---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/10/03: 41 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:01 AM - Re: Vertical Stab Pre-punched holes (Thomas McCausland) 2. 06:30 AM - Re: from the EAA news wire re insurance (John Helms) 3. 07:13 AM - Garmin 196 (Dave von Linsowe) 4. 07:14 AM - Spam? (Brad Benson) 5. 08:39 AM - Re: Garmin 196 (Terry Watson) 6. 10:06 AM - Re: Garmin 196 (Larry Bowen) 7. 11:02 AM - Oceanside Airport Needs You! (lima) 8. 11:16 AM - First Flight (Van Artsdalen, Scott) 9. 11:27 AM - Re: Cabin Heat Box TG-10 (HCRV6@aol.com) 10. 11:37 AM - Re: First Flight (Lenleg@aol.com) 11. 11:41 AM - Re: First Flight (Meier, George) 12. 11:45 AM - Re: First Flight (HCRV6@aol.com) 13. 11:55 AM - Re: First Flight (Jim Jewell) 14. 12:25 PM - I really need an engine:-) (Dana Overall) 15. 12:42 PM - Re: I really need an engine:-) (Ross Schlotthauer) 16. 12:45 PM - Re: First Flight (C. Rabaut) 17. 01:10 PM - Re; First Flight (Oldsfolks@aol.com) 18. 01:28 PM - Re: Re: rubber guards on mushroom sets (Elsa & Henry) 19. 01:35 PM - Re: Blind Rivet Question 7A HS Stab (Mike D.) 20. 01:36 PM - Re; First Flight (Oldsfolks@aol.com) 21. 01:43 PM - Panther Electronics vs. Quiet Technologies Headsets (Lenleg@aol.com) 22. 02:26 PM - Re: First Flight (Elsa & Henry) 23. 03:20 PM - Re: First Flight (John Starn) 24. 03:33 PM - Lycoming Flywheel Orientation (John H. Wiegenstein) 25. 03:47 PM - Re: First Flight (Charles Rowbotham) 26. 03:53 PM - Re: Lycoming Flywheel Orientation (Kyle Boatright) 27. 04:10 PM - Re: Panther Electronics vs. Quiet Technologies (Gary Liming) 28. 04:45 PM - Re: Panther Electronics vs. Quiet Technologies Headsets (Jim Jewell) 29. 04:51 PM - Re: Panther Electronics vs. Quiet Technologies Headsets (Lenleg@aol.com) 30. 05:11 PM - Re: Panther Electronics vs. Quiet Technologies Headsets (Lenleg@aol.com) 31. 05:19 PM - Anywhere Map GPS for sale (Al Grajek) 32. 05:41 PM - Re: Lycoming Flywheel Orientation (Konrad Werner) 33. 06:25 PM - Re: Lycoming Flywheel Orientation (Kyle Boatright) 34. 07:14 PM - Re: Lycoming Flywheel Orientation (Brian Denk) 35. 07:36 PM - Re: First Flight (David Aronson) 36. 07:36 PM - Re: Panther Electronics vs. Quiet Technologies Headsets (David Aronson) 37. 07:37 PM - Comm and Transponder antenna routing/ RV6 (Rv6238@aol.com) 38. 08:03 PM - Re: 6A/8A Tow Bar... (John) 39. 10:32 PM - Re: First Flight (Mark Phillips) 40. 10:42 PM - Re: Lycoming Flywheel Orientation (Ross Scroggs) 41. 10:42 PM - Drilling lightening holes () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:01:15 AM PST US From: "Thomas McCausland" Subject: Re: RV-List: Vertical Stab Pre-punched holes --> RV-List message posted by: "Thomas McCausland" Subject: RV-List: Vertical Stab Pre-punched holes From: "" Date sent: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 01:32:47 -0500 (EST) Send reply to: rv-list@matronics.com > --> RV-List message posted by: "" > > > 7 Builders, > > I was clecoing up the VS today, and I noticed that the forward-most hole on the VS-705 and VS-706 were missing. It shows the hole on the drawing and makes no mention of drilling it in the plans. From the way it looks, I need to use the forward-most skin holes as a guide and drill through the rib. Is the hole in the rib missing intentionally to ease alignment, or did my ribs just miss a hole? All of the rest of the rib/skin holes aligned beautifully. > > Thanks in advance, > Scott I just did that step yesterday. My VS ribs were the same. I used the skin hole as a guide and drilled/riveted the missing hole. I think there was a similar situation on the HS. VS and HS done. Working on the rudder RV7A Tom McCausland ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:45 AM PST US From: "John Helms" Subject: Re: RV-List: from the EAA news wire re insurance --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" FYI: That plan is available thru ANY AVIATION INSURANCE AGENT as long as you're a current EAA member. JT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Buchanan" Subject: RV-List: from the EAA news wire re insurance --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan February 7, 2003 - Responding to the ever-diversifying needs of its members, EAA announced a major enhancement to the EAA Aircraft Insurance Plan this week. Effective immediately, aircraft powered by most auto engine conversion packages and non-type certificated aircraft engines are insurable under the plan. Charlie Becker, Director of EAA Aviation Information Services department, stated, This change in the EAA Aircraft Insurance Plan will cover EAA members who choose a non-traditional engine to power their aircraft. EAAers have always been searching for lower cost, more efficient powerplants since EAA was formed 50 years ago. Now, the vast majority of these modern engine packages can be insured under the EAA plan. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:58 AM PST US From: "Dave von Linsowe" Subject: RV-List: Garmin 196 --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave von Linsowe" I'm toying with the idea of panel mounting a Garmin 196. Has anyone used one at night? How good is the visibility of the display at night? Thanks, Dave RV-6 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:04 AM PST US From: "Brad Benson" Subject: RV-List: Spam? --> RV-List message posted by: "Brad Benson" So did anyone else from this list get spammed by aircraftextras.com? I suspect they got my address from this list after seeing their advertisement posted to the group last week. Do Not Archive Thanks! Brad "Sharpie" Benson RV6AQB underway... ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:23 AM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Garmin 196 --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" Dave, I use my Garmin 196 in my car and truck often at night. It's easier to see than during the daytime because of the backlighting. It is getting a removable mount on the panel of my RV-8A. I'll let you know how that works in a couple of years. Terry --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave von Linsowe" I'm toying with the idea of panel mounting a Garmin 196. Has anyone used one at night? How good is the visibility of the display at night? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 196 From: "Larry Bowen" --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" I've panel-mounted mine. Not flying yet, but it seems to work well enough walking around the back yard in the dark. (I don't know why the neighbors think I'm wierd.....) -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com 2003: The Year of Flight! Dave von Linsowe said: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave von Linsowe" > > I'm toying with the idea of panel mounting a Garmin 196. > > Has anyone used one at night? How good is the visibility of the display > at night? > > Thanks, > Dave > RV-6 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:45 AM PST US From: "lima" Subject: RV-List: Oceanside Airport Needs You! --> RV-List message posted by: "lima" Oceanside Airport Needs You! Yet another valuable airport is being threatened by those who do not understand the immense value aviation plays in this nation. This time, it's a wonderful little airport in Southern California, specifically Oceanside, CA. We received the following missive courtesy one of ANN's favorite News-Spies and are sharing it, in its entirety, with you to respond as you see appropriate. Please note that if this potential closing does not directly affect you, that it is STILL advisable to show what support you can... because the next airport threatened may be yours, and you'll need all the help you can get... Dear Fellow Pilots: The City of Oceanside has scheduled a Workshop to determine the future of the Oceanside Airport on Wednesday, February 19th. The time of the meeting has not been determined yet. I will inform you when I know. It will be during the day. I am asking all area pilots to attend this meeting. I cannot emphasize enough the importance of this meeting. The Council will either vote to CLOSE THE AIRPORT or vote to develop it. We cannot tolerate AIRPORT CLOSURE. The Oceanside Airport Association Board of Directors has done everything possible to garner support for the Oceanside Airport. If the Oceanside Airport is important to you, or if you would like to help prevent another airport closure, a few minutes of your time to email can make a difference. Here is what I need from you today: 1) If you live in Southern California, please make a commitment to attend the workshop on February 19th. If not, please CALL, FAX, and/or E-mail the Oceanside Mayor and City Council asking them to Implement the 1997 Airport Master Plan Immediately. 2) You can E-mail the council members simultaneously at council@ci.Oceanside.ca.us. Fellow pilots... this is the fork in the road. The future of the Oceanside Airport depends on what we pilots do in the next two weeks. The future of the Oceanside Airport depends on all of us. Alan Cruise, President Oceanside Airport Association MEMBERS OF THE OCEANSIDE CITY COUNCIL Terry W. Johnson, Mayor: tjohnson@ci.oceanside.ca.us Esther Sanchez, Deputy Mayor: esanchez@ci.oceanside.ca.us Jack Feller, Council Member: jfeller@ci.oceanside.ca.us Rocky Chavez, Council Member: cchavez@ci.oceanside.ca.us For the WHOLE story, go to http://www.aero-news.net/news/sport.cfm?ContentBlockID7872 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:16:34 AM PST US From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" Subject: RV-List: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" I have been looking forward to this day for 5 years, 1 month, 3 weeks, and 2 days. RV-4 N311SV finally took to the skies on Sunday, February 9th at 1530 PST! Here's the pertinent info for those of you who don't like stories: Take off run: I don't know, pretty short. I'd estimate about 500' Climb Rate: I don't know. Brisk. Control Response: VERY heavy right wing. Estimate about 10 lbs of force to hold against the right rolling tendancy. Probably from readjusting my right flap per my mechanic's instructions. I'm going to put it back where I thought it should be. Indicated Airspeed at 3500 MSL: 140kts. I'll take my GPS up with me next time and do the 4 direction runs to get a better idea. Feeling: Indescribable. For those who *do* like stories..... It started out like any other Sunday: get up go to church, tell people, "No, I haven't flown it yet. I don't know when I'll fly it. Soon." To answer all the questions. I told my pastor that the plane was ready to fly and that I would appreciate a prayer or two beforehand. So he came out to O27 at about 1430. He had restored a motorcycle and was very much impressed that I built an airplane. We spent some time ooh-ing and ah-ing over it and two other RVs that were being worked on by EAA Chapter 90. My wife and kids showed up just in time for the prayer. I told them that I was just going to top off the tanks and would probably fly it this Friday when there wasn't a crowd around. I was feeling very nervous at this point. Sure I had been looking forward to this moment for 5 years but now that it was finally