---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/18/03: 39 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:46 AM - SL40 comm (Jim Nolan) 2. 05:44 AM - Re: Lajitas, TX (C. Rabaut) 3. 06:46 AM - Re: plexi (Bill Dube) 4. 06:58 AM - Rocket vs RV-8 (Frazier, Vincent A) 5. 07:29 AM - Re: Lajitas, TX (John Huft) 6. 07:38 AM - Re: My first oops (DAVID REEL) 7. 08:20 AM - 2000 RV6 for sale (Michael Brown) 8. 08:25 AM - More flight reports (Van Artsdalen, Scott) 9. 08:26 AM - Re: plexi (Elsa & Henry) 10. 08:47 AM - Re: Air box air seal photo (Randall Henderson) 11. 08:54 AM - Re: Grommets for firewall shields (Randall Henderson) 12. 08:57 AM - Re: 2000 RV6 for sale (Larry Hawkins) 13. 09:02 AM - Re: My first oops (HCRV6@aol.com) 14. 09:38 AM - Looking for picture of brake reservoir on pedals (Ken Brooks) 15. 09:46 AM - Re: Plenums (Richard Dudley) 16. 09:51 AM - Lajitas, TX (Ken Brooks) 17. 10:00 AM - Re: Plenums (Bruce Gray) 18. 10:03 AM - (George McNutt) 19. 10:44 AM - Re: My first oops (Rick Galati) 20. 11:59 AM - Wanted: Wooden Prop (RV_8 Pilot) 21. 12:13 PM - Aileron squeeze (N13eer@aol.com) 22. 12:48 PM - Re: Aileron squeeze (Van Artsdalen, Scott) 23. 01:10 PM - Re: Aileron squeeze (mstewart@qa.butler.com) 24. 01:17 PM - CHT Instrumentation (John H. Wiegenstein) 25. 02:37 PM - Re: Aileron squeeze (Tracy Crook) 26. 03:19 PM - Re: CHT Instrumentation (Kyle Boatright) 27. 03:19 PM - Re : CHT Instrumentation (Martin Hone) 28. 03:39 PM - missaligned holes (Bert Forero) 29. 04:29 PM - Re: Aileron squeeze (John Starn) 30. 05:12 PM - Re: Aileron squeeze (Elsa & Henry) 31. 05:54 PM - Primer notes (Rick Galati) 32. 06:17 PM - Re: RV-8 Adjustable rudder pedal problem was Looking (Charlie Kuss) 33. 06:33 PM - My first oops (David Taylor) 34. 06:40 PM - Re: Primer notes (Bill Marvel) 35. 06:46 PM - Re: Plenums (Ed Perry) 36. 07:19 PM - Re: RV-8 Adjustable rudder pedal problem was Looking for picture of brake reservoir on pedals (Gert) 37. 07:52 PM - wingtip tanks (jay pearlman) 38. 08:17 PM - Re: Grommets for firewall shields (Vanremog@aol.com) 39. 08:54 PM - Re: Aileron squeeze (Vanremog@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:13 AM PST US From: "Jim Nolan" Subject: RV-List: SL40 comm --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Nolan" Listers, Has anyone hooked up a SL40 comm to a 2001 nms GPS. I need to know the pinout for the function that brings the comm frequencies from the GPS data base into the SL40. Thanks Jim N444JN ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:28 AM PST US From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: Re: RV-List: Lajitas, TX --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" Larry, You do a lot of things... some you do well, but you sure are great at making people crazy. This pictorial is obviously aimed at our poor snow bound colleagues (direct hit). do not archive (not my comments, but definitely archive Larry's 3-Day) ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Pardue Subject: RV-List: Lajitas, TX > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" > > Listers: > > Snapshots of my little weekend trip to Lajitas are at > > http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/Lajitas.htm > > For those of you in the snow, the temp was around 75 degrees. It was 79 > today in Carlsbad. > > Do not archive > > Larry Pardue > Carlsbad, NM > > RV-6 N441LP Flying > http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:01 AM PST US From: Bill Dube Subject: Re: RV-List: plexi --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube > >I believe you can finish the edges by heating the entire piece evenly. My >understanding is that it is the uneven heating that does the damage. Heat >is used to form the plexi anyway. That is correct. The whole piece must be warm and toasty so that you don't induce thermal stresses. If you warm it too much, however, it will distort or sag, so it is a tricky business. As I said earlier, sanding and polishing is the more conservative approach because you can't mess up. This makes it the "smarter" way to go on an expensive piece like a canopy. Often, "flaming" is done incorrectly and can cause hidden damage. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:36 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Rocket vs RV-8 From: "Frazier, Vincent A" --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" SNIP Also, if there are any Rocket builders lurking out there, what made you > decide to go with your rocket over the RV8/8A? Snip I built an RV-4 and it was awesome, but the cockpit is a bit small. I fly an RV-8A and it is awesome. The RV-8A is nice but I just don't like that bouncy, short coupled, tri-gear. The RV-8 gear towers make the cockpit small, the control stick is too small and too far forward, and it isn't as pretty as the RV-4. Then I got to fly a Rocket. It's faster, roomier, sexier, doesn't wag it's tail in turbulence, and feels more solid in chop. The Rocket has it all right! Vince Frazier 1946 Stinson, NC97535, flying FOR SALE F-1H Rocket, "Six Shooter", N540VF reserved, canopy installation stage http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:57 AM PST US From: "John Huft" Subject: RE: RV-List: Lajitas, TX --> RV-List message posted by: "John Huft" Thanks, Larry If you read Larry's text, you might start to get some hints about the place. We used to go down for New Year's every year with the Cessna 180/185 club. It was a great little hole-in-the wall tourist trap. Built as an old-west town replica, with boardwalks, saloon, etc. There was a gravel airstrip within walking distance of town (the new jetport is 4 miles away). Rooms were $60, lunch was priced normally, etc. We would always walk down to the river (Rio Grande), and pay a boatman