Today's Message Index:
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1. 02:56 AM - ANOTHER NEWBIE (MICK MULLER)
2. 03:19 AM - Free Speed (Jim Nolan)
3. 04:07 AM - paint booth for p r i m e r (Terry Jantzi)
4. 04:35 AM - Re: Fw: Garmin GPS 35/AnywhereMap feeding a NavAid (Mark Phillips)
5. 05:53 AM - Re: ANOTHER NEWBIE (John Starn)
6. 06:11 AM - Re: Air-Data Computer (Bob Japundza)
7. 06:25 AM - Re: RV3 Canopy (Scott Bilinski)
8. 07:40 AM - FreeSpeed (DAVID REEL)
9. 08:17 AM - Re: ANOTHER NEWBIE (Phil)
10. 08:36 AM - Dynon Update (Dan Checkoway)
11. 09:35 AM - OFF TOPIC - ISP's (Bill VonDane)
12. 09:41 AM - Jihostroj Governor compatible w/Hartzell? (Dan Checkoway)
13. 09:50 AM - Seeking review of Van's new seat cushions (Dan Checkoway)
14. 09:58 AM - Re: Free speed (kempthornes)
15. 10:20 AM - Re: Seeking review of Van's new seat cushions (Rob Miller)
16. 11:39 AM - Re: RV3-List: RV8 canopy slider parts for RV3 (Bruce Stewart)
17. 11:52 AM - Re: RV3 Canopy (Keith Vasey)
18. 02:47 PM - AnywhereMap and GPS35 and NavAid (John)
19. 02:53 PM - RV7 Tip Up Canopy (LarryRobertHelming)
20. 03:49 PM - RV 6A Line Art (David Schaefer)
21. 03:52 PM - Re: paint booth for p r i m e r (Bob Hassel)
22. 04:21 PM - Re: Free Speed (Bill Marvel)
23. 06:15 PM - Re: RV 6A Line Art (WPAerial@aol.com)
24. 06:22 PM - Re: Free Speed (Charlie & Tupper England)
25. 06:49 PM - Re: RV7 Tip Up Canopy (Steve J Hurlbut)
26. 07:19 PM - Re: RV 6A Line Art (Bill VonDane)
27. 07:29 PM - Torquing bolts on c/s Prop (Richard Dudley)
28. 07:38 PM - Canopy Seal (DFaile@aol.com)
29. 10:05 PM - Free Speed (Gary Graham)
30. 10:06 PM - Re: Free Speed (WILLMINCEY@aol.com)
31. 10:14 PM - Subject: Re: Flap Hinge Pin Safety? (Rob W M Shipley)
32. 10:33 PM - Re: Free speed (Stan & Eilene VanGrunsven)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "MICK MULLER" <MULLERPHARM@bigpond.com>
After lurking for a few months, I am outing myself so to speak. Yesterday, I received
delivery of my RV9A empennage kit. I didn't tell my wife of course, but
opening it all up was better than sex! (And it lasted longer too!). I have inventoried
everything, and it all seems to be there. However, when looking at the
doublers, I noticed there was a small but distinct bend in them. Is this ok,
or should I request some new ones?
Mick Muller - the third RV9 builder in Australia.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Nolan" <jimnolan@insightbb.com>
I've got to agree with Bill Marvel, I have an RV4 that the back seat passenger
freezes to death in. The canopy doesn't even need a latch in flight. I don't
think I could get it open if I tried. The pressure outside is a lot higher
than inside.
As far as getting a speed increase with a hole in the belly of the airplane.
I'd like to know how. If I got any more pressure out, I'd implode. Once in cruise
mode I don't bother looking at the airspeed indicator anyway. It'll read
anything you want depending on the outside temp and altitude. I use a GPS to
tell me how fast I'm going. I use the airspeed indicator for takeoff and landings.
If a canopy swells in flight due to air pressure from the inside, the builder
forgot to install the firewall.
