Today's Message Index:
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1. 02:50 AM - Lightening Strikes a Plane! (Bruce Swayze)
2. 05:11 AM - VOR Antenna for Vert. Stab. - RV-7 (Stucklen, Frederic IFC)
3. 07:10 AM - Re: Fw: Starter enable switch etc. (Doug Rozendaal)
4. 07:10 AM - Re: VOR Antenna for Vert. Stab. - RV-7 (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
5. 07:12 AM - >interior paint woes (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
6. 07:20 AM - Re: Pogo got it right (Van Artsdalen, Scott)
7. 07:22 AM - Re: Pogo got it right (Van Artsdalen, Scott)
8. 07:24 AM - Re: Pogo got it right (Van Artsdalen, Scott)
9. 07:27 AM - Re: Newest Airline (Van Artsdalen, Scott)
10. 07:35 AM - New Insurance Thread (terence.gannon@telus.net)
11. 07:47 AM - Re: New Insurance Thread (Glenn Brasch)
12. 08:11 AM - Re: interior paint woes (dcarter@datarecall.net)
13. 08:37 AM - Re: interior paint woes (Fabian Lefler)
14. 08:49 AM - Re: interior paint woes (Francis Malczynski)
15. 08:56 AM - Re: interior paint woes (lucky macy)
16. 09:45 AM - Re: interior paint woes (Elsa & Henry)
17. 10:23 AM - Re: Lightening Strikes a Plane! (Elsa & Henry)
18. 10:53 AM - Thanks, the RV-list still works (HCRV6@aol.com)
19. 10:57 AM - Re: Pogo got it right (Cy Galley)
20. 11:05 AM - Re: New Insurance Thread (Charlie & Tupper England)
21. 11:17 AM - RV7A tip-up canopy (sjhdcl@kingston.net)
22. 12:03 PM - DC Rating (was: [ExperimentalAvionics] off topic request) (Bill Dube)
23. 12:44 PM - Re: interior paint woes (Bill Dube)
24. 01:56 PM - O-360 powered Seraphim and Cherubim? (Rob W M Shipley)
25. 02:29 PM - Re: New Insurance Thread (DANIEL W WATTERS)
26. 02:58 PM - Fw: Remembering ... (C. Rabaut)
27. 03:52 PM - RV tools (Was: New Insurance Thread) (Bill Dube)
28. 04:03 PM - (Streiker, Stephen D (Steve), WHLSL)
29. 04:45 PM - RV list hint (Jim Jewell)
30. 07:09 PM - Sorry (DANIEL W WATTERS)
31. 07:58 PM - Re: (HalBenjamin@aol.com)
32. 09:27 PM - Sidetone (Mr Christopher McGough)
33. 09:35 PM - Re: Sorry (Konrad Werner)
34. 10:02 PM - Trim (Dave von Linsowe)
35. 10:39 PM - Sidetone (Chris Fordham)
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| Subject: | Lightening Strikes a Plane! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bruce Swayze <swayze@europa.com>
Fellow Listers,
This is admittedly a bit off subject, but the pictures are so amazing I
just had to share them with all of you. A big plane is hit by lightening on
take-off. The story as I heard it from a commercial pilot is that this
happened in Hong Kong, and the aircraft circled back and landed for an
inspection, and was then sent on its way with no apparent harm done. Hard
to believe after seeing these pictures! It takes a few minutes to
download, but worth the wait:
http://lightning.pwr.eng.osaka-u.ac.jp/lrg/temp/plane.html
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | VOR Antenna for Vert. Stab. - RV-7 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic IFC" <Fred.Stucklen@UTCFuelCells.com>
Ted,
I too am an IFR pilot, and have flown my first RV-6A in hard IFR over the
last 10 years. (I've recently sold N925RV so that I can complete the next
IFR RV..) I had the VOR antenna mounted onto the top of the Vertical stab.
The primary ILS receiver was a Narco 122A that had a special slitter
separating the VOR, LOC, Glide Slope, and Marker beacons into the three
inputs into this radio. Newer radios (like the UPS SL-30 and the SL-10SM
audio panel with marker beacon) require a separate antenna for the marker
beacon.
Mounting the VOR/LOC/GS antenna on top of the vertical stab after
construction should not be difficult if you haven't already mounted the
fairing. The newer counter weight rudder design on the RV-7 & RV-8's don't
allow as much room for this antenna, but it is sufficient.
What I recommend is constructing a "U" shaped bracket that the VOR antenna
can mount too, that fits upside down between the side skins. The bracket
edges rest on the top edge of the vertical stab rib flange. The bracket
should be wide enough to support the hockey puck part of the CI-159C VOR/GS
antenna ( I think 2"..). Use nut plates for the antenna mounting bolts. The
holes in the center of the bracket, and the vertical stabs top rib, should
be large enough for the antenna coax connector to go through (the coax
connects to the bottom of the hock puck). The vertical stab rib hole should
have a plastic grommet to protect the coax and keep the coax from falling
into the vertical stab when disconnected from the antenna.
The bracket can be riveted to the skin, or screwed in place (use nut
plates on the bracket). The vertical stab fairing is then notched such that
it fits over the hockey puck part of the VOR antenna (which does protrude
out over the edge of the skins). The fairing is then mounted with screws and
nut plates so that the antenna can be serviced....
Hope that helps. I haven't constructed this part on the new plane (RV-6A
with old rudder design) so I don't have any pictures.
Fred Stucklen
RV-6A
-----Original Message-----
From: Willke, Theodore L [mailto:theodore.l.willke@intel.com]
Subject: VOR Antenna for Vert. Stab. - RV-7
Hi,
I am a member of the RV-List and saw some archived discussion on your
mounting of a VOR dipole antenna on the vertical stabilizer of your RV-6.
