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1. 03:07 AM - Gear leg to fuselage fairings (davefried)
2. 04:11 AM - Re: Gear leg to fuselage fairings (Jerry Calvert)
3. 05:34 AM - Re: Cabin speaker.. (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
4. 06:26 AM - Re: Flying into Vegas (Patrick Kelley)
5. 07:25 AM - Re: Gear leg to fuselage fairings (Sam Buchanan)
6. 07:41 AM - Re: Grounding strobe shielding on RV's (Lenleg@aol.com)
7. 08:16 AM - Re: Flying into Vegas (Ed Bundy)
8. 09:00 AM - Re: Flying into Vegas (Laird Owens)
9. 09:16 AM - Re: Flying into Vegas (Brian Denk)
10. 09:20 AM - Re: Cabin speaker.. (Michael McGee)
11. 09:25 AM - Re: Flying into Vegas (Jack Textor)
12. 09:41 AM - Tinted canopy (PeterHunt1@aol.com)
13. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: Canopy seal (kempthornes)
14. 10:40 AM - Wing Crates ()
15. 10:41 AM - Fw: RV8-List: (no subject) (C. Rabaut)
16. 10:48 AM - Re: Grounding strobe shield on RV's? (czechsix@juno.com)
17. 11:28 AM - Re: Cabin speaker.. (Camille Hawthorne)
18. 11:29 AM - Re: Flying into Vegas (JusCash@aol.com)
19. 01:30 PM - Re: Front Wheel Pant Help (Gary)
20. 01:30 PM - re; Tinted canopy (Gary)
21. 02:01 PM - KY, TN, OH, IN, WVA, AL, IL + Jerry Springer get together. (Dana Overall)
22. 03:18 PM - Re: Tinted Canopy (MARTIN EMRATH)
23. 03:43 PM - Re: Re: Front Wheel Pant Help (Alex Peterson)
24. 03:47 PM - Re: Cabin speaker.. (James E. Clark)
25. 04:37 PM - Re: Cabin speaker.. (Dan Checkoway)
26. 05:03 PM - Re:Cabin speaker/noise (Christopher J Fortin)
27. 05:20 PM - Re: Cabin speaker.. (Turbo Tom)
28. 05:33 PM - Re: Cabin speaker.. (Larry Bowen)
29. 05:44 PM - Re: Re:Cabin speaker/noise (Michael McGee)
30. 06:16 PM - Facet Electric fuel pump ? (BillRVSIX@aol.com)
31. 06:50 PM - Re: Cabin speaker.. (James E. Clark)
32. 06:50 PM - Wiring harness follow up (Kevin Horton)
33. 09:18 PM - Re: Sams 1999 classic RV-6 (Karie Daniel)
34. 10:12 PM - Re: Cabin speaker.. (Dave von Linsowe)
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| Subject: | Gear leg to fuselage fairings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "davefried" <davefried@rogers.com>
I have just finished installing the prefabricated landing gear fairings that I
purchased from the F1 people. It is a good kit and has saved me from mucking about
with the messy stuff in the dead of winter.
The gear leg to fuselage fairings happen to cover the fuel tank vents completely
thus blocking them from airflow. The cowl does not seal around the gear leg
so the air within the fairing will be at the same temperature and pressure as
within the lower cowl. Does any body have any concerns about leaving this as it
is? Should I create a more direct link between the airstream and the vent?
Dave Fried
C-GZDF
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| Subject: | Re: Gear leg to fuselage fairings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
If fuel was to drip from the vent, where would it go? Something to think
about.
Jerry Calvert
Edmond Ok
RV6 N296JC(res)
----- Original Message -----
From: "davefried" <davefried@rogers.com>
Subject: RV-List: Gear leg to fuselage fairings
> --> RV-List message posted by: "davefried" <davefried@rogers.com>
>
> I have just finished installing the prefabricated landing gear fairings
that I purchased from the F1 people. It is a good kit and has saved me from
mucking about with the messy stuff in the dead of winter.
>
> The gear leg to fuselage fairings happen to cover the fuel tank vents
completely thus blocking them from airflow. The cowl does not seal around
the gear leg so the air within the fairing will be at the same temperature
and pressure as within the lower cowl. Does any body have any concerns about
leaving this as it is? Should I create a more direct link between the
airstream and the vent?
>
> Dave Fried
> C-GZDF
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Bert,
I have a 3"ish (don't remember the size exactly) Radio Shack speaker in my
6A and you can hear it at cruise. But while you are hearing it, you are
going deaf with all the noise. I installed mine not to hear at cruise, but
to hear on the ground, like at SnF or Osh, or on the ramp at my home base
when Im waiting for my Buds to show up. I really enjoy sitting in a
reclining fold up chair at SnF, watching the airshow, listening to all the
air com goings on. Just one of those things I enjoy. You can hear clearly
from about 10' away from the plane.
Now there are times on IFR x-country's where I pull my headsets off to give
my ears a break. I leave them off for only about 30 seconds or so. I can
hear the comm. Traffic out of the speaker just fine, but as all the others
have said, the noise in the cockpit is brutal.