here ... well ... to quote a friend who recently flew his RV-8, "I felt like a dead man walking out to the gallows." I filled up the tanks and then confided in my wife that I was going to go. I hopped in, taxied out, and performed my runup. Everything still looked good. Damn! I was going to have to fly it. I called on the radio: "Attention Oakdale area traffic. N311SV departing runway two eight, first flight." Another RV-builder and friend made a mad dash to his car to grab his digital camera. And then sprinted halfway down the runway to get some pics. I slowly advanced the throttle to full power. Acceleration felt good. I felt the tail come up. Still good. A little rudder work to keep her on the centerline. Ease back on the stick and - SHE'S FLYING! SHE'S FLYING TO THE RIGHT!! OH MAN! SHE'S REALLY PULLING TO THE RIGHT HARD!!! But landing on the 3000 foot runway wasn't an option as I was already about 500' up. I still cannot believe how fast these things climb! All other control inputs felt normal and response was normal. I elected to continue the flight. I looked at the instruments once to see what my airspeed was and saw that I was at 1500 feet. I looked at the ground and it appeared I was much higher than that so I checked my altimeter again, now I was at 2100 feet! These things really climb! I leveled off at 3500 feet and tried to recall Van's words, "The airplane is flying. No just sit back and try to relax." After about 10 minutes I slowed to 85 mph and tried a few turns. By the way, if you're not used to flying slippery planes, these things do not slow down like your garden variety Cessna. I know, I know, the guys that have been flying RV's for a while will say they slow down just fine and I will probably find that to be true. But for a low-time RV pilot like me it just wanted to keep going and going! This is where I experienced the only other major squawk with the plane. At around 1600 RPM I started to notice an oscillation in the front of the plane. Like an out of balance tire feels. If I reduced RPMs the oscillation went away, if I increased it went away. It seemed to occur right in the 1400 - 1600 RPM range. I'm turning a Catto prop. My gut feeling is that it's the spinner. I'm going to readjust it. I throttled back and bit and pointed her downhill and towards the airport. I gave myself plenty of room on the 45 and downwind to slow down even further. It's amazing how much you have to throttle back on the down wind to get slowed down. I felt like I was almost chopping the power. It's just after the speed and acceleration I just experienced it seemed really slow! Anyway, I came in a little fast and floated quite a bit. I touched down about mid-field and made a beautiful greaser! Heavy stick and all! I then taxied down to the Chapter 90 hangar and enjoyed the camaraderie of a bunch of great guys! I never felt so good as when I shut that engine down right in front of the EAA hangar. It was an amazing feeling! We unfortunately didn't capture the RV grin but I will post a few pictures on the Photo share. I have been waiting 5 years to say this: KEEP POUNDING THOSE RIVITS! YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE THIS AIRPLANE!!! -- Scott VanArtsdalen Network Manager Union Safe Deposit Bank 209-946-5116 I have been looking forward to this day for 5 years, 1 month, 3 weeks, and 2 days. RV-4 N311SV finally took to the skies on Sunday, February 9th at 1530 PST! Here's the pertinent info for those of you who don't like stories: Take off run: I don't know, pretty short. I'd estimate about 500' Climb Rate: I don't know. Brisk. Control Response: VERY heavy right wing. Estimate about 10 lbs of force to hold against the right rolling tendancy. Probably from readjusting my right flap per my mechanic's instructions. I'm going to put it back where I thought it should be. Indicated Airspeed at 3500 MSL: 140kts. I'll take my GPS up with me next time and do the 4 direction runs to get a better idea. Feeling: Indescribable. For those who *do* like stories..... It started out like any other Sunday: get up go to church, tell people, "No, I haven't flown it yet. I don't know when I'll fly it. Soon." To answer all the questions. I told my pastor that the plane was ready to fly and that I would appreciate a prayer or two beforehand. So he came out to O27 at about 1430. He had restored a motorcycle and was very much impressed that I built an airplane. We spent some time ooh-ing and ah-ing over it and two other RVs that were being worked on by EAA Chapter 90. My wife and kids showed up just in time for the prayer. I told them that I was just going to top off the tanks and would probably fly it this Friday when there wasn't a crowd around. I was feeling very nervous at this point. Sure I had been looking forward to this moment for 5 years but now that it was finally here ... well ... to quote a friend who recently flew his RV-8, "I felt like a dead man walking out to the gallows." I filled up the tanks and then confided in my wife that I was going to go. I hopped in, taxied out, and performed my runup. Everything still looked good. Damn! I was going to have to fly it. I called on the radio: "Attention Oakdale area traffic. N311SV departing runway two eight, first flight." Another RV-builder and friend made a mad dash to his car to grab his digital camera. And then sprinted halfway down the runway to get some pics. I slowly advanced the throttle to full power. Acceleration felt good. I felt the tail come up. Still good. A little rudder work to keep her on the centerline. Ease back on the stick and - SHE'S FLYING! SHE'S FLYING TO THE RIGHT!! OH MAN! SHE'S REALLY PULLING TO THE RIGHT HARD!!! But landing on the 3000 foot runway wasn't an option as I was already about 500' up. I still cannot believe how fast these things climb! All other control inputs felt normal and response was normal. I elected to continue the flight. I looked at the instruments once to see what my airspeed was and saw that I was at 1500 feet. I looked at the ground and it appeared I was much higher than that so I checked my altimeter again, now I was at 2100 feet! These things really climb! I leveled off at 3500 feet and tried to recall Van's words, "The airplane is flying. No just sit back and try to relax." After about 10 minutes I slowed to 85 mph and tried a few turns. By the way, if you're not used to flying slippery planes, these things do not slow down like your garden variety Cessna. I know, I know, the guys that have been flying RV's for a while will say they slow down just fine and I will probably find that to be true. But for a low-time RV pilot like me it just wanted to keep going and going! This is where I experienced the only other major squawk with the plane. At around 1600 RPM I started to notice an oscillation in the front of the plane. Like an out of balance tire feels. If I reduced RPMs the oscillation went away, if I increased it went away. It seemed to occur right in the 1400 - 1600 RPM range. I'm turning a Catto prop. My gut feeling is that it's the spinner. I'm going to readjust it. I throttled back and bit and pointed her downhill and towards the airport. I gave myself plenty of room on the 45 and downwind to slow down even further. It's amazing how much you have to throttle back on the down wind to get slowed down. I felt like I was almost chopping the power. It's just after the speed and acceleration I just experienced it seemed really slow! Anyway, I came in a little fast and floated quite a bit. I touched down about mid-field and made a beautiful greaser! Heavy stick and all! I then taxied down to the Chapter 90 hangar and enjoyed the camaraderie of a bunch of great guys! I never felt so good as when I shut that engine down right in front of the EAA hangar. It was an amazing feeling! We unfortunately didn't capture the RV grin but I will post a few pictures on the Photo share. I have been waiting 5 years to say this: KEEP POUNDING THOSE RIVITS! YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE THIS AIRPLANE!!! -- Scott VanArtsdalen Network Manager Union Safe Deposit Bank 209-946-5116 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:27:23 AM PST US From: HCRV6@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Cabin Heat Box TG-10 --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com In a message dated 2/9/03 11:38:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, ripsteel@edge.net writes: << I'm staring at the little triangular heat box kit from Vans and am wondering if anyone else is concerned that this thing (including the "flap") are made of aluminum instead of stainless? After paying close attention to making sure my firewall is well sealed and an effective fire barrier, this thing just looks a little vulnerable. >> I had the same concern so I chose to order a similar box from Robins (the heat muff guy in the Yeller Pages) that has a stainless steel mounting plate and flapper. It's very well made and has a thin rubber gasket to help it seal in the summer. On mine I switched the lever on the flapper so that works from inside the cabin and eliminates one cable through the firewall. Harry Crosby Pleasanton, California RV-6, starting firewall forward ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:09 AM PST US From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com Congratulations Scott .... welcome to the "flying" club !!!! Len Leggette RV-8A N901LL Greensboro, N.C. 54 hours !! ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:24 AM PST US From: "Meier, George" Subject: RE: RV-List: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: "Meier, George" Congratulations. --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" I have been looking forward to this day for 5 years, 1 month, 3 weeks, and 2 days. RV-4 N311SV finally took to the skies on Sunday, February 9th at 1530 PST! ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:54 AM PST US From: HCRV6@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com Congratulations Scott. Be sure to let us know when you determine the cause of the heavy wing. Harry Crosby Pleasanton, California RV-6, starting firewall forward ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:20 AM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: RV-List: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Congratulations Scott. Jim in Kelowna Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: First Flight > --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com > > Congratulations Scott. Be sure to let us know when you determine the cause > of the heavy wing. > > Harry Crosby > Pleasanton, California > RV-6, starting firewall forward > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:46 PM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RV-List: I really need an engine:-) --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Since my oldest son is now at college and my youngest just got his driver's license and discovered girls.............I put my largest boat on e-bay this afternoon. I'll use the proceeds to buy that XP-360 for the RV. If anybody wants a good one, this is in great shape. The reserve is right at wholesale and less that the 27-29K they are going for. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2403367386&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:MT:1 If this link doesn't work for you for whatever reason do a search for 2000 Maxum 2300SC Dana Overall Richmond, KY http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: "Meier, George" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: "'rv-list@matronics.com'" >Subject: RE: RV-List: First Flight >Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:39:41 -0500 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Meier, George" > >Congratulations. > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" > > > >I have been looking forward to this day for 5 years, 1 month, 3 weeks, >and >2 days. RV-4 N311SV finally took to the skies on Sunday, February 9th at >1530 PST! > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:48 PM PST US From: Ross Schlotthauer Subject: Re: RV-List: I really need an engine:-) --> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer Dana, Why not just pull the 350 Chev out of your boat and throw it up on front of your 7? Marine engines are rated for continuous duty right! If 180 H.P. is enough you could just run that Chev at 2700 RPM and forget the reduction. Then you could sell the hull minus the motor and buy your avionics. Ross Schlotthauer RV7 Fuse Just Stirrin The Pot! --- Dana Overall wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > > > Since my oldest son is now at college and my > youngest just got his driver's > license and discovered girls.............I put my > largest boat on e-bay this > afternoon. I'll use the proceeds to buy that XP-360 > for the RV. > > If anybody wants a good one, this is in great shape. > The reserve is right > at wholesale and less that the 27-29K they are going > for. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2403367386&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:MT:1 > > If this link doesn't work for you for whatever > reason do a search for 2000 > Maxum 2300SC > > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > > >From: "Meier, George" > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > >To: "'rv-list@matronics.com'" > > >Subject: RE: RV-List: First Flight > >Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:39:41 -0500 > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Meier, George" > > > > >Congratulations. > > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, > Scott" > > > > > > > >I have been looking forward to this day for 5 > years, 1 month, 3 weeks, > >and > >2 days. RV-4 N311SV finally took to the skies on > Sunday, February 9th at > >1530 PST! > > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:17 PM PST US From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: Re: RV-List: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" GOOD JOB Scott!!! God Bless you & your air machine. Look forward to seeing you (& her) when you've got the bugs worked out. Chuck do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" Subject: RV-List: First Flight > --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" > > > I have been looking forward to this day for 5 years, 1 month, 3 weeks, and > 2 days. RV-4 N311SV finally took to the skies on Sunday, February 9th at > 1530 PST! > > Here's the pertinent info for those of you who don't like stories: > > Take off run: I don't know, pretty short. I'd estimate about 500' > > Climb Rate: I don't know. Brisk. > > Control Response: VERY heavy right wing. Estimate about 10 lbs of force to > hold against the right rolling tendancy. Probably from readjusting my right > flap per my mechanic's instructions. I'm going to put it back where I > thought it should be. > > Indicated Airspeed at 3500 MSL: 140kts. I'll take my GPS up with me next > time and do the 4 direction runs to get a better idea. > > Feeling: Indescribable. > > For those who *do* like stories..... > > It started out like any other Sunday: get up go to church, tell people, "No, > I haven't flown it yet. I don't know when I'll fly it. Soon." To answer > all the questions. I told my pastor that the plane was ready to fly and > that I would appreciate a prayer or two beforehand. So he came out to O27 > at about 1430. He had restored a motorcycle and was very much impressed > that I built an airplane. We spent some time ooh-ing and ah-ing over it and > two other RVs that were being worked on by EAA Chapter 90. My wife and > kids showed up just in time for the prayer. I told them that I was just > going to top off the tanks and would probably fly it this Friday when there > wasn't a crowd around. I was feeling very nervous at this point. Sure I > had been looking forward to this moment for 5 years but now that it was > finally here ... well ... to quote a friend who recently flew his RV-8, "I > felt like a dead man walking out to the gallows." > > I filled up the tanks and then confided in my wife that I was going to go. > I hopped in, taxied out, and performed my runup. Everything still looked > good. Damn! I was going to have to fly it. I called on the radio: > "Attention Oakdale area traffic. N311SV departing runway two eight, first > flight." Another RV-builder and friend made a mad dash to his car to grab > his digital camera. And then sprinted halfway down the runway to get some > pics. > > I slowly advanced the throttle to full power. Acceleration felt good. I > felt the tail come up. Still good. A little rudder work to keep her on the > centerline. Ease back on the stick and - SHE'S FLYING! SHE'S FLYING TO > THE RIGHT!! OH MAN! SHE'S REALLY PULLING TO THE RIGHT HARD!!! But landing > on the 3000 foot runway wasn't an option as I was already about 500' up. I > still cannot believe how fast these things climb! All other control inputs > felt normal and response was normal. I elected to continue the flight. I > looked at the instruments once to see what my airspeed was and saw that I > was at 1500 feet. I looked at the ground and it appeared I was much higher > than that so I checked my altimeter again, now I was at 2100 feet! These > things really climb! > > I leveled off at 3500 feet and tried to recall Van's words, "The airplane is > flying. No just sit back and try to relax." > > After about 10 minutes I slowed to 85 mph and tried a few turns. By the > way, if you're not used to flying slippery planes, these things do not slow > down like your garden variety Cessna. I know, I know, the guys that have > been flying RV's for a while will say they slow down just fine and I will > probably find that to be true. But for a low-time RV pilot like me it just > wanted to keep going and going! This is where I experienced the only other > major squawk with the plane. At around 1600 RPM I started to notice an > oscillation in the front of the plane. Like an out of balance tire feels. > If I reduced RPMs the oscillation went away, if I increased it went away. > It seemed to occur right in the 1400 - 1600 RPM range. I'm turning a Catto > prop. My gut feeling is that it's the spinner. I'm going to readjust it. > > I throttled back and bit and pointed her downhill and towards the airport. > I gave myself plenty of room on the 45 and downwind to slow down even > further. It's amazing how much you have to throttle back on the down wind > to get slowed down. I felt like I was almost chopping the power. It's just > after the speed and acceleration I just experienced it seemed really slow! > Anyway, I came in a little fast and floated quite a bit. I touched down > about mid-field and made a beautiful greaser! Heavy stick and all! I then > taxied down to the Chapter 90 hangar and enjoyed the camaraderie of a bunch > of great guys! I never felt so good as when I shut that engine down right > in front of the EAA hangar. It was an amazing feeling! > > We unfortunately didn't capture the RV grin but I will post a few pictures > on the Photo share. > > I have been waiting 5 years to say this: > > KEEP POUNDING THOSE RIVITS! YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE THIS AIRPLANE!!! > > > -- > Scott VanArtsdalen > Network Manager > Union Safe Deposit Bank > 209-946-5116 > > > > > > > > > > name"PersonName"/> > > > > > > > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>I have been looking forward to this day for 5 years classGramE>, 1 month, style'mso-spacerun:yes'> 3 weeks, and 2 days. style'mso-spacerun:yes'>RV-4 N311SV finally took to the skies on > Sunday, February 9th at 1530 PST! > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>Here's the pertinent info for those of you who don't > like stories: > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>Take off run: I > don't know, pretty short. I'd > estimate about 500' > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>Climb Rate: I don't know. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Brisk. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>Control Response: > VERY heavy right wing. Estimate about 10 lbs of force to hold against > the right rolling tendancy. Probably > from readjusting my right flap per my mechanic's instructions. style'mso-spacerun:yes'>I'm going to put it back where I > thought it should be. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > style'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Indicated Airspeed at 3500 MSL: > 140kts. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> I'll > take my GPS up with me next time and do the 4 direction runs to get a better > idea. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>Feeling: Indescribable. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>For those who *do* > like stories..... > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>It started out like any other Sunday: get up go to classGramE>church, tell people, "No, I haven't flown it > yet. I don't know when I'll > fly it. Soon." style'mso-spacerun:yes'> To answer all the > questions. I told my pastor > that the plane was ready to fly and that I would appreciate a prayer or two > beforehand. So he came out to O27 > at about 1430. He had > restored a motorcycle and was very much impressed that I built an airplane. style'mso-spacerun:yes'>We spent some time ooh- classSpellE>ing and ah-ing over it and two > other RVs that were being worked on by EAA Chapter 90. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> style'mso-spacerun:yes'>My wife and kids showed up just in time > for the prayer. I told them that I > was just going to top off the tanks and would probably fly it this Friday when > there wasn't a crowd around. > I was feeling very nervous at this point. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Sure I had been looking forward to this > moment for 5 years but now that it was finally here ... well ... to > quote a friend who recently flew his RV-8, "I felt like a dead man > walking out to the gallows." > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>I filled up the tanks and then confided in my wife that I > was going to go. I hopped in, > taxied out, and performed my runup. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Everything still looked good. