Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:11 AM - Paint on canopies (Jim Jewell)
2. 03:19 AM - Re: Free Speed (Richard Dallmann)
3. 04:35 AM - SportAir RV workshop (Paul Parashak)
4. 07:05 AM - Remote mag sensing, was "Re: Dynon Update" (Miller Robert)
5. 07:11 AM - Re: Paint on canopies (Rob Miller)
6. 07:12 AM - Re: SportAir RV workshop (BARRY POTE)
7. 08:17 AM - Re: Paint on canopies (Ken Harrill)
8. 08:55 AM - Rear Spar (Jim Duckett)
9. 09:08 AM - Paint on Canopies (Jim Duckett)
10. 09:21 AM - IO-360 prop governer housing (Gert)
11. 09:28 AM - Re: RV9-A QB fuselage (kempthornes)
12. 10:28 AM - IO-360 prop governer housing (Gert)
13. 11:20 AM - Re: Paint on canopies (Garth Shearing)
14. 01:00 PM - Re: Altimeter heads up (Van Artsdalen, Scott)
15. 01:37 PM - Re: Altimeter heads up (Scott Brumbelow)
16. 01:38 PM - Re: Altimeter heads up (John Starn)
17. 02:08 PM - Re: Altimeter heads up (C. Rabaut)
18. 02:33 PM - Re: Altimeter heads up (Bill Dube)
19. 02:45 PM - Re: Altimeter heads up (Dr. Leathers)
20. 03:00 PM - Re: RV9-A QB fuselage (Dave Bristol)
21. 03:50 PM - For Sale (was:Altimeter heads up) (Al Mojzisik)
22. 04:46 PM - Re: For Sale (was:Altimeter heads up) (C. Rabaut)
23. 04:54 PM - Re: Altimeter heads up (rv6tc)
24. 04:56 PM - Re: Altimeter heads up (rv6tc)
25. 05:33 PM - Re: For Sale (was:Altimeter heads up) (Arthur Nation)
26. 05:37 PM - crimping big terminals (Steve J Hurlbut)
27. 06:25 PM - >Re: Crimping Big Terminals (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
28. 06:39 PM - Re: For Sale (was:Altimeter heads up) (John Starn)
29. 08:15 PM - For Sale (was:Altimeter heads up) (Al Mojzisik)
30. 10:20 PM - Re: VM Fuel Flow Sender needed (Vanremog@aol.com)
31. 11:02 PM - Re: VM Fuel Flow Sender needed (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle))
32. 11:06 PM - Re: RV9-A QB fuselage (kempthornes)
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| Subject: | Paint on canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Can anyone tell me if there are kinds of paint that should not be used on Plexiglas?
Conversely what paints are considered safe?
I want to paint around the edges of the inside perimeter of the windshield section
so as to provide a cleaner finished appearance after the epoxy and glass bonding
is done.
Earlier there was some amount of discussion re-chemicals that reacted with Plexiglas
and I did not see any reference to paints and there effects.
do not archive Jim in Kelowna
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Dallmann" <rcdallmann@erols.com>
take me off your email list
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
WILLMINCEY@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Free Speed
--> RV-List message posted by: WILLMINCEY@aol.com
I fly the mighty RV-3 and yes I have the recommended hook to keep low
pressure from raising the tail of the canopy (slider). I froze each winter
until I fabricated the piece as suggested in the early RVator magazine.
Yes, it was good for at least 3mph and I now can fly without a jacket in the
winter.(I have a heater).
My hangermate also has an RV-3 and a canopy hook is installed with the same
results.
I went a step farther and replaced the inspection plates with a plate with
20
3/16in holes shaped/looks like a cheese grader. This keeps the wings from
pumping air into the cockpit so strong. I don't need boots around the
flight
controls now.
By the way, I installed Van's two piece wheel pants and yes they produced
the
additional airspeed as advertised.
Will Mincey
RV-3 N81TD
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| Subject: | SportAir RV workshop |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Parashak <pavel_gaijin@yahoo.com>
I am a future 7A builder at the preview plans stage,
as I like to say. I am going to the Atlanta March RV
workshop, and I would like to ask some questions of
those who have attended these in the past.
What questions do you wish you asked at the time?
What skills do you wish you learned there that weren't
taught?
How many instructors per student were there?
