy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe@ford.com>
Not all of the potential energy is moot. Some of it will be used to either
make you hit terminal velocity or max structural speed. Here's an
interesting analogy on the momentum - a 2 ton car creeping down your
driveway at 0.25 mph will have roughly 140 times the momentum of a 22
caliber 55gr bullet travelling at 1100 ft/sec, however, I would rather get
hit by the car. ;)
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: oiling drill |
and ri...
--> RV-List message posted by: JRWillJR@aol.com
In addition to proper filtration here is something. Assuming it is a fairly
new unit, drain the goo out of it and install Mobil 1 synthetic. Yes, it is
true, oil consumption and vaporization will be reduced considerably. Many
compressors come with instructions to use synthetic compressor lube--mine
did--and it said use Mobil 1 in the manual. Mobil 1 in a 5-30 or 10-30 etc
range should be fine. Now that the stuff comes in an "older" car formulation
that might be better for older compressors. Seal compatibility is a problem
with older cars, thus the older car formulation, the stuff is able to ooze
past seals in engines that would otherwise be oil tight, it does not damage
the seals but you might see ooze. The instructions with my compressor said to
do a 45 minute breakin. I used the non synthetic oil that came with it for
that. I then drained it and installed Mobil 1 per the manual. The oil is
still crystal clear. Do Not Archive JR
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| Subject: | Re: oiling drill and rivet gun |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Just don't use an automatically oiled air line for painting!!!
DOC
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: oiling drill and rivet gun
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
>
> Dear Will,
> Putting oil in where the hose attaches just before each session is one
way,
> but an automatic oiler within the air line is another (they are adjustable
> for the flowrate of oil). So, next time you are at Harbor Freight / Home
> Depot / Lowe's, etc.etc. you might want to look in their Pneumatic Tool
> Dept. These oilers normally come in a combo to include water separator and
> pressure regulator as well. Good Luck Shopping!
> Konrad
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Will & Lynda Allen" <linenwool@attbi.com>
> To: "RV LIST" <rv-list@matronics.com>; "RV8 List" <RV8-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: oiling drill and rivet gun
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen"
<linenwool@attbi.com>
> >
> > Since directions didn't come with my drill or rivet gun and I've never
had
> > air tools before, how much oil and how often do I oil them? If there
> isn't
> > an opening for the oil do I just put some in the connector that the hose
> > attaches to?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Will Allen
> > North Bend, Wa
> > RV8 Emp
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: oiling drill |
and rivet gun)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Your compressor will be just fine for painting. It does not add it's
lubrication to the air it pumps.
DOC
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
Subject: RV-List: Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: oiling drill
and rivet gun)
> --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
>
> This brings up a question... Is an oil-lubricated compressor
> unsuitable for painting? I bought an oil-lubricated compressor for
my
> shop in order to keep it quieter (those oilless ones are *noisy*!).
> Will I not be able to use it for painting too?
>
> Not sure if "oil bath lubrication", mentioned below, is the same thing
> or not...
>
> -RB4
> RV-7 Empennage (yes, still)
>
> Konrad Werner wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
> > And don't use the old airhose (oiler or not) in case you have a
compressor
> > that has oil bath lubrication, as they carry a very, very small amount
of
> > lube oil in their air stream as well, which might contaminate your hose
over
> > a period of time, and that would not be preferable for Painting a couple
of
> > years down the road either! Did I recommend already to buy yourself a
new
> > $10 air hose of any color you wish exclusively for painting-purposes?
>
>
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| Subject: | oiling drill and rivet gun |
--> RV-List message posted by: Don R Jordan <dons6a@juno.com>
I would oil at the end of a session to keep the water condensation to a
minimum.
