---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/08/03: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:07 AM - AN363 Self Lock nut on 6-a main gear (Jim Jewell) 2. 01:29 AM - Re: Prop test results posted (Cy Galley) 3. 05:16 AM - gascolator extension parts (Mark Nielsen) 4. 05:48 AM - Re: SNF report (Dana Overall) 5. 06:16 AM - Re: (Ollie Washburn) 6. 06:39 AM - T & W Propeller notice (Ed Zercher) 7. 10:08 AM - Re: SNF report (5 rotary powered RV's), very long (WALTER KERR) 8. 10:34 AM - Re: SNF report (5 rotary powered RV's), very long (Larry Bowen) 9. 11:02 AM - wig wag flasher (Bert Forero) 10. 11:13 AM - Re: SNF report (5 rotary powered RV's), very long (Patty Gillies) 11. 11:35 AM - Re: SNF report (5 rotary powered RV's), very long (Tracy Crook) 12. 11:44 AM - 2000-2300 RPM (Wheeler North) 13. 11:50 AM - Nyloks (Wheeler North) 14. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: taildragger dragger (Tracy Crook) 15. 01:11 PM - RV Grin (Rick Galati) 16. 01:57 PM - Re: 2000-2300 RPM (Albert Gardner) 17. 02:18 PM - Re: T & W Propeller notice (RV6 Flyer) 18. 03:49 PM - Van's Windscreen VHF Comm Antenna (John Allen) 19. 04:23 PM - Sealing fuel tanks (Ken Simmons) 20. 05:41 PM - Re: SNF report (5 rotary powered RV's), very long (WALTER KERR) 21. 06:13 PM - Re: Sealing fuel tanks (Curt Hoffman) 22. 06:15 PM - Turn and Bamk for sale (Larygagnon@aol.com) 23. 06:24 PM - Mag gear wanted (DEREK REED) 24. 06:29 PM - Re: SNF report (5 rotary powered RV's), very long (Vanremog@aol.com) 25. 06:29 PM - Re: Prop test results posted (Vanremog@aol.com) 26. 06:35 PM - Re: Turn and Bamk for sale (Don Mack) 27. 06:37 PM - McCauley prop for sale (DEREK REED) 28. 07:13 PM - Re: main gear nuts (LarryRobertHelming) 29. 07:29 PM - Re:Sealin Fuel Tanks (Oldsfolks@aol.com) 30. 08:23 PM - Re: Prop test results posted (Joe Hine) 31. 08:25 PM - RV-6 for sale (Doug Weiler) 32. 09:39 PM - Re: T & W Propeller notice (Fred Kunkel) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:07:44 AM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: RV-List: AN363 Self Lock nut on 6-a main gear --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" I just looked into the archives Re-AN-363 The self locking nuts that were supplied with the Allen head bolt for the main gear brake mounting flange. I found that I am not alone in having the supplied self locking nut crack during installation. For any builders out there that took delivery of their kits around 1997 be aware that the an 363 course thread non fiber lock nut might be a faulty part. As described by others in the archives the nut cracked in half during installation at the point where the threads began to run into the locking section of the nut. I am glad it broke when and as it did so that now I won't be riding with a potential weakness waiting to get me. I would think that should this part fail after installation some dangerous and expensive damage could be inflicted. The way this nut fell apart I doubt that a failure after installation is likely, but just in case I am offering this heads up. I will be checking with Van's in the AM. I expect that they will refer me to the aircraft section of the local HW where there are many 'shiny nickel plated' self course thread fiber self locking nuts in stock. Jim in Kelowna ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:29:25 AM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop test results posted --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" Since the MT prop has a wooden core and is self-dampening there shouldn't be any more problem than with any other wood prop. But I'll bet dollars to donuts that a vibration frequency analysis had to be done as part of the FAA certification. A metal prop on the other hand I have heard described as a tuning fork. It has a natural resonance. If it is excited by the engine pulses is will go into a destructive mode at certain frequencies. The frequency generally is designed so that these destructive frequencies are not in the normal operating range. Ideally they are above the red line but some old engine-prop combos have an avoidance range just above 2000 rpm and are so placarded. There will be nodes along the blade. If it is notched or nicked at these critical points, the prop will break at that point. These nodes will move into a critical point when a prop is shortened, also causing failure that is so violent that it will rip the engine out of the airplane. We had several failures of this type years ago with the Thorp. Cy Galley Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Prop test results posted > --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > > I searched the archives and found several links, but they don't seem to > work any more. Perhaps the FAA has moved them; I'm sure someone will > dig them up. The lack of a published restriction with an MT prop likely > means that the FAA hasn't required the combo be tested (or more > appropriately, no one has submitted test data for certification). > Vibration is a complicated thing, and unless MT (or any other exp. prop > manufacturer) has actually done the tests for certification on some > engine/airframe, nothing really is known about rpm areas to avoid. > > Those wiser need to chime in... > > Alex Peterson > Maple Grove, MN > RV6-A N66AP 291 hours > www.rvforum.org > www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson > > > > > > Where does the info that all Lycoming undamped engines have > > this "minimun time" between 2200 and 2300 RPM come from? Is > > this written someplace? > > > > I have an 0-360 A1A with an MT Prop and there are no > > restrictions with the combination. > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:41 AM PST US From: "Mark Nielsen" Subject: RV-List: gascolator extension parts --> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Nielsen" > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve J Hurlbut" > I want to extend my gascolator about 2" to clear the bottom cowl for pre-flight checks. > Do most do this with brass piping? Any source for and external threaded brass pipe > on one end and internal threads on the other? Anybody have a combination of > fuel fitting that worked for this? > Steve Steve, I used standard NPT fittings that I got at a local hardware store. Mark Nielsen Green Bay, WI RV-6, 798 hrs. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:05 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: RV-List: SNF report --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Just got back in from the annual trip to holy land. There were impacts from the change in starting dates but 2.5 rows of RVs were present with plenty for anyone to see. The biggest change I saw were three large "Margaritaville" tents over at the corner of the museum. This turned out to be a hopping spot with food and beverage (yes, they started serving adult beverages on site this year), live Buffett music and just a nice place to meet up with people. http://rvflying.tripod.com/marga.jpg On Saturday we ended up having 45+ RV'ers show up at my campsite for brats and beverage. We went through 100 brats and three cases of adult beverage in no time. It was great to put some faces to names, Rick Gray, Kyle Boatright, Mike Stewart and the Team RV crew along with many others, too many to mention. We had a great time. Afterward, I hooked up with Kyle and Wayne and watched the night airshow. As it turned out, 4 RV'ers were camping within a stones throw of my tent and we would have never known it had we not had out little get together Sat afternoon. Here's a picture of Rick Gray getting the news he had won "something" with his beautiful 6 but would be unable to attend the banquet. As of this email, it is still a mystery award to me. Anyway, here's the proud papa. http://rvflying.tripod.com/rickgray.jpg And for us 7 guys, here you go.....three 7s were at SNF http://rvflying.tripod.com/rv7snf.jpg Once again, it was great putting faces to names. The ol beer and brats may just have to be an annual thing!! Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:53 AM PST US From: "Ollie Washburn" Subject: RV-List: Re: --> RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn" Dean----There are ads in Trade-A-Plane for tail dragger tow bars. Ollie--6a--Central Fl. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dean Pichon Subject: --> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" Hi All, > > I'm trying to locate a source to buy a tow bar that I can use to make it > easier for me to push/pull my -4 in/out of the hanger. I've seen units > advertised to work with RV's, but have not been able to find anything on the > internet. Any leads would be most appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Dean Pichon ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:21 AM PST US From: "Ed Zercher" Subject: RV-List: T & W Propeller notice --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Zercher" I just came across this notice and wanted to let everyone know in case they have a propeller serviced or purchased from them. I copied and pasted the FAA form. I hope it comes through correctly. Ed Zercher UNAPPROVED PARTS NOTIFICATION[PARA][PARA]SUSPECTED UNAPPROVED PARTS PROGRAM OFFICE, AVR-20[PARA]13873 PARK CENTER ROAD, SUITE 165[PARA]HERNDON, VA 20171 [PARA] U.S. Department[PARA] of Transportation[PARA] Federal Aviation[PARA] Administration [PARA]UPNs are posted on the Internet at http://www.faa.gov/avr/sups/upn.cfm[PARA] [PARA] No. 2003-00142[PARA] March 31, 2003 Published by: FAA, AIR-140, P.O. Box 26460, Oklahoma City, OK 73125 AFFECTED PRODUCTS All propellers maintained, altered, or approved for return to service by T and W Propellers, Inc. (Chino, CA). PURPOSE The purpose of this notification is to advise all aircraft owners, operators, manufacturers, maintenance organizations, and parts distributors regarding propellers maintained by T and W Propellers, Inc. (T and W), 7000 Merrill Avenue, Building E3, #50, Chino, CA 91710. T and W previously held Air Agency Certificate No. T6WR776N. BACKGROUND Information received during a Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) accident investigation revealed that T and W had failed to accomplish maintenance in accordance with the manufacturers' maintenance manuals (such as Hartzell Manual 133C, Hartzell Manual 202A, and Hartzell Service Bulletin 136H) or FAA-approved procedures. Improper procedures included failure to perform nondestructive inspections in accordance with FAA-approved procedures. Evidence indicated that T and W installed incorrect hardware and may have falsified work orders and other documentation associated with approving the propellers for return to service. The FAA has been unable to determine the exact time span during