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1. 03:01 AM - Diesel Power (Neil Henderson)
2. 04:38 AM - Re: Diesel Power (Kyle Boatright)
3. 04:44 AM - battery & box (Dave Ford)
4. 05:19 AM - Re: battery & box (Jerry Springer)
5. 05:23 AM - Re: Diesel Power (Jerry Springer)
6. 05:41 AM - Re: 6A/8A Tow Bar... (Ollie Washburn)
7. 06:27 AM - Re: Diesel Power (kempthornes)
8. 06:27 AM - Drilling lightening holes .. WHAT CRASH ?? (P M Condon)
9. 06:42 AM - Re: 6A/8A Tow Bar... (Richard Dudley)
10. 06:42 AM - Re: Drilling lightening holes - Test Post (Wier, Daniel C.)
11. 06:42 AM - Re: Diesel Power (terence.gannon@telus.net)
12. 06:49 AM - Trip to Kissimmee, FL... (Ken Balch)
13. 06:54 AM - Re: Great building tip regarding riveting in enlarged (Bill Dube)
14. 07:05 AM - Re: Diesel Power (Bill Dube)
15. 08:18 AM - Re: Diesel Power (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
16. 08:26 AM - >Re:Diesel Power (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
17. 08:27 AM - Re: battery & box (Rick Galati)
18. 08:30 AM - Re: Aligning trailing edge (Randy Lervold)
19. 09:10 AM - Re: Diesel Power (Rob Prior)
20. 09:24 AM - RV7 Rudder - fabricating parts (Ken Brooks)
21. 09:34 AM - Re: Home Wing Meeting (karie4@attbi.com)
22. 09:46 AM - Re: battery & box (Vanremog@aol.com)
23. 09:50 AM - Re: Trip to Kissimmee, FL... (Jim Jewell)
24. 10:37 AM - >Re:Diesel Power (Wiethe, Philip (P.J.))
25. 10:46 AM - Re: battery & box (HCRV6@aol.com)
26. 11:00 AM - Re: Drilling lightening holes .. WHAT CRASH ?? (Patrick Kelley)
27. 11:15 AM - Re: Drilling lightening holes .. WHAT CRASH ?? (Canyon)
28. 11:58 AM - Re: Drilling lightening holes .. WHAT CRASH ?? (Konrad Werner)
29. 12:01 PM - Are you getting double messages??? (from RV-List) (James E. Clark)
30. 12:07 PM - Fine scratch removal in hard paints..help (P M Condon)
31. 12:26 PM - Painting Question (Lenleg@aol.com)
32. 12:37 PM - Re: Fine scratch removal in hard paints..help (Larygagnon@aol.com)
33. 12:40 PM - Re: Diesel Power (Dr. Kevin P. Leathers)
34. 12:53 PM - Re: Painting Question (Bob Di Meo)
35. 12:54 PM - Re: Painting Question (Larry Hawkins)
36. 01:03 PM - Re: Diesel Power (Mr Christopher McGough)
37. 01:15 PM - Re: Painting Question (TColeE@aol.com)
38. 01:30 PM - Re: Painting Question (Randy Lervold)
39. 01:36 PM - Re: Diesel Power (Jim Norman)
40. 01:38 PM - Re: Painting Question (Jim Norman)
41. 02:53 PM - Nexus Mustang (Kevin Brewster)
42. 03:00 PM - Re: Aligning trailing edge (Elsa & Henry)
43. 03:23 PM - Re: Aligning trailing edge (Alex Peterson)
44. 03:44 PM - Re: Nexus Mustang (C. Rabaut)
45. 04:04 PM - Re: Painting Question (John Huft)
46. 04:34 PM - Re: Painting Question (kempthornes)
47. 04:36 PM - Re: Painting Question (Vanremog@aol.com)
48. 04:42 PM - Painting Question - Decision (Lenleg@aol.com)
49. 05:06 PM - Re: Painting Question (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
50. 06:51 PM - Re: Painting Question (Larry Bowen)
51. 07:11 PM - Re: Nexus Mustang (Kevin Brewster)
52. 08:11 PM - Re: Painting Question (Randy Lervold)
53. 08:49 PM - Plexiglas and Pro-seal (Mark Phillips)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
Listers
I have decided to fit a Wilksch WAM120 Diesel engine to my RV9-A. This is a new
engine manufactured in the UK designed specifically for aviation and is available
as a firewall package for the RV9. Putting aside the issues of using a new and
relatively untried design the package offers many
benefits, Single lever control i.e. - No mixture or carb heat, No ignigition system
i.e - No magnetos and spark plugs, No shock cooling( Water Cooled ), Superior
altitude performance, a modern design not a 40 year old dinosaur and most
significantly relatively inexpensive fuel available for the foreseeable future.
Check out www.wilksch.com
At the present the unit is available at 120 HP although a 160HP version will be
available next year. My question is doe's anyone know of a RV9 flying on 120HP
and if so how well does it perform.
Neil Henderson
Near Aylesbury in the UK
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| Subject: | Re: Diesel Power |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
The original RV-9 prototype (the one built from the fuselage of the
RV-6B(?)) had 118 hp. Van's website has performance data based on that
engine. The most noticable difference between the 118 hp aircraft and the
150-160 hp aircraft will be in takeoff and climb performance.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
Subject: RV-List: Diesel Power
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson"
<neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
>
> Listers
>
> I have decided to fit a Wilksch WAM120 Diesel engine to my RV9-A. This is
a new engine manufactured in the UK designed specifically for aviation and
is available
>
> as a firewall package for the RV9. Putting aside the issues of using a new
and relatively untried design the package offers many
>
> benefits, Single lever control i.e. - No mixture or carb heat, No
ignigition system i.e - No magnetos and spark plugs, No shock cooling(
Water Cooled ), Superior altitude performance, a modern design not a 40 year
old dinosaur and most significantly relatively inexpensive fuel available
for the foreseeable future. Check out www.wilksch.com
>
> At the present the unit is available at 120 HP although a 160HP version
will be available next year. My question is doe's anyone know of a RV9
flying on 120HP
>
> and if so how well does it perform.
