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1. 12:28 AM - [ Rob Ray ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
2. 01:21 AM - Re: Diesel Power (Neil Henderson)
3. 01:57 AM - Re: Diesel Power (Neil Henderson)
4. 06:38 AM - Re: Diesel Power (Tedd McHenry)
5. 07:18 AM - plexi and proseal (Frazier, Vincent A)
6. 07:47 AM - AN Fittings (Rick Galati)
7. 07:47 AM - Plexiglas and Pro-seal (Stucklen, Frederic IFC)
8. 08:13 AM - Re: AN Fittings (Larry Hawkins)
9. 08:37 AM - Re: Painting Question (Dr. Leathers)
10. 08:39 AM - Fw: RV4-List: [ Rob Ray ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (C. Rabaut)
11. 09:23 AM - Re: AN Fittings (Scott Brumbelow)
12. 09:33 AM - TLC - Junkyard Wars - "Do the Wright Thing" (Bill VonDane)
13. 09:33 AM - Re: Painting Question (Randy Lervold)
14. 09:43 AM - Wright plaque?? (Knicholas2@aol.com)
15. 10:00 AM - Re: AN Fittings (Larry Hawkins)
16. 10:19 AM - Re: AN Fittings (Chris)
17. 10:48 AM - Re: AN Fittings (Don Mack)
18. 10:56 AM - Re: Wright plaque?? ()
19. 11:04 AM - Re: Wright plaque?? (Cy Galley)
20. 11:53 AM - Re: AN Fittings (Elsa & Henry)
21. 11:58 AM - Re: Plexiglas and Pro-seal (Mark Phillips)
22. 11:59 AM - Looking for Information (M. Orr)
23. 12:19 PM - Re: AN Fittings (van Bladeren, Ron)
24. 12:55 PM - Re: Plexiglas and Pro-seal (J. R. Dial)
25. 01:16 PM - Re: Looking for Information (Wiethe, Philip (P.J.))
26. 01:47 PM - Re: Diesel Power (Michael McGee)
27. 01:52 PM - Last call for alcoh............... (Dana Overall)
28. 03:34 PM - Re: AN Fittings (Brian Armstrong)
29. 06:30 PM - Re: Last call for alcoh............... (Jerry Springer)
30. 06:33 PM - Wire ID Tags (David Wentzell)
31. 06:33 PM - Re: AN Fittings (Vanremog@aol.com)
32. 07:31 PM - Re: TLC - Junkyard Wars - "Do the Wright Thing" (John Starn)
33. 07:44 PM - AN bulkhead fittings and tubing (Geoff Evans)
34. 07:51 PM - Re: Wright plaque?? (Bobby Hester)
35. 08:30 PM - Re: AN Fittings (kempthornes)
36. 08:33 PM - Re: plexi and proseal (kempthornes)
37. 09:27 PM - RV or Rocket????? (Dr. Leathers)
38. 10:38 PM - Product referral (Jim Jewell)
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| Subject: | [ Rob Ray ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
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A new Email List Photo Share is available:
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Subject: What RV's Were Built For...
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| Subject: | Re: Diesel Power |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
Jerry
The WAM engine runs on jet fuel available at most FBO's. In England it costs less
than 1/4 of the cost of AV Gas
a huge saving in running costs.
Neil
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| Subject: | Re: Diesel Power |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
Bill
The WAM120 costs approx 15,000 Dollars US plus tax's the 160 HP version is around
20,000. The firewall forward package is about the same as Vans
with regard to engine mount and cowl but the installation is considerably simpler
and will/should reflect a lower final cost. Apart from the single lever control
the engine comes with inbuilt oil cooler, and it's water cooled so no friging
about with air baffling. A data logging system is available to monitor engine
vitals, this is bussed to a cockpit display via a single RS232 connection.
Neil
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| Subject: | Re: Diesel Power |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> The WAM120 costs approx 15,000 Dollars US plus tax's the 160 HP version is around
20,000.
Their web site says 10,000/15,000 UK Pounds, which is US$16k/24k at current
exchange rates.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
-6 wings
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| Subject: | plexi and proseal |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Check out my site
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Everything%20else.htm scroll about
2/3 of the way down and you'll find my canopy section.
No surface prep is necessary assuming you'll have the usual rivets thru the plexi.
Wipe any oil off the plexi with rubbing alcohol. Mix the Proseal, put it
in a baggie, snip a small hole and squeeze a bead onto the canopy frame, cleco
the whole mess together and clean up the squeeze out with the alcohol.
The Proseal will greatly stiffen the frame and prevent squeaking and leaks.
Vince Frazier
1946 Stinson, NC97535, flying FOR SALE
F-1H Rocket, "Six Shooter", N540VF reserved,
canopy installation stage
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick07x@earthlink.net>
When installing AN fluid fittings, is there any hard and fast rule when you
would use steel fittings and when you would use aluminum fittings?
