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1. 01:11 AM - For Sale (JerryB)
2. 01:36 AM - For Sale (Jerry B)
3. 05:12 AM - Re: EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ... (Miller Robert)
4. 05:29 AM - Re: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring (Bill VonDane)
5. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: Hello (long as hell) (Sam Buchanan)
6. 06:30 AM - Re: EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ... (Ken Simmons)
7. 06:31 AM - Re: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring (Greg Young)
8. 06:43 AM - Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring (Andy Karmy)
9. 06:45 AM - Re: Re: Hello (long as hell) (Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO)
10. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: Hello (long as hell) (Glenn Brasch)
11. 07:35 AM - Re: GPS antenna (Bill VonDane)
12. 08:07 AM - Re: EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ... (Phil Birkelbach)
13. 09:05 AM - Re: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring (Dan Checkoway)
14. 09:12 AM - Re: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach (Ken Balch)
15. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring (Bill VonDane)
16. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring (Konrad Werner)
17. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring (Dan Checkoway)
18. 10:24 AM - Need help, but waaaaaay off subject! (HCRV6@aol.com)
19. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: Hello (long as hell) (Bartrim, Todd)
20. 10:28 AM - Electronic Tach Wiring (Charles Brame)
21. 10:45 AM - Re: Need help, but waaaaaay off subject! (=?us-ascii?Q?=3ESkor_Grimm=3C?=)
22. 10:48 AM - Re: EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ... (Scott.Fink@microchip.com)
23. 10:54 AM - Re: Need help, but waaaaaay off subject! (Brian Denk)
24. 12:00 PM - Re: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring (Phil Birkelbach)
25. 12:07 PM - Re: RV Related Items for Sale (Steven B. Janicki)
26. 12:15 PM - Re: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach (Ken Balch)
27. 12:55 PM - Parting concern... (Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO)
28. 12:56 PM - Fw: Rebel's Bluff Fly-In is a GO! (Morocketman@aol.com)
29. 01:24 PM - New Subaru Charts/Graphs (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
30. 01:46 PM - Re: Parting concern... (Glenn Brasch)
31. 04:05 PM - N224WR Flies! (Wesley Robinson)
32. 07:00 PM - Flyin breakfast @ KHVC (Bobby Hester)
33. 07:18 PM - Re: Parting concern...(rant, delete if you really don't care) (rv6tc)
34. 07:33 PM - Re: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach (Kevin Horton)
35. 07:48 PM - From The Ground Up (David Taylor)
36. 09:04 PM - Re: Electronic Tach Wiring (Vanremog@aol.com)
37. 09:37 PM - Re: EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ... (James E. Clark)
38. 09:52 PM - Re: Parting concern... (James E. Clark)
39. 11:29 PM - Re: Parting concern... (Meketa)
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--> RV-List message posted by: JerryB <JERRYB69@CHARTER.NET>
I have the following items for sale.
I thought I'd post to RVers before posting
on Ebay.
1) Electric Gyro Corp. Turn Coodinator model 1394T100-7z
$150
2) 14 volt marker beacon receiver (I think it's a Narco)
$50
3) Flightcom 403 panel mount intercom $100
4) Bendix/King KA 134 Audio Panel(no socket or tray) $200
5) R. C. Allen DG, model RC11A-15 $300
6) ControlVision(including Casio Cassiopeia pocket PC,SW and Garmin GPS)
$500
7) Garmin 195 handheld GPS with all assessories.
$500
All items sold "as is". Everything was working when upgrades were
installed in my RV6. Buyer pays postage and insurnance. Certified
check or postal money order only.
I can be reached at 740 446 3355 in the evening after 8:00 PM EDT
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry B" <JERRYB69@CHARTER.NET>
I have the following items for sale.
I thought I'd post to RVers before posting
on Ebay.
1) Electric Gyro Corp. Turn Coordinator model 1394T100-7z
$150
2) 14 volt marker beacon receiver (I think it's a Narco)
$50
3) Flightcom 403 panel mount intercom
$100
4) Bendix/King KA 134 Audio Panel(no socket or tray)
$200
5) R. C. Allen DG, model RC11A-15
$300
6) ControlVision(inclu Casio Cassiopeia pocket PC,SW and Garmin GPS)
$500
7) Garmin 195 handheld GPS with all accessories.
$500
All items sold "as is". Everything was working when upgrades were
installed in my RV6. Buyer pays postage and insurance. Certified
check or postal money order only.
I can be reached at 740 446 3355 in the evening after 8:00 PM EDT
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
I also had a couple of e-mail exchanges with Greg on this topic. He was most
responsive, informative, and generous of his time in replying.
The EFIS does indeed use Windows CE.Net.
I read all the info I could find on Microsoft's site on this.
I have no personal experience with this version of the OS, and so have no clear
opinion (one way or the other) about its reliability.
It is a version of Windows. Microsoft's site tells us that it is. They call
it Windows CE.Net, not CE.Net. So just saying CE.Net is not to be construed as
suggesting there is no connection with Windows OS's.
It's important, though, that this is an imbedded system.... specifically
written to be imbedded in hardware devices. To what degree this makes the OS
more reliable than the desktop versions of Windows we use, I personally do not
know. But I would guess, at least somewhat more reliable.
Is there someone on the list who could comment more expertly on this? Are we
looking at orders of magnitude more reliable and stable than desktop Windows
OS's here?
I too am interested in considering this EFIS.... but I will need to get
comfortable with this question.
Robert
"James E. Clark" wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
>
> After writing the email below to this list, I felt obliged to send a copy to
> Grand Rapids. Just in case I was in error etc.
>
> Although they are "heads down" at the moment, Greg got back to me a day or
> two later with the response below.
>
> This is not to try and "promote" Grand Rapids (even though I am considering
> one). It is simply to share info to the list in an effort to clear up what
> was a bit of speculation. I also intentionally waited a few days before
> deciding to send this.
>
> Hope it helps somebody.
>
> James
>
> ============================================================================
> ======
>
> Hi James
>
> Thanks. I think your response was excellent, and very accurate. I don''t
> usually read those lists, so if you want to post this response, or a portion
> of i, that is OK with me. I don't want to use the list as a place to
> advertise, or say bad things about others.
>
> We are using CE.NET. We evaluated many operating systems, and have been very
> happy with our choice. To date, we have not had a single lockup due to any
> operating system problem, and the system is running 24 hours a day (we leave
> it running a simulation when we are not developing with it). The operating
> system is specifically intended for embedded systems.
>
> Like you, I don't consider the operating system the weakest link. Its
> actually hard to identify a potential weak link at this time, as it seems to
> me that there are no engineering risk items remaining.
>
> There are lots of details that add the a systems robustness, including
> techniques for being able to tolerate EMI (radio interference),
> consideration of fault tolerance and failure modes, tolerance of unusal
> inputs, self-testing coverage, software reliability, etc. that are much more
> likely to cause problems if not addressed, than the operating system,
> especially one that is running a single program under very controlled
> circumstances.
>
> You are correct that our system uses a dedicated processor for the AHRS/AIr
> Data calculations, and this has no operating system. This required much more
> engineering time, but is clearly required to meet the integrity needs for
> this data. The AHRS has extensive built-in test functions, including many
> that run continuously. These tests validate the memory, a/d converter,
> sensors, include condensation detection, etc, exactly as would be done if
> this system was produced by Boeing (after all, that is my background).
>
> Thanks again for your support.
>
> Greg Toman
> Grand Rapids Technologies, Inc.
> 616 583-8000
> www.grtavionics.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James E. Clark
> > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 2:00 PM
> > To: Rv-List@Matronics.Com
> > Subject: RV-List: EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ...
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
> >
> > There have been several posts about EFIS, GRT and Windows
> > along with
> > whether GRT uses MS WIndows and if so whether this is a good idea.
> >
> > First, I am considering using the "Horizon" from GRT.
> >
> > **My** concern is far less about whether they have a version of Windows
> > somewhere in it and more about their ability to engineer and
> > deliver a high
> > quality, functional system in the time-frame they are working.
> > There are far
> > greater gremlins waiting along the road ahead. Let's hope they can conquer
> > them in a timely fashion.
> >
> > Now, a few comments from a different perspective ...
> >
> > First, as I recall my conversation with Greg at GRTand from looking at the
> > current instantiation of the system, there are two (actually three)
> > components to consider:
> >
> > 1. The actual AHRS and/or engine monitoring "subsystems" and
> > 2. The display "subsytem".
> >
> > Their engine monitoring "subsystem" has been around for a long time and is
> > not MS Windows based. The data it collects will get displayed in
> > a "pretty"
> > fashion so to speak.
> >
> > Their upcoming AHRS/air data computer "subsystem" uses their own
> > "proprietary/written inhouse" (I think) code and is not MS Windows. They
> > reportedly spent quite a bit of time over the last year or so working
> > specifically on this. It too will spew forth data that is to be
> > presented in
> > "pretty" fashion for us to use as we fly along.
> >
> > The **DISPLAY** subsystem uses (as I recall) a slimmed-down version of
> > Windows (probably Win-embedded). This subsystem will display the data from
> > the subsystems above *and* take in GPS sentences and display info about
> > where we are and where we are headed. It will have some database
> > info stored
> > locally as well (airports, airspaces etc.).
> >
> > It would not be appropriate to compare the experiences we have on out PCs
> > with that we might expect in a system like what is being built.
> >
> > The problem is not all Windows ... it is one of complexity (due to nearly
> > unlimited options for the PC). Once you "close off" the system to nothing
> > but known components and use a version of "Windows" that is "fit for
> > purpose", you can actually achieve reliability and stability far
> > beyond what
> > the average Windows user is likely to expect.
> >
> > Probably the best consumer demonstation of this is your local ATM. Counts
> > out the cash reliably day after day in rain, snow (cold), sleet, hail or
> > sunshine (hot). Not saying they NEVER fail but the MTBF is pretty high.
> >
> > It is great to see people like ControlVision (AnyWhereMap), Blue Mountain
> > and Dynon push the envelope for us. Each has had teething pains (if it was
> > so easy someone would done it a long time ago). Now GRT joins the
> > fray with
> > yet another offering to help us get there safely. Let's wish them
> > and their
> > approach the best.
> >
> > I am hopeful that GRT (as those mentioned above have begun to) will also
> > deliver.
> >
> > James
> >
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> >
> > .
> >
> > "If you don't make dust, you eat dust"
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Ah yes, forgot about the different pulse rates of the two systems... I
guess we'll just go with the mechanical...
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
How about a splitter between the sender wires to make it one wire into your
EIS? Whichever one is sending the signal will flow down the line. I do
know that this won't work with the RMI uMonitor, though. The pulse rates
are different and the unit can't separate the different pulses. In other
words, you have to set up the unit for one type of pulse or another.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10)
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
<vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Thanks Joel...
>
> I think I need to be more specific... I want to know how to wire it all
up so that if you have the mag off, or the EI off, you still get a tach
reading. On my 8A with an EIS, I have a toggle on the panel that lets me
switch between the mags for the tach reading so I can see the rpms on either
mag while I am doing the mag checks... Know what I mean?
