---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/18/03: 47 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:25 AM - Electric Bob delivers (Andrew Morgan) 2. 05:19 AM - Re: need lock on slider canopy - any help (Shemp) 3. 05:28 AM - Re: Cellphone adaptor (mstewart@qa.butler.com) 4. 05:44 AM - Re: EAA membership (NY) (RV6160hp@aol.com) 5. 05:56 AM - Re: Alternative Engines (John Bright) 6. 08:03 AM - How does one reply to the list (Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO) 7. 08:18 AM - Vans Capacitive senders (Evan and Megan Johnson) 8. 08:26 AM - Re: How does one reply to the list (Glenn Brasch) 9. 08:47 AM - Re: How does one reply to the list (C. Rabaut) 10. 08:53 AM - Re: Cellphone adaptor (Dan Checkoway) 11. 09:41 AM - Rubbing cables (Wheeler North) 12. 09:53 AM - Dynon Report (Wheeler North) 13. 10:08 AM - Re: EAA membership (NY) (Cy Galley) 14. 10:30 AM - Re: How does one reply to the list (Bruce Knoll) 15. 10:48 AM - VOR prognosis? (Jeff Orear) 16. 10:50 AM - Re: How does one reply to the list (HCRV6@aol.com) 17. 11:01 AM - EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ... (James E. Clark) 18. 11:03 AM - Re: VOR prognosis? (Dan Checkoway) 19. 11:06 AM - Re: Dynon and Flaps (Jim Jewell) 20. 11:12 AM - Re: VOR prognosis? (Chris W) 21. 11:18 AM - Re: Dynon Report (Wheeler North) 22. 11:27 AM - Re: How does one reply to the list (Jim Jewell) 23. 11:58 AM - AC 43.13b (Was: Rubbing cables) (Bill Dube) 24. 12:14 PM - Re: Dynon Report (Maxime Gou) 25. 12:15 PM - Re: How does one reply to the list (Maxime Gou) 26. 12:15 PM - Re: VOR prognosis? (Maxime Gou) 27. 12:16 PM - Re: How does one reply to the list (Maxime Gou) 28. 12:56 PM - Re: VOR prognosis? (Jim Oke) 29. 12:56 PM - Re: How does one reply to the list (Steven Eberhart) 30. 01:03 PM - Re: VOR prognosis? (Jim Norman) 31. 01:51 PM - Re: Alternative Engines (Bob Coalson) 32. 01:53 PM - Re: Alternative Engines (Bob Coalson) 33. 02:06 PM - F-805E (Roberto Giusti) 34. 03:12 PM - RV7 Wing Kit Leadtimes (Dan Landry) 35. 04:29 PM - RVers in Orlando area? (Kevin Horton) 36. 04:51 PM - Re:RVers in Orlando area? (Bert Forero) 37. 05:06 PM - Vacum test (Bert Forero) 38. 05:15 PM - Pitot tube (Bert Forero) 39. 06:33 PM - Re: VOR prognosis? (Ed Holyoke) 40. 06:50 PM - RV-7 Landing Gear Question (N223RV@aol.com) 41. 07:27 PM - Re: RV-7 Landing Gear Question (Dan Checkoway) 42. 07:28 PM - Re: Vacum test (Cy Galley) 43. 08:31 PM - Cowling Inlet Size (WCruiser1@aol.com) 44. 08:40 PM - Re: VOR prognosis? (James E. Clark) 45. 09:10 PM - Re: VOR prognosis? (Randall Henderson) 46. 09:11 PM - Re: VOR prognosis? (LeastDrag93066@aol.com) 47. 10:56 PM - Re: VOR prognosis? (Ed Holyoke) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:55 AM PST US From: "Andrew Morgan" Subject: RV-List: Electric Bob delivers --> RV-List message posted by: "Andrew Morgan" I ordered a copy of Bob's book on April 3, 2003 and received it on April 17, 2003. Thanks Bob, looks great! (17 chapters, 232 pages, plus a 22-page appendix) Andrew Morgan ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:18 AM PST US From: "Shemp" Subject: Re: RV-List: need lock on slider canopy - any help --> RV-List message posted by: "Shemp" Buy good insurance. Jeff Do not post ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:15 AM PST US From: mstewart@qa.butler.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Cellphone adaptor tests=AWL,NO_REAL_NAME,ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham version=2.53 --> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com Wheeler, Great post. One question though. I have the Safety Cell gismo, "amplified version". http://www.airportshoppe.com/safetycell.html With both my Nokia old phone, and Sprint new phone, the volume is very weak to hear. Let us know how your volume works out. Cause Ill bet it needs a boost in the loud RV. I am not sure what is in the "amplified version" on the unit I have cause there is not power to it. You might have to design in a power amplifier. And if you do. I definitely want to know about it. I have spent time and money messin with this problem. (my phone is my life at work. So when I sneak out to the RV during the day, well... I need my phone to work in the plane.) First, I bought the PS Engineering 7000MS audio panel with the cellular interface option. Turns out the panel requires a dial tone to operate. URGH! Then I tried various adapters hand made before I found the impedance mismatch. Then I just gave up and forked over the $160.00 adapter. My only complaint is it needs a serious boosting. Hollor to us if you make an amplifier version. Mike Stewart Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Wheeler North [mailto:wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us] Subject: RV-List: Cellphone adaptor --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North Here is a website that I just put up that has a small circuit one can use to make a plugin connector to wire your cellphone audio/mic I/O into your intercom. Seems to work in my plane, but I haven't tested it in the air yet. (darned rain clouds, there's been two of them so far this week) http://www.miramarcollege.net/programs/avim/faculty/north/cell/ w ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:18 AM PST US From: RV6160hp@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA membership (NY) --> RV-List message posted by: RV6160hp@aol.com I only read a few of these "RE: EAA Membership replies", so sorry if I am missing something here. I will attempt to remain objective here. As the President of one of the most successful EAA Chapters. Chapter 486 in CNY. (WWW.eaachapter486.com). I can tell you our membership and Board-Officers have more than our share of complaints with EAA. Many of which we have been vocal of back to them. EAA national has caused angst, we here have voiced our concerns somewhat but as volunteers (little time or desire to chase these issues) and paying customers (shouldn't they strive for perfection, we pay their salaries, hey sounds like taxpayer complaints right?) seems we have little recourse but to grin and bear it. Starting last year with our 8th Annual RV Forum at KFZY. Those of you who attended know exactly what was going down, it wasn't good and the 130 members of EAA 486 and the 150+ other attendee's all weren't all that happy with EAA then, as we almost had to cancel it the day it was starting. The mood was hurt and the event went on with a EAA 486 Board vote, at I guess potentially great risk to EAA 486 and its membership alone. It is 100% clear EAA national is not organized in certain aspects, which we can't understand. I can tell you to send things certified mail and demand replies, plus hard copies of insurance coverage letters. But know EAA 486 feels that National EAA will work harder to find the loop hole to drop you like a hot potato thsan help you should the claim be required. Sorry but that is the feeling here, read on. This year our membership packet renewal demands, and those pesky insurance issues appear to be limiting what would appear all EAA 486 activities to very few and most none around anything to do with an airplane. Unless it is the EAA young eagle flights....But there are more than that aged youth bracket which we think ought be able to go for a ride in our planes...but don't even think you can have a member offer a ride while on your premises to a person...you may be liable.......if your chapter "brought them together". Perhaps those chapters which tell little of their event details to EAA National will find themselves lacking support (insurance coverage) when you most need it. We at EAA 486 have a large investment to protect, and found our honesty met head from National EAA with restrictions and little help other than digging a deeper hole for "our predicament" and little concern towards