--- Rick Galati
--- rick07x@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Plexiglas and Pro-seal |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic IFC" <Fred.Stucklen@UTCFuelCells.com>
Mark,
I've used Pro-Seal (or PRC) on two different RV's with very good results.
In both cases I installed a minimum of #6 screws that basically only hold
the glass in place until the goop dries, and the interior if you have any
around the glass.. Just be sure to put a good bead of pro-seal on the glass,
such that , when it's compressed by the screws, there aren't any air pockets
(or later, water leaks)... Scuffing the glass or mating metal edges isn't
necessary.
I used lacquer thinner as the cleaning agent, but tried to minimize it's
contact to the glass, then rinsing the glass with alcohol afterwards. Always
use clean cotton rags on the glass to avoid scratches....
Fred Stucklen
RV-6A N926RV Reserved
Howdy list-
I will be bonding the rear bow of my tip up canopy to the
bubble with
pro-seal, and also the front edge of the rear window to the
rollbar with
the same glorious goop. If anyone has experience with using
pro-seal to
bond to plexiglas, particularly with surface prep on the
plastic, such
as scuffing the surface of the plastic, etc., please let me
know! There
are a number of references in the archives that this is done
on Pitts
canopies (canopys?) but I would appreciate any advice from
anyone who
has done this. Also, is acetone the preferred weapon for
cleaning the
plexi prior to bonding?
Thanks!
Mark - do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Hawkins <lhawkins@giant.com>
My EAA tech advisor A&PIA says no aluminum on fuel lines FWF. The fact is,
I've seen aluminum fittings on fuel lines FWF on "certified" airplanes. But
on his advice I used steel only on fuel lines FWF.
Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, flying
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Galati [mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net]
Subject: RV-List: AN Fittings
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick07x@earthlink.net>
When installing AN fluid fittings, is there any hard and fast rule when you
would use steel fittings and when you would use aluminum fittings?
--- Rick Galati
--- rick07x@earthlink.net
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RE: RV-List: AN Fittings
My EAA tech advisor APIA says no aluminum on fuel lines FWF. The fact is, I've
seen aluminum fittings on fuel lines FWF on certified airplanes. But on his advice
I used steel only on fuel lines FWF.
Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, flying
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Galati [<A HREF"mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net">mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net]
Subject: RV-List: AN Fittings
-- RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati rick07x@earthlink.net
When installing AN fluid fittings, is there any hard and fast rule when you
would use steel fittings and when you would use aluminum fittings?
--- Rick Galati
--- rick07x@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Randy,
Thanks for the great picture. Your 8 is really beautiful and the composition
of the photograph is great. Was the photographer in the other airplane a
professional? How did he take the picture? BTW, I printed the picture and
put it on the wall of my workshop for inspiration.
DOC
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Painting Question
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
>
> It's not. My numbers are gold and they seem to be difficult for cameras to
> capture against the bright red... usually blurs. The pic is completely
> untouched. BTW, that's the Oregon coast.
>
> Randy
>
> do not archive
>
> > Why is your n-number removed from that picture? Just curious...
> >
> > -LB
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > --- Randy Lervold <randy@rv-8.com> wrote:
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
> > >
> > > He obviously hasn't flown an RV-8/8A. While you can see this area from
> the
> > > cockpit it is at such a low angle that the color is completely
> non-critical.
> > > My plane is bright white there and it introduces no glare
whatsoever...
> > > http://www.rv-8.com/Pictures/RandyMark-OregonCoast01.jpg
> > >
> > > Randy Lervold
> > > RV-8, 295 hrs
> > > www.rv-8.com
> > > Home Wing VAF
>
>
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| Subject: | Fw: RV4-List: [ Rob Ray ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Rob,
Next time your in California, doing Fighter Escort duty, give me a call.
Me & my 4 are at your disposal.
Chuck
P.S. Once again, "GREAT Pictures"!!!
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----- Original Message -----
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
Subject: RV4-List: [ Rob Ray ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
> --> RV4-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares
<pictures@matronics.com>
>
>
> A new Email List Photo Share is available:
>
> Poster: Rob Ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Subject: What RV's Were Built For...
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Brumbelow <csbrumbelow@fedex.com>
I am assuming your Tech advisor would also recommend against aluminum fuel TUBING
firewall forward as well? Do you know/can you find out what his concerns are?
Like you I have seen aluminum tubing and AN fittings firewall forward - and aluminum
gascolators - so I am curious as to his concerns.
Scott in MEM
Larry Hawkins wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Hawkins <lhawkins@giant.com>
>
> My EAA tech advisor A&PIA says no aluminum on fuel lines FWF. The fact is,
> I've seen aluminum fittings on fuel lines FWF on "certified" airplanes. But
> on his advice I used steel only on fuel lines FWF.
> Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, flying
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Galati [mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net]
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: AN Fittings
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick07x@earthlink.net>
>
> When installing AN fluid fittings, is there any hard and fast rule when you
> would use steel fittings and when you would use aluminum fittings?