Mine is mounted to the back wall, with holes drilled to let the sound out.
Much like a speaker in a dash board speaker mount in a car. You can see it
on my web site. Go to finishing/interior and the last 2 pictures you can see
it mounted to the upper right back baggage wall. It does not have to be in
enclosed box.
http://www.mstewart.net/michael/rv/index.htm
Mike Stewart
-----Original Message-----
From: Bert Forero [mailto:bert6@mybluelight.com]
Subject: RV-List: Cabin speaker..
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
Hello:
I am planning to install small speaker, for
receiving commnunication..
I think on long cross coutry trips, is nice not
to have a head set on....I do not care how expensive
it is, after a few hours, you feel it...
Sooo...Where is the best place to find, a small,
one, enclosed unit, ready to mount..
The ones I have seen, are a little biger than
I would like to, also, they come just bare, with no
box or enclosure...
Suggestions?
Thanks,
Bert
rv6a
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Flying into Vegas |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
Fly to McCarran (sp?). When I was doing my long cross-country for my
PVT, I flew there in a 152. My vacuum pump failed about ten miles out
and the tower vectored my in very nicely in the deep twilight. I ended
up parked between a foreign military transport and a 747 (they did ask
me to leave the plane unlocked so they could move me if necessary. As I
was dealing with the FBO for repairs the next day, a T-28 with NASA logo
taxies up and the pilots requested a fill up while they hit the casinos
(my, why didn't I get a job like that?). When I was finally repaired
and ready to go, I requested progressive taxi. The tower replied that
they were unable to see me (David amongst the Goliaths), but to taxi to
the nearest taxiway and proceed North until I was visible, which I did
and was given directions thereafter. All in all, everyone was helpful
and not in the least disturbed that I was in a small aircraft. And the
variety of aircraft there was amazing, it was like being at SnF or
Oshkosh.
Now, I can't say whether VGT is better or worse, because I've never been
there. But they have a hard act to follow.
Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - fuselage structure being jigged
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Cantrell
Subject: RV-List: Flying into Vegas
--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Cantrell <kcflyrv@pacbell.net>
Hi listers,
The wife and I are planning a weekend get-away trip to Las Vegas from
here in NoCal. (RV6 style) My plan is to fly into North L.V.(VGT). Is
this a pretty-much RV friendly airport? Safe to leave it out etc. Any
suggestions would be much appreciated.
Ken Cantrell
RV6 130 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Gear leg to fuselage fairings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
davefried wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "davefried" <davefried@rogers.com>
>
> I have just finished installing the prefabricated landing gear fairings that
I purchased from the F1 people. It is a good kit and has saved me from mucking
about with the messy stuff in the dead of winter.
>
> The gear leg to fuselage fairings happen to cover the fuel tank vents completely
thus blocking them from airflow. The cowl does not seal around the gear leg
so the air within the fairing will be at the same temperature and pressure as
within the lower cowl. Does any body have any concerns about leaving this as
it is? Should I create a more direct link between the airstream and the vent?
>
> Dave Fried
> C-GZDF
I had to cut a small "notch" in the edge of the Team Rocket fairings on
my RV-6 in order to keep the fuel vent uncovered. Sounds as if your
vents are located a bit more outboard than mine however. Could you
rework the vents so you can fit an aluminum tube extension to the
exterior of the fairings?
Builders who intend to use the Team fairings may want to consider
locating the vents far enough inboard to clear the fairings; probably
will only require a couple inches difference from the normal location.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding strobe shielding on RV's |
--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
Mark:
I grounded at the power supply but my wire runs are very short ... I used a
power supply at each wingtip. No noise !!
Len Leggette RV-8A
N901LL
Greensboro, N.C.
51 hours !!
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| Subject: | Re: Flying into Vegas |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Bundy" <ebundy@velocitus.net>
I highly recommend VGT. I've flown in there several times over the last 5
years and they just keep getting better. I was there last year and they
sent a van out to help us unload and secure the airplane, they provided COLD
bottled water gratis, and there is plenty of secure parking. The tiedown
fee is only $5 a night, they will drive you to the strip for free, and the
avgas is cheap. There is also a good restaurant with an outdoor elevated
dining area that overlooks the runway.
I would definitely avoid McCarren. Last time I checked they charged $25 a
night for tiedown, and $3.50 a gallon for avgas.
Ed Bundy
RV6a 550+ hours
> Hi listers,
> The wife and I are planning a weekend get-away trip to Las Vegas from here
in NoCal. (RV6 style) My plan is to fly into North L.V.(VGT). Is this a
pretty-much RV friendly airport? Safe to leave it out etc. Any suggestions
would be much appreciated.
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| Subject: | Re: Flying into Vegas |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
Ken,
Flying into N. Las Vegas is easy. Just get a TCA map and study it.
Also a Western States Flight Guide has lots of good info about
arrivals and departures. You can get in and out from the west
without having to talk to LV Approach if you don't like talking much.
Coming in from the east, I think you'd have to contact Approach. I'd
recommend talking to them as there is lots of big iron traffic going
in and out. I also like to have flight following over the desert, so
they'll help you into the airspace.
