---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/30/03: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:01 AM - Re: SF Bay Area Airports (Patrick Kelley) 2. 02:00 AM - Re: SF Bay Area Airports (Kysh) 3. 05:42 AM - Re: oil filter drain (Ollie Washburn) 4. 06:04 AM - sun-n-fun (Ewinne@aol.com) 5. 06:44 AM - Re: Lister's at SnF (Dwight Frye) 6. 07:28 AM - Re: sun-n-fun (eregensburg) 7. 08:33 AM - Washington Post Article (Cy Galley) 8. 08:52 AM - Lycoming Warranty Policy (Stephen Johnson) 9. 09:35 AM - Sam James Cowling (Ned Bowers) 10. 09:42 AM - Re: Washington Post Article (Tom & Cathy Ervin) 11. 09:42 AM - oil filter drain: TIP OF THE WEEK (Denis Walsh) 12. 09:58 AM - Re: Lister's at SnF (Ross Scroggs) 13. 10:27 AM - Re: Washington Post Article (Richard Bibb) 14. 10:29 AM - Re: Lycoming Warranty Policy (kempthornes) 15. 10:31 AM - Re: SF Bay Area Airports (kempthornes) 16. 10:39 AM - Re: carb heat auto cables (kempthornes) 17. 11:17 AM - Re: Washington Post Article (WALTER KERR) 18. 11:33 AM - Re: Sam James Cowling (Jim Norman) 19. 01:26 PM - Re: Washington Post Article (Dr. Leathers) 20. 02:10 PM - Dynon and Flaps (Wheeler North) 21. 02:23 PM - Re: Sam James Cowling (Konrad Werner) 22. 03:34 PM - SF Bay Area Airports (JusCash@aol.com) 23. 06:51 PM - Fuel Price (Laurel Mckone) 24. 08:06 PM - Electrical System Gremlin (Tom & Cathy Ervin) 25. 08:14 PM - Re: oil filter drain: TIP OF THE WEEK (James E. Clark) 26. 09:09 PM - Re: oil filter drain: TIP OF THE WEEK (Vanremog@aol.com) 27. 10:24 PM - Re: Dynon and Flaps (Jim Jewell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:01:32 AM PST US From: "Patrick Kelley" Subject: RE: RV-List: SF Bay Area Airports --> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" If by SJ Muni you mean SJ International, they are not particularly unfriendly, but not the best choice. They cater mostly to the 'heavy iron'. Reid-Hillview would be the best; Hayward is tight under SFO's airspace and you'd have to cross or go around the tip of the bay to Fremont. RH is a pretty straight shot to Fremont and the traffic is not so bad on the weekends. Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - Baggage side ribs being fitted -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael J. Robbins Subject: RV-List: SF Bay Area Airports --> RV-List message posted by: "Michael J. Robbins" To those of you in the bay area, I'm planning on visiting a friend in Fremont and it looks like San Jose Muni is the closest airport. Is it friendly to us little guys? Last time I flew out of SJC was in 1969. I know things have changed a lot. I have the option of filing IFR if necessary. I'm planning on arriving next Saturday or Sunday. Mike Robbins RV-8 N88MJ 185 hours Seattle area do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:00:18 AM PST US From: Kysh Subject: Re: RV-List: SF Bay Area Airports --> RV-List message posted by: Kysh > To those of you in the bay area, I'm planning on visiting a friend in > Fremont and it looks like San Jose Muni is the closest airport. Is it > friendly to us little guys? From what I understand, very big 'Negative' on that. LVK isn't much further. HWD is probably the closest to Fremont. If you really must fly into the south bay, RHV is likely the place to go. I haven't been able to afford to fly for the last couple years, but back when I could, I was flying out of RHV. Nice airport, but busy on weekends. Abutts SJC airspace. -Kysh -- | 'Life begins at 120kias' - http://www.lapdragon.org/flying | | CBR-F4 streetbike - http://www.lapdragon.org/cbr | | 1968 Mustang fastback - http://www.lapdragon.org/mustang | | Got 'nix? - http://www.infrastructure.org/ | | KG6FOB - http://www.lapdragon.org/ham | | Give blood: Play Hockey! http://www.unixdragon.com/ | ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:43 AM PST US From: "Ollie Washburn" Subject: Re: RV-List: oil filter drain --> RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn" ----- Original Message ----- From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: oil filter drain Then fire up your air compressor (clean filtered dry air only need apply) set at 10 psi or so and blow air into the hole in your filter (the rubber tipped nozzles seal well). You will see a lot more oil that was trapped in the system and filter get blown down into the sump to drain out. Do this a few times while you clean and gap your plugs and when you finally unscrew the filter, it will be 99.44% empty. Don't forget to cut it open to inspect for metal. -GV (RV-6A N1GV 593hrs) Wouldn't there be a chance of blowing metal back in engine if there might be some present? Ollie Central Fl. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:44 AM PST US From: Ewinne@aol.com Subject: RV-List: sun-n-fun --> RV-List message posted by: Ewinne@aol.com Bernie et al... I'll be there, and I'll have a rental car, so some of the fly-in crowd can come along if we decide to do a "rib night" or something. Ed Winne Jonestown PA RV9A still poundin' rivets Every year someone comes up with a let's get together so we can put a face on some of the other listers we do not know other than by this list. I am going to put a note in van's tent ( if they allow me :>)=A0 ) that says let's meet here at noon each day. I will usually show up and we can go somewhere to eat lunch together and get to chat eyeball to eyeball. Let's plan on being there at noon and departing for lunch around 10 minutes after that. See you there, Bernie Kerr, ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:42 AM PST US From: Dwight Frye Subject: Re: RV-List: Lister's at SnF --> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye I'll be there (driving down Tuesday and staying the whole week). I'll have to see what my traveling companions want to do, but odds are that I'll swing by and see who shows up. -- Dwight DO NOT ARCHIVE On Sat Mar 29 18:48:30 2003, Dana Overall wrote : > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > > >>From: "WALTER KERR" >>Every year someone comes up with a let's get together so we can put a face >>on some of the other listers we do not know other than by this list. >I am going to put a note in van's tent ( if they allow me :>) ) that says >let's meet here at noon each day. I will usually show up and we can go >somewhere to eat lunch together and get to chat eyeball to eyeball. >Let's plan on being there at noon and departing for lunch around 10 minutes >after that. >See you there, >Bernie Kerr, 6A flying, 9A rotary power building > > >Well, I'm starting the "let's get together thread". Since I am new (one >year) to the RV list, but very old on the plastic airplane list, I would >truly like to put some faces to names to those on the dark side (alum.). >Bernie's idea of meeting for lunch provides me with a great lunch plan on >Sat. and Sun. > >However, is anyone up for a "let's swap airplane lies" get together? The >regular airshow on Sat. starts at 2PM and ends and 5PM. I'd like to suggest >a gathering at the Van's tent 5PM Saturday and walk to someone's campsite >(even the parking lot if we have too) for a very informal beer and brats >Saturday evening dinner. The night airshow starts at 8:45PM for those who >will not fall over looking skyward after partaking in more beer than brats. >If we can pull this together, I will bring the grill and a couple large >coolers (I'm driving as I can't take the chance of a line of thunder boomers >moving in and missing work (CPA)). > >For all you "pre pre-punched" guys who are flying I'd really like to hand >you a handful of dirt to see just how you mine the ore for spars and fit >that red cape Van's give you when you order that little wheel on the back >end. > >Seriously, anybody up for it?? > > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >RV-7 slider/fuselage >http://rvflying.tripod.com >do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:22 AM PST US From: eregensburg Subject: Re: RV-List: sun-n-fun --> RV-List message posted by: eregensburg I think its a great Idea !! Lunch daily with a bunch of other RVers. I look forward to it!! ed Regensburg N925RV >On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 09:01:33 EST Ewinne@aol.com wrote. >--> RV-List message posted by: Ewinne@aol.com > >Bernie et al... > >I'll be there, and I'll have a rental car, so some of the fly-in crowd can >come along if we decide to do a "rib night" or something. > >Ed Winne >Jonestown PA >RV9A still poundin' rivets > >Every year someone comes up with a let's get together so we can put a face >on some of the other listers we do not know other than by this list. > >I am going to put a note in van's tent ( if they allow me :>)=A0 ) that says >let's meet here at noon each day. I will usually show up and we can go >somewhere to eat lunch together and get to chat eyeball to eyeball. > >Let's plan on being there at noon and departing for lunch around 10 minutes >after that. > >See you there, >Bernie Kerr, > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:47 AM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: RV-List: Washington Post Article --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" washingtonpost.com The President's Personal No-Fly Zone By Melanie Scarborough Sunday, March 30, 2003; Page B08 "The greatest threat to freedom, even in today's perilous times, comes from no foreign force. It comes from the dangerous habit many of our leaders fell into over several generations -- letting the power and the resources that are the basis of freedom slip from grass-roots America into the hands of a remote central authority." -- Ronald Reagan, 1982 In this age of terrorism, power and resources no longer slip into the hands of central authorities, as President Reagan warned two decades ago -- they are unabashedly snatched by leaders who claim to be promoting security. Consider the Bush administration's ban on general aviation at Reagan National Airport. Before Sept. 11, 2001, the airport handled about 175 general aviation (private planes seating fewer than 20 passengers) flights a day. After the terrorist attacks, the administration closed the airport to private planes, except for a handful authorized to carry government officials. Signature Flight Support, the company that services general aviation at National, has lost millions of