Regards,
Paul Parashak
http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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| Subject: | Remote mag sensing, was "RE: Dynon Update" |
--> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
> 1) Does the thin but still stainless steel firewall about 12-14" away from
> the display unit present enough of a potential magnetic snag to worry about
> it, or would nearby TC gyro motors and avionics and stuff like that be more
> likely culprits?
>
I've been thinking about exactly this.... for a while.
This issue is of concern in that I wish to use a panel mount whiskey compass
(will be using a tip-up, and prefer the compass on the panel in any case).
Will almost certainly use an EFIS, as well.
1. It seems to me that the firewall, if stainless, should not affect the mag
compass.
Only bright steel is an issue. Problem is, a number of different alloys of
steel are sold under the description "stainless".
Just need to put a compass near the firewall and test this directly.
2. The avionics and electric motors of any mechanical gyros will all have an
electro-magnetic field around them. This is obviously, an issue.
The compass needs good compensators that are well adjusted. Compensators will
have to be adjusted once panel is all together, in plane, and everything is
on. If you change anything in the future (even velcroing a handheld GPS nearby
on the panel), compensation may again be required.
3. So, it seems to me that remote mounting of mag sensors for the EFIS may be
helpful. Remember, though, that even electric wiring may have a surrounding
field. Of course, the inverse square law applies.... so as you increase the
distance, the effect on the mag sensors drops off with the square of the
distance.
Conclusion: No perfect installation, but "good enough" should be achievable.
Robert Miller
Dan Checkoway wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> > Our optional remote compass module allows you to place the magnetic
> > sensors in a location away from any interference and thus minimizes
> > the problems stated above. However, for it to be accurate, it has
> > to be precisely aligned with the EFIS-D10 (including any tilt.)
> > The calibration process described above will relax the requirements
> > on alignment and allow for an easier installation of the remote
> > compass module.
>
> Doug,
>
> This seems like the best way to go...putting the remote sensor in the aft
> fuselage (i.e. RV-7) where there's little or no steel nearby. And with a
> SmartTool or digital protractor I'm sure getting the thing precisely aligned
> wouldn't be a huge deal.
>
> 1) Does the thin but still stainless steel firewall about 12-14" away from
> the display unit present enough of a potential magnetic snag to worry about
> it, or would nearby TC gyro motors and avionics and stuff like that be more
> likely culprits?
>
> 2) Assuming we go with a remote magnetic sensor, what's the wiring
> requirement there...what size/# of wires, any length limitations, etc.?
>
> Thanks again,
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (canopy)
> http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Paint on canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Miller <rmill2000@yahoo.com>
Jim
I used epoxy flat black spray paint on mine. I tested it first on a piece
of scrap, letting it sit for a week and examining it carefully for any
reaction before applying it to the windscreen edges.
Rob Miller
-8 N262RM "Bad Cat" 47 hours
--- Jim Jewell <jjewell@telus.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>
> Can anyone tell me if there are kinds of paint that should not be used
> on Plexiglas? Conversely what paints are considered safe?
> I want to paint around the edges of the inside perimeter of the
> windshield section so as to provide a cleaner finished appearance after
> the epoxy and glass bonding is done.
> Earlier there was some amount of discussion re-chemicals that reacted
> with Plexiglas and I did not see any reference to paints and there
> effects.
>
> do not archive Jim in Kelowna
>
>
>
>
>
>
http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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| Subject: | Re: SportAir RV workshop |
--> RV-List message posted by: BARRY POTE <barrypote@comcast.net>
Paul,
I was glad I went. The class gives an overview of what it is all
about. It lets you 'touch' the tools. It takes away most of the fears.
There were 2 teachers and about a dozen to maybe 15 of us. I would
have made sure what was an acceptable sheet metal edge. I think I have
gone to the extreme 'smooth' end of things and don't believe it is
really necessary.
Barry Pote Freezing in NJ! RV9a canopy
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Parashak <pavel_gaijin@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: SportAir RV workshop
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Parashak <pavel_gaijin@yahoo.com>
>
> I am a future 7A builder at the preview plans stage,
> as I like to say. I am going to the Atlanta March RV
> workshop, and I would like to ask some questions of
> those who have attended these in the past.
>
> What questions do you wish you asked at the time?
>
> What skills do you wish you learned there that weren't
> taught?
>
> How many instructors per student were there?