>
> Neil Henderson
>
> Near Aylesbury in the UK
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" <dford@michweb.net>
For those who are using a smaller battery such as the PC680 in the supplied battery
box for the 6 what are you doing to fill the extra space to keep the battery
from moving around?
Dave Ford
RV6
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| Subject: | Re: battery & box |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
I used some high density foam glued to the sides of the box, I know that
is what some others have done also.
Jerry
Dave Ford wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" <dford@michweb.net>
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> For those who are using a smaller battery such as the PC680 in the supplied battery
box for the 6 what are you doing to fill the extra space to keep the battery
from moving around?
>
> Dave Ford
> RV6
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| Subject: | Re: Diesel Power |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Neil Henderson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
>
> Listers
>
> I have decided to fit a Wilksch WAM120 Diesel engine to my RV9-A. This is a new
engine manufactured in the UK designed specifically for aviation and is available
>
> as a firewall package for the RV9. Putting aside the issues of using a new and
relatively untried design the package offers many
>
> benefits, Single lever control i.e. - No mixture or carb heat, No ignigition
system i.e - No magnetos and spark plugs, No shock cooling( Water Cooled ), Superior
altitude performance, a modern design not a 40 year old dinosaur and most
significantly relatively inexpensive fuel available for the foreseeable future.
Check out www.wilksch.com
>
> At the present the unit is available at 120 HP although a 160HP version will
be available next year. My question is doe's anyone know of a RV9 flying on 120HP
>
> and if so how well does it perform.
>
> Neil Henderson
>
> Near Aylesbury in the UK
>
>
>
Hope it works out for you, my question is what do you do when you are
away from home and need to refuel? Do most of the airports there have
some diesel fuel around?
Jerry
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 6A/8A Tow Bar... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn" <skybolt-aviator@msn.com>
Richard-------
For tow bar pics go to http://photos.yahoo.com/washburn_33573 or they are also
listed in the matronics photo share.
Ollie Central Fl RV6A
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Dudley
Subject: Re: RV-List: 6A/8A Tow Bar...
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
John,
I must have missed the thread on tow bars. I am very interested in any
information, including pictures or drawings of tow bars suitable for
RV-6As. It is a problem that I have yet to solve.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
-6A FWF
John wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <jtb1@prodigy.net>
>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: 6A Tow Bar...
>
> Carl,
> I received the pictures of the tow bar. That is pretty ingenious and
> looks simple to make. | am definitely going to make one and also pass the
> info along to fellow RV-6A and RV-8A owner and builder here at my home
> airport, (Twin Lakes Airpark S-17) here in SC.
>
> Thanks again,
> Jack Bombard
> RV-8A builder (working om wings)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Diesel Power |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 10:58 AM 2/12/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
>
>At the present the unit is available at 120 HP although a 160HP version
>will be available next year. My question is doe's anyone know of a RV9
>flying on 120HP
>
>and if so how well does it perform.
If you could get a ride in an RV9 with 160 hp at about 7500 feet where the
engine would only be putting out only about 75% or 120 hp. you'd get the
feeling of yours at sea level.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Drilling lightening holes .. WHAT CRASH ?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: P M Condon <pcondon@mitre.org>
Pat, if you are referring to a recent thread on the rocket crash in
Houston, Texas; it had nothing to do with any lightning holes. Read
Mark's discussion on the cause of the accident. (It was a MISSING
structural part....)
From: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
RV-List: Drilling lightening holes
".....Since there was recently a thread
on the list concerning a crash involving loss of the VS, you may want to
reconsider re-engineering this part......"
"......On my early pre-pre-punch tail kit and my (one of the first)
pre-punch
wing kit for my -6A, I had to drill a lot of lightening holes. I don't
recall any in material larger that .040", and the only hole I needed to
cut in the VS doubler (bottom of the 'fork') was done with a unibit. On
the thinner material, a fly cutter takes seconds to finish the hole,
though I think my small drill press would bog down on thicker material.
If you must make large-diameter holes in thick stock, I think I would
recommend a router or getting it milled. I just looked at my preview
plans for the -7A and see no callout or recommendation for lightening
holes in the VS rear spar or doubler. Since there was recently a thread
on the list concerning a crash involving loss of the VS, you may want to
reconsider re-engineering this part........."
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| Subject: | Re: 6A/8A Tow Bar... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Thanks, Ollie.
What part of Central FL?
Regards,
Richard Dudley
Ollie Washburn wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn" <skybolt-aviator@msn.com>
>
> Richard-------
> For tow bar pics go to http://photos.yahoo.com/washburn_33573 or they are also
listed in the matronics photo share.
> Ollie Central Fl RV6A
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Dudley
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: 6A/8A Tow Bar...
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
>
> John,
> I must have missed the thread on tow bars. I am very interested in any
> information, including pictures or drawings of tow bars suitable for
> RV-6As. It is a problem that I have yet to solve.
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Dudley
> -6A FWF
>
> John wrote:
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <jtb1@prodigy.net>
> >
> > Subject: RE: RV-List: 6A Tow Bar...
> >
> > Carl,
> > I received the pictures of the tow bar. That is pretty ingenious and
> > looks simple to make. | am definitely going to make one and also pass the
> > info along to fellow RV-6A and RV-8A owner and builder here at my home
> > airport, (Twin Lakes Airpark S-17) here in SC.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Jack Bombard
> > RV-8A builder (working om wings)
> >
>
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| Subject: | Drilling lightening holes - Test Post |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wier, Daniel C." <daniel@thegreatwhite.net>
I am trying to post again:
Just a comment, I had this same problem exactly and when I investegated
it, I found that the cutting bit was in backwards. It is not like a
knife so you do not want the sloping edge to go into the cut, instead
you want the lowest point to be at the front of the cutter and then the
slop moves upwards away from the cut. My guess is that you were basicly
grinding and burning your way through as I did the first time. I can
send you pictures of the correct way if you would like. Good luck and
hope this helps. My first hole took me 40 minutes and I was so made
that I almost gave up, but once I turned the bit around, it took only
about 40 seconds a hole and made beautiful cuts.
