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1. 06:36 AM - Chicago Mayor's office phone #-Meigs Field (Vern Darley,II)
2. 07:40 AM - Re: Rudder tip strobe? (Gunter Malich)
3. 07:55 AM - Re: Rudder tip strobe? (Bill Dube)
4. 08:22 AM - Re: Chicago Mayor's office phone #-Meigs Field (C. Rabaut)
5. 09:18 AM - Whacky gauges (Wheeler North)
6. 09:29 AM - Vans alternators (Wheeler North)
7. 10:03 AM - Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY... (Matt Dralle)
8. 10:24 AM - Re: RV4-List: Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY... (C. Rabaut)
9. 11:12 AM - Meigs field (Wiethe, Philip (P.J.))
10. 11:26 AM - Painting inside of cowl? (Scott Bilinski)
11. 12:09 PM - Firewall Penetrations (Jeff Point)
12. 12:46 PM - Re: Painting inside of cowl? (Randy Lervold)
13. 12:49 PM - Re: Painting inside of cowl? (Rob Miller)
14. 01:05 PM - Re: Painting inside of cowl? (John Starn)
15. 01:26 PM - Re:battery connection (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
16. 02:09 PM - Sliding Canopy Sealing (Neil Henderson)
17. 02:18 PM - Re: Re:battery connection (Scott Bilinski)
18. 02:47 PM - Re: Meigs field (Brian Denk)
19. 04:41 PM - Re: Chicago Mayor's office phone #-Meigs Field (Gert)
20. 04:45 PM - Re: Painting inside of cowl? (Elsa & Henry)
21. 04:50 PM - Re: Rudder tip strobe? (Ed Holyoke)
22. 05:28 PM - Re: Painting inside of cowl? (Jim Norman)
23. 05:30 PM - Re:Re:battery connection (Bert Forero)
24. 05:32 PM - backing strip around tip-up rear window (Dan Checkoway)
25. 05:50 PM - Nav antenna-cable (Bert Forero)
26. 06:06 PM - Re: Nav antenna-cable (Alex Peterson)
27. 06:11 PM - Re: backing strip around tip-up rear window (Jeff Point)
28. 06:30 PM - VAL and GPS (Paul Brown)
29. 06:40 PM - Re: Re: Rudder tip strobe? (Finn Lassen)
30. 07:02 PM - Panel Planner DXF File Problem (Jordan Grant)
31. 07:18 PM - Re: Rudder tip strobe? (Wayne Reese)
32. 07:19 PM - Re: Rudder tip strobe? (Randy Compton)
33. 07:50 PM - Re: backing strip around tip-up rear window (Larry Pardue)
34. 09:12 PM - Re: Panel Planner DXF File Problem (sdavis12)
35. 09:34 PM - Re: Nav antenna-cable (Dick DeCramer)
36. 09:46 PM - Re: Firewall Penetrations (Dick DeCramer)
37. 11:22 PM - Kamikaze RC 'S (ranchspinner@Webtv.net (Mary L Bradley))
38. 11:48 PM - Re: Re: Wing tip strobes (Vanremog@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Chicago Mayor's office phone #-Meigs Field |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vern Darley,II" <vern@mindspring.com>
I called the Mayor's office -- 312-744-3334 --A lady is assigned to note our names
and phone numbers for callback. Suggest calls,especially from those with business
contacts in Chicago.
Express yourself now firmly, but politely, or be content with the long-term impact
on aviation from unaccountable and often ignorant politicians tearing up our
airports.
Contact your senators and representatives,also.
Vern
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder tip strobe? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gunter Malich" <gmalich@telus.net>
Regarding strobe locations, I'm wondering about distraction from wing tip strobes.
Most people seem to put their wing strobes external to their tips, and that
should result in maximum light shielding to the pilot. But how about strobes
mounted within wingtip lenses such as the Airtech or the RMD systems? Do these
embedded configurations add any undesireable distraction?
I'm about to place my order with Vans for the Airtech tips, so would be very interested
in advice from those who've "been there". (Really like the look of embedded
tips, but more concerned with functionality.)
Gunter Malich
RV-8 Wings
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
>>I even get a little reflection on my (black) prop from the wing strobes. That's
annoying >>enough.
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| Subject: | Rudder tip strobe? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
At 12:05 AM 4/1/2003, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Ed Holyoke <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
>
>I'm guessing that you meant vertical stab tip.