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Damn! style'mso-spacerun:yes'>I was going to have to fly it. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> I called on the radio: "Attention > Oakdale area traffic. N311SV departing > runway two eight, first flight." > Another RV-builder and friend made a mad dash to his car to grab his > digital camera. And > then sprinted halfway down the runway to get some pics. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>I slowly advanced the throttle to full power. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Acceleration felt good. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> I felt the tail come up. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Still good. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> A little rudder work to keep her on the > centerline. Ease back on the stick > and - SHE'S FLYING! > SHE'S FLYING TO THE RIGHT!! > OH MAN! SHE'S REALLY > PULLING TO THE RIGHT HARD!!! But > landing on the 3000 foot runway wasn't an option as I was already about > 500' up. I still cannot > believe how fast these things climb! > All other control inputs felt normal and response was normal. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> I elected to continue the flight. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> I looked at the instruments once to see > what my airspeed was and saw that I was at 1500 feet. style'mso-spacerun:yes'>I looked at the ground and it appeared I > was much higher than that so I checked my altimeter again, now I was at 2100 > feet! These things really climb! > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>I leveled off at 3500 feet and tried to recall Van's > words, "The airplane is flying. style'mso-spacerun:yes'>No just sit back and try to relax." > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>After about 10 minutes I slowed to 85 mph and tried a few > turns. By the way, if you're > not used to flying slippery planes, these things do not slow down like your > garden variety Cessna. I know, I > know, the guys that have been flying RV's for a while will say they slow > down just fine and I will probably find that to be true. style'mso-spacerun:yes'>But for a low-time RV pilot like me it > just wanted to keep going and going! style'mso-spacerun:yes'>This is where I experienced the > only other major squawk with the plane. style'mso-spacerun:yes'>At around 1600 RPM I started to notice an > oscillation in the front of the plane. > Like an out of balance tire feels. > If I reduced RPMs the oscillation went away, > if I increased it went away. It > seemed to occur right in the 1400 - 1600 RPM range. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> I'm turning a Catto > prop. My gut feeling is that > it's the spinner. I'm > going to readjust it. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>I throttled back and bit and pointed her downhill and > towards the airport. I gave myself > plenty of room on the 45 and downwind to slow down even further. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> It's amazing how much you have to throttle > back on the down wind to get slowed down. > I felt like I was almost chopping the power. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> It's just after the speed and > acceleration I just experienced it seemed really slow! style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Anyway, I came in a little fast and > floated quite a bit. I touched down > about mid-field and made a beautiful greaser! style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Heavy stick and all! style'mso-spacerun:yes'> I then taxied down to the Chapter 90 > hangar and enjoyed the camaraderie of a bunch of great guys! style'mso-spacerun:yes'> I never felt so > good as when I shut that engine down right in front of the EAA hangar. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> It was an amazing feeling! > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>We unfortunately didn't capture the RV grin but I will > post a few pictures on the Photo share. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>I have been waiting 5 years to say this: > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>KEEP POUNDING THOSE RIVITS! style'mso-spacerun:yes'> YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE THIS > AIRPLANE!!! > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial;mso-no-proof:yes'>-- yes'> > > > faceArial> mso-no-proof:yes'>Scott VanArtsdalen style'mso-no-proof:yes'> > > > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:gray;mso-no-proof:yes'>Network Manager style'mso-no-proof:yes'> > > > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:gray;mso-no-proof:yes'>Union Safe Deposit Bank style'mso-no-proof:yes'> > > > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:gray;mso-no-proof:yes'>209-946-5116 > > 12.0pt'> > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:33 PM PST US From: Oldsfolks@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re; First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com Congratulations Scott. Many more happy flights. Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:28:31 PM PST US From: "Elsa & Henry" Subject: Re: RV-List: re: rubber guards on mushroom sets --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" Same as Gary, I used my swivel set un-modified and it worked fine. I coached my "Rosie the Riveter" wife to sing-out "One-thousand, Two-thousand, Stop" while pulling the gun's trigger full-on as a timing method for setting the flush AN 426 3-3.5 and 3-4 rivets which were the majority. When I started building in 1995, I was given a beautiful gun made in Sweden, from a chap that was using it during WW II. The only trouble was that it had a 10mm bore so I had to hone it out to accept the now standard .401" sets. It is probably a 2X equivalent. With the swivel set purchased from Avery, it did a nice job. Cheers!!------Henry ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:35:20 PM PST US From: "Mike D." Subject: Re: RV-List: Blind Rivet Question 7A HS Stab --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike D." Karie I just did this yesterday. I used LP4-3 rivets found in bag 624. The note is on DWG-3 (mine is dated 1/7/02) in the "Exploded ISO View" near the left HS-707 Nose rib. It reads "LP4-3 all HS-707 to HS-702 to HS-708 Blind Rivets". Hope this helps. Mike Divan RV-7A (Building Empennage) ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:04 PM PST US From: Oldsfolks@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re; First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com Congratulations Scott. Many more happy flights. Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:35 PM PST US From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Panther Electronics vs. Quiet Technologies Headsets --> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com List: In looking through the archives I saw some discussion on these two headsets taking place back in the summer. I am looking for something like this for my wife (GIB) ... haven't seen either of them in person. Does anyone on the list have more experience now with either of these two headsets? And if so, would give me an update and reccomendation Thanks !! Len Leggette RV-8A N901LL Greensboro, N.C. 54 hours !! ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:37 PM PST US From: "Elsa & Henry" Subject: Re: RV-List: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" Way to go Scott!! Welcome to the RV Airforce! Too bad about the heavy wing.--I did not follow the advice in the building manual which said to use the wing airfoil template to set the neutral positions-Nix! I didn't like the fit of it despite cutting it out very carefully from the cover of the wing crate. The fiberglass wing-tips looked pretty good to me, as they followed the skin curvature perfectly, so I first set the outboard end of one of the ailerons to line-up with wing-tip in the neutral position, clamped it there and then set the other aileron the same way. I then set the flap linkages to align their outboard ends with the aileron inboard ends. Thus a straight trailing-edge line right through in the neutral position. When my test pilot did the first flight, he radio'd that "I have sweet airplane here" and after 15 minutes, landed and took me up. When at cruising altitude, he showed me hands-off flight at 180 MPH and the same at 65 MPH. I guess using the wing- tips to set the neutral positions worked out OK. I can't detect any roll-moment when lowering the flaps. Cheers!! ---Henry Hore--RV6-A C-GELS, Cornwall, Ontario ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:40 PM PST US From: "John Starn" Subject: Re: RV-List: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" Congrats Scott, APV is still a great place for lunch. KABONG Do Not Archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" Subject: RV-List: First Flight > --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" > > > I have been looking forward to this day for 5 years, 1 month, 3 weeks, and > 2 days. RV-4 N311SV finally took to the skies on Sunday, February 9th at > 1530 PST! > > Here's the pertinent info for those of you who don't like stories: > > Take off run: I don't know, pretty short. I'd estimate about 500' > > Climb Rate: I don't know. Brisk. > > Control Response: VERY heavy right wing. Estimate about 10 lbs of force to > hold against the right rolling tendancy. Probably from readjusting my right > flap per my mechanic's instructions. I'm going to put it back where I > thought it should be. > > Indicated Airspeed at 3500 MSL: 140kts. I'll take my GPS up with me next > time and do the 4 direction runs to get a better idea. > > Feeling: Indescribable. > > For those who *do* like stories..... > > It started out like any other Sunday: get up go to church, tell people, "No, > I haven't flown it yet. I don't know when I'll fly it. Soon." To answer > all the questions. I told my pastor that the plane was ready to fly and > that I would appreciate a prayer or two beforehand. So he came out to O27 > at about 1430. He had restored a motorcycle and was very much impressed > that I built an airplane. We spent some time ooh-ing and ah-ing over it and > two other RVs that were being worked on by EAA Chapter 90. My wife and > kids showed up just in time for the prayer. I told them that I was just > going to top off the tanks and would probably fly it this Friday when there > wasn't a crowd around. I was feeling very nervous at this point. Sure I > had been looking forward to this moment for 5 years but now that it was > finally here ... well ... to quote a friend who recently flew his RV-8, "I > felt like a dead man walking out to the gallows." > > I filled up the tanks and then confided in my wife that I was going to go. > I hopped in, taxied out, and performed my runup. Everything still looked > good. Damn! I was going to have to fly it. I called on the radio: > "Attention Oakdale area traffic. N311SV departing runway two eight, first > flight." Another RV-builder and friend made a mad dash to his car to grab > his digital camera. And then sprinted halfway down