>
> Regards,
>
> Paul Parashak
>
> http://taxes.yahoo.com/
>
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| Subject: | Paint on canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Harrill <KHarrill@OSA.STATE.SC.US>
Jim,
I bought a small bottle of black pigment from West Marine to mix with the
epoxy resin. Works great. Brush a coat onto the plexi and let it cure for
a short while before the first fiberglass lay up. Easier than paint and
looks very professional.
Ken Harrill
803 253-4160 ext. 211
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Can anyone tell me if there are kinds of paint that should not be used on
Plexiglas? Conversely what paints are considered safe?
I want to paint around the edges of the inside perimeter of the windshield
section so as to provide a cleaner finished appearance after the epoxy and
glass bonding is done.
Earlier there was some amount of discussion re-chemicals that reacted with
Plexiglas and I did not see any reference to paints and there effects.
do not archive Jim in Kelowna
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Duckett <perfeng@3rivers.net>
Hi Guys,
Well after months of other jobs, I'm finally back working on my own
ship. In getting everything ready to permanently assemble the wings but
I've come up with a question.
In looking at the W-707A (Rear Spar) and the W-707F (End or Tip
Reinforcing plate) the question arises concerning the flanges of both.
What is the standard practice with these? Do you dimple both or just
dimple the spar flange and C/S the plate?
In my mind the .040 plate is getting pretty thick to dimple without
offsetting the other holes on the spar web (Ribs and such).
I couldn't find anything in the archives about this and figured I'd try
the List before I called Van's. Just don't want to make other -707F's
if I don't need to.
Jim Duckett RV-7A
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| Subject: | Paint on Canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Duckett <perfeng@3rivers.net>
Jim,
To the best of my knowledge as long as you do not use a lacquer based
paint you should be okay. In other words if you use any polymer based
paint (urethanes and most acrylics) you'll be fine. The culprit is the
high toulene used in some enamel spray cans and in lacquers. It attacks
the plexi and causes it to craze and in time will make it brittle and
susceptible to cracking.
Hope this helps...
Jim D. N708JD
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| Subject: | IO-360 prop governer housing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Hi folks
I have a prop governer adapter housing marked "71676 G". Can somebody
verify that this is a prop governer housing for an IO-360 ??
I have a hollow shafted gear, no part #, which fits but appears too long
for this housing. The shaft takes a snap-ring, but the snap ring appears
to float above an oil seal. That somehow does not strike me as correct.
I think this is a shaft for another type of governer housing. Both
appear unused.
Any info welcome..........
Gert
--
is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
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| Subject: | Re: RV9-A QB fuselage |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 08:07 PM 3/5/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Marvel <bmarvel@cox.net>
>
>In short, the QB is, in my view, a very good value. Yes it costs more but
>you will still get plenty of building experience.
Actually, you get more experience with the QB. You do more different tasks
but less repetition. I figured I hired builder assistance for about $8 per
hour.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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"rv8list@egroups.com" <rv8list@egroups.com>
| Subject: | IO-360 prop governer housing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Hi folks
I have a prop governer adapter housing marked "71676 G". Can somebody
verify that this is a prop governer housing for an IO-360 ??
I have a hollow shafted gear, no part #, which fits but appears too long
for this housing. The shaft takes a snap-ring, but the snap ring appears
to float above an oil seal. That somehow does not strike me as correct.
I think this is a shaft for another type of governer housing. Both
appear unused.
Any info welcome..........
Gert
--
is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
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| Subject: | Re: Paint on canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Garth Shearing" <garth@islandnet.com>
Copier toner also works really well as a black pigment for epoxy resin.
Some of this is thrown out every time a toner bottle is replaced.
Garth Shearing
VariEze and 80% RV6A
Victoria BC Canada
>
> I bought a small bottle of black pigment from West Marine to mix with the
> epoxy resin. Works great. Brush a coat onto the plexi and let it cure
for
> a short while before the first fiberglass lay up. Easier than paint and
> looks very professional.
>
> Ken Harrill
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| Subject: | Altimeter heads up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts@unionsafe.com>
Another French Horn player! Although I'm boycotting mine until the French
decided to quit being butt-heads.
Do not archive.
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
Network Manager
Union Safe Deposit Bank
209-946-5116
-----Original Message-----
From: Cy Galley [mailto:cgalley@qcbc.org]
Subject: Re: RV-List: Altimeter heads up
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
You should have gotten an altimeter built by a "real" instrument builder ---
C.G. Conn. That's what mine is and still works fine after being delivered
to the AF in 1944.
