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1. 02:40 AM - Re: FW: [RVBGOTT] 3/29 Builders Mtg (eregensburg)
2. 09:56 AM - Re: [rv8list] Whirlwind Prop & Electronic Ignition (Randy Lervold)
3. 11:22 AM - Charlie received his RV 7 tail and wing! (Charlie & Tupper England)
4. 12:01 PM - Route to OR... (Ken Balch)
5. 12:31 PM - Re: Charlie received his RV 7 tail and wing! (eregensburg)
6. 12:43 PM - Re: Charlie received his RV 7 tail and wing! (Canyon)
7. 12:48 PM - Re: Charlie received his RV 7 tail and wing! (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
8. 12:49 PM - Re: Charlie received his RV 7 tail and wing! (Phil Birkelbach)
9. 12:52 PM - Re: Charlie received his RV 7 tail and wing! (Larry Hawkins)
10. 01:03 PM - Re: Route to OR... (Camille Patch)
11. 01:41 PM - Re: Route to OR... (Randy Lervold)
12. 01:58 PM - Re: Route to OR... (Jim Wittman)
13. 02:39 PM - Re: Route to OR... (Keith Vasey)
14. 02:57 PM - Re: Route to OR... (Bill Dube)
15. 03:05 PM - cowling needed (Im7shannon@aol.com)
16. 05:31 PM - Re: Charlie received his RV 7 tail and wing! (John Starn)
17. 06:00 PM - Hartzell 7692 vs. 7666 (Dan Checkoway)
18. 07:13 PM - Re: Charlie received his RV 7 tail and wing! (Karie Daniel)
19. 07:21 PM - Looking for a Tech Counselor (Karie Daniel)
20. 08:10 PM - Re: Route to OR... (Shemp)
21. 11:15 PM - Re: Experimental Placard in single seaters (Randall Henderson)
22. 11:24 PM - Re: Experimental Placard in single seaters (Randall Henderson)
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| Subject: | Re: FW: [RVBGOTT] 3/29 Builders Mtg |
--> RV-List message posted by: eregensburg <eregensburg@triad.rr.com>
Larry
I can bring drinks and cups
Ed Regensburg
N925RV - RV6A - 2000+ hrs
>On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 00:25:58 -0500 "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
wrote.
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
>Reposting from the local builder's group.
>
>Let me know if you want to fly with Mike Seager later this month in
>North Carolina. See below....
>
>Thanks.
>
>-
>Larry Bowen
>Larry@BowenAero.com
>http://BowenAero.com
>2003 - The year of flight!
>Do not archive
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: lcbowen [mailto:larry@bowenaero.com]
>> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 12:16 AM
>> To: RVBGOTT@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [RVBGOTT] 3/29 Builders Mtg
>>
>>
>> All -
>>
>> Our next meeting on March 29th is approaching fast. Things still
>> look good for the group to meet at EXX about 4:00pm. We plan to fire
>> up the grill and put on some burgers and hot dogs. We could use some
>> help with the following supplies: Drinks, ice, chips, desert,
>> condiments, cups, and utensils. Let me know if you can help.
>>
>> There are still four slots open for flying with Mike. If you are on
>> the fence, do it! If you can't, tell a friend. This is a great
>> opportunity, and filling all slots helps minimize costs!! The
>> schedule and more info is here: http://BowenAero.com/rvtt.htm
>> Contact me at Larry@BowenAero.com to reserve a slot.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> LB
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [rv8list] Whirlwind Prop & Electronic Ignition |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
Jon (and all),
Reading your message got me curious so while I was talking with WW this morning
about my 200C I asked about the 150 issue with electronic ignition. Indeed there
were two cases where the spinner bulkhead attach bolts (not to be confused
with the prop attach bolts) elongated, presumabely due to vibration, so they
decided to post this warning. What WW failed to tell you is that they already
have a fix for it. Anyone interested should give them a call... 619-562-3725.
One thing I have learned in working with them on all this prop testing, they are
VERY conservative and will always act on the side of caution and safety. Heck,
their beta period for the 150 was two years. In fact there are several 150s
out there flying with electronic ignition with over 100 hours on them that have
experienced no issues with the spinner bulkhead bolts. I put 10 hours on mine
with LASAR ignition and never saw any problem. Nevertheless, due to the two
problem cases they are redesigning the spinner bulkhead and modifying the attach
bolt system to eliminate any possibility of this problem.