to row us across to go to lunch in a little cafe, no sign of border guards etc. $1 roundtrip, pay on return so he doesn't leave. Usually 25 to 30 airplanes would show for New Years, we hired a band, and it grew into a big local event. The new owner says he is going to turn it into "the Palm Springs of Texas". I am told this year 4 skywagons showed up for New Years, we skipped it because of the changes. A few miles north is Terlingua Ranch. They have an airstrip and guest cabins, and are very friendly and cheap. There are restaurants etc. Yes, this is the home of the famous Terlingua chili cook-off which happens in the fall. This is the Big Bend area of Texas, lots of touring, river rafting, hiking etc. It is real warm there in the summer. John Huft RV8, Pagosa Springs, CO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of C. Rabaut Subject: Re: RV-List: Lajitas, TX --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" Larry, You do a lot of things... some you do well, but you sure are great at making people crazy. This pictorial is obviously aimed at our poor snow bound colleagues (direct hit). do not archive (not my comments, but definitely archive Larry's 3-Day) ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Pardue Subject: RV-List: Lajitas, TX > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" > > Listers: > > Snapshots of my little weekend trip to Lajitas are at > > http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/Lajitas.htm > > For those of you in the snow, the temp was around 75 degrees. It was 79 > today in Carlsbad. > > Do not archive > > Larry Pardue > Carlsbad, NM > > RV-6 N441LP Flying > http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:51 AM PST US From: "DAVID REEL" Subject: Re: RV-List: My first oops --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" Congratulations David! You've started down the right path by redoing the spar. That's not dumb at all. What you're feeling is a big part of the educational experience of homebuilding. I too thought I was 'better than that' until I started making mistakes and learning things about myself from them. Stay curious about your mistakes & welcome to the intense self knowledge laboratory that is homebuilding. Dave Reel RV8A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:29 AM PST US From: "Michael Brown" Subject: RV-List: 2000 RV6 for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Michael Brown" I'm selling my 2000 RV6. As hard as I try, I can't seem to get my entire family (5 of us) into the `6 all at once. N417G is a beautiful plane built by Randy Pflanzer from Indianapolis. Randy is a regular on this list. It has a 160HP O320, fixed pitch prop, full IFR gyros, HSI, GNS430 GPS/NAV/COM, electric trim, electric flaps. $75,500 Please take a look at http://home.insightbb.com/~mbrown99/ for all of the pictures and details. My contact information is on the website as well. Be sure to look at the spec sheet as it has a more complete listing of the equipment. Thanks, Michael ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:09 AM PST US From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" Subject: RV-List: More flight reports --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" Well I've taken a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th flight in my RV-4. I'm still having a ball! I finally got the heavy right wing ...mostly... fixed. I have a little more squeezing to do it looks like. Now I need to add a trim tab (chunk o' wood) to the rudder. I'm noticing another problem though. Well, an annoyance anyway. When I am in straight and level flight I notice that my airlerons are still deflected by about =BE inch. Is this correctable? Any suggestions? Some more numbers: CHT: 190 C Oil: 95 C IAS: 140 KTS @ 23" MP ROC: 2200 FPM @ 110 MPH Catto prop O320-D2A (160hp) No gear leg or wheel fairings yet -- Scott VanArtsdalen Network Manager Union Safe Deposit Bank 209-946-5116 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:28 AM PST US From: "Elsa & Henry" Subject: Re: RV-List: plexi --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" I used a machinist's Babbitt bearing scraper to polish the cut edges. This scraper is made of clock- spring steel, about 3" wide and is ground straight-on to a belt sander so that the "business edge" has burr that does the scraping. It does a wonderful job as you pull it along a plexi edge, shaving it to the point that the edge becomes transparent. Try it, you'll like it! Cheers!!----Henry Hore ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:58 AM PST US From: "Randall Henderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Air box air seal photo --> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" > Can anyone refer me to a photo or two of the air seal installation > on the air box for a RV-6? try http://www.edt.com/homewing/rhproject/fwallfwd.html#airbox > Finally, in actual use, how do you guys that are passed this get the > air seal around the air scoop extension when you put the lower > cowling on? After I get the cowl on the seal is usually smushed back by the scoop -- you just use your finger to work it into place. Its flexible enough to do so without much trouble. Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~450 hrs) Portland, OR www.vanshomewing.org ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:22 AM PST US From: "Randall Henderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Grommets for firewall shields --> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" > The trick to making anything made of rubber (either natural, nitrile > or other) last forever is to coat it liberally (I know this will be > difficult for you right-wingers but do it anyway ; ) when new with > DC4 or DC111 Do you still use RTV to seal them up? Seems like it wouldn't stick. I know its ugly but I've always throught it's important, so as to minimize how much exhaust gasses can get into the cockpit. Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~450 hrs) Portland, OR www.vanshomewing.org ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:42 AM PST US From: Larry Hawkins Subject: RE: RV-List: 2000 RV6 for sale --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Hawkins Don't sell one, buy two more! :-) Please Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Michael Brown [mailto:michael.brown@pepperweed.com] Subject: RV-List: 2000 RV6 for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Michael Brown" I'm selling my 2000 RV6. As hard as I try, I can't seem to get my entire family (5 of us) into the `6 all at once. N417G is a beautiful plane built by Randy Pflanzer from Indianapolis. Randy is a regular on this list. It has a 160HP O320, fixed pitch prop, full IFR gyros, HSI, GNS430 GPS/NAV/COM, electric trim, electric flaps. $75,500 Please take a look at http://home.insightbb.com/~mbrown99/ for all of the pictures and details. My contact information is on the website as well. Be sure to look at the spec sheet as it has a more complete listing of the equipment. Thanks, Michael DISCLAIMER: The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged, confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, any further disclosure, use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you think you have received this e-mail message in error, please e-mail the sender at the above address and permanently delete the e-mail. Although this e-mail and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which they are received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they are virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Giant Industries, Inc. or its affiliates for any loss or damage arising in any way from their use. RE: RV-List: 2000 RV6 for sale Don't sell one, buy two more! :-) Please Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Michael Brown [mailto:michael.brown@pepperweed.com] Subject: RV-List: 2000 RV6 for sale -- RV-List message posted by: Michael Brown michael.brown@pepperweed.com I'm selling my 2000 RV6. As hard as I try, I can't seem to get my entire family (5 of us) into the `6 all at once. N417G is a beautiful plane built by Randy Pflanzer from Indianapolis. Randy is a regular on this list. It has a 160HP O320, fixed pitch prop, full IFR gyros, HSI, GNS430 GPS/NAV/COM, electric trim, electric flaps. $75,500 Please take a look at http://home.insightbb.com/~mbrown99/ for all of the pictures and details. My contact information is on the website as well. Be sure to look at the spec sheet as it has a more complete listing of the equipment. Thanks, Michael DISCLAIMER: The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged, confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, any further disclosure, use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you think you have received this e-mail message in error, please e-mail the sender at the above address and permanently delete the e-mail. Although this e-mail and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which they are received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they are virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Giant Industries, Inc. or its affiliates for any loss or damage arising in any way from their use. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:29 AM PST US From: HCRV6@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: My first oops --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com In a message dated 2/17/03 9:40:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, rv7@cox.net writes: snip<< I thought for sure I'd get farther than this before my first screw up. >> David: One of the great things about building these airplanes is that it keeps us humble (well, most of us anyway :-). It's way to early to be discouraged, you have lots of oops to go yet. Wait until you have made the same mistake for the third or fourth time, then it will be time to start berating yourself. Cheers. Pleeeze do not archive! Harry Crosby Pleasanton, California RV-6, starting firewall forward ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:55 AM PST US From: "Ken Brooks" Subject: RV-List: Looking for picture of brake reservoir on pedals --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" In a recent discussion about the rudder pedal brake reservoirs, John Huft made this comment to which I'd like to add my 2 cents-worth. "I might worry about the reservoirs hitting the firewall if I had very long legs, but at 5-11, I have lots of room." Although John has the fixed rudder pedals in his beautifully built RV-8, I am installing the adjustable pedals, since I'm 6'3" and my partner Ed is 5'8". When we hooked up the rudder cables (we also have the Rear Seat Pedals), the cable seemed too long. With the pedals one click aft of full forward, the brake pedals and fluid reservoirs were almost touching the firewall even before any deflection of the pedal! Additionally, we had over a full inch of washers on the forward side of the firewall trying to take up the slack in the cables (both pedals)! Since I really need the pedals full-forward, this was unacceptable. Much fussing and weeping followed, but here is the short version of the long story. We talked to Ken Krueger at Van's when we were at OSH last year and he suggested we remove the cables and measure them to compare with their specs. We did, and they were perfect in length. Hmmm... Ed and I finally concluded that the "S" welds on the vertical rudder pedal supports had been welded at the wrong