dollars since then. Many of its employees have lost their jobs, and citizens are denied access to a public facility -- all because of edicts from the Bush administration, which has no direct jurisdiction over the airport. In 1986 Congress transferred control of National and Dulles airports to Virginia and the District. The two jurisdictions then created the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority to operate the airports. The executive branch always has had theoretical control of the airports through the Federal Aviation Administration, but no other president has interfered in their operations. After the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush went so far as to voice publicly the possibility of permanently closing National. After Virginia's congressional delegation went to the White House as supplicants, Bush decided to allow commercial flights at National to resume gradually. But general aviation within a 15-mile radius of the Washington Monument is still prohibited. Has anyone pressed officials to make their case that the risk justifies such a restriction? General aviation is a hard sector for terrorists to infiltrate because it consists of a small group of people who know one another. Airfield operators know their pilots; pilots know their passengers. National drew a particularly safe crowd because it was never popular with recreational fliers. Its pre-Sept. 11 clientele were mostly business travelers -- CEOs who schedule flights in advance and have professional pilots with security clearances. Yet federal officials seem oblivious to these facts, according to David Wartofsky, owner of Potomac Airfield in Fort Washington. Potomac Airfield is the home base of many planes used by government agencies and flown by high-level military pilots -- who now are being vetted by low-level agents from the Transportation Security Administration (TSA). "Probably 98 percent of our pilots have top-security clearance," says Wartofsky. "They're cleared to a higher standard than the TSA people standing around watching them." Even governors are considered suspect by the Bush administration. To be eligible for a waiver to fly into National, a governor's pilot must undergo federal security screening, and the governor must be accompanied by sworn law enforcement officers -- the better to restrain a chief executive suddenly seized by terrorist impulses. Do the luminaries who think governors can be trusted with a National Guard but not with a private plane really represent the best minds available to judge the safety of general aviation? None of the restrictions the administration has imposed prevents terrorists from taking off from fields or deserted highways and flying into restricted airspace. But even in that scenario, the threat would be minimal. A jet loaded with 17,000 gallons of fuel traveling 600 mph is a flying bomb. A small plane carrying 50 gallons of fuel puttering along at 100 mph is not. At 2,500 pounds, a Cessna weighs less than half as much as a Ford Explorer. When a deranged pilot crashed a stolen Cessna into the White House in 1994, he killed himself and mangled his plane but barely nicked the president's residence. So where are Virginia's leaders, who should be defending the airport's interests? Why don't they demand that the administration stop hampering a local industry by trumping a local authority? The administration's usurping of power and resources is not justified by the risk. Reagan understood what Bush does not: Centralized power is the real threat to freedom. ScarboroughsFare@aol.com Cy Galley Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:11 AM PST US From: "Stephen Johnson" Subject: RV-List: Lycoming Warranty Policy --> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen Johnson" Hi Listers, As some of you may know, I have for sale a brand new in the box IO-360A1B6 ordered through Van's and delivered last December. One prospective customer has some concerns about the warranty since Lycoming has said that there is a one year warranty on the engine. I would like any information on warranty claims that might have been made on a new Lycoming after the one year expiration date. Let me explain by giving an analogous situation regarding Porsche cars. The Porsche Boxster has had a history of problems with its engine. In order to preserve its reputation and maintain good customer relations, Porsche is replacing problem engines that are out of warranty, even for cars that have been sold to a second owner. I wonder if there is any history of Lycoming standing behind its product to a similar degree? The value of the my engine certainly depends upon whether Lycoming would deny a claim for warranty repairs, in say the first few hours of service, if the engine were more than a year old. Any information on actual customer treatment by Lycoming would be much appreciated. Thanks, Steve Johnson ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:39 AM PST US From: "Ned Bowers" Subject: RV-List: Sam James Cowling --> RV-List message posted by: "Ned Bowers" Sam James will be at SunNFun at the Skybolt (fasteners)display just to the west of the FAA Building. He can demonstrate his cowlings, including the Skybolt CLoc fastened cowling and intallation kits. The Skybolt fastener kits are on sale through the end of SunNFun for 30% off. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RV-List Digest Server Subject: RV-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 03/29/03 * ================================================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================== Today's complete RV-List Digest can be also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list/Digest.RV-List.2003-03-29.html Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list/Digest.RV-List.2003-03-29.txt ================================================ EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================ RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/29/03: 30 Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:03 AM - Re: Dynon Installation manual (Jim Jewell) 2. 03:43 AM - Re: Pressure testing hoses (Richard V. Reynolds) 3. 04:56 AM - Re: Primer and Paint (Larry Pardue) 4. 05:46 AM - oil filter drain (PLTDBEEZER@aol.com) 5. 06:38 AM - Re: Pressure testing hoses (Larry Bowen) 6. 06:56 AM - Re: Got to be another way... (Bill VonDane) 7. 06:56 AM - Re: Got to be another way... (Bill VonDane) 8. 08:55 AM - Re: Pressure testing hoses (Elsa & Henry) 9. 09:48 AM - Lister's at SnF (WALTER KERR) 10. 11:36 AM - Re: Prop test results posted (PittsS1@aol.com) 11. 12:15 PM - Re: Wire ID Tags (David Wentzell) 12. 03:51 PM - Re: Lister's at SnF (Dana Overall) 13. 04:22 PM - Re: Radio and GPS For Sale (Jody Edwards) 14. 06:31 PM - Re: Prop test results posted (Randy Lervold) 15. 06:58 PM - Paint color (Wheeler North) 16. 07:05 PM - Re: Lister's at SnF (John Starn) 17. 07:12 PM - Re: Electronic Ignition vs. Mags (Gary) 18. 07:12 PM - Re: Aeroshell 15w50 (Gary) 19. 07:28 PM - Re: Removing Tires (Gary) 20. 07:35 PM - Re: Lister's at SnF (Bobby Hester) 21. 07:42 PM - Re: Removing Tires (Chris Good) 22. 08:36 PM - SF Bay Area Airports (Michael J. Robbins) 23. 09:06 PM - Re: SF Bay Area Airports (WPAerial@aol.com) 24. 09:07 PM - Re: oil filter drain (Don Diehl) 25. 09:23 PM - Cowling (Russ Alnutt) 26. 09:27 PM - carb heat auto cables (MICK MULLER) 27. 10:03 PM - Re: Cowling (Dan Checkoway) 28. 10:04 PM - Re: Cowling (Stein Bruch) 29. 10:23 PM - Re: Cowling (James E. Clark) 30. 11:23 PM - Re: oil filter drain (Vanremog@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:22 AM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Installation manual --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Hi there old #63, I'm #40 and they tell me that My unit will ship no later than late next week but maybe earlier. Earlier would be better Iwaaaann it!{|;-) >From the sound of it they are having and handling the usual assembly line start up bugs. Sure will be nice to get the panel done won't it? Jim in Kelowna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wheeler North" Subject: RV-List: Dynon Installation manual > --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North > > Folks, after reviewing the Dynon insallation manual I found a few > discrepancies and areas where the description was a little weak. > > Below are my questions and Dynon's responses. > > WN > 1. There is a pinout schematic on page 8 and a chart on page 9 that have a > couple of discrepancies. > > Pins Schematic pg8 Chart pg9 > 13/25 Uart2 Ser Serial 1 > 11/23 Ext mag Serial 2 > > Dynon > 1. This is a discrepancy and will be fixed in the next version of the > installation guide. For wiring the RS232 and External Magnetomer refer to > the relevant sections on the page following the one you're referring to. > (pgs 8/9) > > > WN > 2. For the purpose of future expansion, what type of connector should be put > on the above mentioned serial port for pins 13/25? Standard DB9 female? > > Dynon > 2. There are no direct plans at this time to use that port for expansion. > A D-9 female will give you options for the future. > > > WN > 3. There is no dialouge about the use of the "Keep Alive" circuit (Pin 2) > What's kept alive, the Pilot? ;{) > > Dynon > 3. Keep Alive is used to keep the clock on time if you don't have an > internal battery. If you do have an internal battery, we will also use > power from this pin to keep the internal battery fully charged. Normal draw > is less than 1mA. > (Ed. Note: this might be a good feature to hook up even with the internal > batt installed given the alternators most often fail right after warming > up.) > > > WN > 4. Is Pin 14 a redundant power source or is it necessary. > > Dynon > 4. Pin 1 and 14 are tied together inside our instrument. You can use > either or both. > > > WN > 5. Pin 15 is the External Batt backup source. What are the requirements/uses > for this. IE should it be independantly switched, can it be powered at the > same time as pin 1 and 14, etc. > > Dynon > 5. External Battery is used only when the master power goes away. If master > power goes away and either the Emergency Backup or Internal Battery are > present, the EFIS-D10 will display a message and automatically shutoff after > 30 