No, I really meant the rudder tip. The rudder tip is slightly
above and well behind the stab tip. If I were to mount a compact strobe on
the rudder tip, the stab tip in front of it would tend to shade the cockpit
area from direct strobe illumination. The farther back I mount it, the
greater the cockpit shading will be.
>Most of the spam you see with single tail strobe are going to have a
>roof over the cockpit blocking the strobe flash from the panel. In fact,
>Cessna's with tail strobes have a piece of metal in front of the tail
>strobe to help keep the light from coming through that wrap around rear
>glass. That's more drag on top of the more drag of an exposed beacon and
>it blocks light to the front for anti-collision purposes. With a clear
>canopy, it seems like the potential for annoying and distracting light
>in the cockpit is high.
That's why I'm thinking about the rudder tip instead of the stab
tip. Shading without adding drag.
> I've done enough night flying to have observed that, while position
>lights are visible alright, your eyes are drawn to strobes and you see
>them much sooner and further away. Then you look for the position lights
>to help you figure out the direction of flight. Wingtip strobes have the
>added benefit of making your airplane look much bigger. Having two
>sources of light 24' apart is much more visible than a single light,
>especially if they're alternating flashes and/or making multiple flashes
>like the Whelan comet flash.
>
>These are fast airplanes with potentially high closure rates to other
>traffic. The more visible you are, the better chance of them avoiding
>you if you don't see them first. Go for the brightest, flashingest,
>multiple light setup you can afford.
Personally, I wonder how much any of this really helps.
In the pattern, I would think lighting would be a significant help
because the participants are moving relatively slowly, looking for each
other, and they are turning a lot. Thus, any lighting at all will make a
big difference in visibility. A tail strobe would be very nearly as
effective as wing tip strobes in this situation.
Conversely, while en route, I think the strobe is akin to
whistling in the dark. At 400 mph closing speed, just a moment's
inattention at the precise wrong time will result in a mid-air. Just
reading a chart or twiddling the knobs on the nav is too much time away
from the horizon to avoid a mid-air if on a collision course. What really
saves us all is the few number of aircraft in the vast three dimensional
space. The odds of occupying the exact same point at the exact same time
are mighty slim.
I personally have experienced a 200 foot near miss while being
directed by ATC in controlled airspace in broad daylight, and I do not have
that many hours. I have a good friend that experienced a 25 foot head-on
near miss in broad daylight while looking straight ahead! The other plane
was a knife edge in line with the horizon and did not become visible until
it was far too late to react. This is a young guy with top-notch vision
that used to be a Navy pilot.
The sad fact is that you can best see the airplane that is NOT
going to hit you. Lights make some difference, but I wonder how much of a
difference "better" lighting actually makes.
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| Subject: | Re: Chicago Mayor's office phone #-Meigs Field |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
I just called and spoke with "the lady". She was very pleasant, noted my
name/phone #/business (P.D.) and seemed to be jotting down notes about my
concerns & dis-pleasure at the Mayors extremely poor choice/actions. She
was very non-committal; I'll advise if or when I get a reply. I expect
some sort of standard format "So sad, too bad, he did the best he could"
B.S.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vern Darley,II <vern@mindspring.com>
Subject: RV-List: Chicago Mayor's office phone #-Meigs Field
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Vern Darley,II" <vern@mindspring.com>
>
> I called the Mayor's office -- 312-744-3334 --A lady is assigned to note
our names and phone numbers for callback. Suggest calls,especially from
those with business contacts in Chicago.
>
> Express yourself now firmly, but politely, or be content with the
long-term impact on aviation from unaccountable and often ignorant
politicians tearing up our airports.
>
> Contact your senators and representatives,also.
>
> Vern
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Folks,
after 25 years as a technician chasing electrical faults in cars and
airplanes, nothing in my plane is grounded to the chassis unless it has to
be, such as the starter.
I have a several ground busses as well as a several power busses. One for
radios, one master, one for lights and one for instruments.
The shunts are on the positive side of the battery and the generator, and I
have a selector switch that allows me to read batt charge rate or gen load.
The whacky problem occurs with either setting, and it occured on the other
vans gauges (mostly MAP) with the amp gauge out of the airplane. This is why
I suspect the interference is on the power/gnd side of the gauges. I also
have two radios with different antennas, one on turtle deck and one under
wing and both do it.
