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1. 05:51 AM - Cleaning oil off a Quickbuild? (N223RV@aol.com)
2. 05:51 AM - Re: Electronic Tach Wiring (Bill VonDane)
3. 05:54 AM - Crating (Bob Hodgson)
4. 06:46 AM - Re: N224WR Flies! (Vicki Schrimmer)
5. 06:55 AM - Re: Cleaning oil off a Quickbuild? (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
6. 08:06 AM - Re: Cleaning oil off a Quickbuild? (Paul Besing)
7. 10:15 AM - Re: EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ... (Terry Watson)
8. 10:15 AM - Re: Cleaning oil off a Quickbuild? (Jerry Springer)
9. 10:33 AM - Re: Cleaning oil off a Quickbuild? (kempthornes)
10. 12:26 PM - God bless Captain Angry, Engine rebuilding information (rpmiller)
11. 12:35 PM - Camlocks on cowl (Jeff Point)
12. 01:17 PM - Re: Camlocks on cowl (Randy Lervold)
13. 01:50 PM - Re: God bless Captain Angry, Engine rebuilding information (Joe Hine)
14. 01:59 PM - Re: God bless Captain Angry, Engine rebuilding information (Joe Hine)
15. 02:32 PM - Re: Waaaay off subject/Ebay question (HCRV6@aol.com)
16. 04:22 PM - Re: Camlocks on cowl (RGray67968@aol.com)
17. 04:47 PM - Re: N224WR Flies! (Charles Rowbotham)
18. 04:55 PM - Re: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring (LarryRobertHelming)
19. 05:16 PM - Re: Parting concern... (KostaLewis)
20. 05:34 PM - Re: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach (Kevin Horton)
21. 05:48 PM - Fuel Transducer Mounting (N223RV@aol.com)
22. 05:54 PM - Fly in at Rebel's Bluff (Denis Walsh)
23. 06:37 PM - Re: God bless Captain Angry, Engine rebuilding information (2 at UT)
24. 07:49 PM - wiring question (Dave Ford)
25. 08:07 PM - Re: Parting concern... (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
26. 09:31 PM - Re: Fuel Transducer Mounting (Randy Lervold)
27. 09:34 PM - does top front panel carry load? (Knicholas2@aol.com)
28. 09:40 PM - Can You Do This, Or will You Fail ? (Austin)
29. 09:53 PM - Re: Can You Do This, Or will You Fail ? (Jerry Springer)
30. 10:22 PM - Re: Can You Do This, Or will You Fail ? (Jim Jewell)
31. 11:34 PM - Re: Can You Do This, Or will You Fail ? (Jaye and Scott Jackson)
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| Subject: | Cleaning oil off a Quickbuild? |
--> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
Can someone tell me what they did to prep the inside of their quickbuild
prior to painting?
Mine is very oily and I want to ensure it is all cleaned out prior to
painting, I am wondering what others have done. I don't want to use Acetone
or MEK as I am afraid it may remove the Variprime Van's put on.
Any thoughts? Thanks
-Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Tach Wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
I ended up going with Van's tach and transducer...
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Brame" <charleyb@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Electronic Tach Wiring
--> RV-List message posted by: Charles Brame <charleyb@earthlink.net>
Bill,
I have been toying with this same question. My tach is a VM-1000 which
can use either the mag or the EI, but as your question indicates,
neither works for all situations. I have been toying with a possible
solution but haven't checked it out. Maybe you are the guy to do it.
Van sells an electronic tach which uses a transducer as its source of
RPM data. The transducer, I think, mounts to the mechanical tach drive
on the back of the engine and provides RPM info independent of either a
mag or an EI. It obviously will work with Van's electronic tach. I
wonder if it is also compatible with other electronic tachs or a
VM-1000? The transducer only costs about $50 which seems a relatively
cheap solution.
I'd be interested in what you find out.
Charlie
RV-6A N11CB
San Antonio
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
Hi List,
This is not directly RV related, but I'd be grateful for some advice!
I am buying a damaged airplane from a guy in Pacoima, LA for export to the
UK for restoration (not an RV). Need to crate this up for air freight.
Anyone in the area know of an outfit that has done this sort of thing
successfully before?
Light, but strong - don't want to add to the damage!
Any of the Bakersfield Bunch on list with contacts?
TIA for any leads.
Bob H (UK)
RV3B fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: N224WR Flies! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vicki Schrimmer <abusymom@cox.net>
>On Wednesday, April 23rd N224WR flew for the first time, here are some quick
specs:
>RV-9A
>O-235-C2C 115hp
Congratulations Wesley! Please keep us posted with performance specs with
the O-235 engine.
Mark Schrimmer
RV-9A Finishing wings, starting fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Cleaning oil off a Quickbuild? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
Mike, I used R-M #901 Surface Prep Cleaner which will not lift primer or
paint. A side note......Although I prefer P&G Products R-M can save you a
few bucks on Aluminum Preps etc. without really mixing systems.