Daniel Wier
RV-7
www.buildtherv7.com
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| Subject: | Re: Diesel Power |
--> RV-List message posted by: terence.gannon@telus.net
Jerry -- my quick scan of the website would seem to indicate that it will run
on Jet A ("The new WAM-CITEC engine concept allows the use of diesel and jet
fuels"). If that's the case, that fuel is actually MORE available than
gasoline some places here in Canada (the far North). I think the new engine
looks intriguing. Good on Neil for committing to giving it a try!
Terry in Calgary
RV-6 S/N 24414
"Wings"
Quoting Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
>
> Hope it works out for you, my question is what do you do when you are
> away from home and need to refuel? Do most of the airports there have
> some diesel fuel around?
>
> Jerry
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Trip to Kissimmee, FL... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch1@attbi.com>
Hi All,
I'm going to be flying down to Kissimmee, FL next week (probably on
Tuesday, 2/18 - weather permitting, of course) and staying at least
through the weekend.
I'd like to hear any FBO recommendations at KISM that local
builders/flyers might have to offer. Anyone who might have space in
their hangar for my RV would find me very grateful. I'm hoping to be
able to find enough time away from visiting to do a little exploring of
the local airports. Any tips along those lines would also be
appreciated. I've been to FL many, many times (dozens, at least) over
the past thirty years, but never with an airplane of my own. That is to
say, I've seen all of the standard touristy stuff multiple times and am
more interested in checking out interesting airfields, restaurants, etc.
Incidentally, I'm going with KISM because my parents know how to find it
and they say it's relatively convenient for them (they live in
Clermont). Anyway, I'm looking forward to getting away from the near
zero wind chill temps we've been having in Boston and off to sunny
FL...! :-)
Regards,
Ken Balch
RV-8 N118KB
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| Subject: | Re: Great building tip regarding riveting in enlarged |
holes
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>
>I layed the pneumatic squeezer on the bench and held the rivet with a pair
>of tweezers while squeezing. Keep making it shorter and fatter until it just
>snuggly fits into the enlarged holes. Now bucking it straight is a piece of
>cake.
GREAT tip!!!
Thanks for this one!
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| Subject: | Re: Diesel Power |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
At 03:58 AM 2/12/2003, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
>
>Listers
>
>I have decided to fit a Wilksch WAM120 Diesel engine to my RV9-A. This is
>a new engine manufactured in the UK designed specifically for aviation and
>is available as a firewall package for the RV9. Putting aside the issues
>of using a new and relatively untried design the package offers many
>benefits, Single lever control i.e. - No mixture or carb heat, No
>ignigition system i.e - No magnetos and spark plugs, No shock cooling(
>Water Cooled ), Superior altitude performance, a modern design not a 40
>year old dinosaur and most significantly relatively inexpensive fuel
>available for the foreseeable future.
I'm VERY interested in Diesel power. Is the RV-9 firewall forward
package very expensive? What sort of lead time is there?
> Check out www.wilksch.com
>
>At the present the unit is available at 120 HP although a 160HP version
>will be available next year.
Any idea about cost for the 160 HP?
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| Subject: | Re: Diesel Power |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
In a message dated 02/12/2003 6:29:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,
kempthornes@earthlink.net writes:
> If you could get a ride in an RV9 with 160 hp at about 7500 feet where the
> engine would only be putting out only about 75% or 120 hp. you'd get the
> feeling of yours at sea level.
>
>
> K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
> RV6-a N7HK flying!
> PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
>
It appears that the Wilksch WAM120 Diesel engine is turbocharged. I would
expect the engine to provide 120 hp until it gets to its critical altitude.
10,000 feet?
18,000 feet?
Jim Ayers
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| Subject: | Re: >Re:Diesel Power |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
To find out the true capability of any engine to perform work you need
horsepower AND torque figures.
I have a 350 horsepower Cummins diesel in my International truck-tractor ,
which handles an 80'000 pound load. Would a 350 horsepower Chevy V/8 do this
?? HA ! HA !
This is to illustrate what is required to find the work performing ability of
an engine.
The 120 horsepower diesel might swing an 8 foot prop , if the torque was
there to turn it. Find out both before you make such an expenditure .
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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| Subject: | Re: battery & box |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick07x@earthlink.net>
Dave,
I took advantage of the battery's smaller profile and installed the
master relay next to it. A few well placed shims and some foam RTV'd
to the cover keeps the battery secure.
Rick Galati
RV-6A FWF
--- Rick Galati
--- rick07x@earthlink.net
Subject:
battery box
From:
Dave Ford (dford@michweb.net )
Date:
Wed Feb 12 - 4:44
AM
-- RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" dford@michweb.net
For those who are using a smaller battery such as the PC680 in the supplied battery
box for the 6 what are you doing to fill the extra space to keep the battery
from moving around?
Dave Ford
RV6
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| Subject: | Re: Aligning trailing edge |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
I'm afraid I must disagree with this. I wouldn't say anything but I'm afraid
someone might go rig their plane wrong and be quite unhappy about it. Don't
take my word for it, call Van's, but please, do not use the wingtip as a
reference!
Randy Lervold
RV-8, 295 hrs
www.rv-8.com
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry"
<elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
>
> Ron; You don't align the wing tip to the aileron, its the other way round!
> the wing tip is installed so that it makes a nice fit and conforms to the
> curvature of the top outboard skin. It should follow nicely. (at least
mine
> did and I' talking about the flat-top polyester ones here). Then the
aileron
> is clamped to the wing tip (and there should be a 1/4" gap between them
and
> their top surfaces should match flat to each other (assuming the aileron
> hinges were installed correctly) Then adjust the aileron control rod-ends
to
> bring the stick to the perpendicular (neutral). Then adjust the other
> aileron's rod-ends to bring that one to match its wing tip,-----etc.