This amp gauge is the only one I ever seen that has a power and ground
source in addition to the shunt sources. A standard D'Arsenval movement
shouldn't need anything other than the V-drop felt across the shunt.
Personally I think they have redisigned the napkin to be an electric napkin
and it is now complicated to the point that it won't function as a napkin
anymore, but it goes look good when installed.
W
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| Subject: | Vans alternators |
--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Folks,
an interesting report on Vans alternators.
I teach in an A&P school where we are building up a mockup test stand with
the aerosance FADEC. One of the things I did was to buy as much as I could
from Vans, to be loyal, in spite of the fact that it was a total pain in the
ass to get the Government and Vans to do business with each other.
But our electronics instructor stole the 60 amp alternator I bought from
Vans to test it as he is working on developing a 100 amp version that is
correct.
The bad news is at 60 amps that unit exceeded the maximum core temperatures
allowed for the alternator's insulation, (I think it was 225deg C). I am
relatively certain that Vans will say there is not a problem as that is
their standard answer to me, in particular, when I call them.
The other problem is most of these conversion alternators are being spun
backwards to their designed direction of rotation. (Most automotive is
opposite of aviation) The only thing this effects is which way the internal
centrifugal fan tries to pump cooling air, which should be outwards.
My guy has come up with a list of off the shelf parts that one can use to
put together a 100 amper with the correct fan and brush assembly that allows
for an external V-reg (two post field brush assm.) As soon as I can get the
list from him I'll post it.
W
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| Subject: | Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
The time has finally arrived for the Internet Service Provider (ISP)
upgrade! You'll recall that I was looking into upgrading the existing SDSL
connection from 768k to 1.1M. As it turned out, the copper line wouldn't
support any speeds greater than the current 768k. In light of that news, I
just bit-the-bullet and ordered a full, commercial-grade T1
connection. The T1 connection will provide a full-duplex, high priority,
1.5Mb Internet connection which should be a substantial performance
enhancement for all of the List services!
Pacbell delivered the T1 Loop last week and it tested out fine. This past
weekend I pulled the tail circuit from the demark to the office. This
afternoon, Tuesday 4/1/03, the ISP is suppose come and install the new
router and bring up routing on a test subnet. Assuming that everything
checks out okay with the T1, new router, and routing, I will have them
swing the main Matronics subnet off the SDSL and onto the T1. In theory,
the swing could be nearly transparent to users, but that's usually not the
case... ;-)
Please expect a bit of instability in connectivity this afternoon as we
work though the transition issues. I will post a follow up message when
everything is up and running on the new T1 line.
Finally, please know that it is solely your Contributions that make these
kinds of List upgrades happen! There is no advertising budget (aka,
flashing banner ads and annoying pop up browser windows) to pay these
bills; operational support is solely from List members like you during the
yearly List Fund Raiser. If you would like to make your Contribution to
support the Lists and upgrades like this T1 connectivity enhancement,
please see the List Contribution Web Site where you can make your
Contribution with a Credit Card, PayPal, or Personal Check. You can even
get a free List Archive CDROM with a qualifying List Contribution! The URL
is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thanks again to EVERYONE that made a generous Contribution last year and
enabled this awesome upgrade to T1 service!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: RV4-List: Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Matt,
Thank you for ALL your on-going work to keep our lists "UP". Unless
this is your idea of an "April Fool's" Joke... This will be another (of
many) fine improvement that you have self-initiated for all of us listers.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: RV4-List: Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY...
> --> RV4-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> The time has finally arrived for the Internet Service Provider (ISP)
> upgrade! You'll recall that I was looking into upgrading the existing
SDSL
> connection from 768k to 1.1M. As it turned out, the copper line wouldn't
> support any speeds greater than the current 768k. In light of that news,
I
> just bit-the-bullet and ordered a full, commercial-grade T1
> connection. The T1 connection will provide a full-duplex, high priority,
> 1.5Mb Internet connection which should be a substantial performance
> enhancement for all of the List services!
>
> Pacbell delivered the T1 Loop last week and it tested out fine. This past
> weekend I pulled the tail circuit from the demark to the office. This
> afternoon, Tuesday 4/1/03, the ISP is suppose come and install the new
> router and bring up routing on a test subnet. Assuming that everything
> checks out okay with the T1, new router, and routing, I will have them
> swing the main Matronics subnet off the SDSL and onto the T1. In theory,
> the swing could be nearly transparent to users, but that's usually not the
> case... ;-)
>
> Please expect a bit of instability in connectivity this afternoon as we
> work though the transition issues. I will post a follow up message when
> everything is up and running on the new T1 line.
