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1. 03:25 AM - Re: Re: Wiring Hobbs and 12Volt (Jim Sears)
2. 03:26 AM - Re: Gyro overhaul vendor (Wes)
3. 04:03 AM - Re: IFR Prof.Check Ride, was IFR in RV's (Dana Overall)
4. 04:33 AM - Re: IFR Prof.Check Ride, was IFR in RV's (Dana Overall)
5. 04:38 AM - Re: lycoming fuel pump capacity? (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
6. 04:41 AM - Re: Re: Wiring Hobbs and 12Volt (Wayne R. Couture)
7. 04:50 AM - Re: IFR Prof.Check Ride, was IFR in RV's (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
8. 04:52 AM - Re: Re: Wiring Hobbs and 12Volt (Wayne R. Couture)
9. 05:58 AM - 6A kit for sale (John W. Jenkins)
10. 06:04 AM - GPS and IFR flying (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
11. 07:30 AM - Re: Hangar Fire (Mauri Morin)
12. 08:07 AM - Tach VS Hobbs; was Wiring Hobbs and 12Volt (zilik@direcpc.com)
13. 08:19 AM - Garmin GPS Pinout (Ken Brooks)
14. 08:35 AM - Use of GPS (Ken Brooks)
15. 08:44 AM - Re: Tach VS Hobbs; was Wiring Hobbs and 12Volt (zilik@direcpc.com)
16. 08:50 AM - Re: Use of GPS/ Another IFR question (Nels Hanson)
17. 08:56 AM - Re: Garmin GPS Pinout (Denis Walsh)
18. 09:22 AM - Re: Tach VS Hobbs; was Wiring Hobbs and 12Volt (Konrad Werner)
19. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: Tach VS Hobbs; was Wiring Hobbs and 12Volt (Laird Owens)
20. 09:48 AM - Re: Holes in firewall (HCRV6@aol.com)
21. 10:12 AM - Re: lycoming fuel pump capacity? (Dan Checkoway)
22. 10:22 AM - Re: Use of GPS/ Another IFR question (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
23. 10:38 AM - Re: Use of GPS/ Another IFR question (Bob Di Meo)
24. 12:31 PM - Re: Use of GPS/ Another IFR question (Stanley Blanton)
25. 12:37 PM - Re: Use of GPS/ Another IFR question (Stanley Blanton)
26. 02:50 PM - Re: Tach. vs Hobbs (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
27. 03:07 PM - Atlanta trip (R. Craig Chipley)
28. 03:54 PM - Re: Atlanta trip (C. Rabaut)
29. 04:10 PM - Re: Atlanta trip (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
30. 04:28 PM - Re: Holes in firewall (Brian Armstrong)
31. 06:22 PM - Raise your hand! (RW)
32. 06:49 PM - Engine power loss in heavy rain (Bill Marvel)
33. 07:45 PM - Re: Raise your hand! (Brian Denk)
34. 08:06 PM - Re: Gyro overhaul vendor (Will Cretsinger)
35. 09:37 PM - satellite radio on an RV? (Shemp)
36. 10:55 PM - Bendix/King Color MAP MFD (Karie Daniel)
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Subject: | Re: Wiring Hobbs and 12Volt |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Sears" <sears@searnet.com>
> Sorry, I don't understand what flying time has to do with anything! A
> Hobb's meter is used for engine run time for proper service intervals.
I beg to differ! On all of the aircraft I've owned, to include my RV, the
tachometer has a clock. My Hobbs is for my flight time only. If you have a
tach that has no clock, then you can use it for both functions. I've never
seen an A&P use my Hobbs for engine time. It's always the tach time.
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS
EAA Tech Counselor
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Gyro overhaul vendor |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wes" <whays@camalott.com>
Brian,
If AI's are anything like DG's, I just bought a new DG for the same or less
than it would cost to get mine overhauled. Since the old one was essentially
not worth anything, I looked inside and found that the only problem appeared
to be a keeper that had come off of one of the shafts and was not
disengaging the gears to set the heading. Had I done that before I ordered a
new one, I might have saved a few bucks by fixing it myself.
If you find a place to overhaul at a more reasonable price please share. I
checked Mid-Continent, and ended up buying one from ACS since they had it in
stock. There were some cheaper ones out there, but they did not have them in
stock.
Good Luck!
Wes Hays
>
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Subject: | IFR Prof.Check Ride, was IFR in RV's |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Mike, don't take my comments as directed towards you in any way at all. You
have my congrats doing all your IFR work in your RV. I will fly my RV IFR
and use some of techniques you have mentioned in the real world.