>
> -Bill
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joel Harding
> To: rv8list@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring
>
>
> Hi Bill,
> The control module for the Lightspeed Electronic Ignition has an output
> for an electronic tach, and my E. I. tach was modified to accept the
> square wave signal which it produces. I would think that would be the
> most accurate readout.
>
> Joel Harding
> On Thursday, April 24, 2003, at 03:22 PM, Bill VonDane wrote:
>
> > Stupid question number 5,690...
> >
> > What's the best way to wire an electronic tach into a systems that has
> > both
> > a mag and an electronic ignition?
> >
> > -Bill VonDane
> > RV-8A ~ N8WV
> > www.vondane.com
> >
> > do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Hello (long as hell) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Thank you George, for a superb post! No doubt you have inspired numerous
builders.
Sam Buchanan
=======================
Meketa wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Meketa" <acgm@gvtc.com>
>
> Hello Yall
>
> I fit into the poor civilian with dreams of flying category. I was, and
> still am, an auto mechanic that loves hot rods and always had a dream of
> flying. I was hooked when I got a free, so I thought at the time, ride in a
> customers Longeze. Holy S###, you can build your own plane and do all the
> maintenance yourself. Have to find out more about this, sounds like the
> thing for me. I joke that it was the worst, and best, thing that ever
> happened to me. After the EZ ride I went with a friend to Oshkosh and
> subscribed to Kitplane magazine. Initial thoughts were to build a Kiss
> Cruiser with a Subaru engine. After a lot of looking I got smart and set
> sights on an RV6 with a Lycoming. That was the plane for me.
<snip>
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| Subject: | EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
I can offer some insight on this. We are currently testing a device with
Windows XP embedded. The results so far have been mixed. The most troubles
have been with remote administration of the device instead of the actual
functioning of the software itself. The OS itself appears to be stable. The
embedded version of XP is significantly different from its counterpart in
the way it works, especially regarding changes to configuration. I think
this will go a long way in keeping the device stable.
We chose the XP version of this device (a CE version is also available)
because of our experience with Windows CE. Our experience is limited to the
Pocket PC and Pocket PC 2002 versions of this OS. We've found these to be
less than desirable in stability. I think that's largely due to the many
add-ons that can be applied to these devices. These devices routinely have
to be rebooted, sometimes after just being off for a day or two and then
turned back on. One reboot in flight is one to many.
I would be interested to hear from anyone that is using a PocketPC device
with some of the moving map or EFIS software about stability.
Bottom line, I think the embedded versions of the OS can be extremely stable
because of the environment they are operated in. They can be extensively
tested with the OS and the intended application without worrying about
add-ons or changes that a user could make.
Ken
> --> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
>
> I also had a couple of e-mail exchanges with Greg on this topic.
> He was most
> responsive, informative, and generous of his time in replying.
>
> The EFIS does indeed use Windows CE.Net.
> I read all the info I could find on Microsoft's site on this.
> I have no personal experience with this version of the OS, and so
> have no clear
> opinion (one way or the other) about its reliability.
>
> It is a version of Windows. Microsoft's site tells us that it
> is. They call
> it Windows CE.Net, not CE.Net. So just saying CE.Net is not to
> be construed as
> suggesting there is no connection with Windows OS's.
>
> It's important, though, that this is an imbedded system.... specifically
> written to be imbedded in hardware devices. To what degree this
> makes the OS
> more reliable than the desktop versions of Windows we use, I
> personally do not
> know. But I would guess, at least somewhat more reliable.
>
> Is there someone on the list who could comment more expertly on
> this? Are we
> looking at orders of magnitude more reliable and stable than
> desktop Windows
> OS's here?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Bill,
Some have put a tach generator on the tach drive and fed that to the EIS.
That's what I'd like to do this time around. Anyone know a specific part
number that works for this?
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Ah yes, forgot about the different pulse rates of the two
> systems... I guess we'll just go with the mechanical...
>
> -Bill
>
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>
> How about a splitter between the sender wires to make it one
> wire into your EIS? Whichever one is sending the signal will
> flow down the line. I do know that this won't work with the
> RMI uMonitor, though. The pulse rates are different and the
> unit can't separate the different pulses. In other words,
> you have to set up the unit for one type of pulse or another.
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10)
> http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
> Kitlog Builder's Log Software
> http://www.kitlog.com
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
> >
> > Thanks Joel...
> >
> > I think I need to be more specific... I want to know how
> to wire it
> > all
> up so that if you have the mag off, or the EI off, you still
> get a tach reading. On my 8A with an EIS, I have a toggle on
> the panel that lets me switch between the mags for the tach
> reading so I can see the rpms on either mag while I am doing
> the mag checks... Know what I mean?
> >
> > -Bill
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"vansairforce" <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>,
<vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
| Subject: | Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
Hey Bill. I did this same thing on my RV9A by using Van's Electronic Tach sender.
You plug it into the manual tach cable location on the back of the engine and
it gives you a pulse signal that you feed into the EIS. Works great. I posted
all the details about it to the RV list a few months ago.
- Andy Karmy
RV9A Seattle WA 50hrs TT
http://www.karmy.com/rv9a
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>Thanks Joel...
>
>I think I need to be more specific... I want to know how to wire it all up so
that if you have the mag off, or the EI off, you still get a tach reading. On
my 8A with an EIS, I have a toggle on the panel that lets me switch between
the mags for the tach reading so I can see the rpms on either mag while I am doing
the mag checks... Know what I mean?
>
>-Bill
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Joel Harding
>To: rv8list@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 5:01 PM
>Subject: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring
>
>
>Hi Bill,
>The control module for the Lightspeed Electronic Ignition has an output
>for an electronic tach, and my E. I. tach was modified to accept the
>square wave signal which it produces. I would think that would be the
>most accurate readout.
>
>Joel Harding
>On Thursday, April 24, 2003, at 03:22 PM, Bill VonDane wrote:
>
>> Stupid question number 5,690...
>>
>> What's the best way to wire an electronic tach into a systems that has
>> both
>> a mag and an electronic ignition?
>>
>> -Bill VonDane
>> RV-8A ~ N8WV
>> www.vondane.com
>>
>> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hello (long as hell) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO <Brock.Vaughn@hanscom.af.mil>
George,
Thanks for the candid reply and time it took. Your reply was nice to read and
motivating. I'm not sure you wrote anything too different than what I expressed
in my curt fashion, yours was just much easier to read. My curt writing is
primarily due to brevity and it gets responses from multiple sources. Again
for those who are offended by frank and curt writing, I apologize for your shortcoming
to read between the lines and my ignorance of English grammar.
Nice story of commitment and dedication. I did the same by the way. I was a mechanic
for 9 years (16 first job to 25) which paid my college and ratings too.
Same old guys who helped me too. Your words were really nice to read except
for the waste your time part about me. I understand and may have written the
same ten years ago. In my case, I was never motivated until one of my co workers
said I'll never make it because I was not good enough. The truth was he
was correct. I was a smart ass kid with no future. I never forgot that, and
made it happen. Some believe it is necessary to be that type of guy, and in
this case I chose to push instead of stroke.
Regardless of point of view you spoke the truth, as did I and Jerry. Three pilots/builders
gave the truth as they know it. Good results in the end.
In regard to this guy (Jeff). He is 22, and not a mechanic. Your mechanic skills
were of more value than an A&P and more qualified in some areas. You mention
purchasing a C-140 (great plane) and getting your ratings. That is a big
step and one 99% of the population cant do, including Jeff. If he could buy a
140, this correspondence would not take place. The 600 hours you gained is roughly
600 more than Jeff has and you had a lot of them before you bought the
RV kit. I noticed you chose a Lycomming too.
The end is you chose a path that was quite challenging by your own words and only
possible with a unique skill set you had and did nothing for you quality of
life and of little if value to Jeff. You earned your ratings before building
which is exactly as he would have to do (IAW the FAA, cant gain ratings in a
home built, but have to have them to fly one) and what I recommended. The issue
here is how to build a plane cheaply, which was glossed over as a small inchstone
in your reply. In short, you bought a plane, got your ratings, and built
a home built with a lycomming. Jeff that is your advice from George. Now
get to it... ...not too helpful is it.
Over all, what are any of you offering Jeff? Motivation? Does any builder/pilot
need motivation to build and fly? I don't know of any. The pilots I know
and have flown with just did it without the pep talk and website chase your dream
queep that is spouting from this issue. Would you guys recommend to your
friends and children to chase your dream? I don't chase anything I pursue it
through planning and get results through guidance of those who know. I can't
remember ever being told to chase a dream by anyone of credibility.
We get it George. Jeff doesn't. I think the advice you offer is naive, irresponsible,
and dangerous for a 22 year old kid. I don't know of a single college
grad in the world that says going to college was a waste of time and wish they
could go back and not go. I know hundreds that wish they could turn back the
clock and graduate. I don't know of a single military pilot that would go
back and go the civil route. I know hundreds of civil trained pilots that would
trade their years of training to fly military hardware. I simply offered
an honorable, professional and proven way to get his dream into production. Some
of you disagree. Great, nice to be an American and do so. Let it go at that;
a simple point of view that you may disagree with.
The facts are Jeff can join ROTC (Army, Navy, or AF), get college paid for and
become a pilot. I think a bit more valuable that "chase your dream" and build
an RV at any impact to lifestyle, to include wearing worn out clothes, driving
a POS car, and making your wife and family view you as stubborn pilot w/ with
passion. Oddly the advice you offer is not what you took in your own respective
cases. You made them happen by effort and accomplishment more likely through
sacrifice. My words were for Jeff to serve his country and develop into
a better person than he already is and the byproduct be one of the best trained
pilots in the world surrounded by great people. You guys bagged on my method
and lost the meaning and debated my message to him publicly. My suggestion
is fact based and one I experienced and able to lead him through.
I made the attempt to go off line and was posted publicly without my consent by
a fellow builder and pilot. Since none of us are going to change religions on
this issue; what do think about dropping it and get back to building?
Brock 781-354-6656
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
Captain, It appears from looking at your e-mail address on your posts, and
the time of the posts, you are passing on your long winded comments while on
duty. As a tax payer, and also as a retired government worker familiar with
SOP's for such employees, I would ask that you stop doing so, and go back to
work. Glenn in AZ -9A.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO" <Brock.Vaughn@hanscom.af.mil>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Hello (long as hell)
> --> RV-List message posted by: Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO
<Brock.Vaughn@hanscom.af.mil>
>
> George,
>
> Thanks for the candid reply and time it took. Your reply was nice to read
and motivating. I'm not sure you wrote anything too different than what I
expressed in my curt fashion, yours was just much easier to read. My curt
writing is primarily due to brevity and it gets responses from multiple
sources. Again for those who are offended by frank and curt writing, I
apologize for your shortcoming to read between the lines and my ignorance of
English grammar.