the runway to get some > pics. > > I slowly advanced the throttle to full power. Acceleration felt good. I > felt the tail come up. Still good. A little rudder work to keep her on the > centerline. Ease back on the stick and - SHE'S FLYING! SHE'S FLYING TO > THE RIGHT!! OH MAN! SHE'S REALLY PULLING TO THE RIGHT HARD!!! But landing > on the 3000 foot runway wasn't an option as I was already about 500' up. I > still cannot believe how fast these things climb! All other control inputs > felt normal and response was normal. I elected to continue the flight. I > looked at the instruments once to see what my airspeed was and saw that I > was at 1500 feet. I looked at the ground and it appeared I was much higher > than that so I checked my altimeter again, now I was at 2100 feet! These > things really climb! > > I leveled off at 3500 feet and tried to recall Van's words, "The airplane is > flying. No just sit back and try to relax." > > After about 10 minutes I slowed to 85 mph and tried a few turns. By the > way, if you're not used to flying slippery planes, these things do not slow > down like your garden variety Cessna. I know, I know, the guys that have > been flying RV's for a while will say they slow down just fine and I will > probably find that to be true. But for a low-time RV pilot like me it just > wanted to keep going and going! This is where I experienced the only other > major squawk with the plane. At around 1600 RPM I started to notice an > oscillation in the front of the plane. Like an out of balance tire feels. > If I reduced RPMs the oscillation went away, if I increased it went away. > It seemed to occur right in the 1400 - 1600 RPM range. I'm turning a Catto > prop. My gut feeling is that it's the spinner. I'm going to readjust it. > > I throttled back and bit and pointed her downhill and towards the airport. > I gave myself plenty of room on the 45 and downwind to slow down even > further. It's amazing how much you have to throttle back on the down wind > to get slowed down. I felt like I was almost chopping the power. It's just > after the speed and acceleration I just experienced it seemed really slow! > Anyway, I came in a little fast and floated quite a bit. I touched down > about mid-field and made a beautiful greaser! Heavy stick and all! I then > taxied down to the Chapter 90 hangar and enjoyed the camaraderie of a bunch > of great guys! I never felt so good as when I shut that engine down right > in front of the EAA hangar. It was an amazing feeling! > > We unfortunately didn't capture the RV grin but I will post a few pictures > on the Photo share. > > I have been waiting 5 years to say this: > > KEEP POUNDING THOSE RIVITS! YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE THIS AIRPLANE!!! > > > -- > Scott VanArtsdalen > Network Manager > Union Safe Deposit Bank > 209-946-5116 > > > > > > > > > > name"PersonName"/> > > > > > > > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>I have been looking forward to this day for 5 years classGramE>, 1 month, style'mso-spacerun:yes'> 3 weeks, and 2 days. style'mso-spacerun:yes'>RV-4 N311SV finally took to the skies on > Sunday, February 9th at 1530 PST! > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>Here's the pertinent info for those of you who don't > like stories: > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>Take off run: I > don't know, pretty short. I'd > estimate about 500' > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>Climb Rate: I don't know. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Brisk. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>Control Response: > VERY heavy right wing. Estimate about 10 lbs of force to hold against > the right rolling tendancy. Probably > from readjusting my right flap per my mechanic's instructions. style'mso-spacerun:yes'>I'm going to put it back where I > thought it should be. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > style'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Indicated Airspeed at 3500 MSL: > 140kts. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> I'll > take my GPS up with me next time and do the 4 direction runs to get a better > idea. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>Feeling: Indescribable. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>For those who *do* > like stories..... > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>It started out like any other Sunday: get up go to classGramE>church, tell people, "No, I haven't flown it > yet. I don't know when I'll > fly it. Soon." style'mso-spacerun:yes'> To answer all the > questions. I told my pastor > that the plane was ready to fly and that I would appreciate a prayer or two > beforehand. So he came out to O27 > at about 1430. He had > restored a motorcycle and was very much impressed that I built an airplane. style'mso-spacerun:yes'>We spent some time ooh- classSpellE>ing and ah-ing over it and two > other RVs that were being worked on by EAA Chapter 90. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> style'mso-spacerun:yes'>My wife and kids showed up just in time > for the prayer. I told them that I > was just going to top off the tanks and would probably fly it this Friday when > there wasn't a crowd around. > I was feeling very nervous at this point. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Sure I had been looking forward to this > moment for 5 years but now that it was finally here ... well ... to > quote a friend who recently flew his RV-8, "I felt like a dead man > walking out to the gallows." > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>I filled up the tanks and then confided in my wife that I > was going to go. I hopped in, > taxied out, and performed my runup. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Everything still looked good. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Damn! style'mso-spacerun:yes'>I was going to have to fly it. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> I called on the radio: "Attention > Oakdale area traffic. N311SV departing > runway two eight, first flight." > Another RV-builder and friend made a mad dash to his car to grab his > digital camera. And > then sprinted halfway down the runway to get some pics. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>I slowly advanced the throttle to full power. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Acceleration felt good. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> I felt the tail come up. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Still good. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> A little rudder work to keep her on the > centerline. Ease back on the stick > and - SHE'S FLYING! > SHE'S FLYING TO THE RIGHT!! > OH MAN! SHE'S REALLY > PULLING TO THE RIGHT HARD!!! But > landing on the 3000 foot runway wasn't an option as I was already about > 500' up. I still cannot > believe how fast these things climb! > All other control inputs felt normal and response was normal. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> I elected to continue the flight. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> I looked at the instruments once to see > what my airspeed was and saw that I was at 1500 feet. style'mso-spacerun:yes'>I looked at the ground and it appeared I > was much higher than that so I checked my altimeter again, now I was at 2100 > feet! These things really climb! > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>I leveled off at 3500 feet and tried to recall Van's > words, "The airplane is flying. style'mso-spacerun:yes'>No just sit back and try to relax." > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>After about 10 minutes I slowed to 85 mph and tried a few > turns. By the way, if you're > not used to flying slippery planes, these things do not slow down like your > garden variety Cessna. I know, I > know, the guys that have been flying RV's for a while will say they slow > down just fine and I will probably find that to be true. style'mso-spacerun:yes'>But for a low-time RV pilot like me it > just wanted to keep going and going! style'mso-spacerun:yes'>This is where I experienced the > only other major squawk with the plane. style'mso-spacerun:yes'>At around 1600 RPM I started to notice an > oscillation in the front of the plane. > Like an out of balance tire feels. > If I reduced RPMs the oscillation went away, > if I increased it went away. It > seemed to occur right in the 1400 - 1600 RPM range. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> I'm turning a Catto > prop. My gut feeling is that > it's the spinner. I'm > going to readjust it. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>I throttled back and bit and pointed her downhill and > towards the airport. I gave myself > plenty of room on the 45 and downwind to slow down even further. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> It's amazing how much you have to throttle > back on the down wind to get slowed down. > I felt like I was almost chopping the power. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> It's just after the speed and > acceleration I just experienced it seemed really slow! style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Anyway, I came in a little fast and > floated quite a bit. I touched down > about mid-field and made a beautiful greaser! style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Heavy stick and all! style'mso-spacerun:yes'> I then taxied down to the Chapter 90 > hangar and enjoyed the camaraderie of a bunch of great guys! style'mso-spacerun:yes'> I never felt so > good as when I shut that engine down right in front of the EAA hangar. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> It was an amazing feeling! > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>We unfortunately didn't capture the RV grin but I will > post a few pictures on the Photo share. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>I have been waiting 5 years to say this: > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>KEEP POUNDING THOSE RIVITS! style'mso-spacerun:yes'> YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE THIS > AIRPLANE!!! > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial;mso-no-proof:yes'>-- yes'> > > > faceArial> mso-no-proof:yes'>Scott VanArtsdalen style'mso-no-proof:yes'> > > > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:gray;mso-no-proof:yes'>Network Manager style'mso-no-proof:yes'> > > > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:gray;mso-no-proof:yes'>Union Safe Deposit Bank style'mso-no-proof:yes'> > > > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:gray;mso-no-proof:yes'>209-946-5116 > > 12.0pt'> > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:39 PM PST US From: "John H. Wiegenstein" Subject: RV-List: Lycoming Flywheel Orientation --> RV-List message posted by: "John H. Wiegenstein" Hi listers - I've been on and off list periodically over the last several years, and now my RV-6 is close to completion, or at least close enough for an engine. My new O-360-A1A from Van's arrived last week and is now proudly hanging on the front of the airplane. Talk about getting the juices flowing to finish the project and get in the air! My question is this: the flywheel/starter ring gear has various timing marks that suggest it needs to be oriented to the crank in a certain position. However, there are no obvious marks to show what position this is. The flywheel has a hole drilled in it (and another halfway drilled) near the outer edge, and these look to me like balancing holes, but I cannot tell if that is to balance ONLY the flywheel or to balance the flywheel/crank/etc. assembly as a whole. I have not moved the flywheel position but want to know if this is something to keep an eye out for. Any comments/suggestions would be much appreciated. TIA. John H. Wiegenstein HELLER WIEGENSTEIN PLLC 19301 - 8th Avenue NE, Suite A Poulsbo, WA 98370 (360) 394-3500 (360) 394-3503 FAX johnw@hellerwiegenstein.com ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:57 PM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: Re: RV-List: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" Scott, CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!! Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A >From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: "'rv-list@matronics.com'" >Subject: RV-List: First Flight >Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:13:12 -0800 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" > > > >I have been looking forward to this day for 5 years, 1 month, 3 weeks, >and >2 days. RV-4 N311SV finally took to the skies on Sunday, February 9th at >1530 PST! > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:40 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Lycoming Flywheel Orientation --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" One of the lugs on the crank is a different size than the others. There is a matching hole on the flywheel. The only way your flywheel will fit is by matching the odd sized lug with the odd sized hole. KB ----- Original Message ----- From: "John H. Wiegenstein" Subject: RV-List: Lycoming Flywheel Orientation > --> RV-List message posted by: "John H. Wiegenstein" > > Hi listers - I've been on and off list periodically over the last several > years, and now my RV-6 is close to completion, or at least close enough for > an engine. My new O-360-A1A from Van's arrived last week and is now proudly > hanging on the front of the airplane. Talk about getting the juices flowing > to finish the project and get in the air! My question is this: the > flywheel/starter ring gear has various timing marks that suggest it needs to > be oriented to the crank in a certain position. However, there are no > obvious marks to show what position this is. The flywheel has a hole > drilled in it (and another halfway drilled) near the outer edge, and these > look to me like balancing holes, but I cannot tell if that is to balance > ONLY the flywheel or to balance the flywheel/crank/etc. assembly as a whole. > I have not moved the flywheel position but want to know if this is something > to keep an eye out for. Any comments/suggestions would be much appreciated. > TIA. > > John H. Wiegenstein > HELLER WIEGENSTEIN PLLC > 19301 - 8th Avenue NE, Suite A > Poulsbo, WA 98370 > (360) 394-3500 > (360) 394-3503 FAX > johnw@hellerwiegenstein.com > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:12 PM PST US From: Gary Liming Subject: Re: RV-List: Panther Electronics vs. Quiet Technologies Headsets --> RV-List message posted by: Gary Liming At 04:42 PM 2/10/2003 -0500, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com > >List: > >In looking through the archives I saw some discussion on these two headsets >taking place back in the summer. I am looking for something like this for my >wife (GIB) ... haven't seen either of them in person. > >Does anyone on the list have more experience now with either of these two >headsets? And if so, would give me an update and reccomendation Get a hold of the latest issue of Aviation Consumer - they just did a review of these "ear plug" type headsets, complete with wife testing. Gary Liming ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:45 PM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: RV-List: Panther Electronics vs. Quiet Technologies Headsets --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Hi Gary. If you have read the article you mention, could you brief us as to it's findings pro and con? Jim in Kelowna do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Liming" Subject: Re: RV-List: Panther Electronics vs. Quiet Technologies Headsets > --> RV-List message posted by: Gary Liming > > At 04:42 PM 2/10/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com > > > >List: > > > >In looking through the archives I saw some discussion on these two headsets > >taking place back in the summer. I am looking for something like this for my > >wife (GIB) ... haven't seen either of them in person. > > > >Does anyone on the list have more experience now with either of these two > >headsets? And if so, would give me an update and reccomendation > > Get a hold of the latest issue of Aviation Consumer - they just did a > review of these "ear plug" type headsets, complete with wife testing. > > Gary Liming > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:54 PM PST US From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Panther Electronics vs. Quiet Technologies Headsets --> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com Thanks Gary !! I will find the magazine. Len Leggette, RV-8A Greensboro, NC N910LL 54 hours Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:07 PM PST US From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Panther Electronics vs. Quiet Technologies Headsets --> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com Just purchased the Aviation Consumer article on their website. They liked the Quiet Tech product much better. Thanks again Gary for the heads up on Aviatioon Consumer. Len Leggette, RV-8A Greensboro, NC N910LL 54 hours ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:56 PM PST US From: "Al Grajek" "RV8ListVANS" , "RV List" , "VansAirForce" Subject: RV-List: Anywhere Map GPS for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Al Grajek" I have a Anywhere Map GPS with CopmaQ ipaq pocket pc and all accessories for sale. Used only once. Includes 1 year of updates, PC docking station and all software. All for $650.00. Compare to $1200.00 New. Contact me at 859-361-9460. AL Grajek ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:05 PM PST US From: "Konrad Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Lycoming Flywheel Orientation --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" Dear Kyle, Do you also have an idea about the balancing part of the question? Is it just the flywheel being balanced (and can therefore be put on any other engine!), or is it the flywheel & crank combo, which get's balanced during assembly at the Factory. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Konrad Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Lycoming Flywheel Orientation > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > > One of the lugs on the crank is a different size than the others. There is > a matching hole on the flywheel. The only way your flywheel will fit is by > matching the odd sized lug with the odd sized hole. > KB My question is this: the > > flywheel/starter ring gear has various timing marks that suggest it needs > to > > be oriented to the crank in a certain position. However, there are no > > obvious marks to show what position this is. The flywheel has a hole > > drilled in it (and another halfway drilled) near the outer edge, and these > > look to me like balancing holes, but I cannot tell if that is to balance > > ONLY the flywheel or to balance the flywheel/crank/etc. assembly as a > whole. > > I have not moved the flywheel position but want to know if this is > something > > to keep an eye out for. Any comments/suggestions would be much > appreciated. > > TIA. > > > > John H. Wiegenstein > > HELLER WIEGENSTEIN PLLC > > 19301 - 8th Avenue NE, Suite A > > Poulsbo, WA 98370 > > (360) 394-3500 > > (360) 394-3503 FAX > > johnw@hellerwiegenstein.com > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:11 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Lycoming Flywheel Orientation --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" I bet the parts are interchangable between engines, but I don't know. Quick, someone call an expert! KB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Konrad Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Lycoming Flywheel Orientation > --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" > > Dear Kyle, > Do you also have an idea about the balancing part of the question? Is it > just the flywheel being balanced (and can therefore be put on any other > engine!), or is it the flywheel & crank combo, which get's balanced during > assembly at the Factory. Any input would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Konrad > > Do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kyle Boatright" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Lycoming Flywheel Orientation > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > > > > > One of the lugs on the crank is a different size than the others. There > is > > a matching hole on the flywheel. The only way your flywheel will fit is > by > > matching the odd sized lug with the odd sized hole. > > KB > > My question is this: the > > > flywheel/starter ring gear has various timing marks that suggest it > needs > > to > > > be oriented to the crank in a certain position. However, there are no > > > obvious marks to show what position this is. The flywheel has a hole > > > drilled in it (and another halfway drilled) near the outer edge, and > these > > > look to me like balancing holes, but I cannot tell if that is to balance > > > ONLY the flywheel or to balance the flywheel/crank/etc. assembly as a > > whole. > > > I have not moved the flywheel position but want to know if this is > > something > > > to keep an eye out for. Any comments/suggestions would be much > > appreciated. > > > TIA. > > > > > > John H. Wiegenstein > > > HELLER WIEGENSTEIN PLLC > > > 19301 - 8th Avenue NE, Suite A > > > Poulsbo, WA 98370 > > > (360) 394-3500 > > > (360) 394-3503 FAX > > > johnw@hellerwiegenstein.