A hint to stay legal and still get direct: File your flight plan using the
V airways. Indicate your aircraft type with the appropriate /. In the
comments section put "Handheld Garmin XXX for situational awareness" and
also put "autopilot" if you have one. As soon as they hand you off to your
first center, ask if you can have direct on such and such heading. Before
we installed the approach GPS in the Bonanza, this was my SOP. I've had ATC
ask just how was I going to maintain direct. My pat reply was always, "VOR
cross checking with handheld GPS for situational awareness". The relpy 99
times out of 100 is "cleared direct, heading XXX".
Mike, once again, for heavens sake use what you have onboard to stay safe
and dirty side down. If you took my comments as arguing with you, that was
the furthest thing from my mind when I posted. If you thought I was, my
apologies.......it wasn't intended that way.
While I don't think you have to have an IFR ticket to fly at night, I
believe the time spent under hood and learning the ATC system makes you a
better pilot. Note, I did not say it makes you a better pilot than "him",
it just makes "you" a better pilot.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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Subject: | IFR Prof.Check Ride, was IFR in RV's |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
One has to think when you show up for your checkride in minimually equiped
(in by book, there's nothing wrong with that) airplane, he doesn't want to
have to make to fly 200 miles somewhere to find a third approach for you to
shoot. People know how good this hand held stuff is.
With all that said, let me flip the coin and tell you what a local
controller did to the local university that offers various 4 year pilot
degrees. Lexington, KY offers all the approaches out there but to get back
into I39 the approach is VOR/DME. One of the aircraft the college flies
does not have DME but an old loran. In VFR conditions people were taking
the miss on ILS22 in Lex and requesting the VOR back to Richmond. Some new
controller with a stick up his backside noticed the aircraft, at some point
in time, had filed a flight plan with a / indicating it was not equiped with
DME and remembered it. He called the FBO and told them this aircraft could
longer be given the VOR/DME to Richmond and if they ask anymore, he would
file a report. After this, all you would do is tell ATC, after the ILS
miss, you would like direct to the LEX VOR, then direct I39 at 2600. The
FAF was well outside the LEX class airspace so all you would is cancel radar
coverage and shoot the approach. The log book entry was VOR tracking into
I39. This university even had an NDB approach they came up with using a
local AM radio station. Where there's a will, there's a way!!
Now back to our regular RV programming.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
>From: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
>FWIW...I just recently finished my IFR rating with the "minimum" IFR
>configuration. My plane was a Cherokee with one com and one ILS (no DME,
>ADF, 2nd VOR, etc). To meet the PTS, you have to be able to do three
>approaches (1 precision and 2 non-precision).
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Subject: | lycoming fuel pump capacity? |
--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Absolutely Jeff you will need a new engine driven pump to take you from the
single digits psi to the high teen's.
Yes also to a new electric pump and they are not cheap, at least the
aviation ones are not. I believe an air flow perf. Pump which I have is in
the $800 range. Cause its not just a pump, but bypass valves, overpressure
returns etc all in one "pump" package.
When you say you have a bendix injector, do you mean the flow metering unit?
Flow divider? Injectors and lines?
You can see an AFP pump package here:
http://www.airflowperformance.com/efp.htm
BTW, AFP also sells bendix stuff so you can call them and they could better
tell you what to mate it all up with.
You may find it cheaper to buy an entire kit from someone than piecemeal
what you have.
Good luck.
Mike Stewart
0-360 w/ AFP system
-----Original Message-----
From: Shemp [mailto:shempdowling@earthlink.net]
Subject: RV-List: lycoming fuel pump capacity?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Shemp" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
Help, I have an 0-360 that Im trying to convert to fuel injection. I have a
bendix fuel injector and am wondering if I need to upgrade my engine fuel
pump to one of higher capacity. How about the electric pump requirements?
Im thinking about buying Vans kit but Im not sure if I need all of it. Has
anyone else done this?
Jeff Dowling
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Subject: | Re: Wiring Hobbs and 12Volt |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
> The fellow said he didn't have an oil pressure switch and asked
> how else he could run the Hobbs meter. The alternator field enable wire is
> a pretty good substitute. Why on earth would you fly (or even run) an RV
> with the alternator turned off? It would be about the same as flying with
> the master switch turned off with the oil pressure style set up. What is
> the difference?
>
I agree that you would not turn your alternator off unless you had a bad
alternator. That would be far superior to wiring to the lighting system!
Do not archive
>
>
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Subject: | IFR Prof.Check Ride, was IFR in RV's |
--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Absolutely NONE taken Dana. ALL of your comments have been good ones and
certainly helpful to the listers interested in this topic.