Just a thought
Jim Nolan
N444JN
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| Subject: | paint booth for p r i m e r |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Jantzi" <terry@iwantarocket.com>
I pretty sure the primer issue has been settled over the years:-) However I
needed to prime the wing skins before nailing them on. So... another paint
booth and a fresh air mask idea at
http://www.iwantarocket.com/paint_booth.htm. Any brain damage I accumulate
now will need a new excuse.
Terry
http://www.iwantarocket.com
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin GPS 35/AnywhereMap feeding a NavAid |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
>
> Mark, glad to hear you got your shop back on the wheels after that wind
> storm...... ;-)
A blessing in disguise- it fell on a pile of beer cans & flattened 'em out real
nice-
save me from ordering more aluminum from Wicks!
> Interesting. I looked at the PCFlight thang at the Big Show last summer
> but kinda wrote it off since AnywhereMap seemed a lot more
> sofisti......soffista........purty. However, I thank we are gonna see
> more 'n more stuff that will drive the PDA's, and some of it is gonna be
> real good.
Yessir on both counts- difference is the Control Vision stuff doesn't have the
airdata
interface yet, or at least I didn't see it on their website. But like ya say,
I figure
as the software battles heat up, we'll be seein' all manner of cool stuff on these
things, and bigger/better display devices. When those arrive in a few years I'll
just
open up the holes in my panel where the Axims were & put the new toys in.
> I have always been able to read the 3765 iPAQ screen, but some light
> conditions are better than others. You know how the air gits real green
> right agin a big thunderstorm? It shows up real good then........
...Ah gits purty green too- that's when I punch NRST 8-) I did take an Axim
out for a
drive in the truck yesterday and was actually pretty happy with the display- the
important stuff (a/s, alt & waypoint info) uses high contrast white characters
over black
backgrounds, so they're fairly easy to see.
> Better let you go......one of the cars fell off the blocks last
> night.......probably got knocked off when those stupid dogs started
> fightin'......or whatever it is they do when they git all stirred up.
Well Sam ya just gotta tell 'em how purty they are ever now & then, so's they don't
fight
so much- or mayhaps they seen a 'possum & that got 'em all bothered or sumthin...
From the PossumWorks in Podunk
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: ANOTHER NEWBIE |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Congrats on getting started. However if you "inventory" everything at home
you might find that sex would last longer too. Doing a complete "inventory"
also helps at home when you go to order the engine. The first RV-9A at APV
took flight just last week. I'll ask him about the stiffners & advise but I
think others will answer your question before I see him again. 8<) Great to
have you aboard. HRII 571FS. KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: "MICK MULLER" <MULLERPHARM@bigpond.com>
Subject: RV-List: ANOTHER NEWBIE
all up was better than sex! (And it lasted longer too!). I have inventoried
everything,
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| Subject: | Re: Air-Data Computer |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob Japundza <bjapundza@yahoo.com>
Richard,
Aren't you the designer of this instrument? Seems to
me it is a bit misleading to say "a buddy turned me
onto this". I recall your article in Circuit Cellar
about the unit.
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying, F1 QB under const.
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Time: 01:48:39 AM PST US
From: richard soennichsen <richas@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Air-Data Computer
--> RV-List message posted by: richard soennichsen
<richas@yahoo.com>
Hey all,
A buddy turned me onto this (the creators
presented at the local
EAA meeting),
a Hell of a value in flight computers. Check it out:
www.fdatasystems.com
Richard
http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
There is a group of 6 (?) yellow RV-3's in the mid west that run on
alcohol. If I remember correctly they have slider canopies. Thats all the
info I have.
At 03:16 PM 3/3/03 -0800, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Rosenberg" <ronr@medicalpmrg.com>
>
>Listers:
>
>I'm flying an RV3 with a tip-over canopy. I'm not the builder. I'd like to
>investigate what it will take to fabricate/install/purchase a slider.
>Anyone have any info on the slider for the 3??