I have also heard on the list people have used Coleman Lantern Fluid
for this choir with good results.
Tom in Ohio (Paint Summer..Fly this fall)
----- Original Message -----
From: <N223RV@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Cleaning oil off a Quickbuild?
> --> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
>
> Can someone tell me what they did to prep the inside of their quickbuild
> prior to painting?
>
> Mine is very oily and I want to ensure it is all cleaned out prior to
> painting, I am wondering what others have done. I don't want to use
Acetone
> or MEK as I am afraid it may remove the Variprime Van's put on.
>
> Any thoughts? Thanks
> -Mike
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cleaning oil off a Quickbuild? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Sherwin Williams Sher-Wil-Kleen degreaser/paint prep works great, and it
won't take off any primer.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10)
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <N223RV@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Cleaning oil off a Quickbuild?
> --> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
>
> Can someone tell me what they did to prep the inside of their quickbuild
> prior to painting?
>
> Mine is very oily and I want to ensure it is all cleaned out prior to
> painting, I am wondering what others have done. I don't want to use
Acetone
> or MEK as I am afraid it may remove the Variprime Van's put on.
>
> Any thoughts? Thanks
> -Mike
>
>
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| Subject: | EFIS, GRT and Windows etc ... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
When you check out at the next grocery or retail store, or when you get that
$100 from the money machine, the odds are that some variant of MS (Windows)
was at work in the system.
I had the unusual honor and privilege of crashing a Bank of America cash
machine the other day, and got a glimpse of the operating system when it
rebooted. IBM DOS, which to my understanding is a non-windows variant of
MS-DOS which (controversy here!) was an unauthorized adaptation of CP/M.
The people in line behind me were not amused.
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Cleaning oil off a Quickbuild? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
I asked at breakfast this morning what they used, it is WD-40 sprayed in
for corrosion protection while shipping.
Jerry
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Paul Besing wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
>
> Sherwin Williams Sher-Wil-Kleen degreaser/paint prep works great, and it
> won't take off any primer.
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10)
> http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
> Kitlog Builder's Log Software
> http://www.kitlog.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <N223RV@aol.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Cleaning oil off a Quickbuild?
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
>>
>>Can someone tell me what they did to prep the inside of their quickbuild
>>prior to painting?
>>
>>Mine is very oily and I want to ensure it is all cleaned out prior to
>>painting, I am wondering what others have done. I don't want to use
>
> Acetone
>
>>or MEK as I am afraid it may remove the Variprime Van's put on.
>>
>>Any thoughts? Thanks
>>-Mike
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cleaning oil off a Quickbuild? |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
>
> I have also heard on the list people have used Coleman Lantern Fluid
I believe it contains a small amount of oil - I'd use something else and
cheaper too.
Many solvents will pick up the oil but unless you use lots of it, you just
smear the oil around. I would think start with a solvent like cheapo paint
thinner and go to soapy water.
But, check the archives.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | God bless Captain Angry, Engine rebuilding information |
--> RV-List message posted by: "rpmiller" <rpmiller@1usa.net>
The "was alternative engines" thread was entertaining. It made clear to me how
easy it is to come across as disrespectful and defensive when you get wound up
writing emails back and forth. I think it improves communication when you proof
read your stuff before sending it, and when you show a little humility and
a sense of humour. I also have to admit that I sort of enjoy these argumentative
threads that use the subject of RVs as a pretext to rant about someting
else.
On the other hand...looking into the future on my project I am going to have to
inspect/rebuild my Lycoming 0-320 E2D. While I realize the wisest course may
well be to farm it out to someone else, I would still like to learn about what
is involved. I've only rebuilt one engine, a Ford 2.0 liter, in my life but
it was fun and it ran well. I would like to know what someone with experience
in this area would recommend as to what Lycoming manuals, parts/assembly whatever,
I should get and if there are any good rebuilding books or videos for this
engine. Also where does the amateur go for parts/machine work?
I also have a Great American prop 68x66, does anyone know if this was for a 150hp
or a 160hp engine? Its an RV4.
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| Subject: | Camlocks on cowl |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
For those who have done their cowls with Camlocks instead of hinges,
what thickness Al strip did you use for the camlocks to attach to the
cowl. Their website shows it done using .063 but that seems like
overkill. I was thinking of using .040 or .032, easier to work with and
I have it on hand. What do you think?
Jeff Point
RV-6 FWF
Milwaukee WI
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| Subject: | Re: Camlocks on cowl |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
Use .063", you want a solid foundation that will not develop cracks from the
constant vibration.
Randy Lervold
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Point" <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Subject: RV-List: Camlocks on cowl
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>
> For those who have done their cowls with Camlocks instead of hinges,
> what thickness Al strip did you use for the camlocks to attach to the
> cowl. Their website shows it done using .063 but that seems like
> overkill. I was thinking of using .040 or .032, easier to work with and
> I have it on hand. What do you think?