And thanks for making sure.
There was an initial reply on this topic, not by you, that was a bit
flamming. But I ignore the personal attacks some take.
And how come your in Kentucky and don't come down and fly with us Atlanta
guys?
Mike Stewart
Do not archive.
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Mike, don't take my comments as directed towards you in any way at all
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Subject: | Re: Wiring Hobbs and 12Volt |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
True, that is the case with most certified aircraft, but if your tach is
mechanical, which is more accurate?
Do not archive
> I beg to differ! On all of the aircraft I've owned, to include my RV,
the
> tachometer has a clock. My Hobbs is for my flight time only. If you have
a
> tach that has no clock, then you can use it for both functions. I've
never
> seen an A&P use my Hobbs for engine time. It's always the tach time.
>
> Jim Sears in KY
> RV-6A N198JS
> EAA Tech Counselor
> do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John W. Jenkins" <john.jenkins@midplains.net>
I've lost my medical and therefore have just placed this ad in
Trade-a-Plane: "RV-6A QB kit for sale; entire airframe package. Madison,
WI. $15K; buyer ships. Email john.jenkins@midplains.net; call
608.831.9167." This is one of the last kits sold before the RV-7 was
introduced. The empennage is finished, except for the elevators, which have
stiffeners installed; nothing has been done on the rest.
I'd appreciate any help getting this word out. Many thanks, John Jenkins
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Subject: | GPS and IFR flying |
--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Jim Baker, an all around nice guy and list lurker, after reading many of the
posts yesterday, thought you might like to read what the FAA says is
required for using GPS for IFR, as well as what is required of the
manufacturers for enroute and terminal operations of their GPS equipment. I
read through it and agree. It is full of useful information on the use of
GPS for IFR operations.
I have posted it on my website, in the downloads section, under "strangely
useful things"
http://www.mstewart.net/michael/rv/index.htm
<http://www.mstewart.net/michael/rv/index.htm>
Enjoy
Mike Stewart
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<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Jim Baker, an all around nice guy and list lurker, after
reading many of the posts yesterday, thought you might like to read what the
FAA says is required for using GPS for IFR, as well as what is required of the
manufacturers for enroute and terminal operations of their GPS equipment. I
read through it and agree. It is full of useful information on the use of GPS
for IFR operations.
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I have posted it on my website, in the downloads section,
under "strangely useful things"
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><a href"http://www.mstewart.net/michael/rv/index.htm">http://www.mstewart.net/michael/rv/index.htm
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<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Mauri Morin" <maurv8@bigsky.net>
Avemco does mine
Mauri
RV-8 Wings/Tanks
Polson, MT.
DNA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Hangar Fire
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
>
> Tom,
>
> That reminds me of something. A friend who is building a Murphy SR2500
said
> that he was unable to insure his aircraft under construction. Does anyone
> know if insurance is available for the airplane while it is in your garage
> or workshop or hanger while it is uncompleted? Seemed odd to me at the
time,
> but now that I'm close to ordering, I'd like to hear from listers on this.
>
> DOC
>
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
> To: "RV List" <rv-list@matronics.com>; "Rocket List"
> <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Hangar Fire
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > John Harmon of Harmon Rocket Fame and his wife stopped by Apple Valley
> > Airport (APV) today for a couple of hours. I wish I had a better memory
> but
> > he stated that there was a hangar fire and three Harmon Rockets under
> > construction were destoryed. I believe there were several RV involved
> too.
> >
> > Sorry, I don't remember where and don't know any of the names, but my
best
> > wishes go out to all the owner-builders in the hangar.
> >
> > Tom Gummo
> > Apple Valley CA
> > Harmon Rocket N561FS - 104 Hours
> > Flies GREAT.
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Tach VS Hobbs; was Wiring Hobbs and 12Volt |
--> RV-List message posted by: "zilik@direcpc.com" <zilik@direcpc.com>
Well that depends on what you consider accurate.
A hobbs meter is very accurate at measuring time, just like your watch.
This is great for measuring flight time for your logbook and engine time
also. This is a true accurate measurement of time (hours, minutes and
seconds)
The tachometer measures revolutions, not time. Im my case my tachometer
measures 1 unit(hour?) at 2566 rpm. This works out to 153960 rotations of
the old crank for 1 unit of time measured on the tach. So if I cruise at
2566 rpm and hour on the hobbs and tach are both the same. If I cruise at
2700 rpm then my tach will measure 1.052 hours for each hobbs hour and at a
2300 rpm cruise my tach will report 0.896 hours for said hobbs hour.