>
> Finally, please know that it is solely your Contributions that make these
> kinds of List upgrades happen! There is no advertising budget (aka,
> flashing banner ads and annoying pop up browser windows) to pay these
> bills; operational support is solely from List members like you during the
> yearly List Fund Raiser. If you would like to make your Contribution to
> support the Lists and upgrades like this T1 connectivity enhancement,
> please see the List Contribution Web Site where you can make your
> Contribution with a Credit Card, PayPal, or Personal Check. You can even
> get a free List Archive CDROM with a qualifying List Contribution! The
URL
> is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> Thanks again to EVERYONE that made a generous Contribution last year and
> enabled this awesome upgrade to T1 service!
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Admin.
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe@ford.com>
Since his Majesty Daly's TFR does not currently restrict the airspace over
top of Meigs, it would be cool to see a bunch of planes continually circling
the pattern during daylight hours as a protest. That would really cheese
him off to see a large group of so-called dangerous light aircraft
continually in the air over the area.
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| Subject: | Painting inside of cowl? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
So has anyone painted the inside of the cowl? How does it hold up to the heat?
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Firewall Penetrations |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Listers,
I need some help deciding where to make the firewall penetrations for
throttle, mixture and carb heat on my RV-6. I designed the panel with a
horizontal panel for the engine controls, rather than the vertical
console shown on the plans. This is very similar to the way the RV-7 is
now done. However, the RV-7 firewall drawings (which come with the
firewall forward kit) show the cables penetrating the firewall where the
battery box is on the -6. Is it acceptable to have the cables go
through the fixed portion of the battery box? If not, how have others
with a similar arrangement routed their cables?
Thanks
Jeff Point
RV-6 finish kit FWF
Milwaukee WI
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| Subject: | Re: Painting inside of cowl? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
You don't want oil or exhaust or anything else penetrating the fiberglass,
so sealing it with something is desireable. You can chase down high-heat
paints, but it's probably easier to just finish it like the outside with the
same materials and then put heat shielding in the bottom half as needed. I
didn't put a large enough heat shield in from the outset and paid the price
with some cowl damage.
Van's stocks some adhesive backed aluminum shielding that works very well.
Lister Gary Graham, or more likely Pugsley, found this material at Boeing
Surplus and gave me some. It worked so well that Van's found the source and
now stocks it. You can read my comments and see pics on it at...
www.rv-8.com/Cowl.htm
Randy Lervold
RV-8, 300 hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Bilinski" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Subject: RV-List: Painting inside of cowl?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> So has anyone painted the inside of the cowl? How does it hold up to the
heat?
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Painting inside of cowl? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Miller <rmill2000@yahoo.com>
Scott
I used some white, high heat epoxy enamel purchased at the local hardware
store. It has worked just fine. Also, line the heat sensitive areas of
the cowling with the sticky foil heat barrier that Van's sells. The
combination of these two things has prevented both heat and oil damage to
my cowling.
Rob Miller
-8 N262RM "Bad Cat" 54 hours
--- Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> So has anyone painted the inside of the cowl? How does it hold up to the
> heat?
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
>
>
>
>
http://platinum.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Painting inside of cowl? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
We used white high temp paint on the inside of the cowl (brush on type). We
did it so that any wear points or oil leaks would show up and be easy to
find. Wear points from baffles, spark plug wires, cable movements and the
rubber part of the baffle seals all left tracks. Had to cut and re-weld
alternator adjustment (too long) bracket and trim the cooling blades for
additional clearence. Where the white paint was worn thin the dark gray
would show thru. No problem thus far with heat and the IO-540 does produce
some. 111 hrs N561FS HRII KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Bilinski" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Subject: RV-List: Painting inside of cowl?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> So has anyone painted the inside of the cowl? How does it hold up to the
heat?
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re:battery connection |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Hi Bert...
I saw your message about the battery. I am building a 6a and just built my
own holder for the Odyssey 680 battery. Mine is a quickbuild so I already had
a complete large box but decided not to use it and build my own. If I can
help you with pix, or anything, just let me know.