>
> --- Rick Galati
>
> --- rick07x@earthlink.net
>
> DISCLAIMER: The information contained in this e-mail message may be
> privileged, confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are not the
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> RE: RV-List: AN Fittings
>
> My EAA tech advisor APIA says no aluminum on fuel lines FWF. The fact is, I've
seen aluminum fittings on fuel lines FWF on certified airplanes. But on his
advice I used steel only on fuel lines FWF.
>
> Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, flying
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Rick Galati [<A HREF"mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net">mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net]
>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>
> Subject: RV-List: AN Fittings
>
> -- RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati rick07x@earthlink.net
>
> When installing AN fluid fittings, is there any hard and fast rule when you
>
> would use steel fittings and when you would use aluminum fittings?
>
> --- Rick Galati
>
> --- rick07x@earthlink.net
>
> DISCLAIMER: The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged,
confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient,
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>
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"vansairforce" <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
| Subject: | TLC - Junkyard Wars - "Do the Wright Thing" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Not too far off topic!
Here's the link at Discovery.com that I thought you all would be interested
in seeing.
http://tlc.discovery.com/fansites/junkyard/episode/comingsoon.html
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
Doc,
Thanks for compliment (he says blushing). The pic was shot by my buddy Bruce
from his C172 with a Nikon 995 with one hand while he was flying with the
other. He is a former professional photographer, plus we happened to get the
light just right.
Randy
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Painting Question
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
>
> Randy,
> Thanks for the great picture. Your 8 is really beautiful and the
composition
> of the photograph is great. Was the photographer in the other airplane a
> professional? How did he take the picture? BTW, I printed the picture and
> put it on the wall of my workshop for inspiration.
>
> DOC
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Painting Question
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
> >
> > It's not. My numbers are gold and they seem to be difficult for cameras
to
> > capture against the bright red... usually blurs. The pic is completely
> > untouched. BTW, that's the Oregon coast.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > > Why is your n-number removed from that picture? Just curious...
> > >
> > > -LB
> > >
> > > do not archive
> > >
> > > --- Randy Lervold <randy@rv-8.com> wrote:
> > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
> > > >
> > > > He obviously hasn't flown an RV-8/8A. While you can see this area
from
> > the
> > > > cockpit it is at such a low angle that the color is completely
> > non-critical.
> > > > My plane is bright white there and it introduces no glare
> whatsoever...
> > > > http://www.rv-8.com/Pictures/RandyMark-OregonCoast01.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Randy Lervold
> > > > RV-8, 295 hrs
> > > > www.rv-8.com
> > > > Home Wing VAF
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com
Someone told me that a plane taking its first flight this year was elegible
for a Wright Brother name plate for the plane. Anyone know any details??
Kim Nicholas
RV9A - flying in summer....
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Hawkins <lhawkins@giant.com>
His explanation was that the steel fittings are less likely to break due to
fatigue or stress. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but I take the advise
of those that know more than I do about a given subject. The steel fittings
are only slightly more money than the aluminum, so it was not a problem for
me.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Brumbelow [mailto:csbrumbelow@fedex.com]
Subject: Re: RV-List: AN Fittings
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Brumbelow <csbrumbelow@fedex.com>
I am assuming your Tech advisor would also recommend against aluminum fuel
TUBING firewall forward as well? Do you know/can you find out what his
concerns are?
Like you I have seen aluminum tubing and AN fittings firewall forward - and
aluminum gascolators - so I am curious as to his concerns.
Scott in MEM
Larry Hawkins wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Hawkins <lhawkins@giant.com>
>
> My EAA tech advisor A&PIA says no aluminum on fuel lines FWF. The fact is,
> I've seen aluminum fittings on fuel lines FWF on "certified" airplanes.
But
> on his advice I used steel only on fuel lines FWF.
> Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, flying
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Galati [mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net]
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: AN Fittings
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick07x@earthlink.net>
>
> When installing AN fluid fittings, is there any hard and fast rule when
you
> would use steel fittings and when you would use aluminum fittings?
>
> --- Rick Galati
>
> --- rick07x@earthlink.net
>
> DISCLAIMER: The information contained in this e-mail message may be
> privileged, confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are not the
> intended recipient, any further disclosure, use, dissemination,
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you
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> defect that might affect any computer system into which they are received
> and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they
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> or its affiliates for any loss or damage arising in any way from their
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> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">
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> RE: RV-List: AN Fittings
>
> My EAA tech advisor APIA says no aluminum on fuel lines FWF. The fact is,
I've seen aluminum fittings on fuel lines FWF on certified airplanes. But on
his advice I used steel only on fuel lines FWF.
>
> Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, flying
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Rick Galati [<A
HREF"mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net">mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net]
>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>
> Subject: RV-List: AN Fittings
>
> -- RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati rick07x@earthlink.net
>
> When installing AN fluid fittings, is there any hard and fast rule when
you
>
> would use steel fittings and when you would use aluminum fittings?