angle, making it look like an italic "S". This, in effect, "lengthened" the cables, even though they were made to the proper specs. At any given point on the adjustable pedal slide bar, this "cable lengthening effect" changed the geometry of the brake pedal angle at the firewall -- shorten the cable, bring the brake pedal aft. . .lengthen the cable, lean the brake pedal forward (not good). We removed the rudder/brake pedal assemblies and sent them to Van's and Ken confirmed our suspicions about the "S" welds! He also agreed that actually shortening the cable (in our case by 1.5"), would be just as good a fix as replacing the rudder cable assemblies with properly welded "S" bends. We had the reswaged cables and pedals back within 10 days, and it worked great. I can now stretch out my legs to the full forward pedal position and the brake pedals have just enough room for full pedal depression prior to contacting the firewall! Has anyone else who is using the adjustable rudder pedals had this or a similar problem? Ken was curious, but I hadn't read about any on the -list. Sorry about the long post. By the way, Mr. Krueger was very helpful and took this on in a personal way until we were satisfied -- pretty typical of Van's staff, in my opinion! Ken Brooks Roscoe, IL Rigging ailerons and flaps - still shooting for end-of-year flight! ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:41 AM PST US From: Richard Dudley Subject: Re: RV-List: Plenums --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley Jim, In trying to reach the link you cite in your post, I get an error message that my browser cannot locate the server. I, too am interested in a plenum. Regards, Richard Dudley Jim Norman wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Norman" > > I've got a carbon fiber plenum. Lots (and lots!!!) of work. Would make an > aluminum one next time, but would definitely make a plenum. > Photos at: > http:www.steinair.com/jn > > jim > Tampa > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Phillips > To: RV-List > Subject: RV-List: Plenums > > --> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips > > Howdy list- > > I am researching plenum design & use and would appreciate any links or > suggestions- > > Also, if anyone knows who owned or owns the yellow plane on the back of > Tony Bingelis' On Engines, or anything about it, I would REALLY like to > hear about it- talk about a gorgeous piece of work- just wondering how > well it DID work... > > Thanks from the PossumWorks in TN > Mark do not archive > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:19 AM PST US From: "Ken Brooks" Subject: RV-List: Lajitas, TX --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" Wow, Larry! 10 gals. of fuel for $2.70 -- I want some of that action!! ;-) Ken Brooks Roscoe, IL ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:56 AM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: Plenums --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" Try http://www.steinair.com/jn/ Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Dudley Subject: Re: RV-List: Plenums --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley Jim, In trying to reach the link you cite in your post, I get an error message that my browser cannot locate the server. I, too am interested in a plenum. Regards, Richard Dudley ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:07 AM PST US From: "George McNutt" Subject: RV-List: --> RV-List message posted by: "George McNutt" In a message dated 2/17/2003 9:12:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, don@dmack.net writes: > I am planning on using Van's firewall shields for passing my cables through > the firewall. Where can I find plastic grommets to use with the shields? I > looked at ACS, Wicks, etc. I want to avoid rubber as it will dry out and > have to be replaced. Hi Don If we are talking throttle, mixture type cables go to an aircraft salvage yard and see if you can liberate the firewall shields from a Beech Bonanza. Aircraft Spruce have aluminum swivel eyeball assemblies for $26 (Page 152, 2001-2002 catalog). The Bonanza had a similiar setup with a bakelite swivel eyeball and I cleaned off a whole firewall for $20. The swivel allows cables to run through the firewall at an angle allowing more flexibility with cable run, then seal eyeballs and all other penetrations with pro-seal. George McNutt Langley, B.C. 6A - 117 hrs. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:04 AM PST US From: "Rick Galati" Subject: RV-List: Re: My first oops --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" --- Rick Galati --- rick07x@earthlink.net Subject: My first oops From: David Taylor (rv7@cox.net ) Date: Mon Feb 17 - 9:36 PM -- RV-List message posted by: "David Taylor" rv7@cox.net I finally did what I swore I wouldn't do. I measured twice and cut once and still messed up. While cutting the flange for the HS 702 I got my figures mixed up. I cut 5 3/4 rather than 5 3/16. I got the tab mixed up with the flange. I called Vans and they thought it would probably be ok but said it had not been tested with that much cut. I opted to order new spars. Man do I feel dumb about right now. I thought for sure I'd get farther than this before my first screwup. -David Taylor (N207DT reserved) Screwing up the empennage Dave, Don't beat up on yourself, you'll be dazed and bruised soon enough anyway. There is dumb and there is dumber. Sometimes I feel like I'm building two airplanes. One came with the kit supplied parts, and the other is purchased a piece at a time from Van's parts list. Rick Galati ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:42 AM PST US From: "RV_8 Pilot" Subject: RV-List: Wanted: Wooden Prop --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" I'm