>
> Nice story of commitment and dedication. I did the same by the way. I
was a mechanic for 9 years (16 first job to 25) which paid my college and
ratings too. Same old guys who helped me too. Your words were really nice
to read except for the waste your time part about me. I understand and may
have written the same ten years ago. In my case, I was never motivated
until one of my co workers said I'll never make it because I was not good
enough. The truth was he was correct. I was a smart ass kid with no
future. I never forgot that, and made it happen. Some believe it is
necessary to be that type of guy, and in this case I chose to push instead
of stroke.
>
> Regardless of point of view you spoke the truth, as did I and Jerry.
Three pilots/builders gave the truth as they know it. Good results in the
end.
>
> In regard to this guy (Jeff). He is 22, and not a mechanic. Your
mechanic skills were of more value than an A&P and more qualified in some
areas. You mention purchasing a C-140 (great plane) and getting your
ratings. That is a big step and one 99% of the population cant do,
including Jeff. If he could buy a 140, this correspondence would not take
place. The 600 hours you gained is roughly 600 more than Jeff has and you
had a lot of them before you bought the RV kit. I noticed you chose a
Lycomming too.
>
> The end is you chose a path that was quite challenging by your own words
and only possible with a unique skill set you had and did nothing for you
quality of life and of little if value to Jeff. You earned your ratings
before building which is exactly as he would have to do (IAW the FAA, cant
gain ratings in a home built, but have to have them to fly one) and what I
recommended. The issue here is how to build a plane cheaply, which was
glossed over as a small inchstone in your reply. In short, you bought a
plane, got your ratings, and built a home built with a lycomming. Jeff that
is your advice from George. Now get to it... ...not too helpful is it.
>
> Over all, what are any of you offering Jeff? Motivation? Does any
builder/pilot need motivation to build and fly? I don't know of any. The
pilots I know and have flown with just did it without the pep talk and
website chase your dream queep that is spouting from this issue. Would you
guys recommend to your friends and children to chase your dream? I don't
chase anything I pursue it through planning and get results through guidance
of those who know. I can't remember ever being told to chase a dream by
anyone of credibility.
>
> We get it George. Jeff doesn't. I think the advice you offer is naive,
irresponsible, and dangerous for a 22 year old kid. I don't know of a
single college grad in the world that says going to college was a waste of
time and wish they could go back and not go. I know hundreds that wish they
could turn back the clock and graduate. I don't know of a single military
pilot that would go back and go the civil route. I know hundreds of civil
trained pilots that would trade their years of training to fly military
hardware. I simply offered an honorable, professional and proven way to get
his dream into production. Some of you disagree. Great, nice to be an
American and do so. Let it go at that; a simple point of view that you may
disagree with.
>
> The facts are Jeff can join ROTC (Army, Navy, or AF), get college paid for
and become a pilot. I think a bit more valuable that "chase your dream" and
build an RV at any impact to lifestyle, to include wearing worn out clothes,
driving a POS car, and making your wife and family view you as stubborn
pilot w/ with passion. Oddly the advice you offer is not what you took in
your own respective cases. You made them happen by effort and
accomplishment more likely through sacrifice. My words were for Jeff to
serve his country and develop into a better person than he already is and
the byproduct be one of the best trained pilots in the world surrounded by
great people. You guys bagged on my method and lost the meaning and debated
my message to him publicly. My suggestion is fact based and one I
experienced and able to lead him through.
>
> I made the attempt to go off line and was posted publicly without my
consent by a fellow builder and pilot. Since none of us are going to change
religions on this issue; what do think about dropping it and get back to
building?
>
> Brock 781-354-6656
>
>
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"vansairforce" <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Mitch...
This looks like what I am looking for...
Thanks!
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: <n7155a@cox.net>
Subject: GPS antenna
Bill, I saw your question on the RV list.
I installed a remote active antenna on my C172, connected to a Garmin 90. I
used a $65 wolfe bulkhead antenna, and logbook entry for minor modification.
I now get all 8 sats real quick.
If your using a 196, then it must be VFR only, and TSO'd antenna is not
necessarily required.
Jim Weir sells these not at:
http://www.rst-engr.com/rst/catalog/gpsant.html
Looks like Wolfe no longer carries them.
mitch - dreaming of an RV 7 or 10 or ??
>Anyone using a Comant externl GPS antenna with the Garmin
> GPS196? If so,which one?
> -Bill VonDane
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
The company that I work for has a product that we use to communicate to
sub-sea wellheads. This product has been running on WinNT for several years
now, and just recently got converted to XP embedded. Although I did not
work on this particular product directly I did have a lot to do with
specifying how it should work and it interfaces with the control systems
that I build.
In our experience it has been a very robust system (even when running on NT
or 2000). I'll be the first to say that our network servers would be
improved greatly if we would get rid of Windows and replace it with Linux or
OpenBSD etc. but I must say that in my experience the problem with Windows
reliability seems to have more to do with drivers, hardware and the problem
that is ever present between the keyboard and the chair than with Windows
itself. When Windows is allowed to run on very simple hardware with well
tested drivers running a single well tested program it performs quite
reliably. This is the secret to the Windows embedded products. You simply
install a very small sub-section of the operating system and then only add
the pieces that you need.
I suspect that Greg's product needs a kernel, a moderate disk driver (to
read from the flash disk it most likely has in it), some driver for the
screen, data buss and communications ports, and possibly a graphics library
and floating point library. Once those things are tested together and shown
to have no memory leaks. I suspect that it will work very well.
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Fuselage
http://www.myrv7.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miller Robert" <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ...
> --> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
>
> I also had a couple of e-mail exchanges with Greg on this topic. He was
most
> responsive, informative, and generous of his time in replying.
>
> The EFIS does indeed use Windows CE.Net.
> I read all the info I could find on Microsoft's site on this.
> I have no personal experience with this version of the OS, and so have no
clear
> opinion (one way or the other) about its reliability.
>
> It is a version of Windows. Microsoft's site tells us that it is. They
call
> it Windows CE.Net, not CE.Net. So just saying CE.Net is not to be
construed as
> suggesting there is no connection with Windows OS's.
>
> It's important, though, that this is an imbedded system.... specifically
> written to be imbedded in hardware devices. To what degree this makes the
OS
> more reliable than the desktop versions of Windows we use, I personally do
not
> know. But I would guess, at least somewhat more reliable.
>
> Is there someone on the list who could comment more expertly on this? Are
we
> looking at orders of magnitude more reliable and stable than desktop
Windows
> OS's here?
>
> I too am interested in considering this EFIS.... but I will need to get
> comfortable with this question.
>
> Robert
>
> "James E. Clark" wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark"
<james@nextupventures.com>
> >
> > After writing the email below to this list, I felt obliged to send a
copy to
> > Grand Rapids. Just in case I was in error etc.
> >
> > Although they are "heads down" at the moment, Greg got back to me a day
or
> > two later with the response below.
> >
> > This is not to try and "promote" Grand Rapids (even though I am
considering
> > one). It is simply to share info to the list in an effort to clear up
what
> > was a bit of speculation. I also intentionally waited a few days before
> > deciding to send this.
> >
> > Hope it helps somebody.
> >
> > James
> >
> >
============================================================================
> > ======
> >
> > Hi James
> >
> > Thanks. I think your response was excellent, and very accurate. I don''t
> > usually read those lists, so if you want to post this response, or a
portion
> > of i, that is OK with me. I don't want to use the list as a place to
> > advertise, or say bad things about others.
> >
> > We are using CE.NET. We evaluated many operating systems, and have been
very
> > happy with our choice. To date, we have not had a single lockup due to
any
> > operating system problem, and the system is running 24 hours a day (we
leave
> > it running a simulation when we are not developing with it). The
operating
> > system is specifically intended for embedded systems.
> >
> > Like you, I don't consider the operating system the weakest link. Its
> > actually hard to identify a potential weak link at this time, as it
seems to
> > me that there are no engineering risk items remaining.
> >
> > There are lots of details that add the a systems robustness, including
> > techniques for being able to tolerate EMI (radio interference),
> > consideration of fault tolerance and failure modes, tolerance of unusal
> > inputs, self-testing coverage, software reliability, etc. that are much
more
> > likely to cause problems if not addressed, than the operating system,
> > especially one that is running a single program under very controlled
> > circumstances.
> >
> > You are correct that our system uses a dedicated processor for the
AHRS/AIr
> > Data calculations, and this has no operating system. This required much
more
> > engineering time, but is clearly required to meet the integrity needs
for
> > this data. The AHRS has extensive built-in test functions, including
many
> > that run continuously. These tests validate the memory, a/d converter,
> > sensors, include condensation detection, etc, exactly as would be done
if
> > this system was produced by Boeing (after all, that is my background).
> >
> > Thanks again for your support.
> >
> > Greg Toman
> > Grand Rapids Technologies, Inc.
> > 616 583-8000
> > www.grtavionics.com
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James E. Clark
> > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 2:00 PM
> > > To: Rv-List@Matronics.Com
> > > Subject: RV-List: EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ...
> > >
> > >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark"
<james@nextupventures.com>
> > >
> > > There have been several posts about EFIS, GRT and Windows
> > > along with
> > > whether GRT uses MS WIndows and if so whether this is a good idea.
> > >
> > > First, I am considering using the "Horizon" from GRT.
> > >
> > > **My** concern is far less about whether they have a version of
Windows
> > > somewhere in it and more about their ability to engineer and
> > > deliver a high
> > > quality, functional system in the time-frame they are working.
> > > There are far
> > > greater gremlins waiting along the road ahead. Let's hope they can
conquer
> > > them in a timely fashion.
> > >
> > > Now, a few comments from a different perspective ...
> > >
> > > First, as I recall my conversation with Greg at GRTand from looking at
the
> > > current instantiation of the system, there are two (actually three)
> > > components to consider:
> > >
> > > 1. The actual AHRS and/or engine monitoring "subsystems" and
> > > 2. The display "subsytem".
> > >
> > > Their engine monitoring "subsystem" has been around for a long time
and is
> > > not MS Windows based. The data it collects will get displayed in
> > > a "pretty"
> > > fashion so to speak.
> > >
> > > Their upcoming AHRS/air data computer "subsystem" uses their own
> > > "proprietary/written inhouse" (I think) code and is not MS Windows.
They
> > > reportedly spent quite a bit of time over the last year or so working
> > > specifically on this. It too will spew forth data that is to be
> > > presented in
> > > "pretty" fashion for us to use as we fly along.
> > >
> > > The **DISPLAY** subsystem uses (as I recall) a slimmed-down version of
> > > Windows (probably Win-embedded). This subsystem will display the data
from
> > > the subsystems above *and* take in GPS sentences and display info
about
> > > where we are and where we are headed. It will have some database
> > > info stored
> > > locally as well (airports, airspaces etc.).
> > >
> > > It would not be appropriate to compare the experiences we have on out
PCs
> > > with that we might expect in a system like what is being built.
> > >
> > > The problem is not all Windows ... it is one of complexity (due to
nearly
> > > unlimited options for the PC). Once you "close off" the system to
nothing
> > > but known components and use a version of "Windows" that is "fit for
> > > purpose", you can actually achieve reliability and stability far
> > > beyond what
> > > the average Windows user is likely to expect.
