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1. 04:02 AM - Re: Navaid & Garmin 196 (eregensburg@triad.rr.com)
2. 05:03 AM - Re: New UPS GPS Navigator (N13eer@aol.com)
3. 08:12 AM - Re: Fw: Wear Red on friday(s) (rv6tc)
4. 08:23 AM - Re: Fw: Wear Red on friday(s) (rv6tc)
5. 09:53 AM - Re: SF Bay Area Airports (Terry Williams)
6. 10:09 AM - Re: SF Bay Area Airports (Jerry Springer)
7. 10:16 AM - Re: New UPS GPS Navigator (kempthornes)
8. 03:12 PM - Re: Wear Red on friday(s) (James Morison)
9. 04:02 PM - web site links (Chris W)
10. 06:07 PM - No nylocks on anything subject to rotation (Wheeler North)
11. 06:07 PM - R-904 Bottom Rib (Rudder) (Karie Daniel)
12. 06:25 PM - Re: R-904 Bottom Rib (Rudder) (Dan Checkoway)
13. 08:18 PM - Re: R-904 Bottom Rib (Rudder) (Patrick Kelley)
14. 08:47 PM - Re: R-904 Bottom Rib (Rudder) (Karie Daniel)
15. 10:19 PM - RV6 Parts Needed (Stein Bruch)
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| Subject: | Navaid & Garmin 196 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "eregensburg@triad.rr.com" <eregensburg@triad.rr.com>
Bill-
I am here at Sun & Fun and there is a company here with a booth selling an
auto pilot that can be hooked up to a handheld GPS. If I get a chance today
I will try to go back (if I can re-find where I saw them) and get more info.
Ed at Sun & Fun
N925RV-2000+ hours
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From: Bill VonDane bill@vondane.com
Subject: RV-List: Navaid & Garmin 196
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Has anyone hooked a Garmin 196 and Navaid together? If so, can you contact
me off line with more details!?
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A - www.vondane.com
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| Subject: | New UPS GPS Navigator |
--> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
Carl,
It's call TSO. Certified GPS has a few things (RAIM) that that a hand held does
not have but the big cost driver is the number of engineering hours that goes
into getting the FAA to sign off. This is not a bad thing, it keeps engineers
employed so we can afford to build RVs.
Alan Kritzman
RV-8
Stupid, isn't it? For $99 you can get a GPS receiver with enough accuracy
to do anything you want. What does the other $11, 901 buy - software, a
processor, a display and a low power radio? When will we get someone to
market to the masses?
Carl Froehlich
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Wear Red on friday(s) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" <rv6tc@earthlink.net>
Good on you, Scott..... I'll be right there in the fray with you.
Keith Hughes
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts@unionsafe.com>
> If I ever see someone
> spit on a soldier, marine, airman, or sailor, I'll deck the spitter myself
> because the soldier, marine, airman, or sailor won't.
>
> --
> Scott VanArtsdalen
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Wear Red on friday(s) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" <rv6tc@earthlink.net>
Kysh,
Absolutely no slam against you...
I was in the Air Force. I started under Reagan. I ended under Clinton. It
was really, truly amazing. There was no money for training flights. There
were planes that were "hangar queens" because we didn't have parts. Yet, we
were hustling all over the world doing "humanitarian missions". The morale
is something you would have had to see to really understand.
A short anecdote. I worked in a Squadron at McChord AFB in Tacoma,
Washington. I had a great Squadron Commander, a man of principle and
integrity. He was also an "up and comer". A guy that was progressing up
the ranks rapidly. After less than a year of the Clinton Administration, he
resigned his commission and left the Air Force, saying he could not in good
conscience work under that man. So the Air Force lost one of it's best
officers and leaders (and later many more). He now works for Alaska
Airlines and is considerably happier, so there was a silver lining. So who
won? The Country, or my old Commander? A shame they couldn't have both
won.
You really would have had to see the decimation of the Air Force to
understand the sentiment.
"We support the troops". It's in vogue to say that. But look at actions,
rather than words. The real picture is in stark contrast.
Keith Hughes
Denver
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From: "Kysh"
> .
>
> I'll reiterate- He wrote this in 1969, when a majority of America felt
that way,
> purportedly.
>
> "... We come to bury Caesar, not to praise him."
>
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> -Kysh
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| Subject: | Re: SF Bay Area Airports |
--> RV-List message posted by: Terry Williams <7ecapilot@attbi.com>
O.K. I have to weigh in on this a bit.