posting this for a Mustang II owner friend of mine. Please contact him directly if you can help. Anyone have a spare prop for sale or loan to trouble shoot a vibration problem, preferable a Warnke or Aymar Demuth for use on a 150hp Lyc with 7/16 inch prop bolts. Might could use a prop for a 160hp. Thanks Greg Bordelon email: gbordelon@hess.com Bryan Jones -8 Pearland, Texas ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:05 PM PST US From: N13eer@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Aileron squeeze --> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com I have been through the archives and there are comments on which aileron to squeeze and what the effect is. But have seen post that says squeeze the heavy wing and ones that say squeeze the light one. Which is it? In my case with the spring trim centered, hands free the plane rolls to the left, which aileron do I squeeze? Alan Kritzman Cedar Rapids, IA RV-8 11 hours, with a wedge taped under the right aileron so I can fly straight. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:24 PM PST US From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" Subject: RE: RV-List: Aileron squeeze --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" Squeeze the OPPOSITE aileron. I'm still going through this. Works like a charm. -- Scott VanArtsdalen Network Manager Union Safe Deposit Bank 209-946-5116 -----Original Message----- From: N13eer@aol.com [mailto:N13eer@aol.com] Subject: RV-List: Aileron squeeze --> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com I have been through the archives and there are comments on which aileron to squeeze and what the effect is. But have seen post that says squeeze the heavy wing and ones that say squeeze the light one. Which is it? In my case with the spring trim centered, hands free the plane rolls to the left, which aileron do I squeeze? Alan Kritzman Cedar Rapids, IA RV-8 11 hours, with a wedge taped under the right aileron so I can fly straight. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:16 PM PST US From: mstewart@qa.butler.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Aileron squeeze --> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com I Squeezed the light wing. Right side in my case. My left was heavy. I wrote mine down here: http://www.mstewart.net/michael/rv/flying/25hrreport/25hourreport.htm Mike Stewart -----Original Message----- From: N13eer@aol.com [mailto:N13eer@aol.com] Subject: RV-List: Aileron squeeze --> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com I have been through the archives and there are comments on which aileron to squeeze and what the effect is. But have seen post that says squeeze the heavy wing and ones that say squeeze the light one. Which is it? In my case with the spring trim centered, hands free the plane rolls to the left, which aileron do I squeeze? Alan Kritzman Cedar Rapids, IA RV-8 11 hours, with a wedge taped under the right aileron so I can fly straight. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:17:36 PM PST US From: "John H. Wiegenstein" Subject: RV-List: CHT Instrumentation --> RV-List message posted by: "John H. Wiegenstein" In considering engine instrumentation I am planning on using the RMI MicroMonitor, but have not decided whether to monitor one CHT or all 4. As the number of RV-6's with Van's supplied engines (or otherwise stock Lycomings) and FWF kits grows, it would seem to me that there might be some data developed to show which cylinder runs hottest in these "standardized" (relatively) installations. Does anyone know of any info on this, so that I could pin down the right cylinder to measure without doing my own test program? TIA John H. Wiegenstein HELLER WIEGENSTEIN PLLC 19301 - 8th Avenue NE, Suite A Poulsbo, WA 98370 (360) 394-3500 (360) 394-3503 FAX johnw@hellerwiegenstein.com ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:12 PM PST US From: "Tracy Crook" Subject: Re: RV-List: Aileron squeeze --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Aileron squeeze > --> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com > > I have been through the archives and there are comments on which aileron to squeeze and what the effect is. But have seen post that says squeeze the heavy wing and ones that say squeeze the light one. Which is it? In my case with the spring trim centered, hands free the plane rolls to the left, which aileron do I squeeze? > > Alan Kritzman > Cedar Rapids, IA > RV-8 11 hours, with a wedge taped under the right aileron so I can fly straight. To keep it straight in my head I think of the phrase "Squeeze a wing down" . Tracy Crook RV-4 1300+ RV-8 Canopy (yuck) > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:46 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: CHT Instrumentation --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" Information in the archives indicates that the back two cylinders are the warmest, with #3 being hottest, with all other things equal. On my aircraft there is a spread, with #'s 1 and 2 being coolest by 15+/- degrees, followed by #3, then #4 (adjacent to the baffle mounted oil cooler) which is hotter than #3 by about 25 degrees. KB ----- Original Message ----- From: "John H. Wiegenstein" Subject: RV-List: CHT Instrumentation > --> RV-List message posted by: "John H. Wiegenstein" > > In considering engine instrumentation I am planning on using the RMI > MicroMonitor, but have not decided whether to monitor one CHT or all 4. > As the number of RV-6's with Van's supplied engines (or otherwise stock > Lycomings) and FWF kits grows, it would seem to me that there might be some > data developed to show which cylinder runs hottest in these "standardized" > (relatively) installations. Does