---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/24/03: 36 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:57 AM - Bendix King radio manuals (Jerry Calvert) 2. 05:14 AM - Re: EAA Airventure Cup Race (Ken Balch) 3. 06:00 AM - Re: H2AD enigine parts required. (engines) 4. 06:21 AM - Midwest RV and Rocket Fly-In (Morocketman@aol.com) 5. 06:31 AM - Re: Bendix King radio manuals (Bob Di Meo) 6. 06:56 AM - Flying Dynon (John Furey) 7. 07:47 AM - Re: Flying Dynon (Miller Robert) 8. 08:24 AM - Re: Spam (Patrick Kelley) 9. 08:32 AM - Re: Flying with the Dynon-Answers (C. Rabaut) 10. 08:32 AM - Re: Spam (Skor Grimm) 11. 09:01 AM - Re: Eyeball cable bulkhead - new style (Garry LeGare) 12. 09:03 AM - Re: Eyeball cable bulkhead - new style (Garry LeGare) 13. 09:12 AM - Re: Flying with the Dynon-The Real Deal (Kevin Horton) 14. 09:14 AM - Digital altimeter (Austin) 15. 09:28 AM - Re: Spam - filtering (Chris W) 16. 10:02 AM - Re: Spam - filtering (Larry Bowen) 17. 10:53 AM - Re: Spam - filtering (Dwight Frye) 18. 12:17 PM - Re: Spam - filtering (Brad Benson) 19. 12:32 PM - Re: email client? (WPAerial@aol.com) 20. 02:17 PM - using a handheld as a second radio... (Bill VonDane) 21. 02:25 PM - Electronic Tach Wiring (Bill VonDane) 22. 02:50 PM - GPS 196 and Comant antenna (Bill VonDane) 23. 04:01 PM - Re: email client? (GW) 24. 04:59 PM - Rudder mounting (emrath) 25. 05:09 PM - Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring (Bill VonDane) 26. 05:42 PM - Re: using a handheld as a second radio... (Kevin Horton) 27. 06:30 PM - Re: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring (Paul Besing) 28. 06:33 PM - Re: using a handheld as a se stereo (WPAerial@aol.com) 29. 06:57 PM - Re: Rudder mounting (Jim Sears) 30. 07:04 PM - Re: Rudder mounting (Alex Peterson) 31. 07:29 PM - Becker Com (J. R. Dial) 32. 07:53 PM - Re: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring (Phil Birkelbach) 33. 08:47 PM - Re: EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ... (James E. Clark) 34. 08:47 PM - Yaesu. (Rob W M Shipley) 35. 09:47 PM - Re: Rudder mounting (Ed Holyoke) 36. 09:51 PM - Re: Re: Hello (long as hell) (Meketa) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:53 AM PST US From: "Jerry Calvert" Subject: RV-List: Bendix King radio manuals --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" Anyone have KY97A and KT76A radio and transponder manuals that they would like to sell? Please contact me off list. Or, anyone know a good source for the manuals. Thanks, Jerry Calvert Edmond Ok RV6 N296JC Do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:29 AM PST US From: Ken Balch Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA Airventure Cup Race --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch Hi JT, I'm thinking of participating in the event this year and I'd like to request the insurance certificate. Thanks!! Regards, Ken Balch RV-8 N118KB John Helms wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" > >A lot of my customers have requested or asked about this race and the insurance requirements. For them and everyone else: > >The VanGuard Program underwriter and most other insurance companies that do homebuilts support the EAA in that they will meet the EAA insurance requirements for "races" such as the AirVenture Cup. The waiver of subrogation is the only thing that most of the companies really have heartburn with providing (but they'll normally do it for the EAA). That waiver is a promise to not 'go after' another party that is ultimately responsible for damaging your plane after the insurance company has paid out a claim. > >If you are insured with NationAir, there is no need in sending the requirements to us, as we already have them here. You merely would need to let us know you want to participate, and we can request the certificate for you. > >Thanks > >John "JT" Helms >Branch Manager >NationAir Insurance Agency >Pleasure and Business Branch > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:17 AM PST US From: "engines" Subject: Re: RV-List: H2AD enigine parts required. --> RV-List message posted by: "engines" GIVE ME A CALL AND I WILL SEE WHAT I CAN DO TO FIND YOU SOME SERVICEABLE PARTS.BEFORE YOU ORDER YOUR LIFTERS YOU WILL NEED TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF CASE YOU HAVE. ISN'T THERE A CASE SHOP DOWN THERE?GOOD USED CASES THAT ARE READY TO GO ARE RUNNING 1700.00 -2000.00.I WOULD THINK A CASE SHOP WOULD ONLY CHARGE 600.00-800.00. LET ME KNOW IF I CAN HELP. 1-618-797-663O EXT 28 JESSE ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: graham jones >--> RV-List message posted by: graham jones > >Listers, > >I have a request for a mate with an RV4 that is just about finished and who has a H2AD to go into it that needs a few bits and pieces to get it going. He was/is on a budget and has experienced all the 'finest things' that the 'nicest' aviation parts suppliers could throw at him (he got ripped off with no comeback in other words......). What he needs are some bits and pieces, big and small as you will see from the list and I figured that it might be cheaper for him to be able to source them from over there rather than pay the elevated prices we see out here in Australia..... I don't expect to source them all from listers (or at all, unless you or someone real close to you has them ...). What I am after is the best source of the bits on the following list? > >1. Crankcases (his are badly fretted and it seems that it will cost as much to line bore them as a serviceable secondhand set ....) >2. Main Bearings - Rods are standard - crank is/will be -3 thou. >3. A camshaft and probably a set of lifters too but he didn't mention them. I'll call him and ask when he gets home from touring in a day or so. >4. A set of Exhaust Valves, Collets, & Retainers (and springs - again to be checked) >5. A gasket set (complete) >6. A pair of cylinders complete with pistons and rings... > >I know of Bart Lalonde at Aerosport power but if there is another good source for this stuff it would be good to know too, especially if he could get a set of cases in genuinely serviceable second hand condition for a good price. There are the obvious bits he'll have to have as new so if anyone can tell me the best source for it we/he will be very grateful. > > >Cheers >Graham Jones >Kilmore, Victoria >Australia > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:37 AM PST US From: Morocketman@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Midwest RV and Rocket Fly-In --> RV-List message posted by: Morocketman@aol.com Hi Guys and Gals, Please consider coming to a Fly-In this Saturday and Sunday at Rebel's Bluff Airport. N37 06.1 and W93 52.2. It is two miles north of Mt. Vernon, MISSOURI, Airport (2MO). I'd like to have this be the largest fly-in of RV's and Rockets outside of Osh, S n Fun, and Van's Homecoming. The lunch will be a Memphis Style Bar-B-Que sandwich from "Hawg Wild" Bar-B-Que. That alone is worth the trip, and free for the pilot. We'll have some special demo flights, and a presentation at 2:00 PM. If you can stay overnight, the local motel is offering $50/couple or two to a room. Camp on the airstrip if you like. Dinner will be a "cook it yersef" charcoal steaks, chicken etc. With baked potato and salad. And lot's of "good flying lying". I'll whip up a breakfast guaranteed to get you at least halfway home. I have had a great response with airplanes coming from Indianapolis, Minneapolis, Albuquerque, and all points in between. Looks like the weather will be super all over the Midwest with clear skies here and temps around 70F. Ya'll come and experience some "good olde Ozarks" hospitality. Send e-mail or call for more infomation. lwfeatherston@aol.com, morocketman@aol.com, or 417-466-4663. YOUR RSVP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED, Thanks, Les Featherston Could someone be sure this shows up on the Matronics RV list. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:14 AM PST US From: "Bob Di Meo" Subject: Re: RV-List: Bendix King radio manuals --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Di Meo" You can find some installation manuals on e-bay right now. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Calvert" Subject: RV-List: Bendix King radio manuals > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" > > Anyone have KY97A and KT76A radio and transponder manuals that they would like to sell? Please contact me off list. > > Or, anyone know a good source for the manuals. > > Thanks, > Jerry Calvert > Edmond Ok > RV6 N296JC > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:07 AM PST US From: "John Furey" Subject: RV-List: Flying Dynon --> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" Just installed my Dynon last night. And made my 1st flight with it this morning. I had pretty much decided I would not like it and I was right... I LOVE IT. Too early for a complete evaluation and the heading function is not working yet but I am very impressed. John Furey RV6A O-320 70hrs Full IFR + Dynon ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:52 AM PST US From: Miller Robert Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying Dynon --> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert Installed it last night, and flew it this morning? That by itself is impressive I think. Robert John Furey wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" > > Just installed my Dynon last night. And made my 1st flight with it this morning. I had pretty much decided I would not like it and I was right... I LOVE IT. Too early for a complete evaluation and the heading function is not working yet but I am very impressed. > > John Furey > RV6A O-320 70hrs > Full IFR + Dynon ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:23 AM PST US From: "Patrick Kelley" Subject: RE: RV-List: Spam --> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" I apologize for continuing an off-topic discussion but it concerns us 'Listers because email is the environment we operate in. A lot of good tips have been given out here, but none are foolproof... we can only minimize spam for the moment. The Javascript idea that Dan passed on is not bad but many spiders have already been rewritten to parse for some common schemes like that. A better version reads encrypted text strings that a spider can't parse but requires more work to maintain the site. I also endorse Eudora, though it can't do all the neat things Outlook can. On the other hand, it is easier to set up and use. However, Outlook is capable of all the filtering that was described below. The problem with filtering in this fashion is that spammers are getting smart enough to change both subject and sender address so that they will slip past the filters the next time they are sent. If you have a high profile address, you may find it more convenient to do exception filtering. How that works is you set up a filter that takes email from a list of known addresses and places them in your inbox. You then create a filter that looks for keywords (like RV-List) that would be in general mail that would be of interest to you (that way you won't have to enter all the addresses in the RV-list into your first exception filter). The next filter looks for a keyword you make up; this keyword is put somewhere in mail you send to folk not in the first filter or they are instructed to put it in correspondence to you. Finally, creaate a filter that sends all email to the trash. The filters must run in that order (which can be specified in both Outlook and Eudora). The downsides to this technique is that you have to fiddle with the filters to allow people to send you email and it is possible that some email you want will get filtered. This is especially true if a friend changes email address without telling you or some casual correspondent fails to include the keyword in their email. If you can't abide the thought of lost emails, THIS TECHNIQUE IS NOT FOR YOU. I've only used it in extreme cases where clients were getting hammered with hundreds of spam per day; myself, I deal with about 20 spam per day and don't feel it is worth it for me. A word about the keyword filter - that is intended to let you correspond temporarily with someone not in your exception list. For example, you win an ebay auction. Give the seller your keyword so he can send email to you. You can change the keyword from time to time (and it should not be an actual word, or some spam is likely to contain it by accident and get through), but it is not likely to be picked up on by a spammer. Again, apologies for the off-topic stuff (do not archive, of course) but I just wanted to throw out another idea for the sufferers out there. The best thing you can do is push for legislation to make spamming illegal, otherwise they can operate with complete impunity. It remains to be seen whether the anti-telemarketing legislation will have any teeth, but it is a step in the right direction and may be a sign that we are getting fed up with the invasion of our privacy. Hopefully, the spammers will be next. Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - Fuselage structure in paint shop Flion Consulting -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of prober@iwaynet.net Subject: RE: RV-List: Spam --> RV-List message posted by: prober@iwaynet.net Austin, I would highly recommend that you get the Eudora e-mail program and scrap the Outlook from MS. In Eudora they have filters that are very easy to set up that transfer the spammers directly to the trash bin. I may get one or two spammers that get through per day but I just take a couple of seconds and creat a filter that gets them too. I usually do keywords in the subject line to send the message directly to trash along with the senders ID. Since I get LRI e-mail from the same address I am able to go to the trash mailbox in Eudora and scan for any possible relavant e-mail and then I just highlight the rest in block and delete them in one click. I have been usuing Eudora for years and I can't say enough good things about this E-mail program. It also helps prevent virus infection since a lot of viruses depend on MS Outlook to infect your computer. I think I purchased my version of Eudora about 4 years ago so thats about 10 bucks per year of use. Check it out. They used to have a free version for trial but it had a small window for adds that I found annoying. It's a great program though when you just pay for it. AL ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:01 AM PST US From: "C. Rabaut" Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying with the Dynon-Answers --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Stratman > Am I comfortable that I could fly in turbulence IFR with a loss of the > Dynon(Partial Panel), No--At that point I figure I will un-strap, get up, > turn around and sit on the stick while waiting for impact in hopes of > confusing the crash investigation team. > Paul, You slay me... I almost fell out of my chair, great mental/visual picture. Chuck do not archive, I went to Google & saw all the stuff I wrote... What was I thinking? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:01 AM PST US From: "Skor Grimm" Subject: RE: RV-List: Spam --> RV-List message posted by: "Skor Grimm" Austin & others: A good report on where the pond-scum spammers get your email address from can be found at the address below: http://www.cdt.org/speech/spam/030319spamreport.shtml Or, the PDF here: http://www.cdt.org/speech/spam/030319spamreport.pdf I hope you find this useful in protecting your addresses in the future. >Skor Grimm< > --> RV-List message posted by: "Austin" <6430@axion.net> > > Listers, > I am getting so much spam each day that I wondered if my address was being > picked up by the RV list somehow, but I really don't think that is the case > since Matt has good filters in place. > I use "block sender" feature on Outlook, but it doesn't do much, also the > senders are wise enough to change their address by one number everytime they > spam out again. > If my friends saw my incoming titles they would surely think I was a pervert > for sure due to the outrageous crap I am getting...about 8 or more each > day...I am close to taking a hammer to my screen....I hardly browse the net > except for recent real estate sites so I don't know where they are catching > my address. > Any suggestions ? > Austin > do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:21 AM PST US From: Garry LeGare Subject: Re: RV-List: Eyeball cable bulkhead - new style --> RV-List message posted by: Garry LeGare Bill, Thank you for your astute observation. I should have mentioned that the hole size in the cover piece is the size of a small extension cord, not the large hole size as in the eyeball type. If necessary a person could fabricate a aluminum or stainless disc to cover the rubber by using a hole saw, and put the $69. in their pocket. Casper Bill Dube wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube > > At 02:48 PM 4/23/2003, you wrote: > >--> RV-List message posted by: Garry LeGare > > > >Hi Guys, > >You can save a bunch of money by going to a good hardware store or electrical > >supply store and buying an waterproof connector for threaded electrical > >conduit. > > > >They look almost exactly like the new connectors (single hole) that ASAS > >sells, > >except that the Aluminum ball is rubber instead. I found them after > >installing > >three of the old style (multi hole) units on my engine controls. I used > >them on > >my wire penetrations. They are about $3. each and come in different sizes, > >starting with a 1/2". > > Rubber is not very useful in the case of an engine fire. That is > why folks spend the extra money on the all-metal ones. > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:45 AM PST US From: Garry LeGare Subject: Re: RV-List: Eyeball cable bulkhead - new style --> RV-List message posted by: Garry LeGare Bill, Also thanks for pointing out the benefits of metal verses rubber in case of engine fire. Casper Bill Dube wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube > > At 02:48 PM 4/23/2003, you wrote: > >--> RV-List message posted by: Garry LeGare > > > >Hi Guys, > >You can save a bunch of money by going to a good hardware store or electrical > >supply store and buying an waterproof connector for threaded electrical > >conduit. > > > >They look almost exactly like the new connectors (single hole) that ASAS > >sells, > >except that the Aluminum ball is rubber instead. I found them after > >installing > >three of the old style (multi hole) units on my engine controls. I used > >them on > >my wire penetrations. They are about $3. each and come in different sizes, > >starting with a 1/2". > > Rubber is not very useful in the case of an engine fire. That is > why folks spend the extra money on the all-metal ones. > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:40 AM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: RE: RV-List: Flying with the Dynon-The Real Deal --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton >--> RV-List message posted by: "Joshua Siler" > >Great report. You mentioned you fly IFR with it - do you have the Dynon >hooked up to a separate bus? Do you have an old style turn coordinator still >in your panel? I know it's doable, but are you comfortable that you could >safely fly in turbulence if the Dynon died IFR? > >I'm definitely want an EFIS in my RV-7, but I'm not sure how much I want to >install in the way of backup in case it dies... > >Regards, > Josh Siler > RV-7A emp > Even if the Dynon was on a separate bus, the unit itself could fail, or the software could crash, just as a vacuum pump or regular gyro could fail. So you need some sort of back up no matter how the Dynon is powered. That back up could be a turn coordinator + enough partial panel practice so you are sure to be able to get back on the ground, or it could be something else (electric peanut gyro?). Kevin Horton ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:49 AM PST US From: "Austin" <6430@axion.net> Subject: RV-List: Digital altimeter --> RV-List message posted by: "Austin" <6430@axion.net> Listers, I have a digital altimeter for sale..$150...I will pay shipping. This unit is battery operated and accurate to 10 feet...(says here in small print)........ I have 2 altimeters..( one for passenger) and rarely look at it..need panel hole for gyro.... Contact me off list... Austin do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:30 AM PST US From: Chris W Subject: Re: RV-List: Spam - filtering --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W I have to chime in again on this topic. Simple filtering of the address, subject, or message content is ineffective at blocking spam. There are more sophisticated techniques to separate spam from wanted email. POPFile was mentioned, it is one of the programs that use this advanced technique. What it does is a statistical analysis of all the words in your email messages. It then has the data it needs to make an accurate determination of what is spam and what is not. The only down side is that you have train it. At first it has no idea what is good and what is bad. So you have to tell it what is spam and what is not. In testing they had 4000 good emails and 4000 spam emails and after using those to train it, only 5 out of every 1000 spam emails got through. And it had no false positives (messages it thought were spam but were not). It may take several hundred emails before it's accuracy is that good. However, with every new message you get it gets more accurate. It is also very biased on the conservative side so as not to flag a good email as spam. If you get 10 or more messages a day it won't be long before spam showing up in your inbox will be a rare occasion. Here is a link to several software packages that implement this type of statistical analyses of email messages. http://www.paulgraham.com/filters.html If you are interested in the specifics of the algorithm you can read about that here. http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html -- Chris Woodhouse 3147 SW 127th St. Oklahoma City, OK 73170 405-691-5206 chrisw@programmer.net N35 20.492' W97 34.342' "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:53 AM PST US From: Larry Bowen Subject: Re: RV-List: Spam - filtering --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Bowen Anyone have a favorite server-side filtering software? I check my mail from multiple places, so a client-side app would be