I'm an IFR pilot that would like VOR/GS and LOC capability. I see that
Van's offers a number of VOR AV parts. One in particular, the AV CI-215, is
a VOR GS/LOC Antenna. It appears essentially like any other VOR dipole and
would assume the mounting is similar. Anyway, I'm just starting the
empennage kit and would greatly appreciate any insight you might have on:
* The selection of a VOR dipole antenna for full IFR use
* Parts needed to complete the installation in the vert. stab. and wire it
up
* At what points in the empennage build-up do I need to accommodate steps
for antenna installation
I was just about to start right in when I realized that there would be no
way to mount the antenna on the tail if I completed the kit first and then
purchased the antenna parts. From the list, I can see that many a builder
have made this mistake and have been forced to mount the antenna in inferior
locations, from a black-out and range point-of-view.
Thanks So Much,
Ted Willke
PS - Congrats. on building a great RV example!
------------------------------
Ted L. Willke
Server I/O Architecture
Enterprise Platforms Group
Intel Corporation
DuPont, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Starter enable switch etc. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Reimer" <cgreimer@mts.net>
snip
> I have my mag switches set up so that the starter is only enabled if the
> left impulse-coupled mag is on by itself.
snip
> From what I have heard, it is pretty hard to get the prop to stop
> windmilling on a gliding RV, so airstarts generally wouldn't require the
use
> of the starter.
snip
Curt,
My personal opinion here only, but I think when weighing memorizing what you
have to do to start the airplane on the ground with a certain mag
configuration vs. memorizing the configuration to make the prop turn in
flight, I would vote for the former.
Would a better solution be to copy, I am sorry but, a standard system that
grounds the mag without the impulse coupling when you hit the starter? This
could be easily done with a DPST switch that grounds the mag and engages the
starter.
As for the prop stopping, I have dead-sticked the panther many times,
intentionally.
It is a 160 hp, wooden climb prop, and a steel ring. The prop stops around
100 mph. If you just touch the starter, it is running.
You are absolutely entitled to set up your airplane as you wish, but for
those still wondering, I will continue to beat the drum, simple and standard
is better. Just my thoughts.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
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| Subject: | Re: VOR Antenna for Vert. Stab. - RV-7 |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Hi All,
Just thought I might add that the best operational NAV antenna is still the
Sportcraft wingtip antenna. Sportcraft has a marker beacon antenna kit that
can be installed in the same wingtip as the NAV antenna.
A number of people on the list have already done this. You could check the
archives for their comments.
Jim Ayers
member of the "Old Dog" oversight committee :-)
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| Subject: | >interior paint woes |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
Dan;
Try grounding the pieces before you spray the paint. Just grab a hunk of wire
( any kind ) and ground one end to a piece of galvanized water pipe driven
into the ground . Put an alligator clip on the other end and clamp it to the
material being painted. You could also tie it to a cleco and put in a hole in
the material. The ground lug of a wall electrical outlet would suffice if you
can't reach an outside pipe with your wire. ( Be SURE you know which is the
GROUND hole in the outlet ! )
Don't go to a lot of expense , test it first.
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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| Subject: | Pogo got it right |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts@unionsafe.com>
Rick,
I'm with you on this but let me ask you this. How many of those pilots have
Internet access? There are a lot of people who (still) don't have (or want)
Internet access. Now that being said, how many list members are there on
this list? More than 138 I'd say. At any rate, you've shamed me into going
to the site and leaving my comments. :-)
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
Network Manager
Union Safe Deposit Bank
209-946-5116
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Galati [mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net]
Subject: RV-List: Pogo got it right
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick07x@earthlink.net>
Lets see, there
are......600,000 plus, licensed pilots in the USA? I'm sure
that more than one participant of this list knows the precise number
and any one of a usual number of suspects are predictably quick to
offer up a dutiful correction. Yet, where is that glibness when a new rule
visits the Republic that makes a mockery of due process, and singles out FAA
certificate holders for special Orwellian consideration? Oh, we can
read lots of whining and complaining about FAA-2003-14293 on this board and
elsewhere. The usual passionate arguments are oft repeated to a rapt
and righteous choir of the like-minded. Mostly this staple consists
of boiler plate fodder including such blue-plate specials such as
constitutional guarantees, due process, the well known price of giving up
liberty for temporary security, privileges versus rights..... heady stuff
like that. But an all too human condition is playing itself out
among our brethren yet again. What is occurring within our flying
fraternity is certainly not unique to any special interest group such as
those
who participate in this forum, but nonetheless is indicative of a larger
American condition. Out of 600,000 pilots, you would think the
vast majority would have at least some small interest in preserving their
freedom of flight that goes beyond engaging in casual, if at times lively
chit
chat among the like-minded. This is the impression one can certainly
get based on some of the more outrageous sound bites masquerading as outrage
we
can read over and over again. A few minutes ago, when I lasted
checked http://dms.dot.gov/ , a
miniscule and pathetic fraction of only 138 souls out of Six Hundred
Thousand licensed pilots have bothered to MAKE THEIR VOICE OFFICIALLY HEARD
in a
governmental forum where that personal comment can at least in some small
way
count for something. What is it about going on record that brings out
the "anonymous" in a few and renders the majority of people suddenly mute
and
stopped cold in their self interested tracks?
Rick Galati
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| Subject: | Pogo got it right |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts@unionsafe.com>
As a follow-up to my last email... Another reason people might not be
making comments is the relative difficulty in leaving a comment. At first
glance, it appears that you have to register to leave a comment. It appears
to be much more complicated than it really is to leave a comment. Many of
our less experienced Internet users will give up.