anyone know of any info on this, so that > I could pin down the right cylinder to measure without doing my own test > program? TIA > > John H. Wiegenstein > HELLER WIEGENSTEIN PLLC > 19301 - 8th Avenue NE, Suite A > Poulsbo, WA 98370 > (360) 394-3500 > (360) 394-3503 FAX > johnw@hellerwiegenstein.com > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:46 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re : CHT Instrumentation From: "Martin Hone" --> RV-List message posted by: "Martin Hone" John, I asked a similar question recently. It is generally considered that # 3 cylinder runs hottest (right rear) but there are many factors to consider. CHT's are affected, to varying degrees depending on angle of attack and airspeed, by throttle position and mixture and baffle design. Unless all cylinders are monitored, it is impossible to say which cylinder is hottest at any one time. Cheers Martin ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:09 PM PST US From: "Bert Forero" Subject: RV-List: missaligned holes --> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" Hello: I have a few missaligned holes on the top front skin. Best way to fix? fill with rivets, but i had to filed them so sking be flush... Tought of J.B weld, not good, skin too thin.. Any other suggestions.. Thanks Bert rv6a Working on canopy Do Not Archive Sign up for Internet Service under $10 dollars a month, at http://isp.BlueLight.com ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:11 PM PST US From: "John Starn" Subject: Re: RV-List: Aileron squeeze --> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" Just another thought. We had a heavy wing and used the "squeeze" method. Works great, takes VERY, VERY little. If you can see it, it's too much. We used a sheet metal tool called a duck bill, lined the face of the blades with duct tape (what else). The tool looks more like a "hammerhead shark", about 5" wide 1 1/2" deep. Look for them where you buy sheet metal hand cutters. This method is outlined in the 21 years of RVator book. If your have, are building or thinking about building an RV (or one of its derivatives) you NEED this book. Do Not Archive. HRII 561FS KABONG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" Subject: RE: RV-List: Aileron squeeze > --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" > > Squeeze the OPPOSITE aileron. I'm still going through this. Works like a > charm. > > -- > Scott VanArtsdalen > Network Manager > Union Safe Deposit Bank > 209-946-5116 > > -----Original Message----- > From: N13eer@aol.com [mailto:N13eer@aol.com] > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Aileron squeeze > > --> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com > > I have been through the archives and there are comments on which aileron to > squeeze and what the effect is. But have seen post that says squeeze the > heavy wing and ones that say squeeze the light one. Which is it? In my > case with the spring trim centered, hands free the plane rolls to the left, > which aileron do I squeeze? > > Alan Kritzman > Cedar Rapids, IA > RV-8 11 hours, with a wedge taped under the right aileron so I can fly > straight. > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:19 PM PST US From: "Elsa & Henry" Subject: Re: RV-List: Aileron squeeze --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" I'll quote from an article that Van wrote in the August '92 Rvator: "----The essential info is that lateral balance can be achieved by decreasing the trailing edge radius of the aileron on the light wing. This means that if the airplane has a left rolling tendency (heavy left wing), decreasing the trailing edge radius on the right wing will make the right wing heavier and bring it into balance.The reverse is true for a right rolling tendency. On the flip side, increasing the radius of the trailing edge of the aileron on the heavy wing will bring trim into balance. It is obvious that squeezing the trailing edge will decrease the radius, but how does one conveniently increase (un-squeeze) the trailing edge? There is a simple but effective procedure; one which most sensitive, intelligent builders find distasteful. Hit it with a hammer!!! Actually, the procedure calls for holding a wooden block along the trailing edge and tapping it with a hammer or similar heavy object. It usually doesn't require much force, so no damage is done to the aileron" Unquote.------- There is a wealth of info in those old RVators and my wife says I have a terrific memory for what I have read. I go back to early 1992 form copies made from a very old builder. Suggest that builder's groups print-out the above and disseminate it to their members for posterity! Cheers!!-------Henry Hore ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:17 PM PST US From: "Rick Galati" Subject: RV-List: Primer notes --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" What are you guys using to plug into the cylinders for your primer system? The Orndorf "Systems" Video seems to indicate simply installing AN 816-2 nipples into 3 cylinders. I would think that the primer should be atomized before being squirted into the cylinders. So? Not so? Also, how many cylinders (0-320) to run primer line to...one...two..three? Feedback please. Rick Galati --- Rick Galati --- rick07x@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:06 PM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Adjustable rudder pedal problem was Looking for picture of brake reservoir on pedals --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss Ken, Is there any way those of us who are not yet flying can determine the correct "angle" of the S tube on our rudder pedals? Charlie Kuss >--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" > > In a