>
> --- Rick Galati
>
> --- rick07x@earthlink.net
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RE: RV-List: AN Fittings
His explanation was that the steel fittings are less likely to break due to fatigue
or stress. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but I take the advise of those
that know more than I do about a given subject. The steel fittings are only
slightly more money than the aluminum, so it was not a problem for me.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Brumbelow [<A HREF"mailto:csbrumbelow@fedex.com">mailto:csbrumbelow@fedex.com]
Subject: Re: RV-List: AN Fittings
-- RV-List message posted by: Scott Brumbelow csbrumbelow@fedex.com
I am assuming your Tech advisor would also recommend against aluminum fuel TUBING
firewall forward as well? Do you know/can you find out what his concerns are?
Like you I have seen aluminum tubing and AN fittings firewall forward - and aluminum
gascolators - so I am curious as to his concerns.
Scott in MEM
Larry Hawkins wrote:
-- RV-List message posted by: Larry Hawkins lhawkins@giant.com
My EAA tech advisor APIA says no aluminum on fuel lines FWF. The fact is,
I've seen aluminum fittings on fuel lines FWF on certified airplanes. But
on his advice I used steel only on fuel lines FWF.
Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, flying
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Galati [<A HREF"mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net">mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net]
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: AN Fittings
-- RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati rick07x@earthlink.net
When installing AN fluid fittings, is there any hard and fast rule when you
would use steel fittings and when you would use aluminum fittings?
--- Rick Galati
--- rick07x@earthlink.net
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RE: RV-List: AN Fittings
My EAA tech advisor APIA says no aluminum on fuel lines FWF. The fact is, I've
seen aluminum fittings on fuel lines FWF on certified airplanes. But on his advice
I used steel only on fuel lines FWF.
Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, flying
-----Original Message-----
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HREF"mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net">mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net]
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Subject: RV-List: AN Fittings
-- RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati rick07x@earthlink.net
When installing AN fluid fittings, is there any hard and fast rule when you
would use steel fittings and when you would use aluminum fittings?
--- Rick Galati
--- rick07x@earthlink.net
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--> RV-List message posted by: Chris <chrisw3@cox.net>
I don't really know what I am talking about her but I wonder if there might not
be a problem using steel fittings on aluminum tube in an area where the temperature
can change a lot. I am pretty sure but I think the rate of thermal expansion
of steel and aluminum is different enough to cause problems. Just a guess
though.
Larry Hawkins wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Hawkins <lhawkins@giant.com>
>
> His explanation was that the steel fittings are less likely to break due to
> fatigue or stress. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but I take the advise
> of those that know more than I do about a given subject. The steel fittings
> are only slightly more money than the aluminum, so it was not a problem for
> me.
>
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206 (home)
chrisw@programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Mack" <don@dmack.net>
The aluminum fittings will crack easier than steel. There is an AD for
Ercoupes to replace aluminum fittings that attach to the gascolator after
several were found with cracks in the aluminum nut.
Like Larry said, the steel ones don't cost that much more than aluminum.
Don Mack
RV-6A finishing
www.dmack.net don@dmack.net
do not archive
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris <chrisw3@cox.net>
I don't really know what I am talking about her but I wonder if there might
not be a problem using steel fittings on aluminum tube in an area where the
temperature can change a lot. I am pretty sure but I think the rate of
thermal expansion of steel and aluminum is different enough to cause
problems. Just a guess though.
Larry Hawkins wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Hawkins <lhawkins@giant.com>
>
> His explanation was that the steel fittings are less likely to break due
to
> fatigue or stress. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but I take the
advise
> of those that know more than I do about a given subject. The steel
fittings
> are only slightly more money than the aluminum, so it was not a problem
for
> me.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wright plaque?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: <racker@rmci.net>
Don't know about a Wright Brothers nameplate, but here's the link to the
EAA Centennial Program in a similar vein:
http://www.eaa.org/homebuilders/centennial.asp
> --> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com
>
> Someone told me that a plane taking its first flight this year was
> elegible for a Wright Brother name plate for the plane. Anyone know
> any details??
>
> Kim Nicholas
> RV9A - flying in summer....
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Wright plaque?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Go to http://www.eaa.org/homebuilders/centennial.asp
All the details of a program set in motion by EAA Chapter 75's Dave Wilson
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: <Knicholas2@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Wright plaque??
> --> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com
>
> Someone told me that a plane taking its first flight this year was
elegible
> for a Wright Brother name plate for the plane. Anyone know any details??
>
> Kim Nicholas
> RV9A - flying in summer....
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
An interesting item came out in the First Issue, 1999, of the RVator, pg 11.
I'll reproduce it here:
"HOSE FITTINGS: The sample firewall forward drawing shown in the fifth
issue of '98 has one correction/change. The call-out for the carb
fitting was for a steel fitting AN822-6. This fitting is slightly
larger than an aluminum fitting and does not provide enough threads in the
carb. We checked with Lycoming and they do not have a
problem with an aluminum AN822-6D or an AN816-6D fitting being used in
this application."