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| Subject: | Re: Diesel Power |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
A local builder here in Vancouver, BC just completed and flew his RV-9A
powered by a Lycoming O-290 (135HP). He says it outperforms his RV-6A,
which had a Lycoming O-320 (160HP). Climbs faster, cruises faster.
I could ask him for numbers, but he does occasionally read the list...
Maybe he'll chime in.
-RB4
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson"
>
> <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
>
>>Listers
>>
>>I have decided to fit a Wilksch WAM120 Diesel engine to my RV9-A. This is
>
> a new engine manufactured in the UK designed specifically for aviation and
> is available
>
>>as a firewall package for the RV9. Putting aside the issues of using a new
>
> and relatively untried design the package offers many
>
>>benefits, Single lever control i.e. - No mixture or carb heat, No
>
> ignigition system i.e - No magnetos and spark plugs, No shock cooling(
> Water Cooled ), Superior altitude performance, a modern design not a 40 year
> old dinosaur and most significantly relatively inexpensive fuel available
> for the foreseeable future. Check out www.wilksch.com
>
>>At the present the unit is available at 120 HP although a 160HP version
>
> will be available next year. My question is doe's anyone know of a RV9
> flying on 120HP
>
>>and if so how well does it perform.
>>
>>Neil Henderson
>>
>>Near Aylesbury in the UK
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| Subject: | RV7 Rudder - fabricating parts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" <kenbrooks@charter.net>
I have a Craftsman bandsaw that I use mostly for wood cutting (some
small metal pieces like .040 angle and smaller), but for larger metal
cutting, I much prefer my A&P partner's vintage hack saw! It has a
knurled knob tensioner that really gets the blade tight. With a good
sharp blade in it, it cuts through aluminum like a knife through butter
(well, almost). It's MUCH faster than the bandsaw on large stock like
the angle used for the tank-to-fuselage attach brackets. I'll see if I
can find a supplier of this type of hacksaw and post it to the list. I
would put this on my "must have" list of tools for any RV project.
Ken Brooks
Roscoe, IL
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| Subject: | RE: Home Wing Meeting |
--> RV-List message posted by: karie4@attbi.com
The February meeting will be at Van's Factory, always a good venue for a
meeting about RVs!
Anyone from the Seattle area plan on attending? I am flying up with an RV8
builder and it would be great to meet some other locals.
Karie Daniel
RV-7A QB
Sammamish, WA.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: battery & box |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 2/12/2003 4:46:46 AM Pacific Standard Time,
dford@michweb.net writes:
> For those who are using a smaller battery such as the PC680 in the supplied
> battery box for the 6 what are you doing to fill the extra space to keep
> the battery from moving around?
I just got some ethafoam (firm white polyethylene shipping foam), band sawed
it to shape and duct taped it to the sides of the PC680 battery. Voila,
instant large Concorde battery shape. The PC680 is already the correct
height so you just need to add to the length and width. I also put a loose
piece of foam between the battery top and the top inside of the battery box
to ensure that terminals would never short out.
-GV (RV-6A N1GV 590hrs)
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| Subject: | Re: Trip to Kissimmee, FL... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Ken,
Have you taken in the Kermit Weeks 'Fantasy of flight Museum' yet?
It was worth the stop for me five years ago. It's almost certain to have
improved since then.
Do not archive .. Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Balch" <kbalch1@attbi.com>
Subject: RV-List: Trip to Kissimmee, FL...
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch1@attbi.com>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm going to be flying down to Kissimmee, FL next week (probably on
> Tuesday, 2/18 - weather permitting, of course) and staying at least
> through the weekend.
>
> I'd like to hear any FBO recommendations at KISM that local
> builders/flyers might have to offer. Anyone who might have space in
> their hangar for my RV would find me very grateful. I'm hoping to be
> able to find enough time away from visiting to do a little exploring of
> the local airports. Any tips along those lines would also be
> appreciated. I've been to FL many, many times (dozens, at least) over
> the past thirty years, but never with an airplane of my own. That is to
> say, I've seen all of the standard touristy stuff multiple times and am
> more interested in checking out interesting airfields, restaurants, etc.
>
> Incidentally, I'm going with KISM because my parents know how to find it
> and they say it's relatively convenient for them (they live in
> Clermont). Anyway, I'm looking forward to getting away from the near
> zero wind chill temps we've been having in Boston and off to sunny
> FL...! :-)
>
> Regards,
> Ken Balch
> RV-8 N118KB
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: >Re:Diesel Power |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe@ford.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Re:Diesel%20Power&replyto=200302121625.h1CGPZM17893@matronics.com"Oldsfolks@aol.com
<mailto:Oldsfolks@aol.com?subject=Re:%20>
To find out the true capability of any engine to perform work you need
horsepower AND torque figures.
I have a 350 horsepower Cummins diesel in my International truck-tractor
,
which handles an 80'000 pound load. Would a 350 horsepower Chevy V/8 do
this
?? HA ! HA !
This is to illustrate what is required to find the work performing ability
of
an engine.
The 120 horsepower diesel might swing an 8 foot prop , if the torque was
there to turn it. Find out both before you make such an expenditure .
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
For an aircraft application, such as this, it doesn't really matter that much where
the HP is made, as you can either run direct drive or with a reduction unit
to get the engine RPM to the necessary prop RPM. Ignoring losses of the reduction
unit, the 120 HP at the engine flywheel will still translate to 120 HP
at the propeller shaft, at prop RPM. Given HP vs. RPM or Torque vs. RPM, the
other is easily derived. HP (horsepower) = Torque (ft-lbs) * RPM / 5252. A
turbine spinning at 60,000 RPM making 120HP or a Diesel spinning at 1800 RPM making
120HP can make 120HP at the prop at 2700 RPM as long as the proper reduction
ratio is used. The more important critera is overall weight and size of
the engine/reduction unit package, fuel-economy......and cost :).
One other note, the aviation diesels including the one mentioned here, will run
on either Diesel or Jet fuel (kerosene).
Phil
8A wings
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| Subject: | Re: battery & box |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 2/12/03 4:46:55 AM Pacific Standard Time,
dford@michweb.net writes:
<< For those who are using a smaller battery such as the PC680 in the
supplied battery box for the 6 what are you doing to fill the extra space to
keep the battery from moving around?