You'll park in front of the main terminal at VGT. Well secured.
There is an overnight fee, but they'll also take you to a hotel for
free. (There is some law preventing them from picking you
up....competing against the taxis, or something like that).
I departed two weeks ago after dark, and it was really bright around
the city, but those mountains to the west sure are dark.
Just remember to fill the tanks BEFORE you go to the casinos.....
Write me off line if you have any questions.
Laird RV-6
(My callsign "Lucky" doesn't apply within 50nm of LV)
SoCal
PS You might consider the brunch at Furnace Creek on Sunday afternoon
on the way out. Really nice in Death Valley this time of year. Free
shuttle up to the resort.
>--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Cantrell <kcflyrv@pacbell.net>
>
>Hi listers,
>The wife and I are planning a weekend get-away trip to Las Vegas
>from here in NoCal. (RV6 style) My plan is to fly into North
>L.V.(VGT). Is this a pretty-much RV friendly airport? Safe to leave
>it out etc. Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
>
>Ken Cantrell
>RV6 130 hrs
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying into Vegas |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> >Hi listers,
> >The wife and I are planning a weekend get-away trip to Las Vegas
> >from here in NoCal. (RV6 style) My plan is to fly into North
> >L.V.(VGT). Is this a pretty-much RV friendly airport? Safe to leave
> >it out etc. Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
> >
> >Ken Cantrell
> >RV6 130 hrs
> >
Ken,
I've flown into Henderson and found it quite nice and the FBO folks treated
us like Kings. They made sure we were quite comfortable, had a car and
hotel, and helped offload our bags at the airplane into a nicely air
conditioned van for the short drive to the terminal. It was easy flying
there, as it lies just outside the Macarran airspace.
I don't think you can go wrong with either north Las Vegas or Henderson.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
Just to put some numbers to this since a lot of folks like that. Several
of us have Radio Shack sound meters that we have sampled the noise level in
our RV'a with. They typically run 106-110 dB in full power climb or cruise
depending which scale you use on the meter. From what I recall of OSHA
standards (for what that' worth) this is the range for double hearing
protection in an industrial environment. That means headset AND ear
plugs. It wouldn't take long with no protection at these noise levels to
trash your hearing.
The speaker for ground use sounds like a good idea though.
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR
13B in gestation mode
At 08:37 2003-02-05 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
>
>Bert,
>I have a 3"ish (don't remember the size exactly) Radio Shack speaker in my
>6A and you can hear it at cruise. But while you are hearing it, you are
>going deaf with all the noise. I installed mine not to hear at cruise, but
>to hear on the ground, like at SnF or Osh, or on the ramp at my home base
>when Im waiting for my Buds to show up. I really enjoy sitting in a
>reclining fold up chair at SnF, watching the airshow, listening to all the
>air com goings on. Just one of those things I enjoy. You can hear clearly
>from about 10' away from the plane.
>
>Now there are times on IFR x-country's where I pull my headsets off to give
>my ears a break. I leave them off for only about 30 seconds or so. I can
>hear the comm. Traffic out of the speaker just fine, but as all the others
>have said, the noise in the cockpit is brutal.
>
>Mine is mounted to the back wall, with holes drilled to let the sound out.
>Much like a speaker in a dash board speaker mount in a car. You can see it
>on my web site. Go to finishing/interior and the last 2 pictures you can see
>it mounted to the upper right back baggage wall. It does not have to be in
>enclosed box.
>
>http://www.mstewart.net/michael/rv/index.htm
>
>Mike Stewart
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bert Forero [mailto:bert6@mybluelight.com]
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Cabin speaker..
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
>
> Hello:
>
> I am planning to install small speaker, for
>receiving commnunication..
>
> I think on long cross coutry trips, is nice not
>to have a head set on....I do not care how expensive
>it is, after a few hours, you feel it...
>
> Sooo...Where is the best place to find, a small,
>one, enclosed unit, ready to mount..
>
> The ones I have seen, are a little biger than
>I would like to, also, they come just bare, with no
>box or enclosure...
>
> Suggestions?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bert
>rv6a
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| Subject: | Flying into Vegas |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Textor" <jack@personnelincorporated.com>
Whichever field you decide, top off on arrival, since you may be a little
thin on cash upon departure.
Jack Textor
RV8
Just returned from Vegas penniless. There goes the Garmin 430
Do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: PeterHunt1@aol.com
Bert:
When I ordered my canopy six months ago from Van's I ordered the darker tint.
It was a special order (which Van's offers) and I believe Van's called it
the medium tint. It is the darkest they offer. I found it slightly darker
than the standard tint (ideal for me in Florida) but not so dark as to cause
visibility problems flying at night. You just have to ask for the darker
tint when you order your canopy. My canopy is trimmed and I can send you a
scrap piece if that would help.
Pete
RV-6, N216PH (reserved)
Working on the instrument panel
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--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 12:54 AM 2/5/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
>
> The rv6a, has aluminum fairings at rear of
>canopy...
>
> The fron of course, is fiber glassed....
On some. My canopy skirts are all aluminum as is the windshield to
fuselage fairing. I will someday redo the front and rear skirts to make
them less ugly.