> > >
> > > Probably the best consumer demonstation of this is your local ATM.
Counts
> > > out the cash reliably day after day in rain, snow (cold), sleet, hail
or
> > > sunshine (hot). Not saying they NEVER fail but the MTBF is pretty
high.
> > >
> > > It is great to see people like ControlVision (AnyWhereMap), Blue
Mountain
> > > and Dynon push the envelope for us. Each has had teething pains (if it
was
> > > so easy someone would done it a long time ago). Now GRT joins the
> > > fray with
> > > yet another offering to help us get there safely. Let's wish them
> > > and their
> > > approach the best.
> > >
> > > I am hopeful that GRT (as those mentioned above have begun to) will
also
> > > deliver.
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > Do Not Archive
> > >
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > > "If you don't make dust, you eat dust"
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Andy,
Thanks for the tip...do you happen to know Van's part # for the mechanical
tach sender? I saw a couple of things called "tach drive" I believe on the
list, but I wasn't able to determine the appropriate part.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (finish)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
<vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>; <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach
Wiring
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
>
> Hey Bill. I did this same thing on my RV9A by using Van's Electronic Tach
sender. You plug it into the manual tach cable location on the back of the
engine and it gives you a pulse signal that you feed into the EIS. Works
great. I posted all the details about it to the RV list a few months ago.
>
> - Andy Karmy
> RV9A Seattle WA 50hrs TT
> http://www.karmy.com/rv9a
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:09:19 -0600
>
> >Thanks Joel...
> >
> >I think I need to be more specific... I want to know how to wire it all
up so that if you have the mag off, or the EI off, you still get a tach
reading. On my 8A with an EIS, I have a toggle on the panel that lets me
switch between the mags for the tach reading so I can see the rpms on either
mag while I am doing the mag checks... Know what I mean?
> >
> >-Bill
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Joel Harding
> >To: rv8list@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 5:01 PM
> >Subject: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring
> >
> >
> >Hi Bill,
> >The control module for the Lightspeed Electronic Ignition has an output
> >for an electronic tach, and my E. I. tach was modified to accept the
> >square wave signal which it produces. I would think that would be the
> >most accurate readout.
> >
> >Joel Harding
> >On Thursday, April 24, 2003, at 03:22 PM, Bill VonDane wrote:
> >
> >> Stupid question number 5,690...
> >>
> >> What's the best way to wire an electronic tach into a systems that has
> >> both
> >> a mag and an electronic ignition?
> >>
> >> -Bill VonDane
> >> RV-8A ~ N8WV
> >> www.vondane.com
> >>
> >> do not archive
> >
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >Get A Free Psychic Reading!
> >Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions.
> >http://us.click.yahoo.com/pDi3hB/OC5FAA/AG3JAA/1yWplB/TM
> >
> >Online help on this group at:
> >http://help.yahoo.com/help/groups/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach |
Wiring
--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch1@attbi.com>
Dan,
Per Van's new catalog:
If you have a vacuum pump, then order part # IE VTACHGEN 12
If you don't have a vacuum pump, then order part # IE VTACHGEN 2
Regards,
Ken Balch
RV-8 N118KB
Dan Checkoway wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>Andy,
>
>Thanks for the tip...do you happen to know Van's part # for the mechanical
>tach sender? I saw a couple of things called "tach drive" I believe on the
>list, but I wasn't able to determine the appropriate part.
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D (finish)
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>; "vansairforce"
><vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>; <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach
>Wiring
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
>>
>>Hey Bill. I did this same thing on my RV9A by using Van's Electronic Tach
>>
>>
>sender. You plug it into the manual tach cable location on the back of the
>engine and it gives you a pulse signal that you feed into the EIS. Works
>great. I posted all the details about it to the RV list a few months ago.
>
>
>>- Andy Karmy
>> RV9A Seattle WA 50hrs TT
>> http://www.karmy.com/rv9a
>>
>>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>>From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:09:19 -0600
>>
>>
>>
>>>Thanks Joel...
>>>
>>>I think I need to be more specific... I want to know how to wire it all
>>>
>>>
>up so that if you have the mag off, or the EI off, you still get a tach
>reading. On my 8A with an EIS, I have a toggle on the panel that lets me
>switch between the mags for the tach reading so I can see the rpms on either
>mag while I am doing the mag checks... Know what I mean?
>
>
>>>-Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Joel Harding
>>>To: rv8list@yahoogroups.com
>>>Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 5:01 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Bill,
>>>The control module for the Lightspeed Electronic Ignition has an output
>>>for an electronic tach, and my E. I. tach was modified to accept the
>>>square wave signal which it produces. I would think that would be the
>>>most accurate readout.
>>>
>>>Joel Harding
>>>On Thursday, April 24, 2003, at 03:22 PM, Bill VonDane wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Stupid question number 5,690...
>>>>
>>>>What's the best way to wire an electronic tach into a systems that has
>>>>both
>>>>a mag and an electronic ignition?
>>>>
>>>>-Bill VonDane
>>>>RV-8A ~ N8WV
>>>>www.vondane.com
>>>>
>>>>do not archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>Get A Free Psychic Reading!
>>>Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions.
>>>http://us.click.yahoo.com/pDi3hB/OC5FAA/AG3JAA/1yWplB/TM
>>>
>>>Online help on this group at:
>>>http://help.yahoo.com/help/groups/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Here you go Dan:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1051289271-26-450&brow
se=ei&product=vans-tach
Sorry, I couldn't find your URL shortening tool thingy on your web site...
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach
Wiring
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Andy,
Thanks for the tip...do you happen to know Van's part # for the mechanical
tach sender? I saw a couple of things called "tach drive" I believe on the
list, but I wasn't able to determine the appropriate part.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (finish)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
<vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>; <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach
Wiring
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
>
> Hey Bill. I did this same thing on my RV9A by using Van's Electronic Tach
sender. You plug it into the manual tach cable location on the back of the
engine and it gives you a pulse signal that you feed into the EIS. Works
great. I posted all the details about it to the RV list a few months ago.
>
> - Andy Karmy
> RV9A Seattle WA 50hrs TT
> http://www.karmy.com/rv9a
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| Subject: | Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
Dear Dan,
The "electronic"(not mechanical, as you stated below) Tach Sender is p/n:
IE VTACHGEN 2 (if running with-OUT a vacuum pump)
IE VTACHGEN 12 (if running with a vacuum pump, seems to be extended)
Hope this helps.
Konrad
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach
Wiring
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> Andy,
>
> Thanks for the tip...do you happen to know Van's part # for the mechanical
> tach sender? I saw a couple of things called "tach drive" I believe on
the
> list, but I wasn't able to determine the appropriate part.
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (finish)
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>; "vansairforce"
> <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>; <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach
> Wiring
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
> >
> > Hey Bill. I did this same thing on my RV9A by using Van's Electronic
Tach
> sender. You plug it into the manual tach cable location on the back of the
> engine and it gives you a pulse signal that you feed into the EIS. Works
> great. I posted all the details about it to the RV list a few months ago.
> >
> > - Andy Karmy
> > RV9A Seattle WA 50hrs TT
> > http://www.karmy.com/rv9a
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
> > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:09:19 -0600
> >
> > >Thanks Joel...
> > >
> > >I think I need to be more specific... I want to know how to wire it
all
> up so that if you have the mag off, or the EI off, you still get a tach
> reading. On my 8A with an EIS, I have a toggle on the panel that lets me
> switch between the mags for the tach reading so I can see the rpms on
either
> mag while I am doing the mag checks... Know what I mean?
> > >
> > >-Bill
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Joel Harding
> > >To: rv8list@yahoogroups.com
> > >Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 5:01 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring
> > >
> > >
> > >Hi Bill,
> > >The control module for the Lightspeed Electronic Ignition has an output
> > >for an electronic tach, and my E. I. tach was modified to accept the
> > >square wave signal which it produces. I would think that would be the
> > >most accurate readout.
> > >
> > >Joel Harding
> > >On Thursday, April 24, 2003, at 03:22 PM, Bill VonDane wrote:
> > >
> > >> Stupid question number 5,690...
> > >>
> > >> What's the best way to wire an electronic tach into a systems that
has
> > >> both
> > >> a mag and an electronic ignition?
> > >>
> > >> -Bill VonDane
> > >> RV-8A ~ N8WV
> > >> www.vondane.com
> > >>
> > >> do not archive
> > >
> > >
> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >Get A Free Psychic Reading!
> > >Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions.
> > >http://us.click.yahoo.com/pDi3hB/OC5FAA/AG3JAA/1yWplB/TM
> > >
> > >Online help on this group at:
> > >http://help.yahoo.com/help/groups/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Thanks for the part # and link, guys.
FYI, the URL shortener is: http://checkoway.com/url
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach
Wiring
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Here you go Dan:
>
>
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1051289271-26-450&brow
> se=ei&product=vans-tach
>
> Sorry, I couldn't find your URL shortening tool thingy on your web site...
>
> -Bill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach
> Wiring
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> Andy,
>
> Thanks for the tip...do you happen to know Van's part # for the mechanical
> tach sender? I saw a couple of things called "tach drive" I believe on
the
> list, but I wasn't able to determine the appropriate part.
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (finish)
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>; "vansairforce"
> <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>; <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach
> Wiring
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
> >
> > Hey Bill. I did this same thing on my RV9A by using Van's Electronic
Tach
> sender. You plug it into the manual tach cable location on the back of the
> engine and it gives you a pulse signal that you feed into the EIS. Works
> great. I posted all the details about it to the RV list a few months ago.
> >
> > - Andy Karmy
> > RV9A Seattle WA 50hrs TT
> > http://www.karmy.com/rv9a
>
>
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| Subject: | Need help, but waaaaaay off subject! |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
I hate to admit it but I'm just about helpless when it comes to computer
stuff. I know that a lot of you guys are selling and buying airplane stuff
on Ebay but I can't find any of it (I'm also brand new to Ebay, so that's
part of the problem). Can anyone tell me how to navigate my way to the right
categories to find these goodies?
Definitely Do Not Archive.
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, firewall forward
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| Subject: | Re: Hello (long as hell) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bartrim, Todd" <sbartrim@mail.canfor.ca>
> Since none of us are going to change religions on this issue; what do
> think about dropping it and get back to building?
>
> Brock 781-354-6656
>
>
What are you building Brock?
"Whatever you vividly imagine,
Ardently desire,
Sincerely believe in,
Enthusiastically act upon,
Must inevitably come to pass".
Living my dream
S. Todd Bartrim
Turbo 13B rotary powered - don't need no stinkin' Lycosaurus!
RX-9endurance (finishing up the last few details)
C-FSTB (reserved)
http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
"Imagination is more important than knowledge"
-Albert Einstein
Do Not Archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">
<META NAME"Generator" CONTENT"MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2653.12">
RE: RV-List: Re: Hello (long as hell)
Since none of us are going to change religions on this issue; what do think about
dropping it and get back to building?