which the improper maintenance occurred. Therefore, all propellers that T and W maintained or approved for return to service from approximately 1997 until 2003 are suspect. RECOMMENDATION Regulations require that type-certificated products conform to their type design and be properly maintained using current data, required equipment, and appropriately trained personnel. Aircraft owners, operators, maintenance organizations, and parts distributors should inspect their aircraft, aircraft records, and/or parts inventories for any propeller work accomplished by T and W. If any propellers are installed on aircraft, appropriate action should be taken. If any propellers are found in existing inventory, it is recommended that the propellers be quarantined to prevent installation until a determination can be made regarding each propeller's eligibility for installation. FURTHER INFORMATION Further information concerning this investigation may be obtained from the FAA Flight Standards District Office (FSDO) given below. The FAA would appreciate any information concerning the discovery of the above-referenced propellers from any source, the means used to identify the source, and the action taken to remove the propellers from service. This notice originated from the Riverside FSDO, 6961 Flight Road, Riverside, CA 92504, telephone (909) 276-6701, fax (909) 689-4309; and was published through the FAA Suspected Unapproved Parts Program Office, AVR-20, telephone (703) 668-3720, fax (703) 481-3002. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:48 AM PST US From: "WALTER KERR" Subject: Re: RV-List: SNF report (5 rotary powered RV's), very long --> RV-List message posted by: "WALTER KERR" do not archive, Dana, Sorry I missed your Sat nite Brats. Was there Wed to Sat noon. Met with listers at noon each of those days. Helped to put some faces on folks from the list. Hope everyone is getting thru the weather that has Fla cut off to the north. Be interesting to hear some reports. I personally like the format of wed opening. Think Van should plan on the banquet about thursday nite to maximise the potential attendance. It felt like the RV's are already dominating the HB flight line. In years past there were a great number about sunday evening and dried up by wed, so if anything I think we had more planes on the average there. I was amazed at how many were in HB camping area. Offered some a ride to dinner one nite and they said they were cooking steaks, no thanks on the ride. I did not fly because do not like high density uncontrolled traffic and having wheels lets one escape to different food. My usual riders were rotary RV'ers from arizona, alabama, and NC. There were 5 rotary powered RV's. Tracy Crook won the 160hp RV class at 209mph. Did not see any eggenfellner RV's other than the static display in their exhibitors area. They should start showing up in mass since there are supposedly 200 sold to RV builders. Hope they turn out good since so many have invested in them. Bill Eslick (sp) from DFW area and an AA captain was there in his rotary with a tangenial muffler and it sounded like a car. Martin Sutter who lives at the same airpark reported that he believed that Bill had less teething problems when he started flying than most lycoming folks. Martin flew in the airplane and said it was almost erie from lack of vibration and noise :>). Bill is down on power from the other rotarys. Hope it is all in his intake system .The design is pretty obviously hurting power. Bernie Kerr, 6A flying , 9A rotary building There were impacts from > the change in starting dates but 2.5 rows of RVs were present with plenty > for anyone to see. The biggest change I saw were three large > "Margaritaville" tents over at the corner of the museum. This turned out to > be a hopping spot with food and beverage (yes, they started serving adult > beverages on site this year), live Buffett music and just a nice place to > meet up with people. > > http://rvflying.tripod.com/marga.jpg > > On Saturday we ended up having 45+ RV'ers show up at my campsite for brats > and beverage. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:34:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: SNF report (5 rotary powered RV's), very long From: "Larry Bowen" --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Thanks for the report. What is a tangenial muffler? -- Larry Bowen, RV-8 finish Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com 2003: The Year of Flight! WALTER KERR said: > --> RV-List message posted by: "WALTER KERR" > > do not archive, > > Dana, > > Sorry I missed your Sat nite Brats. Was there Wed to Sat noon. Met with > listers at noon each of those days. Helped to put some faces on folks > from the list. > > Hope everyone is getting thru the weather that has Fla cut off to the > north. Be interesting to hear some reports. > > I personally like the format of wed opening. Think Van should plan on > the banquet about thursday nite to maximise the potential attendance. It > felt like the RV's are already dominating the HB flight line. In years > past there were a great number about sunday evening and dried up by wed, > so if anything I think we had more planes on the average there. I was > amazed at how many were in HB camping area. Offered some a ride to > dinner one nite and they said they were cooking steaks, no thanks on the > ride. > > I did not fly