cumbersome. I was considering Spam Assasin, but haven't tried it yet. -LB http://BowenAero.com do not archive --- Chris W wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W > > I have to chime in again on this topic. Simple filtering of the address, > subject, or message content is ineffective at blocking spam. There are more > sophisticated techniques to separate spam from wanted email. POPFile was > mentioned, it is one of the programs that use this advanced technique. What > it does is a statistical analysis of all the words in your email messages. > It then has the data it needs to make an accurate determination of what is > spam and what is not. The only down side is that you have train it. At > first it has no idea what is good and what is bad. So you have to tell it > what is spam and what is not. In testing they had 4000 good emails and 4000 > spam emails and after using those to train it, only 5 out of every 1000 spam > emails got through. And it had no false positives (messages it thought were > spam but were not). It may take several hundred emails before it's accuracy > is that good. However, with every new message you get it gets more > accurate. It is also very biased on the conservative side so as not to flag > a good email as spam. If you get 10 or more messages a day it won't be long > before spam showing up in your inbox will be a rare occasion. Here is a > link to several software packages that implement this type of statistical > analyses of email messages. > > http://www.paulgraham.com/filters.html > > If you are interested in the specifics of the algorithm you can read about > that here. > > http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html > > > -- > Chris Woodhouse > 3147 SW 127th St. > Oklahoma City, OK 73170 > 405-691-5206 > chrisw@programmer.net > N35 20.492' > W97 34.342' > > "They that can give up essential liberty > to obtain a little temporary safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania > > > > > > > > > > http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:39 AM PST US From: Dwight Frye Subject: Re: RV-List: Spam - filtering --> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye Larry, I am using SpamAssassin and love it. I combine it with a Procmail recipe which filters spam into its own folder that I can look at if I wish. I could filter it to /dev/null instead but now that it is not cluttering my main mailbox (and getting in the way of mail I _want_ to recieve) I find it kind of funny to look through the mess that gets sent from time to time. I also like looking at how SA tags the messages and reports how/why it decided a particular mail was spam. As a note, I'm running this on a personal Linux-based mail server. That being said, I think SA is available for a large variety of platforms. I give it a "thumbs up". :) -- Dwight do not archive On Thu Apr 24 13:02:16 2003, Larry Bowen wrote : > >--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Bowen > >Anyone have a favorite server-side filtering software? I check my mail from >multiple places, so a client-side app would be cumbersome. I was considering >Spam Assasin, but haven't tried it yet. > >-LB >http://BowenAero.com >do not archive > > >--- Chris W wrote: >> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W >> >> I have to chime in again on this topic. Simple filtering of the address, >> subject, or message content is ineffective at blocking spam. There are more >> sophisticated techniques to separate spam from wanted email. POPFile was >> mentioned, it is one of the programs that use this advanced technique. What >> it does is a statistical analysis of all the words in your email messages. >> It then has the data it needs to make an accurate determination of what is >> spam and what is not. The only down side is that you have train it. At >> first it has no idea what is good and what is bad. So you have to tell it >> what is spam and what is not. In testing they had 4000 good emails and 4000 >> spam emails and after using those to train it, only 5 out of every 1000 spam >> emails got through. And it had no false positives (messages it thought were >> spam but were not). It may take several hundred emails before it's accuracy >> is that good. However, with every new message you get it gets more >> accurate. It is also very biased on the conservative side so as not to flag >> a good email as spam. If you get 10 or more messages a day it won't be long >> before spam showing up in your inbox will be a rare occasion. Here is a >> link to several software packages that implement this type of statistical >> analyses of email messages. >> >> http://www.paulgraham.com/filters.html >> >> If you are interested in the specifics of the algorithm you can read about >> that here. >> >> http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html >> >> >> -- >> Chris Woodhouse >> 3147 SW 127th St. >> Oklahoma City, OK 73170 >> 405-691-5206 >> chrisw@programmer.net >> N35 20.492' >> W97 34.342' >> >> "They that can give up essential liberty >> to obtain a little temporary safety >> deserve neither liberty nor safety." >> -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >http://search.yahoo.com > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:03 PM PST US From: "Brad Benson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Spam - filtering --> RV-List message posted by: "Brad Benson" Dwight/Larry,. I strongly second the recommendation for SpamAssassin - I'm using it on OpenBSD 3.2. It also has a bayesian statistical database for "learning" what is and is not spam. In conjunction with basic spam prevention techniques for sendmail (not accepting mail from domains that do not exist, not accepting mail from servers with no reverse name lookup, etc.) I get very little spam. You can find SpamAssassin at http://www.spamassassin.org. Thanks! Brad "Sharpie" Benson RV6AQB underway... "Please buy my software, it's funding my RV6A project!" - http://www.notamd.com do not archive *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/24/2003 at 2:04 PM Dwight Frye wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye > >Larry, > >I am using SpamAssassin and love it. I combine it with a Procmail >recipe which filters spam into its own folder that I can look at >if I wish. I could filter it to /dev/null instead but now that it >is not cluttering my main mailbox (and getting in the way of mail >I _want_ to recieve) I find it kind of funny to look through the >mess that gets sent from time to time. I also like looking at how SA >tags the messages and reports how/why it decided a particular mail >was spam. > >As a note, I'm running this on a personal Linux-based mail server. >That being said, I think SA is available for a large variety of >platforms. I give it a "thumbs up". :) > > -- Dwight > >do not archive > >On Thu Apr 24 13:02:16 2003, Larry Bowen wrote : >> >>--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Bowen >> >>Anyone have a favorite server-side filtering software? I check my mail >from >>multiple places, so a client-side app would be cumbersome. I was >considering >>Spam Assasin, but haven't tried it yet. >> >>-LB >>http://BowenAero.com >>do not archive >> >> >>--- Chris W wrote: >>> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W >>> >>> I have to chime in again on this topic. Simple filtering of the >address, >>> subject, or message content is ineffective at blocking spam. There are >more >>> sophisticated techniques to separate spam from wanted email. POPFile >was >>> mentioned, it is one of the programs that use this advanced technique. >What >>> it does is a statistical analysis of all the words in your email >messages. >>> It then has the data it needs to make an accurate determination of what >is >>> spam and what is not. The only down side is that you have train it. At >>> first it has no idea what is good and what is bad. So you have to tell >it >>> what is spam and what is not. In testing they had 4000 good emails and >4000 >>> spam emails and after using those to train it, only 5 out of every 1000 >spam >>> emails got through. And it had no false positives (messages it thought >were >>> spam but were not). It may take several hundred emails before it's >accuracy >>> is that good. However, with every new message you get it gets more >>> accurate. It is also very biased on the conservative side so as not to >flag >>> a good email as spam. If you get 10 or more messages a day it won't be >long >>> before spam showing up in your inbox will be a rare occasion. Here is a >>> link to several software packages that implement this type of >statistical >>> analyses of email messages. >>> >>> http://www.paulgraham.com/filters.html >>> >>> If you are interested in the specifics of the algorithm you can read >about >>> that here. >>> >>> http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Woodhouse >>> 3147 SW 127th St. >>> Oklahoma City, OK 73170 >>> 405-691-5206 >>> chrisw@programmer.net >>> N35 20.492' >>> W97 34.342' >>> >>> "They that can give up essential liberty >>> to obtain a little temporary safety >>> deserve neither liberty nor safety." >>> -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>http://search.yahoo.com >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:27 PM PST US From: WPAerial@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List:email client? --> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com what and where is my e mail client? jerry wilken do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:34 PM PST US From: "Bill VonDane" "vansairforce" Subject: RV-List: using a handheld as a second radio... --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" Hi all... I have read through the archives and haven't really found the answers... I want to integrate a handheld radio as a second radio to an SL40, and I want a stereo intercom with music inputs... I also want the handheld to work in the case of a total electrical failure.....WITHOUT having to unplug the headset and move it to different jacks... Any ideas? I have not bough the handheld or intercom yet, so I can get whichever would be the best choice... Thanks in advance! -Bill VonDane RV-8A ~ N8WV www.vondane.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:38 PM PST US From: "Bill VonDane" "vansairforce" Subject: RV-List: Electronic Tach Wiring --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" Stupid question number 5,690... What's the best way to wire an electronic tach into a systems that has both a mag and an electronic ignition? -Bill VonDane RV-8A ~ N8WV www.vondane.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:43 PM PST US From: "Bill VonDane" "vansairforce" Subject: RV-List: GPS 196 and Comant antenna --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" Stupid question number 5,691... Anyone using a Comant externl GPS antenna with the Garmin GPS196? If so, which one? -Bill VonDane RV-8A ~ N8WV www.vondane.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:46 PM PST US From: "GW" Subject: Re: RV-List:email client? --> RV-List message posted by: "GW" Usually it is Outlook Express but you may have installed something loke Incredimail, An email client is the program that you use to send and recieve email. They are simple programs as the concept and execution of email is very simple. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List:email client? > --> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com > > what and where is my e mail client? > > jerry wilken > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:53 PM PST US From: emrath Subject: RV-List: Rudder mounting --> RV-List message posted by: emrath The instructions, Section 15, of my RV-6A manual state the Rudder is to be mounted and stops put on the fuselage so that there is 35 degree movement from side to side. Can someone tell me how to measure this movement? It seems a template cut to fit the side of the VS and Rudder modified to make a 35 degree swing out is in order. However, the swing point is either the center line of the VS and so the fuselage, or it is the forward side edge of the rudder. Can anyone (and everyone) explain how they did this? Marty in Brentwood TN, Having fun putting the big pieces together. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:58 PM PST US From: "Bill VonDane" "vansairforce" Subject: RV-List: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" Thanks Joel... I think I need to be more specific... I want to know how to wire it all up so that if you have the mag off, or the EI off, you still get a tach reading. On my 8A with an EIS, I have a toggle on the panel that lets me switch between the mags for the tach reading so I can see the rpms on either mag while I am doing the mag checks... Know what I mean? -Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Joel Harding Subject: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring Hi Bill, The control module for the Lightspeed Electronic Ignition has an output for an electronic tach, and my E. I. tach was modified to accept the square wave signal which it produces. I would think that would be the most accurate readout. Joel Harding On Thursday, April 24, 2003, at 03:22 PM, Bill VonDane wrote: > Stupid question number 5,690... > > What's the best way to wire an electronic tach into a systems that has > both > a mag and an electronic ignition? > > -Bill VonDane > RV-8A ~ N8WV > www.vondane.com > > do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:44 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: using a handheld as a second radio... --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" > >Hi all... > >I have read through the archives and haven't really found the answers... > >I want to integrate a handheld radio as a second radio to an SL40, and I >want a stereo intercom with music inputs... > >I also want the handheld to work in the case of a total electrical >failure.....WITHOUT having to unplug the headset and move it to different >jacks... Any ideas? > >I have not bough the handheld or intercom yet, so I can get whichever would >be the best choice... > >Thanks in advance! > >-Bill VonDane >RV-8A ~ N8WV >www.vondane.com Bill, Many audio panels have an emergency mode where they bypass the audio panel and connect the headset directly to Com 1. Some (all?) of these audio panels are in the emergency mode if there is no power to the audio panel. So, if you lost power, and if the audio panel was wired so the handheld was Com 1, you would get the functionality you are looking for. Try the PS Engineering series. My PS Engineering PMA 4000 does want you want, except it is a mono intercom. Can you tell the difference between stereo and mono when the engine is running? I'm no audiophile, but I figured mono was good enough in a high noise environment. Kevin Horton ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:45 PM PST US From: "Paul Besing" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" How about a splitter between the sender wires to make it one wire into your EIS? Whichever one is sending the signal will flow down the line. I do know that this won't work with the RMI uMonitor, though. The pulse rates are different and the unit can't separate the different pulses. In other words, you have to set up the unit for one type of pulse or another. Paul Besing RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10) http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing Kitlog Builder's Log Software http://www.kitlog.