Of course my French Horn was also made in the same instrument factory in
Elkhart Indiana.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Marvel" <bmarvel@cox.net>
<SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: Altimeter heads up
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Marvel <bmarvel@cox.net>
>
> Hi all:
>
> For those of you in the market for altimeters, you are probably going to
> choose between Aerosonic and United. I chose Aerosonic. A year later,
> I now have a United altimeter. You may be interested in why.
>
> The short story -- Aerosonic altimeters have an internal mechanism to
> diminish needle vibration that United instruments don't have. This
> means that they also have more internal friction than does the United
> version. My initial pitot static check was fine, but a year later I had
> to troubleshoot a mode C problem. In the investigation process we did
> another pitot static check and the altimeter flunked the friction test
> -- by a lot. It was not yet two years old. What I learned from three
> instrument repair shops and one technician who does nothing but pitot
> static checks caused me to change over to the United altimeter and put
> the other on the shelf. It is not uncommon for the newer Aerosonic
> altimeters to fail the friction test, sometimes every two years. This
> results in repeated repairs and overhauls. United altimeters don't have
> the same problem.
>
> The longer story. When this happened, the tech doing the test asked me
> what type of altimeter I had (you could not tell from the front). When
> I told him it was an Aerosonic, his eyes rolled. He then told me that
> he had been having problems with their new units for several years,
> sometimes failing right out of the box and thereafter, mostly due to
> excess friction.
>
> I Fed Ex'd the instrument to Aerosonic and then called them to ask what
> was going on. After all, this unit was almost new and had failed a
> friction test. I queried them as to manufacturing problems, etc. but
> they said they were not aware of any and had received no feedback on
> this problem. They also said they had confirmed the problem, that their
> warranty was only good for one year and since the unit was out of
> warranty, I would have to pay to have it repaired. I told them I would
> be happy to pay for them to tell me why it failed and that I was
> surprised they weren't interested themselves to find out what had
> happened so early in its life. They started into the work.
>
> In the interim, I called the technician back and he gave me the numbers
> of three major instrument shops -- one in Wichita, one in Van Nuys and
> the third in Huntington Beach. The one in Wichita said they'd had this
> problem for a good 10 years and had repeatedly told the factory about
> it. He also explained to me the design feature Aerosonics had to
> address the needle vibration seen in United altimeters and how this is
> the cause of the friction problem. The other two shops said the same
> thing and that they recommended United altimeters for that reason.
> Aerosonic had told me nothing of this design matter and only that they
> had no problems reported from the field.
>
> I ordered, installed and starting flying the United instrument, which
> passed the pitot/static check fine. I called Aerosonic back and told
> them what I had learned about the design and the problems that had been
> experienced in the field. I gave them names and phone numbers. They
> stuck to their story -- no problems with their instrument. The
> president of the company later called me and said that they were going
> to fix mine under warranty and send it back, and that they would call me
> to keep me advised of what they learned. I got the altimeter back
> without the phone call. I called and left a message. No return call.
> I called again today and finally got through. All they did was
> disassemble, clean, lube and reassemble the unit and it tested fine. It
> is now sitting on my spares shelf.
>
> I have no ax to grind with Aerosonic and no kudos to toss at United. I
> have no involvement with either of them, either directly or indirectly.
> But this is what happened to me and what I learned about it. Your
> mileage may vary.
>
> Bill Marvel
>
>
> --
> Bill Marvel Home/office 310 832
> 7617
> P.O. Box 784 Cell 310 293 2013
> San Pedro, CA 90733 Fax 310 832 5334
>
> One good deed beats 100 good intentions...
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Altimeter heads up |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Brumbelow <csbrumbelow@fedex.com>
You might as well melt it down now. That French decision will not be coming until
they need us to - yet again - come save them from __________ (fill in the blank,
i.e., Germans, etc.)...
Do not archive.
Scott
"Van Artsdalen, Scott" wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts@unionsafe.com>
>
> Another French Horn player! Although I'm boycotting mine until the French
> decided to quit being butt-heads.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> --
> Scott VanArtsdalen
> Network Manager
> Union Safe Deposit Bank
> 209-946-5116
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cy Galley [mailto:cgalley@qcbc.org]
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Altimeter heads up
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> You should have gotten an altimeter built by a "real" instrument builder ---
> C.G. Conn. That's what mine is and still works fine after being delivered
> to the AF in 1944.