Don Jordan - RV6A - N6DJ
Arlington, Tx
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:07:24 -0800 "Will & Lynda Allen"
<linenwool@attbi.com> writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Will & Lynda Allen"
> <linenwool@attbi.com>
>
> Since directions didn't come with my drill or rivet gun and I've
> never had
> air tools before, how much oil and how often do I oil them? If
> there isn't
> an opening for the oil do I just put some in the connector that the
> hose
> attaches to?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Will Allen
> North Bend, Wa
> RV8 Emp
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| Subject: | Re: Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: oiling drill |
and rivet gun)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
If you use Compressor oil in your compressor, a filter at the gun should
remove what left after most of it falls out in your airtank. It is when you
use some car lube oils or gun lubes that you run into problems. They can
contain silicones, etc.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: oiling
drill and rivet gun)
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
>
> Hi Rob,
> Just put an Inline-Filter (Harbor Freight, etc.) somewhere downstream of
the
> compressor, just to make sure. That should do the trick. Try painting on
> your neighbor's car first, to get some experience with it.
> If your compressor is belt driven instead of direct drive, then it highly
> likely is oil(bath)-lubricated. The noisy (dry) one's run on teflon
> coatings.
> You can also try this: Depending on the size of the tank, run the pump to
> build up pressure in the tank, then let the (oil and/or water) mist settle
> down for a while, drain the tank, and use the built up amount of
relatively
> clean air. Just play with it for a bit!
> Konrad
> Do not archive
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
> >
> > This brings up a question... Is an oil-lubricated compressor
> > unsuitable for painting? I bought an oil-lubricated compressor
for
> my
> > shop in order to keep it quieter (those oilless ones are *noisy*!).
> > Will I not be able to use it for painting too?
> >
> > Not sure if "oil bath lubrication", mentioned below, is the same thing
> > or not...
> >
> > -RB4
> > RV-7 Empennage (yes, still)
> >
> > Konrad Werner wrote:
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
> > > And don't use the old airhose (oiler or not) in case you have a
> compressor
> > > that has oil bath lubrication, as they carry a very, very small amount
> of
> > > lube oil in their air stream as well, which might contaminate your
hose
> over
> > > a period of time, and that would not be preferable for Painting a
couple
> of
> > > years down the road either! Did I recommend already to buy yourself a
> new
> > > $10 air hose of any color you wish exclusively for painting-purposes?
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts@unionsafe.com>
What was it the old boy said about those who wish to sacrifice liberty for
security deserving neither?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Brooks [mailto:kenbrooks@charter.net]
Subject: RV-List: TSA Ruling
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" <kenbrooks@charter.net>
Good morning, List-ers!
I share the concern of many on the list who have pointed out the
dangers of "lack of due process" in the name of maintaining national
security. As one who is fortunate enough to fly for a living, the
ramifications of such a loss of due process have more serious
consequences than just not being able to hop in one's RV for an
afternoon of cloud-chasing. This morning I received an e-mail update on
the subject from my union and thought I would pass it along. Believe
me, it has received a lot of attention from professional organizations
as well, and for good reason!
<snip>
Washington, D.C. (January 30, 2003)-The Coalition of Airline Pilots
Associations (CAPA) announced today that it is considering filing a
Petition for Review with the United States Court of Appeals for the
District of Columbia regarding the new Final Rule that grants the
Transportation Security Administration the authority to determine
whether an individual's airman certificate should be revoked based on
the TSA's assessment of that individual as a "security threat."
CAPA made the announcement at the close of its scheduled quarterly
meeting in Washington, D.C. The TSA Final Rule in question is entitled
"Threat Assessments Regarding Citizens of the United States and Alien
Holders Who Hold or Apply for FAA Certificates." It was entered into the
Federal Register on January 24, 2003. The rule, which became effective
on the date of its release with no advance notice, "Establishes the
procedure by which TSA will notify the subject individual and the FAA of
TSA's assessment that an individual who is a citizen of the U.S. and
holds or is applying for an FAA airman certificate, rating or
authorization poses a security threat."
"We have serious concerns about the problems of due process this
rule poses, as well as the vague standards of evidence it contains,"
said Captain Jon Safley, CAPA President. "As soon as our legal counsel
has concluded a thorough review of the rule's language, we will decide
which course of action best protects our members' interests."