Dave Ford
RV6 >>
I used what some would call a belt and suspenders approach in which I used
some short lengths of 0.063 angle in the bottom, front end and in the back of
the cover, including a piece on the front of the box to hold the battery down
and another similar piece at the back attached to the cover, to make certain
the battery stays where I want it. I also lined the interior of the cover
with some closed cell semi rigid foam I had laying around for extra insurance
that the smaller battery's terminals could never contact the airframe under
worst case conditions. Like I said, belt and suspenders.
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, starting firewall forward
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| Subject: | Drilling lightening holes .. WHAT CRASH ?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
Ok, I stand corrected on the lightening hole issue; while no RV-6 that I
am aware of has lightening holes in the rear VS or HS spars, I trust Van
- so if he put it in the plans I'd trust it. I won't get my RV-7A plans
until I finish the -6A; that's a decree from my financier and assistant
riveter (read 'spouse') <grin>. So I am a bit behind the revision
curve.
As for the Rocket crash (which I *was* referring to), I was aware of the
cause but the point was meant to be that you don't want to take a chance
losing the VS. IIRC, the main thrust of the thread, aside from
discussing the cause, was commenting how uncontrollable the RV would
likely be without the VS. Personally, I have neither experience here
nor an opinion but neither do I desire to become an instant test pilot.
Therefore, because I am also no engineer, I tend to follow the plans
conservatively and advise the same to others. On the other hand, I
respect the builders who have experimented on their own, starting with
Art Chard - whose modifications helped lead to the -6 and -6A.
Thanks to all who set me straight about the plans revision.
Patrick Kelley - RV-6A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of P M Condon
Subject: RV-List: Drilling lightening holes .. WHAT CRASH ??
--> RV-List message posted by: P M Condon <pcondon@mitre.org>
Pat, if you are referring to a recent thread on the rocket crash in
Houston, Texas; it had nothing to do with any lightning holes. Read
Mark's discussion on the cause of the accident. (It was a MISSING
structural part....)
From: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
RV-List: Drilling lightening holes
".....Since there was recently a thread
on the list concerning a crash involving loss of the VS, you may want to
reconsider re-engineering this part......"
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| Subject: | Drilling lightening holes .. WHAT CRASH ?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
Patrick Kelley wrote:
>As for the Rocket crash (which I *was* referring to)
---
As a lurking newbie here, where might one read about this apparent mishap?
Thanks,
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Drilling lightening holes .. WHAT CRASH ?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
Info on the accident should be in the Archives.
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Canyon" <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Drilling lightening holes .. WHAT CRASH ??
> --> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
>
> Patrick Kelley wrote:
> >As for the Rocket crash (which I *was* referring to)
> ---
> As a lurking newbie here, where might one read about this apparent mishap?
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
>
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| Subject: | Are you getting double messages??? (from RV-List) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <jclark@conterra.com>
I seem to be getting double messages from the RV-List, though not from
others like the Aeroelectric List, the RV6-List etc.
Anyone else experiencing this or have any idea as to why I may be?
Thanks,
James
"If you don't make dust, you eat dust"
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| Subject: | Fine scratch removal in hard paints..help |
--> RV-List message posted by: P M Condon <pcondon@mitre.org>
Can anyone suggest a process or product which can polish out fine
swirles in hard Imeron or epoxie paints? I am thinking something like
the plastic restorer kits that use the drill attachment and polish(s)
that you polish out scratches. Has anyone used anything with luck ?
The traditional white polishing paste or rubbing compounds are to rough.
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| Subject: | Painting Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
List:
I am putting my 8A in the paint shop next Friday and met with the paint shop
today to go over the paint scheme. I had red picked for the top part of the
plane including the front top skin, cowling, etc.
The painter doesn't want to put any type of color on that part of the plane
because of glare. I have a black accent area and he wants to either put a
flat black on the top front skin or white.
Have any of you heard of this problem or those flying experienced this
problem? This totally screws up my paint scheme !!
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, NC N910LL
54 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Fine scratch removal in hard paints..help |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larygagnon@aol.com
Your local paint supply store should have a liquid glaze product for taking
swirl marks out of clear coat paint. It is much thinner then the rubbing or
polishing products.
Larry
RV6 painting N6LG
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| Subject: | Re: Diesel Power |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
How could this be possible? Assuming, of couse that the RV6 was built
properly and the engine was running well.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Diesel Power
> --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
>
> A local builder here in Vancouver, BC just completed and flew his RV-9A
> powered by a Lycoming O-290 (135HP). He says it outperforms his RV-6A,
> which had a Lycoming O-320 (160HP). Climbs faster, cruises faster.
>
> I could ask him for numbers, but he does occasionally read the list...
> Maybe he'll chime in.
>
> -RB4
>
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson"
> >
> > <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
> >
> >>Listers
> >>
> >>I have decided to fit a Wilksch WAM120 Diesel engine to my RV9-A. This
is
> >
> > a new engine manufactured in the UK designed specifically for aviation
and
> > is available
> >
> >>as a firewall package for the RV9. Putting aside the issues of using a
new
> >
> > and relatively untried design the package offers many
> >
> >>benefits, Single lever control i.e. - No mixture or carb heat, No
> >
> > ignigition system i.e - No magnetos and spark plugs, No shock cooling(
> > Water Cooled ), Superior altitude performance, a modern design not a 40
year
> > old dinosaur and most significantly relatively inexpensive fuel
available
> > for the foreseeable future. Check out www.wilksch.com
> >
> >>At the present the unit is available at 120 HP although a 160HP version
> >
> > will be available next year. My question is doe's anyone know of a RV9
> > flying on 120HP
> >
> >>and if so how well does it perform.
> >>
> >>Neil Henderson
> >>
> >>Near Aylesbury in the UK
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Di Meo" <bdimeo@attbi.com>
Who's paying the bills anyway? I've seen aircraft with all sorts of colors
there. Yes, there'll be glare, but you'll get that with ANY color. Heck, red
will give you less glare than white!