>
>Ron Rosenberg, PA, MPH
>Practice Management Resource Group
>325 Pine St., Sausalito, CA 94965
>Sausalito Office -(415)925-4334
>Chicago Office - (312) 543-5480
>www.medicalpmrg.com
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
Curtis Hinkley replaced the access panels on the fuselage sides at the tail of
his RV8 with louvered versions from a home depot item. He reported this sucked
the canopy back down onto the fuselage, eliminating reverse airflow at the rear
and bulging at the sides. No data on whether this changed static pressure
or actual airspeed though. But it would be easy to swap panels. Do you have
any further info at this time Curtis?
Dave Reel - RV8A
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil" <Phil@camsnet.com>
Hello Mick,
Don't confuse a bow w/ a bend. If there is an actual bend in the Doubler
than yes you need a replacement.
If there is a bow in the piece over the length of the Doubler than the
important thing is that the holes
are in the right location. The bow is from the fabrication process. Once the
Doubler is cloced to the spars
you should be ok.
And for the sex part, I had to beg before the airplane, now she begs. LOL
Best regards,
Phil 78
0
90329 Working on the wings
--> RV-List message posted by: "MICK MULLER" <MULLERPHARM@bigpond.com>
> After lurking for a few months, I am outing myself so to speak. Yesterday,
I received delivery of my RV9A empennage > > kit. I didn't tell my wife of
course, but opening it all up was better than sex! (And it lasted longer
too!). I have > inventoried everything, and it all seems to be there.
However, when looking at the doublers, I noticed there was a > > small but
distinct bend in them. Is this ok, or should I request some new ones?
> Mick Muller - the third RV9 builder in Australia.
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<SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
For those of you wondering about the Dynon EFIS-D10, here are some facts
(just got off the phone with DD):
1) Yes, Dynon Development has started taking orders and is in the process of
selling and shipping the first 100 units.
2) As of right now, a "user calibration procedure" is required to ensure
that the magnetic heading feature will work properly. I was told it WILL
NOT work out of the box without this procedure, which involves going up with
a laptop connected to the unit to perform the calibration. This is required
to get the magnetic heading to read properly.
3) In approximately one month, the user calibration procedure will no longer
be required on units shipped thereafter.
4) After the 100-unit production run, Dynon will mass produce a batch of
about 1000 units.
5) Before any price increase goes into effect, we will have "adequate
notice" and an opportunity to buy at the original price. I interpret this
to mean: keep an eye on the web site, because that's where the price
increase will be announced.
Hope this helps,
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (can of pee)
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | OFF TOPIC - ISP's |
vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Sorry people... I need a good, cheap, dial-up ISP...
Any recommendations?
-Bill
do not archive
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| Subject: | Jihostroj Governor compatible w/Hartzell? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
PROP GOV MT P-420-3 PROPELLER GOVERNOR $1050.00
I believe this is the Jihostroj governor (read about this in the latest
RVator). While I was originally planning on using this governor with the
Whirlwind 150 prop, now that I'm going with the Hartzell C2YK I'm wondering
if it's compatible. Anybody know?
From what I've seen, the Jihostroj is lighter and cheaper. But I think it
operates at higher pressure...is that an issue? Any reason not to use it
with the Hartzell C2YK on an IO-360-A1B6?
Thanks in advance,
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (canopy)
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Seeking review of Van's new seat cushions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
CA SEAT SET 7/9 FOAM/PATTERN 2 SEATS $190.00
Has anybody tried these yet? Any good? Comparison to Oregon Aero,
Cleaveland, GBI?
Price sure is attractive...
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)_( Dan
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--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 02:14 PM 3/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Norman" <jgnorman@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>.........There is very little free in life
You're bumming me out, Jim. I always thought the best things in life were
free.
My Debonair has a reverse scoop on the belly to let cabin pressure out.
My RV6a must surely have positive pressure in the cabin when the eyeball
vents are open. I suspect negative pressure when they are closed. Surely,
no physics or aerodynamics needed to find a way to have either positive or
negative pressure inside relative to ambient.
I recall from my struggles with physics that the fun part was the lab with
EXPERIMENTATION. I believe it superior to speculation.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Seeking review of Van's new seat cushions |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Miller <rmill2000@yahoo.com>
Dan
I have seen these seats up close and personal.