I made my front by laying a sheet of clear plastic on and then marking it
up and using it as a template. Something went wrong, probably too thin
plastic so they aren't too good. They are thin.
Contrary to things I've heard, there are no compound curves required. The
parts are 'C' shaped.
Next try I'll use 1/16th inch plexi.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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--> RV-List message posted by: <dekagram@hotmail.com>
Greetings,
I'm in the process of relocating long distance and need to safely move my RV-7
wings and empennage. Does anyone have a pair 7/8 QB wing crates in the Denver
area they would like to sell? If so, please contact me off list. Thanks
Greg
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| Subject: | Fw: RV8-List: (no subject) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
It's okay everyone, Jim's just going to be visiting with the nice men in the
white coats for a little while. He was just having "an RV moment", but
he'll be good as new after a few sessions of electro-shock therapy. Why
I'm sure he'll eventually become a repeat offender; much like the rest of
us. Then he can learn to regulate his medication level (whether Thorzine,
Paxal, Lithium, or whatever) and everything will be okay.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <JamesTSherry@cs.com>
Subject: RV8-List: (no subject)
> --> RV8-List message posted by: JamesTSherry@cs.com
>
> I have enjoyed building my RV-8. I have found that there is very little in
> aviation that is easy as "1-2-3." I find the KISS is much more approbate.
> Thirty plus years in aviation and I. Have found that if someone has a
> Question the answer is not easy until you know it. Every aviation
> organization I have been in has strived to find the best way to improve
> procedures. If something could be improved,clearified or simplified,
aviators
> would relay to all concerned. When Van Marketed the QB, he opened up kit
> building to a new level. I would just like to see the plans improve with
the
> product. I built my first computer have rebuilt auto&motorcycle engines.
I
> went to Orndorffs' class. I have Both the RV-8 videos and From the Gnd Up.
I
> applaud the folks who built their aircraft he "hard" way. However I do not
> want build my aircraft's engine just to understand how it woks! Is there
> anyone out there who thinks the chapter(8) is well written and applicable
to
> the QB? If so I' quit whining. Until then, I would like to know if the
> person said it was easy as "1-2-3" built from PLANS Vs the kit (i.e., too
> simple). Jim Sherry Boulder Co. 303-530-7106
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding strobe shield on RV's? |
--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
Hmmm...interesting...a quick survey of the RV List shows pretty much everybody
is grounding the shield only at the power supply end. Funny thing is that some
folks get no noise at all, and others have problems. But the fact that there
are some who do NOT have noise even with the shields connected only at the power
supply end implies that the connection at the strobe head is not critical
for the RV series, and there's something else happening to cause the noise that
some people are experiencing. Given the variety of routing and wiring techniques
used in each individual aircraft it may be difficult to trace the source
of strobe noise...
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D firewall forward...
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Grounding strobe shield on RV's?
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 03:24 AM 2/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
>
>Bob,
>
>I'm interested in getting the strobe wire shield grounding philosophy
>clarified....understand you recommend for composite aircraft to ground
>the shielding to the strobe head body, whereas on a metal aircraft to
>leave the shield at the strobe head end unconnected. Is that correct?
Yes.
>Now, on the RV series, of course most of the wing is metal BUT the
>wingtip is fiberglass so the strobe body is not mounted directly on the
>metal airframe. So what do you recommend in this case?
Ground the base of the strobe head to the shield . . .
>I think most guys with RV's leave the strobe head end of the shielding
>unconnected but a friend with an RV-8 using this scheme has some strobe
>noise coming through the headset. Have no idea if grounding the strobe
>ends of the shielding would make a difference hence the question (he has
>the power supply end grounded).
Depending on what conditions he is hearing the strobe noise,
grounding the strobe head via shield on wiring may help. Need
more details on kind of noise and conditions under which it
happens. See chapter on noise . . .
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin speaker.. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Camille Hawthorne" <cammie@sunvalley.net>
One of my students purchased a Panther headset, which is the kind that
totally fits in the ear. He loves it. It eliminates a lot of noise too, much
more than any other headset I've seen. The microphone is in the earpiece
too. You may want to check these out, Bert.
Cammie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cabin speaker..
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
> Bert you are not going to like flying without a headset in an RV.
> I know everyone has a favorite headset but mine are peltors. I forgot
> about uncomfortable headsets when I switched to Peltors. Don't even
> know I have them on.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> Bert Forero wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
> >
> > Hello:
> >
> >
> > I am planning to install small speaker, for
> > receiving commnunication..
> >
> > I think on long cross coutry trips, is nice not
> > to have a head set on....I do not care how expensive
> > it is, after a few hours, you feel it...
> >
> > Sooo...Where is the best place to find, a small,
> > one, enclosed unit, ready to mount..
> >
> > The ones I have seen, are a little biger than
> > I would like to, also, they come just bare, with no
> > box or enclosure...
> >
> > Suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Bert
> > rv6a
> >
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> > Sign up for Internet Service under $10 dollars a month, at
http://isp.BlueLight.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying into Vegas |
--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
In a message dated 2/5/2003 5:28:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Cantrell <kcflyrv@pacbell.net>
>
> Hi listers,
> The wife and I are planning a weekend get-away trip to Las Vegas from here
> in NoCal.