>
> Jeff Point
> RV-6 FWF
> Milwaukee WI
>
>
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| Subject: | God bless Captain Angry, Engine rebuilding information |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Joe Hine" <joehine@rogers.com>
-Hi RP (no first name in your post)
When I built my RV4 I had a E2D as well that needed inspecting and
rebuilding. I didn't have the money to send it out for rebuilding and
decided to do it myself. Funny enough one of the two engines that I had
rebuilt previously was a ford 2 litre as well. I gathered as much info as I
could, bought the necessary lycoming manuals, spoke to friends that had done
the same thing. The most helpful thing that I did was attend a Mannituc
(sp?) forum at sun and fun where they take an O320 apart and put it back
together again repeatedly during the week. I sat through a couple for
disassemblies and assemblies and learned a huge amount. The guy doing the
forum was very knowledgeable. The forum is hands on, the participants do
all the work with his guidance. I ended up sending out one cylinder that had
a little crack, but did every thing else myself, including a valve job with
the help of a local AME that had done them before. The engine has 200+
hours now, the compressions are still good and it works fine. I still would
like to purchase new cylinders and that will happen in the future, but in
the mean time I have lots of confidence in the engine.
Bottom line is, rebuilding your own engine is very doable and is kind of
fun.
Joe Hine
RV4 C-FYTQ
--> RV-List message posted by: "rpmiller" <rpmiller@1usa.net>
The "was alternative engines" thread was entertaining. It made clear to me
how easy it is to come across as disrespectful and defensive when you get
wound up writing emails back and forth. I think it improves communication
when you proof read your stuff before sending it, and when you show a little
humility and a sense of humour. I also have to admit that I sort of enjoy
these argumentative threads that use the subject of RVs as a pretext to rant
about someting else.
On the other hand...looking into the future on my project I am going to have
to inspect/rebuild my Lycoming 0-320 E2D. While I realize the wisest course
may well be to farm it out to someone else, I would still like to learn
about what is involved. I've only rebuilt one engine, a Ford 2.0 liter, in
my life but it was fun and it ran well. I would like to know what someone
with experience in this area would recommend as to what Lycoming manuals,
parts/assembly whatever, I should get and if there are any good rebuilding
books or videos for this engine. Also where does the amateur go for
parts/machine work?
I also have a Great American prop 68x66, does anyone know if this was for a
150hp or a 160hp engine? Its an RV4.
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| Subject: | God bless Captain Angry, Engine rebuilding information |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Joe Hine" <joehine@rogers.com>
Hi Again
I forgot to respond to your prop question.
I had a 68X66 on my 4 the first year I flew it and it was way too fine. I
could only get 19"MP at 2700rpm. The engine was rebuilt as 160hp. Be
aware that wood props from different manufacturers with the same advertized
pitch vary in actual pitch and performance. If it is a good prop, I would
try it out before I ordered another one.
Joe Hine
RV4 C-FYTQ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of rpmiller
Subject: RV-List: God bless Captain Angry, Engine rebuilding information
--> RV-List message posted by: "rpmiller" <rpmiller@1usa.net>
The "was alternative engines" thread was entertaining. It made clear to me
how easy it is to come across as disrespectful and defensive when you get
wound up writing emails back and forth. I think it improves communication
when you proof read your stuff before sending it, and when you show a little
humility and a sense of humour. I also have to admit that I sort of enjoy
these argumentative threads that use the subject of RVs as a pretext to rant
about someting else.
On the other hand...looking into the future on my project I am going to have
to inspect/rebuild my Lycoming 0-320 E2D. While I realize the wisest course
may well be to farm it out to someone else, I would still like to learn
about what is involved. I've only rebuilt one engine, a Ford 2.0 liter, in
my life but it was fun and it ran well. I would like to know what someone
with experience in this area would recommend as to what Lycoming manuals,
parts/assembly whatever, I should get and if there are any good rebuilding
books or videos for this engine. Also where does the amateur go for
parts/machine work?
I also have a Great American prop 68x66, does anyone know if this was for a
150hp or a 160hp engine? Its an RV4.
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| Subject: | Re: Waaaay off subject/Ebay question |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
Thanks guys for the tips on navigating Ebay for airplane stuff.
Do Not Archive
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, firewall forward
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| Subject: | Re: Camlocks on cowl |
--> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com
Jeff,
Like Randy.......I recommend the .063. Nice and stiff right where you want it.
When you're working under the hood you don't want a 'flimsy' edge hanging out
in the breeze where it might get bent. Plus, with the .063 you can remove any
'excess' between receptacles and it will still be firm. Don't forget to carry
strip all the around the sides to the lower cowl. You can get an extra camlock
(or two) on each side where the cowl would otherwise bow out in flight with the
hinge set up as they stop about 4 inches up.
Rick Gray RV6 (Ohio) at the Buffalo Farm - 175 hours on my camlocks since August
Use .063", you want a solid foundation that will not develop cracks from the
constant vibration.