Well, I had a steel one but not yet installed. I tried it on my carb and
sure enough Van's statement was correct. I sent it back and got an aluminum
one instead and is now flying.
Cheers!!-----Henry Hore
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| Subject: | Re: Plexiglas and Pro-seal |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
Hi Fred, appreciate the reply!
What part of the canopy on what model RV did you use the stuff on, and have you
detected any
separation of the plexi or metal from the proseal? How long has it been since
applied?
Thanks again!
Mark
"Stucklen, Frederic IFC" wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic IFC" <Fred.Stucklen@UTCFuelCells.com>
>
> Mark,
>
> I've used Pro-Seal (or PRC) on two different RV's with very good results.
> In both cases I installed a minimum of #6 screws that basically only hold
> the glass in place until the goop dries, and the interior if you have any
> around the glass.. Just be sure to put a good bead of pro-seal on the glass,
> such that , when it's compressed by the screws, there aren't any air pockets
> (or later, water leaks)... Scuffing the glass or mating metal edges isn't
> necessary.
> I used lacquer thinner as the cleaning agent, but tried to minimize it's
> contact to the glass, then rinsing the glass with alcohol afterwards. Always
> use clean cotton rags on the glass to avoid scratches....
>
> Fred Stucklen
> RV-6A N926RV Reserved
>
> Howdy list-
>
> I will be bonding the rear bow of my tip up canopy to the
> bubble with
> pro-seal, and also the front edge of the rear window to the
> rollbar with
> the same glorious goop. If anyone has experience with using
> pro-seal to
> bond to plexiglas, particularly with surface prep on the
> plastic, such
> as scuffing the surface of the plastic, etc., please let me
> know! There
> are a number of references in the archives that this is done
> on Pitts
> canopies (canopys?) but I would appreciate any advice from
> anyone who
> has done this. Also, is acetone the preferred weapon for
> cleaning the
> plexi prior to bonding?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mark - do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Looking for Information |
--> RV-List message posted by: "M. Orr" <morr@vt.edu>
Hello,
I've spent the last few hours looking for any information about
the working/durability differences between the Sherman Williams 988
spray can primer and the Marhyde primer. I intend to use one of the two
due to working constraints. I've seen and sprayed the 988 and intend to
use it unless Marhyde has a distinct advantage, which I'm unaware of.
I can find no direct comparison between the two in the RV-List
Archives. Perhaps I just don't know how to search them effectively. A
large percentage of what I can find, in the archives, are complaints
about people asking this type of a question. Please feel free to
respond directly if you have any references or sources of technical
information.
Thanks,
Matt
RV-7 (Just Beginning-Obviously)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "van Bladeren, Ron" <rwv@nwnatural.com>
Yes, that is exactly the reason. Rutan had all of us Long-EZ builders
change all of the Aluminum AN fittings to steel that were mounted ON THE
ENGINE or attached to a flexible hose when a builder had one crack and leak
fuel while in flight! I seem to recall however, that the oil cooler
fittings where not changed since they were much more massive and considered
not prone to cracking.
Ron.
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Hawkins [mailto:lhawkins@giant.com]
Subject: RE: RV-List: AN Fittings
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Hawkins <lhawkins@giant.com>
His explanation was that the steel fittings are less likely to break due to
fatigue or stress. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but I take the advise
of those that know more than I do about a given subject. The steel fittings
are only slightly more money than the aluminum, so it was not a problem for
me.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Brumbelow [mailto:csbrumbelow@fedex.com]
Subject: Re: RV-List: AN Fittings
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Brumbelow <csbrumbelow@fedex.com>
I am assuming your Tech advisor would also recommend against aluminum fuel
TUBING firewall forward as well? Do you know/can you find out what his
concerns are?
Like you I have seen aluminum tubing and AN fittings firewall forward - and
aluminum gascolators - so I am curious as to his concerns.
Scott in MEM
Larry Hawkins wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Hawkins <lhawkins@giant.com>
>
> My EAA tech advisor A&PIA says no aluminum on fuel lines FWF. The fact is,
> I've seen aluminum fittings on fuel lines FWF on "certified" airplanes.
But
> on his advice I used steel only on fuel lines FWF.
> Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, flying
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Galati [mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net]
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: AN Fittings
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick07x@earthlink.net>
>
> When installing AN fluid fittings, is there any hard and fast rule when
you
> would use steel fittings and when you would use aluminum fittings?
>
> --- Rick Galati
>
> --- rick07x@earthlink.net
>
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> RE: RV-List: AN Fittings
>
> My EAA tech advisor APIA says no aluminum on fuel lines FWF. The fact is,
I've seen aluminum fittings on fuel lines FWF on certified airplanes. But on
his advice I used steel only on fuel lines FWF.
>
> Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, flying
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Rick Galati [<A
HREF"mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net">mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net]
>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>
> Subject: RV-List: AN Fittings
>
> -- RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati rick07x@earthlink.net
>
> When installing AN fluid fittings, is there any hard and fast rule when
you
>
> would use steel fittings and when you would use aluminum fittings?