> (RV6 style) My plan is to fly into North L.V.(VGT). Is this a pretty-much
> RV friendly airport? Safe to leave it out etc. Any suggestions would be
> much
> appreciated.
Hi Ken,
Flew in there a few weeks ago. Saw Laird Owens -6 landing as I departed.
Good service and facilities. They have a free shuttle van to the casinos.
You will have to catch a cab for the return. About $20 to $25 bucks.
Cash Copeland
Hayward, Ca
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| Subject: | RE: Front Wheel Pant Help |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gary" <rv9er@3rivers.net>
I did the one on my -9A a while back. It is pretty simple, assuming you have the
brackets that match the new style pant. Be sure you have the brackets on
correctly while fitting......the sharp (unrounded) corner of each of the 4 brackets
goes down and forward.
The pant has a dimple molded into it on each side that lines up with the axle.
Drill these out to 3/8, and insert a piece of allthread all the way through
the pant and both brackets. Put a nut on each side of each axle mount bracket
to position it up against the insides of the pant. Then drill the brackets
to the pant. This lines up the pant on the axle.
Then mount the pant on the nosewheel fork and wheel using the axle. Attach the
front brackets to the fork with the large cap screws. Align the pant so it is
level front to back. Before you drill the front two brackets, make sure the
clamp holding the gear fairing clears the nose portion of the pant through full
swivel of the wheel. You may have to tilt it nose up a bit to do this.
When all is set, drill the front brackets to the pant.
If you have any more questions, email me off list and I'll help you all I can.
Gary
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Hi Jim;
Hope Van's can help you with a new & better nose wheel fairing. My finish
kit arrived about 18 months ago with the new clear fiberglass main wheel
fairings but included an old style gelcoat nose wheel fairing as you seem to
have. Agree that it takes a bunch more work to get it to look nice.
You will probably be interested in Dwg C-1 dated 2/16/99. At least that's
what was supplied with my old style nose wheel fairing. Had a look today and
it doesn't have much in the way of dimensions. As I recall, I mounted the
four support brackets to the nosewheel fork and then drilled the fairing to
fit. You may want to order these as well. The part #s are U 813D-L and R
(the forward almost vertical bracket) and U 813C-L and R (the bracket that
goes lower on the wheel axle).
These are the P/Ns applicable to the old style fairing . I have not seen a
new one (at all) and this might use a different system and P/Ns to mount it.
Jim Oke
RV-6A
Wpg., MB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Norman" <jnorman@intermapsystems.com>
Subject: RV-List: Front Wheel Pant Help
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Norman" <jnorman@intermapsystems.com>
>
> All,
>
> I am quite unhappy with the quality of the front wheel pant on my 6A. It
was
> the old gelcoat style (circa 1996) and is not near the quality of the
newer
> style main leg pants (pressure recovery) that I have.
>
> Thus, I bought a new front leg pant (just the pant, not the gear leg
> fairing) from Vans.
>
> Here is what I need: I don't have any plans/measurements of where to cut
> this thing (I don't even have the old plans for the old one). I need to
> know where to cut the holes, where to put the brackets etc. Can somebody
> email me or fax me some instructions with measurements?
>
> thanks
> Jim
> Tampa
> 22 very wonderful hours.
---
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| Subject: | re; Tinted canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gary" <rv9er@3rivers.net>
Check the archives on tinted canopies.....we talked about this a while back.
Talk to the purchasing agent at Van's who orders the canopys......I think his name
is Dennis. He can give you several options on darker tints. It is a special
order item, so give them some lead time.
The standard canopy is tinted, but is barely noticeable.
I put the next darker tint on my -9A, but have not flown yet. It is definitey
noticeable, but not super dark like the Zeniths. I think it will be just right
for me. It is around $100 more.
You didn't say which model you are building, but if it is a tandem model, Todd's
Canopies is another option. He didn't respond to my inquiry, but I found out
he didn't have the 6/7/9 available then.
Gary
My canopy is tinted. It is subtle and I don't notice it from the inside,
but it makes the airplane look a little nicer from the outside
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/P1090013.JPG. I can't remember if there was
an option for an untinted or not, when I ordered but I suspect most of them
are tinted. I just briefly looked at the Van's site and could not find that
there is an option now. Probably tinted is the standard.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
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| Subject: | KY, TN, OH, IN, WVA, AL, IL + Jerry Springer get together. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
I stepped on toes not inviting everyone to my shop on Feb. 15 so if you can
read this......you are invited:-).
I'm reposting this just as a reminder. Looks like we could have a nice
little party.....or whatever. Time to shake this winter rust off and get
back into the flying mood.
Here's the repost.
For those of you outside the KY area, please delete and I apoligize
>beforehand for using the RV list. It's easier to ask for forgivness than
>ask for permission:-) Flight time as a reference, I can be in Huntsville,
>AL, or Evansville, IN in a little over an hour in my Bonanza.