Brock 781-354-6656
What are you building Brock?
Whatever you vividly imagine,
Ardently desire,
Sincerely believe in,
Enthusiastically act upon,
Must inevitably come to pass.
Living my dream
S. Todd Bartrim
Turbo 13B rotary powered - don't need no stinkin' Lycosaurus!
RX-9endurance (finishing up the last few details)
C-FSTB (reserved)
<A HREF"http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm" TARGET"_blank">http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
Imagination is more important than knowledge
-Albert Einstein
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Electronic Tach Wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charles Brame <charleyb@earthlink.net>
Bill,
I have been toying with this same question. My tach is a VM-1000 which
can use either the mag or the EI, but as your question indicates,
neither works for all situations. I have been toying with a possible
solution but haven't checked it out. Maybe you are the guy to do it.
Van sells an electronic tach which uses a transducer as its source of
RPM data. The transducer, I think, mounts to the mechanical tach drive
on the back of the engine and provides RPM info independent of either a
mag or an EI. It obviously will work with Van's electronic tach. I
wonder if it is also compatible with other electronic tachs or a
VM-1000? The transducer only costs about $50 which seems a relatively
cheap solution.
I'd be interested in what you find out.
Charlie
RV-6A N11CB
San Antonio
-------------------------------
> Time: 02:25:38 PM PST US
> From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
> "vansairforce" <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Electronic Tach Wiring
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Stupid question number 5,690...
>
> What's the best way to wire an electronic tach into a systems that has both
> a mag and an electronic ignition?
>
> -Bill VonDane
> RV-8A ~ N8WV
> www.vondane.com
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Need help, but waaaaaay off subject! |
--> RV-List message posted by: =?us-ascii?Q?=3ESkor_Grimm=3C?= <rvlist@timandjeni.com>
Harry,
A good amount of Aviation parts and so forth are located under
the category "eBayMotors > All Categories > Parts & Accessories >
Aviation." Plus, the following subcategories are located within this
section: Avionics, Engines, Kits, Memorabilia, Parts, Pilot Gear,
Plans, Wholesale Lots, and Other. You can go directly to this category
(#26435) here:
http://listings.ebaymotors.com/aw/plistings/list/category26435/index.htm
l, or you can navigate to it from the homepage by clicking on (under
"Categories" on the left side) "Cars & Other Vehicles" then under "Parts
& Accessories," "Aviation."
Hope that helps.
>Skor Grimm<
do not archive, yo.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of HCRV6@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Need help, but waaaaaay off subject!
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
I hate to admit it but I'm just about helpless when it comes to computer
stuff. I know that a lot of you guys are selling and buying airplane
stuff
on Ebay but I can't find any of it (I'm also brand new to Ebay, so
that's
part of the problem). Can anyone tell me how to navigate my way to the
right
categories to find these goodies?
Definitely Do Not Archive.
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, firewall forward
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ... |
04/25/2003 10:48:24 AM,
Serialize complete at 04/25/2003 10:48:24 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott.Fink@Microchip.com
I have an IPAQ with CE on it, I don't use it in flight, but I do have to
reboot it a couple of times a week when things just stop working as they
should.
Scott
"Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
Sent by: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
04/25/2003 06:29 AM
Please respond to rv-list
To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
cc:
Subject: RE: RV-List: EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ...
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Simmons" <ken@truckstop.com>
I would be interested to hear from anyone that is using a PocketPC device
with some of the moving map or EFIS software about stability.
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| Subject: | Re: Need help, but waaaaaay off subject! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/9656/akroshomepage.htm
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
>
>I hate to admit it but I'm just about helpless when it comes to computer
>stuff. I know that a lot of you guys are selling and buying airplane stuff
>on Ebay but I can't find any of it (I'm also brand new to Ebay, so that's
>part of the problem). Can anyone tell me how to navigate my way to the
>right
>categories to find these goodies?
>
>Definitely Do Not Archive.
>
>Harry Crosby
>Pleasanton, California
>RV-6, firewall forward
Harry,
Ebay moved all the airplane goodies to the Ebay Motors section. Go to the
main Ebay homepage, then click Ebay Motors, and there you'll find an
airplane section to go to.
Have fun.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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| Subject: | Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
What if I don't have a vacuum pump but I have an SD-8 alternator on the
vacuum pump pad?
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Fuselage
http://www.myrv7.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Balch" <kbalch1@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach
Wiring
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch1@attbi.com>
>
> Dan,
>
> Per Van's new catalog:
>
> If you have a vacuum pump, then order part # IE VTACHGEN 12
> If you don't have a vacuum pump, then order part # IE VTACHGEN 2
>
> Regards,
> Ken Balch
> RV-8 N118KB
>
> Dan Checkoway wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> >
> >Andy,
> >
> >Thanks for the tip...do you happen to know Van's part # for the
mechanical
> >tach sender? I saw a couple of things called "tach drive" I believe on
the
> >list, but I wasn't able to determine the appropriate part.
> >
> >)_( Dan
> >RV-7 N714D (finish)
> >http://www.rvproject.com
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>; "vansairforce"
> ><vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>; <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: RV-List: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach
> >Wiring
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
> >>
> >>Hey Bill. I did this same thing on my RV9A by using Van's Electronic
Tach
> >>
> >>
> >sender. You plug it into the manual tach cable location on the back of
the
> >engine and it gives you a pulse signal that you feed into the EIS. Works
> >great. I posted all the details about it to the RV list a few months ago.
> >
> >
> >>- Andy Karmy
> >> RV9A Seattle WA 50hrs TT
> >> http://www.karmy.com/rv9a
> >>
> >>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> >>From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
> >>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:09:19 -0600
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Thanks Joel...
> >>>
> >>>I think I need to be more specific... I want to know how to wire it
all
> >>>
> >>>
> >up so that if you have the mag off, or the EI off, you still get a tach
> >reading. On my 8A with an EIS, I have a toggle on the panel that lets me
> >switch between the mags for the tach reading so I can see the rpms on
either
> >mag while I am doing the mag checks... Know what I mean?
> >
> >
> >>>-Bill
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: Joel Harding
> >>>To: rv8list@yahoogroups.com
> >>>Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 5:01 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Hi Bill,
> >>>The control module for the Lightspeed Electronic Ignition has an output
> >>>for an electronic tach, and my E. I. tach was modified to accept the
> >>>square wave signal which it produces. I would think that would be the
> >>>most accurate readout.
> >>>
> >>>Joel Harding
> >>>On Thursday, April 24, 2003, at 03:22 PM, Bill VonDane wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Stupid question number 5,690...
> >>>>
> >>>>What's the best way to wire an electronic tach into a systems that has
> >>>>both
> >>>>a mag and an electronic ignition?
> >>>>
> >>>>-Bill VonDane
> >>>>RV-8A ~ N8WV
> >>>>www.vondane.com
> >>>>
> >>>>do not archive
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Get A Free Psychic Reading!
> >>>Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions.
> >>>http://us.click.yahoo.com/pDi3hB/OC5FAA/AG3JAA/1yWplB/TM
> >>>
> >>>Online help on this group at:
> >>>http://help.yahoo.com/help/groups/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV Related Items for Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steven B. Janicki" <longezav8r@yahoo.com>
--- "Steven B. Janicki" <longezav8r@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am no longer building and would like to offer
> these
> items to fellow RV builders / owners. All items are
> "Like New" and have only been trial fit in some
> cases.
>
>
> Engine Cooling Baffle
> RV-4 O-360 Kit, Part Number=BAF-4-360, Price=$190.00
>
> ASKING $160 OBO.
>
> Alternators and Accessories
> ES ALTERNATOR 35A KIT: Kit includes alternator,
> bracket, and hardware for mounting on the boss mount
> style Lycoming engines. Does not include belt or
> voltage regulator (belts are not available at Van's
> ).
> Complete Alternator Kit 35 AMP Part Number = ES
> ALTERNATOR 35A KIT Price = $160.00
> Fixed 13.8v Voltage Regulator Part Number = ES
> VR-1751
> Price = $40.00
> ASKING $160 for Both OBO.
>
> Airflow Performance Fuel Injection Fuel Pump
> The AIRFLOW PERFORMANCE pump and filter is
> appropriate
> for any of the fuel injected Lycoming engine.
> Pump Only, Part Number = ES AIRFLOW FUEL PUMP, Price
> > $375.00 ASKING $325.00 OBO
>
> Positech Oil Cooler New Style Oil Coolers #4211 for
> the O-320 and O-360 in all RVs. Cooling area 3.3" x
> 5.6". Mounting holes (in flanges) 4" between
> centers.
> 3.34 lbs. O-320, or O-360 Part Number = EA OIL
> COOLER
> 4211
> Price = $165.00 ASKING $135.00 OBO
>
> Andair Gascolator
> Chromic anodized aluminum gascolator. Cleanable
> internal finger screen provides extensive filter
> area.
> Female ports accept standard AN hardware. Standard
> ports for primer/drain. Very high quality. Note:
> Must
> also order quick drain bottom. If not using a primer
> system, you must also purchase the brass plug for
> the
> top.
> Gascolator Part Number = GAS-2 Price = $125.00 Quick
> Drain Bottom Part Number = CAV-110 Price = $8.90
> ASKING $115.00 for both OBO
>
> Andair Fuel Selector Valves Alternative and
> Replacement Fuel Selector Valves Beautifully crafted
> valves made by RV (and Airbus component) builder
> Andy
> Phillips. Lifetime materials, compatible with all
> fuels. The FS20x3 valve has 180 degree swing and a
> positive "lift and turn" feature to prevent
> inadvertently selecting the off position. The
> FS20x20-3 valve has the same feature but is a dual
> valve with 3/8 inch port for fuel supply and 1/4
> inch
> port for fuel return to the selected tank.
> 180 Degree "lift and turn" fuel valve Part Number > FUEL VALVE FS 20x3 Price
= $147.00 ASKING $110.00
> OBO
> Engine Primer System
>
> Prime for Easy Starting 2 CYLINDER ELECTRIC PRIME
> Part Number = EA ENGINE PRIMER SYS
> Price = $99.00 I HAVE THE PRIMER ONLY! ASKING $50.00
> Champion Oil Filter CH-48108 320/360 LYCOMING Part
> Number = EA OIL FILTER 48110 Price = $15.00 ASKING
> $10.00 OBO
>
> Inverted Oil System Christen System is the Standard
> for Sustained Inverted Flight
> Basic 4-Cylinder System (YOU WILL NEED HOSE, FITTING
> AND SUMP KITS) 802 Oil Valve / 806-4 Breather Tee /
> 803 Oil Separator
> Part Number = EA 801-4 INV OIL SYS, Price = $777.00
> ASKING $675.00 OBO
>
> Oil Quick Drain Makes Changing Oil Quick and Easy A
> great price on a real time saver. Speeds oil changes
> and saves burned fingers. No more fishing around in
> a
> bucket of hot oil for that @#@% oil plug!