I used to live in Fremont and flew out of Reid-Hillview. I seem to
recall that takes just about as long to drive from Fremont to Hayward
as it did to get to RHV. So, I don't necessarily buy that Hayward is
easier or faster to get to. RHV is well outside of the SF Class B and
just outside of the SJC Class C. HWD is under both the SF Class B and
the OAK Class C. If your xpndr is wacked you can't get in to HWD. LVK
is east of Fremont about a 20 mins by car. It has quite a bit of
transient space and is very close to the freeway (I-580). It has an ILS
and all amenities, including rental cars. LVK is well outside of SF
Class C airspace. There is a BART station in Dublin, which is about 3
miles west on the freeway.
All in all, using Bay Approach is no problem for any of the SFBA
airports (OAK Center for LVK flight following), but why bother if you
just need a convenient airport. Livermore isn't really any further away
and I think it costs a little less (don't know what fees there might
be). I think that LVK is just as convenient and any others in the SFBA.
Maybe even a little more friendly. ;) Besides, everything in the SFBA
is 45 minutes away by car. :
o
BTW... I live in Livermore now and my house is about 3/4 of mile from
the approach end of 25R. Rock your wings on final and I'll wave back.
Please, just keep your RPMs low for the sensitive ears of those who
don't appreciate our passion.
tw
On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 01:12 PM, JusCash@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
>
> Hayward would be a better choice for Fremont. Second choice is Reid
> Hillview
> in San Jose. Hayward has several procedures for IFR arrivals and
> departures.
> I am located in Hanger J1 in the West Tee's. Drop by and say hello.
>
> Cash Copeland
> RV6 N46FC
> Hayward, Ca
>
>> Time: 08:36:40 PM PST US
>> From: "Michael J. Robbins" <michael.j.robbins@verizon.net>
>> Subject: RV-List: SF Bay Area Airports
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Michael J. Robbins" <
>> michael.j.robbins@verizon.net>
>>
>> To those of you in the bay area, I'm planning on visiting a friend in
>> Fremont and it looks like San Jose Muni is the closest airport. Is it
>> friendly to us little guys? Last time I flew out of SJC was in 1969.
>> I
>> know things have changed a lot. I have the option of filing IFR if
>> necessary. I'm planning on arriving next Saturday or Sunday.
>>
>> Mike Robbins
>> RV-8 N88MJ 185 hours
>> Seattle area
>>
>> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: SF Bay Area Airports |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
I know that when I was helping Matt our RV-list host test his
FuelScan(Check)computer fuel system I landed at Livermore. As I remember
it was a friendly place and good food at the restaurant over looking
the golf course. Matt just live a few minutes from the airport.
Jerry
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Terry Williams wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Terry Williams <7ecapilot@attbi.com>
>
> O.K. I have to weigh in on this a bit.
>
> I used to live in Fremont and flew out of Reid-Hillview. I seem to
> recall that takes just about as long to drive from Fremont to Hayward
> as it did to get to RHV. So, I don't necessarily buy that Hayward is
> easier or faster to get to. RHV is well outside of the SF Class B and
> just outside of the SJC Class C. HWD is under both the SF Class B and
> the OAK Class C. If your xpndr is wacked you can't get in to HWD. LVK
> is east of Fremont about a 20 mins by car. It has quite a bit of
> transient space and is very close to the freeway (I-580). It has an ILS
> and all amenities, including rental cars. LVK is well outside of SF
> Class C airspace. There is a BART station in Dublin, which is about 3
> miles west on the freeway.
>
> All in all, using Bay Approach is no problem for any of the SFBA
> airports (OAK Center for LVK flight following), but why bother if you
> just need a convenient airport. Livermore isn't really any further away
> and I think it costs a little less (don't know what fees there might
> be). I think that LVK is just as convenient and any others in the SFBA.
> Maybe even a little more friendly. ;) Besides, everything in the SFBA
> is 45 minutes away by car. :
> o
>
> BTW... I live in Livermore now and my house is about 3/4 of mile from
> the approach end of 25R. Rock your wings on final and I'll wave back.
> Please, just keep your RPMs low for the sensitive ears of those who
> don't appreciate our passion.
>
> tw
>
>
> On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 01:12 PM, JusCash@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
>>
>>Hayward would be a better choice for Fremont. Second choice is Reid
>>Hillview
>>in San Jose. Hayward has several procedures for IFR arrivals and
>>departures.
>> I am located in Hanger J1 in the West Tee's. Drop by and say hello.