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
Network Manager
Union Safe Deposit Bank
209-946-5116
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Galati [mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net]
Subject: RV-List: Pogo got it right
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick07x@earthlink.net>
Lets see, there
are......600,000 plus, licensed pilots in the USA? I'm sure
that more than one participant of this list knows the precise number
and any one of a usual number of suspects are predictably quick to
offer up a dutiful correction. Yet, where is that glibness when a new rule
visits the Republic that makes a mockery of due process, and singles out FAA
certificate holders for special Orwellian consideration? Oh, we can
read lots of whining and complaining about FAA-2003-14293 on this board and
elsewhere. The usual passionate arguments are oft repeated to a rapt
and righteous choir of the like-minded. Mostly this staple consists
of boiler plate fodder including such blue-plate specials such as
constitutional guarantees, due process, the well known price of giving up
liberty for temporary security, privileges versus rights..... heady stuff
like that. But an all too human condition is playing itself out
among our brethren yet again. What is occurring within our flying
fraternity is certainly not unique to any special interest group such as
those
who participate in this forum, but nonetheless is indicative of a larger
American condition. Out of 600,000 pilots, you would think the
vast majority would have at least some small interest in preserving their
freedom of flight that goes beyond engaging in casual, if at times lively
chit
chat among the like-minded. This is the impression one can certainly
get based on some of the more outrageous sound bites masquerading as outrage
we
can read over and over again. A few minutes ago, when I lasted
checked http://dms.dot.gov/ , a
miniscule and pathetic fraction of only 138 souls out of Six Hundred
Thousand licensed pilots have bothered to MAKE THEIR VOICE OFFICIALLY HEARD
in a
governmental forum where that personal comment can at least in some small
way
count for something. What is it about going on record that brings out
the "anonymous" in a few and renders the majority of people suddenly mute
and
stopped cold in their self interested tracks?
Rick Galati
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| Subject: | Pogo got it right |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts@unionsafe.com>
I can hear the Battle Hymn of the Republic playing in the background....
And...
I commented.
Do not archive.
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
Network Manager
Union Safe Deposit Bank
209-946-5116
-----Original Message-----
From: C. Rabaut [mailto:crabaut@coalinga.com]
Subject: Fw: RV-List: Pogo got it right
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Rick,
Truly our society, like all the rest, is largely populated by sheep.
When things are good they bah, when things are bad they bleat. God knows
how or when the brave take up arms to save the flock. http://dms.dot.gov/
Anyone else care to be heard... http://dms.dot.gov/
There is a place http://dms.dot.gov/
a forum http://dms.dot.gov/
yes http://dms.dot.gov/
you can make a difference. http://dms.dot.gov/
Do not pass up this opportunity to be counted. Go To http://dms.dot.gov/
Chuck
do not archive http://dms.dot.gov/
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Galati <rick07x@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Pogo got it right
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick07x@earthlink.net>
>
>
> Lets see, there
> are......600,000 plus, licensed pilots in the USA? I'm sure
> that more than one participant of this list knows the precise number
> and any one of a usual number of suspects are predictably quick to
> offer up a dutiful correction. Yet, where is that glibness when a new rule
> visits the Republic that makes a mockery of due process, and singles out
FAA
> certificate holders for special Orwellian consideration? Oh, we can
> read lots of whining and complaining about FAA-2003-14293 on this board
and
> elsewhere. The usual passionate arguments are oft repeated to a rapt
> and righteous choir of the like-minded. Mostly this staple consists
> of boiler plate fodder including such blue-plate specials such as
> constitutional guarantees, due process, the well known price of giving up
> liberty for temporary security, privileges versus rights..... heady stuff
> like that. But an all too human condition is playing itself out
> among our brethren yet again. What is occurring within our flying
> fraternity is certainly not unique to any special interest group such as
those
> who participate in this forum, but nonetheless is indicative of a larger
> American condition. Out of 600,000 pilots, you would think the
> vast majority would have at least some small interest in preserving their
> freedom of flight that goes beyond engaging in casual, if at times lively
chit
> chat among the like-minded. This is the impression one can certainly
> get based on some of the more outrageous sound bites masquerading as
outrage we
> can read over and over again. A few minutes ago, when I lasted
> checked http://dms.dot.gov/ , a
> miniscule and pathetic fraction of only 138 souls out of Six Hundred
> Thousand licensed pilots have bothered to MAKE THEIR VOICE OFFICIALLY
HEARD in a
> governmental forum where that personal comment can at least in some small
way
> count for something. What is it about going on record that brings out
> the "anonymous" in a few and renders the majority of people suddenly mute
and
> stopped cold in their self interested tracks?
>
> Rick Galati
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts@unionsafe.com>
Who cares??!! The bigger the better! :-P
Do not archive
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
Network Manager
Union Safe Deposit Bank
209-946-5116
-----Original Message-----
From: JNice51355@aol.com [mailto:JNice51355@aol.com]
Subject: Re: RV-List: Newest Airline
--> RV-List message posted by: JNice51355@aol.com
In a message dated 1/30/03 2:50:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,
dougr@petroblend.com writes:
> I am sure HOOters air flies the fanjet powered 737's with the "Large
> Nacelles"
>
>
Question is: "Do they artificially enhance the SIZE of those nacelles?"
do not archive
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| Subject: | New Insurance Thread |
--> RV-List message posted by: terence.gannon@telus.net
I thought that things were getting a little quiet on the 'List, so I figure I
would stir up a new insurance thread. ;-) Heard what may well be an urban
myth that insurance companies are reluctant/unwilling to accept DIGITAL
photographs to substantiate a claim. The theory, I'm assuming, that there
fairly easy to doctor these days.