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:22 PM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: Re: RV-List: Lycoming Flywheel Orientation --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > >--> RV-List message posted by: "John H. Wiegenstein" > > >Hi listers - I've been on and off list periodically over the last several >years, and now my RV-6 is close to completion, or at least close enough for >an engine. My new O-360-A1A from Van's arrived last week and is now >proudly >hanging on the front of the airplane. Talk about getting the juices >flowing >to finish the project and get in the air! My question is this: the >flywheel/starter ring gear has various timing marks that suggest it needs >to >be oriented to the crank in a certain position. However, there are no >obvious marks to show what position this is. The flywheel has a hole >drilled in it (and another halfway drilled) near the outer edge, and these >look to me like balancing holes, but I cannot tell if that is to balance >ONLY the flywheel or to balance the flywheel/crank/etc. assembly as a >whole. >I have not moved the flywheel position but want to know if this is >something >to keep an eye out for. Any comments/suggestions would be much >appreciated. >TIA. > >John H. Wiegenstein >HELLER WIEGENSTEIN PLLC John, There should be a very slightly different prop bolt bushing on the crank flange. It has a larger diameter near the base of the bushing at the flange face. This will only allow the proper hole on the flywheel to seat over it. Get out a set of inside calipers and measure the holes on the flywheel. You'll see one is larger in diameter. Or, just keep trying to fit it onto the crank flange until it seats. You get six tries! :) I also puzzled on this several years ago. Don't sweat it. You'll get it mounted. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:15 PM PST US From: David Aronson Subject: RE: RV-List: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: David Aronson Scott: Great going. I am just about there. A lot of little stuff but will be a Osh Gosh this year. See you there? Dave Aronson RV4 N504RV -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rowbotham Subject: Re: RV-List: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" Scott, CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!! Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A >From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: "'rv-list@matronics.com'" >Subject: RV-List: First Flight >Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:13:12 -0800 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" > > > >I have been looking forward to this day for 5 years, 1 month, 3 weeks, >and >2 days. RV-4 N311SV finally took to the skies on Sunday, February 9th at >1530 PST! > > --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. --- ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:15 PM PST US From: David Aronson Subject: RE: RV-List: Panther Electronics vs. Quiet Technologies Headsets --> RV-List message posted by: David Aronson I have the panther earsets. They are very comfortable and do a good job of noise reduction. I have an ongoing problem with my set, due to extreme noise. If the aircraft is very noisy, the squelch limiter must be set way up and triggers too easily. In a closed, sealed cockpit with moderate noise, say a higher end spam can, this would be a very nice piece of equipment for long trips. My RV4 and Citabria are too noisy for this unit. Other pilots read me load and clear and I hear them fine. It does take a bit of getting used to being that you only hear in one earpeace. The mic is in the other ear. Comfort is it's big benefit. No pressure on your head or ears, no weight, eyeglasses do not break the seal. Chewing gum does!!!!! My grades for the unit ***** is excellent Comfort ***** Audible to other traffic **** Noise comfort in noisy AC ** Noise comfort in quiet AC **** Cost vs benefit overall ** Squelch hold in windy AC * I hope this helps. Customer service is excellent at Panther. They re-made my earsets as they didn't think the seal was good and the mic was triggering prematurely due to noise entering the ear. It did improve some but the unit is just not made for open cockpits or Ultra noisy AC Dave Aronson RV4 N504RV Citabria N2683Z -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Liming Subject: Re: RV-List: Panther Electronics vs. Quiet Technologies Headsets --> RV-List message posted by: Gary Liming At 04:42 PM 2/10/2003 -0500, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com > >List: > >In looking through the archives I saw some discussion on these two headsets >taking place back in the summer. I am looking for something like this for my >wife (GIB) ... haven't seen either of them in person. > >Does anyone on the list have more experience now with either of these two >headsets? And if so, would give me an update and reccomendation Get a hold of the latest issue of Aviation Consumer - they just did a review of these "ear plug" type headsets, complete with wife testing. Gary Liming --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. --- ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:58 PM PST US From: Rv6238@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Comm and Transponder antenna routing/ RV6 --> RV-List message posted by: Rv6238@aol.com My com and transponder antennas are mounted on the belly aft of the spar. I need to get the antenna cables and the wing wiring up to the panel. The neatest installation seems to be to bundle the antennae cables together with the position light and strobe power supply wires together. Strobe power packs are mounted on outboard wing ribs. Power supply wires to the strobes are shielded. Is this a good plan, or is there noise potential with this plan? Thanks, Bill ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:30 PM PST US From: "John" Subject: Re: RV-List: 6A/8A Tow Bar... --> RV-List message posted by: "John" Subject: RE: RV-List: 6A Tow Bar... Carl, I received the pictures of the tow bar. That is pretty ingenious and looks simple to make. | am definitely going to make one and also pass the info along to fellow RV-6A and RV-8A owner and builder here at my home airport, (Twin Lakes Airpark S-17) here in SC. Thanks again, Jack Bombard RV-8A builder (working om wings) ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:49 PM PST US From: Mark Phillips Subject: Re: RV-List: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips Way to go Scott! Suggest measure length of wings for consistency? 8-) Mark - do not archive Van Artsdalen, Scott wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" > > > I have been looking forward to this day for 5 years, 1 month, 3 weeks, and > 2 days. RV-4 N311SV finally took to the skies on Sunday, February 9th at > 1530 PST! > > Here's the pertinent info for those of you who don't like stories: > > Take off run: I don't know, pretty short. I'd estimate about 500' > > Climb Rate: I don't know. Brisk. > > Control Response: VERY heavy right wing. Estimate about 10 lbs of force to > hold against the right rolling tendancy. Probably from readjusting my right > flap per my mechanic's instructions. I'm going to put it back where I > thought it should be. > > Indicated Airspeed at 3500 MSL: 140kts. I'll take my GPS up with me next > time and do the 4 direction runs to get a better idea. > > Feeling: Indescribable. > > For those who *do* like stories..... > > It started out like any other Sunday: get up go to church, tell people, "No, > I haven't flown it yet. I don't know when I'll fly it. Soon." To answer > all the questions. I told my pastor that the plane was ready to fly and > that I would appreciate a prayer or two beforehand. So he came out to O27 > at about 1430. He had restored a motorcycle and was very much impressed > that I built an airplane. We spent some time ooh-ing and ah-ing over it and > two other RVs that were being worked on by EAA Chapter 90. My wife and > kids showed up just in time for the prayer. I told them that I was just > going to top off the tanks and would probably fly it this Friday when there > wasn't a crowd around. I was feeling very nervous at this point. Sure I > had been looking forward to this moment for 5 years but now that it was > finally here ... well ... to quote a friend who recently flew his RV-8, "I > felt like a dead man walking out to the gallows." > > I filled up the tanks and then confided in my wife that I was going to go. > I hopped in, taxied out, and performed my runup. Everything still looked > good. Damn! I was going to have to fly it. I called on the radio: > "Attention Oakdale area traffic. N311SV departing runway two eight, first > flight." Another RV-builder and friend made a mad dash to his car to grab > his digital camera. And then sprinted halfway down the runway to get some > pics. > > I slowly advanced the throttle to full power. Acceleration felt good. I > felt the tail come up. Still good. A little rudder work to keep her on the > centerline. Ease back on the stick and - SHE'S FLYING! SHE'S FLYING TO > THE RIGHT!! OH MAN! SHE'S REALLY PULLING TO THE RIGHT HARD!!! But landing > on the 3000 foot runway wasn't an option as I was already about 500' up. I > still cannot believe how fast these things climb! All other control inputs > felt normal and response was normal. I elected to continue the flight. I > looked at the instruments once to see what my airspeed was and saw that I > was at 1500 feet. I looked at the ground and it appeared I was much higher > than that so I checked my altimeter again, now I was at 2100 feet! These > things really climb! > > I leveled off at 3500 feet and tried to recall Van's words, "The airplane is > flying. No just sit back and try to relax." > > After about 10 minutes I slowed to 85 mph and tried a few turns. By the > way, if you're not used to flying slippery planes, these things do not slow > down like your garden variety Cessna. I know, I know, the guys that have > been flying RV's for a while will say they slow down just fine and I will > probably find that to be true. But for a low-time RV pilot like me it just > wanted to keep going and going! This is where I experienced the only other > major squawk with the plane. At around 1600 RPM I started to notice an > oscillation in the front of the plane. Like an out of balance tire feels. > If I reduced RPMs the oscillation went away, if I increased it went away. > It seemed to occur right in the 1400 - 1600 RPM range. I'm turning a Catto > prop. My gut feeling is that it's the spinner. I'm going to readjust it. > > I throttled back and bit and pointed her downhill and towards the airport. > I gave myself plenty of room on the 45 and downwind to slow down even > further. It's amazing how much you have to throttle back on the down wind > to get slowed down. I felt like I was almost chopping the power. It's just > after the speed and acceleration I just experienced it seemed really slow! > Anyway, I came in a little fast and floated quite a bit. I touched down > about mid-field and made a beautiful greaser! Heavy stick and all! I then > taxied down to the Chapter 90 hangar and enjoyed the camaraderie of a bunch > of great guys! I never felt so good as when I shut that engine down right > in front of the EAA hangar. It was an amazing feeling! > > We unfortunately didn't capture the RV grin but I will post a few pictures > on the Photo share. > > I have been waiting 5 years to say this: > > KEEP POUNDING THOSE RIVITS! YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE THIS AIRPLANE!!! > > > -- > Scott VanArtsdalen > Network Manager > Union Safe Deposit Bank > 209-946-5116 > > > > > > > > > > name"PersonName"/> > > > > > > > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>I have been looking forward to this day for 5 years classGramE>, 1 month, style'mso-spacerun:yes'> 3 weeks, and 2 days. style'mso-spacerun:yes'>RV-4 N311SV finally took to the skies on > Sunday, February 9th at 1530 PST! > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>Here's the pertinent info for those of you who don't > like stories: > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>Take off run: I > don't know, pretty short. I'd > estimate about 500' > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>Climb Rate: I don't know. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Brisk. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>Control Response: > VERY heavy right wing. Estimate about 10 lbs of force to hold against > the right rolling tendancy. Probably > from readjusting my right flap per my mechanic's instructions. style'mso-spacerun:yes'>I'm going to put it back where I > thought it should be. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > style'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Indicated Airspeed at 3500 MSL: > 140kts. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> I'll > take my GPS up with me next time and do the 4 direction runs to get a better > idea. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>Feeling: Indescribable. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>For those who *do* > like stories..... > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>It started out like any other Sunday: get up go to classGramE>church, tell people, "No, I haven't flown it > yet. I don't know when I'll > fly it. Soon." style'mso-spacerun:yes'> To answer all the > questions. I told my pastor > that the plane was ready to fly and that I would appreciate a prayer or two > beforehand. So he came out to O27 > at about 1430. He had > restored a motorcycle and was very much impressed that I built an airplane. style'mso-spacerun:yes'>We spent some time ooh- classSpellE>ing and ah-ing over it and two > other RVs that were being worked on by EAA Chapter 90. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> style'mso-spacerun:yes'>My wife and kids showed up just in time > for the prayer. I told them that I > was just going to top off the tanks and would probably fly it this Friday when > there wasn't a crowd around. > I was feeling very nervous at this point. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Sure I had been looking forward to this > moment for 5 years but now that it was finally here ... well ... to > quote a friend who recently flew his RV-8, "I felt like a dead man > walking out to the gallows." > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>I filled up the tanks and then confided in my wife that I > was going to go. I hopped in, > taxied out, and performed my runup. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Everything still looked good. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Damn! style'mso-spacerun:yes'>I was going to have to fly it. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> I called on the radio: "Attention > Oakdale area traffic. N311SV departing > runway two eight, first flight." > Another RV-builder and friend made a mad dash to his car to grab his > digital camera. And > then sprinted halfway down the runway to get some pics. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>I slowly advanced the throttle to full power. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Acceleration felt good. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> I felt the tail come up. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Still good. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> A little rudder work to keep her on the > centerline. Ease back on the stick > and - SHE'S FLYING! > SHE'S FLYING TO THE RIGHT!! > OH MAN! SHE'S REALLY > PULLING TO THE RIGHT HARD!!! But > landing on the 3000 foot runway wasn't an option as I was already about > 500' up. I still cannot > believe how fast these things climb! > All other control inputs felt normal and response was normal. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> I elected to continue the flight. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> I looked at the instruments once to see > what my airspeed was and saw that I was at 1500 feet. style'mso-spacerun:yes'>I looked at the ground and it appeared I > was much higher than that so I checked my altimeter again, now I was at 2100 > feet! These things really climb! > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>I leveled off at 3500 feet and tried to recall Van's > words, "The airplane is flying. style'mso-spacerun:yes'>No just sit back and try to relax." > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>After about 10 minutes I slowed to 85 mph and tried a few > turns. By the way, if you're > not used to flying slippery planes, these things do not slow down like your > garden variety Cessna. I know, I > know, the guys that have been flying RV's for a while will say they slow > down just fine and I will probably find that to be true. style'mso-spacerun:yes'>But for a low-time RV pilot like me it > just wanted to keep going and going! style'mso-spacerun:yes'>This is where I experienced the > only other major squawk with the plane. style'mso-spacerun:yes'>At around 1600 RPM I started to notice an > oscillation in the front of the plane. > Like an out of balance tire feels. > If I reduced RPMs the oscillation went away, > if I increased it went away. It > seemed to occur right in the 1400 - 1600 RPM range. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> I'm turning a Catto > prop. My gut feeling is that > it's the spinner. I'm > going to readjust it. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>I throttled back and bit and pointed her downhill and > towards the airport. I gave myself > plenty of room on the 45 and downwind to slow down even further. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> It's amazing how much you have to throttle > back on the down wind to get slowed down. > I felt like I was almost chopping the power. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> It's just after the speed and > acceleration I just experienced it seemed really slow! style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Anyway, I came in a little fast and > floated quite a bit. I touched down > about mid-field and made a beautiful greaser! style'mso-spacerun:yes'> Heavy stick and all! style'mso-spacerun:yes'> I then taxied down to the Chapter 90 > hangar and enjoyed the camaraderie of a bunch of great guys! style'mso-spacerun:yes'> I never felt so > good as when I shut that engine down right in front of the EAA hangar. style'mso-spacerun:yes'> It was an amazing feeling! > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>We unfortunately didn't capture the RV grin but I will > post a few pictures on the Photo share. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>I have been waiting 5 years to say this: > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>KEEP POUNDING THOSE RIVITS! style'mso-spacerun:yes'> YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE THIS > AIRPLANE!!! > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial;mso-no-proof:yes'>-- yes'> > > > faceArial> mso-no-proof:yes'>Scott VanArtsdalen style'mso-no-proof:yes'> > > > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:gray;mso-no-proof:yes'>Network Manager style'mso-no-proof:yes'> > > > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:gray;mso-no-proof:yes'>Union Safe Deposit Bank style'mso-no-proof:yes'> > > > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:gray;mso-no-proof:yes'>209-946-5116 > > > 12.0pt'> > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:29 PM PST US From: "Ross Scroggs" Subject: Re: RV-List: Lycoming Flywheel Orientation --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Scroggs" The flywheel can be purchased individually from Lycoming. It is not matched to the crankshaft, as far as balance is concerned. It is a good idea to have the prop/engine combination dynamically balanced when flying. On all of the flywheels, there is a letter O stamped on the surface of the flywheel, on the side that touches the crankshaft. This O is next to the hole that matches the over sized prop bolt bushing on the crankshaft. The flywheel will only fit on the crankshaft one way. It will rock back and forth if it is not seated correctly. Ross Scroggs, A&P Conyers, Ga. RV-4 #3911 Wings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Lycoming Flywheel Orientation > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > > I bet the parts are interchangable between engines, but I don't know. > Quick, someone call an expert! > > KB > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Konrad Werner" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Lycoming Flywheel Orientation > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" > > > > Dear Kyle, > > Do you also have an idea about the balancing part of the question? Is it > > just the flywheel being balanced (and can therefore be put on any other > > engine!), or is it the flywheel & crank combo, which get's balanced during > > assembly at the Factory. Any input would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Konrad > > > > Do not archive > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kyle Boatright" > > To: > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Lycoming Flywheel Orientation > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > > > > > > > > One of the lugs on the crank is a different size than the others. There > > is > > > a matching hole on the flywheel. The only way your flywheel will fit is > > by > > > matching the odd sized lug with the odd sized hole. > > > KB > > > > My question is this: the > > > > flywheel/starter ring gear has various timing marks that suggest it > > needs > > > to > > > > be oriented to the crank in a certain position. However, there are no > > > > obvious marks to show what position this is. The flywheel has a hole > > > > drilled in it (and another halfway drilled) near the outer edge, and > > these > > > > look to me like balancing holes, but I cannot tell if that is to > balance > > > > ONLY the flywheel or to balance the flywheel/crank/etc. assembly as a > > > whole. > > > > I have not moved the flywheel position but want to know if this is > > > something > > > > to keep an eye out for. Any comments/suggestions would be much > > > appreciated. > > > > TIA. > > > > > > > > John H. Wiegenstein > > > > HELLER WIEGENSTEIN PLLC > > > > 19301 - 8th Avenue NE, Suite A > > > > Poulsbo, WA 98370 > > > > (360) 394-3500 > > > > (360) 394-3503 FAX > > > > johnw@hellerwiegenstein.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:38 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Drilling lightening holes From: "" --> RV-List message posted by: "" Any tips on drilling lightening holes? I just spent 45 minutes drilling one hole through the VS rear spar doubler. I used a circle cutter on the slowest speed (620 rpm), but it took forever. I know they should probably be drilled slower, but no luck with the current drill press. Any good advice?? At this rate, I think there will only be one lightening hole... THanks, Scott Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!