because do not like high density uncontrolled traffic and > having wheels lets one escape to different food. My usual riders were > rotary RV'ers from arizona, alabama, and NC. There were 5 rotary powered > RV's. Tracy Crook won the 160hp RV class at 209mph. Did not see any > eggenfellner RV's other than the static display in their exhibitors > area. They should start showing up in mass since there are supposedly > 200 sold to RV builders. Hope they turn out good since so many have > invested in them. > > Bill Eslick (sp) from DFW area and an AA captain > was there in his rotary with a tangenial muffler and it sounded like a > car. Martin Sutter who lives at the same airpark reported that he > believed that Bill had less teething problems when he started flying > than most lycoming folks. Martin flew in the airplane and said it was > almost erie from lack of vibration and noise :>). Bill is down on power > from the other rotarys. Hope it is all in his intake system .The design > is pretty obviously hurting power. > > Bernie Kerr, 6A flying , 9A rotary building ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:53 AM PST US From: "Bert Forero" Subject: RV-List: wig wag flasher --> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" Hi: I was thinking to install the wig-wag, galls flasher, the FS039 model.. It comes with the on/off switch,power indicator light, front mounted fuse and wire 12ft. Does any one has installed this unit? I see some of you, have installed the FS034 model, it calls for direct wire, it does no say if it includes same as above. Would like to see how is connected... Thanks for the replies.. Bert rv6a Do Not Archive Sign up for Internet Service under $10 dollars a month, at http://isp.BlueLight.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:58 AM PST US From: "Patty Gillies" Subject: Re: RV-List: SNF report (5 rotary powered RV's), very long --> RV-List message posted by: "Patty Gillies" Bernie, The 2 RV from South Carolina arrived on Friday (least amount of time off work). It seems like most of the action took place at the beginning of the show. Next year I plan to bite the bullet and come at the beginning of the show. We did have some problems with weather. Our airplanes are in a hangar on St Simons Island. We ran into a nice couple with a T-6 that was also stuck and was heading toward Columbia in the last available rental car. They gave us a ride. By the time we left on Monday at noon there was only a hand full of RV left. How was the homebuilt camping? Was there much traffic over there? And most important how was the showers? Patty Hamilton RV-6 Flying South Carolina Patty Gillies Hamilton pgillies@gwm.sc.edu USC Environmental Health & Safety (803) 777-5269 BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 FN:Gillies, Patty TEL;WORK:5269 ORG:;Health & Safety TEL;PREF;FAX:5275 EMAIL;WORK;PREF;NGW:PGILLIES@gwm.sc.edu N:Gillies;Patty TITLE:Hazard Communications Manager END:VCARD ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:41 AM PST US From: "Tracy Crook" Subject: Re: RV-List: SNF report (5 rotary powered RV's), very long --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > Thanks for the report. What is a tangenial muffler? > > -- > Larry Bowen, RV-8 finish It's a muffler where the header pipes (only two on a rotary) enter the muffler can at a tangent (creates a circulation that dissipates the sound energy). Exhaust goes out a central tube full of holes (inside the muffler) then exits out the rear with a single pipe. Tracy Crook Do not acchive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:48 AM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: 2000-2300 RPM --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North Yes, I too would like to see that information. Lycoming generally doesn't publish this kind of thing as it completely depends on the aircraft/engine/prop combination. It is therefore normally published in the POH, if such a range exists and is often required to be indicated on the engine go fast meter. Sensenich has tested and approved their EXP (FM Series) prop for all RPMs up to redline (the one Vans sells for 0360s). On the one for O-320s they have limited it to 2650 I believe because there is a fourth order resonance at about 2850, and they want to stay 200 RPM away from it. (I think this uses the CM series). Now that being said, there are definately some O-360 aircraft with mid range limitations, but not all of them have those limitations. Also, Lycoming doesn't always practice what they preach. Some of their POHs say max CHT is 500f but every one of their engineers say keep it well below 450 for all of their products. Go figure??? ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:55 AM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: Nyloks --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North I would like to clarify a minor omission I made in the response to nyloks. Not all nyloks are the same, most seem to be rated to about 250f, but they do come in higher and lower operating ranges. I specially ordered some of these for fwl fwd applications. They are also Grade 8 hwd. Most of Lycoming's hwd is Grade 5. I used a local hwd specialty store to purchase these. W ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:16 PM PST US From: "Tracy Crook" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: taildragger dragger --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" I was about to go in search of a tail dragger dragger myself but after installing a full swivel tail wheel I found I didn't need one. Have the full swivel? Try one first. do not archive Tracy ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:53 PM PST US From: Rick Galati Subject: RV-List: RV Grin --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati Listers, I initiated a new Yahoo group dedicated to RV information sharing with the goal of exchanging RV information with one another in as short a time as possible. Intended only to broaden and promote the RV experience, the success of this Yahoo group forum will be based entirely upon the support (or die for the lack thereof ) of those interested souls who choose to participate. The only intent of the "RV Grin" is to offer an alternative open forum for the free and open distribution of thoughts and ideas relative to the RV experience. If you are of a mind, check out and participate in this brand new Yahoo group dedicated to RV'ers everywhere. We are starting with a blank page and it is entirely up to the like-minded to fill in the blanks and make the "Grin" an agreeable if alternative RV web site. Rick Galati http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rvgrin/ --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:14 PM PST US From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: Re: RV-List: 2000-2300 RPM --> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" My Sensenich 70CM prop came with a placard that says "Max RPM: Avoid all operation above 2600 RPM" Albert Gardner, Yuma, AZ N872RV 9-0132 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:20 PM PST US From: "RV6 Flyer" Subject: Re: RV-List: T & W Propeller notice --> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" Ed: Thanks. This sounds like the NTSB and FAA are doing their job. There was a fatal accident involving one of the owners of the airport that I am based at. I think the FAA or NTSB may be taking action against a contributing factor of this fatal accident. http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief.asp?ev_id=20030206X00174&key=1 Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,260 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com DO NOT ARCHIVE ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Ed Zercher" Subject: RV-List: T & W Propeller notice --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Zercher" I just came across this notice and wanted to let everyone know in case they have a propeller serviced or purchased from them. I copied and pasted the FAA form. I hope it comes through correctly. Ed Zercher UNAPPROVED PARTS NOTIFICATION[PARA][PARA]SUSPECTED UNAPPROVED PARTS PROGRAM OFFICE, AVR-20[PARA]13873 PARK CENTER ROAD, SUITE 165[PARA]HERNDON, VA 20171 [PARA] U.S. Department[PARA] of Transportation[PARA] Federal Aviation[PARA] Administration [PARA]UPNs are posted on the Internet at http://www.faa.gov/avr/sups/upn.cfm[PARA] [PARA] No. 2003-00142[PARA] March 31, 2003 Published by: FAA, AIR-140, P.O. Box 26460, Oklahoma City, OK 73125 AFFECTED PRODUCTS All propellers maintained, altered, or approved for return to service by T and W Propellers, Inc. (Chino, CA). PURPOSE The purpose of this notification is to advise all aircraft owners, operators, manufacturers, maintenance organizations, and parts distributors regarding propellers maintained by T and W Propellers, Inc. (T and W), 7000 Merrill Avenue, Building E3, #50, Chino, CA 91710. T and W previously held Air Agency Certificate No. T6WR776N. BACKGROUND Information received during a Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) accident investigation revealed that T and W had failed to accomplish maintenance in accordance with the manufacturers' maintenance manuals (such as Hartzell Manual 133C, Hartzell Manual 202A, and Hartzell Service Bulletin 136H) or FAA-approved procedures. Improper procedures included failure to perform nondestructive inspections in accordance with FAA-approved procedures. Evidence indicated that T and W installed incorrect hardware and may have falsified work orders and other documentation associated with approving the propellers for return to service. The FAA has been unable to determine the exact time span during which the improper maintenance occurred. Therefore, all propellers that T and W maintained or approved for return to service from approximately 1997 until 2003 are suspect. RECOMMENDATION Regulations require that type-certificated products conform to their type design and be properly maintained using current data, required equipment, and appropriately trained personnel. Aircraft owners, operators, maintenance organizations, and parts distributors should inspect their aircraft, aircraft records, and/or parts inventories for any propeller work accomplished by T and W. If any propellers are installed on aircraft, appropriate action should be taken. If any propellers are found in existing inventory, it is recommended that the propellers be quarantined to prevent installation until a determination can be made regarding each propeller's eligibility for installation. FURTHER INFORMATION Further information concerning this investigation may be obtained from the FAA Flight Standards District Office (FSDO) given below. The FAA would appreciate any information concerning the discovery of the above-referenced propellers from any source, the means used to identify the source, and the action taken to remove the propellers from service. This notice originated from the Riverside FSDO, 6961 Flight Road, Riverside, CA 92504, telephone (909) 276-6701, fax (909) 689-4309; and was published through the FAA Suspected Unapproved Parts Program Office, AVR-20, telephone (703) 668-3720, fax (703) 481-3002. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:16 PM PST US From: John Allen Subject: RV-List: Van's Windscreen VHF Comm Antenna --> RV-List message posted by: John Allen I had very good luck with the windscreen antenna. I have a GX-60 GPS/COM attached to an external COMANT antenna on top of the fuselage aft of the slider. The KX-125 operates off the windscreen antenna. I am able to use both radios without difficulty. I find that there are times when the windscreen antenna works better than the TSO'd antenna, and visa-versa. I haven't noticed any particular problem with the windscreen antenna being directional, though I'm sure there must be some of that. The only real problem I have encountered is there is more "scratchiness" on the KX-125 during some ground ops. One drawback to the windscreen antenna is that it looks less professional from the outside. There is no issue on the inside since I mounted it so that when I am seated the antenna is directly behind the roll-bar support and hardly visible. John Allen RV-6A --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:12 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Sealing fuel tanks From: "Ken Simmons" --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" I'm working on sealing my fuel tanks. I've seen many pictures of this process and the technique varies quite a bit. Specifically the amount of proseal used. I've seen some tanks with very little proseal on external fittings and some where it's applied pretty heavily (including George's video). Why is this? The idea is to keep the fuel on the inside of the tank so what's the purpose of the heavy coating externally? Perhaps this is why some can do both tanks with less than a quart and some require a quart and a half or more. Ken ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:42 PM PST US From: "WALTER KERR" Subject: Re: RV-List: SNF report (5 rotary powered RV's), very long --> RV-List message posted by: "WALTER KERR" Hi Patty, Sorry I missed you at SnF. I was in the regular campground, not in the HBC. I visited there on about Friday afternoon and there were over a dozen RV's still there. Do not know where they were showering. Are you going to Waco? Bernie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patty Gillies" Subject: Re: RV-List: SNF report (5 rotary powered RV's), very long > --> RV-List message posted by: "Patty Gillies" > > Bernie, > > The 2 RV from South Carolina arrived on Friday (least amount of time > off work). It seems like most of the action took place at the beginning > of the show. Next year I plan to bite the bullet and come at the > beginning of the show. We did have some problems with weather. Our > airplanes are in a hangar on St Simons Island. We ran into a nice > couple with a T-6 that was also stuck and was heading toward Columbia in > the last available rental car. They gave us a ride. > > By the time we left on Monday at noon there was only a hand full of RV > left. How was the homebuilt camping? Was there much traffic over > there? And most important how was the showers? > > Patty Hamilton > RV-6 Flying > South Carolina > > > Patty Gillies Hamilton > pgillies@gwm.sc.edu > USC Environmental Health & Safety > (803) 777-5269 > > > BEGIN:VCARD > VERSION:2.1 > FN:Gillies, Patty > TEL;WORK:5269 > ORG:;Health & Safety > TEL;PREF;FAX:5275 > EMAIL;WORK;PREF;NGW:PGILLIES@gwm.sc.edu > N:Gillies;Patty > TITLE:Hazard Communications Manager > END:VCARD > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:32 PM PST US From: "Curt Hoffman" Subject: Re: RV-List: Sealing fuel tanks --> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Hoffman" I think the important place to be careful is between the ribs and the skin. There too much can cause dimensional issues. Once I had everything riveted, I let the stuff fly. I figured a little extra weight in proseal on the outside and along the inside of the tank over the rivet heads and seams was cheap insurance against any leaks. Not pretty, but no one can see- and I had no leaks. I still finished both tanks with just a little over a quart. Curt Hoffman RV-9A wings done for now- working on tail 1968 Mustang 302 convertible Piper Cherokee N5320W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Simmons" Subject: RV-List: Sealing fuel tanks > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" > > I'm working on sealing my fuel tanks. I've seen many pictures of this > process and the technique varies quite a bit. Specifically the amount of > proseal used. I've seen some tanks with very little proseal on external > fittings and some where it's applied pretty heavily (including George's > video). Why is this? The idea is to keep the fuel on the inside of the > tank so what's the purpose of the heavy coating externally? Perhaps this > is why some can do both tanks with less than a quart and some require a > quart and a half or more. > > Ken > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:13 PM PST US From: Larygagnon@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Turn and Bamk for sale --> RV-List message posted by: Larygagnon@aol.com I have a new from Van's electric Falcon Gauge turn and bank (Wulrad) for sale. Includes the connector. I decided on a Navid and don't need it. $250.00 plus UPS. Contact me off list. Thanks. Larry Gagnon Cell 860-573-2205 Kitfox N102LG 220 hrs RV6 N6LG at the airport Do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:51 PM PST US From: "DEREK REED" Subject: RV-List: Mag gear wanted --> RV-List message posted by: "DEREK REED" Anyone have a good used mag gear, non impulse side, for Lycoming/Bendix Mag, at a reasonable price? Derek Reed 541-479-5216 dreed@cdsnet.net- ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:03 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: SNF report (5 rotary powered RV's), very long --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 4/8/2003 10:35:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Larry@bowenaero.com writes: > Thanks for the report. What is a tangenial muffler? For those that might want to search on the proper spelling, I believe it is a tangential muffler. -GV (RV-6A N1GV 596hrs) ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:03 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop test results posted --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 4/8/2003 1:30:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cgalley@qcbc.org writes: > Since the MT prop has a wooden core and is self-dampening there shouldn't be > any more problem than with any other wood prop. Actually, it may be self dampening if it leaks fluid, but I believe that it is also self damping. -GV (RV-6A N1GV 596hrs) ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:16 PM PST US From: "Don Mack" Subject: Re: RV-List: Turn and Bamk for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Don Mack" Larry, I am interested. Do you have any pictures of it or a site that has a picture? Don Mack ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Turn and Bamk for sale > --> RV-List message posted by: Larygagnon@aol.com > > I have a new from Van's electric Falcon Gauge turn and bank (Wulrad) for > sale. Includes the connector. I decided on a Navid and don't need it. > $250.00 plus UPS. Contact me off list. Thanks. > > Larry Gagnon > Cell 860-573-2205 > > Kitfox N102LG 220 hrs > RV6 N6LG at the airport > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:23 PM PST US From: "DEREK REED" Subject: RV-List: McCauley prop for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "DEREK REED" I have a very nice McCauley prop for sale. Off a Cessna 172 0-320. Part no.1C160/CTM Hub serial 721598. 75" dia 53" Pitch. Comes with 3 1/2 "long X 6in dia prop spacer and 7/16" bolts. 402.8 hrs since O/H $1600.0 + shipping. Derek Reed 541-479-5216[OR] dreed@cdsnet.net Derek Reed ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:49 PM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: main gear nuts --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" Could these all-metal nuts be part of the fire wall forward kit? Seems the metal nuts would be better and after all the designer has called for their use. Seems the nuts should come from Van's since it is their kit and design. Please post the final out come on this. If we all need to buy these nuts because Van's doesn't, it would be nice for all builders to know up front and we could plan to purchase it in with one of our future small parts order. Larry in Indiana, RV7 Tip-up O-360 3XG reserved. Working on Canopy of Finish Kit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: RV-List: main gear nuts > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > On the RV-7, and the plans call for using an "MS21045-5 ALL METAL LOCK NUT" > on the bolts that attach the main gear to the engine mount. Makes perfect > sense, since I was always told not to use nylon self-locking nuts > firewall-forward. > > Problem is, the kit didn't come with any of these all-metal nuts, and the > kit came explicitly with AN365-524 nuts in their place (bag 918: "ENG/LG HW > (6,7)"). > > I haven't spoken to Van's about this, but what's the concensus about > this...use the nylock nuts or go with the all-metal lock nuts? I actually > would have thought castellated nuts would be used here, but what do I > know... > > Any advice? > > Thanks in advance, > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D (canopy) > http://www.rvproject.com > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:38 PM PST US From: Oldsfolks@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re:Sealin Fuel Tanks --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com If you get stingy with the Pro-Seal you are much more likely to get leaks. That has been my impression over the years. As stated elsewhere; put a heavy fillet along the stiffeners and over the rivets inside. I used a generous fillet around the fittings and outside the end ribs also. It is lots better to cover it all the first time than to have to remove a tank to try and seal from outside. I have seen this problem on anothers plane. My humble opinion, Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:49 PM PST US From: "Joe Hine" Subject: RE: RV-List: Prop test results posted --> RV-List message posted by: "Joe Hine" GV You really are the list spelling, grammar and use of english nazi, but you do it SOOO well....