>
> --- Rick Galati
>
> --- rick07x@earthlink.net
>
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RE: RV-List: AN Fittings
His explanation was that the steel fittings are less likely to break due to
fatigue or stress. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but I take the advise
of those that know more than I do about a given subject. The steel fittings
are only slightly more money than the aluminum, so it was not a problem for
me.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Brumbelow [<A
HREF"mailto:csbrumbelow@fedex.com">mailto:csbrumbelow@fedex.com]
Subject: Re: RV-List: AN Fittings
-- RV-List message posted by: Scott Brumbelow csbrumbelow@fedex.com
I am assuming your Tech advisor would also recommend against aluminum fuel
TUBING firewall forward as well? Do you know/can you find out what his
concerns are?
Like you I have seen aluminum tubing and AN fittings firewall forward - and
aluminum gascolators - so I am curious as to his concerns.
Scott in MEM
Larry Hawkins wrote:
-- RV-List message posted by: Larry Hawkins lhawkins@giant.com
My EAA tech advisor APIA says no aluminum on fuel lines FWF. The fact is,
I've seen aluminum fittings on fuel lines FWF on certified airplanes. But
on his advice I used steel only on fuel lines FWF.
Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, flying
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Galati [<A
HREF"mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net">mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net]
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: AN Fittings
-- RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati rick07x@earthlink.net
When installing AN fluid fittings, is there any hard and fast rule when you
would use steel fittings and when you would use aluminum fittings?
--- Rick Galati
--- rick07x@earthlink.net
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RE: RV-List: AN Fittings
My EAA tech advisor APIA says no aluminum on fuel lines FWF. The fact is,
I've seen aluminum fittings on fuel lines FWF on certified airplanes. But on
his advice I used steel only on fuel lines FWF.
Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, flying
-----Original Message-----
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HREF"mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net">mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net<A
HREF"mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net">mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net]
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: AN Fittings
-- RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati rick07x@earthlink.net
When installing AN fluid fittings, is there any hard and fast rule when you
would use steel fittings and when you would use aluminum fittings?
--- Rick Galati
--- rick07x@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Plexiglas and Pro-seal |
--> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
Whatever you do don't get acetone, lacquer thinner etc near your
Plexiglas. Alcohol is ok as is mineral sprits but mineral sprits leaves
an oily residue. I cleaned mine with mineral sprits and then Joy dish
soap and water which worked well.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Phillips
Subject: Re: RV-List: Plexiglas and Pro-seal
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
Hi Fred, appreciate the reply!
What part of the canopy on what model RV did you use the stuff on, and
have you detected any
separation of the plexi or metal from the proseal? How long has it been
since applied?
Thanks again!
Mark
"Stucklen, Frederic IFC" wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic IFC"
<Fred.Stucklen@UTCFuelCells.com>
>
> Mark,
>
> I've used Pro-Seal (or PRC) on two different RV's with very good
results.
> In both cases I installed a minimum of #6 screws that basically only
hold
> the glass in place until the goop dries, and the interior if you have
any
> around the glass.. Just be sure to put a good bead of pro-seal on the
glass,
> such that , when it's compressed by the screws, there aren't any air
pockets
> (or later, water leaks)... Scuffing the glass or mating metal edges
isn't
> necessary.
> I used lacquer thinner as the cleaning agent, but tried to minimize
it's
> contact to the glass, then rinsing the glass with alcohol afterwards.
Always
> use clean cotton rags on the glass to avoid scratches....
>
> Fred Stucklen
> RV-6A N926RV Reserved
>
> Howdy list-
>
> I will be bonding the rear bow of my tip up canopy to
the
> bubble with
> pro-seal, and also the front edge of the rear window
to the
> rollbar with
> the same glorious goop. If anyone has experience with
using
> pro-seal to
> bond to plexiglas, particularly with surface prep on
the
> plastic, such
> as scuffing the surface of the plastic, etc., please
let me
> know! There
> are a number of references in the archives that this
is done
> on Pitts
> canopies (canopys?) but I would appreciate any advice
from
> anyone who
> has done this. Also, is acetone the preferred weapon
for
> cleaning the
> plexi prior to bonding?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mark - do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for Information |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe@ford.com>
Subject: Looking for Information
From: M. Orr (morr@vt.edu)
--> RV-List message posted by: "M. Orr" <morr@vt.edu>
Hello,
I've spent the last few hours looking for any information about
the working/durability differences between the Sherman Williams 988
spray can primer and the Marhyde primer. I intend to use one of the two
due to working constraints. I've seen and sprayed the 988 and intend to
use it unless Marhyde has a distinct advantage, which I'm unaware of.
I can find no direct comparison between the two in the RV-List
Archives. Perhaps I just don't know how to search them effectively. A
large percentage of what I can find, in the archives, are complaints
about people asking this type of a question. Please feel free to
respond directly if you have any references or sources of technical
information.