I'm assuming that a lot of 'Listers are using precisely this technology for
documenting their projects, and if it's an issue, I figured we oughtta know
about it.
Comments??
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| Subject: | Re: New Insurance Thread |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
I recently had a claim with my company, Progressive, on some hail damage.
THEY documented it on their end with a digital camera.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: <terence.gannon@telus.net>
Subject: RV-List: New Insurance Thread
> --> RV-List message posted by: terence.gannon@telus.net
>
> I thought that things were getting a little quiet on the 'List, so I
figure I
> would stir up a new insurance thread. ;-) Heard what may well be an urban
> myth that insurance companies are reluctant/unwilling to accept DIGITAL
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| Subject: | Re: interior paint woes |
--> RV-List message posted by: dcarter@datarecall.net
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
<snip>
> I'm having a couple of problems:
>
> 1) Dust, dust, and more dust. I'm painting the parts on table tops on top
> of masking paper, so maybe that's the problem right there>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (fuselage/finish)
> http://www.rvproject.com
<snip>
Dan,
Can't help witht he "dissimilar color splotches" other than to say that when I
was applying corrosion control primer, "thinner was better than thicker" - had
to thin the paint to avoid splothes - when it went on really thin, the
splotches went away - took maybe four passes to cover instead of 1 or 2 passes.
A Glastar builder in my EAA chapter built a simple "rotisserie" (sp?) to hang
small parts on: Basic idea - think of a paddle wheel steamer on the
Mississippi River, except it only has two blades on the paddle wheel. Build
any type of framework to rest on the ground to hold the "paddle wheel", mount
the paddle wheel with a bolt through each end to the framework so you can
rotate the paddle wheel, then screw in a lot of cup holders on each "paddle",
then make lots of little wire "hooks" (buy a box of paper clips and a box of
rubber bands), and "daisey chain" the little parts together with hooks (thru
rivet holes) and rubber bands from one "blade" across to the other.
Now, rotate the parts to see one side and pait that side, then flip the paddle
wheel 180 degrees and paint the other side. The rubber bands apply enough
tension that the parts don't blow in the wind while painting.
If these are exterior parts, you can prevent the slight shadow where the metal
hook covered the part from the hole to the edge - you shape the hook ends so
that instead of being a simple 180 degree loop, it would be a 90 deg corner,
then a 1/4 or 1/2 inch flat across the top - with a little "dip" in the middle
to catch the edge of the rivet hole and hold the pard in the middle, then
another 90 degree turn to complete the 180 degree "hook" effect. Now, the
sides of the hooks will be "stood off" from the sides of the part and you can
shoot the spray paint at an angle on each side of a part to shoot behind the
clip so as not to have a shadow.
David Carter
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| Subject: | Re: interior paint woes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Fabian Lefler" <fablef@bellsouth.net>
Dan,
I just finished painting my interior a couple of weeks, and I can relate to
your problems.
My experience has shown that with polyurethane paints, what you see is what
you get. Anytime you wet sand any areas of it, you will lose the gloss.
Don't believe that 1500, 2000 or whatever grit paper you can get will keep
the gloss. I tried it. It won't. Nevertheless, after the gloss is
removed, you can do two things: either spray another light coat of paint on
top, or go spray a coat of clear. Either way you will be re-spraying the
area.
For my cockpit, I purchased a gallon of Sherwin Williams Acrylid (Acrylic
Enamel-color 50023). But after talking to some friends, I was convinced
that the polyurethane would be a better choice. So, I decided to return the
reducer and the hardener and got a gallon of Sunfire (color 50023). Let me
tell you that the acrylic enamel would have been just fine. I did some test
sample with the acrylic after the curing period, and it held up just fine.
The benefit of the acrylic vs. the polyurethane is that you can usually get
rid of any imperfections on it by wet sanding followed by some rubbing
compound and liquid wax. Not so with the polyurethane.
My advice for you is not to believe that you can achieve the perfect paint
job on the first attempt. For instance in my case, a had a lot things
working against me. For starters, I had never done it before. Also, I
painted the cockpit already riveted together and the gun had to be
maneuvered in a lot of different ways to get an even coat on the many
surfaces. And then is that dust problem. I hung plastic all the way
around, cleaned up the area, wetted down everything, and I still got stuff
to fall on the freshly painted pieces. Unless you have a dust free booth,
you will likely get something to fall on your parts, especially, the ones
painted on a flat surface. You can try hanging most of the parts on a wire
and paint them vertically, I did some this way, but that method brings
another set of problems to the table... RUNS!
In the end, I am extremely happy with the results. The cockpit looks
fantastic, but I have had to re-spray some parts more than once. I know
that you are probably concerned about re-spaying due to the color variations
between your batches, and not being a paint expert, I can only suggest that
you stick to one manufacturer for the paint, reducer and hardener.
Everything I used was from Sherwin Williams. I have mixed and sprayed paint
on three different occasions and I can't see any variations between the
batches. My mixing ratio was 4:2:1
As far as the gun, the Harbor Freight gun is what I used and I am encouraged
to use the same gun for the exterior. I am convinced that the order of
priorities when painting should be: 1. Dust free area, 2. Lighting, 3.
Patience, 4. lighting, 5. technique, 6. lighting, 7. gun.
I hope this helped some. Best of luck.
Regards,
Fabian Lefler
RV-9A
900292
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: RV-List: interior paint woes
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> I've scoured the archives in search of tips and information, but I'm still
> coming up short.