recent discussion about the rudder pedal brake reservoirs, John >Huft made this comment to which I'd like to add my 2 cents-worth. > >"I might worry about the reservoirs hitting the firewall if I had very >long legs, but at 5-11, I have lots of room." > > Although John has the fixed rudder pedals in his beautifully built >RV-8, I am installing the adjustable pedals, since I'm 6'3" and my >partner Ed is 5'8". When we hooked up the rudder cables (we also have >the Rear Seat Pedals), the cable seemed too long. With the pedals one >click aft of full forward, the brake pedals and fluid reservoirs were >almost touching the firewall even before any deflection of the pedal! >Additionally, we had over a full inch of washers on the forward side of >the firewall trying to take up the slack in the cables (both pedals)! >Since I really need the pedals full-forward, this was unacceptable. >Much fussing and weeping followed, but here is the short version of the >long story. > > We talked to Ken Krueger at Van's when we were at OSH last year and >he suggested we remove the cables and measure them to compare with their >specs. We did, and they were perfect in length. Hmmm... Ed and I >finally concluded that the "S" welds on the vertical rudder pedal >supports had been welded at the wrong angle, making it look like an >italic "S". This, in effect, "lengthened" the cables, even though they >were made to the proper specs. At any given point on the adjustable >pedal slide bar, this "cable lengthening effect" changed the geometry of >the brake pedal angle at the firewall -- shorten the cable, bring the >brake pedal aft. . .lengthen the cable, lean the brake pedal forward >(not good). > > We removed the rudder/brake pedal assemblies and sent them to Van's >and Ken confirmed our suspicions about the "S" welds! He also agreed >that actually shortening the cable (in our case by 1.5"), would be just >as good a fix as replacing the rudder cable assemblies with properly >welded "S" bends. We had the reswaged cables and pedals back within 10 >days, and it worked great. I can now stretch out my legs to the full >forward pedal position and the brake pedals have just enough room for >full pedal depression prior to contacting the firewall! > > Has anyone else who is using the adjustable rudder pedals had this >or a similar problem? Ken was curious, but I hadn't read about any on >the -list. Sorry about the long post. By the way, Mr. Krueger was very >helpful and took this on in a personal way until we were satisfied -- >pretty typical of Van's staff, in my opinion! > > >Ken Brooks > >Roscoe, IL > >Rigging ailerons and flaps - still shooting for end-of-year flight! > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:32 PM PST US From: "David Taylor" Subject: RV-List: My first oops --> RV-List message posted by: "David Taylor" Thanks for all of the encouraging words. The new part is on order and I hope to have it this weekend or the first part of next week. Now if I can figure out how this darn rivet squeezer works :) Do not archive -David Taylor (N207DT reserved) Warner Robins, GA Starting the empennage ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:32 PM PST US From: Bill Marvel Subject: Re: RV-List: Primer notes --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Marvel Rick: You are correct that primer fuel ought to be atomized to best perform its function. You can get all the primer hardware you need from Aircraft Spruce (that is one I know of for certain). These fittings are in their catalog right along with the AN fittings. The primer nozzle is part number AN4022-1 and the corresponding nut and cone that attach the tube to the nozzle are AN805 and AN800 respectively. The cone does have to be soldered to the tube, however. For $20 you can get everything you need for two cylinders. Yes, all you need to do is two consecutive jugs. Your firing order is 1,3,2,4 in Lycs, so if you prime any two of those that are in that order (1 and 3 or 3 and 2 etc.) you will have plenty of priming to get the engine running. One is not enough when it gets very cold; 3 is fine, as is all 4. I have two in my O-360 on cylinders 3 and 2. They work fine. A heads up from one who has been there. When you are starting in below freezing temps, plan to do one more shot of prime as the engine fires. The reason is that if you get too little prime in there, it will fire, create enough moisture to freeze across the spark plug electrodes, and then stop. You then have to pull the plugs to clean off the ice or put the plane into a warm place to melt it. Bill Marvel -8A 185 hours in 10 months, getting ready for paint Rick Galati wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" > > What are you guys using to plug into the cylinders for your > primer system? The Orndorf "Systems" Video seems to indicate > > simply installing AN 816-2 nipples into 3 > cylinders. I would think that the primer should be atomized > before being > > squirted into the > cylinders. So? Not so? Also, how many cylinders (0-320) > to run primer line to...one...two..three? > > Feedback please. > > Rick Galati > > --- Rick Galati > > --- rick07x@earthlink.net > -- Bill Marvel Home/office 310 832 7617 P.O. Box 784 Cell 310 293 2013 San Pedro, CA 90733 Fax 310 832 5334 One good deed beats 100 good intentions... ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:23 PM PST US From: "Ed Perry" Subject: Re: RV-List: Plenums --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Perry" I have an -8 with an aluminum plenum. I made the plenum to get the airloads off the hinges for the cowling. I am hoping that it will add a few knots. I have heard that this is a reasonable hope. Anyway I made mine in about a week of straight work. I have a couple of pictures if you are interested.... Ed Perry eperry@san.