seconds unless any front panel button is pressed. If Emergency Backup is > turned on with NO master power being present, the EFIS-D10 will turn on and > operate normally just as it would off of master power. > (Ed. Note: I believe the terms "external batt" and "emergency batt" are one > and the same in this response) > > > WN > 6. On the mounting instructions for the external mag sensor I am assuming > that when you say the mounting lugs should be on the bottom that you mean > they should face down. Also not sure if this device is impacted by being > enclosed in an aluminum wing etc. In other words is it just like a compass, > works anywhere except for near iron and current. I assume it is but you > might want to clarify that in the manual. > > Dynon > 6. Yes, the device works just like a compass; you need to keep it away from > ferrous metals and current carrying wires. The mounting plate should be > towards the bottom of the airplane. > > > (Ed. Note: one thing I haven't figured out is where to buy a DB9 connector > that has no steel in it, the one I was able to find that had the least > amount still has steel tangs and a collar for the attach screws, but the > screws are brass and aluminum, another question that arises from their > response is if one is upsidedown will this magnetometer still work?) > > Although they have been very responsive to my questions etc. they still > haven't sent me the unit. I tried calling to order on the first day in the > morning, but the phone numbers they had in their manuals were wrong. So I > have a really cool wiring harness made up ready to fly. > > Just call me old #63, the guy with the big empty hole in his panel. > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:43:31 AM PST US From: "Richard V. Reynolds" Subject: Re: RV-List: Pressure testing hoses --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard V. Reynolds" Never use air pressure for pressure testing!!!! Air is very compressible and stores lots of energy. An air filled balloon pops. A water filled balloon just leaks. Use only water (best) or oil (messy). A pressure test need only be done to 1.5 X working pressure. i.e. oil pressure 75 psi X 1.5 = 112.5 psi Richard Reynolds, RV-6A, Norfolk, VA Russ Werner wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Russ Werner" > > I have been perusing the archives regarding pressure testing hoses. I'd > like to make up a test rig to do my own. I have a few questions for those > in the hose know. > > I am planning on testing with fluid (oil). Is it possible to get a valid > test with only air pressure (I understand the difficulties of getting 500psi > air pressure!) > > I'm planning on using the pump from a porta-power plumbed through a valve, > through the hose, through a valve, and back to a reservoir feeding the > porta-power pump. If anyone has made something similar, can you contact me > off list with any details or lessons learned. > > Aloha, > > Russ Werner > HRII > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:57 AM PST US From: "Larry Pardue" Subject: Re: RV-List: Primer and Paint --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer > > I've only been wrong once, and that was one time when I just thought I > was wrong. :-) Some time when you are on the ramp on a hot day look at > the skins on a dark colored airplane and then the ones on a light > colored airplane, You can see the the expansion between the ribs. I was > not talking about it being warmer under the bubble or flying I was > talking about ramp temps. As I said it probably > does not make any difference, I just did not like how hot they get with > dark colors on a hot day. Speaking as one with a largely black airplane, there are a few other effects. One is that after I pull the airplane out of the hangar into the Sun, I am likely to get a couple of loud and disconcerting bangs as the skins warm up. Another is that if the tanks are filled to too near full, in the Sun, fuel will come shooting out of the vents intermittently, causing FBO people to come running and yelling about the fuel coming out of your airplane, thereby disturbing your lunch of vending machine peanut butter crackers. The black is hard to keep clean looking too. Still like the black. Larry Pardue Carlsbad, NM RV-6 N441LP Flying http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:14 AM PST US From: PLTDBEEZER@aol.com Subject: RV-List: oil filter drain --> RV-List message posted by: PLTDBEEZER@aol.com Has anyone used the oil filter drain kit that Sporty's sells? Dave Beizer RV6 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:21 AM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Pressure testing hoses --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Just FYI, I've only made up one hose so far. But I took it to the local airport's hose shop. They tested it for free. He said the paperwork was so intense it wasn't worth the trouble to write it all up just to charge me for one hose. How about that -- FAA paperwork working to my advantage! -LB > -----Original Message----- > --> RV-List message posted by: "Russ Werner" > > I have been perusing the archives regarding pressure testing > hoses. I'd like to make up a test rig to do my own. I have > a few questions for those in the hose know. > > I am planning on testing with fluid (oil). Is it possible to > get a valid test with only air pressure (I understand the > difficulties of getting 500psi air pressure!) > > I'm planning on using the pump from a porta-power plumbed > through a valve, through the hose, through a valve, and back > to a reservoir feeding the porta-power pump. If anyone has > made something similar, can you contact me off list with any > details or lessons learned. > > Aloha, > > Russ Werner > HRII ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:13 AM PST US From: "Bill VonDane" Subject: Re: RV-List: Got to be another way... --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" Brian... That's the same one I have now too... I would have thought Aeroquip would have made one, but I have been unable to find one... I did see the one in the yeller pages made by Fumoto. It looks ok... http://www.kennedydiesel.com/fumotovalve.html -Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Denk" Subject: Re: RV-List: Got to be another way... --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" >Subject: RV-List: Got to be another way... >Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:36:00 -0700 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" > >Ok, I know there has to be a place to get these without spending $50! > >http://www.sacskyranch.com/acatalog/Sacramento_Sky_Ranch_Oil_drain_valves_5 3 >.html > >-Bill VonDane Bill, Yeah, I feel your pain. I've been searching for the same thing recently. I have an older style, brass drain that looks like a scaled up tank sump drain. It works, but dribbles oil. I even looked in the auto racing market for a quick drain to no avail. There MUST be something out there that doesn't cost fifty freakin' dollars. OK, so I'm cheap. But fifty bucks buys me enough avgas for a month of flying! (Toddler at home, wife works too, I work, old house with old stuff breaking all the time....yada yada yada). Brian "busted water heater fixer boy" Denk RV8 N94BD ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:50 AM PST US From: "Bill VonDane" Subject: Re: RV-List: Got to be another way... --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" Yeah, that's what I have on there now, and it's getting a little weak... -Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Got to be another way... --> RV-List message posted by: RICKRV6@aol.com In a message dated 3/28/03 1:39:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, bill@vondane.com writes: > Ok, I know there has to be a place to get these without spending $50! > > http://www.sacskyranch.com/acatalog/Sacramento_Sky_Ranch_Oil_drain_valves_53 > .html > > -Bill VonDane > RV-8A - 90+ hrs > www.vondane.com > > Bill, Try a Curtis Drain Valve. I used one on my -6 and never had a problem. They're available through a number of sources. http://www.curtissupe riorvalve.com/history.html Rick McBride 80027 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:52 AM PST US From: "Elsa & Henry" Subject: Re: RV-List: Pressure testing hoses --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" I bought the fittings and hose material from Van's,- 2-1/4", 2-3/8" and 2-1/2" for pressures, fuel and oil respectively and made them up ok. I took them to an Aeroquip dealer in Montreal (that supplies a lot of hoses to Bombardier, here) and they tested them for me. ($8 Can. each) They invited me in to witness the test. The same size hoses were mounted in series in a transparent test chamber and filled with fluid of some kind, and pressurized to 3,000 PSI! And left for one minute! It was amusing to see the 3/8" and 1/2" ones "erect" under pressure. The technician told me that I had done a good job because I had really tightened the nut into the ferrule so that there was a tiny gap (<.015") between them and a lot of hoses fail the test because that gap was not closed enough. Anyway, $48 Can. has given me full confidence in them. Cheers!!