>
> After screwing around with Cardinal air-dry acrylic enamel spray cans, and
> being very unhappy with its durability and its tendency to splatter dark
> drops on the piece, I switched to Sherwin Williams single-stage Dimension
> 3.5 urethane enamel. I'm using the reducer and hardener that my local
auto
> paint shop sold me, and I'm mixing it 5:1:1 as the instructions say to do.
>
> I'm having a couple of problems:
>
> 1) Dust, dust, and more dust. I'm painting the parts on table tops on top
> of masking paper, so maybe that's the problem right there...but I've got
> plastic up all around my garage and I tried wetting the floor down and
> everything, yet I still get dust particles in there like crazy. Is there
> any way to fix/buff/sand that out after the fact? I've got 1000 and 2000
> grit wet/dry sand paper, but even the 2000 grit takes the gloss right off.
> What to do? Do most people hang parts to paint them? How do you
stabilize
> small lightweight parts? I've seen people hang wires beneath the part to
> grab, but I don't think that will stabilize this stuff well enough (little
> cover panels, etc.).
>
> 2) Color bleed. Bleed is probably the wrong term. I'm using a light
gray,
> and in several spots on almost all of the pieces, the color comes out
> lighter in splotches. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with how
much
> paint I'm putting on, because even on subsequent coats (20-30 minutes
later)
> the lighter splotches bleed right through. The gloss is totally
consistent,
> it's just the color that's off in these spots. It's totally unpredictable
> in that light splotches pop up in random spots. Could this have something
> to do with temperature or moisture or the wrong reducer? I have an inline
> moisture filter at the regulator and another one at the gun (and yes, it's
a
> clean, non-oiled hose). Could this have anything to do with the type of
> gloves I'm wearing and handling the parts with? The spots don't seem to
> coincide with handling, but I'm not ruling that out.
>
> For what it's worth, I'm spraying with a touch-up sprayer from Harbor
> Freight. Please don't tell me to spend lots of money on an HVLP
sprayer...I
> know there are people out there who have successfully painted their
> interiors with cheap touch-up guns... I'm generally happy with the gloss
> and finish (other than the dust), it's just the color thing that's
plaguing
> me right now.
>
> I'm very happy with the durability and finish that this Dimension paint
> seems to have...it's just these little pesky problems that are dragging me
> down right now. Any advice is much appreciated!
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (fuselage/finish)
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
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| Subject: | interior paint woes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Francis Malczynski" <ebbfmm@yahoo.com>
I can only tell you what I did. To cut down on dust I not only wet the floor
down, but I was pulling air through my plastic in-garage paint booth by
using furnace filters on one end and two window fans on the other end. I
later experimented with one window fan and it was very adequate to the task.
I also used a surface cleaner over all the parts in addition to using a tack
rag just prior to shooting. This did not keep out all the dust, but the nits
that were left I sanded with1000 - 1500 grit paper and then restored the
shine by using 3M fine compound with a wool bonnet mounted on a electric
drill.
I used Martin-Senour urethane enamel (which I loved) and with the color
pre-reduced the mixture with the hardener was 3:1. Some parts I did paint
with the same Harbor Freight touch up gun and they turned out as well as the
ones I did with my $350 DeVllbiss. In all fairness the DeVilbiss had a
larger capacity and the spray pattern was large and you could cover a lot of
area in a short time.
Can't help you with the light splotches other then after I had done my final
clean on the part I never touched them with my bare fingers. I always wore
latex or vinyl gloves.
Hope this helps.
Fran Malczynski
RV-6 N594EF
Olcott, NY
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Subject: RV-List: interior paint woes
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
I've scoured the archives in search of tips and information, but I'm still
coming up short.
After screwing around with Cardinal air-dry acrylic enamel spray cans, and
being very unhappy with its durability and its tendency to splatter dark
drops on the piece, I switched to Sherwin Williams single-stage Dimension
3.5 urethane enamel. I'm using the reducer and hardener that my local auto
paint shop sold me, and I'm mixing it 5:1:1 as the instructions say to do.
I'm having a couple of problems:
1) Dust, dust, and more dust. I'm painting the parts on table tops on top
of masking paper, so maybe that's the problem right there...but I've got
plastic up all around my garage and I tried wetting the floor down and
everything, yet I still get dust particles in there like crazy. Is there
any way to fix/buff/sand that out after the fact? I've got 1000 and 2000
grit wet/dry sand paper, but even the 2000 grit takes the gloss right off.
What to do? Do most people hang parts to paint them? How do you stabilize
small lightweight parts? I've seen people hang wires beneath the part to
grab, but I don't think that will stabilize this stuff well enough (little
cover panels, etc.).
2) Color bleed. Bleed is probably the wrong term. I'm using a light gray,
and in several spots on almost all of the pieces, the color comes out
lighter in splotches. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with how much
paint I'm putting on, because even on subsequent coats (20-30 minutes later)
the lighter splotches bleed right through. The gloss is totally consistent,
it's just the color that's off in these spots. It's totally unpredictable
in that light splotches pop up in random spots. Could this have something
to do with temperature or moisture or the wrong reducer? I have an inline
moisture filter at the regulator and another one at the gun (and yes, it's a
clean, non-oiled hose). Could this have anything to do with the type of
gloves I'm wearing and handling the parts with? The spots don't seem to
coincide with handling, but I'm not ruling that out.
For what it's worth, I'm spraying with a touch-up sprayer from Harbor
Freight. Please don't tell me to spend lots of money on an HVLP sprayer...I
know there are people out there who have successfully painted their
interiors with cheap touch-up guns... I'm generally happy with the gloss
and finish (other than the dust), it's just the color thing that's plaguing
me right now.