> Plug Part Number = F P5000 Price = $50 ASKING $40.00
> OBO
>
> RV-4 Fuel Pump Overflow Fitting Standard AN Fittings
> Won't Clear Firewall A standard AN fitting on the
> overflow vent of a mechanical fuel pump will not
> clear
> the RV-4 firewall. This fitting solves the problem.
> Allows 1/4 inch plastic tube to route fuel away from
> the exhaust system should the mechanical fuel pump
> diaphragm fail. Plug Part Number = F OVERFLOW PLUG
> 1/8"
> Price = $6.75 ASKING $5.00 OBO
>
> Mechanical Tachometer Cable Tach Cable Assembly
> Lengths to 4 Ft. P/N 10-16900 $26.50 ASKING $15.00
> OBO (USED)
>
> ISSPRO Hour Meter Records Time; Hour meter activated
> by oil pressure switch, records engine time. System
> requires ordering both components (Meter and switch)
> separately. Optional oil pressure switch can be
> wired
> to run Hour Meter and illuminate a panel light if
> the
> oil pressure drops below 15 psi. Besides being a
> monitor should you loose oil pressure, this
> effectively works as a warning to turn the Master
> Switch off when the engine shuts down provided a
> large
> enough red light is mounted on the panel.
> Hour Meter Part Number = IE R8864 Price = $20.00 Oil
> pressure switch for activating Hour Meter and light
> Part Number = IE SPDT PRES-15 SW Price = $24.84
> ASKING $35.00 for BOTH OBO
>
> External Power Jumper Plug and Recepticle
> Standard 3-pin female plug equivalent to AN2551
> plug.
> Red Lexan construction is unbreakable and screws
> together in minutes. Sleeves are solid copper,
> silver
> plated. With solenoid pin. Corrosion proof. Mates
> with
> AN2552-3A external power receptacle. Jumper Plug
> #6216
> Aircraft Spruce PN Price = $44.65
> AN2552-3A external power receptacle is designed to
> mount in hole in skin of aircraft. Hole is then
> covered with hinged access door (not included).
> Mates
> with AN2551 type plugs. Model 4621B. External Power
> Recepticle PN AN2552-3A Price = $66.95
> ASKING $90.00 for both OBO
>
> SLICK START MAGNETO BOOSTER P/N SS1001 Rev A.The
> FAA-PMA approved SlickSTART magneto booster system
> integrates solid state electronics with conventional
> ignition hardware to deliver optimum spark energy
> for
> improved engine starting under all operating
> conditions. SlickSTART delivers over 400% more
> spark
> energy during start than conventional impulse
> coupled
> or retard breaker systems. This added energy enables
> the magnetos to fire partially fouled spark plugs,
> ignite less than optimum fuel mixtures, improve hot
> engine restarts, and improve starting performance
> during extreme cold weather operations.SlickSTART
> is
> designed to replace all TCM/Bendix starting
> vibrators
> used in conjunction with Slick Aircraft Products
> magnetos. SlickSTART is also approved for use with
> Slick impulse coupled magnetos to enhance engine
> starting performance. SlickSTART is not approved
> for
> installation on any airframe equipped with
> TCM/Bendix
> 20, 200, 1200, D-2000, or D-3000 series impulse
> coupled or retard breaker magnetos.SlickSTART can
> be
> installed with either impulse coupled or retard
> breaker magnetos and can be used with either 12 volt
> or 24 volt electrical systems. Fits all Slick
> impulse
> coupled and retard breaker 4200/6200 Series and
> 4300/6300 Series magnetos.
> P/N 08-01000 $339.950 ASKING $290.00 OBO
>
> POTTER & BRUMFIELD CIRCUIT BREAKERS
> WX23-X1A1G (PULL-OUT TYPE) 2AMP QTY 5 $19.90 /
> -3AMP
> QTY 1 $20.95 / -5AMP QTY 1 $11.95/ -7.5AMP QTY 2
> $13.85 / -10AMP QTY 1 $11.95
> WX31-X2M1G(SWITCH TYPE) 10AMP QTY 1 $13.90 / -25AMP
> QTY 1 $13.90 / -50AMP QTY 1 $13.90
> W58-XC4C12A(STD BREAKER) - 2AMP QTY 2 $7.95 /
> -1AMP
> QTY 1 $7.95 / -15AMP QTY1 $6.50 / -20AMP QTY 1 $6.95
> /
> -30AMP QTY 1 $5.95
> ASKING $200.00 FOR ALL THE BREAKERS OBO
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach |
Wiring
--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch1@attbi.com>
I'd go ahead and get the one 'for the vacuum pump'. I believe that it's
extended to clear the pump or anything else that's occupying the same
position.
Regards,
Ken
Phil Birkelbach wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
>
>What if I don't have a vacuum pump but I have an SD-8 alternator on the
>vacuum pump pad?
>
>Godspeed,
>
>Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
>RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Fuselage
>http://www.myrv7.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ken Balch" <kbalch1@attbi.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach
>Wiring
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch1@attbi.com>
>>
>>Dan,
>>
>>Per Van's new catalog:
>>
>>If you have a vacuum pump, then order part # IE VTACHGEN 12
>>If you don't have a vacuum pump, then order part # IE VTACHGEN 2
>>
>>Regards,
>>Ken Balch
>>RV-8 N118KB
>>
>>Dan Checkoway wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>>>
>>>Andy,
>>>
>>>Thanks for the tip...do you happen to know Van's part # for the
>>>
>>>
>mechanical
>
>
>>>tach sender? I saw a couple of things called "tach drive" I believe on
>>>
>>>
>the
>
>
>>>list, but I wasn't able to determine the appropriate part.
>>>
>>>)_( Dan
>>>RV-7 N714D (finish)
>>>http://www.rvproject.com
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
>>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>; "vansairforce"
>>><vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>; <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
>>>Subject: RV-List: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach
>>>Wiring
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
>>>>
>>>>Hey Bill. I did this same thing on my RV9A by using Van's Electronic
>>>>
>>>>
>Tach
>
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>sender. You plug it into the manual tach cable location on the back of
>>>
>>>
>the
>
>
>>>engine and it gives you a pulse signal that you feed into the EIS. Works
>>>great. I posted all the details about it to the RV list a few months ago.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>- Andy Karmy
>>>> RV9A Seattle WA 50hrs TT
>>>> http://www.karmy.com/rv9a
>>>>
>>>>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>>>>From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>>>>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:09:19 -0600
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Thanks Joel...
>>>>>
>>>>>I think I need to be more specific... I want to know how to wire it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>all
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>up so that if you have the mag off, or the EI off, you still get a tach
>>>reading. On my 8A with an EIS, I have a toggle on the panel that lets me
>>>switch between the mags for the tach reading so I can see the rpms on
>>>
>>>
>either
>
>
>>>mag while I am doing the mag checks... Know what I mean?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>-Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: Joel Harding
>>>>>To: rv8list@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 5:01 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Bill,
>>>>>The control module for the Lightspeed Electronic Ignition has an output
>>>>>for an electronic tach, and my E. I. tach was modified to accept the
>>>>>square wave signal which it produces. I would think that would be the
>>>>>most accurate readout.
>>>>>
>>>>>Joel Harding
>>>>>On Thursday, April 24, 2003, at 03:22 PM, Bill VonDane wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Stupid question number 5,690...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What's the best way to wire an electronic tach into a systems that has
>>>>>>both
>>>>>>a mag and an electronic ignition?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-Bill VonDane
>>>>>>RV-8A ~ N8WV
>>>>>>www.vondane.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>do not archive
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Get A Free Psychic Reading!
>>>>>Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions.
>>>>>http://us.click.yahoo.com/pDi3hB/OC5FAA/AG3JAA/1yWplB/TM
>>>>>
>>>>>Online help on this group at:
>>>>>http://help.yahoo.com/help/groups/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Parting concern... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO <Brock.Vaughn@hanscom.af.mil>
Captain, It appears from looking at your e-mail
address on your posts, and
the time of the posts, you are passing on your
long winded comments while on
duty. As a tax payer, and also as a retired government
worker familiar with
SOP's for such employees, I would ask that you
stop doing so, and go back to
work. Glenn in AZ -9A.
After trite threats and comments of this nature I believe it would better serve
me not to subscribe to this site any longer. For the record I write while off
duty. The equivalent of what Government civilians would call breaks (lunch,
or similar) and send when I get a chance between putting out fires that my job
consists of. Glenn, we don't have SOPs in the AF and I am on duty 24/7/365
and don't fall under a duty hour regulation. It appears your familiarity is;
through idle threat and poor sportsmanship. I am glad you don't work for the
government and are retired. For the record I am a tax payer too as you are well
aware of and conveniently left out and insinuated that I wasn't. I cant help
but feel disgusted in your cheap shot at my attempt to guide a young man in
an honorable direction. You're an embarrassment to the building community and
the sole reason I and the expertise I had to offer is no longer available to
those who may have had interest or gained from it in this forum. In a language
you will understand, you won Glenn, I'm going bye bye.
The feeling of disappointment in my short membership is only exceeded by the animosity
displayed by the public replies I've received over the past few days.
I'm not sure how open discussion was lost so quickly on such a trivial subject
and the main players only wrote once.
The opportunity to write comments was enjoyable and I really appreciate the 12
strong supporting emails to me directly and the phone calls in regard to the issue
that began as Alternative Engines. To those who are interested in flying
military I am always available for your questions (only during duty hours for
Glenn AZ -9A).
Parting Concern: I am disappointed in some of my fellow writers lack of discretion
and flat out deception. Supporting me privately and bashing me publicly is
poor integrity and an area I would rather bow out of and not associate. The
three of you should be more considerate in your future correspondence. I will
follow your request and not post your words (that's called integrity by the
way).
Matt, please keep my donation and good luck with your site.
Jeff, You don't have an eye problem until the Flight Doctor puts it in writing
and DQs you. Your motivation is too weak as of today to make it to the physical
exam. That is step one of 1000 steps over the next 4 years. You have my number
and if you have what it takes, I will lead you in the direction to your
goal of flying professionally, in the strongest airline in the world (USAF).
I wont hold you hand, you have this site for that. I will lead you to something
bigger than you think you were ever capable of doing and being part of something
some of the writers who support you will never get or comprehend. It takes
courage, brains and guts.. Are you up to it? At one time in my life I made
airplane noises, looked at pictures of airplanes and dreamed of flying too.
I was 5 years old then. Time to get a plan and do it Jeff...
Regretfully: Please un-subscribe
Very Respectful
Brock Vaughn 781 354-6656
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| Subject: | Fwd: Rebel's Bluff Fly-In is a GO! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Morocketman@aol.com
From: Lwfeatherston@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: Rebel's Bluff Fly-In is a GO!
From: Lwfeatherston@aol.com
Subject: Rebel's Bluff Fly-In is a GO!
Hi Everybody, the Fly-In at Rebel's Bluff AP tomorrow, April 26th, is a GO!
The weather forecast is for Clear Sky's, 72F, and east winds about 6 mph.