>
>I'm opening my shop, office and den up for anyone in the area to stop by
>one week from Sat., Feb. 15th., for a little winter RV get
together.
>My house is two hours from the TN line and 2 hours from the OH line about
10
>minutes off I-75.
>
>Since there are no flyins this time of year, I'll lay my project out for
>inspection/insult/ whatever to be able to meet some of the "local" RV
>builders and fliers. Just don't find that one rivet I didn't use a guage
>on........come to think of it, there might be two. I know Daniel, who cut
>his lightening holes yesterday, Jim in lex builder of an 8, Jim Sears a 6
>flyer but would like to get to know others in the area.
>
>I'll provide the "refreshments" as long as you provide a driver:-) For
>those wanting to fly in, the nearest airport is I39 Madison Co. I'll
leave
>a car and keys at the airport. You will have access to my shop, office and
>den. We will be telling lies, drinking spirits.....I mean having spirit,
>playing pool, ice skating on the pool or playing lawn darts with the
>icicles.
>
>Seriously, I figure this is a good way to keep the winter juices flowing
and
>put some faces with names off this list. Mapquest puts my house two
houses
>away but will get you here. I guess I could take the flag down and lean a
>HS by the front door, that should point out the right house. Remember, do
>something good on Friday 14th......V-day, so the little lady will let you
>come to Richmond, KY on the 15th.
>
>
>Dana Overall
>1036 Countryside Drive
>Richmond, KY
>859 369-3156 or cell 859 625-2844
>http://rvflying.tripod.com
>do not archive
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
>From: "Gary" <rv9er@3rivers.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: re; Tinted canopy
>Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:25:25 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Gary" <rv9er@3rivers.net>
>
>Check the archives on tinted canopies.....we talked about this a while
>back.
>
>Talk to the purchasing agent at Van's who orders the canopys......I think
>his name is Dennis. He can give you several options on darker tints. It
>is a special order item, so give them some lead time.
>
>The standard canopy is tinted, but is barely noticeable.
>
>I put the next darker tint on my -9A, but have not flown yet. It is
>definitey noticeable, but not super dark like the Zeniths. I think it
>will be just right for me. It is around $100 more.
>
>You didn't say which model you are building, but if it is a tandem model,
>Todd's Canopies is another option. He didn't respond to my inquiry, but I
>found out he didn't have the 6/7/9 available then.
>
>Gary
>
>My canopy is tinted. It is subtle and I don't notice it from the inside,
>but it makes the airplane look a little nicer from the outside
>http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/P1090013.JPG. I can't remember if there was
>an option for an untinted or not, when I ordered but I suspect most of them
>are tinted. I just briefly looked at the Van's site and could not find
>that
>there is an option now. Probably tinted is the standard.
>
>Larry Pardue
>Carlsbad, NM
>
>RV-6 N441LP Flying
>
>
>---
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tinted Canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: MARTIN EMRATH <emrath@comcast.net>
I went through this last spring. The Supplier of these canopies is in
Ohio. I called and received samples of plexi with the various tints.
Actually, two, Light Grey Tint (std in Van's finishing kit)
and "Dark". The dark is not much different in the day time to look
through, but it is definately darker at night. The lady in Ohio that I
spoke to said when she gets an order for a clear canopy, she asks who
it is for and they all seem to be airline pilots as that is what they
are used to flying behind. Not sure if this is so. Also, the Dark tint
is too dark to meet FAA rules for use in certified ships. However,
many of the fiberglass builders seem to go for the darker tints, she
stated. Van's can provide the phone number of the supplier. The other
item is that it cost more to special order, and it will ship direct and
thus you will have additional shipping to consider. In the end, I went
with Van's standard Light Tint and plan to put on a Kroger (sic)
Sunshield/screen.
Marty in Brentwood TN RV-6A
Time: 08:37:01 PM PST US
From: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: tinted canopy
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
>
> Hi:
>
>
> I have never seeing an rv.,with the tinted canopy
> that Van's offer...
> I ppersonally, would like this, but would like
> to hear from any one that has installed or plan to do
> so...I am sure the tint on Van's planes, would not
> be as dark, if that is so., as Zenith aircrafts, altough
> is nothing wrong with the looks...
>
>
My canopy is tinted. It is subtle and I don't notice it from the
inside,
but it makes the airplane look a little nicer from the outside
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/P1090013.JPG. I can't remember if there
was
an option for an untinted or not, when I ordered but I suspect most of
them
are tinted. I just briefly looked at the Van's site and could not find
that
there is an option now. Probably tinted is the standard.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
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| Subject: | RE: Front Wheel Pant Help |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
Does Van's A/C still have the nosewheel fairing mount design that
requires removal of the nosewheel axle to remove the fairing? If so, I
can't believe it. A much better way to mount it was discussed several
years ago. Look at the archives under my name and nosewheel, should be
there.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 251 hours, still in Italy not flying!
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
> The pant has a dimple molded into it on each side that
> lines up with the axle. Drill these out to 3/8, and insert a
> piece of allthread all the way through the pant and both
> brackets. Put a nut on each side of each axle mount bracket
> to position it up against the insides of the pant. Then
> drill the brackets to the pant. This lines up the pant on the axle.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <jclark@conterra.com>
Bert,
Many have said it but let me add another data point ...