Randy Lervold
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>
> For those who have done their cowls with Camlocks instead of hinges,
> what thickness Al strip did you use for the camlocks to attach to the
> cowl. Their website shows it done using .063 but that seems like
> overkill. I was thinking of using .040 or .032, easier to work with and
> I have it on hand. What do you think?
>
> Jeff Point
> RV-6 FWF
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| Subject: | Re: N224WR Flies! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Wesley,
CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!!!
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: "Wesley Robinson" <wesleyt@twave.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: N224WR Flies!
>Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:03:55 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Wesley Robinson" <wesleyt@twave.net>
>
>On Wednesday, April 23rd N224WR flew for the first time, here are some
>quick
>specs:
>
>
>RV-9A
>
>O-235-C2C 115hp
>
>Ellison Throttle Body
>
>Ed Sterba Wood Prop
>
>Basic IFR Instrumentation
>
>991lbs. Empty weight (no paint or interior yet)
>
>
>1.6 hrs flown so far. It flew hands off from the start. FAA inspection was
>on Monday the 21st with no items to correct.
>
>Thanks to Van's for a great aircraft and to all of the great tips from
>listers that I have picked up off of the list.
>
>
>Wesley Robinson
>
>RV-6A N223WR
>
>RV-9A N224WR
>
>EAA Chapter 731 President
>
>president@eaa731.org
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Kevin, I'm interested in your reply but don't understand it, so please
forgive me for asking you to explain for a few who don't know what, " I
needed the extended tach generator. The SD-8 is fairly porky ", means.
Thanks. Do Not Archive
Larry in Indiana, RV7 Tip-up O-360 3XG reserved.
Working on Canopy of Finish Kit
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Horton" <khorto1537@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach
Wiring
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>
> I've got the SD-8 and I needed the extended tach generator. The SD-8
> is fairly porky.
>
> Kevin Horton
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
> >
> >What if I don't have a vacuum pump but I have an SD-8 alternator on the
> >vacuum pump pad?
> >
> >Godspeed,
> >
> >Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
> >RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Fuselage
> >http://www.myrv7.com
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ken Balch" <kbalch1@attbi.com>
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic
Tach
> >Wiring
> >
> >
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch1@attbi.com>
> >>
> >> Dan,
> >>
> >> Per Van's new catalog:
> >>
> >> If you have a vacuum pump, then order part # IE VTACHGEN 12
> >> If you don't have a vacuum pump, then order part # IE VTACHGEN 2
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Ken Balch
> >> RV-8 N118KB
> >>
> >> Dan Checkoway wrote:
> >>
> >> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> >> >
> >> >Andy,
> >> >
> >> >Thanks for the tip...do you happen to know Van's part # for the
> >mechanical
> >> >tach sender? I saw a couple of things called "tach drive" I believe
on
> >the
> >> >list, but I wasn't able to determine the appropriate part.
> >> >
> >> >)_( Dan
> >> >RV-7 N714D (finish)
> >> >http://www.rvproject.com
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
> >> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>;
"vansairforce"
> >> ><vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>; <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
> >> >Subject: RV-List: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic
Tach
> >> >Wiring
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
> >> >>
> >> >>Hey Bill. I did this same thing on my RV9A by using Van's Electronic
> >Tach
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >sender. You plug it into the manual tach cable location on the back
of
> >the
> >> >engine and it gives you a pulse signal that you feed into the EIS.
Works
> >> >great. I posted all the details about it to the RV list a few months
ago.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>- Andy Karmy
> >> >> RV9A Seattle WA 50hrs TT
> >> >> http://www.karmy.com/rv9a
> >> >>
> >> >>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> >> >>From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
> >> >>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:09:19 -0600
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>Thanks Joel...
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I think I need to be more specific... I want to know how to wire
it
> >all
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >up so that if you have the mag off, or the EI off, you still get a
tach
> >> >reading. On my 8A with an EIS, I have a toggle on the panel that
lets me
> >> >switch between the mags for the tach reading so I can see the rpms on
> >either
> >> >mag while I am doing the mag checks... Know what I mean?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>>-Bill
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >> >>>From: Joel Harding
> >> >>>To: rv8list@yahoogroups.com
> >> >>>Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 5:01 PM
> >> >>>Subject: Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach Wiring
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Hi Bill,
> >> >>>The control module for the Lightspeed Electronic Ignition has an
output
> >> >>>for an electronic tach, and my E. I. tach was modified to accept
the
> >> >>>square wave signal which it produces. I would think that would be
the
> >> >>>most accurate readout.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Joel Harding
> >> >>>On Thursday, April 24, 2003, at 03:22 PM, Bill VonDane wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>Stupid question number 5,690...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>What's the best way to wire an electronic tach into a systems that
has
> >> >>>>both
> >> >>>>a mag and an electronic ignition?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>-Bill VonDane
> >> >>>>RV-8A ~ N8WV
> >> >>>>www.vondane.com
> > > >>>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Parting concern... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "KostaLewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
>It is obviously your call, Brock, but I disagree with you here.