So if I run my engine hard (racing to breakfast) I would actually have to
change my oil (25 hour interval) sooner that the hobbs would suggest. The
hobbs would report 23.764 hours.
Now if I take my time going to breakfast and do a little sight-seeing and
run at 2300 rpm then I get to change my oil a little later using the tach
as my guide. The hobbs would report 27.9 hours but my tach would report 25.
If I cruised all the time at 2300 rpm and finally tore down my engine at
the recomended TBO or 2000 hours, my tach would say 2300 hours and my hobbs
report 2232 hours.
The above examples do not take into account taxi, climout or anything but
cruise but I mostly cruise so its a moot point.
I stand by that the old tach is a better measurement of time for
maintainence on the engine in that it is slaved to rpm and not time. In
short, your engine wears out faster using hobbs time.
Gary, no Hobbs, Zilik
RV-6A 471.2 tach hours (at varying rpm)
The math may be inaccurate as I used my trusty ole pencil.
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Wayne R. Couture commando@cox-internet.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Wiring Hobbs and 12Volt
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture"
<commando@cox-internet.com>
True, that is the case with most certified aircraft, but if your tach is
mechanical, which is more accurate?
Do not archive
> I beg to differ! On all of the aircraft I've owned, to include my RV,
the
> tachometer has a clock. My Hobbs is for my flight time only. If you have
a
> tach that has no clock, then you can use it for both functions. I've
never
> seen an A&P use my Hobbs for engine time. It's always the tach time.
>
> Jim Sears in KY
> RV-6A N198JS
> EAA Tech Counselor
> do not archive
>
>
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Subject: | Garmin GPS Pinout |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" <kenbrooks@charter.net>
Mike--
I think you mean "voila!" It's one of those great French words that
we use all the time--it's the only thing they're good for! ;-) Flame
retardant flight suit being donned...
Ken Brooks
Roscoe, IL
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" <kenbrooks@charter.net>
Jim Brownfield's comments about the potential unavailability of GPS
signals in the event of terrorist use of them is well taken. Just my
luck, they'll encrypt the GPS signal, and at the same time we won't be
able to get 100LL fuel anymore! I'll be grounded! Come to think of it,
that would kind of be like...now, since I'm still building (sigh).
Guess I'll have to look into installing an INS! "Honey, where's the
checkbook?"
Ken Brooks
Roscoe, IL
Do Not Archive (see, I remembered this time 8-)
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Subject: | RE: Tach VS Hobbs; was Wiring Hobbs and 12Volt |
--> RV-List message posted by: "zilik@direcpc.com" <zilik@direcpc.com>
If I cruised all the time at 2300 rpm and finally tore down my engine at
the recomended TBO or 2000 hours, my tach would say 2300 hours and my hobbs
report 2232 hours.
This should have read : my tach would say 2000 hours and my hobbs would
report 2232 hours.
I shoulda proof read my post
Gary
Original Message:
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From: zilik@direcpc.com zilik@direcpc.com
Subject: Tach VS Hobbs; was Wiring Hobbs and 12Volt
Well that depends on what you consider accurate.
A hobbs meter is very accurate at measuring time, just like your watch.
This is great for measuring flight time for your logbook and engine time
also. This is a true accurate measurement of time (hours, minutes and
seconds)
The tachometer measures revolutions, not time. Im my case my tachometer
measures 1 unit(hour?) at 2566 rpm. This works out to 153960 rotations of
the old crank for 1 unit of time measured on the tach. So if I cruise at
2566 rpm and hour on the hobbs and tach are both the same. If I cruise at
2700 rpm then my tach will measure 1.052 hours for each hobbs hour and at a
2300 rpm cruise my tach will report 0.896 hours for said hobbs hour.
So if I run my engine hard (racing to breakfast) I would actually have to
change my oil (25 hour interval) sooner that the hobbs would suggest. The
hobbs would report 23.764 hours.
Now if I take my time going to breakfast and do a little sight-seeing and
run at 2300 rpm then I get to change my oil a little later using the tach
as my guide. The hobbs would report 27.9 hours but my tach would report 25.
If I cruised all the time at 2300 rpm and finally tore down my engine at
the recomended TBO or 2000 hours, my tach would say 2300 hours and my hobbs
report 2232 hours.
The above examples do not take into account taxi, climout or anything but
cruise but I mostly cruise so its a moot point.
I stand by that the old tach is a better measurement of time for
maintainence on the engine in that it is slaved to rpm and not time. In
short, your engine wears out faster using hobbs time.
Gary, no Hobbs, Zilik
RV-6A 471.2 tach hours (at varying rpm)
The math may be inaccurate as I used my trusty ole pencil.