I'm very happy with the durability and finish that this Dimension paint
seems to have...it's just these little pesky problems that are dragging me
down right now. Any advice is much appreciated!
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (fuselage/finish)
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: interior paint woes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Are you open to using a completely different paint type? I just saw the
nicest painted RV ever this past week. The interior QB fuselage was painted
with a type of textured looking gray paint which will wear extremely well
and you wouldn't notice if fur balls were mixed with the paint. Not too
rough to the touch and should not be "glary" in flight.
He's a retired AF pilot and know exactly what he wanted. He said it was
"aircraft" paint which I believe he said he ordered through Aircaft Spruce.
I will see him at the EAA meeting tonight and ask for details if you want.
lucky
>From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: interior paint woes
>Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:29:37 -0800
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>I've scoured the archives in search of tips and information, but I'm still
>coming up short.
>
>After screwing around with Cardinal air-dry acrylic enamel spray cans, and
>being very unhappy with its durability and its tendency to splatter dark
>drops on the piece, I switched to Sherwin Williams single-stage Dimension
>3.5 urethane enamel. I'm using the reducer and hardener that my local auto
>paint shop sold me, and I'm mixing it 5:1:1 as the instructions say to do.
>
>I'm having a couple of problems:
>
>1) Dust, dust, and more dust. I'm painting the parts on table tops on top
>of masking paper, so maybe that's the problem right there...but I've got
>plastic up all around my garage and I tried wetting the floor down and
>everything, yet I still get dust particles in there like crazy. Is there
>any way to fix/buff/sand that out after the fact? I've got 1000 and 2000
>grit wet/dry sand paper, but even the 2000 grit takes the gloss right off.
>What to do? Do most people hang parts to paint them? How do you stabilize
>small lightweight parts? I've seen people hang wires beneath the part to
>grab, but I don't think that will stabilize this stuff well enough (little
>cover panels, etc.).
>
>2) Color bleed. Bleed is probably the wrong term. I'm using a light gray,
>and in several spots on almost all of the pieces, the color comes out
>lighter in splotches. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with how much
>paint I'm putting on, because even on subsequent coats (20-30 minutes
>later)
>the lighter splotches bleed right through. The gloss is totally
>consistent,
>it's just the color that's off in these spots. It's totally unpredictable
>in that light splotches pop up in random spots. Could this have something
>to do with temperature or moisture or the wrong reducer? I have an inline
>moisture filter at the regulator and another one at the gun (and yes, it's
>a
>clean, non-oiled hose). Could this have anything to do with the type of
>gloves I'm wearing and handling the parts with? The spots don't seem to
>coincide with handling, but I'm not ruling that out.
>
>For what it's worth, I'm spraying with a touch-up sprayer from Harbor
>Freight. Please don't tell me to spend lots of money on an HVLP
>sprayer...I
>know there are people out there who have successfully painted their
>interiors with cheap touch-up guns... I'm generally happy with the gloss
>and finish (other than the dust), it's just the color thing that's plaguing
>me right now.
>
>I'm very happy with the durability and finish that this Dimension paint
>seems to have...it's just these little pesky problems that are dragging me
>down right now. Any advice is much appreciated!
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D (fuselage/finish)
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: interior paint woes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
I painted all the small parts, wired together and strung between two "L"
brackets clamped to the ends of a 4' X 8' table. However, the wiring
together was done by forming heavy galvanized wire (i.e. fence wire) into
oblong circles, about 2" wide, with hooks along the sides to permit
completing the circle after threading it through near edge rivet holes in
the piece to be painted. The whole string was attached to the end brackets
by connecting each end it to swivel balls of a key chain. The hole string
can then be rotated easily for painting all over. The idea of the large
diameter wire circles is that it prevents the paint spray from being
shadowed by the wires.
Cheers!!---Henry Hore
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| Subject: | Re: Lightening Strikes a Plane! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
I have the same thing in my files. It happened in Osaka, Japan.
Henry Hore
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Thanks, the RV-list still works |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
Although I have separately contacted and thanked everyone who responded to my
request for guidance in wiring my KX-125, I just want to repeat that thanks
and let others know what a great resource this list is.
Do not archive
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, starting firewall forward
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| Subject: | Re: Pogo got it right |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Revised instructions.
I was able to make an electronic comment on the NPRM 2003-14293. I thought
maybe some of the rest of you could do this so here are some simple
instructions and suggestions.
1. I went to: http://dms.dot.gov and clicked on the "comment/submissions"
tab. You can also do a search at this point.
2. I clicked continue on the next page.
3. After entering the docket number. You only need to enter 14293; the
digits after the dash. It then took me to the comment page. It is probably
best to enter in your personal data but it doesn't not seem to be required.
There are several as Anonymous.
4. Enter you comment in the box and click on submit. That's all.
HINT! You can copy and paste in your comments so I composed and Spell
Checked it in Outlook Express but you could do the same copy and paste from
a word
processor. I need this to make me look intelligent.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts@unionsafe.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Pogo got it right
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott"
<svanarts@unionsafe.com>
>
> As a follow-up to my last email... Another reason people might not be
> making comments is the relative difficulty in leaving a comment. At first
> glance, it appears that you have to register to leave a comment. It
appears
> to be much more complicated than it really is to leave a comment. Many of
> our less experienced Internet users will give up.