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: <Lenleg@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Painting Question
> --> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
> List:
>
> I am putting my 8A in the paint shop next Friday and met with the paint
shop
> today to go over the paint scheme. I had red picked for the top part of
the
> plane including the front top skin, cowling, etc.
>
> The painter doesn't want to put any type of color on that part of the
plane
> because of glare. I have a black accent area and he wants to either put a
> flat black on the top front skin or white.
>
> Have any of you heard of this problem or those flying experienced this
> problem? This totally screws up my paint scheme !!
>
> Len Leggette, RV-8A
> Greensboro, NC N910LL
> 54 hours
>
>
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| Subject: | Painting Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Hawkins <lhawkins@giant.com>
Mine is painted bright yellow and will be having that area repainted with
flat black. Sometimes the glare is unbearable.
Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, flying ~40 hrs.
-----Original Message-----
From: Lenleg@aol.com [mailto:Lenleg@aol.com]
Subject: RV-List: Painting Question
--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
List:
I am putting my 8A in the paint shop next Friday and met with the paint shop
today to go over the paint scheme. I had red picked for the top part of the
plane including the front top skin, cowling, etc.
The painter doesn't want to put any type of color on that part of the plane
because of glare. I have a black accent area and he wants to either put a
flat black on the top front skin or white.
Have any of you heard of this problem or those flying experienced this
problem? This totally screws up my paint scheme !!
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, NC N910LL
54 hours
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RE: RV-List: Painting Question
Mine is painted bright yellow and will be having that area repainted with flat
black. Sometimes the glare is unbearable.
Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, flying ~40 hrs.
-----Original Message-----
From: Lenleg@aol.com [<A HREF"mailto:Lenleg@aol.com">mailto:Lenleg@aol.com]
Subject: RV-List: Painting Question
-- RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
List:
I am putting my 8A in the paint shop next Friday and met with the paint shop
today to go over the paint scheme. I had red picked for the top part of the
plane including the front top skin, cowling, etc.
The painter doesn't want to put any type of color on that part of the plane
because of glare. I have a black accent area and he wants to either put a
flat black on the top front skin or white.
Have any of you heard of this problem or those flying experienced this
problem? This totally screws up my paint scheme !!
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, NC N910LL
54 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Diesel Power |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mr Christopher McGough" <vhmum@bigpond.com>
His 6 must have lead weights!!!!
Chris and Susie
VH-MUM
>
> A local builder here in Vancouver, BC just completed and flew his RV-9A
> powered by a Lycoming O-290 (135HP). He says it outperforms his RV-6A,
> which had a Lycoming O-320 (160HP). Climbs faster, cruises faster.
>
> I could ask him for numbers, but he does occasionally read the list...
> Maybe he'll chime in.
>
> -RB4
>
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson"
> >
> > <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
> >
> >>Listers
> >>
> >>I have decided to fit a Wilksch WAM120 Diesel engine to my RV9-A. This
is
> >
> > a new engine manufactured in the UK designed specifically for aviation
and
> > is available
> >
> >>as a firewall package for the RV9. Putting aside the issues of using a
new
> >
> > and relatively untried design the package offers many
> >
> >>benefits, Single lever control i.e. - No mixture or carb heat, No
> >
> > ignigition system i.e - No magnetos and spark plugs, No shock cooling(
> > Water Cooled ), Superior altitude performance, a modern design not a 40
year
> > old dinosaur and most significantly relatively inexpensive fuel
available
> > for the foreseeable future. Check out www.wilksch.com
> >
> >>At the present the unit is available at 120 HP although a 160HP version
> >
> > will be available next year. My question is doe's anyone know of a RV9
> > flying on 120HP
> >
> >>and if so how well does it perform.
> >>
> >>Neil Henderson
> >>
> >>Near Aylesbury in the UK
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: TColeE@aol.com
Len: It is your plane, So do what you want. I have been talked into and out
of things by others and sure wish I had kept to what I really really wanted.
Just one mans thoughts.
Terry E. Cole
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
He obviously hasn't flown an RV-8/8A. While you can see this area from the
cockpit it is at such a low angle that the color is completely non-critical.
My plane is bright white there and it introduces no glare whatsoever...
http://www.rv-8.com/Pictures/RandyMark-OregonCoast01.jpg
Randy Lervold
RV-8, 295 hrs
www.rv-8.com
Home Wing VAF
----- Original Message -----
From: <Lenleg@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Painting Question
> --> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
> List:
>
> I am putting my 8A in the paint shop next Friday and met with the paint
shop
> today to go over the paint scheme. I had red picked for the top part of
the
> plane including the front top skin, cowling, etc.
>
> The painter doesn't want to put any type of color on that part of the
plane
> because of glare. I have a black accent area and he wants to either put a
> flat black on the top front skin or white.
>
> Have any of you heard of this problem or those flying experienced this
> problem? This totally screws up my paint scheme !!
>
> Len Leggette, RV-8A
> Greensboro, NC N910LL
> 54 hours
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Norman" <jgnorman@tampabay.rr.com>
I'm with you Doc, I smell something rottin'!
jim
tampa
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dr. Kevin P.
Leathers
Subject: Re: RV-List: Diesel Power
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers"
<DrLeathers@822heal.com>
How could this be possible? Assuming, of couse that the RV6 was built
properly and the engine was running well.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Diesel Power
> --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
>
> A local builder here in Vancouver, BC just completed and flew his RV-9A
> powered by a Lycoming O-290 (135HP). He says it outperforms his RV-6A,
> which had a Lycoming O-320 (160HP). Climbs faster, cruises faster.
>
> I could ask him for numbers, but he does occasionally read the list...
> Maybe he'll chime in.