----Henry Hore ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:23 AM PST US From: "WALTER KERR" Subject: RV-List: Lister's at SnF --> RV-List message posted by: "WALTER KERR" Every year someone comes up with a let's get together so we can put a face on some of the other listers we do not know other than by this list. I am going to put a note in van's tent ( if they allow me :>) ) that says let's meet here at noon each day. I will usually show up and we can go somewhere to eat lunch together and get to chat eyeball to eyeball. Let's plan on being there at noon and departing for lunch around 10 minutes after that. See you there, Bernie Kerr, 6A flying, 9A rotary power building ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:58 AM PST US From: PittsS1@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop test results posted --> RV-List message posted by: PittsS1@aol.com randy, can't open your prop results. attached is a comparison i did a while back. it was published in SPORT AEROBATICS. mike ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:11 PM PST US From: David Wentzell Subject: RV-List: Re: Wire ID Tags --> RV-List message posted by: David Wentzell Hey, A while ago I made up wire ID tags and offered them to listers. I first made up no's 1 - 40, - silly me - no where near enough! So, then 41 - 80, and still needed more! So, for those who are interested , I now have no's 81 - 120. Same deal ... same price! (let me know which no's you need since I have not kept track of to whom I sent what)) SASE to: David Wentzell 220 White Sand Lane Racine, Wisconsin 53402 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:53 PM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: RV-List: Lister's at SnF --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" >From: "WALTER KERR" >Every year someone comes up with a let's get together so we can put a face >on some of the other listers we do not know other than by this list. I am going to put a note in van's tent ( if they allow me :>) ) that says let's meet here at noon each day. I will usually show up and we can go somewhere to eat lunch together and get to chat eyeball to eyeball. Let's plan on being there at noon and departing for lunch around 10 minutes after that. See you there, Bernie Kerr, 6A flying, 9A rotary power building Well, I'm starting the "let's get together thread". Since I am new (one year) to the RV list, but very old on the plastic airplane list, I would truly like to put some faces to names to those on the dark side (alum.). Bernie's idea of meeting for lunch provides me with a great lunch plan on Sat. and Sun. However, is anyone up for a "let's swap airplane lies" get together? The regular airshow on Sat. starts at 2PM and ends and 5PM. I'd like to suggest a gathering at the Van's tent 5PM Saturday and walk to someone's campsite (even the parking lot if we have too) for a very informal beer and brats Saturday evening dinner. The night airshow starts at 8:45PM for those who will not fall over looking skyward after partaking in more beer than brats. If we can pull this together, I will bring the grill and a couple large coolers (I'm driving as I can't take the chance of a line of thunder boomers moving in and missing work (CPA)). For all you "pre pre-punched" guys who are flying I'd really like to hand you a handful of dirt to see just how you mine the ore for spars and fit that red cape Van's give you when you order that little wheel on the back end. Seriously, anybody up for it?? Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Radio and GPS For Sale From: Jody Edwards --> RV-List message posted by: Jody Edwards Did you sell your com radio yet? I'm still interested if its still available. On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:42:23 -0500 Jody Edwards writes: > --> RV-List message posted by: Jody Edwards > > Hello Paul, I'll take the VAL com for $300 if its still available. > Email > me at jodyedwards@juno.com with your payment preference and shipping > > info. Thanks, JodyEdwards > On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:55:56 -0500 "Paul Brown" > > writes: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Brown" > > > > > I have updated my panel, a little, and have a VAL760 and a > Northstar > > GPS60 for sale. Both were working great when I took them out last > > > week. The GPS60 has it's antenna, antenna cable and tray. The > VAL760 > > also has it's tray. I also have the installation and instruction > > manuals as well. > > > > I would like to get $900 for the GPS and $300 for the VAL. Anyone > > > interested? > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:09 PM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop test results posted --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" Do you mean the web page or the Sport Aerobatics article? I just checked and the prop page is working fine... www.rv-8.com/Prop.htm Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop test results posted > --> RV-List message posted by: PittsS1@aol.com > > randy, > can't open your prop results. attached is a comparison i did a while > back. it was published in SPORT AEROBATICS. > mike > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:36 PM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: Paint color --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North Well, I don't know much about anything but I can tell you that black paint is a lot hotter than any other color. I have had several customers who owned black BMWs that often complained about having to have interior work done all the time. We stuck some calibrated temp recorders in the car and inside the dash area, one of these reached 240 degress F on a hot 100+ degree day in the sun. The car was so hot bugs were getting it confused with the sun and were going inverted over it thereby augering into the paint to lie there and burn. My plane and both cars be white. Or at least dirty white. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:22 PM PST US From: "John Starn" Subject: Re: RV-List: Lister's at SnF --> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" Sorry we wouldn't be able to be there, working at the ovens and anvil, ya know. Just got a new shipment of ore from downunder. Our capes have a JH on them and they came from John his-self, (little wheel in back ?) HRII don't come no odder way. :<)) Wish we could join ya but have a great time. GUMMIBEAR & KABONG N561FS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: RV-List: Lister's at SnF > For all you "pre pre-punched" guys who are flying I'd really like to hand > you a handful of dirt to see just how you mine the ore for spars and fit > that red cape Van's give you when you order that little wheel on the back > end. > > Seriously, anybody up for it?? > > > Dana Overall ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:58 PM PST US From: "Gary" Subject: Re: RV-List: Electronic Ignition vs. Mags --> RV-List message posted by: "Gary" No, he didn't mean with the timing off, he meant with the MAGNETO off. Gary Original message: Time: 03:57:35 PM PST US From: "Keith Vasey" Subject: Electronic Ignition vs. Mags --> RV-List message posted by: "Keith Vasey" "Scarcely tell"... is that a good thing or a bad thing? Do you want to operate with the mag timing "off"? Keith Vasey Seattle --- ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:58 PM PST US From: "Gary" Subject: Re: RV-List: Aeroshell 15w50 --> RV-List message posted by: "Gary" Sam's Club. Gary Time: 07:17:07 AM PST US From: "Bill VonDane" "vansairforce" Subject: Aeroshell 15w50 --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" Where's the cheapest place to get Aeroshell 15w50? -Bill RV-8A www.vondane.com --- ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:22 PM PST US From: "Gary" Subject: Re: RV-List: Removing Tires --> RV-List message posted by: "Gary" I made a simple homemade bead breaker. It is just a lever pinned to a bracket on the wall, and pinned to a bar with a curved piece of 1/8 inch steel welded on the end. The curved piece fits on the bead next to the rim. Put a piece of plywood under the wheel to avoid scratching it. Gary Time: 04:36:04 PM PST US From: "John" Subject: Removing Tires --> RV-List message posted by: "John" Next month I will do my annual condition inspection and plan to replace my main tires. This is my third set. Removing the tires without a dedicated 'breaker' is something I have not mastered. I tug, pull, swear, and nothing seems to make it an easy task. What works for you? --- ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:53 PM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: Re: RV-List: Lister's at SnF --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester Dana Overall wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > > >>From: "WALTER KERR" >>Every year someone comes up with a let's get together so we can put a face >>on some of the other listers we do not know other than by this list. >> >> >I am going to put a note in van's tent ( if they allow me :>) ) that says >let's meet here at noon each day. I will usually show up and we can go >somewhere to eat lunch together and get to chat eyeball to eyeball. >Let's plan on being there at noon and departing for lunch around 10 minutes >after that. >See you there, >Bernie Kerr, 6A flying, 9A rotary power building > > >Well, I'm starting the "let's get together thread". Since I am new (one >year) to the RV list, but very old on the plastic airplane list, I would >truly like to put some faces to names to those on the dark side (alum.). >Bernie's idea of meeting for lunch provides me with a great lunch plan on >Sat. and Sun. > >However, is anyone up for a "let's swap airplane lies" get together? The >regular airshow on Sat. starts at 2PM and ends and 5PM. I'd like to suggest >a gathering at the Van's tent 5PM Saturday and walk to someone's campsite >(even the parking lot if we have too) for a very informal beer and brats >Saturday evening dinner. The night airshow starts at 8:45PM for those who >will not fall over looking skyward after partaking in more beer than brats. >If we can pull this together, I will bring the grill and a couple large >coolers (I'm driving as I can't take the chance of a line of thunder boomers >moving in and missing work (CPA)). > >For all you "pre pre-punched" guys who are flying I'd really like to hand >you a handful of dirt to see just how you mine the ore for spars and fit >that red cape Van's give you when you order that little wheel on the back >end. > >Seriously, anybody up for it?? > > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >RV-7 slider/fuselage >http://rvflying.tripod.com >do not archive > > Hey, Dana I'm planing on driving down with a buddy on Wed. and going to the show Thru. and Friday, then driving back Sat. will you be there then? Maybe we'll bump into each other. -- Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-) ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:18 PM PST US From: "Chris Good" Subject: Re: RV-List: Removing Tires --> RV-List message posted by: "Chris Good" Having struggled though a couple of tire changes, & not having the welding skills to fabricate the sort of device Gary described, I bought a "mini tire changer" from this place for $49 + shipping. http://www.asedeals.com/manual_tire_changers.html It made my last tire change