Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:10 AM - Re: Post-Mooney RV Wanna-Be (Dan Checkoway)
2. 01:03 AM - UPSAT GPS & Nav/Com new and cheap (Gary Coonan)
3. 02:59 AM - Circuit Breakers (Wayne R. Couture)
4. 03:42 AM - BECKER AR 4201 Com (J. R. Dial)
5. 05:13 AM - Re: Flight Testing (N13eer@aol.com)
6. 06:05 AM - Re: doo-hickeys (Pat Hatch)
7. 06:57 AM - Re: EIS fuel flow meter position (John H. Wiegenstein)
8. 07:09 AM - Les Featherston's fly-in (Frazier, Vincent A)
9. 07:21 AM - Re: EIS fuel flow meter position (Steve J Hurlbut)
10. 08:35 AM - Re: electrical power / current consumption (Phil Birkelbach)
11. 08:42 AM - Re: Flight Testing (Doug Rozendaal)
12. 08:54 AM - Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication Day (Scott Vanartsdalen)
13. 08:56 AM - Re: trailering my RV-4 (Scott Vanartsdalen)
14. 09:08 AM - Re: EIS fuel flow meter position (Don Mack)
15. 09:22 AM - pattern for stick boot? (WPAerial@aol.com)
16. 09:43 AM - Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport (Canyon)
17. 09:52 AM - Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication Day (Scott Vanartsdalen)
18. 09:59 AM - Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication Day (Terry Watson)
19. 10:05 AM - Re: doo-hickeys (HCRV6@aol.com)
20. 10:11 AM - Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication Day (John)
21. 10:15 AM - Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport (Canyon)
22. 10:29 AM - Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication Day (C. Rabaut)
23. 10:33 AM - Re: trailering my RV-4 (kempthornes)
24. 10:34 AM - Re: Circuit Breakers (kempthornes)
25. 10:36 AM - Offending Signatures : was- EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Air (Bartrim, Todd)
26. 10:38 AM - Re: trailering my RV-4 (Scott Vanartsdalen)
27. 10:56 AM - Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication Day (Jim Norman)
28. 10:56 AM - Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication Day (Dr. Kevin P. Leathers)
29. 11:25 AM - Non-RV rants, was: EAA Chapter 90, Alternative engines, primer wars, (Jeff Point)
30. 11:25 AM - OT Fanaticism (was: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring....) (Bill Dube)
31. 11:30 AM - Re: pattern for stick boot? (Scott Bilinski)
32. 11:40 AM - Re: Circuit Breakers (Bill Dube)
33. 12:00 PM - N664SB 100Hr. Report (Stein Bruch)
34. 12:14 PM - Re: Circuit Breakers (lucky macy)
35. 12:38 PM - Re: Circuit Breakers (Bill VonDane)
36. 01:08 PM - Re: Offending Signatures : was- EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring (Chris W)
37. 01:14 PM - Re: N664SB 100Hr. Report (Bill VonDane)
38. 01:27 PM - Re: Offending Signatures : was- EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring (Chris W)
39. 01:27 PM - Re: Circuit Breakers (Laird Owens)
40. 01:27 PM - Re: N664SB 100Hr. Report (Evan and Megan Johnson)
41. 02:07 PM - Washington, DC RV'ers... (Bill VonDane)
42. 02:59 PM - Fw: RV6-List: N664SB 100Hr. Report (C. Rabaut)
43. 03:02 PM - Was Circuit Breakers now Solar Powered Airplane (Larry Pardue)
44. 03:15 PM - Re: Washington, DC RV'ers... (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
45. 03:33 PM - BUILDING ON THE CHEAP! (Scott Bilinski)
46. 03:38 PM - IO-320-C1A basket case on eBay (Bill Dube)
47. 04:03 PM - Re: trailering my RV-4 (Ross Schlotthauer)
48. 04:14 PM - Re: Circuit Breakers (Gary Zilik)
49. 04:23 PM - Solar Powered Airplane (Laird Owens)
50. 04:27 PM - Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication Day (Dr. Leathers)
51. 04:35 PM - Re: Rebuilding your engine (Mark McGee)
52. 05:01 PM - Re: trailering my RV-4 (Joe Hine)
53. 05:01 PM - Re: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP! (Tracy Crook)