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Phillips" Subject: RV-List: Plenums > --> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips > > Howdy list- > > I am researching plenum design & use and would appreciate any links or > suggestions- > > Also, if anyone knows who owned or owns the yellow plane on the back of > Tony Bingelis' On Engines, or anything about it, I would REALLY like to > hear about it- talk about a gorgeous piece of work- just wondering how > well it DID work... > > Thanks from the PossumWorks in TN > Mark do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:01 PM PST US From: Gert Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Adjustable rudder pedal problem was Looking for picture of brake reservoir on pedals --> RV-List message posted by: Gert The way I found out was with the rudder installed and the cables tight my rudder pedals were pointing forward. I installed the max amount of washers that the threads would allow, still could not get the pedals to stand up from leaning forward. by the way, my kit is 80721, just wondering who else has this problem and what kit # they have. Gert Charlie Kuss wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss > > Ken, > Is there any way those of us who are not yet flying can determine the correct "angle" of the S tube on our rudder pedals? > Charlie Kuss > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" >> >> In a recent discussion about the rudder pedal brake reservoirs, John >>Huft made this comment to which I'd like to add my 2 cents-worth. >> >>"I might worry about the reservoirs hitting the firewall if I had very >>long legs, but at 5-11, I have lots of room." >> >> Although John has the fixed rudder pedals in his beautifully built >>RV-8, I am installing the adjustable pedals, since I'm 6'3" and my >>partner Ed is 5'8". When we hooked up the rudder cables (we also have >>the Rear Seat Pedals), the cable seemed too long. With the pedals one >>click aft of full forward, the brake pedals and fluid reservoirs were >>almost touching the firewall even before any deflection of the pedal! >>Additionally, we had over a full inch of washers on the forward side of >>the firewall trying to take up the slack in the cables (both pedals)! >>Since I really need the pedals full-forward, this was unacceptable. >>Much fussing and weeping followed, but here is the short version of the >>long story. >> >> We talked to Ken Krueger at Van's when we were at OSH last year and >>he suggested we remove the cables and measure them to compare with their >>specs. We did, and they were perfect in length. Hmmm... Ed and I >>finally concluded that the "S" welds on the vertical rudder pedal >>supports had been welded at the wrong angle, making it look like an >>italic "S". This, in effect, "lengthened" the cables, even though they >>were made to the proper specs. At any given point on the adjustable >>pedal slide bar, this "cable lengthening effect" changed the geometry of >>the brake pedal angle at the firewall -- shorten the cable, bring the >>brake pedal aft. . .lengthen the cable, lean the brake pedal forward >>(not good). >> >> We removed the rudder/brake pedal assemblies and sent them to Van's >>and Ken confirmed our suspicions about the "S" welds! He also agreed >>that actually shortening the cable (in our case by 1.5"), would be just >>as good a fix as replacing the rudder cable assemblies with properly >>welded "S" bends. We had the reswaged cables and pedals back within 10 >>days, and it worked great. I can now stretch out my legs to the full >>forward pedal position and the brake pedals have just enough room for >>full pedal depression prior to contacting the firewall! >> >> Has anyone else who is using the adjustable rudder pedals had this >>or a similar problem? Ken was curious, but I hadn't read about any on >>the -list. Sorry about the long post. By the way, Mr. Krueger was very >>helpful and took this on in a personal way until we were satisfied -- >>pretty typical of Van's staff, in my opinion! >> >> >>Ken Brooks >> >>Roscoe, IL >> >>Rigging ailerons and flaps - still shooting for end-of-year flight! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > -- is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:56 PM PST US From: jay pearlman Subject: RV-List: wingtip tanks --> RV-List message posted by: jay pearlman Anyone have experience with the johanson or other wingtip tanks - weight? best installation method? utility for cross country? ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:18 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Grommets for firewall shields --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 2/18/2003 8:57:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, randallh@attbi.com writes: > >The trick to making anything made of rubber (either natural, nitrile > >or other) last forever is to coat it liberally (I know this will be > >difficult for you right-wingers but do it anyway ; ) when new with > >DC4 or DC111 > > Do you still use RTV to seal them up? Seems like it wouldn't stick. I know > its ugly but I've always thought it's important, so as to minimize how much > exhaust gasses can get into the cockpit. > If they are sized properly (tight fitting on the item) for the application there's no need for RTV? -GV (RV-6A N1GV 593hrs) ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:59 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Aileron squeeze --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 2/18/2003 2:41:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, lors01@msn.com writes: > To keep it straight in my head I think of the phrase "Squeeze a wing down" Or squeeze a light wing lightly. -GV (RV-6A N1GV 593hrs)