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Wayne R. Couture commando@cox-internet.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Wiring Hobbs and 12Volt
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture"
<commando@cox-internet.com>
True, that is the case with most certified aircraft, but if your tach is
mechanical, which is more accurate?
Do not archive
> I beg to differ! On all of the aircraft I've owned, to include my RV,
the
> tachometer has a clock. My Hobbs is for my flight time only. If you have
a
> tach that has no clock, then you can use it for both functions. I've
never
> seen an A&P use my Hobbs for engine time. It's always the tach time.
>
> Jim Sears in KY
> RV-6A N198JS
> EAA Tech Counselor
> do not archive
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Use of GPS/ Another IFR question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Nels Hanson <pa201950@yahoo.com>
Not to get things stirred up again.....But I was
wondering about this situation. Let's assume I have
the equipment to do a non-precision approach(VOR),BUT
the published missed approach involved a piece of
equipment that my plane didn't have(such as ADF). The
reported ceiling is 200 ft. above the MDA. Can you
"legally" shoot the approach? Sorry to keep the pot
stirred,but it is relevant to my home airport and the
published missed approach procedures. It has never
happened(yet)because so far I've received radar
vectors for the missed approach.
--- Ken Brooks <kenbrooks@charter.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks"
> <kenbrooks@charter.net>
>
> Jim Brownfield's comments about the potential
> unavailability of GPS
> signals in the event of terrorist use of them is
> well taken. Just my
> luck, they'll encrypt the GPS signal, and at the
> same time we won't be
> able to get 100LL fuel anymore! I'll be grounded!
> Come to think of it,
> that would kind of be like...now, since I'm still
> building (sigh).
> Guess I'll have to look into installing an INS!
> "Honey, where's the
> checkbook?"
>
> Ken Brooks
> Roscoe, IL
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Subject: | Re: Garmin GPS Pinout |
--> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@attbi.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" <kenbrooks@charter.net>
>
> Mike--
> I think you mean "voila!" It's one of those great French words that
> we use all the time--it's the only thing they're good for! ;-) Flame
> retardant flight suit being donned...
>
> Ken Brooks
> Roscoe, IL
>
>
Your EEka.
That depends on whether you spell it with a Hobbs or a Tach.
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Subject: | Re: Tach VS Hobbs; was Wiring Hobbs and 12Volt |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
> If I cruised all the time at 2300 rpm and finally tore down my engine at
> the recomended TBO or 2000 hours, my tach would say 2300 hours and my
hobbs
> report 2232 hours.
Gary,
Makes general sense, but you lost me there.
At recommended 2000hr TBO, your tach would say 2300hrs AND the Hobbs
2232hrs? ? ? I don't get that one as they BOTH are in excess of 2000hrs??
So what about a 2000hr TBO then?
Konrad
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Subject: | Re: RE: Tach VS Hobbs; was Wiring Hobbs and 12Volt |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
That's what you get for using a pencil..... ;-)
Laird
Do Not Archive
>--> RV-List message posted by: "zilik@direcpc.com" <zilik@direcpc.com>
>
>If I cruised all the time at 2300 rpm and finally tore down my engine at
>the recomended TBO or 2000 hours, my tach would say 2300 hours and my hobbs
>report 2232 hours.
>
>This should have read : my tach would say 2000 hours and my hobbs would
>report 2232 hours.
>
>I shoulda proof read my post
>
>Gary
>
>Original Message:
>-----------------
>From: zilik@direcpc.com zilik@direcpc.com
>Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:06:29 -0500
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Tach VS Hobbs; was Wiring Hobbs and 12Volt
>
>
>Well that depends on what you consider accurate.
>
>A hobbs meter is very accurate at measuring time, just like your watch.
>This is great for measuring flight time for your logbook and engine time
>also. This is a true accurate measurement of time (hours, minutes and
>seconds)
>
>The tachometer measures revolutions, not time. Im my case my tachometer
>measures 1 unit(hour?) at 2566 rpm. This works out to 153960 rotations of
>the old crank for 1 unit of time measured on the tach. So if I cruise at
>2566 rpm and hour on the hobbs and tach are both the same. If I cruise at
>2700 rpm then my tach will measure 1.052 hours for each hobbs hour and at a
>2300 rpm cruise my tach will report 0.896 hours for said hobbs hour.
>
>So if I run my engine hard (racing to breakfast) I would actually have to
>change my oil (25 hour interval) sooner that the hobbs would suggest. The
>hobbs would report 23.764 hours.