54. 05:10 PM - Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication Day (Joe Hine)
55. 05:52 PM - Re: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP! (Dave Bristol)
56. 05:56 PM - Metallic Yellow Paint (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
57. 06:09 PM - Re: N664SB 100Hr. (Sensenich repitch) (Chris Good)
58. 06:09 PM - Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication Day (Chris W)
59. 06:12 PM - Re: Circuit Breakers (Bill VonDane)
60. 06:55 PM - Oakdale Airport Appreciation Day (Scott Vanartsdalen)
61. 06:58 PM - Fw: Metallic Yellow Paint (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
62. 07:07 PM - Faith-based content (Ed Holyoke)
63. 08:21 PM - Re: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP! (Bill VonDane)
64. 08:44 PM - RV transition training in Michigan (Dave Ford)
65. 10:56 PM - Website / Builder Log Template ()
66. 11:06 PM - Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication (Jerry Springer)
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| Subject: | Re: Post-Mooney RV Wanna-Be |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Jim,
I am a former Mooney '76 M20F and '77 M20J owner. I'm still in love with
Mooneys. http://www.rvproject.com/m20j/why_mooney.html
However...there came a time when for many reasons building an RV-7 became
the thing for me. I wrote a very long diatribe about it here:
http://www.rvproject.com/decision.html It talks about my many reasons for
wanting to build a plane and how I settled on the RV-7. Sounds like you are
in a very similar position to where I was just a short while ago.
Best of luck,
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (finish)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Murphy" <rv@murphymotorsports.com>
Subject: RV-List: Post-Mooney RV Wanna-Be
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Murphy" <rv@murphymotorsports.com>
>
>
> Greetings all. I've been an RV fan for a number of years and I'm
thinking
> heavily about making the move from a Mooney M20J into an RV. Preferably
> an -8, while I'll consider a -7/-6 if She Who Must Be Obeyed is totally
> opposed to the "sittin' in back" part.
>
> I seem to recall noting that there's a number of ex-Mooney folks flying
> RV's, some on this list. Can any of you offer advice/opinions on your
> transition? What were you looking for in the RV, did you get it? What do
> you miss from the Mooney that's no longer there?
>
> I'm also seeking advice on the best way to make the transition. Of
course,
> there's build it, buy it, and the hybrid finish someone else's partial
kit.
>
> What's the biggest "gotcha" in terms of looking at the finishing someone
> else's kit plan? What's the most common reason for failure for folks that
> do that?
>
> Thanks in Advance,
> Jim Murphy
> M20J "201"
>
> P.S. If there are any folks in the Nashua, NH area (or folks that
wouldn't
> mind a free lunch for flying up to Nashua) that would let me wife climb in
> the back seat of an RV-8 so she can see what it's like, please let me know
> privately at jsm@murphymotorsports.com.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | UPSAT GPS & Nav/Com new and cheap |
<210691D7AF75D6119B7900508B8BD11956AA71@sbserver.stingerindustries.com>
"rv-list@matronics.com"
<210691D7AF75D6119B7900508B8BD1192DBFCE@sbserver.stingerindustries.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Coonan <gcoonan@comcast.net>
I just ordered the new UPS CNX80 therefore I need to sell my SL30 and
GX60
GX-60 $3550 (list $5195)
SL-30 $2850 (list $4155)
They are both brand new, never been mounted or powered. Just opened the
boxes to look. Let me know.
Gary M. Coonan .