I was flying with a friend a few years ago in his RV. He was allowing me to
fly and just as we cleared some "Class Charlie" airspace and began a climb,
I hear "beep, beep, **NOISE!!!!*!!!
There was some sor of failure in the elctrical system that had us on battery
and the battery did not hold up very long so we were without radio or
intercom.
No problem ... I am a belt and suspenders kinda guy so of course I had
brought along my handheld radio.
He takes the plane and I try to get on the radio to say we are returning.
Here is the punch line...
It was SO LOUD in the RV cabin that I had to turn the volume on the KX99 to
MAX *and* hold it RIGHT NEXT TO MY EAR to hear anything over the "in the 55
gallon drum being beaten unmercifully" sound of the RV cabin.
I suggest that if you have not done so, go take a ride with someone and try
to listen to the a handheld radio without headsets.
My RV partner has some brand of earplugs that are custom molded for her ears
and are a headset with microphone. I think she loves it. Just plugs into her
ears.
I have found a VAST difference in the feel of different headsets. Maybe
there is just that right brand out there that will work for you without
giving you a clamping force headache. I eventually found some that worked
for me.
Your mileage may vary ...
Just more food for thought ...
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:35 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Cabin speaker..
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
>
> Bert Forero wrote:
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
> >
> > Hello:
> >
> > I am planning to install small speaker, for
> > receiving commnunication..
> >
> > I think on long cross coutry trips, is nice not
> > to have a head set on....I do not care how expensive
> > it is, after a few hours, you feel it...
>
>
> Bert, I don't think there is any way you could hear the sound from a
> speaker in an RV at cruise. :-)
>
> If you decide to chuck your headset for awhile, you better have some
> earplugs to save your hearing because the cabin in an RV-6 is one of the
> loudest you will experience in a small plane. Minimal, or no cabin
> insulation, an unmuffled, open exhaust just below your feet, and nearly
> 200mph of wind noise just inches from your ears is probably more than
> you will want to endure without hearing protection.
>
> Sam Buchanan (1999 RV-6 Classic)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin speaker.. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> It was SO LOUD in the RV cabin that I had to turn the volume on the KX99
to
> MAX *and* hold it RIGHT NEXT TO MY EAR to hear anything over the "in the
55
> gallon drum being beaten unmercifully" sound of the RV cabin.
FYI, you can get a headset adapter, which allows you to plug your headset
right into most transceivers.
)_( Dan
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re:Cabin speaker/noise |
--> RV-List message posted by: Christopher J Fortin <cjfortin@juno.com>
I'm curious, does anyone have actual sound level measurements for their
RVs. Having never flown in one all I can go by is the comments I see
posted. I know what the levels are where I work and would like to make a
comparison.
Thanks,
Chris Fortin
Mexico, NY
Shoveling snow and studying the RV-8 plans
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin speaker.. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Turbo Tom" <turbotom@mindspring.com>
Mike Stewart wrote:
>I installed mine not to hear at cruise, but
> to hear on the ground, like at SnF or Osh, or on the ramp at my home base
> when Im waiting for my Buds to show up. I really enjoy sitting in a
> reclining fold up chair at SnF, watching the airshow, listening to all the
> air com goings on. Just one of those things I enjoy. You can hear clearly
> from about 10' away from the plane.
Actually Mike, it's more like 20 to 50 feet, and clear. I walked by your
plane at the RV Formation Clinic a weekend ago and the clarity is amazing.
Beats a handheld all to pieces. There were at least 10 people hanging
around your ship listing to the other RVs arrive. It does beckon, and bring
the lawnchairs, please.
TT
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
There are also these guys: http://www.quiettechnologies.com/
Has anyone tried them?
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
2003 - The year of flight!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Camille Hawthorne
> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:27 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Cabin speaker..
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Camille Hawthorne"
> --> <cammie@sunvalley.net>
>
> One of my students purchased a Panther headset, which is the
> kind that totally fits in the ear. He loves it. It eliminates
> a lot of noise too, much more than any other headset I've
> seen. The microphone is in the earpiece too. You may want to
> check these out, Bert. Cammie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Cabin speaker..
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer
> <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Bert you are not going to like flying without a headset in an RV. I
> > know everyone has a favorite headset but mine are peltors. I forgot
> > about uncomfortable headsets when I switched to Peltors. Don't even
> > know I have them on.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> > Bert Forero wrote:
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero"
> <bert6@mybluelight.com>
> > >
> > > Hello:
> > >
> > >
> > > I am planning to install small speaker, for
> > > receiving commnunication..
> > >
> > > I think on long cross coutry trips, is nice not
> > > to have a head set on....I do not care how expensive
> > > it is, after a few hours, you feel it...
> > >
> > > Sooo...Where is the best place to find, a small,
> > > one, enclosed unit, ready to mount..
> > >
> > > The ones I have seen, are a little biger than
> > > I would like to, also, they come just bare, with no
> > > box or enclosure...