>
>Now if I take my time going to breakfast and do a little sight-seeing and
>run at 2300 rpm then I get to change my oil a little later using the tach
>as my guide. The hobbs would report 27.9 hours but my tach would report 25.
>
>If I cruised all the time at 2300 rpm and finally tore down my engine at
>the recomended TBO or 2000 hours, my tach would say 2300 hours and my hobbs
>report 2232 hours.
>
>The above examples do not take into account taxi, climout or anything but
>cruise but I mostly cruise so its a moot point.
>
>I stand by that the old tach is a better measurement of time for
>maintainence on the engine in that it is slaved to rpm and not time. In
>short, your engine wears out faster using hobbs time.
>
>Gary, no Hobbs, Zilik
>RV-6A 471.2 tach hours (at varying rpm)
>
>The math may be inaccurate as I used my trusty ole pencil.
>
>
>Original Message:
>-----------------
>From: Wayne R. Couture commando@cox-internet.com
>Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 06:50:36 -0600
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Wiring Hobbs and 12Volt
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture"
><commando@cox-internet.com>
>
> True, that is the case with most certified aircraft, but if your tach is
>mechanical, which is more accurate?
>
>Do not archive
>
>> I beg to differ! On all of the aircraft I've owned, to include my RV,
>the
>> tachometer has a clock. My Hobbs is for my flight time only. If you have
>a
>> tach that has no clock, then you can use it for both functions. I've
>never
>> seen an A&P use my Hobbs for engine time. It's always the tach time.
>>
>> Jim Sears in KY
>> RV-6A N198JS
>> EAA Tech Counselor
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Holes in firewall |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 2/26/03 9:44:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,
shempdowling@earthlink.net writes:
<< Im wondering if I should have used stainless instead >>
IMHO, yes.
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, firewall forward
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Subject: | Re: lycoming fuel pump capacity? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?browse=engines&product=fi-in
stall
That's the AFP pump/filter and optional install kit that Van's sells for
$575 (or $507 for just the pump & filter). Jeff, you didn't mention which
type of aircraft, but the install kit is catered either to the 7 or the 8.
Here are some photos and notes on installing this kit in the RV-7:
http://www.rvproject.com/20030116.html
http://www.rvproject.com/20030120.html
Hope this helps,
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (canopy)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <mstewart@qa.butler.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: lycoming fuel pump capacity?
> --> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
>
> Absolutely Jeff you will need a new engine driven pump to take you from
the
> single digits psi to the high teen's.
> Yes also to a new electric pump and they are not cheap, at least the
> aviation ones are not. I believe an air flow perf. Pump which I have is in
> the $800 range. Cause its not just a pump, but bypass valves, overpressure
> returns etc all in one "pump" package.
>
> When you say you have a bendix injector, do you mean the flow metering
unit?
> Flow divider? Injectors and lines?
> You can see an AFP pump package here:
> http://www.airflowperformance.com/efp.htm
>
> BTW, AFP also sells bendix stuff so you can call them and they could
better
> tell you what to mate it all up with.
>
> You may find it cheaper to buy an entire kit from someone than piecemeal
> what you have.
> Good luck.
>
> Mike Stewart
> 0-360 w/ AFP system
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shemp [mailto:shempdowling@earthlink.net]
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: lycoming fuel pump capacity?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Shemp" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
>
> Help, I have an 0-360 that Im trying to convert to fuel injection. I have
a
> bendix fuel injector and am wondering if I need to upgrade my engine fuel
> pump to one of higher capacity. How about the electric pump requirements?
> Im thinking about buying Vans kit but Im not sure if I need all of it.
Has
> anyone else done this?
>
> Jeff Dowling
>
>
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Subject: | Use of GPS/ Another IFR question |
--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Nels,
Do you have a handheld GPS that you as the plane manufacturer certified to
ac-20-138a w/I the proceeding 120days?
Sorry, Could not resist.
I have properly inserted myself into the fire-sleeve for all answers to your
question.
On your ?, I say you can't shoot it, since the missed approach is part of
the published procedure and would violate the requirements for equipment
necessary to shoot the published approach. But I am definitely not confident
of my answer.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Nels Hanson [mailto:pa201950@yahoo.com]
Subject: Re: RV-List: Use of GPS/ Another IFR question
--> RV-List message posted by: Nels Hanson <pa201950@yahoo.com>
Not to get things stirred up again.....But I was
wondering about this situation. Let's assume I have
the equipment to do a non-precision approach(VOR),BUT
the published missed approach involved a piece of
equipment that my plane didn't have(such as ADF). The
reported ceiling is 200 ft. above the MDA. Can you
"legally" shoot the approach? Sorry to keep the pot
stirred,but it is relevant to my home airport and the
published missed approach procedures. It has never
happened(yet)because so far I've received radar
vectors for the missed approach.