>>
>>Cash Copeland
>>RV6 N46FC
>>Hayward, Ca
>>
>>
>>>Time: 08:36:40 PM PST US
>>>From: "Michael J. Robbins" <michael.j.robbins@verizon.net>
>>>Subject: RV-List: SF Bay Area Airports
>>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Michael J. Robbins" <
>>>michael.j.robbins@verizon.net>
>>>
>>>To those of you in the bay area, I'm planning on visiting a friend in
>>>Fremont and it looks like San Jose Muni is the closest airport. Is it
>>>friendly to us little guys? Last time I flew out of SJC was in 1969.
>>> I
>>>know things have changed a lot. I have the option of filing IFR if
>>>necessary. I'm planning on arriving next Saturday or Sunday.
>>>
>>>Mike Robbins
>>>RV-8 N88MJ 185 hours
>>>Seattle area
>>>
>>>do not archive
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| Subject: | New UPS GPS Navigator |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
You are right, Terry and you too, Kysh -- IMHO
I've watched the avionics dealers ads in TAP for several years and I see
the same old stuff listed for the same old price. It may be possible that
inflation is exactly the same as obsolecense but I doubt it. You'd think
with the current recession there would be a few sales! They might save ad
money by saying "See last issues ads". I suppose most aviators just keep
on paying.
VFR flyers can get by pretty cheap tho. The ICOM panel mount is less than
$900 and a used Northstar M1 loran unit is half of that. Both, in my own
experience, are excellent devices. I guess GPS handhelds are real cheap
too. I have a non-color Skyforce GPS (now King) which is still over $1000
but is fine. For IFR pilots, shouldn't they be using VOR system primarily
and just one of these VFR solutions for backup?
My IFR solution will be:
1 - ICOM panel mount com radio - new $800 (at OSH)
1 - NARCO nav 824 vor unit with ID824 indicator - used - $1000
1 - Garmin 327 transponder $1200
1- Skyforce GPS new $1200
The only real IFR requirement meeting device is the NARCO at $1000. Yes,
that was a good deal.
Hal Kempthorne
At 04:33 PM 4/4/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kysh
>
>Haven't you noticed the trend that prices in avionics don't really go down?
>New products are just more expensive!
>
>-Kysh
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>
>
>No, that's not what I see at all. What I see is two things happening:
>first, we are getting many more choices in types of avionics, from moving
>maps to electronic flight information systems to heads up displays, which
>are of course more expensive at least to begin with than what they improve
>on or replace, such as a basic nav/com with a CDI. Then there is the
>innovation and competition that tries to find a market. Sierra Flight
>Systems, now Chelton comes along with a $40,000 electronic flight
>information system, drastically cheaper than the equivalent previously
>available only for much more than the price of our airplanes. Blue Mountain
>tries to do about the same thing for $12,000. Dynon does a good part of
>that for $2,000. Look around and you will see many new products on or just
>coming to the market and they know their only hope of surviving is doing
>what we want done better or cheaper or both. If all you need or want is a
>good com and a hand-held GPS with a moving map and data base of all the
>airports on the continent, buy a Microair and a Garmin 196 for about $1700
>for both. If you don't need the moving map, you can get a good GPS for
>$100, or the Com and the GPS, all new and nearly state of the art for
>$800.00. We don't have to buy the expensive new stuff like the Garmin 430 or
>the new UPS unit, but we now have that choice. The real innovation and price
>reductions are only available to experimentals. Watch how companies like
>Vans or Blue Mountain or Dynon or Tru-Trak innovate, compared to Lycoming or
>Cessna or even Garmin and UPS. Free minds and free markets. What a
>concept!
>
>Terry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wear Red on friday(s) |
--> RV-List message posted by: James Morison <morison@apl.washington.edu>
Missed the start of the wear red thread but thought most of us could get
behind the following:
Next month is National Military Appreciation Month. The Department of
Defense is providing an opportunity for
Americans to thank the men and women of the U. S. military services for
defending our freedom by sending them at the end
of the month a compiled list of names together with an expression of
appreciation.
You can sign in and add your name at
http://www.defendamerica.mil/nmam.html
So far almost 13 million people have signed the thank you note.
--
James Morison
RV 4 tail
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--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
Well I have just finished a little organizing of my bookmarks, updated
them on my webserver and thought I would send everyone a link to the
Aviation section. I am sure many of you have seen most of these sites
but I thought for those who are new it might be handy and quicker than
searching google for hours on end. Please feel free to comment on any
changes that might need to be made in organization or any dead links.
http://68.12.125.52:8088/links/Aviation.htm
Keep in mind that this server is run on a machine that has a DHCP IP
address, so the address can change at any time, if there are links you
like, I suggest you save them on your own machine. But if it does
change and you want to get at it again just email me and I can tell you
the new IP address.
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Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
chrisw@programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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| Subject: | No nylocks on anything subject to rotation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Just because 500 people did it wrong doesn't make it right!