>I think it is VERY IMPORTANT that we have a DIVERSITY of views here on
this
>list.
>I don't always agree with what many have to say but I am glad they said
it.
Well, right. There are a lot of things said on any forum in haste. The
problem with this method of communication is that you can sit at home
(or work, in some cases) looking at your monitor, not at a person, and
say things you may not say to someone if they were right there.
As far as the discouraging words to the original poster (remember
that?), if I had listened to all the "experts" that had an opinion about
what I could and could not do in the course of my various
accomplishments, sometimes from close family members, I wouldn't have
gotten anything done, including building a great-flying airplane. The
"you can't do this" message that set this thread off was probably read
with amusement by the recipient and politely ignored, just like I did a
thousand times. And he'll go out and get things done however he needs to
do it.
We all have gotten flamed on this list at one time or another. A lot of
us are still here, taking it. Water off a duck. Leather Neck. What are
they going to do to me; send me to Nam? Nope. Fire away. Us old-time -4
drivers can TAKE it.
Bottom line: The List is a very valuable source of information regarding
the building and flying our airplanes. We all have opinions. Take the
wheat with the chaff; use what you need and DELETE the rest. Don't take
yourself so seriously. This is not the list that gets you into heaven.
Michael, LONG time lister
RV-4 N232 Suzie Q
My own pocket F-14
Do not archive, unless it will help someone else stay around
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| Subject: | Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach |
Wiring
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
By porky, I meant that the SD-8 is large enough diameter that it
doesn't leave enough room for a tach generator that fits on the
accessory case. But, there is enough room to mount the much smaller
diameter flex drive for the remote mounted tach generator that is
sold by Van.
Hope this is clearer. I could send you a digital picture of that
area if you want.
Kevin
>--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
>
>Kevin, I'm interested in your reply but don't understand it, so please
>forgive me for asking you to explain for a few who don't know what, " I
>needed the extended tach generator. The SD-8 is fairly porky ", means.
>
>Thanks. Do Not Archive
>
>Larry in Indiana, RV7 Tip-up O-360 3XG reserved.
>Working on Canopy of Finish Kit
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kevin Horton" <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: [VAF Mailing List] Re: [rv8list] Electronic Tach
>Wiring
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>>
>> I've got the SD-8 and I needed the extended tach generator. The SD-8
>> is fairly porky.
>>
>> Kevin Horton
>>
>> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
>> >
>> >What if I don't have a vacuum pump but I have an SD-8 alternator on the
>> >vacuum pump pad?
>> >
>> >Godspeed,
>> >
>> >Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
>> >RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Fuselage
>> >http://www.myrv7.com
> > >
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| Subject: | Fuel Transducer Mounting |
--> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
I am putting in an EI Fuel Flow monitor and have a question about mounting
the transducer. The directions say to mount the transducer with the 'wires
facing upward.' This means the bolts would have to be in the vertical plane.
It would greatly ease installation if I could mount it with the bolts in the
horizontal plane (90 degrees off the recommended direction).
Will mounting it sideways affect the operation? Why would it have to be in a
certain direction? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
-Mike Kraus
N223RV RV-4 60 hours!!
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| Subject: | Fly in at Rebel's Bluff |
--> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@attbi.com>
All of you who didn=B9t make it this year missed a great fly in. A beautiful
grass field, with hangar and gas pump. The Baptist Ladies served a tasty
barbecue lunch. It was great. Lots of entertainment too. Looked like at
least 30 or 40 RVs and one Rocket. A collection of other planes all
gorgeous. Also a large turnout of builders.
Very well organized.
My thanks to the hosts, and especially Les.
Denis in Denver. (but I wasn=B9t the furthest flyer by quite a bit.)
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| Subject: | Re: God bless Captain Angry, Engine rebuilding information |
--> RV-List message posted by: "2 at UT" <tomrv8@gvtc.com>
I have an RV-4 with the 160 hp engine, and my first prop was a Great
American 68 x 68. It was severly underpitched for my installation, as I
could get almost 3000 rpm at 8000 feet. I would assume your 68 x 66 Great
American would be even worse. I eventually replaced it with a 68 x 70 Ed
Sterba prop, and even this prop is slightly underpitched, but I can live
with it.
Tom
San Antonio
1005 hours
> --> RV-List message posted by: "rpmiller" <rpmiller@1usa.net>
>
> I also have a Great American prop 68x66, does anyone know if this was for
a 150hp or a 160hp engine? Its an RV4.
>
>
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<avionics-list@matronics.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" <dford@michweb.net>
I have the AK-350 encoder, an IK2000 engine monitor w/density altitude readout
(requiring gray code input, looping out to another device), Garmin GTX327, Garmin
GNC300XL. The transponder has a gray code input and 2 RS232 inputs to receive
Icarus or Shadin type altitude info. It also has altitude output in Icarus
format. The GPS has RS232 inputs to receive (I believe) Icarus or Shadin type
info (according to installation manual). It also has a 232 output channel
showing aviation type info (serial position, velocity, and navigation data) which
I'm not sure where that info is to be used.