RV-7 Avionics
gcoonan@comcast.net
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Circuit Breakers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
Recently I've seen people selling circuit breakers on the list for up to $22.00
each. Here's a link for "Klixon" aircraft breakers for $14.00 each up to
20 amp. Save those pennies for that engine!
http://www.flamecorp.com/index.html
Wayne
RV-8A
wiring
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| Subject: | BECKER AR 4201 Com |
--> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
I posted this once before but through computer screw up I
don't know if I got an answer. I am using a Becker AR 4201 in my RV6 and
wanted input from somebody that has used the intercom feature and if
they are satisfied? Can answer off list. THANKS.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Testing |
--> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
Keven wrote:
Of course, you should take a quick
glance at the ASI during the take-off roll just to make sure that it
is actually indicating, and isn't sitting at zero. A dead ASI on the
first flight is probably more excitement than you really need.
You do have a backup plan for this don't you? Before first flight I went through
what I would do if any piece of equipment failed. GPS was my backup for altimiter
and airspeed. When the ASI was way off I used the GPS for approach.
I knew I was fast with a head wind but with an 8000' runway I was not worried
about over running.
Alan Kritzman
RV-8 N8EM
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Bill, I have also heard them called Wilkie buttons, no idea why.
do not archive
Pat Hatch
RV-4
RV-6
Vero Beach, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
<vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: doo-hickeys
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Anyone know the name of those little spring loaded hole thingies you put
in
> your wheel pants to get to the valve stem? Also, isn't there an extension
> available for that too?
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Bill
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EIS fuel flow meter position |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John H. Wiegenstein" <johnw@hellerwiegenstein.com>
Amit, I have the Vans's FWF kit with the fuel pump mounted in the firewall
center (cockpit side) and gascolator on the right, as per plan. I have the
RMI uMonitor, using the FloScan sensor which is likely the same as used by
GRT. I did not see a particularly good location for the sensor on the
engine side of the firewall, so installed it in line between the electric
pump and gascolator, wires pointing up. It gives me about 3+ inches of
pretty smooth inlet run before the sensor, which hopefully will suffice. I
did not install a bracket for it, as it is a pretty rigid assy due to the
short lengths of 3/8 AL tube, and it bears up against the firewall
cross-brace, but will keep an eye on it - my impression is that the sensor
is light enough in this configuration that vibration is not likely to create
a problem. Also, this kept the wiring inside, which was a plus, though adds
more AN connections inside too, which conceivably is a minus . . . . just
can't have it all. I'll send pix off-list.
John H. Wiegenstein
Hansville, WA
RV-6 S/N 23961 - N727JW (reserved)
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| Subject: | Les Featherston's fly-in |
"RV-List Digest (E-mail)" <rv-list-digest@matronics.com>,
"Indyrvs (E-mail)" <indyrvs@bravoavtech.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Les Featherston's flyin report:
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Photo%20Gallery.html
Very fun!
Vince
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| Subject: | Re: EIS fuel flow meter position |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve J Hurlbut" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
On the floor under the center console where the fuel lines and brake lines
run up to the firewall.
Depending on what fuel flow sensor you have, you may have to modify the
cover (i.e. increase the
height by 1" or so) to clear the sensors and wires.
Steve
RV7A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Amit Dagan" <amitdagan@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: EIS fuel flow meter position
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Amit Dagan" <amitdagan@hotmail.com>
>
>
> For those with a firewall mounted gascolator on a side-by-side model, who
> have the Grand Rapids EIS engine monitor system, where did you position
your
> fuel flow sensor ?
>
> Thanks,
> Amit.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: electrical power / current consumption |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Amit Dagan" <amitdagan@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: electrical power / current consumption
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Amit Dagan" <amitdagan@hotmail.com>
>
> For the following items, how many Amps should I plan for when wiring:
>
> Landing light (55 watt)
About 4.5 amps but you may want to run 16AWG wire in case you decide to
upgrade to 100W later. I have done this just in case. I never hurts to use
bigger wire.