>
> -RB4
>
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson"
> >
> > <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
> >
> >>Listers
> >>
> >>I have decided to fit a Wilksch WAM120 Diesel engine to my RV9-A. This
is
> >
> > a new engine manufactured in the UK designed specifically for aviation
and
> > is available
> >
> >>as a firewall package for the RV9. Putting aside the issues of using a
new
> >
> > and relatively untried design the package offers many
> >
> >>benefits, Single lever control i.e. - No mixture or carb heat, No
> >
> > ignigition system i.e - No magnetos and spark plugs, No shock cooling(
> > Water Cooled ), Superior altitude performance, a modern design not a 40
year
> > old dinosaur and most significantly relatively inexpensive fuel
available
> > for the foreseeable future. Check out www.wilksch.com
> >
> >>At the present the unit is available at 120 HP although a 160HP version
> >
> > will be available next year. My question is doe's anyone know of a RV9
> > flying on 120HP
> >
> >>and if so how well does it perform.
> >>
> >>Neil Henderson
> >>
> >>Near Aylesbury in the UK
>
>
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| Subject: | Painting Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Norman" <jgnorman@tampabay.rr.com>
NONSENSE!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lenleg@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Painting Question
--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
List:
I am putting my 8A in the paint shop next Friday and met with the paint shop
today to go over the paint scheme. I had red picked for the top part of the
plane including the front top skin, cowling, etc.
The painter doesn't want to put any type of color on that part of the plane
because of glare. I have a black accent area and he wants to either put a
flat black on the top front skin or white.
Have any of you heard of this problem or those flying experienced this
problem? This totally screws up my paint scheme !!
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, NC N910LL
54 hours
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Brewster" <kevin@synelec.com.au>
Hello all,
I'm something of a lurker here as I'm building a Mustang-II, not an RV. This
is a great list however and a lot of really useful general information flows
through it. If anything there's too much information; if I read everything
of interest here I would never get any building done! Retrospective thanks
for all your help! :-)
Anyway, I thought some of you RV4/8 tandem oriented folks might be
interested in this:
http://www.xu-aviation.com/nexusmustang.htm
Have Fun!
Kevin Brewster
www.synelec.com.au/mustang
Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Aligning trailing edge |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
I'm Sorry I caused so much dissent in my reply to Ron on the subject.I
was just continuing on the remarks I made to Scott (post 2/10) re his first
flight where he reported a heavy wing and what I had done to rig my controls
and the excellent results I got on my test flight. I guess that in my reply
to Ron, I figured he had already set up his wing tips.
I guess I was remiss in stating how I installed MY wing tips so here
goes:
When I started building my wings and planning ahead, I figured it would
be good thing to have a fool-proof jig to be able to align the aileron and
wing outboard ribs using their tooling holes:
So I cut some 5 ply 1/2" plywood pieces to fit into the ends of those ribs
leaving about 1/4"clearance around their flanges. I then installed the
plywood pieces and (on my drill press) back-drilled the plywood 3/16"
through the rib's tooling holes. I then pressed into those holes, 1" long
3/16 steel roll-pins. The plywood pieces are easily removable and
replaceable. Voila! the aileron and wing can be aligned by placing a
straight edge so that it contacts all four roll-pins! Those inserts were
used to position the aileron outboard hinge brackets correctly to the rear
spar and to set the aileron hinges to their end ribs using a template
plugged into the roll-pins in the plywood jig in the end rib.
When it came time to install my wing tips, I had the wing flat on a table,
top skin up, and installed the aileron and by using the plywood inserts, set
it to neutral using a straight edge as described above. It was then locked
there during the tip installation process. To cut along story short, using
the Cleaveland kit which uses #4-40 screws and plate nuts, I was able to
flat-match perfectly the tip trailing edge with the aileron side and end. On
the left wing, I had to extend the tip trailing edge ~ 1/4'' because it was
short that much. The process was somewhat like what Jack Blomgren said in
his Post of 2/11
So 2 years later, after final installation of my wings, I KNEW I could rig
the controls to my wing tips. The flight test results speak for themselves!
Cheers!!-----Henry Hore
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| Subject: | Aligning trailing edge |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
> I'm afraid I must disagree with this. I wouldn't say anything
> but I'm afraid someone might go rig their plane wrong and be
> quite unhappy about it. Don't take my word for it, call
> Van's, but please, do not use the wingtip as a reference!
>
I agree totally with Randy's post above. The topic of how to rig/align
various wing things keeps showing up on this list every year or two. I
tried the tooling hole alignment method, but I found it much easier to
use the plywood template to align everything. It aligns the wingtip,
aileron and flaps to the desired airfoil, not to each other, an
important distinction! My plane flew dead nuts straight right out of
the box.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 253 hours
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | Re: Nexus Mustang |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Well those wings sure got a "thin" cross-section.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Brewster <kevin@synelec.com.au>
Subject: RV-List: Nexus Mustang
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Brewster" <kevin@synelec.com.au>
>
> Hello all,
> I'm something of a lurker here as I'm building a Mustang-II, not an RV.
This
> is a great list however and a lot of really useful general information
flows
> through it. If anything there's too much information; if I read everything
> of interest here I would never get any building done! Retrospective thanks
> for all your help! :-)
>
> Anyway, I thought some of you RV4/8 tandem oriented folks might be
> interested in this:
> http://www.xu-aviation.com/nexusmustang.htm
>
> Have Fun!
> Kevin Brewster
> www.synelec.com.au/mustang
> Australia
>
>
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| Subject: | Painting Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Huft" <aflyer@direcway.com>
Len, I have spent the last 12 years flying my c185 with a red cowl, it is
not a problem.
Next week, I will paint my 8 red all over.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lenleg@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Painting Question
--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
List:
I am putting my 8A in the paint shop next Friday and met with the paint shop
today to go over the paint scheme. I had red picked for the top part of the
plane including the front top skin, cowling, etc.
The painter doesn't want to put any type of color on that part of the plane
because of glare. I have a black accent area and he wants to either put a
flat black on the top front skin or white.
Have any of you heard of this problem or those flying experienced this
problem? This totally screws up my paint scheme !!
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, NC N910LL
54 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 03:25 PM 2/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
>The painter doesn't want to ................