To those who might be curious about how my test is going, the non-counterweighted
200C has been installed and two initial flights made, one after resetting the
fine pitch stop a bit finer. The weather is awful up here in the "Northwet"
so no data has been collected other than weight (12 lbs lighter than the Hartzell).
The forecast is for continued wet so it may be several weeks before the
weather and my work schedule allow a test window.
Randy Lervold
RV-8, 297 hrs
www.rv-8.com
Home Wing VAF
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Weiswasser
To: rv8list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 5:08 AM
Subject: [rv8list] Whirlwind Prop & Electronic Ignition
All-
I am strongly considering using a whirlwind 150 (three blade
composite, c/s) on my RV-8, in conjunction with a IO-360 (180hp) and
dual electronic ignition (Lightspeeds). Up until recently, I was
pleased by the fact that whirlwind supported the use of the propellor
with electronic ignition, unlike Hartzell. Recently, however, they
posted a notice on their website which indicates that they do NOT
recommend such use. A call to the company revealed that this change
was due to "two bolts which backed out of the prop bulkhead and both
were in planes equipped with elect. ignition." Their recommendation
was to go with their 200 series, which are aerobatic two blade
propellors, but which carry an additional 20 lbs and which cost ~$1200
more.
I think I understand the issue here - that the timing advance of e/i
makes for more stress on the blades with each cycle by the more
'violent' lurching (for lack of a better word). Is this correct? Is
there anyone out there who has this combination and can offer advice?
I have seen Randy Lervold's wonderful summary, but I dont think this
particular issue was addressed. Does anyone have any strong 'gut'
feelings on this?
Jon Weiswasser
RV-8, Finishing
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| Subject: | Charlie received his RV 7 tail and wing! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
This is Charlie's wife, Tupper, and I wanted you all to know how very
HAPPY I am that Charlie has decided (finally!) to build an RV7. I KNOW
that he has written to the list and asked for advice on kits, projects
and planes. So, I bet some of you are also glad that he has made a
decision! It has been a year since we sold the BD4 and I have begged him
to order something--anything--that would someday fly. I am EXTREMELY
excited and yesterday when the pieces-parts (and there are A LOT of
them) arrived , I immediately pulled out the camcorder and the camera to
record the moment. This afternoon Charlie will start inventorying the
pieces and I might start working on a paint scheme.........do you think
I'm rushing things ;-)
Tupper
Charlie's happy wife
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch1@attbi.com>
I'm going to be flying my -8 from MA to OR in late April to bring it to
the paint shop.
I've been playing around with my flight planning software (FliteStar)
and trying to come up with an acceptable route. I'm having difficulty
finding a way through MT & WY and that doesn't force me up to oxygen
altitudes. I don't own an O2 system and I don't want to purchase one at
this point, as it'll be very rarely used.
So, can anyone who's made this trip recommend a route over the high
country in the northwest that won't take me above 10,500 westbound and
11,500 eastbound? I'd like to remain at least 2,000 AGL over the mountains.
Thanks!!
Regards,
Ken Balch
RV-8 N118KB
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| Subject: | Re: Charlie received his RV 7 tail and wing! |
--> RV-List message posted by: eregensburg <eregensburg@triad.rr.com>
Way to go Tupper !! Support that addiction !!
Ed
N925RV - RV6A
Greensboro, NC
>On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:19:13 -0600 Charlie & Tupper England
<cengland@netdoor.com> wrote.
>--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England
<cengland@netdoor.com>
>
>This is Charlie's wife, Tupper, and I wanted you all to know how very
>HAPPY I am that Charlie has decided (finally!) to build an RV7. I KNOW
>that he has written to the list and asked for advice on kits, projects
>and planes. So, I bet some of you are also glad that he has made a
>decision! It has been a year since we sold the BD4 and I have begged him
>to order something--anything--that would someday fly. I am EXTREMELY
>excited and yesterday when the pieces-parts (and there are A LOT of
>them) arrived , I immediately pulled out the camcorder and the camera to
>record the moment. This afternoon Charlie will start inventorying the
>pieces and I might start working on a paint scheme.........do you think
>I'm rushing things ;-)
>Tupper
>Charlie's happy wife
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Charlie received his RV 7 tail and wing! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
eregensburg wrote:
>Way to go Tupper !! Support that addiction !!