I am currently thinking that from the encoder to the IK2000 with gray code
looping that out to the transponder with a RS232 output going to the GPS unit
with altitude info. Does that sound right?
Next for the Navaid A/P does it get steering info from the GPS RS232 output
NMEA format or from the GPS left/right steering info that would normally go to
a Nav Indicator? Do I need the Smart Coupler with this unit?
Dave Ford
RV6
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| Subject: | Parting concern... |
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QUOTE_TWICE_1,USER_IN_WHITELIST
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--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
James.
Well said.
Ditto.
Emphisis on getting personal. Unwanted here.
Mike
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: James E. Clark [mailto:james@nextupventures.com]
Subject: RE: RV-List: Parting concern...
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
It is obviously your call, Brock, but I disagree with you here.
I think it is VERY IMPORTANT that we have a DIVERSITY of views here on this
list.
I don't always agree with what many have to say but I am glad they said it.
Sometimes **WE** on this list get way too personal in our replies to people
with whom we disagree. Then said individuals decide to leave and although in
the short term some may say "good ridance", I think we all lose just a
little bit each time it happens, no matter who it was that left. <Clearly
unless of course they were being destructive>.
So I for one request that you hang around a while more.
By the way, I don't even remember what the real disagreement was about. I
just think it is good to have different views expressed in a respectful way
on lists like this. That, the comraderie and the generic info they provide
is what makes them so valuable.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Vaughn Brock
> Capt ESC/AWXO
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 3:54 PM
>
> After trite threats and comments of this nature I believe it
> would better serve me not to subscribe to this site any longer.
> Regretfully: Please un-subscribe
>
> Very Respectful
>
> Brock Vaughn 781 354-6656
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Transducer Mounting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
> I am putting in an EI Fuel Flow monitor and have a question about mounting
> the transducer. The directions say to mount the transducer with the
'wires
> facing upward.' This means the bolts would have to be in the vertical
plane.
> It would greatly ease installation if I could mount it with the bolts in
the
> horizontal plane (90 degrees off the recommended direction).
>
> Will mounting it sideways affect the operation? Why would it have to be
in a
> certain direction? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> -Mike Kraus
> N223RV RV-4 60 hours!!
Mike,
The jeweled bearings for the turbine in there are very sensitive and are
designed to be loaded in the manner prescribed, so do mount it as
instructed. In most installations you can easily fabricate a mount from a
piece of L-bracket.
Regards,
Randy Lervold
RV-8, 304 hrs
www.rv-8.com
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| Subject: | does top front panel carry load? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com
I am finishing up my RV9A - slider canopy. Does the top panel that covers
the cockpit from the firewall to the instrument panel carry any load? I want
to cut 2-3 access panels in the area over the avionics using platenuts to
hold the covers. Doing this would GREATLY ease access to wiring and avionics
repairs.
Any thoughts?
Kim Nicholas
RV9A
Seattle
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| Subject: | Can You Do This, Or will You Fail ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Austin" <6430@axion.net>
I have enjoyed reading the banter and exchange of views on the list these
days, relating to, what was the subject ?, some kid who wanted to fly or
build or what the heck was it anyway ?
An RV had to figure in there somehow....
I do agree that how words jump out from an anonymous keyboard can read back
in a very harsh and mainly unintended way as opposed to talking face to face
to a person.
I do this every day and my wife and I practically need an interpreter some
days....inflection can make a huge difference in whether I get a wooden
spoon on the head or a glass of wine as a kindness.
In the case of whether an inquirer asks a group if he can do
this or what he should do, I honestly think that they should be told
something like....( in gentle tones)...forget it, you can't do it
etc...because if that is all it takes to dissuade you from going after a
dream, then perhaps you don't really want it that bad....
Like another Rver on this list, I was always told that I couldn't do
such and such..would never make it, or didn't deserve it, etc., and that
only threw gas on the fire for me to prove them wrong..
Actually, the only real obstacle I had was ..tadaaa....no money......
I was once asked to take a horse to the starting gate that was barred from
racing until he behaved...nobody would do it and I was told he would flip
and go nuts, and part of that was true, and it was scary as hell, but I did
it..for me...to see if I could fight down the fear..or fail...
but when he got rolling, it was like a living P51 in my hands..poetry in
motion and he and I as one fairly flying in the wind.....the risk this time
was worth it ..he was beautiful and a bit nuts..something like my first girl
friend...but I grew up a bit that day.
When I finished the RV after years of work and no flying, and
certainly nothing before like an RV, I was a bit scared, and tried not to
show it, but darned if I wasn't going to the gate with this one since I did
all the work on it......I got a checkout, and then.......
At least I wasn't told I could not do this, I climbed aboard, picked up the
reins, the bell went, and we were off and climbing and way too busy to look
back or register what I was feeling..