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill VonDane" Subject: RV-List: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" > > Thanks Joel... > > I think I need to be more specific... I want to know how to wire it all up so that if you have the mag off, or the EI off, you still get a tach reading. On my 8A with an EIS, I have a toggle on the panel that lets me switch between the mags for the tach reading so I can see the rpms on either mag while I am doing the mag checks... Know what I mean? > > -Bill > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joel Harding > To: rv8list@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring > > > Hi Bill, > The control module for the Lightspeed Electronic Ignition has an output > for an electronic tach, and my E. I. tach was modified to accept the > square wave signal which it produces. I would think that would be the > most accurate readout. > > Joel Harding > On Thursday, April 24, 2003, at 03:22 PM, Bill VonDane wrote: > > > Stupid question number 5,690... > > > > What's the best way to wire an electronic tach into a systems that has > > both > > a mag and an electronic ignition? > > > > -Bill VonDane > > RV-8A ~ N8WV > > www.vondane.com > > > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:50 PM PST US From: WPAerial@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: using a handheld as a se stereo --> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com first thing one of my passagers said when i truned on music from a portable cd player was stereo jerry wilken ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:24 PM PST US From: "Jim Sears" Subject: Re: RV-List: Rudder mounting --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Sears" > The instructions, Section 15, of my RV-6A manual state the Rudder is to be > mounted and stops put on the fuselage so that there is 35 degree movement > from side to side. Can someone tell me how to measure this movement? It > seems a template cut to fit the side of the VS and Rudder modified to make a > 35 degree swing out is in order. However, the swing point is either the > center line of the VS and so the fuselage, or it is the forward side edge of > the rudder. Can anyone (and everyone) explain how they did this? > I really don't think it has to be super accurate. I does have to be set up so that it doesn't bang the elevators. That's what I keyed on more than anything else. Your rudder pedal clearances may also limit what you can do. I used a protractor and got it fairly close with that. Mine works just fine. Jim Sears in KY RV-6A N198JS EAA Tech Counselor ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:11 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Rudder mounting --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" An easy way it to wait until the horizontal stab and elevator are mounted, because the elevator is really what will limit the rudder travel. I set mine using the specified angle, and it gets within a quarter inch of the elevators. Alex Peterson Maple Grove, MN RV6-A N66AP 292 hours www.rvforum.org www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson > The instructions, Section 15, of my RV-6A manual state the > Rudder is to be mounted and stops put on the fuselage so that > there is 35 degree movement > from side to side. Can someone tell me how to measure this > movement? It > seems a template cut to fit the side of the VS and Rudder > modified to make a 35 degree swing out is in order. However, > the swing point is either the center line of the VS and so > the fuselage, or it is the forward side edge of the rudder. > Can anyone (and everyone) explain how they did this? > > Marty in Brentwood TN, Having fun putting the big pieces together. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:17 PM PST US From: "J. R. Dial" Subject: RV-List: Becker Com --> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" I am using a Becker Com AR 4201 and it has a built in intercom. Has anybody used this setup and are you satisfied with the intercom function? I know the radio works great I just have not talked to anyone that has used the intercom function. DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:25 PM PST US From: "Phil Birkelbach" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" Bill, I don't know if this will work or not but try using a SPDT relay with the coil powered by the same wire that powers the EI. Wire the common to the EIS, the NO contact to the EI and the NC contact to the MAG. If you turn off the EI then the relay deenergizes connecting the MAG to the EIS. This all assumes that the EIS can read either signal on the same input without having to be recalibrated. Let me know if it works because I may do something similar. I had another option in mind as well for my Lightspeed Plasma II Plus w/ EIS engine monitor. The LPII+ has a mV signal RPM output that I considered hooking to one of the aux inputs on the EIS. Hook the actual pulse activated RPM input up to the MAG. Then I'd create a custom "run-up" screen that would display both the 'normal' MAG readout and the mV RPM readout of the Plasma II+ as well as any other data that I wanted to show during the run up. I like the relay idea better if it would work. Godspeed, Phil Birkelbach http://www.myrv7.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill VonDane" Subject: RV-List: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" > > Thanks Joel... > > I think I need to be more specific... I want to know how to wire it all up so that if you have the mag off, or the EI off, you still get a tach reading. On my 8A with an EIS, I have a toggle on the panel that lets me switch between the mags for the tach reading so I can see the rpms on either mag while I am doing the mag checks... Know what I mean? > > -Bill > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joel Harding > To: rv8list@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring > > > Hi Bill, > The control module for the Lightspeed Electronic Ignition has an output > for an electronic tach, and my E. I. tach was modified to accept the > square wave signal which it produces. I would think that would be the > most accurate readout. > > Joel Harding > On Thursday, April 24, 2003, at 03:22 PM, Bill VonDane wrote: > > > Stupid question number 5,690... > > > > What's the best way to wire an electronic tach into a systems that has > > both > > a mag and an electronic ignition? > > > > -Bill VonDane > > RV-8A ~ N8WV > > www.vondane.com > > > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:19 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RE: RV-List: EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ... --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" After writing the email below to this list, I felt obliged to send a copy to Grand Rapids. Just in case I was in error etc. Although they are "heads down" at the moment, Greg got back to me a day or two later with the response below. This is not to try and "promote" Grand Rapids (even though I am considering one). It is simply to share info to the list in an effort to clear up what was a bit of speculation. I also intentionally waited a few days before deciding to send this. Hope it helps somebody. James ============================================================================ ====== Hi James Thanks. I think your response was excellent, and very accurate. I don''t usually read those lists, so if you want to post this response, or a portion of i, that is OK with me. I don't want to use the list as a place to advertise, or say bad things about others. We are using CE.NET. We evaluated many operating systems, and have been very happy with our choice. To date, we have not had a single lockup due to any operating system problem, and the system is running 24 hours a day (we leave it running a simulation when we are not developing with it). The operating system is specifically intended for embedded systems. Like you, I don't consider the operating system the weakest link. Its actually hard to identify a potential weak link at this time, as it seems to me that there are no engineering risk items remaining. There are lots of details that add the a systems robustness, including techniques for being able to tolerate EMI (radio interference), consideration of fault tolerance and failure modes, tolerance of unusal inputs, self-testing coverage, software reliability, etc. that are much more likely to cause problems if not addressed, than the operating system, especially one that is running a single program under very controlled circumstances. You are correct that our system uses a dedicated processor for the AHRS/AIr Data calculations, and this has no operating system. This required much more engineering time, but is clearly required to meet the integrity needs for this data. The AHRS has extensive built-in test functions, including many that run continuously. These tests validate the memory, a/d converter, sensors, include condensation detection, etc, exactly as would be done if this system was produced by Boeing (after all, that is my background). Thanks again for your support. Greg Toman Grand Rapids Technologies, Inc. 616 583-8000 www.grtavionics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James E. Clark > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 2:00 PM > To: Rv-List@Matronics.Com > Subject: RV-List: EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ... > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" > > There have been several posts about EFIS, GRT and Windows > along with > whether GRT uses MS WIndows and if so whether this is a good idea. > > First, I am considering using the "Horizon" from GRT. > > **My** concern is far less about whether they have a version of Windows > somewhere in it and more about their ability to engineer and > deliver a high > quality, functional system in the time-frame they are working. > There are far > greater gremlins waiting along the road ahead. Let's hope they can conquer > them in a timely fashion. > > Now, a few comments from a different perspective ... > > First, as I recall my conversation with Greg at GRTand from looking at the > current instantiation of the system, there are two (actually three) > components to consider: > > 1. The actual AHRS and/or engine monitoring "subsystems" and > 2. The display "subsytem". > > Their engine monitoring "subsystem" has been around for a long time and is > not MS Windows based. The data it collects will get displayed in > a "pretty" > fashion so to speak. > > Their upcoming AHRS/air data computer "subsystem" uses their own > "proprietary/written inhouse" (I think) code and is not MS Windows. They > reportedly spent quite a bit of time over the last year or so working > specifically on this. It too will spew forth data that is to be > presented in > "pretty" fashion for us to use as we fly along. > > The **DISPLAY** subsystem uses (as I recall) a slimmed-down version of > Windows (probably Win-embedded). This subsystem will display the data from > the subsystems above *and* take in GPS sentences and display info about > where we are and where we are headed. It will have some database > info stored > locally as well (airports, airspaces etc.). > > It would not be appropriate to compare the experiences we have on out PCs > with that we might expect in a system like what is being built. > > The problem is not all Windows ... it is one of complexity (due to nearly > unlimited options for the PC). Once you "close off" the system to nothing > but known components and use a version of "Windows" that is "fit for > purpose", you can actually achieve reliability and stability far > beyond what > the average Windows user is likely to expect. > > Probably the best consumer demonstation of this is your local ATM. Counts > out the cash reliably day after day in rain, snow (cold), sleet, hail or > sunshine (hot). Not saying they NEVER fail but the MTBF is pretty high. > > It is great to see people like ControlVision (AnyWhereMap), Blue Mountain > and Dynon push the envelope for us. Each has had teething pains (if it was > so easy someone would done it a long time ago). Now GRT joins the > fray with > yet another offering to help us get there safely. Let's wish them > and their > approach the best. > > I am hopeful that GRT (as those mentioned above have begun to) will also > deliver. > > James > > Do Not Archive > > > . > > "If you don't make dust, you eat dust" > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:31 PM PST US From: "Rob W M Shipley" Subject: RV-List: Yaesu. --> RV-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" From: "C J Heitman" wrote ......... I had this same experience when I tried using the handheld's PTT switch with a headset plugged in. After calling Yaesu I discovered that you can't use the PTT on the handheld unit when using the headset adapter. You must use an external PTT switch in series with the headset adapter. My instruction book did not address this issue. My Yaesu works fine without the headset adapter. (I have not yet purchased the separate external PTT switch.) The necessary external PTT switch is available from Sporty's, Aircraft Spruce and most other similar suppliers. in reply to my Original Message "I've had this Yaesu handheld navcom for about three years as a backup and (fortunately) had little occasion to use it to transmit. A couple of weeks ago whilst providing ground support to a gliding friend I attempted to use this radio. Receive is fine but Xmit produces a loud 'scream' on any radio on the frequency. This was tested with three different antennas on the Yaesu and three different receiving radios. Does anyone on the list have a similar experience with these radios and what are suggested solutions? Return to Yaesu?" Well sad to say I didn't have the headset adaptor attached so no easy fix there. Oh well. I got the Yaesu as a birthday present from my beloved and I'm beginning to feel very gloomy about the prospects of resolving the Xmit problem from the input I've received from the listers. I'll try the fresh alkalines over the weekend if I can and then talk to Marv Goldman from whom it was purchased then perhaps Yaesu. I'll post the list with the results as and when I get any. Thanks guys. Rob Rob W M Shipley RV9A N919RV Fuselage. ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:38 PM PST US From: "Ed Holyoke" Subject: RE: RV-List: Rudder mounting --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" Marty, I taped a string and plumb bob to the trailing edge of my rudder and snapped a center line under the airplane. I plumbed down from the hinge point and laid out the 35 degrees each way with a protractor on the floor. Then I moved the rudder 'til the plumb bob was over that line, clamped the rudder in place, and fabricated the rudder stop to fit. Did the same on the other side of the airplane. Have fun with it, Ed Holyoke 6qb > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of emrath > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 4:59 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Rudder mounting > > --> RV-List message posted by: emrath > > The instructions, Section 15, of my RV-6A manual state the Rudder is to be > mounted and stops put on the fuselage so that there is 35 degree movement > from side to side. Can someone tell me how to measure this movement? It > seems a template cut to fit the side of the VS and Rudder modified to make > a > 35 degree swing out is in order. However, the swing point is either the > center line of the VS and so the fuselage, or it is the forward side edge > of > the rudder. Can anyone (and everyone) explain how they did this? > > Marty in Brentwood TN, Having fun putting the big pieces together. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:07 PM PST US From: "Meketa" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Hello (long as hell) --> RV-List message posted by: "Meketa" Hello Yall I fit into the poor civilian with dreams of flying category. I was, and still am, an auto mechanic that loves hot rods and always had a dream of flying. I was hooked when I got a free, so I thought at the time, ride in a customers Longeze. Holy S###, you can build your own plane and do all the maintenance yourself. Have to find out more about this, sounds like the thing for me. I joke that it was the worst, and best, thing that ever happened to me. After the EZ ride I went with a friend to Oshkosh and subscribed to Kitplane magazine. Initial thoughts were to build a Kiss Cruiser with a Subaru engine. After a lot of looking I got smart and set sights on an RV6 with a Lycoming. That was the plane for me. After a couple of years I had the funds saved up for an RV6 kit but had no pilots certificate. In fact I had only a few hours as a passenger and was not sure if I would really like flying. Would it be a fad? The decision was made, actually a spur of the moment thing, to purchase a Cessna 140 and find out all about this fying stuff. I had no time in the log book. Did not even have one yet. Did not even have an instructor. Hours were spent researching, reading and talking to the guys at the airport. I learned to work on it, got advice and a look over the shoulder with the things I could not legally do myself and traded auto mechanical work for flight instruction at the small grass strip that it was based. Looking back at the way the other older and wiser guys took me under wing almost puts tears to my eyes. I was just a young guy with no experience and these guys were just the greatest. Never a word of discouragement. Just friendship and good advice. I felt like one of the gang, and was. I finally got my licence and we flew all over the country in the 140. Had a lot of good learning experience with the plane. Three times to Oshkosh. Once from San Antonio to Oshkosh in one day, with my wife. That was the year I saw the 8. This was the plane for me. I would tell the guys at the airport and mention when talking to RVers that I was going to build an 8. . Never a down word from the my airport friends, but boy there were more than a few negative remarks from the RVers. I finally bought my tail kit in 1999 and the quickbuild in 2000. I made the decision to build the plane with everything I wanted and to just work harder to find a way to afford it. In January 2002 RV #80984 made her first flight with me at the controls. Transition training with Mike, unusual attitude training in a Decathalon, 600+ hours in the Cessna 140 and some time in a friends 182 to get used to the constant speed prop and having to plan before getting to the airport for landing gave me enough realistic confidence to make the flight. The plane is just a wonder to fly, in fact I do not have the skills to put the plane into words. I just broke the 300 hour mark and can not wait to get strapped in for the next flight. This is not to show what I have done , but what can be done. If you really want to fly you can find a way. If you want a flying job you can find a way. Joining the military is not the only way and not for everyone. If you want to build a plane you can find a way. Eat Top Ramen for lunch, wear out your clothes, drive an old car, work harder to earn the money needed. Just make the goal and do whatever it takes to reach it. This is not for everyone. Make sure it is what you want. If it is get going and never look back. Do not chase your dream, pursue it and achieve it. Many of us RV aviators should think before commenting. Yes, there are many more unrealistic dreamers than there are people who actually acquire their dreams. But remember, the next dreamer you talk to may be the one that will really do it. Encouragement is not always neccessary, but smart ass remarks have no place. Sometimes it is better to just keep quiet. Sorry this is so long. I just took it a little personally. George Meketa RV8, N444TX, 300.4 hours P.S. Jerry, do not waste your time with this guy, he will never get it. You and me may not agree about buttons on the stick, but we agree on this one. -------------------- actually the plane went unmaintained for 4 years and all that little stuff grew into big stuff. The little MX that was done was half ass and made changing plugs, the kind of job that made you see red. Such as having to remove the jug to get the threads machined because the bonehead that put them in cross threaded them. > > > > Skin damage, wing leveler install, complete re wire, new panel, new brakes from pedal to rotor and you can see the 5 hour per flying hour MX. > > > > By the way I am a program manager for AWACS and have/or are managing over $120M. My resources are PhDs, scientist, cost, budget analyst, maintainers, pilots and some of the smartest guys at Boeing, Rockwell, Collins, NG, Litton, Rayethon etc... I have a decent understanding of flying cost and schedules to build things. > > > > My numbers are not misleading other than if anything low. My time is worth more than $50-75 because I simply don't have enough time in the day to do my job and save your tax money. My error can cost you millions. Divide that out Jerry. Lets say I go home early for a week to work on my plane and neglect my job and the $3M I could have saved you in taxes gets by me. What is my time an hour then? I think dedicated is the word, The word ridiculous is more fitting for chase your dream advice that seems to spout from some readers. > > > > I think my words are too curt for many and that is not a good enough reason to dismiss them. It may surprise you that 3 people are writing me to get more information than "don't listen to the captain and chase your dream" crap some people have replied. Seems sad that is all they have to offer. "Chase your dream." Almost comical... Just think if the kid finishes college and flies for the military. What are his professional chances then? Excellent. Would he have disposable income and resources to own multiple AC? Yes. > > > > Or, he could simply chase his dream... I'm sure you guys could pep him up if he needed it. > > > > Brock