Jerry Cochran
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| Subject: | Sliding Canopy Sealing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson" <neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
Listers
I have spent the last two weeks bending, trimming, drilling, sweating, cursing
and have now finished the canopy construction. I'm very pleased with the result
and have to say the vans design works extremely well and the fit is almost perfect,
nowhere as difficult as I had expected just time consuming. I'm now ready
to finally rivet and screw the sliding frame together and my question is that
it would appear from reading past correspondence it's common practice to use
a sealer ( pro seal ) between the plexi glass and the frame. This is not mentioned
in the Vans manual. Would welcome your inputs and is there an alternative
to the dreaded black stuff.
Neil Henderson
RV9-A Near Aylesbury UK
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| Subject: | Re:battery connection |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I bolted in a adaptor so I could use either the PC-680 or a standard size
battery this way I am not locked in to either size.
At 04:22 PM 4/1/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
>Hi Bert...
>
>I saw your message about the battery. I am building a 6a and just built my
>own holder for the Odyssey 680 battery. Mine is a quickbuild so I already had
>a complete large box but decided not to use it and build my own. If I can
>help you with pix, or anything, just let me know.
>
>Jerry Cochran
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe@ford.com>
>
>Since his Majesty Daly's TFR does not currently restrict the airspace over
>top of Meigs, it would be cool to see a bunch of planes continually
>circling
>the pattern during daylight hours as a protest. That would really cheese
>him off to see a large group of so-called dangerous light aircraft
>continually in the air over the area.
>
Oh man, what a deliciously wicked ploy. *very evil grin*. It would truly
be a most gratifying exercise. I would consider this to be a call to arms
for local fliers!
Chicago: love the pizza. Loathe the dictat...mayor.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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| Subject: | Re: Chicago Mayor's office phone #-Meigs Field |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Now, if this were Wisconsin, we'd probably organize a recall election
drive to get rid of him. Seemed to have shaken up and gotten rid off
quite a few politicians in milwaukee.
maybe possible in chicago, specially with the alphabet soup support..
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C. Rabaut wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> I just called and spoke with "the lady". She was very pleasant, noted my
> name/phone #/business (P.D.) and seemed to be jotting down notes about my
> concerns & dis-pleasure at the Mayors extremely poor choice/actions. She
> was very non-committal; I'll advise if or when I get a reply. I expect
> some sort of standard format "So sad, too bad, he did the best he could"
> B.S.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vern Darley,II <vern@mindspring.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Chicago Mayor's office phone #-Meigs Field
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Vern Darley,II" <vern@mindspring.com>
>>
>>I called the Mayor's office -- 312-744-3334 --A lady is assigned to note
>>
> our names and phone numbers for callback. Suggest calls,especially from
> those with business contacts in Chicago.
>
>>Express yourself now firmly, but politely, or be content with the
>>
> long-term impact on aviation from unaccountable and often ignorant
> politicians tearing up our airports.
>
>>Contact your senators and representatives,also.
>>
>>Vern
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Painting inside of cowl? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
What the heck for?
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| Subject: | Rudder tip strobe? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ed Holyoke <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
Hi Bill,
Ten four on the rudder tip. But you did originally say horizontal stab.
(See clip below.)
As far as the strobes preventing midairs in daylight in cruise phase,
you are probably correct that it won't make that much difference. Most
midairs do happen near airports, so superior lighting might help. At
night, you'll see strobes a long ways off and I still think the brighter
and flashier the better.
I also like the wig wag landing lights. Believe it or not, even in
daylight, those make a real difference in visibility for head on
traffic.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
6qb
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
I have yet to see an example of an anti-collision strobe mounted
on the
horizontal stabilizer tip on an RV. Why is this?
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Ed Holyoke <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
> >
> >I'm guessing that you meant vertical stab tip.
>
> No, I really meant the rudder tip. The rudder tip is slightly
> above and well behind the stab tip. If I were to mount a compact
strobe on
> the rudder tip, the stab tip in front of it would tend to shade the
> cockpit
> area from direct strobe illumination. The farther back I mount it, the
> greater the cockpit shading will be.
>
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| Subject: | Painting inside of cowl? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Norman" <jgnorman@tampabay.rr.com>
Yep, you DO want to do it. Makes it MUCH easier to clean.
NOTE... it doesn't have to be finished like the OUTSIDE of the cowl... so
don't worry about filing holes, bondo, etc, etc. BUT, prime it and then give
it a quick shot of your basic fuselage color (or basic white).... Then get
on with painting the rest of the plane.