While I am not an expert on the subject, I attended an aircraft seat
building seminar and then built up my own seats in both my Grumman Cheetah
and my RV-8.
To my admittedly novice eye, these seat sets appear to be constructed with
ordinary open-celled foam mixed with a one inch layer of medium Confor
foam.
In my build-ups, I used three inches of various density Confor foam
combined with soft open celled foam to build up the edges and as a
base.--This cost about $250 for my plane (Confor foam is REALLY
expensive).
So, if you purchase the same raw material as the kit, I'm guessing you
could come in around $100 or so. Spend more and you could build yourself
more comfort, with the seats customized to your needs.
That's my two cents
Rob Miller
-8 N262RM 47 hours.
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>
> Has anybody tried these yet? Any good? Comparison to Oregon Aero,
> Cleaveland, GBI?
>
> Price sure is attractive...
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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| Subject: | Re: RV3-List: RV8 canopy slider parts for RV3 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Stewart" <bruce.stewart1@bigpond.com>
Hi Rick,
I've had a look at the plans and from what I can see the canopy
parts for the 3 are probably unique to that type. The slider is
surprisingly simple and it would not be hard to make all the bits and
pieces from the plans.
To try and answer the questions.
1. There are milled nylon blocks which form the "front sliders"
as it were, they are 3/4 x 3/4 x 15/16 blocks which attach to and run
paralell with a longeron. No rollers here, friction/ loose fit.
2.There is a 1/2" hoop as it were which attach's to the "front screen" and
to a longeron, is this your area of question? I'd be very surprised if there
was
any similarity between the 3 and 8 or 9.
3. The latch is a straight forward affair and may be compatable with other
types like the 8 but it was designed a long time before the 8 was
probably even thought about, see section F-F dwg 34, 1984 and onwards.
I know I didn't help much.
Bruce
> --> RV3-List message posted by: "Rick Fogerson" <rickf@cableone.net>
>
> Does anyone know if any of the parts Van's supplies in the slider kits for
planes such as the RV8, 9, etc. will work for the RV3. I'm thinking of
things like the:
>
> 1) rolling slider on the front of the canopy
> 2) windscreen/longeron attach bracket
> 3) canopy latch system
>
> thanks for any advise,
> Rick Fogerson,
> RV3 finish kit
> Boise, ID
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Keith Vasey" <keith@galvinflying.com>
My father is just completing his -3. He blew his own slider canopy. In fact,
by the time he got it right he had created three perfect canopies. He still
has one surplus canopy. I don't know if he's interested in parting with it,
but if you would like to talk with him I'll ask.
Keith Vasey
RV-8
Seattle
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott Bilinski
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV3 Canopy
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
There is a group of 6 (?) yellow RV-3's in the mid west that run on
alcohol. If I remember correctly they have slider canopies. Thats all the
info I have.
At 03:16 PM 3/3/03 -0800, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Rosenberg" <ronr@medicalpmrg.com>
>
>Listers:
>
>I'm flying an RV3 with a tip-over canopy. I'm not the builder. I'd like
to
>investigate what it will take to fabricate/install/purchase a slider.
>Anyone have any info on the slider for the 3??
>
>Ron Rosenberg, PA, MPH
>Practice Management Resource Group
>325 Pine St., Sausalito, CA 94965
>Sausalito Office -(415)925-4334
>Chicago Office - (312) 543-5480
>www.medicalpmrg.com
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | AnywhereMap and GPS35 and NavAid |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
Attn Sam Buchanan
After puzzling several days about how to make my AnywhereMap/GPS unit work
with my Smart Coupler/NavAid wing leveler I finally got it going.
I had used a Lowrance to feed the NavAid..that worked just fine, but I
wanted a back up in case the Lowrance pooped out at an inopportune monent.
The iPAQ model 3765, I finally determined, has GRB GRC sentences of the NMEA
0183 data strings out put on pin #7 of the iPAQ plug, a red wire. I opened
the cable about 6-inches from the plug, cut the red wire and taped it
back...(see Control Vision Corp archive topic #632), and took the NMEA
output from the iPAQ out to a small cylinder where a mic jack was
installed. I can simply connect that into the panel mic jack that usually
fed the Lowrance (for its 12-volts and the NMEA input data for the
NavAid)....