> Starter
For the starter it will be hundreds of amps, but is for short duration so
4AWG or 2AWG will work and is more of a function of how long the wire run
will be. The starter circuit that runs from the button to the relay
shouldn't need more than an amp or two
> Turn coordinator
> Clock
> Altitude encoder
Don't know, but probably not more than an amp.
> Electric flap motor
Van's motor pulled just under 3A when I tested it under as much load as I
could put on it by hand. BTW I could hardly get it to stall. I don't think
the aerodynamic loads will be near that.
> Electronic ignition
The Lightspeed Plasma II shows 1.2A for 4 cylinder on the website.
> Alternator field
Couple of Amps.
>
>
> Thank you much,
> Amit.
>
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Fuselage
http://www.myrv7.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Testing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
> You do have a backup plan for this don't you? Before first flight I went
through what I would do if any piece of equipment failed. GPS was my backup
for altimiter and airspeed. When the ASI was way off I used the GPS for
approach. I knew I was fast with a head wind but with an 8000' runway I was
not worried about over running.
>
> Alan Kritzman
> RV-8 N8EM
I agree with Alan and Kevin's comments, but I will take a little more direct
approach. We are not talking about swept wing jets here. Anyone who plans
to test fly (first flight) a new airplane should be able to easily fly that
type of airplane with out reference to ANY instruments on the panel. If
that sounds scary, or beyond your capabilities, maybe you should rethink
what you are preparing to do. No one in my family will be on the passenger
list of anyone who cannot safely fly their (straight-wing) airplane without
looking at the panel.
If you believe you fit in that group, get a safety pilot or instructor,
cover the gauges so you can't see them and go flying. You will be shocked
how easy it is and it will be a real confidence builder when (not if) you
plug up your pitot tube. Confidence is really important because, in your
airplane, your job, or your marriage, once you lose confidence in a
successful outcome, you can be pretty confident the outcome will not be
good.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication Day |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Cool!! I'm being persecuted for my beliefs!! Seriously, though I can't believe
an email signature offends you that much. We're you half joking or are you totally
serious? I'm not going to change my signature. I'll pick a different
Bible verse each week if it makes you feel better. :-) But unless I'm driven
out by Matt himself you'll continue to see those cute little signatures. I mean,
I'm not trying to convince *you* of anything. :-) :-) I truly am sorry if
my sig offends you. You can configure your email client to automatically delete
my messages if you want. I'm sure plenty of folks already do that! :-D PS.
Please note all the smileys above. This isn't a flame and I'm not offended
at all. Just stating facts.
Vanremog@aol.com wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 4/28/2003 3:10:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
svanarts@yahoo.com writes:
> For God says, "At just the right time, I heard you. On the day of salvation,
> I helped you." Indeed, God is ready to help you right now. Today is the
> day of salvation.
Scott-
As a matter of fact, he's helping me write this at the moment. Just kidding.
But seriously, maybe we could give the cute little evening bible study a
rest. If you are really into it, we can play the fun new reality game "folk
tales vs science". You could choose the juiciest parables and I could bring
up arcane historical facts and get really wound up on tedious scientific,
technological and/or archaeological rants. We could get everyone so riled up
that a jihad would have to be called at AirVenture, the grounds would get
trashed and no one would ever get their planes built. Is that what you want?
;o).
Do not archive.
-GV (RV-6A N1GV 598hrs)
--
For God says, "At just the right time, I heard you. On the day of salvation, I
helped you." Indeed, God is ready to help you right now. Today is the day of
salvation.
2 Corinthians 6:2, New Living Translation
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| Subject: | Re: trailering my RV-4 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
If you have access to a good sized truck and flat bed trailer that will move your
plane just fine. That the way I did it. Actually it was a friend with a low-boy
trailer and semi. A bit of overkill but it all worked out.