>
> --
> Scott VanArtsdalen
> Network Manager
> Union Safe Deposit Bank
> 209-946-5116
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Galati [mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net]
> To: rv-list
> Subject: RV-List: Pogo got it right
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick07x@earthlink.net>
>
>
> Lets see, there
> are......600,000 plus, licensed pilots in the USA? I'm sure
> that more than one participant of this list knows the precise number
> and any one of a usual number of suspects are predictably quick to
> offer up a dutiful correction. Yet, where is that glibness when a new rule
> visits the Republic that makes a mockery of due process, and singles out
FAA
>
> certificate holders for special Orwellian consideration? Oh, we can
> read lots of whining and complaining about FAA-2003-14293 on this board
and
> elsewhere. The usual passionate arguments are oft repeated to a rapt
> and righteous choir of the like-minded. Mostly this staple consists
> of boiler plate fodder including such blue-plate specials such as
> constitutional guarantees, due process, the well known price of giving up
> liberty for temporary security, privileges versus rights..... heady stuff
> like that. But an all too human condition is playing itself out
> among our brethren yet again. What is occurring within our flying
> fraternity is certainly not unique to any special interest group such as
> those
> who participate in this forum, but nonetheless is indicative of a larger
> American condition. Out of 600,000 pilots, you would think the
> vast majority would have at least some small interest in preserving their
> freedom of flight that goes beyond engaging in casual, if at times lively
> chit
> chat among the like-minded. This is the impression one can certainly
> get based on some of the more outrageous sound bites masquerading as
outrage
> we
> can read over and over again. A few minutes ago, when I lasted
> checked http://dms.dot.gov/ , a
> miniscule and pathetic fraction of only 138 souls out of Six Hundred
> Thousand licensed pilots have bothered to MAKE THEIR VOICE OFFICIALLY
HEARD
> in a
> governmental forum where that personal comment can at least in some small
> way
> count for something. What is it about going on record that brings out
> the "anonymous" in a few and renders the majority of people suddenly mute
> and
> stopped cold in their self interested tracks?
>
> Rick Galati
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Insurance Thread |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
terence.gannon@telus.net wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: terence.gannon@telus.net
>
>I thought that things were getting a little quiet on the 'List, so I figure I
>would stir up a new insurance thread. ;-) Heard what may well be an urban
>myth that insurance companies are reluctant/unwilling to accept DIGITAL
>photographs to substantiate a claim. The theory, I'm assuming, that there
>fairly easy to doctor these days.
>
>I'm assuming that a lot of 'Listers are using precisely this technology for
>documenting their projects, and if it's an issue, I figured we oughtta know
>about it.
>
>Comments??
>
They didn't seem to have a problem with their adjuster using one when my
pickup backed into a freind's C170. It wasn't my fault; I was inside the
hanger at the time & had left the pickup (running) several minutes earlier.
Charlie (Knight Rider) England
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| Subject: | RV7A tip-up canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: sjhdcl@kingston.net
Reference tip-up canopy RV7A.
I have all the canopy frame drilled and clecoed. I'll rivet the W725 side
supports to the W716 frame tonight. The next step calls to start cutting the
canopy.
Anybody see any reason I can't delay this step for now and move on to install
to gas struts, hold downs, drill 631 together, etc right now?
Too cold for plexi here and will be for another month.
Steve Hurlbut
Rv7A
Ontario, Canada
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| Subject: | DC Rating (was: [ExperimentalAvionics] off topic request) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
At 08:41 PM 1/31/2003, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "ron dewees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
>
>Hi.. I agree completely with what Marshall just said about using a relay to
>handle current, but would add that believing the rating of a switch can be
>VERY hazardous to you health. I rode a "quiet" 2 cycle engine to the ground
>twice before realizing that the Mag switch that was rated at 20Amps AC is
>only good for about 1/10th that in DC.
Newbees to Electric Vehicles make this mistake all the time. You
MUST have the proper DC voltage rating for the device to work correctly.
This includes switches, relays, breakers, and fuses. The device will not
open, but will arc across internally instead.
In a silent EV, you can actually hear the hiss of the arc across
the contacts, (kind of like a leak in a tire.) Then smoke starts to pour
out. Then the switch catches fire. I have had a 7 amp fuse, not rated for
the voltage, fail to clear when a component shorted out. It just arced
across and the current kept flowing. The 70 amp main fuse, that was rated
for the voltage, did clear and prevented the car from going up in flames.
The Cutler-Hammer switches mentioned earlier in this thread are an
excellent choice for DC.
_ /| Bill "Wisenheimer" Dube'
\'o.O' <billdube@KillaCycle.com>
=(___) U Check out the bike -> http://www.KillaCycle.com
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| Subject: | Re: interior paint woes |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
At 09:56 AM 2/3/2003, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
>
>Are you open to using a completely different paint type? I just saw the
>nicest painted RV ever this past week. The interior QB fuselage was painted
>with a type of textured looking gray paint which will wear extremely well
>and you wouldn't notice if fur balls were mixed with the paint. Not too
>rough to the touch and should not be "glary" in flight.
"Trunk" paint. Great stuff. Comes out of the gun/can
multi-colored! Be sure to clear coat over it. It does not wear well and
gets dirty easily if you don't clear coat.
_ /|
\'o.O' Bill Dube'
=(___)= bdube@boulder.nist.gov
U
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| Subject: | O-360 powered Seraphim and Cherubim? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" <Rob@RobsGlass.com>
".............installing the Angel Bracket rivets"
This builder at least must be doing absolutely heavenly work. ;-]
Do NOT archive
Rob
Rob W M Shipley
RV9A N919RV Fuselage.