I got an immediate lock on indication on the Smart Coupler when I connected
the iPAQ/AnywhereMap/GPS35 system into the existing Lowrance input.
Finally !!!
John at Salida, CO
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| Subject: | RV7 Tip Up Canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
(If you don't have a tip up, delete this message please {:-))
I am looking at the slot pre-cut in forward skin F-771 above the canopy
WD-716 hinge that is between & above blocks C-618 & C-617.
With long-term maintenance in mind, I am wondering what to cover/fill the
slot with to keep out water and make it look decent at local fly-ins while
keeping function. If anyone has already made this giant step for RV7/RV7A
tip-up builders and see it holding paint well and keeping water out, I'm
interested in knowing how you went about doing it.
I am also interested in knowing if anyone with tip up has installed
fiberglass reinforcement in the canopy frame.
Larry in Indiana, RV7 Tip-up
Working on Canopy of Finish Kit
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--> RV-List message posted by: "David Schaefer" <dschaefer1@kc.rr.com>
Does anyone have RV6-A Line drawings so I can begin working on a paint
scheme? I would have thought Van had them on his web site but I can't
find them. I would like to find them in a layered format such as Adobe
Illustrator or Corel Draw or AutoCAD or one of the drawing programs.
Regards,
David
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| Subject: | paint booth for p r i m e r |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" <bob@hassel-usa.com>
Great idea!
Bob Hassel
RV9A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry Jantzi
Subject: RV-List: paint booth for p r i m e r
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Jantzi" <terry@iwantarocket.com>
I pretty sure the primer issue has been settled over the years:-) However I
needed to prime the wing skins before nailing them on. So... another paint
booth and a fresh air mask idea at
http://www.iwantarocket.com/paint_booth.htm. Any brain damage I accumulate
now will need a new excuse.
Terry
http://www.iwantarocket.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Marvel <bmarvel@cox.net>
Jim:
It looks to me that in addition to the air flow problem we both have, you probably
also have a static system leak. How long has it been since you had a pitot/static
check? If the ASI works fine at low speeds and then goes haywire as
speed picks up and interior pressures change, there has to be a leak somewhere.
Bill Marvel
Jim Nolan wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Nolan" <jimnolan@insightbb.com>
>
> I've got to agree with Bill Marvel, I have an RV4 that the back seat passenger
freezes to death in. The canopy doesn't even need a latch in flight. I
don't think I could get it open if I tried. The pressure outside is a lot higher
than inside.
> As far as getting a speed increase with a hole in the belly of the airplane.
I'd like to know how. If I got any more pressure out, I'd implode. Once in
cruise mode I don't bother looking at the airspeed indicator anyway. It'll read
anything you want depending on the outside temp and altitude. I use a GPS to
tell me how fast I'm going. I use the airspeed indicator for takeoff and landings.
> If a canopy swells in flight due to air pressure from the inside, the builder
forgot to install the firewall.
> Just a thought
> Jim Nolan
> N444JN
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV 6A Line Art |
--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
isn't there one in the preview plans? is that what u mean
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--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
Jim Nolan wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Nolan" <jimnolan@insightbb.com>
>
> I've got to agree with Bill Marvel, I have an RV4 that the back seat passenger
freezes to death in. The canopy doesn't even need a latch in flight. I
don't think I could get it open if I tried. The pressure outside is a lot higher
than inside.
> As far as getting a speed increase with a hole in the belly of the airplane.
I'd like to know how. If I got any more pressure out, I'd implode. Once in
cruise mode I don't bother looking at the airspeed indicator anyway. It'll read
anything you want depending on the outside temp and altitude. I use a GPS to
tell me how fast I'm going. I use the airspeed indicator for takeoff and landings.
> If a canopy swells in flight due to air pressure from the inside, the builder
forgot to install the firewall.
>Just a thought
>Jim Nolan
>N444JN
>
For anyone out there who might still be building a -4 or might purchase
one in the future, Jim is pulling your leg a bit (at least I hope he is).