---
I'll second that!
Hmmm... do you happen to have an unmarried sister, Tupper? :-)
Steve
do not archive
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| Subject: | Charlie received his RV 7 tail and wing! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
Tupper,
Much thank you for being a supportive spouse!!!!!! Keep up the good work,
write a book on being a supportive spouse and I will guaranty you will sell
one for every kit that has been purchased and not flown (there are a lot!).
Noel Simmons
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| Subject: | Re: Charlie received his RV 7 tail and wing! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
I don't think you're rushing. I've had my wife working on a paint scheme
since we started (over 2 years ago) and we still haven't figured it out yet
(but I think we are close).
Tell Charlie "congratulations" and we'll be looking forward to more
questions as you progress through the kit. It will help a lot that he has
support from his spouse. Welcome to the insanity.
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Fuselage
http://www.myrv7.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie & Tupper England" <cengland@netdoor.com>
Subject: RV-List: Charlie received his RV 7 tail and wing!
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England
<cengland@netdoor.com>
>
> This is Charlie's wife, Tupper, and I wanted you all to know how very
> HAPPY I am that Charlie has decided (finally!) to build an RV7. I KNOW
> that he has written to the list and asked for advice on kits, projects
> and planes. So, I bet some of you are also glad that he has made a
> decision! It has been a year since we sold the BD4 and I have begged him
> to order something--anything--that would someday fly. I am EXTREMELY
> excited and yesterday when the pieces-parts (and there are A LOT of
> them) arrived , I immediately pulled out the camcorder and the camera to
> record the moment. This afternoon Charlie will start inventorying the
> pieces and I might start working on a paint scheme.........do you think
> I'm rushing things ;-)
> Tupper
> Charlie's happy wife
>
>
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| Subject: | Charlie received his RV 7 tail and wing! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Hawkins <lhawkins@giant.com>
Do you have a sister? :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie & Tupper England [mailto:cengland@netdoor.com]
Subject: RV-List: Charlie received his RV 7 tail and wing!
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England
<cengland@netdoor.com>
This is Charlie's wife, Tupper, and I wanted you all to know how very
HAPPY I am that Charlie has decided (finally!) to build an RV7. I KNOW
that he has written to the list and asked for advice on kits, projects
and planes. So, I bet some of you are also glad that he has made a
decision! It has been a year since we sold the BD4 and I have begged him
to order something--anything--that would someday fly. I am EXTREMELY
excited and yesterday when the pieces-parts (and there are A LOT of
them) arrived , I immediately pulled out the camcorder and the camera to
record the moment. This afternoon Charlie will start inventorying the
pieces and I might start working on a paint scheme.........do you think
I'm rushing things ;-)
Tupper
Charlie's happy wife
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RE: RV-List: Charlie received his RV 7 tail and wing!
Do you have a sister? :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Tupper England [<A HREF"mailto:cengland@netdoor.com">mailto:cengland@netdoor.com]
Subject: RV-List: Charlie received his RV 7 tail and wing!
-- RV-List message posted by: Charlie Tupper England cengland@netdoor.com
This is Charlie's wife, Tupper, and I wanted you all to know how very
HAPPY I am that Charlie has decided (finally!) to build an RV7. I KNOW
that he has written to the list and asked for advice on kits, projects
and planes. So, I bet some of you are also glad that he has made a
decision! It has been a year since we sold the BD4 and I have begged him
to order something--anything--that would someday fly. I am EXTREMELY
excited and yesterday when the pieces-parts (and there are A LOT of
them) arrived , I immediately pulled out the camcorder and the camera to
record the moment. This afternoon Charlie will start inventorying the
pieces and I might start working on a paint scheme.........do you think
I'm rushing things ;-)
Tupper
Charlie's happy wife
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| Subject: | Re: Route to OR... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Camille Patch" <cammie@sunvalley.net>
Stay south of the Tetons and it's doable. I live in Boise, ID.