<snip>
We all want to feel secure in our own country, but the methods by which
that security is attained are all-important. Pilots are at the top of
the food chain when it comes to enjoying the freedoms that we have in
America. Just look at China -- you can count the number of privately
owned aircraft there on one hand. Joining the discussion on this
latest assault on our freedom is the responsibility of all who fly and
cherish freedom in general. Please take a few moments to let the
government know how you feel. It's not only your right, it's your duty.
<getting off the soapbox now>
Ken Brooks, Roscoe, IL
Racing against time to finish N1903P by Dec 17, 2003!
(You can see my IO-360 B1B in Bart's tent at OSH in July!)
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| Subject: | Re: kinetic + potential energy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
On the other hand the bullet will probably go thru your structure while the
car will continue on and crush your structure. <GRIN>
Cy Galley - MVR-AACA www.aaca.org/mvr
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe@ford.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: kinetic + potential energy
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe@ford.com>
>
> Not all of the potential energy is moot. Some of it will be used to
either
> make you hit terminal velocity or max structural speed. Here's an
> interesting analogy on the momentum - a 2 ton car creeping down your
> driveway at 0.25 mph will have roughly 140 times the momentum of a 22
> caliber 55gr bullet travelling at 1100 ft/sec, however, I would rather get
> hit by the car. ;)
>
> Phil
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: |
oiling drill and rivet gun)
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
At 11:21 AM 1/30/2003, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
>
>Hi Rob,
>Just put an Inline-Filter (Harbor Freight, etc.) somewhere downstream of the
>compressor, just to make sure. That should do the trick. Try painting on
>your neighbor's car first, to get some experience with it.
I always spray paint one of my garbage cans before I turn the gun
loose on something I care about. You can see any major problems ahead of
time and you can fix the problem before it is too late. The can is sheet
metal and large enough to see how the paint will lay down on the car (or
whatever.) If there is oil, (or water) it will likely cause "fish eyes"
that are easy to spot on the garbage can.
I have very colorful garbage cans. :-)
An ordinary air compressor works fine. No special filters needed.
Just don't ever put oil in the hoses you plan to use for painting.
Bill Dube'
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| Subject: | FOR SALE 0320-E2D |
--> RV-List message posted by: JNice51355@aol.com
Folks
A fellow aviator, Pat Swift, is pulling his 1150SMOH 0320-E2D from his Thorpe
T-18
so he can re-engine for a C/S prop. All mods have been done(those known as
AD's
on type certificated airplanes). The engine comes with all accessories
except prop and carb, and he is asking $6500. He can be reached at
"swiftruck@hotmail.com".
I am reposting this note since Pat sent me an e-mail saying that he just got
his computer "running again".
Jim Nice
WA State
near Arlington do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: oiling |
drill and rivet gun)
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
What kind of surface prep do you use for those garbage cans? Alodyne,
Wash Primer, Rattle Can, etc.? Are you worried about long term
corrosion effects?
(oh, and definitely, DO NOT ARCHIVE! 8-).
Thanks everyone for the replies. Sounds like my compressor is fine.
For what it's worth, i've got a 20 gal compressor (lubricated) feeding
into a 10 gal tank (for extra capacity), from there into a filter/
regulator/ oiler lineup (bolted to the wall), and then into my tools.
I've also put quick-releases everywhere so I can quickly pull the 10 gal
tank out and take it out to the garage/ airport/ wherever to pump up the
occasional tire. Despite all the connections, if I charge the system to
100psi, it'll hold it for about a month before it's dropped down to 90psi.
For painting, i'll just take the F/R/O and the final downstream hose
off-line, and use a different (clean) hose from the tank to the paint gun.
Bill Dube wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>
> At 11:21 AM 1/30/2003, you wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
>>
>>Hi Rob,
>>Just put an Inline-Filter (Harbor Freight, etc.) somewhere downstream of the
>>compressor, just to make sure. That should do the trick. Try painting on
>>your neighbor's car first, to get some experience with it.