resolution. Then there was my personal requests for support, EAA National not even returning my many phone calls/messages regarding potential insurance loss claim against the chapter. I finally gave up, but I guess I was risking it all for 486. (Which thank gosh wasn't pursued against us). All of the above sure takes the fun out of volunteering for such a fun group, and as well leaves me wondering as an officer of a corporation my own persnonal liability and is it worth it? October my 3 year personal term is up for re-election. time will tell, as this summer's event schedule is largest ever for EAA chapter 486 (see the web site). And I'd add more after our anticipated August 2003 NYS Appellate verdict. If you want to know more might I suggest you join EAA 486 for a measly $20 bucks this year. Our court case has gone well in excess of most EAA annual budgets, in fact I'll bet 5x's most, and our dollars are being well spent, then you'd be abreast of the situation. Come visit us just once and I think you will agree it is membership monies well spent. Respectfully, David McManmon President, EAA Chapter 486 RV6 builder, owner, pilot ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:15 AM PST US From: John Bright Subject: Re: RV-List: Alternative Engines --> RV-List message posted by: John Bright > Who is tracy?... http://www.rotaryaviation.com/ do not archive http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:54 AM PST US From: Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO Subject: RV-List: How does one reply to the list --> RV-List message posted by: Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO I can only seem to reply to the person who wrote the email and not the list. BROCK VAUGHN, Capt, USAF Branch Chief, AWACS Plans, Programs & Operations ESC/AWXO 3 Eglin Street, Hanscom AFB, MA 01731 Office 781 377-7843 Fax 5776 (DSN 478) Home 781 354-6656 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:18 AM PST US From: "Evan and Megan Johnson" Subject: RV-List: Vans Capacitive senders --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" Ok guys, I have been getting conflicting information regarding the Vans capacitve sending units and their compatability with the Vision micorsystems fuel managers. Understandably, neither company will say that these systems work well together, since they boths sell senders and neither wants the liability. However, I have heard of people doing this with success. Sooooo, I would love to hear from those of you who have tried this combo...what did you find? Thanks in advance. Evan Johnson (530)247-0375 www.evansaviationproducts.com (proseal headquarters :) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:46 AM PST US From: "Glenn Brasch" Subject: Re: RV-List: How does one reply to the list --> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" You did reply to the list....bet that kid with the dreams of flight that you trashed knew how to....Glenn in AZ. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO" Subject: RV-List: How does one reply to the list > --> RV-List message posted by: Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO > > I can only seem to reply to the person who wrote the email and not the list. > > > BROCK VAUGHN, Capt, USAF > Branch Chief, AWACS Plans, Programs & Operations > ESC/AWXO 3 Eglin Street, Hanscom AFB, MA 01731 > Office 781 377-7843 Fax 5776 (DSN 478) Home 781 354-6656 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:32 AM PST US From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: Re: RV-List: How does one reply to the list --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" Congratulations... you've just "replied to the list". If you want to reply to each list (3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 10, etc..) you need to sign-up for each list. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO Subject: RV-List: How does one reply to the list > --> RV-List message posted by: Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO > > I can only seem to reply to the person who wrote the email and not the list. > > > BROCK VAUGHN, Capt, USAF > Branch Chief, AWACS Plans, Programs & Operations > ESC/AWXO 3 Eglin Street, Hanscom AFB, MA 01731 > Office 781 377-7843 Fax 5776 (DSN 478) Home 781 354-6656 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:12 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Cellphone adaptor --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" I don't think Wheeler's design needs a boost, since instead of being fed directly to a headset, it gets amplified by the intercom. Totally different approach than the SafetyCell. do not archive )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (finish) http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RE: RV-List: Cellphone adaptor > --> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com > > Wheeler, > Great post. > One question though. I have the Safety Cell gismo, "amplified version". > http://www.airportshoppe.com/safetycell.html > With both my Nokia old phone, and Sprint new phone, the volume is very weak > to hear. > > Let us know how your volume works out. Cause Ill bet it needs a boost in the > loud RV. I am not sure what is in the "amplified version" on the unit I have > cause there is not power to it. You might have to design in a power > amplifier. And if you do. I definitely want to know about it. I have spent > time and money messin with this problem. (my phone is my life at work. So > when I sneak out to the RV during the day, well... I need my phone to work > in the plane.) > > First, I bought the PS Engineering 7000MS audio panel with the cellular > interface option. Turns out the panel requires a dial tone to operate. URGH! > Then I tried various adapters hand made before I found the impedance > mismatch. Then I just gave up and forked over the $160.00 adapter. My only > complaint is it needs a serious boosting. Hollor to us if you make an > amplifier version. > > > Mike Stewart > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wheeler North [mailto:wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us] > To: 'rv-list@matronics.com' > Subject: RV-List: Cellphone adaptor > > --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North > > Here is a website that I just put up that has a small circuit one can use to > make a plugin connector to wire your cellphone audio/mic I/O into your > intercom. > > Seems to work in my plane, but I haven't tested it in the air yet. (darned > rain clouds, there's been two of them so far this week) > > http://www.miramarcollege.net/programs/avim/faculty/north/cell/ > > w > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:06 AM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: Rubbing cables --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North Scott, after reviewing all of yesterdays list no one answered your question. Cables shouldn't rub against anything other than fairleads, and then only if they are not deflected more than 3 degrees. Wires should be above fuel and oil lines. All should be clamped/pullied/fairleaded every X inches depending on size. AC 43.13-1b or 1a if you can still get it, has all of this very well laid out in it. AKA the mechanics bible W ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:34 AM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: Dynon Report --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North Well, I just got word that the D10 unit is in the mail. UPS tracking has it sitting in Redmond for the last 24 hours. God I hate the brown, I never have problems with any other shipper, and I always have problems with the brown. Why would anyone ever want to be known as the brown or associated with the brown. duh. On three occasions I've had them ruin props, one time they lost a prop. God only knows