As others have mentioned... this little bit of work now will pay of in
spades later on.
jim
tampa
(Sun n Fun is great already... WOW are there some NICE RV's here!!!!)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Elsa & Henry
Subject: Re: RV-List: Painting inside of cowl?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
What the heck for?
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| Subject: | Re:battery connection |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
Jerry:
Thanks If I need it I would let you know. As I said
I am really in a jam., as I have all my holes and
connections, as per plans. It would be a tremendous
task, to change things...
I think Van's should try to help the customers, but
all they told me was, Sorry, (The tell me they are going
to use Motor cycle, batteries in the future.. or something
like that..
I have to try to buy a different battery.,,,
Thanks again,
Bert
rv6a
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| Subject: | backing strip around tip-up rear window |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Got a question for those who have completed tip-up canopies on 6s and 7s.
The RV-7 plans call for an aluminum backing strip that goes along the inside
of the rear window's aft edge. I'm trying to figure out if there's any
structural or functional advantage to using a full-length strip as opposed
to just washers.
The way I see it, if I go ahead and trace the top skin contour to some
aluminum to create the strip, when the strip goes on the inside of the
window it will have to be ever so slightly smaller in length (inside of the
curve), otherwise it will probably "bow" in between fasteners. I think
simply using washers would look cleaner.
Any points of view out there on this?
Thanks in advance,
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (canopy)
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Nav antenna-cable |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
Hi:
Thanks to all of you, that responded to my e-=mail
saved my day, you know, the amount of work If I have
had to disconnect all that cable, and put a new one??
Now I am curious, about my second question, who
no one responded to...
Since many of you swear by Bob nichols, from
Aero Electric, as the master of all electrical matters,if
you read his book, it says that for Antenna cable one
should use, RG-400, or is 4000?
I do not remember reason right now...
Also, he does not like the Wing tip, antenna installa-
tion...
I would like to hear your comments on these items...your
experience and reasons...
See you at Sun and Fun
Bert
rv6a
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| Subject: | Nav antenna-cable |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
> Since many of you swear by Bob nichols, from
> Aero Electric, as the master of all electrical matters,if
> you read his book, it says that for Antenna cable one
> should use, RG-400, or is 4000?
> I do not remember reason right now...
Low loss... RG400
> Also, he does not like the Wing tip, antenna installa- tion...
>
> I would like to hear your comments on these items...your
> experience and reasons...
I believe he refers to wingtip COM antenna, these generally don't work
as well as belly mounted ones. Bob Archer says the best com antenna
around is his design, which mounts under the vertical stabilizer
fiberglass tip. The tip has to be a modified version, taller than Van's
normal one. I stuck with the good ol' Comant bent whip types under the
belly. My nav/loc/gs antenna works fine, and it is a Bob Archer design
in the wingtip.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 292 hours
www.rvforum.org
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | Re: backing strip around tip-up rear window |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
I elected to forgo the strip and use washers. I did use plastic washers
though, against the plexi. It appears that the strip would not serve
much purpose in spreading the force out I also did away with the
plastic "nut strip" along the canopy sides, in favor of lock nuts, for
the same reason. However I'm not flying yet, so we will see.
Jeff Point
RV-6 finish kit FWF
Milwaukee WI
Dan Checkoway wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>Got a question for those who have completed tip-up canopies on 6s and 7s.
>The RV-7 plans call for an aluminum backing strip that goes along the inside
>of the rear window's aft edge. I'm trying to figure out if there's any
>structural or functional advantage to using a full-length strip as opposed
>to just washers.
>
>The way I see it, if I go ahead and trace the top skin contour to some
>aluminum to create the strip, when the strip goes on the inside of the
>window it will have to be ever so slightly smaller in length (inside of the
>curve), otherwise it will probably "bow" in between fasteners. I think
>simply using washers would look cleaner.
>
>Any points of view out there on this?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D (canopy)
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Brown" <nightmare@adelphia.net>
Thanks for all the inquiries for the VAL comm. and GPS. The VAL has been sold,
but I still have the Northstar GPS-60. I have lowered the GPS to 600.00 if anyone
is interested.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder tip strobe? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Finn Lassen <finnlassen@netzero.net>
Just looked at an RV-6 and an RV-6A at Sun-n-Fun.
Both builders had stobe mounted as far back on the vert stab tip as
possible and the strobe submerged into it so only the tip sticks out.