a pleasure. I think Harbor Freight has something similar. Chris Good, West Bend, WI RV-6A -- On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:15:11 Gary wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Gary" > >I made a simple homemade bead breaker. It is just a lever pinned to a bracket on the wall, and pinned to a bar with a curved piece of 1/8 inch steel welded on the end. The curved piece fits on the bead next to the rim. Put a piece of plywood under the wheel to avoid scratching it. > >Gary > > Time: 04:36:04 PM PST US > > From: "John" > > Subject: Removing Tires > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "John" > > Next month I will do my annual condition inspection and plan to replace my > main tires. This is my third set. Removing the tires without a dedicated > 'breaker' is something I have not mastered. I tug, pull, swear, and nothing > seems to make it an easy task. > > What works for you? > > >--- > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:40 PM PST US From: "Michael J. Robbins" Subject: RV-List: SF Bay Area Airports --> RV-List message posted by: "Michael J. Robbins" To those of you in the bay area, I'm planning on visiting a friend in Fremont and it looks like San Jose Muni is the closest airport. Is it friendly to us little guys? Last time I flew out of SJC was in 1969. I know things have changed a lot. I have the option of filing IFR if necessary. I'm planning on arriving next Saturday or Sunday. Mike Robbins RV-8 N88MJ 185 hours Seattle area do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:30 PM PST US From: WPAerial@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: SF Bay Area Airports --> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com i have not been there in a long time myself, but u might think hayward, i think it would be closer 2 fremont. do not archive jerry wilken rv6a n699wp 52 hr. albany oregon going 2 sun - fun 2 morrow : ) ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: oil filter drain From: Don Diehl --> RV-List message posted by: Don Diehl > > Has anyone used the oil filter drain kit that Sporty's sells? > The "tooling" for my RV-4 filter drain is a whole lot cheaper: 1. Loosen and unscrew the filter about 1/4 turn. 2. Use and awl to poke a small hole near the aft end of the filter can, just about at the transition from cylinder to dome. 3. Place a cottage cheese carton on the firewall shelf under the filter. 4. Rotate the filter so the oil dribbles into the carton. 5. Go away and do something else for about 5 minutes. Don Diehl Bremerton WA RV-4 N28EW ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:02 PM PST US From: "Russ Alnutt" Subject: RV-List: Cowling --> RV-List message posted by: "Russ Alnutt" Does anyone know what a Sam Jones speed cowling is? ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:22 PM PST US From: "MICK MULLER" Subject: RV-List: carb heat auto cables --> RV-List message posted by: "MICK MULLER" Hal, For what its worth, my partners and I in a Comanche 180 had to replace both the carby heat cable and mixture cable. In both cases, they were auto parts according to our LAME - (that's Aussie for A & P I think) based on the part numbers stamped on the outside. The dates said they were less than five years old, and the failure occurred when the nylon inner cable had become so hot it had seized up. One of us was extremely lucky to survive the in flight final failure(happened as he pulled carby heat coming on base leg). I know now why the people in charge insist on genuine certified parts - in this case it was a valid reason. We had a minor heart attack when the two cables came in at A$700 including taxes, but sometimes you just gotta pay the extra. Mick Muller From: kempthornes Subject: Re: RV-List: CARB HEAT HOOKUP was: Carb mixture hookup --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes It was suggested to me that I use a simple automotive choke cable for the carb heat cable. It is wire and I terminated it by passing it thru and then wrapping it around the arm. Good for over 100 hours but I would really like something more satisfying. How have you done your carb heat? K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne RV6-a N7HK flying! PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA) ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:51 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Cowling --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" I think you mean a Sam James cowl: http://www.rv-8.com/Cowl.htm )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (canopy) http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Alnutt" Subject: RV-List: Cowling > --> RV-List message posted by: "Russ Alnutt" > > Does anyone know what a Sam Jones speed cowling is? > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:18 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: Cowling --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" Check the archives, and look specifically at Jim Norman's posts. LOTS of information on the Sam James Cowls. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Russ Alnutt Subject: RV-List: Cowling --> RV-List message posted by: "Russ Alnutt" Does anyone know what a Sam Jones speed cowling is? ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:43 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: Cowling --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" You probably mean "Sam James". Sam James and his son (Will?) do a bit of fiberglass work. Sam has a "Fiberglass 101" video even. Same took wha I **think** was the old Barnard cowl (round circular inlets) and improved upon it. He made and sold a plenum to go with it. Supposedly it gets a little more speed due to less and/or more efficient airflow (drag) through the cowl with just as good (or better) cooling. Hope this helps. p.s. If anyone is interested I still have a plenum with the circular inlets that *think* I am willing to sell as I suspect I am not going to be willing to do the extra work in a month or two. James > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Russ Alnutt > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 12:10 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Cowling > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Russ Alnutt" > > Does anyone know what a Sam Jones speed cowling is? > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:18 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: oil filter drain --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 3/29/2003 9:07:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, diehldon@attbi.com writes: > The "tooling" for my RV-4 filter drain is a whole lot cheaper: > 1. Loosen and unscrew the filter about 1/4 turn. > 2. Use and awl to poke a small hole near the aft end of the filter > can, just about at the transition from cylinder to dome. > 3. Place a cottage cheese carton on the firewall shelf under the filter. > 4. Rotate the filter so the oil dribbles into the carton. > 5. Go away and do something else for about 5 minutes. I've got what I think is an even better technique. Leave your filter installed, but poke a 1/16" diameter hole in the top of it using your toad sticker. Open your sump drain valve. Let the first quart or so drain out, take your sample for analysis and let the balance drain into a pail until you think it's just about done. Then fire up your air compressor (clean filtered dry air only need apply) set at 10 psi or so and blow air into the hole in your filter (the rubber tipped nozzles seal well). You will see a lot more oil that was trapped in the system and filter get blown down into the sump to drain out. Do this a few times while you clean and gap your plugs and when you finally unscrew the filter, it will be 99.44% empty. Don't forget to cut it open to inspect for metal. -GV (RV-6A N1GV 593hrs) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:31 AM PST US From: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" Subject: Re: RV-List: Washington Post Article --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" Cy, While I agree with the apparent over reaction by the present administration in regard to a "General Aviation Threat" the following should be noted: 1) Reagan being quoted by the most anti-conservative paper in the country is a riot! 2) This is the same paper who attacks the Second Amendment almost daily so their interest in protecting our rights is a travesty. 3) Reading the Washington Post is similar in content to the reading the "Pravda" in the cold war days. Hopefully the Washington Post is on the same downward spiral that CNN, ABC and MSNBC is in the current ratings against Fox News on the War Coverage. The Homeland Security Department was set up by the Bush Administration......WITH the overwhelming support of the Congress and Senate....Democrats included! I note the Pravda....err Post tends to lead the reader when covenant, to attack the President directly instead of ALL the Branches of Government who brought us the Homeland Security Department. Was the Homeland Security Department a mistake....would have made a better topic but unlikely to be approached by the Socialist Washington Post. DO NOT ARCHIVE Tom in Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cy Galley" Subject: RV-List: Washington Post Article > --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" > > washingtonpost.com > The President's Personal No-Fly Zone > > > By Melanie Scarborough > > Sunday, March 30, 2003; Page B08 > > > "The greatest threat to freedom, even in today's perilous times, comes from > no foreign force. It comes from the dangerous habit many of our leaders fell > into over several generations -- letting the power and the resources that > are the basis of freedom slip from grass-roots America into the hands of a > remote central authority." > > -- Ronald Reagan, 1982 > > In this age of terrorism, power and resources no longer slip into the hands > of central authorities, as President Reagan warned two decades ago -- they > are unabashedly snatched by leaders who claim to be promoting security. > > Consider the Bush administration's ban on general aviation at Reagan > National Airport. Before Sept. 11, 2001, the airport handled about 175 > general aviation (private