what kind of G forces this thing is going to be subjected to getting here. I hope they didn't write delicate instrument on the outside. Talk about brown gorilla temptations!!! OK, why is mine in the mail and those with lower numbers aren't? I think the s/n is related to when one ordered it, but, at least for the first 100 they are going by the internet list of who signed up first as indicating interest. I know I signed up on that at least 2 years ago. But this methodology is purely a guess on my part? definately do not archive - wow that was really easy ;{) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:20 AM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA membership (NY) --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" I am a former president of EAA Chapter 75, a former Newsletter editor for over 12 years, and the current Chair of the "Emergency Aircraft Repair", a service project of Chapter 75 for over 40 years at the convention. I can tell you I have an entirely different outlook about EAA. They have been pleasant to deal with, responsive to our requests, eager to solve our problems. Does everything go as we would like? Of course not. But our Chapter didn't grow from about 35 members to over 110 overnight without EAA help. The EAA itself is subject to many outside influences especially in the field of insurance. What can be insured reasonably one year may be impossible the next. Is this the EAA's fault? I don't think so. I don't know the details of your angst, but I do know that there are many hard working concerned people working for you at EAA. They are more than willing to go the extra mile to make things right. You have to let them know of your concerns in a cool logical open dialog so they have a chance to fix your problems. Your accusations to an open forum will not get the job done. You have to express them to the EAA directly. Then and only then will your complaint get any positive action. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org Always looking for articles for the Experimenter ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA membership (NY) > --> RV-List message posted by: RV6160hp@aol.com > > I only read a few of these "RE: EAA Membership replies", so sorry if I am > missing something here. I will attempt to remain objective here. > > As the President of one of the most successful EAA Chapters. Chapter 486 in > CNY. > (WWW.eaachapter486.com). I can tell you our membership and Board-Officers > have more than our share of complaints with EAA. Many of which we have been > vocal of back to them. EAA national has caused angst, we here have voiced > our concerns somewhat but as volunteers (little time or desire to chase these > issues) and paying customers (shouldn't they strive for perfection, we pay > their salaries, hey sounds like taxpayer complaints right?) seems we have > little recourse but to grin and bear it. > > Starting last year with our 8th Annual RV Forum at KFZY. Those of you who > attended know exactly what was going down, it wasn't good and the 130 members > of EAA 486 and the 150+ other attendee's all weren't all that happy with EAA > then, as we almost had to cancel it the day it was starting. The mood was > hurt and the event went on with a EAA 486 Board vote, at I guess potentially > great risk to EAA 486 and its membership alone. It is 100% clear EAA > national is not organized in certain aspects, which we can't understand. I > can tell you to send things certified mail and demand replies, plus hard > copies of insurance coverage letters. But know EAA 486 feels that National > EAA will work harder to find the loop hole to drop you like a hot potato > thsan help you should the claim be required. Sorry but that is the feeling > here, read on. > > This year our membership packet renewal demands, and those pesky insurance > issues appear to be limiting what would appear all EAA 486 activities to very > few and most none around anything to do with an airplane. Unless it is the > EAA young eagle flights....But there are more than that aged youth bracket > which we think ought be able to go for a ride in our planes...but don't even > think you can have a member offer a ride while on your premises to a > person...you may be liable.......if your chapter "brought them together". > > Perhaps those chapters which tell little of their event details to EAA > National will find themselves lacking support (insurance coverage) when you > most need it. We at EAA 486 have a large investment to protect, and found > our honesty met head from National EAA with restrictions and little help > other than digging a deeper hole for "our predicament" and little concern > towards resolution. > > Then there was my personal requests for support, EAA National not even > returning my many phone calls/messages regarding potential insurance loss > claim against the chapter. I finally gave up, but I guess I was risking it > all for 486. (Which thank gosh wasn't pursued against us). > > All of the above sure takes the fun out of volunteering for such a fun group, > and as well leaves me wondering as an officer of a corporation my own > persnonal liability and is it worth it? October my 3 year personal term is > up for re-election. time will tell, as this summer's event schedule is > largest ever for EAA chapter 486 (see the web site). > > And I'd add more after our anticipated August 2003 NYS Appellate verdict. If > you want to know more might I suggest you join EAA 486 for a measly $20 bucks > this year. Our court case has gone well in excess of most EAA annual > budgets, in fact I'll bet 5x's most, and our dollars are being well spent, > then you'd be abreast of the situation. Come visit us just once and I think > you will agree it is membership monies well spent. > > Respectfully, > David McManmon > President, EAA Chapter 486 > RV6 builder, owner, pilot > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:22 AM PST US From: "Bruce Knoll" Subject: Re: RV-List: How does one reply to the list --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Knoll" Address reply to list: rv-list@matronics.com B. Knoll ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO" Subject: RV-List: How does one reply to the list > --> RV-List message posted by: Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO > > I can only seem to reply to the person who wrote the email and not the list. > > > BROCK VAUGHN, Capt, USAF > Branch Chief, AWACS Plans, Programs & Operations > ESC/AWXO 3 Eglin Street, Hanscom AFB, MA 01731 > Office 781 377-7843 Fax 5776 (DSN 478) Home 781 354-6656 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:33 AM PST US From: "Jeff Orear" Subject: RV-List: VOR prognosis? --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" List: I am in the planning stage for my panel and need to make some decisions regarding radios. My dilemma is whether to install a NAV radio. How long is the VOR system going to be around? GPS has taken over as the preferred navigational tool, and I recall reading that the days of VOR navigation are numbered. I am considering purchasing a NAV/COM radio (specifically the KX125) first of all for a good COM radio, second to have a backup navigational tool, and third, to listen in to the AWOS at select airports, mine included (MNM). Anyone in the know regarding the fate of VOR?? Thanks Regards, Jeff Orear RV6A Panel stuff, waiting on finish kit Peshtigo, WI ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:51 AM PST US From: HCRV6@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: How does one reply to the list --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com In a message dated 4/18/03 8:04:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Brock.Vaughn@hanscom.af.mil writes: << I can only seem to reply to the person who wrote the email and not the