>
>
> I always spray paint one of my garbage cans before I turn the gun
> loose on something I care about. You can see any major problems ahead of
> time and you can fix the problem before it is too late. The can is sheet
> metal and large enough to see how the paint will lay down on the car (or
> whatever.) If there is oil, (or water) it will likely cause "fish eyes"
> that are easy to spot on the garbage can.
>
> I have very colorful garbage cans. :-)
>
> An ordinary air compressor works fine. No special filters needed.
> Just don't ever put oil in the hoses you plan to use for painting.
>
> Bill Dube'
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: oiling drill |
and rivet gun)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
Maybe it depends on the Compressor Brand & Oil Type used?
The manual in my new Ingersoll-Rand 60gal upright states the following:
"CAUTION: If you will be using Ingersoll-Rand synthetic compressor
lubricant, all downstream piping material and system components must be
compatible. Refer to the following material compatibility list . . . ."
Well, I chose to follow their recommendation and installed T-30 Synthetic
Oil right from Start-Up, as it doubles the warranty period to 24 months,
quadruples the oil change interval to 12 month or 2000hrs, and allows a 100%
Duty Cycle versus 60% on Mineral Oil.
But the manual also states: "NOTE: All compressed air systems generate
condensate which accumulate in any drain point (e.g. tanks, filters, etc.).
This condensate contains lubrication oil and/or substances which may be
regulated and must be disposed of in accordance with . . . ."
BOTTOM LINE: I do think it loses some small amount of the lube to the air
somehow!!
Konrad
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
>
> Your compressor will be just fine for painting. It does not add it's
> lubrication to the air it pumps.
>
> DOC
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: oiling
drill
> and rivet gun)
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
> >
> > This brings up a question... Is an oil-lubricated compressor
> > unsuitable for painting? I bought an oil-lubricated compressor
for
> my
> > shop in order to keep it quieter (those oilless ones are *noisy*!).
> > Will I not be able to use it for painting too?
> >
> > Not sure if "oil bath lubrication", mentioned below, is the same thing
> > or not...
> >
> > -RB4
> > RV-7 Empennage (yes, still)
> >
> > Konrad Werner wrote:
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
> > > And don't use the old airhose (oiler or not) in case you have a
> compressor
> > > that has oil bath lubrication, as they carry a very, very small amount
> of
> > > lube oil in their air stream as well, which might contaminate your
hose
> over
> > > a period of time, and that would not be preferable for Painting a
couple
> of
> > > years down the road either! Did I recommend already to buy yourself a
> new
> > > $10 air hose of any color you wish exclusively for painting-purposes?
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
For those furloughed from the "majors"....try THIS one on for size. Maybe
they're hiring!
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030124/dcf034_1.html
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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| Subject: | Re: Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: oiling drill |
and ri...
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
When I bought my Sears 2HP twin cylinder compressor about 15 years ago, I've
been amazed that I have never had to add oil to it! When new, I unscrewed
the square plug at the bottom of the crank-case and filled it up to the
plug's threads with straight 10W oil as recommended in the instructions.
Since then, and up to now, I can't even get a tea-spoon of oil in there! I
have done body work and paint jobs on 3 of my aged old cars plus built and
painted my 6-A with it and never had any paint/oil problems. I also use it
to help back-wash my water filtration system once a month. It does not have
an oil filter at its output port but has a pressure regulator there that I
always have set at 100 PSI.
I have a pressure regulator and a Brown line filter which connects at the
END of the hose lengths in use and the air-tools or paint-gun I may be using
connect there with about 6' of hose. When I'm painting, I have the
regulator/filter combination hanging from my waist.I've not had to change
the filter element.yet! Lucky?
Cheers!! -----Henry Hore
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--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
Thanks to all for the great interest in the WigWag II that I posted for sale yesterday...it
is now SOLD.
Do Not Archive
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D finishing...
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| Subject: | Re: Newest Airline |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
I am sure HOOters air flies the fanjet powered 737's with the "Large
Nacelles"
Sorry couldn't help myself!!