--- Ken Brooks <kenbrooks@charter.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks"
> <kenbrooks@charter.net>
>
> Jim Brownfield's comments about the potential
> unavailability of GPS
> signals in the event of terrorist use of them is
> well taken. Just my
> luck, they'll encrypt the GPS signal, and at the
> same time we won't be
> able to get 100LL fuel anymore! I'll be grounded!
> Come to think of it,
> that would kind of be like...now, since I'm still
> building (sigh).
> Guess I'll have to look into installing an INS!
> "Honey, where's the
> checkbook?"
>
> Ken Brooks
> Roscoe, IL
> Do Not Archive (see, I remembered this time 8-)
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Use of GPS/ Another IFR question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Di Meo" <bdimeo@attbi.com>
If those conditions existed as described, in a word, NO.
Bob
> Let's assume I have
> the equipment to do a non-precision approach(VOR),BUT
> the published missed approach involved a piece of
> equipment that my plane didn't have(such as ADF). The
> reported ceiling is 200 ft. above the MDA. Can you
> "legally" shoot the approach?
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Subject: | Use of GPS/ Another IFR question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stanley Blanton" <stanb@door.net>
--> RV-List message posted by: Nels Hanson <pa201950@yahoo.com>
Not to get things stirred up again.....But I was
wondering about this situation. Let's assume I have
the equipment to do a non-precision approach(VOR),BUT
the published missed approach involved a piece of
equipment that my plane didn't have(such as ADF). The
reported ceiling is 200 ft. above the MDA. Can you
"legally" shoot the approach? Sorry to keep the pot
stirred,but it is relevant to my home airport and the
published missed approach procedures. It has never happened(yet)because so
far I've received radar vectors for the missed approach.
Nels,
My answer: Yes, if your GPS is approved for either enroute/terminal or
appoach operations.
Most of your questions are answered in AIM 1-1-21
http://www2.faa.gov/ATpubs/AIM/Chap1/aim0101.html#1-1-21.
Note that this is for a "legal" setup and operation.
In short an "approved" GPS can be substituted for an ADF or DME if the nav
fixes are in the database. This does not allow one to "legally" shoot an
approach only labeled as "ADF" with even an approach approved GPS. The
approach would have to be labeled "ADF/GPS".
There are a number a other restrictions that are described in the AIM.
Stan Blanton
stanb@door.net
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Subject: | Use of GPS/ Another IFR question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stanley Blanton" <stanb@door.net>
--> RV-List message posted by: Nels Hanson <pa201950@yahoo.com>
Not to get things stirred up again.....But I was
wondering about this situation. Let's assume I have
the equipment to do a non-precision approach(VOR),BUT
the published missed approach involved a piece of
equipment that my plane didn't have(such as ADF). The
reported ceiling is 200 ft. above the MDA. Can you
"legally" shoot the approach? Sorry to keep the pot
stirred,but it is relevant to my home airport and the
published missed approach procedures. It has never happened(yet)because so
far I've received radar vectors for the missed approach.
Nels,
My ahort answer: Yes, if your GPS is approved for either enroute/terminal or
appoach operations.
Most of your questions are answered in AIM 1-1-21
http://www2.faa.gov/ATpubs/AIM/Chap1/aim0101.html#1-1-21.
Note that this is for a "legal" setup and operation.
In short an "approved" GPS can be substituted for an ADF or DME if the nav
fixes are in the database. This does not allow one to "legally" shoot an
approach only labeled as "ADF" with even an approach approved GPS. The
approach would have to be labeled "ADF/GPS".
There are a number a other restrictions that are described in the AIM.
Stan Blanton
stanb@door.net
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Subject: | Re: Tach. vs Hobbs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
Where is the need for such CRITICAL computations in our fly-for-fun planes
???
The 2000 hr. TBO is RECOMMENDED time for other than for-hire aircraft.
My tac is fine with me even though I have both.
I didn't see a ; do not archive in that whole bunch !
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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--> RV-List message posted by: "R. Craig Chipley" <mechtech81@yahoo.com>
Listers, I will be in the Atlanta area on March 15,16.
If anybody can advise me of a good area to get a hotel
in. Thanks for the help.
Craig Chipley
RV-8A 198AB (res)
Wings
http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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Subject: | Re: Atlanta trip |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Craig,
Skip Atlanta and fly in to Peachtree/Del Kalb airport, the main FBO
there has a pilot's lounge with "everything" including a shower with towels
upon request, TV, on-line computer stuff, a bedroom, etc... I've folwn in
twice with my RV-4 and they treat me like king. They even keep sending me
Christmas cards.