list. >> If I recall correctly, that is what happens if you are trying to respond to a message in the digests. If not, then I'm stumped. Do not archive Harry Crosby Pleasanton, California RV-6, firewall forward ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:28 AM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RV-List: EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ... --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" GlacierThere have been several posts about EFIS, GRT and Windows along with whether GRT uses MS WIndows and if so whether this is a good idea. First, I am considering using the "Horizon" from GRT. **My** concern is far less about whether they have a version of Windows somewhere in it and more about their ability to engineer and deliver a high quality, functional system in the time-frame they are working. There are far greater gremlins waiting along the road ahead. Let's hope they can conquer them in a timely fashion. Now, a few comments from a different perspective ... First, as I recall my conversation with Greg at GRTand from looking at the current instantiation of the system, there are two (actually three) components to consider: 1. The actual AHRS and/or engine monitoring "subsystems" and 2. The display "subsytem". Their engine monitoring "subsystem" has been around for a long time and is not MS Windows based. The data it collects will get displayed in a "pretty" fashion so to speak. Their upcoming AHRS/air data computer "subsystem" uses their own "proprietary/written inhouse" (I think) code and is not MS Windows. They reportedly spent quite a bit of time over the last year or so working specifically on this. It too will spew forth data that is to be presented in "pretty" fashion for us to use as we fly along. The **DISPLAY** subsystem uses (as I recall) a slimmed-down version of Windows (probably Win-embedded). This subsystem will display the data from the subsystems above *and* take in GPS sentences and display info about where we are and where we are headed. It will have some database info stored locally as well (airports, airspaces etc.). It would not be appropriate to compare the experiences we have on out PCs with that we might expect in a system like what is being built. The problem is not all Windows ... it is one of complexity (due to nearly unlimited options for the PC). Once you "close off" the system to nothing but known components and use a version of "Windows" that is "fit for purpose", you can actually achieve reliability and stability far beyond what the average Windows user is likely to expect. Probably the best consumer demonstation of this is your local ATM. Counts out the cash reliably day after day in rain, snow (cold), sleet, hail or sunshine (hot). Not saying they NEVER fail but the MTBF is pretty high. It is great to see people like ControlVision (AnyWhereMap), Blue Mountain and Dynon push the envelope for us. Each has had teething pains (if it was so easy someone would done it a long time ago). Now GRT joins the fray with yet another offering to help us get there safely. Let's wish them and their approach the best. I am hopeful that GRT (as those mentioned above have begun to) will also deliver. James Do Not Archive . "If you don't make dust, you eat dust" ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:00 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: VOR prognosis? --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Are you going to fly IFR? If so, and depending on the airports you fly into regularly, having a LOC/GS receiver is invaluable...to be able to fly ILS approaches. An IFR GPS can get you into most airports, but ILS minimums are gonna get you home much more reliably than VOR/GPS minimums. If it wasn't for ILS approaches, there's no freakin' way I would have a Nav/Com in my panel...just an IFR GPS/Comm. But I do rely on ILS approaches enough to justify having the SL30 in addition to the GX60. Just my 2 cents, )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (finish) http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Orear" Subject: RV-List: VOR prognosis? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" > > List: > > I am in the planning stage for my panel and need to make some decisions regarding radios. > > My dilemma is whether to install a NAV radio. How long is the VOR system going to be around? GPS has taken over as the preferred navigational tool, and I recall reading that the days of VOR navigation are numbered. I am considering purchasing a NAV/COM radio (specifically the KX125) first of all for a good COM radio, second to have a backup navigational tool, and third, to listen in to the AWOS at select airports, mine included (MNM). > > Anyone in the know regarding the fate of VOR?? > > Thanks > > Regards, > > Jeff Orear > RV6A > Panel stuff, waiting on finish kit > Peshtigo, WI > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:20 AM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon and Flaps --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Hello W, Thursday April 17, 03 I spoke to Paul Wednesday the 16th. Paul told me my unit would be sent Thursday. He said that there where two units ahead of me. I am unsure as to how they developed the numerical priority shipping list but Paul referred to #s 38 and 39 as being the ones ahead of me. I ordered the internal compass module. Because of email information on the list I asked about it's configuration. To date, the directional heading configuration procedure is not as yet completely firmed up but Paul felt that it should be completely under control within a few weeks. In an earlier contact with them they told me that the AOA heated pitot project was put on hold (all hands to the fire so to speak) until production of the D-10 units was well under way. Paul told me that they have now put two people onto the pitot project again. He felt that it would be a couple of months before the AOA heated pitot would see production. This is fine with me as I still have enough wiring ,paint and upholstery etc.to keep me going for at least that long. As with the D-10 itself, I expect the pitot and heading procedure will in all likelihood have some further delays. As long as it all ends up operational in the next few months or so I'll be one happy dude. --------------- Friday April 18, 03. Yesterday I received my notification that # 40 Dynon EFIS D-10 was shipped. It will take a while for the unit to get across the border and into my hands so I expect to see it here late next week at the earliest. It sounds like they are ramping up the production line somewhat. I hope yours lands soft and safe. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wheeler North" Subject: RV-List: Dynon and Flaps > --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North > > Hey #40, > > lemme know if you get as now scheduled, that means I'm one week behind you. > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:01 AM PST US From: Chris W Subject: Re: RV-List: VOR prognosis? --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W I wouldn't discount VOR yet. I have heard from FAA employees, working on the "official" deployment of the WAAS, that say the FAA hasn't even decided what the fate of the VOR will be. They still want to wait and see how dependable the WAAS is and how much they like it. I would suspect that it will still be years down the road before VORs start going off line. Chris W Jeff Orear wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" > > List: > > I am in the planning stage for my panel and need to make some decisions regarding radios. > > My dilemma is whether to install a NAV radio. How long is the VOR system going to be around? GPS has taken over as the preferred navigational tool, and I recall reading that the days of VOR navigation are numbered. I am considering