Thanks,
Matt
RV-7 (Just Beginning-Obviously)
Matt,
There is a lot of information on primers in the archives. I'm not intending to
start another primer war, however, I have seen some mis-application of the self-etching
primers such as Sherman Williams 988, Mar-Hyde, SEM, etc. If your
intention is to use one of these types of primers on the interior of the aircraft
to protect against corrosion, this primer is not self-sealing. It is meant
to be sealed with a primer sealer or topcoated with paint to provide a vapor/moisture
barrier to the metal. For a primer that does seal and can be left as
the "top coat", the best choice would be one of the 2 part epoxy primers, however
they are definitely are more labor intensive.
Phil
8A wings
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| Subject: | Re: Diesel Power |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
At 09:55 2003-02-13 +0000, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
>
>Bill
>
>The WAM120 costs approx 15,000 Dollars US plus tax's the 160 HP version is
>around 20,000. The firewall forward package is about the same as Vans
>with regard to engine mount and cowl but the installation is considerably
>simpler and will/should reflect a lower final cost. Apart from the single
>lever control the engine comes with inbuilt oil cooler, and it's water
>cooled so no friging about with air baffling. A data logging system is
>available to monitor engine vitals, this is bussed to a cockpit display
>via a single RS232 connection.
>
>Neil
Don't kid yourself. As many of the engine experimenters have discovered
installing water cooled engines, the baffling around the radiator(s) is
just as critical as baffling around an air cooled engine. There likely
will be more fiberglass work inside the cowling to do in order to direct
the cooling air to the radiator and out. Not a bad thing, just
required. Cooling air going around a radiator is only good for one thing
-- drag.
Mike
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR
13B in gestation mode
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| Subject: | Last call for alcoh............... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Last reminder of the get airplane get together I am having at my
house/shop/office this Sat. Mapquest will get you two houses away but close
enough for RV, you will find us. Hooters wings on the menu. The alcohol
present in my shop (I only have Acetone) will not be used for cleaning
canopies.......trust me on that:-)
Anybodies welcome, and remember.....if Springer shows up it's lobster for
the house!!
Dana Overall
1036 Countryside Drive
Richmond, KY
859 369-3156 cell 859 625-2844
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Brian Armstrong <armstrbc@ucsub.colorado.edu>
Definitely use steel fittings on the hot side of the firewall. Aluminum
makes a very poor fire shield.
Brian Armstrong
Englewood, CO
--
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Larry Hawkins wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Hawkins <lhawkins@giant.com>
>
> My EAA tech advisor A&PIA says no aluminum on fuel lines FWF. The fact is,
> I've seen aluminum fittings on fuel lines FWF on "certified" airplanes. But
> on his advice I used steel only on fuel lines FWF.
> Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, flying
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Galati [mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net]
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: AN Fittings
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick07x@earthlink.net>
>
>
> When installing AN fluid fittings, is there any hard and fast rule when you
> would use steel fittings and when you would use aluminum fittings?
>
>
> --- Rick Galati
>
> --- rick07x@earthlink.net
>
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> RE: RV-List: AN Fittings
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>
> My EAA tech advisor APIA says no aluminum on fuel lines FWF. The fact is, I've
seen aluminum fittings on fuel lines FWF on certified airplanes. But on his
advice I used steel only on fuel lines FWF.
>
>
> Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, flying
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Rick Galati [<A HREF"mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net">mailto:rick07x@earthlink.net]
>
>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>
> Subject: RV-List: AN Fittings
>
>
> -- RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati rick07x@earthlink.net
>
>
> When installing AN fluid fittings, is there any hard and fast rule when you
>
> would use steel fittings and when you would use aluminum fittings?
>
>
> --- Rick Galati
>
>
> --- rick07x@earthlink.net
>
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| Subject: | Re: Last call for alcoh............... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Dana Overall wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> Last reminder of the get airplane get together I am having at my
> house/shop/office this Sat. Mapquest will get you two houses away but close
> enough for RV, you will find us. Hooters wings on the menu. The alcohol
> present in my shop (I only have Acetone) will not be used for cleaning
> canopies.......trust me on that:-)
>
> Anybodies welcome, and remember.....if Springer shows up it's lobster for
> the house!!
>
>
> Dana Overall
> 1036 Countryside Drive
> Richmond, KY
> 859 369-3156 cell 859 625-2844
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
>
It certainly does sound like a good time well be had by all. I would
really like to make it but is looks like about 2300-2400 miles one way
and my tired old RV-6 would have a hard time doing a trip close to
5000 miles in a weekend.:-) I would like to get back there and
straighten some of you on the other side of the country, especially Jim
Sears, he flies an airplane with that funny thing hanging out under the
bottom of the cowling. :-)
Everyone fly safe and have a good time.