> Of course my French Horn was also made in the same instrument factory in
> Elkhart Indiana.
>
> Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
>
> Editor, EAA Safety Programs
> cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
>
> Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Marvel" <bmarvel@cox.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; "So Cal RV Group"
> <SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Altimeter heads up
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Marvel <bmarvel@cox.net>
> >
> > Hi all:
> >
> > For those of you in the market for altimeters, you are probably going to
> > choose between Aerosonic and United. I chose Aerosonic. A year later,
> > I now have a United altimeter. You may be interested in why.
> >
> > The short story -- Aerosonic altimeters have an internal mechanism to
> > diminish needle vibration that United instruments don't have. This
> > means that they also have more internal friction than does the United
> > version. My initial pitot static check was fine, but a year later I had
> > to troubleshoot a mode C problem. In the investigation process we did
> > another pitot static check and the altimeter flunked the friction test
> > -- by a lot. It was not yet two years old. What I learned from three
> > instrument repair shops and one technician who does nothing but pitot
> > static checks caused me to change over to the United altimeter and put
> > the other on the shelf. It is not uncommon for the newer Aerosonic
> > altimeters to fail the friction test, sometimes every two years. This
> > results in repeated repairs and overhauls. United altimeters don't have
> > the same problem.
> >
> > The longer story. When this happened, the tech doing the test asked me
> > what type of altimeter I had (you could not tell from the front). When
> > I told him it was an Aerosonic, his eyes rolled. He then told me that
> > he had been having problems with their new units for several years,
> > sometimes failing right out of the box and thereafter, mostly due to
> > excess friction.
> >
> > I Fed Ex'd the instrument to Aerosonic and then called them to ask what
> > was going on. After all, this unit was almost new and had failed a
> > friction test. I queried them as to manufacturing problems, etc. but
> > they said they were not aware of any and had received no feedback on
> > this problem. They also said they had confirmed the problem, that their
> > warranty was only good for one year and since the unit was out of
> > warranty, I would have to pay to have it repaired. I told them I would
> > be happy to pay for them to tell me why it failed and that I was
> > surprised they weren't interested themselves to find out what had
> > happened so early in its life. They started into the work.
> >
> > In the interim, I called the technician back and he gave me the numbers
> > of three major instrument shops -- one in Wichita, one in Van Nuys and
> > the third in Huntington Beach. The one in Wichita said they'd had this
> > problem for a good 10 years and had repeatedly told the factory about
> > it. He also explained to me the design feature Aerosonics had to
> > address the needle vibration seen in United altimeters and how this is
> > the cause of the friction problem. The other two shops said the same
> > thing and that they recommended United altimeters for that reason.
> > Aerosonic had told me nothing of this design matter and only that they
> > had no problems reported from the field.
> >
> > I ordered, installed and starting flying the United instrument, which
> > passed the pitot/static check fine. I called Aerosonic back and told
> > them what I had learned about the design and the problems that had been
> > experienced in the field. I gave them names and phone numbers. They
> > stuck to their story -- no problems with their instrument. The
> > president of the company later called me and said that they were going
> > to fix mine under warranty and send it back, and that they would call me
> > to keep me advised of what they learned. I got the altimeter back
> > without the phone call. I called and left a message. No return call.
> > I called again today and finally got through. All they did was
> > disassemble, clean, lube and reassemble the unit and it tested fine. It
> > is now sitting on my spares shelf.
> >
> > I have no ax to grind with Aerosonic and no kudos to toss at United. I
> > have no involvement with either of them, either directly or indirectly.
> > But this is what happened to me and what I learned about it. Your
> > mileage may vary.
> >
> > Bill Marvel
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bill Marvel Home/office 310 832
> > 7617
> > P.O. Box 784 Cell 310 293 2013
> > San Pedro, CA 90733 Fax 310 832 5334
> >
> > One good deed beats 100 good intentions...
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Altimeter heads up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Was that a left handed slap attempt. Pun intended. :') KABONG
Do Not Archive
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott"
<svanarts@unionsafe.com>
> Another French Horn player! Although I'm boycotting mine until the French
> decided to quit being butt-heads.