purchasing a NAV/COM radio (specifically the KX125) first of all for a good COM radio, second to have a backup navigational tool, and third, to listen in to the AWOS at select airports, mine included (MNM). > > Anyone in the know regarding the fate of VOR?? > > Thanks > > Regards, > > Jeff Orear > RV6A > Panel stuff, waiting on finish kit > Peshtigo, WI > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:24 AM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon Report --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North Well, it may be possible that they are able to produce the product for this price across the board. The other probability is that they may do this for the first 500 to 1000 and write it off as marketing. The final thought is they may be doing what Val does, offer it to the unwashed/uncertified for market beta testing until certification, then, when TSO'd, they double the price. all are valid marketing ploys... do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:02 AM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: Re: RV-List: How does one reply to the list --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Hi Brock, If you are using Outlook Express and you click on the senders email address that is in the senders email itself you will only send to that address. If you click on the "reply" button up near the top left hand corner of the page your email will default to (As in this case) rv-list@matronics.com I assume that this will be somewhat the same in most any other email software program. I hope this helps, Jim in Kelowna do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: How does one reply to the list > --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com > > In a message dated 4/18/03 8:04:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Brock.Vaughn@hanscom.af.mil writes: > > << I can only seem to reply to the person who wrote the email and not the > list. >> > > If I recall correctly, that is what happens if you are trying to respond to a > message in the digests. If not, then I'm stumped. > > Do not archive > > Harry Crosby > Pleasanton, California > RV-6, firewall forward > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:45 AM PST US From: Bill Dube Subject: RV-List: AC 43.13b (Was: Rubbing cables) --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube > >AC 43.13-1b or 1a if you can still get it, has all of this very well laid >out in it. AKA the mechanics bible Available on-line for free at http://www.moneypit.net/~pratt/ac43/ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:14:47 PM PST US From: "Maxime Gou" Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon Report --> RV-List message posted by: "Maxime Gou" please remove me from your list >From: Wheeler North >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: "'rv-list@matronics.com'" >Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon Report >Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:15:56 -0700 > >--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North > >Well, > >it may be possible that they are able to produce the product for this price >across the board. The other probability is that they may do this for the >first 500 to 1000 and write it off as marketing. The final thought is they >may be doing what Val does, offer it to the unwashed/uncertified for market >beta testing until certification, then, when TSO'd, they double the price. > >all are valid marketing ploys... > >do not archive > > MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:33 PM PST US From: "Maxime Gou" Subject: Re: RV-List: How does one reply to the list --> RV-List message posted by: "Maxime Gou" please remove me from your list >From: HCRV6@aol.com >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: How does one reply to the list >Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:48:18 EDT > >--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com > >In a message dated 4/18/03 8:04:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >Brock.Vaughn@hanscom.af.mil writes: > ><< I can only seem to reply to the person who wrote the email and not the >list. >> > >If I recall correctly, that is what happens if you are trying to respond to >a >message in the digests. If not, then I'm stumped. > >Do not archive > >Harry Crosby >Pleasanton, California >RV-6, firewall forward > > MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:52 PM PST US From: "Maxime Gou" Subject: Re: RV-List: VOR prognosis? --> RV-List message posted by: "Maxime Gou" please remove me from your list >From: "Jeff Orear" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RV-List: VOR prognosis? >Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:46:03 -0500 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" > >List: > >I am in the planning stage for my panel and need to make some decisions >regarding radios. > >My dilemma is whether to install a NAV radio. How long is the VOR system >going to be around? GPS has taken over as the preferred navigational tool, >and I recall reading that the days of VOR navigation are numbered. I am >considering purchasing a NAV/COM radio (specifically the KX125) first of >all for a good COM radio, second to have a backup navigational tool, and >third, to listen in to the AWOS at select airports, mine included (MNM). > >Anyone in the know regarding the fate of VOR?? > >Thanks > >Regards, > >Jeff Orear >RV6A >Panel stuff, waiting on finish kit >Peshtigo, WI > > http://messenger.fr.msn.ca/ ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:42 PM PST US From: "Maxime Gou" Subject: Re: RV-List: How does one reply to the list --> RV-List message posted by: "Maxime Gou" please remove me from your list >From: "Bruce Knoll" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: How does one reply to the list >Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:27:41 -0600 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Knoll" > >Address reply to list: rv-list@matronics.com >B. Knoll > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO" >To: >Subject: RV-List: How does one reply to the list > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO > > > > > I can only seem to reply to the person who wrote the email and not the >list. > > > > > > BROCK VAUGHN, Capt, USAF > > Branch Chief, AWACS Plans, Programs & Operations > > ESC/AWXO 3 Eglin Street, Hanscom AFB, MA 01731 > > Office 781 377-7843 Fax 5776 (DSN 478) Home 781 354-6656 > > > > > > MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:43 PM PST US From: Jim Oke Subject: Re: RV-List: VOR prognosis? --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke Jeff; Welcome to the world of aviation politics! Seriously, though, the fate and phase out date of the N. American and worldwide VOR network is at best indeterminate and will be driven by the needs/wants/economics of many different user communities. From the FAA's standpoint, the sooner the VORs disappear, the sooner the costs of VOR real estate, maintenance, electrical power, and periodic flight checks will all also disappear. Other gov't. departments have poured a lot of money into GPS, enhancements, WAS, and LEAS on the promise it will all be recouped when the VORs and Ills disappear and are waiting for that promise to be kept. From the standpoint of someone running a small commercial air transportation operation, who is happy with the ways things are and who doesn't want to pay $25,000 to reequip his light twin with a WAS grade GPS, and who simply doesn't have the money, then VOR should stay around for as long as possible. Even the major airlines (many of which are bankrupt or close to it) have little interest in paying for GPS/WAS retrofits and crew re-training unless there are real and tangible financial payoffs for them to do so. In short the $$$ savings will be realized by the FAA with lots of extra $$$ costs imposed on the users. Who has the political clout to get their way in the US Congress is the question. My guess is there will be enough inertia to keep VOR for a good 20 years or more. If you figure a VOR would help the flying you plan to do, then go ahead with a suitable VOR installation. Often, the politics of implementing a new technology is as interesting as the details of the technology itself. Read up on the Microwave Landing System (MLS) that was going to replace ILS worldwide by the year 2000 but fizzled badly instead. Jim Oke Winnipeg, MB RV-6A (GPS only, no VOR, first flight soon) Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Orear" Subject: RV-List: VOR prognosis? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" > > List: > > I am in the planning stage for my panel and need to make some decisions regarding radios. > > My dilemma is whether to install a NAV radio. How long is the VOR system going to be around? GPS has taken over as the preferred navigational tool, and I recall reading that the days of VOR navigation are numbered. I am considering purchasing a NAV/COM radio (specifically the KX125) first of all for a good COM radio, second to have a backup navigational tool, and third, to listen in to the AWOS at select airports, mine included (MNM). > > Anyone in the know regarding the fate of VOR?? > > Thanks > > Regards, > > Jeff Orear > RV6A > Panel stuff, waiting on finish kit > Peshtigo, WI > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:43 PM PST US From: Steven Eberhart Subject: Re: RV-List: How does one reply to the list --> RV-List message posted by: Steven Eberhart You have to do it yourself. Simply go to http://www.matronics.com/subscription and follow the directions. Steve Eberhart Maxime Gou wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Maxime Gou" > > please remove me from your list > > > >>From: HCRV6@aol.com >>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >>To: rv-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: RV-List: How does one reply to the list >>Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:48:18 EDT >> >>--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com >> >>In a message dated 4/18/03 8:04:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >>Brock.Vaughn@hanscom.af.mil writes: >> >><< I can only seem to reply to the person who wrote the email and not the >>list. >> >> >>If I recall correctly, that is what happens if you are trying to respond to >>a >>message in the digests. If not, then I'm stumped. >> >>Do not archive >> >>Harry Crosby >>Pleasanton, California >>RV-6, firewall forward >> >> >> > > > MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! > http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:22 PM PST US From: "Jim Norman" Subject: RE: RV-List: VOR prognosis? --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Norman" FYI, The FAA just installed a VOR at our airport during the last 2 months. It just got certified this past month, and isn't even on the new charts yet. Obviously, they are still putting new VORs out there, so it isn't going away anytime soon... jim Tampa -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris W Subject: Re: RV-List: VOR prognosis? --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W I wouldn't discount VOR yet. I have heard from FAA employees, working on the "official" deployment of the WAAS, that say the FAA hasn't even decided what the fate of the VOR will be. They still want to wait and see how dependable the WAAS is and how much they like it. I would suspect that it will still be years down the road before VORs start going off line. Chris W Jeff Orear wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" > > List: > > I am in the planning stage for my panel and need to make some decisions regarding radios. > > My dilemma is whether to install a NAV radio. How long is the VOR system going to be around? GPS has taken over as the preferred navigational tool, and I recall reading that the days of VOR navigation are numbered. I am considering purchasing a NAV/COM radio (specifically the KX125) first of all for a good COM radio, second to have a backup navigational tool, and third, to listen in to the AWOS at select airports, mine included (MNM). > > Anyone in the know regarding the fate of VOR?? > > Thanks > > Regards, > > Jeff Orear > RV6A > Panel stuff, waiting on finish kit > Peshtigo, WI > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:07 PM PST US From: "Bob Coalson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Alternative Engines --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Coalson" Jeff; GO FOR IT!!!! Don't listen to the nay sayers!!! I did, and now I am an old over the hill fart, but I am building a 8A (with my son's help and in his garage) and we are planning to do it for under 35k. Then after this one is finished I intend to build me a Bearhawk!!! If my wife doesn't kill me first (ha) or I kill myself trying to learn to fly at my advanced age(65 1/2). Best of luck with your project and I think you are making a wise choice. Bob C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lasater" Subject: Re: RV-List: Alternative Engines > --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Lasater > > Jeff, > > Go for it man! Do what you love and happines will > follow. As a current airline pilot, I have flown with > plenty of guys that went the military route and more > than plenty that went "the other way" (this includes > myself). Also, after you finish your RV and fly the > hell out of it, you can sell it for more than you put > into it (hopefully). > > > av8rrob > another aspiring RV-8 owner > > --- j tramontano wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "j tramontano" > > > > > > That was a confusing reply with the info on the Air > > Force. And who is tracy? > > I got advice on why I should not buy a plane and > > what to do with my career:) > > Well its too late to get the government to pay for > > my ratings as I have > > everything I need sans the ATP and the various > > CFI's. Plus the Air Force has > > this problem with people and vision correction that > > the airlines dont care > > about. I would give up quite a bit for a Strike > > Eagle slot but that isnt > > going to happen. Whats the next best thing to a > > F-15....a P51$$$.....how > > about a RV8!!!! I would like to complete one for > > under 35k and belive its > > possible as I am not building an IFR show plane. The > > engine choice is due to > > cost issues all around. Cheaper now, cheaper in the > > future for work and > > rebuild, cheaper when 100LL is phased out. I have > > plenty of friends my age > > who are financing $35k cars for five years. My car > > is paid off and I live > > with the rents:) I almost bought a 68 Cherokee 140 > > for $28k. It was slow, > > old, ugly, dirty, smelled funny, paint horrible, > > ancient panel but with a > > new motor and prop. Not a good deal. Since I am new > > to the list i see people > > are notating do not archive when its a discussion > > like this so here it goes > > > > Jeff > > Do Not Archive > > > > > > > > Contributions > > any other > > Forums. > > > > latest messages. > > List members. > > > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm > > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list > > http://www.matronics.com/archives > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:10 PM PST US From: "Bob Coalson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Alternative Engines --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Coalson" OOPS!! in my haste I forgot to add "do not archive" to my previous post. Sorry censors and all anal retentive individuals!!! DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lasater" Subject: Re: RV-List: Alternative Engines > --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Lasater > > Jeff, > > Go for it man! Do what you love and happines will > follow. As a current airline pilot, I have flown with > plenty of guys that went the military route and more > than plenty that went "the other way" (this includes > myself). Also, after you finish your RV and fly the > hell out of it, you can sell it for more than you put > into it (hopefully). > > > av8rrob > another aspiring RV-8 owner > > --- j tramontano wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "j tramontano" > > > > > > That was a confusing reply with the info on the Air > > Force. And who is tracy? > > I got advice on why I should not buy a plane and > > what to do with my career:) > > Well its too late to get the government to pay for > > my ratings as I have > > everything I need sans the ATP and the various > > CFI's. Plus the Air Force has > > this problem with people and vision correction that > > the airlines dont care > > about. I would give up quite a bit for a Strike > > Eagle slot but that isnt > > going to happen. Whats the next best thing to a > > F-15....a P51$$$.....how > > about a RV8!!!! I would like to complete one for > > under 35k and belive its > > possible as I am not building an IFR show plane. The > > engine choice is due to > > cost issues all around. Cheaper now, cheaper in the > > future for work and > > rebuild, cheaper when 100LL is phased out. I have > > plenty of friends my age > > who are financing $35k cars for five years. My car > > is paid off and I live > > with the rents:) I almost bought a 68 Cherokee 140 > > for $28k. It was slow, > > old, ugly, dirty, smelled funny, paint horrible, > > ancient panel but with a > > new motor and prop. Not a good deal. Since I am new > > to the list i see people > > are notating do not archive when its a discussion > > like this so here it goes > > > > Jeff > > Do Not Archive > > > > > > > > Contributions > > any other > > Forums. > > > > latest messages. > > List members. > > > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm > > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list > > http://www.matronics.com/archives > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:30 PM PST US From: "Roberto Giusti" Subject: RV-List: F-805E --> RV-List message posted by: "Roberto Giusti" Listars, I can't seem to find my F-805E Rudder cable supports. Can anyone tell me in which bag I can find them and what else is in that bag? I think I may be missing the entire bag. Roberto Giusti RV8 QB Fuse roby@mail.com ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:04 PM PST US From: "Dan Landry" Subject: RV-List: RV7 Wing Kit Leadtimes --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Landry" I'm about to order the wing kit & noticed the lead times have changed from 8 to 12 weeks. I expect to be finished the emp kit in a few weeks. Is there anybody out there who is expecting delivery & isn't ready to build & would like to trade delivery dates? You can email me off list. Are the wing kit lead times accurate or are people getting delivery sooner than quoted? BTW, I received a demo ride @ SNF in the RV7 N137RV. What a great ride and it really got me motivated. Thanks. Dan Landry rv7@adv-sol.net Finishing emp kit N101DL(reserved) ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:42 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: RV-List: RVers in Orlando area? --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton I'll be attending a conference in the Orlando, FL area from April 21 - 25. I'm not sure yet what my schedule will look like, but there is a chance I'll have some free time in the evenings. Are there any RV builders or flyers in the Orlando area who I could visit with? I'll be staying near the I-4 and the Osceola Parkway, SE of Disney World. I'll have a rental car. Other than the Fantasy of Flight Museum, and NASA's museum at Cape Canaveral, where should an aviation buff plan to visit in the Orlando area? -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/ ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:02 PM PST US From: "Bert Forero" Subject: Re:RV-List: RVers in Orlando area? --> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" Kevin: We have about 20 builders right here in Orlando. We have a meeting at the EAA chapter 74 on the third tuesday of every month. But, if you give us a call, I will tell you how we can get together, and see some of the builders and planes etc.. I am one of them, working on an RV6a. Bert Send me an e-mail when you know exactly dates you will be around here.. Do NOt Archive. Sign up for Internet Service under $10 dollars a month, at http://isp.BlueLight.com ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:26 PM PST US From: "Bert Forero" Subject: RV-List: Vacum test --> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" Hi: I put his e-mail but received notice, failure...so here I go again: Before I close the top foward skin, I would like to test the static system. I know there is Vacum test tool, I do not know the exact name) I checked J.C Whitney, thinking the would carry this item, I did not see it. Check Spruce, I did not see it.. Can some one tell me where I can find such gauge,, or any ideas on this? Thanks Bert rv6a Electrical finished.. Do Not Archive Sign up for Internet Service under $10 dollars a month, at http://isp.BlueLight.com ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:36 PM PST US From: "Bert Forero" Subject: RV-List: Pitot tube --> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" Hello: I am ready to connect the Alt. to the pitot tube, I have used the plastic tubes for all other connections, except of course the Vacumm system. Should I use aluminum, on this, or plastic is ok? Thanks for comments and suggestions. Bert rv6a Ready soon to start canopy Sign up for Internet Service under $10 dollars a month, at http://isp.BlueLight.com ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:27 PM PST US From: "Ed Holyoke" Subject: RE: RV-List: VOR prognosis? --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" Another thing is that the FAA won't buy off on an approach certified IFR GPS installation unless there is a VOR receiver also installed and, in most cases, an annunciator panel as well. Ed Holyoke > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > Are you going to fly IFR? If so, and depending on the airports you fly > into > regularly, having a LOC/GS receiver is invaluable...to be able to fly ILS > approaches. An IFR GPS can get you into most airports, but ILS minimums > are > gonna get you home much more reliably than VOR/GPS minimums. > > If it wasn't for ILS approaches, there's no freakin' way I would have a > Nav/Com in my panel...just an IFR GPS/Comm. But I do rely on ILS > approaches > enough to justify having the SL30 in addition to the GX60. > > Just my 2 cents, > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D (finish) > http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:13 PM PST US From: N223RV@aol.com Subject: RV-List: RV-7 Landing Gear Question --> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com I have a question I could not find in the manual for the RV-7. I installed the engine mount to the firewall, and when I try to insert the landing gear legs to the mount, it hits the lower corners of the side skin and firewall. I assume I am to cut clearances around the gear, but wanted to make sure before doing so. If this is the case, how much clearance should I have around the gear legs? Thanks for the help! -Mike ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:42 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Landing Gear Question --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" http://www.rvproject.com/20030409.html (see about