Ron Patterson <scc_ron@yahoo.com> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Patterson
Hello Guys, I have the need to move my RV-4 from the shop where it was built to
the airport. Have about 4-6 months of engine work and avionics and then it will
be ready for inspection and that 'first flight'. Anybody have any suggestions
on how to move this aircraft, safely, some 250 miles??? I thought of an enclosed
moving van, but the horizontal stabilizer is 100" tip to tip ...most trucks
are a max of 96" (outside box measurements). I could tilt it, but fear the
tying down would result in tweaking of the Fuselage. What about a car trailer
with the tail exposed?? I just don't want to screw up 4 years of work in a poorly
conceived transfer. So....any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Ron PattersonN. California
--
For God says, "At just the right time, I heard you. On the day of salvation, I
helped you." Indeed, God is ready to help you right now. Today is the day of
salvation.
2 Corinthians 6:2, New Living Translation
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| Subject: | EIS fuel flow meter position |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Mack" <don@dmack.net>
I mounted mine under the right landing gear (6a) mount.
http://www.dmack.net/imagepages/plumbing2.html
don
>-----Original Message-----
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Amit Dagan" <amitdagan@hotmail.com>
>For those with a firewall mounted gascolator on a side-by-side model, who
>have the Grand Rapids EIS engine monitor system, where did you position
>your fuel flow sensor ?
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| Subject: | pattern for stick boot? |
--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
Anyone know where I can get a pattern for rv6 control stick boot?
do not archive
Jerry wilken
Albany Oregon
rv6a n699wp
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport |
Apprication Day
--> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
Scott Vanartsdalen wrote:
>I mean, I'm not trying to convince *you* of anything. :-) :-) I truly
>am sorry if my sig offends you.
---
Well, of course, you are -- if not, why would you send to everyone on
the list?
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication Day |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Do you understand what a signature is? Do you understand that email can be used
for more than just the RV-List? :-) So for the anti-christians out there I
have placed a warning in my signature. Once you see it, HIDE YOUR EYES!! You
might see something YIKES!! Religeous! Ohmahgoodness! Hide the women and
children!! :-D You guys have me rolling!
Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: Canyon
Scott Vanartsdalen wrote:
>I mean, I'm not trying to convince *you* of anything. :-) :-) I truly
>am sorry if my sig offends you.
---
Well, of course, you are -- if not, why would you send to everyone on
the list?
Steve
WARNING: Faith-based content follows!
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For God says, "At just the right time, I heard you. On the day of salvation, I
helped you." Indeed, God is ready to help you right now. Today is the day of
salvation.
2 Corinthians 6:2, New Living Translation
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| Subject: | EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication Day |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Scott,
GV isn't the only one that finds your bible passages offensive and
inappropriate on the RV list. We have been through all this before. There
are few things more annoying than some True Believer in whatever fad or
superstition or New Truth who feels compelled to confront everyone else with
his Great Discovery. As for automatic delete, the only way I have been able
to get Microsoft Explorer to do that would be to delete all RV list
messages, and that kind of defeats the purpose of subscribing.
Show a little respect for the other subscribers. We aren't all American and
we aren't all male and we sure as hell aren't all Christian.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott Vanartsdalen
Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication
Day
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Cool!! I'm being persecuted for my beliefs!! Seriously, though I can't
believe an email signature offends you that much. We're you half joking or
are you totally serious? I'm not going to change my signature. I'll pick a
different Bible verse each week if it makes you feel better. :-) But unless
I'm driven out by Matt himself you'll continue to see those cute little
signatures. I mean, I'm not trying to convince *you* of anything. :-) :-) I
truly am sorry if my sig offends you. You can configure your email client
to automatically delete my messages if you want. I'm sure plenty of folks
already do that! :-D PS. Please note all the smileys above. This isn't a
flame and I'm not offended at all. Just stating facts.
Vanremog@aol.com wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 4/28/2003 3:10:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
svanarts@yahoo.com writes:
> For God says, "At just the right time, I heard you. On the day of
salvation,
> I helped you." Indeed, God is ready to help you right now. Today is the
> day of salvation.
Scott-
As a matter of fact, he's helping me write this at the moment. Just kidding.