Both said that there's no refection at night. I can see how that is: the
forard part of the tip is nicely shadowing the strobe so it never hits
the canopy. Yet it will be visible from above and forward of the plane.
Finn
Gunter Malich wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Gunter Malich" <gmalich@telus.net>
>
>Regarding strobe locations, I'm wondering about distraction from wing tip strobes.
Most people seem to put their wing strobes external to their tips, and that
should result in maximum light shielding to the pilot. But how about strobes
mounted within wingtip lenses such as the Airtech or the RMD systems? Do
these embedded configurations add any undesireable distraction?
>
>I'm about to place my order with Vans for the Airtech tips, so would be very interested
in advice from those who've "been there". (Really like the look of
embedded tips, but more concerned with functionality.)
>
>Gunter Malich
>RV-8 Wings
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
>
>
>>>I even get a little reflection on my (black) prop from the wing strobes. That's
annoying >>enough.
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Panel Planner DXF File Problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jordan Grant" <jgrant@sw.rr.com>
All:
I recently purchased TurboCad v7 in order to view/modify Panel
Planner DXF files. Unfortunately, TurboCad gives a 'Duplicate Handle'
error each time I try to read the DXF files that are generated by Panel
Planner. The files can be read just fine by a different DXF viewer
program that I downloaded today. Has anyone else had this problem?
Would anyone be willing to read my DXF file into AutoCAD and save it
as a DWG file?
Thanks,
Jordan Grant
RV-6 Finishing
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| Subject: | Rudder tip strobe? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Reese" <waynereese@qwest.net>
We use wig wag lights in our CAP planes here in Utah, and because of
what I have seen with them I'm installing two landing lights (one in
each wing)in my RV-7a
Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Holyoke
Subject: RE: RV-List: Rudder tip strobe?
--> RV-List message posted by: Ed Holyoke <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
Hi Bill,
Ten four on the rudder tip. But you did originally say horizontal stab.
(See clip below.)
As far as the strobes preventing midairs in daylight in cruise phase,
you are probably correct that it won't make that much difference. Most
midairs do happen near airports, so superior lighting might help. At
night, you'll see strobes a long ways off and I still think the brighter
and flashier the better.
I also like the wig wag landing lights. Believe it or not, even in
daylight, those make a real difference in visibility for head on
traffic.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
6qb
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
I have yet to see an example of an anti-collision strobe mounted
on the
horizontal stabilizer tip on an RV. Why is this?
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Ed Holyoke <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
> >
> >I'm guessing that you meant vertical stab tip.
>
> No, I really meant the rudder tip. The rudder tip is slightly
> above and well behind the stab tip. If I were to mount a compact
strobe on
> the rudder tip, the stab tip in front of it would tend to shade the
> cockpit
> area from direct strobe illumination. The farther back I mount it, the
> greater the cockpit shading will be.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder tip strobe? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Compton" <rdcompton@earthlink.net>
> No, I really meant the rudder tip. The rudder tip is slightly
> above and well behind the stab tip. If I were to mount a compact strobe on
> the rudder tip, the stab tip in front of it would tend to shade the
cockpit
> area from direct strobe illumination. The farther back I mount it, the
> greater the cockpit shading will be.
>
> >Most of the spam you see with single tail strobe are going to have a
> >roof over the cockpit blocking the strobe flash from the panel. In fact,
> >Cessna's with tail strobes have a piece of metal in front of the tail
> >strobe to help keep the light from coming through that wrap around rear
> >glass. That's more drag on top of the more drag of an exposed beacon and
> >it blocks light to the front for anti-collision purposes. With a clear
> >canopy, it seems like the potential for annoying and distracting light
> >in the cockpit is high.
My RV-3 has a white strobe mounted on top of the vertical stab, not rudder,
about in the middle. I have noticed no distracting flashing whatsoever in
the cockpit during night ops. If I crank around hard in the cockpit so as
to look at the vertical stab, I cannot see the strobe itself. I usually
need to look at the refection off of the adjacent hangars to verify that it
is indeed flashing.
I can't speak for the geometry of other RV's, but in the -3 the strobe can
be located such that the amount of vertical stab forward of the strobe
provides an adequate amount of strobe light blockage for the pilot's
location in the cockpit. In flight at night about all I notice is some
white light reflecting off of the wings as the strobe flashes. It is barely
noticeable and certainly not a distraction.