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| Subject: | Re: Altimeter heads up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
You know with a last name like "Rabaut"... I should stay out of this
thread... but, this is America, so here's what I heard some highly placed
military leaders say while discussing the issue:
Three star General to a two star general, "My God man, have you heard? The
French will not join our military operations in Iraq!". The two star
General replies, "Oh that's dreadful... Why that would be like going dear
hunting without taking an accordion!". ;
)
oh please, Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Van Artsdalen, Scott <svanarts@unionsafe.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Altimeter heads up
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott"
<svanarts@unionsafe.com>
>
> Another French Horn player! Although I'm boycotting mine until the French
> decided to quit being butt-heads.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> --
> Scott VanArtsdalen
> Network Manager
> Union Safe Deposit Bank
> 209-946-5116
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cy Galley [mailto:cgalley@qcbc.org]
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Altimeter heads up
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> You should have gotten an altimeter built by a "real" instrument
builder ---
> C.G. Conn. That's what mine is and still works fine after being delivered
> to the AF in 1944.
> Of course my French Horn was also made in the same instrument factory in
> Elkhart Indiana.
>
> Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
>
> Editor, EAA Safety Programs
> cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
>
> Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Marvel" <bmarvel@cox.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; "So Cal RV Group"
> <SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Altimeter heads up
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Marvel <bmarvel@cox.net>
> >
> > Hi all:
> >
> > For those of you in the market for altimeters, you are probably going to
> > choose between Aerosonic and United. I chose Aerosonic. A year later,
> > I now have a United altimeter. You may be interested in why.
> >
> > The short story -- Aerosonic altimeters have an internal mechanism to
> > diminish needle vibration that United instruments don't have. This
> > means that they also have more internal friction than does the United
> > version. My initial pitot static check was fine, but a year later I had
> > to troubleshoot a mode C problem. In the investigation process we did
> > another pitot static check and the altimeter flunked the friction test
> > -- by a lot. It was not yet two years old. What I learned from three
> > instrument repair shops and one technician who does nothing but pitot
> > static checks caused me to change over to the United altimeter and put
> > the other on the shelf. It is not uncommon for the newer Aerosonic
> > altimeters to fail the friction test, sometimes every two years. This
> > results in repeated repairs and overhauls. United altimeters don't have
> > the same problem.
> >
> > The longer story. When this happened, the tech doing the test asked me
> > what type of altimeter I had (you could not tell from the front). When
> > I told him it was an Aerosonic, his eyes rolled. He then told me that
> > he had been having problems with their new units for several years,
> > sometimes failing right out of the box and thereafter, mostly due to
> > excess friction.
> >
> > I Fed Ex'd the instrument to Aerosonic and then called them to ask what
> > was going on. After all, this unit was almost new and had failed a
> > friction test. I queried them as to manufacturing problems, etc. but
> > they said they were not aware of any and had received no feedback on
> > this problem. They also said they had confirmed the problem, that their
> > warranty was only good for one year and since the unit was out of
> > warranty, I would have to pay to have it repaired. I told them I would
> > be happy to pay for them to tell me why it failed and that I was
> > surprised they weren't interested themselves to find out what had
> > happened so early in its life. They started into the work.
> >
> > In the interim, I called the technician back and he gave me the numbers
> > of three major instrument shops -- one in Wichita, one in Van Nuys and
> > the third in Huntington Beach. The one in Wichita said they'd had this
> > problem for a good 10 years and had repeatedly told the factory about
> > it. He also explained to me the design feature Aerosonics had to
> > address the needle vibration seen in United altimeters and how this is
> > the cause of the friction problem. The other two shops said the same
> > thing and that they recommended United altimeters for that reason.
> > Aerosonic had told me nothing of this design matter and only that they
> > had no problems reported from the field.
> >
> > I ordered, installed and starting flying the United instrument, which
> > passed the pitot/static check fine. I called Aerosonic back and told
> > them what I had learned about the design and the problems that had been
> > experienced in the field. I gave them names and phone numbers. They
> > stuck to their story -- no problems with their instrument. The
> > president of the company later called me and said that they were going
> > to fix mine under warranty and send it back, and that they would call me
> > to keep me advised of what they learned. I got the altimeter back
> > without the phone call. I called and left a message. No return call.
> > I called again today and finally got through. All they did was
> > disassemble, clean, lube and reassemble the unit and it tested fine. It
> > is now sitting on my spares shelf.
> >
> > I have no ax to grind with Aerosonic and no kudos to toss at United. I
> > have no involvement with either of them, either directly or indirectly.
> > But this is what happened to me and what I learned about it. Your
> > mileage may vary.