> > >
> > > Suggestions?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > >
> > > Bert
> > > rv6a
> > >
> > >
> > > Do not archive
> > >
> > > Sign up for Internet Service under $10 dollars a month, at
> http://isp.BlueLight.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:Cabin speaker/noise |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
At 20:00 2003-02-05 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Christopher J Fortin <cjfortin@juno.com>
>
>I'm curious, does anyone have actual sound level measurements for their
>RVs. Having never flown in one all I can go by is the comments I see
>posted. I know what the levels are where I work and would like to make a
>comparison.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chris Fortin
>Mexico, NY
>Shoveling snow and studying the RV-8 plans
106-110 dB
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR
13B in gestation mode
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| Subject: | Facet Electric fuel pump ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: BillRVSIX@aol.com
Hello dose any have any idea how many amps the Facet fuel pump from vans
draws. Working on bus load analysis and need to figure out circuit breaker
size. Thanks
Bill Higgins
Pembroke Ma.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <jclark@conterra.com>
Yes,
I have one, but of course this time I had left it behind for some strange
reason.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:23 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Cabin speaker..
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> > It was SO LOUD in the RV cabin that I had to turn the volume on the KX99
> to
> > MAX *and* hold it RIGHT NEXT TO MY EAR to hear anything over
> the "in the
> 55
> > gallon drum being beaten unmercifully" sound of the RV cabin.
>
> FYI, you can get a headset adapter, which allows you to plug your headset
> right into most transceivers.
>
> )_( Dan
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Wiring harness follow up |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
I reported yesterday about some problems I had with the vendor
supplied wiring harnesses that I purchased with my avionics. There
were several pairs of wires that were on the wrong pins, and one
power line was only 20 AWG even though it was supposed to get a 10a
fuse.
I received many e-mails, on and off the lists, so please understand
if I don't respond to each one individually.
Today I called the vendor to talk to him. He was very cooperative
and easy to deal with. He said that his employees are supposed to
"ohm out" each harness, but that something obviously went wrong with
my harness. He offered to take the harness back, personally fix all
the problems, and to give it a complete inspection - no charge.
Power line - I originally was concerned that I could be looking at a
possible smoke event if the 20 AWG power line ever shorted. However,
Bob Nuckolls responded that although a 10a fuse was a bit much for a
20 AWG wire, and the wire would get hotter than desired if it ever
shorted, it should not lead to a smoke event.
I discussed this issue with the vendor. He explained that the Garmin
specified 18 AWG wire requires an extra long pin to make room for a
larger crimp area. In his opinion, this long pin has a real risk of
later shorting out against other wires in the connector. He
discussed the issue with his local FAA folks, and convinced them to
allow him to use 20 AWG wire.
Note - this power line "Y's" to go to two pins, so it should be
possible to use 20 AWG wire from the pins to the Y, and 18 AWG wire
the rest of the way. I didn't think to bring this up with the vendor
while I had him on the phone, but I requested he do this in the
letter I sent with the harnesses.
Many people wanted me to name the vendor, as they seemed to want to
stay away from him. That was not the point of my messages. Even
with the issues I had with my wiring harness I am still glad I chose
the vendor I did. Any vendor can make a mistake. The important
thing is how they deal with the mistake.
My story was intended to advise that wiring harnesses should be
completely checked out on the bench before installing them in the
aircraft. Several of my problems would not have been noticed until I
was doing the functional checks after installation, and it would have
been very difficult to find and correct the problems with harness
embedded in the aircraft. Don't just assume that any vendor supplied
part is good without inspecting it.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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| Subject: | Re: Sams 1999 classic RV-6 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karied4@attbi.com>
Careful it's a ploy to get you to buy another kit!
Karie
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Sams 1999 classic RV-6
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
>
> Sam Buchanan wrote:
> >
> > Sam Buchanan (1999 RV-6 Classic)
> >
> Van told me told me two weeks ago that my 1989 RV-6 was an antique.
> That should make it worth more money right? :-)
>
> Jerry
> do not archive
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin speaker.. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave von Linsowe" <davevon@tir.com>
The noise is really relative. After flying a Pitts for the last 7 years
before the RV, I thought the RV wasn't too bad.
My RV-6 just has floor carpeting and some panels on the side walls and
nothing on the firewall, I am running a short prop.
One flight I forgot to turn off my cell phone. I heard it ring in my jacket
pocket and answered it. It wasn't easy to hear the other party, but they
couldn't tell I was flying in the airplane!
Before anyone comments, I know the FCC doesn't approve and I wasn't so high
as to lock up a bunch of repeaters (or whatever the phone company calls
them) and my instruments didn't go crazy and I didn't crash. ;-)
Dave
RV-6
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Subject: Re: RV-List: Cabin speaker..
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> > It was SO LOUD in the RV cabin that I had to turn the volume on the KX99
> to
> > MAX *and* hold it RIGHT NEXT TO MY EAR to hear anything over the "in
the
> 55
> > gallon drum being beaten unmercifully" sound of the RV cabin.
>
> FYI, you can get a headset adapter, which allows you to plug your headset
> right into most transceivers.
>
> )_( Dan
> do not archive
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