planes seating fewer than 20 passengers) flights a > day. After the terrorist attacks, the administration closed the airport to > private planes, except for a handful authorized to carry government > officials. Signature Flight Support, the company that services general > aviation at National, has lost millions of dollars since then. Many of its > employees have lost their jobs, and citizens are denied access to a public > facility -- all because of edicts from the Bush administration, which has no > direct jurisdiction over the airport. > > In 1986 Congress transferred control of National and Dulles airports to > Virginia and the District. The two jurisdictions then created the > Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority to operate the airports. The > executive branch always has had theoretical control of the airports through > the Federal Aviation Administration, but no other president has interfered > in their operations. After the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush went so far as to > voice publicly the possibility of permanently closing National. > > After Virginia's congressional delegation went to the White House as > supplicants, Bush decided to allow commercial flights at National to resume > gradually. But general aviation within a 15-mile radius of the Washington > Monument is still prohibited. Has anyone pressed officials to make their > case that the risk justifies such a restriction? > > General aviation is a hard sector for terrorists to infiltrate because it > consists of a small group of people who know one another. Airfield operators > know their pilots; pilots know their passengers. National drew a > particularly safe crowd because it was never popular with recreational > fliers. Its pre-Sept. 11 clientele were mostly business travelers -- CEOs > who schedule flights in advance and have professional pilots with security > clearances. > > Yet federal officials seem oblivious to these facts, according to David > Wartofsky, owner of Potomac Airfield in Fort Washington. Potomac Airfield is > the home base of many planes used by government agencies and flown by > high-level military pilots -- who now are being vetted by low-level agents > from the Transportation Security Administration (TSA). "Probably 98 percent > of our pilots have top-security clearance," says Wartofsky. "They're cleared > to a higher standard than the TSA people standing around watching them." > > Even governors are considered suspect by the Bush administration. To be > eligible for a waiver to fly into National, a governor's pilot must undergo > federal security screening, and the governor must be accompanied by sworn > law enforcement officers -- the better to restrain a chief executive > suddenly seized by terrorist impulses. Do the luminaries who think governors > can be trusted with a National Guard but not with a private plane really > represent the best minds available to judge the safety of general aviation? > > None of the restrictions the administration has imposed prevents terrorists > from taking off from fields or deserted highways and flying into restricted > airspace. But even in that scenario, the threat would be minimal. > > A jet loaded with 17,000 gallons of fuel traveling 600 mph is a flying bomb. > A small plane carrying 50 gallons of fuel puttering along at 100 mph is not. > At 2,500 pounds, a Cessna weighs less than half as much as a Ford Explorer. > When a deranged pilot crashed a stolen Cessna into the White House in 1994, > he killed himself and mangled his plane but barely nicked the president's > residence. > > So where are Virginia's leaders, who should be defending the airport's > interests? Why don't they demand that the administration stop hampering a > local industry by trumping a local authority? > > The administration's usurping of power and resources is not justified by the > risk. Reagan understood what Bush does not: Centralized power is the real > threat to freedom. > > ScarboroughsFare@aol.com > > Cy Galley > Editor, EAA Safety Programs > cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:31 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: oil filter drain: TIP OF THE WEEK From: Denis Walsh --> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh > GV, you have my vote for the TIP OF THE WEEK! I can=B9t wait to try it. > > A tip especially useful for unique RV needs > > Denis > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com > > > I've got what I think is an even better technique. Leave your filter > installed, but poke a 1/16" diameter hole in the top of it using your toad > sticker. Open your sump drain valve. Let the first quart or so drain out, > take your sample for analysis and let the balance drain into a pail until you > think it's just about done. > > Then fire up your air compressor (clean filtered dry air only need apply) set > at 10 psi or so and blow air into the hole in your filter (the rubber tipped > nozzles seal well). You will see a lot more oil that was trapped in the > system and filter get blown down into the sump to drain out. Do this a few > times while you clean and gap your plugs and when you finally unscrew the > filter, it will be 99.44% empty. Don't forget to cut it open to inspect for > metal. > > -GV (RV-6A N1GV 593hrs) > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:35 AM PST US From: "Ross Scroggs" Subject: Re: RV-List: Lister's at SnF --> RV-List message posted by: "Ross Scroggs" I'll be driving down on Friday and will be camping in the camping area. I'll make it a point to be a Van's at 5 PM on Saturday. See you there, Ross Scroggs Conyers, Ga. RV4 #3911 wings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: RV-List: Lister's at SnF > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > > > >From: "WALTER KERR" > >Every year someone comes up with a let's get together so we can put a face > >on some of the other listers we do not know other than by this list. > I am going to put a note in van's tent ( if they allow me :>) ) that says > let's meet here at noon each day. I will usually show up and we can go > somewhere to eat lunch together and get to chat eyeball to eyeball. > Let's plan on being there at noon and departing for lunch around 10 minutes > after that. > See you there, > Bernie Kerr, 6A flying, 9A rotary power building > > > Well, I'm starting the "let's get together thread". Since I am new (one > year) to the RV list, but very old on the plastic airplane list, I would > truly like to put some faces to names to those on the dark side (alum.). > Bernie's idea of meeting for lunch provides me with a great lunch plan on > Sat. and Sun. > > However, is anyone up for a "let's swap airplane lies" get together? The > regular airshow on Sat. starts at 2PM and ends and 5PM. I'd like to suggest > a gathering at the Van's tent 5PM Saturday and walk to someone's campsite > (even the parking lot if we have too) for a very informal beer and brats > Saturday evening dinner. The night airshow starts at 8:45PM for those who > will not fall over looking skyward after partaking in more beer than brats. > If we can pull this together, I will bring the grill and a couple large > coolers (I'm driving as I can't take the chance of a line of thunder boomers > moving in and missing work (CPA)). > > For all you "pre pre-punched" guys who are flying I'd really like to hand > you a handful of dirt to see just how you mine the ore for spars and fit > that red cape Van's give you when you order that little wheel on the back > end. > > Seriously, anybody up for it?? > > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider/fuselage > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:37 AM PST US From: "Richard Bibb" Subject: Re: RV-List: Washington Post Article --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Bibb" The piece quoted was on a op ed page where the pieces are not written by Post Editorial staff... It does not give the affiliation of the author. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" Subject: Re: RV-List: Washington Post Article > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" > > Cy, While I agree with the apparent over reaction by the present > administration in regard to a "General Aviation Threat" the following should > be noted: > 1) Reagan being quoted by the most anti-conservative > paper in the country is a riot! > 2) This is the same paper who attacks the Second > Amendment almost daily so their interest in > protecting our rights is a travesty. > 3) Reading the Washington Post is similar in content to > the reading the "Pravda" in the cold war days. > > Hopefully the Washington Post is on the same downward spiral > that CNN, ABC and MSNBC is in the current ratings against Fox News on the > War Coverage. The Homeland Security Department was set up by the Bush > Administration......WITH the overwhelming support of the Congress and > Senate....Democrats included! > I note the Pravda....err Post tends to lead the reader when > covenant, to attack the President directly instead of ALL the Branches of > Government who brought us the Homeland Security Department. > Was the Homeland Security Department a mistake....would have > made a better topic but unlikely to be approached by the Socialist > Washington Post. > DO NOT ARCHIVE > Tom in Ohio > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cy Galley" > To: > Subject: RV-List: Washington Post Article > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" > > > > washingtonpost.com > > The President's Personal No-Fly Zone > > > > > > By Melanie Scarborough > > > > Sunday, March 30, 2003; Page B08 > > > > > > "The greatest threat to freedom, even in today's perilous times, comes > from > > no foreign force. It comes from the dangerous habit many of our leaders > fell > > into over several generations -- letting the power and the resources that > > are the basis of freedom slip from grass-roots America into the hands of a > > remote central authority." > > > > -- Ronald Reagan, 1982 > > > > In this age of terrorism, power and resources no longer slip into the > hands > > of central authorities, as President Reagan warned two decades ago -- they > > are unabashedly snatched by leaders who claim to be promoting security. > > > > Consider the Bush