> >
> > Bill Marvel
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bill Marvel Home/office 310 832
> > 7617
> > P.O. Box 784 Cell 310 293 2013
> > San Pedro, CA 90733 Fax 310 832 5334
> >
> > One good deed beats 100 good intentions...
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Altimeter heads up |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
At 01:55 PM 3/6/2003, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts@unionsafe.com>
>
>Another French Horn player! Although I'm boycotting mine until the French
>decided to quit being butt-heads.
You may never play again. :
) Such contrary behavior is a proud
tradition of the French. I should know. :
)
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| Subject: | Re: Altimeter heads up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Q) Why do the French plant trees along their streets???
A) So that the Germans can march in the shade!
Do not archive. Everyone already knows this anyway!
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Altimeter heads up
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
>
> Was that a left handed slap attempt. Pun intended. :') KABONG
> Do Not Archive
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott"
> <svanarts@unionsafe.com>
> > Another French Horn player! Although I'm boycotting mine until the
French
> > decided to quit being butt-heads.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV9-A QB fuselage |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Hal,
I must have missed something. Do you mean that you feel that you get more
experience building a quick build than building a slow build?
Dave
RV6 "slow build" flying in So.Cal
do not archive
kempthornes wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
>
> At 08:07 PM 3/5/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Marvel <bmarvel@cox.net>
> >
> >In short, the QB is, in my view, a very good value. Yes it costs more but
> >you will still get plenty of building experience.
>
> Actually, you get more experience with the QB. You do more different tasks
> but less repetition. I figured I hired builder assistance for about $8 per
> hour.
>
> K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
> RV6-a N7HK flying!
> PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
>
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| Subject: | For Sale (was:Altimeter heads up) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Al Mojzisik <prober@iwaynet.net>
FOR SALE:
One French assault rifle.
Condition:
Never been fired but a few scratches from being dropped once.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: For Sale (was:Altimeter heads up) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
...and a minor wear mark on the barrel from waving a piece of white cloth.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Mojzisik <prober@iwaynet.net>
Subject: RV-List: For Sale (was:Altimeter heads up)
> --> RV-List message posted by: Al Mojzisik <prober@iwaynet.net>
>
> FOR SALE:
>
> One French assault rifle.
>
> Condition:
>
> Never been fired but a few scratches from being dropped once.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Altimeter heads up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" <rv6tc@earthlink.net>
Better settle in for a long siege.
Do not archive
Keith Hughes
Capt (emeritus) USAF
Denver
----- Original Message -----
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Van Artsdalen, Scott"
<svanarts@unionsafe.com>
>
> Another French Horn player! Although I'm boycotting mine until the French
> decided to quit being butt-heads.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Altimeter heads up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" <rv6tc@earthlink.net>
Q: How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?
A: Don't know... it's never been attempted.
Sorry. I'm sure that's a repeat.
Do not archive
Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Altimeter heads up
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
>
> Q) Why do the French plant trees along their streets???
>
> A) So that the Germans can march in the shade!
>
> Do not archive. Everyone already knows this anyway!
>
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| Subject: | Re: For Sale (was:Altimeter heads up) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@eskimo.com>
On Thursday 06 March 2003 15:47, Al Mojzisik wrote:
Ausgezeichnet!
do not archive
> --> RV-List message posted by: Al Mojzisik <prober@iwaynet.net>
>
> FOR SALE:
>
> One French assault rifle.
>
> Condition:
>
> Never been fired but a few scratches from being dropped once.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | crimping big terminals |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve J Hurlbut" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
Can someone give me a source to buy a large crimping tool for 6
and 8 AWG ring terminals (not insulated)?
I tried to find a rental shop but no luck. Plus I'll need it for several
other projects as well.
Thank you
Steve Hurlbut
RV7A
CFZQX
Wiring
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| Subject: | Re: >Re: Crimping Big Terminals |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
I used my Nico-Press crimp tool. Probably someone nearby has one you can
borrow.
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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| Subject: | Re: For Sale (was:Altimeter heads up) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
do not archive
> > FOR SALE:
> >
> > One French assault rifle.
> >
> > Condition:
> >
> > Never been fired but a few scratches from being dropped once.
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
Rifle has never been loaded, only one bullet per Division and it's in the
pocket of Pvt Barney Fife.
In the french army only the men get loaded.
Is that french wine or french whine to go with the cheese ?
Do Not Archive KABONG
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| Subject: | For Sale (was:Altimeter heads up) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Al Mojzisik <prober@iwaynet.net>
"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one
behind me."