The entire midwest looks good with maybe some windy conditions in Nebraska,
Iowa, and points north. Same for East Texas, Arkansas, and Mississippi. The
forecast for flying home Sunday also looks very good.
Rebel's Bluff is N37 06.1, and W93
52.2, two miles NNE of Mt Vernon Airport 2MO (thats Missouri not Illinois)
and two miles west of the city of Mt Vernon, MO. RW12/30 is in great
condition. Moist but not muddy. Should be perfect tomorrow. Please use
SOUTH traffic away from the neighbors houses. That is "right traffic to RW
12" and "left traffic to RW30" Thanks! Use CTAF 122.9 and announce "Mt
Vernon Traffic, this is Experimental XYZ, x-miles east/west, landing runway
?? at Rebel's Bluff." Springfield Tracon is expecting you for traffic
advisories on 124.95. Just say Rebel's Bluff and you will get the brief.
It should be a beautiful day for flying, so come on out.
If perchance you are driving (while still building
that RV or Rocket) get to exit 44 on Interstate 44 near Mt Vernon, go east
1.2 miles, left/north on Hiway 39, 1/4 mile turn left/west on Hiway V (like
Victor), go 2.4 miles across the bridge you will see Rebel's Bluff on the
left. Thanks, everybody, see you tomorrow, Les Featherston
417-466-4663
Hi Everybody, the Fly-In at Rebel's Bluff AP tomorrow, April 26th, is a GO! The
weather forecast is for Clear Sky's, 72F, and east winds about 6 mph. The entire
midwest looks good with maybe some windy conditions in Nebraska, Iowa, and
points north. Same for East Texas, Arkansas, and Mississippi. The forecast for
flying home Sunday also looks very good. Rebel's Bluff is N37 06.1, and W93
52.2, two miles NNE of Mt Vernon Airport 2MO (thats Missouri not Illinois) and
two miles west of the city of Mt Vernon, MO. RW12/30 is in great condition.=20Moist
but not muddy. Should be perfect tomorrow. Please use SOUTH traffic away
from the neighbors houses. That is "right traffic to RW 12" and "left traffic
to RW30" Thanks! Use CTAF 122.9 and announce "Mt Vernon Traffic, this is Experimental
XYZ, x-miles east/west, landing runway ?? at Rebel's Bluff." Springfield
Tracon is expecting you for traffic advisories on 124.95. Just say Rebel's
Bluff and you will get the brief. It should be a beautiful day for flying,=20so
come on out. If perchance you are driving (while still building that RV or
Rocket) get to exit=2044 on Interstate 44 near Mt Vernon, go east 1.2 miles,
left/north on Hiway 39, 1/4 mile turn left/west on Hiway V (like Victor), go 2.4
miles across the bridge you will see Rebel's Bluff on the left. Thanks, everybody,
see you tomorrow, Les Featherston 417-466-4663
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| Subject: | New Subaru Charts/Graphs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Listers..
All you alternative engine types , there are some cool new charts and graphs
of the NSI-Aero Subaru conversion, both 2.2 and 2.5 litre engines. They
include dyno and inflight testing. Go to the left of the page to "Files".
Also nicely detailed pix of the Eggenfellner Subaru conversion there.
Go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/E-SubieForum/. Non Yahoo members will
have to take a minute to sign up, others just sign into Yahoo normally.
Jerry Cochran
Wilsonville, OR
RV6a/FWF
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| Subject: | Re: Parting concern... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
thank you.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO" <Brock.Vaughn@hanscom.af.mil>
Subject: RV-List: Parting concern...
> --> RV-List message posted by: Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO
<Brock.Vaughn@hanscom.af.mil>
>
>
> Captain, It appears from looking at your
e-mail address on your posts, and
> the time of the posts, you are passing on
your long winded comments while on
> duty. As a tax payer, and also as a
retired government worker familiar with
> SOP's for such employees, I would ask that
you stop doing so, and go back to
> work. Glenn in AZ -9A.
> After trite threats and comments of this nature I believe it would better
serve me not to subscribe to this site any longer. For the record I write
while off duty. The equivalent of what Government civilians would call
breaks (lunch, or similar) and send when I get a chance between putting out
fires that my job consists of. Glenn, we don't have SOPs in the AF and I am
on duty 24/7/365 and don't fall under a duty hour regulation. It appears
your familiarity is; through idle threat and poor sportsmanship. I am glad
you don't work for the government and are retired. For the record I am a
tax payer too as you are well aware of and conveniently left out and
insinuated that I wasn't. I cant help but feel disgusted in your cheap shot
at my attempt to guide a young man in an honorable direction. You're an
embarrassment to the building community and the sole reason I and the
expertise I had to offer is no longer available to those who may have had
interest or gained from it i!
> n this forum. In a language you will understand, you won Glenn, I'm going
bye bye.
>
> The feeling of disappointment in my short membership is only exceeded by
the animosity displayed by the public replies I've received over the past
few days. I'm not sure how open discussion was lost so quickly on such a
trivial subject and the main players only wrote once.
>
> The opportunity to write comments was enjoyable and I really appreciate
the 12 strong supporting emails to me directly and the phone calls in regard
to the issue that began as Alternative Engines. To those who are interested
in flying military I am always available for your questions (only during
duty hours for Glenn AZ -9A).
>
> Parting Concern: I am disappointed in some of my fellow writers lack of
discretion and flat out deception. Supporting me privately and bashing me
publicly is poor integrity and an area I would rather bow out of and not
associate. The three of you should be more considerate in your future
correspondence. I will follow your request and not post your words (that's
called integrity by the way).
>
> Matt, please keep my donation and good luck with your site.
>
> Jeff, You don't have an eye problem until the Flight Doctor puts it in
writing and DQs you. Your motivation is too weak as of today to make it to
the physical exam. That is step one of 1000 steps over the next 4 years.
You have my number and if you have what it takes, I will lead you in the
direction to your goal of flying professionally, in the strongest airline in
the world (USAF). I wont hold you hand, you have this site for that. I
will lead you to something bigger than you think you were ever capable of
doing and being part of something some of the writers who support you will
never get or comprehend. It takes courage, brains and guts.. Are you up to
it? At one time in my life I made airplane noises, looked at pictures of
airplanes and dreamed of flying too. I was 5 years old then. Time to get a
plan and do it Jeff...
>
> Regretfully: Please un-subscribe
>
> Very Respectful
>
> Brock Vaughn 781 354-6656
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Wesley Robinson" <wesleyt@twave.net>
On Wednesday, April 23rd N224WR flew for the first time, here are some quick
specs:
RV-9A
O-235-C2C 115hp
Ellison Throttle Body
Ed Sterba Wood Prop
Basic IFR Instrumentation
991lbs. Empty weight (no paint or interior yet)
1.6 hrs flown so far. It flew hands off from the start. FAA inspection was
on Monday the 21st with no items to correct.
Thanks to Van's for a great aircraft and to all of the great tips from
listers that I have picked up off of the list.
Wesley Robinson
RV-6A N223WR
RV-9A N224WR
EAA Chapter 731 President
president@eaa731.org
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| Subject: | Flyin breakfast @ KHVC |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
We are having a FlyIn Breakfast
Hopkinsville - Christian County Airport (KHVC)
South western Kentucky about 65 miles nw of Nashville, TN
Saturday April 26, 7:30am - 11:00am
FlyIn, eat breakfast, and checkout my RV7A project :-)
If you have any extra time, I sure would like to get a ride!
--
Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-)
Message 33
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| Subject: | Re: Parting concern...(rant, delete if you really don't care) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "rv6tc" <rv6tc@earthlink.net>
Only since it seems to have somehow ruffled my feathers.....
To the List of people who care (probably very few), since the good Captain
has left the stage....
I have absolutely no idea what he though he meant by comparing the Air Force
and an airline. I've worked for both, and there is very little if anything
to compare. Both operate airplanes, but that is where the comparison ends.
Maybe he was just looking for a "cute" turn of phrase, as he seems to
stretch his eloquence to the brink, but the comparison is wholly inaccurate.
Forgive me for being as thin skinned as the good Captain appears to be.
Sorry for the rant,
Keith Hughes
RV-6, finish
Denver
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO" <Brock.Vaughn@hanscom.af.mil>
. You have my number and if you have what it takes, I will lead you in the
direction to your goal of flying professionally, in the strongest airline in
the world (USAF).
>
> Brock Vaughn 781 354-6656
>
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| Subject: | Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach |
Wiring
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
I've got the SD-8 and I needed the extended tach generator. The SD-8
is fairly porky.
Kevin Horton
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
>
>What if I don't have a vacuum pump but I have an SD-8 alternator on the
>vacuum pump pad?
>
>Godspeed,
>
>Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
>RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Fuselage
>http://www.myrv7.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ken Balch" <kbalch1@attbi.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach
>Wiring
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch1@attbi.com>
>>
>> Dan,
>>
>> Per Van's new catalog:
>>
>> If you have a vacuum pump, then order part # IE VTACHGEN 12
>> If you don't have a vacuum pump, then order part # IE VTACHGEN 2
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ken Balch
>> RV-8 N118KB
>>
>> Dan Checkoway wrote:
>>
>> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>> >
>> >Andy,
>> >
>> >Thanks for the tip...do you happen to know Van's part # for the
>mechanical
>> >tach sender? I saw a couple of things called "tach drive" I believe on
>the
>> >list, but I wasn't able to determine the appropriate part.
>> >
>> >)_( Dan
>> >RV-7 N714D (finish)
>> >http://www.rvproject.com
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
>> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>; "vansairforce"
>> ><vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>; <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
>> >Subject: RV-List: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach
>> >Wiring
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
>> >>
>> >>Hey Bill. I did this same thing on my RV9A by using Van's Electronic
>Tach
>> >>
>> >>
>> >sender. You plug it into the manual tach cable location on the back of
>the
>> >engine and it gives you a pulse signal that you feed into the EIS. Works
>> >great. I posted all the details about it to the RV list a few months ago.
>> >
>> >
>> >>- Andy Karmy
>> >> RV9A Seattle WA 50hrs TT
>> >> http://www.karmy.com/rv9a
>> >>
>> >>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> >>From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>> >>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:09:19 -0600
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Thanks Joel...
>> >>>
>> >>>I think I need to be more specific... I want to know how to wire it
>all
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >up so that if you have the mag off, or the EI off, you still get a tach
>> >reading. On my 8A with an EIS, I have a toggle on the panel that lets me
>> >switch between the mags for the tach reading so I can see the rpms on
>either
>> >mag while I am doing the mag checks... Know what I mean?
>> >
>> >
>> >>>-Bill
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>----- Original Message -----
>> >>>From: Joel Harding
>> >>>To: rv8list@yahoogroups.com
>> >>>Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 5:01 PM
>> >>>Subject: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Hi Bill,
>> >>>The control module for the Lightspeed Electronic Ignition has an output
>> >>>for an electronic tach, and my E. I. tach was modified to accept the
>> >>>square wave signal which it produces. I would think that would be the
>> >>>most accurate readout.