But seriously, maybe we could give the cute little evening bible study a
rest. If you are really into it, we can play the fun new reality game "folk
tales vs science". You could choose the juiciest parables and I could bring
up arcane historical facts and get really wound up on tedious scientific,
technological and/or archaeological rants. We could get everyone so riled up
that a jihad would have to be called at AirVenture, the grounds would get
trashed and no one would ever get their planes built. Is that what you want?
;o).
Do not archive.
-GV (RV-6A N1GV 598hrs)
--
For God says, "At just the right time, I heard you. On the day of salvation,
I helped you." Indeed, God is ready to help you right now. Today is the day
of salvation.
2 Corinthians 6:2, New Living Translation
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--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 4/28/03 2:33:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bill@vondane.com
writes:
<< Anyone know the name of those little spring loaded hole thingies you put in
your wheel pants to get to the valve stem? Also, isn't there an extension
available for that too? >>
I think the technical name is "spring loaded hole thingies". Sorry, I
couldn't resist and obviously don't know the answer. However, Cleveland
sells the tire valve extender your are looking for.
Do Not Archive
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, firewall forward
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication Day |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
No, Scott, you are not being persecuated for your beliefs - you're being
critized for imposing them on unwilling others.
John at Salida, CO
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport |
Apprication Day
--> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
Scott Vanartsdalen wrote:
>Do you understand what a signature is?
Yes, of course. Informative signatures can be very useful. Signatures
campaigning for some cause or another are generally quite useless. In
fact, the list is about building and flying RVs -- at best 'cause'
signatures will invariably provoke divisive remarks at random; at
worst, they can destroy an otherwise quite healthy and helpful list.
In particular, politics and religion have no place, nor useful purpose,
on a list dedicated to building and flying airplanes.
> Do you understand that email can be used for more than just the
> RV-List?
And of course many lists forbid them outright unless they add germane
information.
> :-) So for the anti-christians out there I have placed a warning
> in my signature. Once you see it, HIDE YOUR EYES!! You might see
> something YIKES!! Religeous! Ohmahgoodness! Hide the women and
> children!! :-D You guys have me rolling!
Excuse me, your immaturity is showing, I do believe. You have no idea
if I'm anti-religious (yes, you can't even spell it) OR anti-Christian,
I'm not offended, my women and children never hide from reality but
face life head on and I couldn't care less whether you have a signature
or not. It bothers me not -- 'cause' signatures have about 1 chance in
a billion of suddenly changing any sane person's perspective of the
real world.
But to claim that it's not your intent to influence anyone else with
your signature is simply not true even to the doctrine you
espouse. Think about it...
Regards,
Steve
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication Day |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Where do I sign-up for this Jihad?
Chuck
do not archive
----- Original Message ----- > svanarts@yahoo.com writes:
>
> > For God says, "At just the right time, I heard you. On the day of
salvation,
> > I helped you." Indeed, God is ready to help you right now. Today is the
> > day of salvation.
>
> Scott-
>
> As a matter of fact, he's helping me write this at the moment. Just
kidding.
>
> But seriously, maybe we could give the cute little evening bible study a
> rest. If you are really into it, we can play the fun new reality game
"folk
> tales vs science". You could choose the juiciest parables and I could
bring
> up arcane historical facts and get really wound up on tedious scientific,
> technological and/or archaeological rants. We could get everyone so riled
up
> that a jihad would have to be called at AirVenture, the grounds would get
> trashed and no one would ever get their planes built. Is that what you
want?
> ;o).
>
> Do not archive.