Chuck
P.S. Please say "do not archive" on stuff like this.
----- Original Message -----
From: R. Craig Chipley <mechtech81@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Atlanta trip
> --> RV-List message posted by: "R. Craig Chipley" <mechtech81@yahoo.com>
>
> Listers, I will be in the Atlanta area on March 15,16.
> If anybody can advise me of a good area to get a hotel
> in. Thanks for the help.
>
> Craig Chipley
> RV-8A 198AB (res)
> Wings
>
> http://taxes.yahoo.com/
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Contact me off list.
Atlanta is a big place.
Mike
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: R. Craig Chipley
Subject: RV-List: Atlanta trip
--> RV-List message posted by: "R. Craig Chipley" <mechtech81@yahoo.com>
Listers, I will be in the Atlanta area on March 15,16.
If anybody can advise me of a good area to get a hotel
in. Thanks for the help.
Craig Chipley
RV-8A 198AB (res)
Wings
http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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Subject: | Re: Holes in firewall |
--> RV-List message posted by: Brian Armstrong <armstrbc@ucsub.colorado.edu>
yes, you should use stainless. aluminum does not stand up well at all to
fire.
--
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Shemp wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Shemp" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
>
> Since reading the post yesterday regarding a new stainless steel heat box, Im
a little concerned about the holes I patched on my firewall with .032 AL. I
removed the two thru-firewall fittings used to bring vent air into the cockpit
before the NACA scoops arrived and had to patch the holes. I samwiched the firewall
with the 032 and riveted it on. Im wondering if I should have used stainless
instead. Any opinions?
> Jeff Dowling
>
>
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Subject: | Raise your hand! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RW" <chiefs@teleport.com>
All those who intend to fly their RV's to SnF raise your hand.
All those who intend to get to SnF any way they can raise your other hand.
I have my other hand up.
Dick White
RV-8 N94DW
Old Crow
Newport, OR
Do not archive
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Subject: | Engine power loss in heavy rain |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Marvel <bmarvel@cox.net>
Scott:
Lost your phone number. Request you make a post on the list similar to
the message you left on my tape. If you don't want to in your name,
send me the info and I will post it for you.
Bill Marvel
--
Bill Marvel Home/office 310 832
7617
P.O. Box 784 Cell 310 293 2013
San Pedro, CA 90733 Fax 310 832 5334
One good deed beats 100 good intentions...
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Subject: | Re: Raise your hand! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Raise your hand!
>Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:19:32 -0800
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "RW" <chiefs@teleport.com>
>
>All those who intend to fly their RV's to SnF raise your hand.
>
>All those who intend to get to SnF any way they can raise your other hand.
>
>I have my other hand up.
>
>Dick White
>RV-8 N94DW
Dick,
I'm raising my hand. Guess which one? ;) Of course, I haven't seen the
arrival procedures on the SNF website yet, so if it doesn't totally freak me
out, I'll still go!
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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"C. W. Crane" <cwcrane@gbronline.com>
Subject: | Re: Gyro overhaul vendor |
--> RV-List message posted by: Will Cretsinger <cretsinger@ticnet.com>
Brian, I have used Stahl Air Instruments, Northwest Regional Airport
(Fort Worth), 817-430-8589, for overhaul and was well satisfied. I
suggest you give them a phone call.
Will Cretsinger, Arlington, Texas
Brian Denk wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
> Listers,
>
> My vacuum attitude indicator is in dire need of overhaul. Do any of you
> have a reputable, economical gyro overhaul vendor you like to deal with? I
> just want to swap out my Edo Aire for a like model.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
>
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Subject: | satellite radio on an RV? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Shemp" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
Has anyone tried using one of the satellite radio services (xm or stratius?) on
thier plane? I cant see why it wouldnt work.
Jeff Dowling
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Subject: | Bendix/King Color MAP MFD |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@attbi.com>
I working on pricing out my panel and I looked at Bendix/King KMD-150. I'm seeing
this for under 3K. Seem like a great deal compared to a Garmin 430. Does anyone
fly with the KMD-150? I know you get what you pay for but the Garmin is such
a pricy component.
Also, how do these moving maps handle doing aerobatics? Is it hard on them? Do
you just turn them off? Here is a link to the King I'm talking about.
Let me know what you think.
http://www.pacific-coast-avionics.com/detail.asp?id4627
Karie Daniel
Sammamish, WA
RV-7A QB
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