Man, the cumulous look so white and puffy and make my paint reflect the
bright metallic off the canopy......racing along the edge of it with the bit
in her teeth, the needles of the gauges climbing still, I am along the edge
of the Pacific in no time..
My God, that is a lot of water out there and it goes on and on until you
can't see the end of it....
Funny, but fear never seemed to play a part in any of it once we ran off
together, not even when it came time to go back to the barn ....
First landings are very often the best ones....try to do that again....
The nicest lyric after the engine's sweet song is the notes of the chirp as
first one wheel kisses the tarmac and the other follows right now and I can
hear a lot better when the throttle is back.
Back to the barn to cool out and I don't mind walking around for a half hour
while she cools in her beautiful color and makes soft ticking sounds.....I
never tire of it, and I left my fear aloft somewhere..
The big surprise in my student flying days with the 140 was there
was no sensation of blazing speed.
That only happened when close to the grass for takeoff or
landing.....followed of course by my mouth and driving style after a
lesson...so the girl friend claimed....
An old Air Force instructor short on the bottle and long on valor showed me
what flying low and fast and canyon running was all about and I was
mesmerized by flying.
I never saw a riverbank twist as fast as a Diamondback like that before and
it was so grand..
I just wanted to fly and I was the only one in my family so
inclined.
Why didn't I take up the piano or become an accountant or something sensible
like that ?
Because then, I would never know what I was made of, even if the only one
who knows or cares is the one who looks back at this old dog in the mirror
....
I can go back to my books and pictures now and read of Corsairs and such and
say to the faces seen and unseen....." I can do that "......
And so can the young fellow who wonders the same..regardless of the answers
he gets.....
Austin
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Can You Do This, Or will You Fail ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Austin, you out do yourself each time you write. Great writing,
I hate to see you put the D*N*A at the end of this good stuff.
So I well remove it for later folks to read if they desire. As I told
you at Arlington one year I would love to have a copy of each one of
these you write.
Keep up the good work.
Jerry
------------------------------------------------
Austin wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Austin" <6430@axion.net>
>
> I have enjoyed reading the banter and exchange of views on the list these
> days, relating to, what was the subject ?, some kid who wanted to fly or
> build or what the heck was it anyway ?
> An RV had to figure in there somehow....
> I do agree that how words jump out from an anonymous keyboard can read back
> in a very harsh and mainly unintended way as opposed to talking face to face
> to a person.
> I do this every day and my wife and I practically need an interpreter some
> days....inflection can make a huge difference in whether I get a wooden
> spoon on the head or a glass of wine as a kindness.
> In the case of whether an inquirer asks a group if he can do
> this or what he should do, I honestly think that they should be told
> something like....( in gentle tones)...forget it, you can't do it
> etc...because if that is all it takes to dissuade you from going after a
> dream, then perhaps you don't really want it that bad....
> Like another Rver on this list, I was always told that I couldn't do
> such and such..would never make it, or didn't deserve it, etc., and that
> only threw gas on the fire for me to prove them wrong..
> Actually, the only real obstacle I had was ..tadaaa....no money......
> I was once asked to take a horse to the starting gate that was barred from
> racing until he behaved...nobody would do it and I was told he would flip
> and go nuts, and part of that was true, and it was scary as hell, but I did
> it..for me...to see if I could fight down the fear..or fail...
> but when he got rolling, it was like a living P51 in my hands..poetry in
> motion and he and I as one fairly flying in the wind.....the risk this time
> was worth it ..he was beautiful and a bit nuts..something like my first girl
> friend...but I grew up a bit that day.
> When I finished the RV after years of work and no flying, and
> certainly nothing before like an RV, I was a bit scared, and tried not to
> show it, but darned if I wasn't going to the gate with this one since I did
> all the work on it......I got a checkout, and then.......
> At least I wasn't told I could not do this, I climbed aboard, picked up the
> reins, the bell went, and we were off and climbing and way too busy to look
> back or register what I was feeling..
> Man, the cumulous look so white and puffy and make my paint reflect the
> bright metallic off the canopy......racing along the edge of it with the bit
> in her teeth, the needles of the gauges climbing still, I am along the edge
> of the Pacific in no time..
> My God, that is a lot of water out there and it goes on and on until you
> can't see the end of it....
> Funny, but fear never seemed to play a part in any of it once we ran off
> together, not even when it came time to go back to the barn ....
> First landings are very often the best ones....try to do that again....
> The nicest lyric after the engine's sweet song is the notes of the chirp as
> first one wheel kisses the tarmac and the other follows right now and I can
> hear a lot better when the throttle is back.
> Back to the barn to cool out and I don't mind walking around for a half hour
> while she cools in her beautiful color and makes soft ticking sounds.....I
> never tire of it, and I left my fear aloft somewhere..
> The big surprise in my student flying days with the 140 was there
> was no sensation of blazing speed.