>
> -GV (RV-6A N1GV 598hrs)
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| Subject: | Re: trailering my RV-4 |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
I moved my 6a from Santa Clara to Stockton (75 miles heavy traffic
freeways) on a flat bed trailer. I rented it from an aviation guy in
Hollister. Auto trailers were not wide enough for the wheels.
hal
At 06:55 PM 4/28/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Patterson <scc_ron@yahoo.com>
>
>Hello Guys, I have the need to move my RV-4 from the shop where it was
>built to the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Circuit Breakers |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 04:58 AM 4/29/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
>
> Recently I've seen people selling circuit breakers on the list for up
> to $22.00 each. Here's a link for "Klixon" aircraft breakers for $14.00
> each up to 20 amp. Save those pennies for that engine!
Fuses are cheaper still - and better.
>====================================================================
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Offending Signatures : was- EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale |
Air
port Appreciation Day
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bartrim, Todd" <sbartrim@mail.canfor.ca>
Maybe you guy's have real short memories, but didn't you just
sacrifice a few good men fighting to give an entire nation the right to
practice their religion and enjoy freedoms that are mankind's right......
or was it really just about the oil?
Go ahead and sign your messages anyway you want Scott. As long as
you don't use the body of the messages as a forum for preaching, you've
committed no sin on the "list"
I wonder if anybody is offended by my signature? Or how 'bout
Electric Bob and his signature?
And can somebody tell me what the h*** this has to do with Oakdale's
airport appreciation day? How about making an effort to have the subject
line reflect the contents of the letter. This one should have been titled
"whining from a heathen with nothing better to do" ;-)
Do Not Archive
S. Todd Bartrim
Turbo 13B rotary powered
RX-9endurance (FWF)
C-FSTB (reserved)
http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
"Imagination is more important than knowledge"
-Albert Einstein
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Canyon [SMTP:steve.canyon@verizon.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 9:36 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport
> Apprication Day
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
>
> Scott Vanartsdalen wrote:
> >I mean, I'm not trying to convince *you* of anything. :-) :-) I truly
> >am sorry if my sig offends you.
> ---
> Well, of course, you are -- if not, why would you send to everyone on
> the list?
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">
<META NAME"Generator" CONTENT"MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2653.12">
Offending Signatures : was- EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Appreciation
Day
Maybe you guy's have real short memories, but didn't you just sacrifice a few
good men fighting to give an entire nation the right to practice their religion
and enjoy freedoms that are mankind's right...... or was it really just about
the oil?
Go ahead and sign your messages anyway you want Scott. As long as you don't use
the body of the messages as a forum for preaching, you've committed no sin on
the list
I wonder if anybody is offended by my signature? Or how 'bout Electric Bob and
his signature?
And can somebody tell me what the h*** this has to do with Oakdale's airport appreciation
day? How about making an effort to have the subject line reflect the
contents of the letter. This one should have been titled whining from a heathen
with nothing better to do ;-)
Do Not Archive
S. Todd Bartrim
Turbo 13B rotary powered
RX-9endurance (FWF)
C-FSTB (reserved)
<A HREF"http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm" TARGET"_blank">http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
Imagination is more important than knowledge
-Albert Einstein
-----Original Message-----
From: Canyon [SMTP:steve.canyon@verizon.net]
Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication Day
-- RV-List message posted by: Canyon steve.canyon@verizon.net
Scott Vanartsdalen wrote:
I mean, I'm not trying to convince *you* of anything. :-) :-) I truly
am sorry if my sig offends you.
---
Well, of course, you are -- if not, why would you send to everyone on
the list?
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: trailering my RV-4 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
EAA Chapter 90 has one in Oakdale free for member use. Costs $20 to join.
kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes
I moved my 6a from Santa Clara to Stockton (75 miles heavy traffic
freeways) on a flat bed trailer. I rented it from an aviation guy in
Hollister. Auto trailers were not wide enough for the wheels.
hal
At 06:55 PM 4/28/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Patterson
>
>Hello Guys, I have the need to move my RV-4 from the shop where it was
>built to the airport.
WARNING: Faith-based content follows!
--
For God says, "At just the right time, I heard you. On the day of salvation, I
helped you." Indeed, God is ready to help you right now. Today is the day of
salvation.