Do Not Archive
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
> For those furloughed from the "majors"....try THIS one on for size. Maybe
> they're hiring!
>
> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030124/dcf034_1.html
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
25 pounds for $14.99 (at the moment)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6754&item=2401781431&rd=1
Looks like some 7/8" 1/8" AN426 rivets (MS20426AD4-14) on Ebay
Bundled with the above are some others MS20426F4-6 that I couldn't
decipher. Who knows what they are. (They are counter-sunk 3/8" 1/8", but
what alloy?)
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| Subject: | Parts/Assemblies with Accelerated Wear/Breakage |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
It is time again for my condition inspection, and this brings to mind several areas
where builders/owners have experienced premature wear or failures. These
are the items I came up with:
- Exhaust mounting hardware (Failure mode - cracks at bends)
- Engine/Gear mount (Failure mode - cracks due to gear leg shimmy or hard landings)
- Carb heat cable (Failure mode - fails where it enters fitting)
I'm sure there are other parts of the aircraft which may be more wear/failure prone.
I'd like to take a good look at each of them while I'm doing my condition
inspection this weekend, and I'm sure a list of these potential problem areas
would be of benefit to everyone in the RV community.
What else can be added to the list?
KB
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| Subject: | Re: Newest Airline |
--> RV-List message posted by: JNice51355@aol.com
In a message dated 1/30/03 2:50:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,
dougr@petroblend.com writes:
> I am sure HOOters air flies the fanjet powered 737's with the "Large
> Nacelles"
>
>
Question is: "Do they artificially enhance the SIZE of those nacelles?"
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| Subject: | Re: Oil-Libricated Compressor and Painting (was: oiling drill |
and rivet gun)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
On the subject of compressors and humidity;
It sounds like the list has once again helped someone find the info needed.
The only consideration that I did not see discussed was the effect of
relative humidity. Its likely that more attention might need to be paid to
draining tanks and system components if the user lives in coastal or
otherwise high humidity prone areas.
When I moved inland from Van. BC. to Kelowna my tank mounted water separator
stopped piddling little puddles on the floor. In fact I don't have a stain
on the floor at all after six years of standing and working in the same
place.
The eighteen year old Sears oiled belt driven twenty gallon still gets the
job painting etc. done and no, it's not for sale!
Jim in Kelowna
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| Subject: | Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 |
--> RV-List message posted by: lm4@juno.com
Phil,
I guess we can agree in the end but we got there by different routes.
We have to consider the Constitution because it is the foundation of our
law.
So starting at the preamble you and I have the RIGHT to life and the
persuit
of happiness. That means that we have the RIGHT to fly with or without an
airplane, our choice. HOWEVER everyone has these same right and thats
where the 9th ammendment comes in. You and I do not have the right to
endanger or threaten the rights of others. Thats where regulatory bodies
come in, and thats where training and licencing come in. To this extent
the
FAA has done a fair job, with the possible exception of those, smarter
than
God, who work in Oak City. But now, if another agency can make a
recommendation to the FAA and the FAA rolls over the we have a rogue
agency who's head has as much power as Hienrich Himmler: and that just
cannot be allowed to happen. If there is a set of standards that makes a
person a security risk WE should have a copy of it. And it goes without
saying that we should not allow trial and punishment by allegation and
without redress.
Larry Mac Donald
Rochester N.Y.
do not archive
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:21:39 -0500 "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)"
<pwiethe@ford.com> writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)"
> <pwiethe@ford.com>
I have read many of
> the comments on the government site and see many arguments against
> the arbitrary revocation of an Airman certificate as a violation of
> a constitutional 'right'. In this context, holding an Airman's
> certificate is really a 'privilege', and not a 'right'.
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| Subject: | Re: oiling drill and rivet gun |
--> RV-List message posted by: lm4@juno.com
You oil it each time you use it, beforhand. Put in about,sorta,
aproximately three drops.
Well it depends on how much you use it. Keep it lubed but
don't put in so much that it's going to shoot out the vents
and into your face. And yes,into the air intake.