Damn! Now you have to go out and locate another painter.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 2/12/2003 12:29:15 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Lenleg@aol.com writes:
> I am putting my 8A in the paint shop next Friday and met with the paint shop
>
> today to go over the paint scheme. I had red picked for the top part of
> the
> plane including the front top skin, cowling, etc.
>
> The painter doesn't want to put any type of color on that part of the plane
>
> because of glare. I have a black accent area and he wants to either put a
> flat black on the top front skin or white.
>
> Have any of you heard of this problem or those flying experienced this
> problem? This totally screws up my paint scheme !!
>
As others have attested, this is just simply BS. My plane is very white
white in this and most other areas and has no glaring effect at all. Go with
the scheme that makes you happy.
-GV (RV-6A N1GV 590hrs)
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| Subject: | Painting Question - Decision |
--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
List:
Thanks for all the quick responses ...99.9% said there would be no problem
with the glare. I did get one response from Larry flying an RV-4 that is
having a problem. Most think the angle of the front area on the 8/8A will
help keep the glare from being bad.
I decided to call Van's and talk with the highest 8 pilot there , Scott
Rison. He agreed that the glare should be no problem. The factory has a
couple with different colors in that area and have no glare problems.
In the end .... me .. the customer wins out !!!! It is going to be painted
the scheme I want !!!!
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, NC N910LL
54 hours & into the paint shop !!
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
Len, Since reflected light travels a 186,000 Miles Per Second it shouldn't
be a problem once you hit cruise speed in an RV! The light will still
bounce but it will be behind you!!
Must be all this Fiberglass Dust..........getting to my brain.
Do Not Archive
Tom in Siberia...er Ohio
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Huft" <aflyer@direcway.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Painting Question
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Huft" <aflyer@direcway.com>
>
> Len, I have spent the last 12 years flying my c185 with a red cowl, it is
> not a problem.
>
> Next week, I will paint my 8 red all over.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lenleg@aol.com
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Painting Question
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
> List:
>
> I am putting my 8A in the paint shop next Friday and met with the paint
shop
> today to go over the paint scheme. I had red picked for the top part of
the
> plane including the front top skin, cowling, etc.
>
> The painter doesn't want to put any type of color on that part of the
plane
> because of glare. I have a black accent area and he wants to either put a
> flat black on the top front skin or white.
>
> Have any of you heard of this problem or those flying experienced this
> problem? This totally screws up my paint scheme !!
>
> Len Leggette, RV-8A
> Greensboro, NC N910LL
> 54 hours
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Bowen <lcbowen@yahoo.com>
Why is your n-number removed from that picture? Just curious...
-LB
do not archive
--- Randy Lervold <randy@rv-8.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
>
> He obviously hasn't flown an RV-8/8A. While you can see this area from the
> cockpit it is at such a low angle that the color is completely non-critical.
> My plane is bright white there and it introduces no glare whatsoever...
> http://www.rv-8.com/Pictures/RandyMark-OregonCoast01.jpg
>
> Randy Lervold
> RV-8, 295 hrs
> www.rv-8.com
> Home Wing VAF
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Lenleg@aol.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Painting Question
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
> >
> > List:
> >
> > I am putting my 8A in the paint shop next Friday and met with the paint
> shop
> > today to go over the paint scheme. I had red picked for the top part of
> the
> > plane including the front top skin, cowling, etc.
> >
> > The painter doesn't want to put any type of color on that part of the
> plane
> > because of glare. I have a black accent area and he wants to either put a
> > flat black on the top front skin or white.
> >
> > Have any of you heard of this problem or those flying experienced this
> > problem? This totally screws up my paint scheme !!
> >
> > Len Leggette, RV-8A
> > Greensboro, NC N910LL
> > 54 hours
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nexus Mustang |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Brewster" <kevin@synelec.com.au>
I should clarify that this *isn't* my aircraft.
I wanted side-by-side seating and I chose the M-II. If I had wanted tandem I
probably would have gone for an RV-4.
But I'm eagerly waiting to learn the performance specs of this tandem Nexus
thing when it's finished!
Cheers,
Kevin.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Brewster" <kevin@synelec.com.au>
Subject: RV-List: Nexus Mustang
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Brewster" <kevin@synelec.com.au>
>
> Hello all,
> I'm something of a lurker here as I'm building a Mustang-II, not an RV.
This
> is a great list however and a lot of really useful general information
flows
> through it. If anything there's too much information; if I read everything
> of interest here I would never get any building done! Retrospective thanks
> for all your help! :-)
>
> Anyway, I thought some of you RV4/8 tandem oriented folks might be
> interested in this:
> http://www.xu-aviation.com/nexusmustang.htm
>
> Have Fun!
> Kevin Brewster
> www.synelec.com.au/mustang
> Australia
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
It's not. My numbers are gold and they seem to be difficult for cameras to
capture against the bright red... usually blurs. The pic is completely
untouched. BTW, that's the Oregon coast.
Randy
do not archive
> Why is your n-number removed from that picture? Just curious...
>
> -LB
>
> do not archive
>
> --- Randy Lervold <randy@rv-8.com> wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
> >
> > He obviously hasn't flown an RV-8/8A. While you can see this area from
the
> > cockpit it is at such a low angle that the color is completely
non-critical.
> > My plane is bright white there and it introduces no glare whatsoever...
> > http://www.rv-8.com/Pictures/RandyMark-OregonCoast01.jpg
> >
> > Randy Lervold
> > RV-8, 295 hrs
> > www.rv-8.com
> > Home Wing VAF
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| Subject: | Plexiglas and Pro-seal |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
Howdy list-
I will be bonding the rear bow of my tip up canopy to the bubble with
pro-seal, and also the front edge of the rear window to the rollbar with
the same glorious goop. If anyone has experience with using pro-seal to
bond to plexiglas, particularly with surface prep on the plastic, such
as scuffing the surface of the plastic, etc., please let me know! There
are a number of references in the archives that this is done on Pitts
canopies (canopys?) but I would appreciate any advice from anyone who
has done this. Also, is acetone the preferred weapon for cleaning the
plexi prior to bonding?
Thanks!
Mark - do not archive
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