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| Subject: | Re: New Insurance Thread |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DANIEL W WATTERS" <danielwatters1@msn.com>
Well Glenn, dammit, the deed is done. Avery has my order. I hope your
guest bedroom is available. I ordered 2 of the marker blocks. I
immediately got an email back asking why I needed two marker blocks. Sandra
also questioned why I needed the rivet tool return spring since the C-arm
comes with one. So I deleted that. I did get a unibit, a double edge
deburring tool, the temporary assembly pins, a second set of cleco pliers, a
back riveting plate (yes I know I could have got it cheaper at Cleaveland
but it will come in the same box as everything else), air tool oil, Boelube,
emery cloth, and a box of scotch-bright pads. Also got their dimpling
mallet and after seeing Paul trying to get the scotch magic tape off of his
skins I ordered a roll of rivet tape. Total with shipping is $1845.29.
They have their pneumatic squeezer body on sale for $355. Regularily $475.
Almost bit but Sandra told me if I wait until Sun n Fun it might be a little
less. Seems like a good deal at $355 but I have already spent my allowance
for the next few years so I better wait. The beginnings of my financial
downfall have begun and it is all your fault ;
)
Dan
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| Subject: | Fw: Remembering ... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Rabaut
Subject: Remembering ...
In Memoriam
of the crew of STS-107
"High Flight"
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of-wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew -
And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand and touched the face of God.
John G. Magee, Jr.
1922-1941
Rick Husband
William McCool
Laurel Clark
Kalpana Chawla
Ilan Ramon
Michael Anderson
David Brown
~*~
When I must leave you for a little while
Please do not grieve and shed wild tears
And hug your sorrow to you through the years
But start out bravely with a gallant smile;
Reach out your hand in comfort and in cheer
And I in turn will comfort you and hold you near;
And never, never be afraid to die,
For I am waiting for you in the sky!
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| Subject: | RV tools (Was: New Insurance Thread) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
At 03:05 PM 2/3/2003, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "DANIEL W WATTERS" <danielwatters1@msn.com>
>
>Well Glenn, dammit, the deed is done. Avery has my order.
<snip>
>They have their pneumatic squeezer body on sale for $355. Regularily $475.
>Almost bit but Sandra told me if I wait until Sun n Fun it might be a little
>less. Seems like a good deal at $355 but I have already spent my allowance
>for the next few years so I better wait.
Ebay is the way to buy aviation tools, especially expensive
easy-to-ship items like a squeezer.
Here are two CP 214C squeezer clones up for auction now:
This one should go for about $140 because it comes with sets, but
it is not a CP.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31482&item=3309290061&rd=1
This clone is brand new, but poorly listed, (hard to find) so not
many folks will be bidding. It might possibly go for the minimum bid of
$250, if at all.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10368&item=2402328450&rd=1
Here is a very spiffy looking genuine CP 214C for $285
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2401718713&category=26442
I just bought a CP 214C clone for $130 + $10 shipping. Awhile
back, I bought a monster CP 351 squeezer with 9 inch deep jaws for $100.
Perfect for a bench-mount. It even has a hole in the lever for a
cable-operated foot trip. Before that, I bought a Rockwell 1/4-28 angle
drill with a big selection of brand new drills (like 200) and a set of
collet chucks for just $76.
I love Ebay for buying tools. :
)
Bill Dube'
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Streiker, Stephen D (Steve), WHLSL" <streiker@att.com>
Hi.
I live in the New York metro area (Hoboken). I am interested in eventually building
an RV-9. I wonder if anyone knows of a NY metro area RV builder. I'd be
interested in helping out in exchange for experience. I just joined EAA.
Thanks
Steve
Stephen D. Streiker
Global Account Manager - AT&T Service Provider Markets
32 Avenue of the Americas - W616 - New York, NY 10013
Phone: 212-387-5355 Fax: 360-397-7362 Mobile: 917-865-9875
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Recently I have noticed a few listers sending requests for lost or missing
contact information for other listers.
A simple way to obtain the most recent email addresses of other listers is
to go to the list archives and enter the name or the email address that you
have for the person being sought. Not always but often this will get the
contact information desired.
Entering your own email address/s can be interesting, A sort of journal like
experience might describe the outcome.
do not archive ... Jim in Kelowna
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--> RV-List message posted by: "DANIEL W WATTERS" <danielwatters1@msn.com>
My apologies for sending a private message to the entire list. I knew I had
screwed up as soon as I hit send. Another lesson learned.
Dan Watters
Tucson, AZ.
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--> RV-List message posted by: HalBenjamin@aol.com
Hi Steve,
There are several RV builders on Long Island. I don't know if anyone is
building an RV-9, but there's my 4, a 6, a couple of 8s, and I believe a 7
under construction. Feel free to give me a call in the evening during the
week.
Hal Benjamin
RV-4, Fuselage
Long Island, NY
631-385-6016
Do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Mr Christopher McGough" <vhmum@bigpond.com>
I have an Icom A200 with a Flightcom 403MC intercom.
My problem is I have no side tone. Flightcom say it is the radio.
Anyone now how to get it.
Chris and Susie
VH-MUM
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
Some or even most of us KNEW TOO!!
But that's life, so DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "DANIEL W WATTERS" <danielwatters1@msn.com>
Subject: RV-List: Sorry
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DANIEL W WATTERS" <danielwatters1@msn.com>
>
> My apologies for sending a private message to the entire list. I knew I
had
> screwed up as soon as I hit send. Another lesson learned.
>
> Dan Watters
> Tucson, AZ.
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave von Linsowe" <davevon@tir.com>
Hi guys,
Has anyone tried setting up the MAC elevator or aileron trim with a control
pot instead of push buttons?
Dave
RV-6
The need for speed ---->
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Chris Fordham" <consult@island.net>
Chris
I had the same problem using a handheld that didn't generate its own sidetone,
you or the backseater couldn't hear yourself talking when transmitting
out. The way around it is to get a intercom that generates its own sidetone,
one I believe is made by Pilot, 200 series specifically for handhelds.
Chris F
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