It's been empirically proven that -4 canopies will depart if unlatched
in flight .
Please forgive me for stating the obvious.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: RV7 Tip Up Canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve J Hurlbut" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
I would not make this cutout if its the slot I think you're talking about.
The reason for that slot is to be able to push the canopy all the way
forward during
an emergency release. Most do not make the cut since releasing the canopy in
a hurry
is not possible. To just take the canopy off, the cutouts are not needed.
Steve
RV7A
Wiring
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Subject: RV-List: RV7 Tip Up Canopy
> --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
>
> (If you don't have a tip up, delete this message please {:-))
>
> I am looking at the slot pre-cut in forward skin F-771 above the canopy
> WD-716 hinge that is between & above blocks C-618 & C-617.
>
> With long-term maintenance in mind, I am wondering what to cover/fill the
> slot with to keep out water and make it look decent at local fly-ins while
> keeping function. If anyone has already made this giant step for
RV7/RV7A
> tip-up builders and see it holding paint well and keeping water out, I'm
> interested in knowing how you went about doing it.
>
> I am also interested in knowing if anyone with tip up has installed
> fiberglass reinforcement in the canopy frame.
>
> Larry in Indiana, RV7 Tip-up
> Working on Canopy of Finish Kit
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV 6A Line Art |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
http://www.vondane.com/rv8a/paint/index.htm
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Schaefer" <dschaefer1@kc.rr.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV 6A Line Art
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Schaefer" <dschaefer1@kc.rr.com>
Does anyone have RV6-A Line drawings so I can begin working on a paint
scheme? I would have thought Van had them on his web site but I can't
find them. I would like to find them in a layered format such as Adobe
Illustrator or Corel Draw or AutoCAD or one of the drawing programs.
Regards,
David
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| Subject: | Torquing bolts on c/s Prop |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Those who have already mounted their Hartzell C/S props have solved the
problem of applying the proper torque to the bolts.
For those who have not, I have made a search of several potential
sources to find an adaptor/extension for a 1/2" drive torque wrench that
will fit in the space an turn the 5/8" head. (there is not room for a
socket or box end wrench or a crowfoot)
Hartzell has an adaptor/extension for $300 - no way. MSC has nothing,
Snap-on has nothing. The local prop shop person said that their solution
was to weld a socket onto a 5/8" open end wrench to avoid the cost of a
one time use tool.
Then, I looked at my Sears "Professional" 5/8" combination open end/box
end 12 point wrench. Voila!!! The 1/2" drive of the torque wrench fits
well in the 5/8" box end. With the proper correction for the combination
wrench length, it works as an adaptor/extension that fits in the space.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
-6A FWF
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--> RV-List message posted by: DFaile@aol.com
Building an RV6 Tip up. I cannot locate any archive (archive error)
information on how to apply a seal to the sides of the canopy. My tip up side
skins are butting (not overlapping). What kind of seal works with this type
of installation and what other information can you provide?
Thank you for responding on or off list.
david faile
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--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Graham <beeb@teleport.com>
For all that need real data on reverse air flow in an RV-4, (someone took
this thread there) lend me your eyes.
To make a long story short, I had raw gas exit my cowl as a 1/4 in. stream.
It cleaned the center belly back past the aft wing line where separation and
vaporization got the better of it.
The fumes got the better of me (severe). They entered through the tail cone
and and flowed forward into the cockpit. There are several sources that
document this effect.
If you are concerned about CO getting to your nose, then I suggest that you
do nothing about reverse air flow through the fuselage and you will get the
greatest concentration. On the other hand, you could do as pointed out by
Ron VanB.....when he described systems used to improve air flow in Comanche
airframes. Exhaust system outlet design can help keep exhaust out of the
boundary layer. Also: Monitor CO, especially on long flights
If you decide to do your own aroma tests Don't use Gas, OK? Try essence of
Skunk in your smoke system.