Larry Mac Donald
Rochester N.Y.
do not archive
> Since directions didn't come with my drill or rivet gun and I've
> never had
> air tools before, how much oil and how often do I oil them? If
> there isn't
> an opening for the oil do I just put some in the connector that the
> hose
> attaches to?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Will Allen
> North Bend, Wa
> RV8 Emp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Very well said Larry.
Chuck
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----- Original Message -----
From: <lm4@juno.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293
> --> RV-List message posted by: lm4@juno.com
>
> Phil,
> I guess we can agree in the end but we got there by different
routes.
> We have to consider the Constitution because it is the foundation of our
> law.
> So starting at the preamble you and I have the RIGHT to life and the
> persuit
> of happiness. That means that we have the RIGHT to fly with or without an
>
> airplane, our choice. HOWEVER everyone has these same right and thats
> where the 9th ammendment comes in. You and I do not have the right to
> endanger or threaten the rights of others. Thats where regulatory bodies
> come in, and thats where training and licencing come in. To this extent
> the
> FAA has done a fair job, with the possible exception of those, smarter
> than
> God, who work in Oak City. But now, if another agency can make a
> recommendation to the FAA and the FAA rolls over the we have a rogue
> agency who's head has as much power as Hienrich Himmler: and that just
> cannot be allowed to happen. If there is a set of standards that makes a
> person a security risk WE should have a copy of it. And it goes without
> saying that we should not allow trial and punishment by allegation and
> without redress.
> Larry Mac Donald
> Rochester N.Y.
> do not archive
>
>
> On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:21:39 -0500 "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)"
> <pwiethe@ford.com> writes:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)"
> > <pwiethe@ford.com>
> I have read many of
> > the comments on the government site and see many arguments against
> > the arbitrary revocation of an Airman certificate as a violation of
> > a constitutional 'right'. In this context, holding an Airman's
> > certificate is really a 'privilege', and not a 'right'.
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
has anybody tested what happens when you place cyano-acrylate glue next to
cad plated fasteners stuck in aluminum anodized with whatever and then add
ten years of life and corrosion?
I'm not sure that's a great idea for washers, but I don't know as I've never
proved it.
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| Subject: | Re: ODDESSY BATTERY BOX ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@direcpc.com>
For the 7 and most likely the 9 Vans has a firewall battery mounting
which uses the Metal Jacket from the Oddessy batteries as the battery
box. I have just installed this on the 6 I have in my shop. I think the
complete battery box kit from Van's is 50 bucks
ES PC680 BATTERY TRAY BATTERY TRAY ONLY $23.00
ES PC680 INSTALL KIT BATTERY MOUNT ODYSSEY $50.00
I thinkd the tray only is the Metal Jacket, the mount kit is the
complete firewall forward mounting kit.
Gary
Jim Lane wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Lane" <jlane@crosscountybank.com>
>
>SOMEONE MENTIONED AN ODDESSY BATTERY BOX FROM VAN'S. DOES HE OFFER A DIFFERENT
BOX SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS SIZED BATTERY NOW ?
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Lockamy" <jacklockamy@att.net>
Anyone have a high resolution digital photo of a completed RV-7A ? I would like
to have a photo I could take to Kinko's and have reproduced into poster size
to hang on my 'workshop/garage' wall. Friends and neighbors would then be able
to see what the heck I'm building and it will also provide some good 'motivation'
when the going gets tough.... :-)
Van's has a poster for the RV-7, but not an RV-7A. :-(.
Thanks in advance,
Jack Lockamy #71103
Camarillo, CA
empennage complete, waiting on QB fuse and wing
0-320 (178 HP), C/S, slider, IFR
www.jacklockamy.com
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Constitutionality of FAA/TSA rule 14293 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Philip Wiethe" <pwiethe@twmi.rr.com>
Uncle...Uncle...
I'm after the same ultimate goal as everyone else so I'm not going to argue this
any more. However, my preference is to have a strict interpretation of the
Constitution, not trying to read more or less into it or trying to figure out
what the writers were really thinking. It means what is in black and white.