Cammie
> I'm going to be flying my -8 from MA to OR in late April to bring it to
> the paint shop.
>
> I've been playing around with my flight planning software (FliteStar)
> and trying to come up with an acceptable route. I'm having difficulty
> finding a way through MT & WY and that doesn't force me up to oxygen
> altitudes. I don't own an O2 system and I don't want to purchase one at
> this point, as it'll be very rarely used.
>
> So, can anyone who's made this trip recommend a route over the high
> country in the northwest that won't take me above 10,500 westbound and
> 11,500 eastbound? I'd like to remain at least 2,000 AGL over the
mountains.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Regards,
> Ken Balch
> RV-8 N118KB
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Route to OR... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
Ken,
Crossing Montana in the middle of the state with a stop for cheap fuel in
Helena a Mustang Mickey's is the way to go, but you can also cross Wyoming
although the tallest part of the Rockies are in Northern Wyoming, so go
toward the south if you choose WY. Neither route is as bad as it looks on a
map. Essentially just pick one of the major east/west freeways (Montana use
I-90, Wyoming use I-80) and sort of follow it. These freeways are
deliberately cut through the low sections and also tend to have airports
along them. We flew back from OSH last year via this route and had no
problem and did not take O2.
From Helena just nav GPS direct to Aurora (KUAO). If the weather's bad then
aim for Pasco and fly down the Columbia River gorge.
Have a good flight!
Randy Lervold
RV-8, 297 hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Balch" <kbalch1@attbi.com>
Subject: RV-List: Route to OR...
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch1@attbi.com>
>
> I'm going to be flying my -8 from MA to OR in late April to bring it to
> the paint shop.
>
> I've been playing around with my flight planning software (FliteStar)
> and trying to come up with an acceptable route. I'm having difficulty
> finding a way through MT & WY and that doesn't force me up to oxygen
> altitudes. I don't own an O2 system and I don't want to purchase one at
> this point, as it'll be very rarely used.
>
> So, can anyone who's made this trip recommend a route over the high
> country in the northwest that won't take me above 10,500 westbound and
> 11,500 eastbound? I'd like to remain at least 2,000 AGL over the
mountains.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Regards,
> Ken Balch
> RV-8 N118KB
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Wittman" <fmico@iaxs.net>
My wife and I have made several runs to the NW in our -6. The route we used
was through Missoula MT then NW towards Spokane along the freeway. It's
fairly level after Spokane until you get to the Sierras and even there
you'll see passes through the hills. Do watch for anything that looks like
'significant' weather. Winds in the mountains can really build up the bumps
in a hurry. If possible early morning legs worked out best; evenings were
second choice if it wasn't too windy during the day. In all cases we found
that altitude helped avoid the rough stuff.
Jim
Mpls
> I'm going to be flying my -8 from MA to OR in late April to bring it to
> the paint shop.
>
> I've been playing around with my flight planning software (FliteStar)
> and trying to come up with an acceptable route. I'm having difficulty
> finding a way through MT & WY and that doesn't force me up to oxygen
> altitudes. I don't own an O2 system and I don't want to purchase one at
> this point, as it'll be very rarely used.
>
> So, can anyone who's made this trip recommend a route over the high
> country in the northwest that won't take me above 10,500 westbound and
> 11,500 eastbound? I'd like to remain at least 2,000 AGL over the
mountains.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Regards,
> Ken Balch
> RV-8 N118KB
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Keith Vasey" <keith@galvinflying.com>
I concur with Cammie. Specifically, by VOR waypoint, you aim for Cheyenne
CYS then Rock Springs OCS then Malad City then Burley BYI then Boise BOI
then it's fairly low altitude to Oregon. If your destination is west of the
Cascades, you can either go over them at 10,500 or fly the Columbia River at
2,000 or above.
VFR or IFR this is the lowest routing. However, at 10,500 you will be lower
than 2,000 AGL for a total of about 20 minutes west of Cheyenne.
Keith Vasey
Seattle
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Camille Patch
Subject: Re: RV-List: Route to OR...
--> RV-List message posted by: "Camille Patch" <cammie@sunvalley.net>
Stay south of the Tetons and it's doable. I live in Boise, ID.