administration's ban on general aviation at Reagan > > National Airport. Before Sept. 11, 2001, the airport handled about 175 > > general aviation (private planes seating fewer than 20 passengers) flights > a > > day. After the terrorist attacks, the administration closed the airport to > > private planes, except for a handful authorized to carry government > > officials. Signature Flight Support, the company that services general > > aviation at National, has lost millions of dollars since then. Many of its > > employees have lost their jobs, and citizens are denied access to a public > > facility -- all because of edicts from the Bush administration, which has > no > > direct jurisdiction over the airport. > > > > In 1986 Congress transferred control of National and Dulles airports to > > Virginia and the District. The two jurisdictions then created the > > Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority to operate the airports. The > > executive branch always has had theoretical control of the airports > through > > the Federal Aviation Administration, but no other president has interfered > > in their operations. After the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush went so far as to > > voice publicly the possibility of permanently closing National. > > > > After Virginia's congressional delegation went to the White House as > > supplicants, Bush decided to allow commercial flights at National to > resume > > gradually. But general aviation within a 15-mile radius of the Washington > > Monument is still prohibited. Has anyone pressed officials to make their > > case that the risk justifies such a restriction? > > > > General aviation is a hard sector for terrorists to infiltrate because it > > consists of a small group of people who know one another. Airfield > operators > > know their pilots; pilots know their passengers. National drew a > > particularly safe crowd because it was never popular with recreational > > fliers. Its pre-Sept. 11 clientele were mostly business travelers -- CEOs > > who schedule flights in advance and have professional pilots with security > > clearances. > > > > Yet federal officials seem oblivious to these facts, according to David > > Wartofsky, owner of Potomac Airfield in Fort Washington. Potomac Airfield > is > > the home base of many planes used by government agencies and flown by > > high-level military pilots -- who now are being vetted by low-level agents > > from the Transportation Security Administration (TSA). "Probably 98 > percent > > of our pilots have top-security clearance," says Wartofsky. "They're > cleared > > to a higher standard than the TSA people standing around watching them." > > > > Even governors are considered suspect by the Bush administration. To be > > eligible for a waiver to fly into National, a governor's pilot must > undergo > > federal security screening, and the governor must be accompanied by sworn > > law enforcement officers -- the better to restrain a chief executive > > suddenly seized by terrorist impulses. Do the luminaries who think > governors > > can be trusted with a National Guard but not with a private plane really > > represent the best minds available to judge the safety of general > aviation? > > > > None of the restrictions the administration has imposed prevents > terrorists > > from taking off from fields or deserted highways and flying into > restricted > > airspace. But even in that scenario, the threat would be minimal. > > > > A jet loaded with 17,000 gallons of fuel traveling 600 mph is a flying > bomb. > > A small plane carrying 50 gallons of fuel puttering along at 100 mph is > not. > > At 2,500 pounds, a Cessna weighs less than half as much as a Ford > Explorer. > > When a deranged pilot crashed a stolen Cessna into the White House in > 1994, > > he killed himself and mangled his plane but barely nicked the president's > > residence. > > > > So where are Virginia's leaders, who should be defending the airport's > > interests? Why don't they demand that the administration stop hampering a > > local industry by trumping a local authority? > > > > The administration's usurping of power and resources is not justified by > the > > risk. Reagan understood what Bush does not: Centralized power is the real > > threat to freedom. > > > > ScarboroughsFare@aol.com > > > > Cy Galley > > Editor, EAA Safety Programs > > cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:10 AM PST US From: kempthornes Subject: Re: RV-List: Lycoming Warranty Policy --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes At 10:50 AM 3/30/2003 -0600, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen Johnson" No. Lycoming and Continental both make a profit on customers who purchase their products and have ADs, you know. Lycoming most recently sold engines with defective crankshafts. In some cases, customers had to foot most of the bill for putting it right. In most cases, however, they installed new crankshafts at their cost. > I wonder if there is >any history of Lycoming standing behind its product to a similar degree? K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne RV6-a N7HK flying! PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:56 AM PST US From: kempthornes Subject: Re: RV-List: SF Bay Area Airports --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes At 08:33 PM 3/29/2003 -0800, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Michael J. Robbins" > > >To those of you in the bay area, I'm planning on visiting a friend in >Fremont Go to Hayward. RHV is crowded and SJC is too and is expensive and unfriendly as they want you to use the relievers. I used to be based at SJC. I often considered basing at HWD even tho it would mean a 45 min drive to the airport. K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne RV6-a N7HK flying! PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:05 AM PST US From: kempthornes Subject: Re: RV-List: carb heat auto cables --> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes At 03:24 PM 3/30/2003 +1000, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "MICK MULLER" > We had a minor heart attack when the two cables came in at A$700 > including taxes, but sometimes you just gotta pay the extra. Hi Mick, I think I met you at Oshkosh a few years ago at Van's dinner by the lake? Anyway for benefit of everyone else since it is too late for you, the cables are much cheaper if you get them from ACSpruce. I had to pay about $350 for a throttle cable for my Debonair 5 or 6 years ago while the exact same cable was about $60 at ACS. The clerk told me it was the same, made by Cablecraft but sold without paperwork. For us experimentals that paperwork is not needed. >K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne >RV6-a N7HK flying! >PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:38 AM PST US From: "WALTER KERR" Subject: Re: RV-List: Washington Post Article --> RV-List message posted by: "WALTER KERR" OK folks, let's not start a political thread on the RV List. There are list that are available to those inclined. If it affects the free use of our airplanes, this may be the list; but please do not start a liberal vs conservative thread!! Have my asbestos suit on so flame away. Bernie Kerr Do not ------------- > > 1) Reagan being quoted by the most anti-conservative > > paper in the country is a riot! > > 2) This is the same paper who attacks the Second > > Amendment almost daily so their interest in > > protecting our rights is a travesty. > > 3) Reading the Washington Post is similar in content to > > the reading the "Pravda" in the cold war days. > > > > Hopefully the Washington Post is on the same downward spiral > > that CNN, ABC and MSNBC is in the current ratings against Fox News on the > > War Coverage. The Homeland Security Department was set up by the Bush > > Administration......WITH the overwhelming support of the Congress and > > Senate....Democrats included! > > I note the Pravda....err Post tends to lead the reader when > > covenant, to attack the President directly instead of ALL the Branches of > > Government who brought us the Homeland Security Department. > > Was the Homeland Security Department a mistake....would > have > > made a better topic but unlikely to be approached by the Socialist > > Washington Post. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:08 AM PST US From: "Jim Norman" Subject: RE: RV-List: Sam James Cowling --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Norman" I too will be at Sun-n-Fun, displaying my Sam James Cowl. I will also have a photo album that I will show you... it documents the tremendous amount of work required to put one of these cowls on an RV-6 or 7. (the 8 cowl is different, and apparently fits quite well). My plane is very fast, and I'm sure the Cowl and Plenum make a big difference, however, if you are thinking about doing this cowl for a 6 or a 7, you need to know that it does NOT fit out of the box... unless you use a 4" spacer for your NON-constant speed prop.... this is the way that Steve Bernard made the original. It does not fit a 6 or 7 with a constant speed prop. I have written much about this within this forum over the past 2 years... but if you are at Sun-n-Fun, I'll show you photos that will speak volumes. Not trying to discourage this route exactly, just being honest with the rest of the group about what types of skills and the work needed. jim tampa cell-813-340-2965 -- will have it with me all week. "Razzmatazz" will be on the flight line by Tuesday mid-day. Bright blue over white. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ned Bowers Subject: RV-List: Sam James Cowling --> RV-List message posted by: "Ned Bowers" Sam James will be at SunNFun at the Skybolt (fasteners)display just to the west of the FAA Building. He can demonstrate his cowlings, including the Skybolt CLoc fastened cowling and intallation kits. The Skybolt fastener kits are on sale through the end of SunNFun for 30% off. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RV-List Digest Server Subject: RV-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 03/29/03 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:26:13 PM PST US From: "Dr. Leathers" Subject: Re: RV-List: Washington Post Article --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" Thanks Walter! Doc Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "WALTER KERR" Subject: Re: RV-List: Washington Post Article > --> RV-List message posted by: "WALTER KERR" > > OK folks, let's not start a political thread on the RV List. There are list > that are available to those inclined. If it affects the free use of our > airplanes, this may be the list; but please do not start a liberal vs > conservative thread!! > > Have my asbestos suit on so flame away. > > Bernie Kerr > > Do not > > > > > 1) Reagan being quoted by the most anti-conservative > > > paper in the country is a riot! > > > 2) This is the same paper who attacks the Second > > > Amendment almost daily so their interest in > > > protecting our rights is a travesty. > > > 3) Reading the Washington Post is similar in content > to > > > the reading the "Pravda" in the cold war days. > > > > > > Hopefully the Washington Post is on the same downward > spiral > > > that CNN, ABC and MSNBC is in the current ratings against Fox News on > the > > > War Coverage. The Homeland Security Department was set up by the Bush > > > Administration......WITH the overwhelming support of the Congress and > > > Senate....Democrats included! > > > I note the Pravda....err Post tends to lead the reader > when > > > covenant, to attack the President directly instead of ALL the Branches > of > > > Government who brought us the Homeland Security Department. > > > Was the Homeland Security Department a mistake....would > > have > > > made a better topic but unlikely to be approached by the Socialist > > > Washington Post. > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:35 PM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: Dynon and Flaps --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North Hey #40, lemme know if you get as now scheduled, that means I'm one week behind you. RE intermittant, bang on it, flap problem I was having. Thank you oh great mecca God RV list, once again you were wise and benevolent to the unclean builder. The job took about two hours, flap motor brushes and commutator were black with goop. Didn't seem like there was a source for the grease to be up there as the rest of the armature and housing was clean and the upper bearing was sealed. My question to the list is, is it possible they are assembling these with some dielectric grease on the brushes? I've never heard of this being done on a dc motor, but who knows. The other possibility is that the brushes could be made out of an oilite type material. There was absolutely no wear on the commutator or the brushes that I could tell. They wiped clean and the gaps between each plate rinsed out with a little alcohol and a toothpick. For those doing it, not a big job, but, and its a little "but", getting the micro springs loaded behind the brushes after installing the brush plate was kinda tricky. It took three hands, one foot, my mouth and some long thin pokey pushey tools. It might be easier to make a tube that holds them open during assembly off the armature and lets them then be slid down onto the commutator. This would require removing the upper shims and spacers. Whatever you do don't lose them. There were five total. 2 steel, 2 rubber/plastic, and one rubberized/cloth against the top of the commutator. I would also recommend getting your glasses prescription renewed prior to this job if you are over 40. Some of those parts are really dinky. W ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:44 PM PST US From: "Konrad Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Sam James Cowling --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" > My plane is very fast, and I'm sure the Cowl and Plenum make a big > difference, however, if you are thinking about doing this cowl for a 6 or a > 7, you need to know that it does NOT fit out of the box... unless you use a > 4" spacer for your NON-constant speed prop.... this is the way that Steve > Bernard made the original. It does not fit a 6 or 7 with a constant speed > prop. Hi Jim, What solution did you come up with, to still be able to use your Hartzell CS-Prop with this Sam James Cowl? I presume you have the short "Compact" Hub Design? Thanks, Konrad ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:35 PM PST US From: JusCash@aol.com Subject: RV-List: SF Bay Area Airports --> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com Hayward would be a better choice for Fremont. Second choice is Reid Hillview in San Jose. Hayward has several procedures for IFR arrivals and departures. I am located in Hanger J1 in the West Tee's. Drop by and say hello. Cash Copeland RV6 N46FC Hayward, Ca > Time: 08:36:40 PM PST US > From: "Michael J. Robbins" > Subject: RV-List: SF Bay Area Airports > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Michael J. Robbins" < > michael.j.robbins@verizon.net> > > To those of you in the bay area, I'm planning on visiting a friend in > Fremont and it looks like San Jose Muni is the closest airport. Is it > friendly to us little guys? Last time I flew out of SJC was in 1969. I > know things have changed a lot. I have the option of filing IFR if > necessary. I'm planning on arriving next Saturday or Sunday. > > Mike Robbins > RV-8 N88MJ 185 hours > Seattle area > > do not archive > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:15 PM PST US From: "Laurel Mckone" Subject: RV-List: Fuel Price --> RV-List message posted by: "Laurel Mckone" For those going to Sun-n-fun, the cheapest place to buy fuel is at the Dunnellon airport X-35, about 70 miles north of Lakeland. Laurel McKone RV-9A N120LM ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:26 PM PST US From: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" Subject: RV-List: Electrical System Gremlin --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" Just finished up all the Electrics on my RV6-A in the Hanger (garage) out back and have a small Gremlin. Everything works including transmit and receiving on both Comm's. Symptoms are as follows after turning on the Master: 1) About a 15 Amp. discharge shown on the Amp. Gauge with only the Oil Pressure Light and BC Regulator Charge light activated? 2) Everything works with no more discharge shown no matter how many things are brought online? 3) Now it gets interesting........If I transmit on either radio the following occurs: a) CHT & EXT Gauges dance like crazy! b) Amp Gauge goes Nuts! c) Flap & Trim Indicators leds dance! d) Fuel gauges advance very slightly even though the wings and thus indicators are not hooked up? The airport which is 3 miles away says I am transmitting crystal clear even from inside my garage with a belly antenna?!? Any suggestions of where to start looking would be appreciated as I don't want to put the forward skin down till I get this fixed. Tom in Ohio ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:50 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: oil filter drain: TIP OF THE WEEK --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" Just out of curiosity ... wouldn't this approach potentially blow any metal you had BACK into the engine? James > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Denis Walsh > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 12:41 PM > To: rv list matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: oil filter drain: TIP OF THE WEEK > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh > > > GV, you have my vote for the TIP OF THE WEEK! I can=B9t wait to try it. > > > > A tip especially useful for unique RV needs > > > > Denis > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com > > > > > > I've got what I think is an even better technique. Leave your filter > > installed, but poke a 1/16" diameter hole in the top of it > using your toad > > sticker. Open your sump drain valve. Let the first quart or > so drain out, > > take your sample for analysis and let the balance drain into a > pail until you > > think it's just about done. > > > > Then fire up your air compressor (clean filtered dry air only > need apply) set > > at 10 psi or so and blow air into the hole in your filter (the > rubber tipped > > nozzles seal well). You will see a lot more oil that was trapped in the > > system and filter get blown down into the sump to drain out. > Do this a few > > times while you clean and gap your plugs and when you finally > unscrew the > > filter, it will be 99.44% empty. Don't forget to cut it open > to inspect for > > metal. > > > > -GV (RV-6A N1GV 593hrs) > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:50 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: oil filter drain: TIP OF THE WEEK --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 3/30/2003 8:16:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, james@nextupventures.com writes: > Just out of curiosity ... wouldn't this approach potentially blow any metal > you had BACK into the engine? There IS a potential of blowing it back down into the sump, but consider this. Anything captured by the filter becomes trapped in the tight internal pleats under fairly high oil pressure (75 psi or so). Unless your engine is producing substantial metal, I believe the probability of dislodging any significant amount of material to any great degree thru the use of the very low reverse air pressure I have recommended to be remote. You could use even lower pressures if you were concerned about this. Further, if you had enough metal that this would be a concern, there is the strong probability that the filter might plug go into bypass anyway. But, you are correct to point this out as a possible downside of the technique I have mentioned. Therefore, I would caution against using this technique if you know your engine is making metal, hence the need for regular oil analysis. -GV (RV-6A N1GV 593hrs) ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:10 PM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon and Flaps --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" I hear ya old #63 #40 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wheeler North" Subject: RV-List: Dynon and Flaps > --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North > > Hey #40, > > lemme know if you get as now scheduled, that means I'm one week behind you. >snip<