I don't like how many in the power try to twist the meaning of the Second amendment
regarding whether this applies to a state militia or to everyone individually.
People means people. (Unless you're Clinton, in which case there are
even multiple definitions of the word 'is'). Giving too many people their own
interpretations of what the Constitution really means to me is more dangerous
than relying on the exact wording. To quote Mel Gibson in the Patriot, "a group
of men can trample your rights just as easily as a single tyrant."
Phil
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| Subject: | Cycling Voltage Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: N8292W@aol.com
I have about 16 hours on my RV-4 and have a question. My voltmeter and
ammeter cycle between 13-14.5 V on the voltmeter and between 5-10 amps every
1/2 second or so. The volt meter rapidly rises from 13 volts to 14.5 volts
and back almost like the voltage is rising, gets too high, cuts out, drops
below 13 volts, kicks back in, rises to 14.5 volts, cuts out...... It just
rapidly cycles up and down. I have tried adjusting the voltage regulator
lower but does not seem to help the cycling.....
I have a 35 amp Van's supplied alternator, a Van's supplied $35ish voltage
regulator, and an Aeroelectric overvoltage protection device. This issue
does not seem to cause any problems, but it does not seem right.
Last night I turned on all my electrical accessories and it seemed to steady
out at about 13 V, but if I turn off just a couple of items, it goes right
back to cycling. I don't understand what is going on or if it is an issue,
but it just does not seem right. Does anyone have any ideas on what to check?
Thanks
Mike Kraus
N223RV - 16 hours and loving it!
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I can't disapprove your unsubstantiated worries but cyanoacrylate glue is an
ingredient of many sealing compounds including loctite. You ought to go get
the spec sheets before your start making wild guesses. Loctite has many
cyanoacrylate based products such as flange sealers, thread lockers, and
pipe sealants. Why don't you do some research on their web site.
Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
www.bellanca-championclub.com
We support Aeroncas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wheeler North" <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Subject: RV-List: glue
> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
>
> has anybody tested what happens when you place cyano-acrylate glue next to
> cad plated fasteners stuck in aluminum anodized with whatever and then add
> ten years of life and corrosion?
>
> I'm not sure that's a great idea for washers, but I don't know as I've
never
> proved it.
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | STARTER ENABLE SWITCH ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Lane" <jlane@crosscountybank.com>
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE RECOMMEND A SPECIFIC BRAND OR SOURCE OF A STARTER ENABLE SWITCH
FOR USE WITH THE INFINITY STICK GRIPS FOR DISABLING THE STARTER FUNCTION THAT
YOU LIKE THE LOOKS AND SIZE OF ? I HAVE HEARD SOME REFER TO SOMETHING OTHER
THAT A TOGGLE SWITCH. PERHAPS ONE THAT YOU HAVE TO LIFT A COVER TO ENABLE ?
THANKS IN ADVANCE,
JIM
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| Subject: | STARTER ENABLE SWITCH ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
I have one in the works. It's a standard SPST bat switch from Electric
Bob. I got the red flip cover from Wicks, I think. I'm still working
on the wiring aspects of the whole thing.......
-
Larry Bowen
RV-8 electrical
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
2003 - The year of flight!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lane
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:49 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: STARTER ENABLE SWITCH ?
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Lane" <jlane@crosscountybank.com>
>
> CAN SOMEONE PLEASE RECOMMEND A SPECIFIC BRAND OR SOURCE OF A
> STARTER ENABLE SWITCH FOR USE WITH THE INFINITY STICK GRIPS
> FOR DISABLING THE STARTER FUNCTION THAT YOU LIKE THE LOOKS
> AND SIZE OF ? I HAVE HEARD SOME REFER TO SOMETHING OTHER THAT
> A TOGGLE SWITCH. PERHAPS ONE THAT YOU HAVE TO LIFT A COVER TO ENABLE ?
>
> THANKS IN ADVANCE,
>
> JIM
>
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