halfway down) Just cut away "as much as you need." Sorry not to be more specific, but I made semi-circular (more or less) cutouts in the corner of the firewall/belly skin flange area. It's an iterative process if you go conservatively and take off a little at a time, check the fit, take off some more, etc. I used a 1/2" sanding drum in the Dremel and just whizzed right through pretty quickly, and it's easy that way to keep the cutouts nice and round. You may also find that you need to emery cloth the inside of the engine mount where the landing gear legs insert, and use some grease to help coax 'em up in there if they're stubborn. Also...when it comes time to drill the axle nut cotter pin holes in the axles, don't follow the instructions and center-punch the axle. Instead, use your 12" long #40 drill bit to drill a "dimple" in the axle. Center punching can cause thread damage that can strip the axle nut if you're not gentle enough (the irony being that if you're too gentle you can't see the punch mark). Have fun! )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (finish) http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: RV-7 Landing Gear Question > --> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com > > > I have a question I could not find in the manual for the RV-7. I installed > the engine mount to the firewall, and when I try to insert the landing gear > legs to the mount, it hits the lower corners of the side skin and firewall. > I assume I am to cut clearances around the gear, but wanted to make sure > before doing so. If this is the case, how much clearance should I have > around the gear legs? > > Thanks for the help! > -Mike > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:31 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV-List: Vacum test --> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" Vacuum? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Forero" Subject: RV-List: Vacum test > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bert Forero" > > Hi: > > I put his e-mail but received notice, failure...so here > I go again: > > Before I close the top foward skin, I would like to > test the static system. > > I know there is Vacum test tool, I do not know the > exact name) I checked J.C Whitney, thinking the would > carry this item, I did not see it. Check Spruce, I did > not see it.. > > Can some one tell me where I can find such gauge,, > > or any ideas on this? > > Thanks > > Bert > > rv6a > Electrical finished.. > > Do Not Archive > > Sign up for Internet Service under $10 dollars a month, at http://isp.BlueLight.com > > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:58 PM PST US From: WCruiser1@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Cowling Inlet Size --> RV-List message posted by: WCruiser1@aol.com Began mounting lower cowling and I am looking for the size to make the air inlets. My building partner says the smalller the better. I have a 0-360 and plan on 2.625 vertical opening size. Any observations or advise welcome. Gary Gembala ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:46 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: VOR prognosis? --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" Except (so they say) for the new UPSAT CNX-80. It in theory can be used as the primary instrument for navigation enroute and approach. So they say ... James > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ed Holyoke > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:21 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: VOR prognosis? > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" > > Another thing is that the FAA won't buy off on an approach certified IFR > GPS installation unless there is a VOR receiver also installed and, in > most cases, an annunciator panel as well. > > Ed Holyoke > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > > > Are you going to fly IFR? If so, and depending on the airports you > fly > > into > > regularly, having a LOC/GS receiver is invaluable...to be able to fly > ILS > > approaches. An IFR GPS can get you into most airports, but ILS > minimums > > are > > gonna get you home much more reliably than VOR/GPS minimums. > > > > If it wasn't for ILS approaches, there's no freakin' way I would have > a > > Nav/Com in my panel...just an IFR GPS/Comm. But I do rely on ILS > > approaches > > enough to justify having the SL30 in addition to the GX60. > > > > Just my 2 cents, > > )_( Dan > > RV-7 N714D (finish) > > http://www.rvproject.com > > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:57 PM PST US From: "Randall Henderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: VOR prognosis? --> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" I went through the exact same exercise over 4 years ago. Funny how the more things change, the more they stay the same! In my case I fly my plane IFR which means a VOR/GS/LOC is still a must at the airports/approaches I fly. But for VFR? Forget it. If you want backup, buy another GPS. If you're really paranoid (jammed satellites, etc. -- it's been known to happen), well, they DO still teach that map and compass stuff in pilot training courses, don't they? :-) For a COM, get the UPSAT SL40 -- their "standby monitor" function makes it essentially two COMs in one. Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~450 hrs) Portland, OR www.vanshomewing.org ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:24 PM PST US From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: VOR prognosis? --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com Hi All, VOR isn't just for IFR flying. If you want to talk to Flight Following, or Flight Watch, they would like to transmit to you on the NAV frequencies (so their transmitter is near you). As I found out in Texas (no NAV receiver), the center can get pretty far away. Experiences may vary. Jim Ayers ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:57 PM PST US From: Ed Holyoke Subject: RE: RV-List: VOR prognosis? --> RV-List message posted by: Ed Holyoke That's because it's got vor/ils and annuciator built in just like the Garmin GNS-430/530. Ed Holyoke > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James E. Clark > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 8:39 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: VOR prognosis? > > --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" > > Except (so they say) for the new UPSAT CNX-80. > > It in theory can be used as the primary instrument for navigation enroute > and approach. > > So they say ... > > James > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ed Holyoke > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:21 PM > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: RV-List: VOR prognosis? > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" > > > > Another thing is that the FAA won't buy off on an approach certified IFR > > GPS installation unless there is a VOR receiver also installed and, in > > most cases, an annunciator panel as well. > > > > Ed Holyoke > > > > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > > > > > Are you going to fly IFR? If so, and depending on the airports you > > fly > > > into > > > regularly, having a LOC/GS receiver is invaluable...to be able to fly > > ILS > > > approaches. An IFR GPS can get you into most airports, but ILS > > minimums > > > are > > > gonna get you home much more reliably than VOR/GPS minimums. > > > > > > If it wasn't for ILS approaches, there's no freakin' way I would have > > a > > > Nav/Com in my panel...just an IFR GPS/Comm. But I do rely on ILS > > > approaches > > > enough to justify having the SL30 in addition to the GX60. > > > > > > Just my 2 cents, > > > )_( Dan > > > RV-7 N714D (finish) > > > http://www.rvproject.com > > > > > > > > > >