Cammie
> I'm going to be flying my -8 from MA to OR in late April to bring it to
> the paint shop.
>
> I've been playing around with my flight planning software (FliteStar)
> and trying to come up with an acceptable route. I'm having difficulty
> finding a way through MT & WY and that doesn't force me up to oxygen
> altitudes. I don't own an O2 system and I don't want to purchase one at
> this point, as it'll be very rarely used.
>
> So, can anyone who's made this trip recommend a route over the high
> country in the northwest that won't take me above 10,500 westbound and
> 11,500 eastbound? I'd like to remain at least 2,000 AGL over the
mountains.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Regards,
> Ken Balch
> RV-8 N118KB
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Route to OR... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>Essentially just pick one of the major east/west freeways (Montana use
>I-90, Wyoming use I-80) and sort of follow it.
This is called "IFR" navigation = "I Follow Road"
:-)
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--> RV-List message posted by: Im7shannon@aol.com
I need a 6/7/9 cowling for my scratch build project, in any condition,
damaged would be fine because I will need to alter it anyway. Please contact
me off list if anyone has one they can part with
Thanks,
Kevin Shannon
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| Subject: | Re: Charlie received his RV 7 tail and wing! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Way to go. One small for man, one giant step for......you get the picture.
Tom and I spent 5 years building and more than a year flying. HRII N561FS is
not painted BUT we talk about all the time. Do Not Archive. KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie & Tupper England" <cengland@netdoor.com>
Subject: RV-List: Charlie received his RV 7 tail and wing!
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| Subject: | Hartzell 7692 vs. 7666 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Does anybody know anything about Hartzell's 7692 blades? From the TCDS they
look identical to the 7666 blades except the 7692 is 5 pounds lighter.
I don't really want to stray from the recommended HC-C2YK / 7666A-4Q
recommendation for the IO-360-A1B6, but I'm curious more than anything what
the deal with the 7692 series blade is all about.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (canopy)
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Charlie received his RV 7 tail and wing! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@attbi.com>
I didn't know the Jedi mind trick worked on wives! Obviously Charlie is a
lucky guy to have you.
DO NOT ARCHIVE.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Charlie received his RV 7 tail and wing!
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons"
<noel@blueskyaviation.net>
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> Tupper,
> Much thank you for being a supportive spouse!!!!!! Keep up the good work,
> write a book on being a supportive spouse and I will guaranty you will
sell
> one for every kit that has been purchased and not flown (there are a
lot!).
>
>
> Noel Simmons
>
>
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| Subject: | Looking for a Tech Counselor |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@attbi.com>
I live in Sammamish, WA. and I haven't been able to make it the Seattle EAA meeting
yet. I am getting to a point that I would really like to have a Tech Counselor
come and take a look at the quality (or lack of) of the work I have in progress.
I looked on EAA's web site but the first two guys I called on the list were either
not in EAA any longer or had moved and the number was incorrect. I know of
a great club up at Crest but with two counselors but I don't want to make someone
drive a half hour to my house. I would also like to find someone that's seen
and counseled a few RV's.
Anyone lurking on this list that can help or have a number of someone you are using?
Thanks,
Karie Daniel
N826RV (Reserved)
RV-7A QB
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| Subject: | Re: Route to OR... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Shemp" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
I just reviewed an article put out sometime ago (last couple of years) in
the rvator written by a guy who flew in the mountains for a living. He
kinda slanted it towards the midwest guys trying to fly over something
taller than a viaduct I think. I didnt like that too much but his article
had some decent suggestions on crossing the little hills up there in the nw.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Experimental Placard in single seaters |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
> Randall......Thanks for the reply. The link still doesn't work for me.
>
Try this:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?S5B816AE3
Randall
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| Subject: | Re: Experimental Placard in single seaters |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
> Anyway, you answered my question.....it is in the Experimental EXHIBITION
> category this is mentioned. That is not what RV's are. We are
Experimental
> AMATEUR BUILT........
>
> Gary
Oops -- you're right, but only in that I cited the wrong part. The one I
meant to cite (and posted the URL for) is in fact for AMATEUR BUILT
category. Try that "short link" I posted
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?S5B816AE3) and correct me if I'm still
wrong....
Randall
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