(you can be sure I spell checked even this before I sent it) Joe Hine > Thanks for the report. What is a tangenial muffler? For those that might want to search on the proper spelling, I believe it is a tangential muffler. -GV (RV-6A N1GV 596hrs) > Since the MT prop has a wooden core and is self-dampening there shouldn't be > any more problem than with any other wood prop. Actually, it may be self dampening if it leaks fluid, but I believe that it is also self damping. -GV (RV-6A N1GV 596hrs) ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:43 PM PST US From: "Doug Weiler" Subject: RV-List: RV-6 for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" Fellow Listers: The MN Wing's tech counselor Tom Berge has just put his RV-6 up for sale. He is nearing completion of a brand new RV-7A so it is time to let go of 69TB. This is a tried and proven RV-6 having been flying since 1991. It is IFR equipped and certified and actively flown IFR (equipped with a new S-Tec model 20 autopilot). I'll vouch for its mechanical condition and dependability (I have spent over 100 hours in this airplane riding with Tom plus I got him his instrument rating in it a couple years ago). If you are looking for a reliable IFR X-C RV, this is it. Here is a website with all the details: http://www.pressenter.com/~dougweil/Tom/ Many thanks Doug Weiler pres, MN Wing ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:29 PM PST US From: "Fred Kunkel" Subject: Re: RV-List: T & W Propeller notice --> RV-List message posted by: "Fred Kunkel" Here's the first fall-out about this. Such a criminal shame!!! http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief.asp?ev_id=20030206X00174&key=1 He was part of the Cable family who owns the airport. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Zercher" Subject: RV-List: T & W Propeller notice > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Zercher" > > I just came across this notice and wanted to let everyone know in case they > have a propeller serviced or purchased from them. I copied and pasted the > FAA form. I hope it comes through correctly. > > Ed Zercher > > > UNAPPROVED PARTS NOTIFICATION[PARA][PARA]SUSPECTED UNAPPROVED PARTS PROGRAM > OFFICE, AVR-20[PARA]13873 PARK CENTER ROAD, SUITE 165[PARA]HERNDON, VA > 20171 [PARA] U.S. Department[PARA] of Transportation[PARA] > Federal Aviation[PARA] Administration > [PARA]UPNs are posted on the Internet at > http://www.faa.gov/avr/sups/upn.cfm[PARA] [PARA] No. 2003-00142[PARA] > March 31, 2003 > Published by: FAA, AIR-140, P.O. Box 26460, Oklahoma City, OK 73125 > > AFFECTED PRODUCTS > All propellers maintained, altered, or approved for return to service by T > and W Propellers, Inc. (Chino, CA). > > PURPOSE > The purpose of this notification is to advise all aircraft owners, > operators, manufacturers, maintenance organizations, and parts distributors > regarding propellers maintained by T and W Propellers, Inc. > (T and W), 7000 Merrill Avenue, Building E3, #50, Chino, CA 91710. T and W > previously held Air Agency Certificate No. T6WR776N. > > BACKGROUND > Information received during a Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) accident > investigation revealed that T and W had failed to accomplish maintenance in > accordance with the manufacturers' maintenance manuals (such as Hartzell > Manual 133C, Hartzell Manual 202A, and Hartzell Service Bulletin 136H) or > FAA-approved procedures. Improper procedures included failure to perform > nondestructive inspections in accordance with FAA-approved procedures. > Evidence indicated that > T and W installed incorrect hardware and may have falsified work orders and > other documentation associated with approving the propellers for return to > service. The FAA has been unable to determine the exact time span during > which the improper maintenance occurred. Therefore, all propellers that > T and W maintained or approved for return to service from approximately 1997 > until 2003 are suspect. > > RECOMMENDATION > Regulations require that type-certificated products conform to their type > design and be properly maintained using current data, required equipment, > and appropriately trained personnel. Aircraft owners, operators, > maintenance organizations, and parts distributors should inspect their > aircraft, aircraft records, and/or parts inventories for any propeller work > accomplished by T and W. If any propellers are installed on aircraft, > appropriate action should be taken. If any propellers are found in existing > inventory, it is recommended that the propellers be quarantined to prevent > installation until a determination can be made regarding each propeller's > eligibility for installation. > > FURTHER INFORMATION > Further information concerning this investigation may be obtained from the > FAA Flight Standards District Office (FSDO) given below. The FAA would > appreciate any information concerning the discovery of the above-referenced > propellers from any source, the means used to identify the source, and the > action taken to remove the propellers from service. > > This notice originated from the Riverside FSDO, 6961 Flight Road, Riverside, > CA 92504, telephone (909) 276-6701, fax (909) 689-4309; and was published > through the FAA Suspected Unapproved Parts Program Office, AVR-20, telephone > (703) 668-3720, fax (703) 481-3002. > >