Wasn't there a case a few years back of a Lear electrical power upgrade, and
the first guy routed the wires wrong, so 19 other installations were done
the same way because the other installers were copying the first guy's
mistakes. I think two aircraft were lost due to this. I believe it was
something like the fried wire toasted the engine mount.
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Time: 06:28:40 AM PST US
From: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: main gear nuts
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Dan,
I encountered the same thing when I went to install the nose gear in my -6A.
The AN 514 Nut that is provided was a Nylock. And you are right, NO NYLOCKS
FIREWALL FORWARD! I did speak to Van's about it, but their reply was not
satisfactory to me ("500 other builders didn't have a problem---" [Bill
Benedict])-- Anyway, I had bought extra screws and nuts to have on hand and
I had a metal spare one that was installed.
The interesting thing is when I had my final inspection, the MDRA (Canadian)
inspector looked at every nut and bolt F/F and commented "--Good work no
nylocks--" I think he was disappointed not to write-up a snag on that!
Cheers!!-----Henry Hore
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| Subject: | R-904 Bottom Rib (Rudder) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@attbi.com>
I'm working on my RV-7 rudder (same as the 9) and the R-904 bottom rib seems impossible
to dimple the last aft 3 holes. It's so tight I can't even get a nail
in there to use a pop rivet dimpler. How do I dimple these darn holes?
Thanks,
Karie Daniel
RV-7A
Sammamish, WA.
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| Subject: | Re: R-904 Bottom Rib (Rudder) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
I used a Vise-grip dimpler in several tight spots like this. Often you have
to bend the flange out a bit...don't worry, you can bend it back. 8-)
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (canopy)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@attbi.com>
Subject: RV-List: R-904 Bottom Rib (Rudder)
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@attbi.com>
>
> I'm working on my RV-7 rudder (same as the 9) and the R-904 bottom rib
seems impossible to dimple the last aft 3 holes. It's so tight I can't even
get a nail in there to use a pop rivet dimpler. How do I dimple these darn
holes?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Karie Daniel
> RV-7A
> Sammamish, WA.
>
>
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| Subject: | R-904 Bottom Rib (Rudder) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
On the RV-6, I used a scrap of wood (in this case, the cut-out from the
rudder jig pieces) that was wedged in there and then drilled to match.
Next I took it out and countersunk the holes, forming a custom female
die. A couple of light whacks with a male die and hammer made
acceptable dimples. Wait until you have to modify a bucking bar to fit
in a tight place like that...
Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - Fuselage parts being variously prepped or
painted
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karie Daniel
Subject: RV-List: R-904 Bottom Rib (Rudder)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@attbi.com>
I'm working on my RV-7 rudder (same as the 9) and the R-904 bottom rib
seems impossible to dimple the last aft 3 holes. It's so tight I can't
even get a nail in there to use a pop rivet dimpler. How do I dimple
these darn holes?
Thanks,
Karie Daniel
RV-7A
Sammamish, WA.
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| Subject: | Re: R-904 Bottom Rib (Rudder) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@attbi.com>
Ahhh!!!! The one tool in my arsenal of tools I completely had forgot about.
It worked great and well worth the price I paid for it now.
I can't wait to rivet those holes now!
Thanks again Dan.
Karie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: R-904 Bottom Rib (Rudder)
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> I used a Vise-grip dimpler in several tight spots like this. Often you
have
> to bend the flange out a bit...don't worry, you can bend it back. 8-)
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (canopy)
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@attbi.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: R-904 Bottom Rib (Rudder)
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Karie Daniel" <karie4@attbi.com>
> >
> > I'm working on my RV-7 rudder (same as the 9) and the R-904 bottom rib
> seems impossible to dimple the last aft 3 holes. It's so tight I can't
even
> get a nail in there to use a pop rivet dimpler. How do I dimple these darn
> holes?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Karie Daniel
> > RV-7A
> > Sammamish, WA.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | RV6 Parts Needed |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Hi All,
Looking to buy the following for an RV6 project:
Cowling (New or old style).
Engine Mount (0-320 Dyn/Con).
Gear Legs, et.al (Wheels, etc..).
CHEAP Mid/High Time 0-320 (160hp).
CHEAP Prop for said engine.
Wheel Pants.
Gear Leg Fairings.
Empennage Fairing (New or Old style).
Any Other Misc. FwF or finish kit "stuff" for sale.
or a complete/partial finish kit would do!
Let me know what you've got! Doesn't need to be fancy, just serviceable.
Have CASH will deal. Please reply off list.
Thanks,
Stein Bruch.
RV6-N664SB
Minneapolis, MN
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