Tip: Boot the aileron and elevator push tubes. Cover those big lightening
holes in the aft vertical bulkhead. Open air flow passages through the
baggage area. Install a low pressure venting devise in the aft fuselage at
approximately the leading edge of the tail section. Enjoy the greatly
improved comfort.
Oh, I forgot, while you're at it clamp down the canopy and fix the leak in
the static system. You will get a lot of extra FREE SPEED, ... or maybe
not.
_______
\/)"(\/
(_o_) ruff!!!!!!
/ \/)
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oo-oo
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--> RV-List message posted by: WILLMINCEY@aol.com
I fly the mighty RV-3 and yes I have the recommended hook to keep low
pressure from raising the tail of the canopy (slider). I froze each winter
until I fabricated the piece as suggested in the early RVator magazine.
Yes, it was good for at least 3mph and I now can fly without a jacket in the
winter.(I have a heater).
My hangermate also has an RV-3 and a canopy hook is installed with the same
results.
I went a step farther and replaced the inspection plates with a plate with 20
3/16in holes shaped/looks like a cheese grader. This keeps the wings from
pumping air into the cockpit so strong. I don't need boots around the flight
controls now.
By the way, I installed Van's two piece wheel pants and yes they produced the
additional airspeed as advertised.
Will Mincey
RV-3 N81TD
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Hinge Pin Safety? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" <Rob@RobsGlass.com>
"I am a pilot who built a plane and not a A&P or pro of any kind, but we just
put a countersunk pop rivet in the hole. No rubbing on the aileron and NO
way the hingle pin can come out.
Drill it out when you need to work on the flap and then re pop rivet the
hole.
Keep it simple _______ (KISS) works for me.
Tom Gummo Apple Valley, CA "
Absolutely the best idea I've heard! This is how mine will be done.
Thanks
Rob
Rob W M Shipley
RV9A N919RV Fuselage.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stan & Eilene VanGrunsven" <stanvan@pacifier.com>
I can talk of RV-6A slider canopies. When Jerry and I finished ours, He
did all the initial flights. He flew through a not so rare rain shower
which left much water on the baggage area cover. I went up with him as
leak observer; in the fumbling around, my jacket sleeve nearly got sucked
out the canopy side gap above the wing, which makes sense. When we put a
good "V" seal in this area to keep the outflow in check, the inflow from
the rear skirt diminished substantially. We did use "V" seal on the rear
skirt facing backward to further hamper inflow.
SEAL THE OUTFLOW ABOVE THE WING FIRST, then work on the incidentals.
Our 6A has all the old "go slow" leg fairings, wheel pants, step on each
side; and when flown beside an identical 6A with no steps, "go fast"
fairings and pants, weighing 220 lbs. less; he had a 3 mph advantage
(GPS measured).
Best Wishes,
Stan VanGrunsven
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Oke" <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Free speed
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Sound advice about the lack of a "free lunch" (or airspeed in this case).
In principle, yes, there will always be reduced pressure outside the
canopy/fuselage compared to inside. If a canopy air leak is present, the
leaking "high pressure" air could in theory disrupt the flow in the
canopy
area causing flow separation and a corresponding drag increase. Glider
pilots go to some lengths in sealing their canopies for this reason and
also
often seal aileron and elevator hinge gaps to avoid lower surface to
upper
surface (high to low) pressure air leakage.
Having said this, an RV-6 canopy will be subjected to a highly turbulent,
swirling flow from the propeller and it is hard to imagine a canopy air
leak
big enough to compete with this sort of flow and cause an unusual flow
separation.
The question is if there is an area of separated flow around an RV-6
canopy
that can be shown to be caused by air leaking out past the edges of the
canopy. If yes, then the trade off to consider is if the drag caused by
an
additional air inlet in the fuselage underside is greater or lesser than
the
drag resulting from the flow separation caused by the leaking air. That
would be the "lunch deal" that is actually on offer.
Can anyone else report on the "before vs. after" results of sealing an RV
canopy? A 5 mph increase in cruise speed would represent a fair bit of
drag
reduction in horsepower terms.
Jim Oke
RV-6A (at the airport, but still too $%
& cold for an engine run)
Winnipeg, MB
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