--- General George S. Patton
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your
accordion."
--Norman Schwartzkopf
"I just love the French. They taste like chicken!"
---- Hannibal Lecter
While speaking to the Hoover Institution today, Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
was asked this question:
"Could you tell us why to date at least the Administration doesn't favor
direct talks with the North Korean government? After all, we're talking
with the French."
The Secretary smiled and replied: "I'm not going there!"
"We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it."
---- Marge Simpson
An old saying:
Raise your right hand if you like the French....
Raise both hands if you are French.
"You know, the French remind me a little bit of an aging actress of the
1940s who was still trying to dine out on her looks but doesn't have the
face for it."
---John McCain, U.S. Senator from Arizona
"I don't know why people are surprised that France won't
help us get Saddam out of Iraq. After all, France wouldn't help us get the
Germans out of France!"
---Jay Leno
"You know why the French don't want to bomb Saddam Hussein? Because he
hates America, he loves mistresses and wears a beret. He is French, people."
--Conan O'Brien
Do Not Archive and my apologies to any Quebec builders.
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| Subject: | Re: VM Fuel Flow Sender needed |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
My Vision Microsystems P/N 3010019 fuel flow sender (for O-360-A1A carbureted
use)has just been declared DOA by VM. It had been intermittent for the last
18 mos but, to quote VM every time I voiced the possibility (at OSH) that
their sender could be bogus, "there must be something wrong in the rest of
your wiring, these things never go bad". Ha.
In the odd chance any lister has a new one for sale I would like to be made
aware. My understanding is that they cost dearly from VM. Any help here?
TIA
-GV (RV-6A N1GV 593hrs)
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"Re: RV-List: VM Fuel Flow Sender needed" (Mar 6, 10:34pm)
| Subject: | Re: VM Fuel Flow Sender needed |
--> RV-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Hey Gary,
I've only seen two failure modes on the FloScan transducers over the
years. The first is wiring installation error where the power leads
are reversed and the photo diode or LED are burned out. Obviously not
your particular problem.
The other mode of failure that I've gotten a few transducers back on is
when the small rotor inside the unit becomes wedged for some reason.
Almost always this is due to a piece of crap wedging the rotor and not
allowing it to spin. Many times some soft or hard short bursts of
blowing in one end or the other of the transducer will dislodge the
problem. I had one of these just last week, as a matter of fact. A
piece of tank sealer came flying out of the transducer and all of a
sudden I heard the rotor spinning again! I can only remember one unit
where no matter how much blowing I did, I couldn't get it spinning
again.
So, there's some hope. Unfortunately, VM uses the older style
transducer with the high output and these are quite a bit more
expensive than the newer style low output variety. Replacement cost
will been in the $200-$300 range.
You might consider calling FloScan and seeing about sending it in for
"repair". They stand behind their transducers pretty well, and if its
a totally blocked rotor, they might very well send you a replacement.
Best of luck,
Matt Dralle
Matronics
>--------------
>--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
>
>My Vision Microsystems P/N 3010019 fuel flow sender (for O-360-A1A carbureted
>use)has just been declared DOA by VM. It had been intermittent for the last
>18 mos but, to quote VM every time I voiced the possibility (at OSH) that
>their sender could be bogus, "there must be something wrong in the rest of
>your wiring, these things never go bad". Ha.
>
>In the odd chance any lister has a new one for sale I would like to be made
>aware. My understanding is that they cost dearly from VM. Any help here?
>
>TIA
>
>-GV (RV-6A N1GV 593hrs)
--
Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email
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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
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| Subject: | Re: RV9-A QB fuselage |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 02:59 PM 3/6/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
>
>I must have missed something. Do you mean that you feel that you get more
>experience building a quick build than building a slow build?
I believe that it was one of Van's engineers who pointed this out to
me. Having never built a slow build I am not certain. One thing I am
fairly sure of is that I would not have had the patience to do the
slow. It is an awesome endeavor.
The QB'er forms bulkhead and ribs. He makes one of the arm rests by
shaping flat aluminum. I can't recall which other items that the slow
builder gets in his kit the QBer forms from raw stock . I suppose I am
guilty of assuming that high repetition of a single task is not more
experience.
Both do the tasks that represent the most new learning, adjusting control
surfaces, aligning parts, wiring, engine installation, canopy construction,
fiberglass etc. The sheet metal is the easy part.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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