I have not flown my -3 in night IMC, so I can't comment on any distractions
here. But I can't imagine it would be any worse than the MD-88 I fly at
work that has wing-tip strobes. We usually turn 'em off if the goo is
particularly thick. I wouldn't think that RV's with wing-tip strobes would
offer any less of a distraction here than a vertical stab strobe.
Since my -3 has had the vertical stab protruding strobe in place from the
get-go, I can't comment on any speed loss from such an arrangement.
However, unless the wing-tip strobes are part of an integral wing tip light
unit, I would think that one protruding strobe light would contribute less
drag than two.
Randy Compton
RV-3 N84VF
Gulf Breeze, FL
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| Subject: | Re: backing strip around tip-up rear window |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> Got a question for those who have completed tip-up canopies on 6s and 7s.
> The RV-7 plans call for an aluminum backing strip that goes along the
inside
> of the rear window's aft edge. I'm trying to figure out if there's any
> structural or functional advantage to using a full-length strip as opposed
> to just washers.
>
I thought just like you and did use washers painted to match the interior.
I think they look better than the strip I would have built. Can't imagine
there would be structural repurcusions.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Panel Planner DXF File Problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "sdavis12" <sdavis12@midsouth.rr.com>
Jordan, send me the file I will convert to a AutoCAD file and send it back
to you!!!!
Steve Davis, The Panel Pilot sdavis12@midsouth.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jordan Grant" <jgrant@sw.rr.com>
Subject: RV-List: Panel Planner DXF File Problem
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jordan Grant" <jgrant@sw.rr.com>
>
> All:
> I recently purchased TurboCad v7 in order to view/modify Panel
> Planner DXF files. Unfortunately, TurboCad gives a 'Duplicate Handle'
> error each time I try to read the DXF files that are generated by Panel
> Planner. The files can be read just fine by a different DXF viewer
> program that I downloaded today. Has anyone else had this problem?
> Would anyone be willing to read my DXF file into AutoCAD and save it
> as a DWG file?
>
> Thanks,
> Jordan Grant
> RV-6 Finishing
>
>
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| Subject: | Nav antenna-cable |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dick DeCramer" <diesel@rconnect.com>
>
> Since many of you swear by Bob nichols, from
> Aero Electric, as the master of all electrical matters,if
> you read his book, it says that for Antenna cable one
> should use, RG-400, or is 4000?
> I do not remember reason right now...
>
> Bert
> rv6a
I believe RG-400 has less resistance but I know it does not deteriorate
over time like other coax cables do. King and Garmin recommends it over
the RG-58 and I am using it but I am not operational yet so I cannot report
on actual performance.
Dick DeCramer
RV6 N500DD
Almost done!!
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| Subject: | Firewall Penetrations |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dick DeCramer" <diesel@rconnect.com>
> I need some help deciding where to make the firewall penetrations for
> throttle, mixture and carb heat on my RV-6. I designed the panel with a
> horizontal panel for the engine controls, rather than the vertical
> console shown on the plans. This is very similar to the way the RV-7 is
> now done. However, the RV-7 firewall drawings (which come with the
> firewall forward kit) show the cables penetrating the firewall where the
> battery box is on the -6. Is it acceptable to have the cables go
> through the fixed portion of the battery box? If not, how have others
> with a similar arrangement routed their cables?
>
I have my control cable penetrations above the fixed portion of the battery
box but below the oil filter box in the firewall. The cables are throttle,
carb heat, & mixture and are horizontal, evenly spaced, between the two
vertical angles. The fixed portion of the battery box can be unbolted and
removed without disturbing the cables which are "S turned" between the
panel and the firewall to use up surplus cable length.
Dick DeCramer
RV6 N500DD
Northfield, MN
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--> RV-List message posted by: ranchspinner@webtv.net (Mary L Bradley)
IF DAILEY COULD NOT STEP OUT HIS OWN FRONT DOOR. THAT WOULD BE HOMELAND
SECURITY!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Wing tip strobes |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 4/1/2003 7:42:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,
gmalich@telus.net writes:
> But how about strobes mounted within wingtip lenses such as the Airtech or
> the RMD systems? Do these embedded configurations add any undesirable
> distraction?
Yes, in the RMD's they do. But, I built small fiberglass vertical tip fins
that help shield this from the pilot's view. Aluminum versions of these are
common on low wing Grummans I've seen.
-GV (RV-6A N1GV 593hrs)
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