> That only happened when close to the grass for takeoff or
> landing.....followed of course by my mouth and driving style after a
> lesson...so the girl friend claimed....
> An old Air Force instructor short on the bottle and long on valor showed me
> what flying low and fast and canyon running was all about and I was
> mesmerized by flying.
> I never saw a riverbank twist as fast as a Diamondback like that before and
> it was so grand..
> I just wanted to fly and I was the only one in my family so
> inclined.
> Why didn't I take up the piano or become an accountant or something sensible
> like that ?
> Because then, I would never know what I was made of, even if the only one
> who knows or cares is the one who looks back at this old dog in the mirror
> ....
> I can go back to my books and pictures now and read of Corsairs and such and
> say to the faces seen and unseen....." I can do that "......
> And so can the young fellow who wonders the same..regardless of the answers
> he gets.....
> Austin
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hello Austin,
Thank you for the breath of hope, the return of friendly support and the as
usual wonderful wordsmithing.
We are blessed,
Jim in Kelowna
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jaye and Scott Jackson <jayeandscott@shaw.ca>
Thank you, Austin, for a perfect ending to a beautiful day...
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Austin" <6430@axion.net>
Subject: RV-List: Can You Do This, Or will You Fail ?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Austin" <6430@axion.net>
>
> I have enjoyed reading the banter and exchange of views on the list these
> days, relating to, what was the subject ?, some kid who wanted to fly or
> build or what the heck was it anyway ?
> An RV had to figure in there somehow....
> I do agree that how words jump out from an anonymous keyboard can read
back
> in a very harsh and mainly unintended way as opposed to talking face to
face
> to a person.
> I do this every day and my wife and I practically need an interpreter some
> days....inflection can make a huge difference in whether I get a wooden
> spoon on the head or a glass of wine as a kindness.
> In the case of whether an inquirer asks a group if he can do
> this or what he should do, I honestly think that they should be told
> something like....( in gentle tones)...forget it, you can't do it
> etc...because if that is all it takes to dissuade you from going after a
> dream, then perhaps you don't really want it that bad....
> Like another Rver on this list, I was always told that I couldn't
do
> such and such..would never make it, or didn't deserve it, etc., and that
> only threw gas on the fire for me to prove them wrong..
> Actually, the only real obstacle I had was ..tadaaa....no money......
> I was once asked to take a horse to the starting gate that was barred from
> racing until he behaved...nobody would do it and I was told he would flip
> and go nuts, and part of that was true, and it was scary as hell, but I
did
> it..for me...to see if I could fight down the fear..or fail...
> but when he got rolling, it was like a living P51 in my hands..poetry in
> motion and he and I as one fairly flying in the wind.....the risk this
time
> was worth it ..he was beautiful and a bit nuts..something like my first
girl
> friend...but I grew up a bit that day.
> When I finished the RV after years of work and no flying, and
> certainly nothing before like an RV, I was a bit scared, and tried not to
> show it, but darned if I wasn't going to the gate with this one since I
did
> all the work on it......I got a checkout, and then.......
> At least I wasn't told I could not do this, I climbed aboard, picked up
the
> reins, the bell went, and we were off and climbing and way too busy to
look
> back or register what I was feeling..
> Man, the cumulous look so white and puffy and make my paint reflect the
> bright metallic off the canopy......racing along the edge of it with the
bit
> in her teeth, the needles of the gauges climbing still, I am along the
edge
> of the Pacific in no time..
> My God, that is a lot of water out there and it goes on and on until you
> can't see the end of it....
> Funny, but fear never seemed to play a part in any of it once we ran off
> together, not even when it came time to go back to the barn ....
> First landings are very often the best ones....try to do that again....
> The nicest lyric after the engine's sweet song is the notes of the chirp
as
> first one wheel kisses the tarmac and the other follows right now and I
can
> hear a lot better when the throttle is back.
> Back to the barn to cool out and I don't mind walking around for a half
hour
> while she cools in her beautiful color and makes soft ticking sounds.....I
> never tire of it, and I left my fear aloft somewhere..
> The big surprise in my student flying days with the 140 was there
> was no sensation of blazing speed.
> That only happened when close to the grass for takeoff or
> landing.....followed of course by my mouth and driving style after a
> lesson...so the girl friend claimed....
> An old Air Force instructor short on the bottle and long on valor showed
me
> what flying low and fast and canyon running was all about and I was
> mesmerized by flying.
> I never saw a riverbank twist as fast as a Diamondback like that before
and
> it was so grand..
> I just wanted to fly and I was the only one in my family so
> inclined.
> Why didn't I take up the piano or become an accountant or something
sensible
> like that ?
> Because then, I would never know what I was made of, even if the only one
> who knows or cares is the one who looks back at this old dog in the mirror
> ....
> I can go back to my books and pictures now and read of Corsairs and such
and
> say to the faces seen and unseen....." I can do that "......
> And so can the young fellow who wonders the same..regardless of the
answers
> he gets.....
> Austin
> do not archive
>
>
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