Jerry(to far away in Oregon)Springer
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: David Wentzell <wntzl@execpc.com>
Greetings,
A couple of weeks ago I made up these ID tags to organize and ID
every wire. (small, screen printed black on yellow, permanant pressure
sensitive vinyl, no's 1 - 40) Of course, as I am working on my panel I
see that I have more than 40 wires. So, I made up more tags, no's 41 -
80. Again, I made up extra. Anyone who might want to use these - same
price (free) - send a SASE (standard size is fine) and I'll send you
a set. Let me know if you need 41 - 80, or if you missed the first offer
and would like 1 - 80.
David Wentzell
220 White Sand Lane
Racine, WI 53402
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--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 2/13/2003 7:48:47 AM Pacific Standard Time,
rick07x@earthlink.net writes:
> When installing AN fluid fittings, is there any hard and fast rule when you
> would use steel fittings and when you would use aluminum fittings?
If you're looking for hard and fast dogma you are on the wrong list ;
)
We can even agree on what day of the week it is.
If you want just another opinion, my personal policy is that if the fitting
is on the engine, is -6 or smaller and is supporting a cantilevered load
greater than just the weight of an attached hose, then it should always be
steel or corrosion resistant (stainless) steel. Senders should not be
directly mounted on the engine.
-GV (RV-6A N1GV 590hrs)
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| Subject: | Re: TLC - Junkyard Wars - "Do the Wright Thing" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
EAA Chapter #768, Apple Valley Calif., has a heads up on this one. Ron
Caraway of #768 was Tech. on this project and they were right "It can't be
done" and the real story is the proof. It's a great "TV story" and all of us
at APV will be watching. How long does it take to just dope cotton fabric to
flyable condition ? "Say it aint so Joe". Do not archive Ron is also the
same Ron Caraway that has all kinds of articles in Custom Planes etc.
KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
<vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: TLC - Junkyard Wars - "Do the Wright Thing"
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Not too far off topic!
>
> Here's the link at Discovery.com that I thought you all would be
interested
> in seeing.
>
> http://tlc.discovery.com/fansites/junkyard/episode/comingsoon.html
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | AN bulkhead fittings and tubing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Geoff Evans <hellothaimassage@yahoo.com>
For those of you who have reached this stage already... Do you have a
preference between a straight fitting or a 90 degree elbow fitting where the
pitot line exits the wing? I've seen it done both ways on various websites, but
I'm wondering if one way will be easier/better than the other when I continue
the plumbing from the wing into the fuselage.
I'm using all aluminum tubing for the pilot line in the wing. For others who
did this, at what point did you switch from aluminum to plastic? Just inside
the fuselage, or somewhere farther down the line?
Also, what is the best type of washer to use on the bulkhead fittings? I've
seen pictures of both metal (I assume stainless steel) and plastic washers.
Thanks.
-Geoff
RV-8 QB
Wings
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| Subject: | Re: Wright plaque?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
Knicholas2@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com
>
>Someone told me that a plane taking its first flight this year was elegible
>for a Wright Brother name plate for the plane. Anyone know any details??
>
>Kim Nicholas
>RV9A - flying in summer....
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
Here are the details:
http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/030204_goff.html
--
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Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-)
Rans S12xl For Sale: http://members.hopkinsville.net/bhester/FS.htm
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--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 09:12 AM 2/13/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Hawkins <lhawkins@giant.com>
>
>My EAA tech advisor A&PIA says no aluminum on fuel lines FWF. The fact is,
>I've seen aluminum fittings on fuel lines FWF on "certified" airplanes.
My Beech Debonair has aluminum fuel lines & fittings FWF and they have been
there for 38 years and 4900 hours apparently without a problem. Your tech
advisor might be well advised to recommend what works rather than plowing
new ground.
IMHO
Now if you had a situation where you might be concerned about tiles coming
off on re-entry.....
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: plexi and proseal |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 09:15 AM 2/13/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
>
>Check out my site
>
>http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Everything%20else.htm scroll
>about 2/3 of the way down and you'll find my canopy section.
Chemistry and all, what do you think of the builder who is using acetone on
his plexi?? Isn't acetone ethyl ethyl ketone? I figure they called it
acetone to keep people from calling it 'EEK'.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | RV or Rocket????? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Help!!!!
OK guys, I think I have decided on tandem over side by side. The RV7 is sweet,
but I know that I'll be alone 90% of the time, just like now, in my spam can.
Given that, the RV8 is the logical choice because of the advanced kit (over the
RV4) and the fact that I'm 6'3" and 250 lbs.
Now, I would like to ask all RV8/8A builders, past and present, why did you choose
the RV over a Harmon Rocket or an F1 Rocket?
Also, if there are any Rocket builders lurking out there, what made you decide
to go with your rocket over the RV8/8A?
I'm not looking to start a war, I really just want to hear a well thought out debate
from those who know more than I do, (read "anyone who has begun the process
of doing what I'm about to do").
TIA
DOC
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| Subject: | Product referral |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
I have just received my RV6-A landing gear intersection fairings from Bob Snedaker
at http://www.fairings-etc.com/form1.html
The parts are very high quality, the fit is great!!
Bob is a great guy to do business with. The parts he makes and sells are worth
every penny!
Jim in Kelowna
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