>> >>>
>> >>>Joel Harding
>> >>>On Thursday, April 24, 2003, at 03:22 PM, Bill VonDane wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Stupid question number 5,690...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>What's the best way to wire an electronic tach into a systems that has
>> >>>>both
>> >>>>a mag and an electronic ignition?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>-Bill VonDane
>> >>>>RV-8A ~ N8WV
>> >>>>www.vondane.com
> > >>>>
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| Subject: | From The Ground Up |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Taylor" <rv7@cox.net>
For those who are interested it appears Discovery Wings is playing "From The
Ground Up" again. Episode 3 plays Sunday night. The website shows 9:30 Eastern
Time but you may want to verify the time.
-David Taylor
N207DT (reserved)
Empennage
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Tach Wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 4/25/2003 10:29:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
charleyb@earthlink.net writes:
> I have been toying with this same question. My tach is a VM-1000 which
> can use either the mag or the EI, but as your question indicates,
> neither works for all situations.
The VM1000 tach mag pickup works regardless of whether the mag it is
connected to is ON (P-lead not shorted to GND) or OFF (P-lead shorted to
GND), as long as it is being rotated by the engine. If you put the sender in
the only mag you have, regardless of which one it is, it will work fine. Mag
off or the EI off during your run up checks, makes no difference. Am I
missing something here?
-GV (RV-6A N1GV 598hrs)
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| Subject: | EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Short answer to your question about reliability.
Yes. It is more reliable ... but for some reasons that many overlook.
1. It is smaller/less complex
2. It is typically used in a ***FAR*** less complex mix of s/w and drivers
3. It is typically used in a small/known universe (platform and universe of
useage) and thus a "known" complexity.
As mentioned in another post ... MS (Windows) derived systems are workiing
quite reliably in all of our day to day lives. Maybe just not so on our
personal computers. When the package is bound and limited and fully tested
by the sole supplier then reliability tends to go up at least an order of
magnitude.
When you check out at the next grocery or retail store, or when you get that
$100 from the money machine, the odds are that some variant of MS (Windows)
was at work in the system.
James
... no relationship to Microsoft
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Miller Robert
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 9:15 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ...
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
>
> I also had a couple of e-mail exchanges with Greg on this topic.
> He was most
> responsive, informative, and generous of his time in replying.
>
> The EFIS does indeed use Windows CE.Net.
> I read all the info I could find on Microsoft's site on this.
> I have no personal experience with this version of the OS, and so
> have no clear
> opinion (one way or the other) about its reliability.
>
> It is a version of Windows. Microsoft's site tells us that it
> is. They call
> it Windows CE.Net, not CE.Net. So just saying CE.Net is not to
> be construed as
> suggesting there is no connection with Windows OS's.
>
> It's important, though, that this is an imbedded system.... specifically
> written to be imbedded in hardware devices. To what degree this
> makes the OS
> more reliable than the desktop versions of Windows we use, I
> personally do not
> know. But I would guess, at least somewhat more reliable.
>
> Is there someone on the list who could comment more expertly on
> this? Are we
> looking at orders of magnitude more reliable and stable than
> desktop Windows
> OS's here?
>
> I too am interested in considering this EFIS.... but I will need to get
> comfortable with this question.
>
> Robert
>
> "James E. Clark" wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark"
> <james@nextupventures.com>
> >
> > After writing the email below to this list, I felt obliged to
> send a copy to
> > Grand Rapids. Just in case I was in error etc.
> >
> > Although they are "heads down" at the moment, Greg got back to
> me a day or
> > two later with the response below.
> >
> > This is not to try and "promote" Grand Rapids (even though I am
> considering
> > one). It is simply to share info to the list in an effort to
> clear up what
> > was a bit of speculation. I also intentionally waited a few days before
> > deciding to send this.
> >
> > Hope it helps somebody.
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> ==================================================================
> ==========
> > ======
> >
> > Hi James
> >
> > Thanks. I think your response was excellent, and very accurate. I don''t
> > usually read those lists, so if you want to post this response,
> or a portion
> > of i, that is OK with me. I don't want to use the list as a place to
> > advertise, or say bad things about others.
> >
> > We are using CE.NET. We evaluated many operating systems, and
> have been very
> > happy with our choice. To date, we have not had a single lockup
> due to any
> > operating system problem, and the system is running 24 hours a
> day (we leave
> > it running a simulation when we are not developing with it).
> The operating
> > system is specifically intended for embedded systems.
> >
> > Like you, I don't consider the operating system the weakest link. Its
> > actually hard to identify a potential weak link at this time,
> as it seems to
> > me that there are no engineering risk items remaining.
> >
> > There are lots of details that add the a systems robustness, including
> > techniques for being able to tolerate EMI (radio interference),
> > consideration of fault tolerance and failure modes, tolerance of unusal
> > inputs, self-testing coverage, software reliability, etc. that
> are much more
> > likely to cause problems if not addressed, than the operating system,
> > especially one that is running a single program under very controlled
> > circumstances.
> >
> > You are correct that our system uses a dedicated processor for
> the AHRS/AIr
> > Data calculations, and this has no operating system. This
> required much more
> > engineering time, but is clearly required to meet the integrity
> needs for
> > this data. The AHRS has extensive built-in test functions,
> including many
> > that run continuously. These tests validate the memory, a/d converter,
> > sensors, include condensation detection, etc, exactly as would
> be done if
> > this system was produced by Boeing (after all, that is my background).
> >
> > Thanks again for your support.
> >
> > Greg Toman
> > Grand Rapids Technologies, Inc.
> > 616 583-8000
> > www.grtavionics.com
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James E. Clark
> > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 2:00 PM
> > > To: Rv-List@Matronics.Com
> > > Subject: RV-List: EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ...
> > >
> > >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark"
> <james@nextupventures.com>
> > >
> > > There have been several posts about EFIS, GRT and Windows
> > > along with
> > > whether GRT uses MS WIndows and if so whether this is a good idea.
> > >
> > > First, I am considering using the "Horizon" from GRT.
> > >
> > > **My** concern is far less about whether they have a version
> of Windows
> > > somewhere in it and more about their ability to engineer and
> > > deliver a high
> > > quality, functional system in the time-frame they are working.
> > > There are far
> > > greater gremlins waiting along the road ahead. Let's hope
> they can conquer
> > > them in a timely fashion.
> > >
> > > Now, a few comments from a different perspective ...
> > >
> > > First, as I recall my conversation with Greg at GRTand from
> looking at the
> > > current instantiation of the system, there are two (actually three)
> > > components to consider:
> > >
> > > 1. The actual AHRS and/or engine monitoring "subsystems" and
> > > 2. The display "subsytem".
> > >
> > > Their engine monitoring "subsystem" has been around for a
> long time and is
> > > not MS Windows based. The data it collects will get displayed in
> > > a "pretty"
> > > fashion so to speak.
> > >
> > > Their upcoming AHRS/air data computer "subsystem" uses their own
> > > "proprietary/written inhouse" (I think) code and is not MS
> Windows. They
> > > reportedly spent quite a bit of time over the last year or so working
> > > specifically on this. It too will spew forth data that is to be
> > > presented in
> > > "pretty" fashion for us to use as we fly along.
> > >
> > > The **DISPLAY** subsystem uses (as I recall) a slimmed-down version of
> > > Windows (probably Win-embedded). This subsystem will display
> the data from
> > > the subsystems above *and* take in GPS sentences and display
> info about
> > > where we are and where we are headed. It will have some database
> > > info stored
> > > locally as well (airports, airspaces etc.).
> > >
> > > It would not be appropriate to compare the experiences we
> have on out PCs
> > > with that we might expect in a system like what is being built.
> > >
> > > The problem is not all Windows ... it is one of complexity
> (due to nearly
> > > unlimited options for the PC). Once you "close off" the
> system to nothing
> > > but known components and use a version of "Windows" that is "fit for
> > > purpose", you can actually achieve reliability and stability far
> > > beyond what
> > > the average Windows user is likely to expect.
> > >
> > > Probably the best consumer demonstation of this is your local
> ATM. Counts
> > > out the cash reliably day after day in rain, snow (cold),
> sleet, hail or
> > > sunshine (hot). Not saying they NEVER fail but the MTBF is
> pretty high.
> > >
> > > It is great to see people like ControlVision (AnyWhereMap),
> Blue Mountain
> > > and Dynon push the envelope for us. Each has had teething
> pains (if it was
> > > so easy someone would done it a long time ago). Now GRT joins the
> > > fray with
> > > yet another offering to help us get there safely. Let's wish them
> > > and their
> > > approach the best.
> > >
> > > I am hopeful that GRT (as those mentioned above have begun
> to) will also
> > > deliver.
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > Do Not Archive
> > >
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > > "If you don't make dust, you eat dust"
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Parting concern... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
It is obviously your call, Brock, but I disagree with you here.
I think it is VERY IMPORTANT that we have a DIVERSITY of views here on this
list.
I don't always agree with what many have to say but I am glad they said it.
Sometimes **WE** on this list get way too personal in our replies to people
with whom we disagree. Then said individuals decide to leave and although in
the short term some may say "good ridance", I think we all lose just a
little bit each time it happens, no matter who it was that left. <Clearly
unless of course they were being destructive>.
So I for one request that you hang around a while more.
By the way, I don't even remember what the real disagreement was about. I
just think it is good to have different views expressed in a respectful way
on lists like this. That, the comraderie and the generic info they provide
is what makes them so valuable.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Vaughn Brock
> Capt ESC/AWXO
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 3:54 PM
>
> After trite threats and comments of this nature I believe it
> would better serve me not to subscribe to this site any longer.
> Regretfully: Please un-subscribe
>
> Very Respectful
>
> Brock Vaughn 781 354-6656
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Parting concern... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Meketa" <acgm@gvtc.com>
Hello Yall
Well said. I do have to agree, even though I disagree.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
George Meketa
> It is obviously your call, Brock, but I disagree with you here.
>
> I think it is VERY IMPORTANT that we have a DIVERSITY of views here on
this
> list.
>
> I don't always agree with what many have to say but I am glad they said
it.
>
> Sometimes **WE** on this list get way too personal in our replies to
people
> with whom we disagree. Then said individuals decide to leave and although
in
> the short term some may say "good ridance", I think we all lose just a
> little bit each time it happens, no matter who it was that left. <Clearly
> unless of course they were being destructive>.
>
> So I for one request that you hang around a while more.
>
> By the way, I don't even remember what the real disagreement was about. I
> just think it is good to have different views expressed in a respectful
way
> on lists like this. That, the comraderie and the generic info they provide
> is what makes them so valuable.
>
>
> James
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Vaughn Brock
> > Capt ESC/AWXO
> > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 3:54 PM
> >
> > After trite threats and comments of this nature I believe it
> > would better serve me not to subscribe to this site any longer.
> > Regretfully: Please un-subscribe
> >
> > Very Respectful
> >
> > Brock Vaughn 781 354-6656
>
>
> >
> >
>
>
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