2 Corinthians 6:2, New Living Translation
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| Subject: | EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication Day |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Norman" <jgnorman@tampabay.rr.com>
Gentlemen,
Mellow out.
This is not as big a deal as you are making it.
MELLOW OUT... have a thicker skin,
Go fly, or build... what ever makes you mellow out.
RELAX!!!!!! Don't let this get out of hand! One fight per week is too
much, and we've met our quota!
jim
Tampa
Razzmatazz, 6A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry Watson
Subject: RE: RV-List: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport
Apprication Day
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Scott,
GV isn't the only one that finds your bible passages offensive and
inappropriate on the RV list. We have been through all this before. There
are few things more annoying than some True Believer in whatever fad or
superstition or New Truth who feels compelled to confront everyone else with
his Great Discovery. As for automatic delete, the only way I have been able
to get Microsoft Explorer to do that would be to delete all RV list
messages, and that kind of defeats the purpose of subscribing.
Show a little respect for the other subscribers. We aren't all American and
we aren't all male and we sure as hell aren't all Christian.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott Vanartsdalen
Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication
Day
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Cool!! I'm being persecuted for my beliefs!! Seriously, though I can't
believe an email signature offends you that much. We're you half joking or
are you totally serious? I'm not going to change my signature. I'll pick a
different Bible verse each week if it makes you feel better. :-) But unless
I'm driven out by Matt himself you'll continue to see those cute little
signatures. I mean, I'm not trying to convince *you* of anything. :-) :-) I
truly am sorry if my sig offends you. You can configure your email client
to automatically delete my messages if you want. I'm sure plenty of folks
already do that! :-D PS. Please note all the smileys above. This isn't a
flame and I'm not offended at all. Just stating facts.
Vanremog@aol.com wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 4/28/2003 3:10:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
svanarts@yahoo.com writes:
> For God says, "At just the right time, I heard you. On the day of
salvation,
> I helped you." Indeed, God is ready to help you right now. Today is the
> day of salvation.
Scott-
As a matter of fact, he's helping me write this at the moment. Just kidding.
But seriously, maybe we could give the cute little evening bible study a
rest. If you are really into it, we can play the fun new reality game "folk
tales vs science". You could choose the juiciest parables and I could bring
up arcane historical facts and get really wound up on tedious scientific,
technological and/or archaeological rants. We could get everyone so riled up
that a jihad would have to be called at AirVenture, the grounds would get
trashed and no one would ever get their planes built. Is that what you want?
;o).
Do not archive.
-GV (RV-6A N1GV 598hrs)
--
For God says, "At just the right time, I heard you. On the day of salvation,
I helped you." Indeed, God is ready to help you right now. Today is the day
of salvation.
2 Corinthians 6:2, New Living Translation
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication Day |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
I believe that Matt does indeed specifically ask that listers NOT use this
type of signature because it takes up extra space in the archives. I doubt
that it will matter to Scott though. He's on a "mission from God";-)
Do not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Vanartsdalen" <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication
Day
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
>
> Cool!! I'm being persecuted for my beliefs!! Seriously, though I can't
believe an email signature offends you that much. We're you half joking or
are you totally serious? I'm not going to change my signature. I'll pick a
different Bible verse each week if it makes you feel better. :-) But unless
I'm driven out by Matt himself you'll continue to see those cute little
signatures. I mean, I'm not trying to convince *you* of anything. :-) :-) I
truly am sorry if my sig offends you. You can configure your email client
to automatically delete my messages if you want. I'm sure plenty of folks
already do that! :-D PS. Please note all the smileys above. This isn't a
flame and I'm not offended at all. Just stating facts.
>
> Vanremog@aol.com wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 4/28/2003 3:10:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> svanarts@yahoo.com writes:
>
> > For God says, "At just the right time, I heard you. On the day of
salvation,
> > I helped you." Indeed, God is ready to help you right now. Today is the
> > day of salvation.
>
> Scott-
>
> As a matter of fact, he's helping me write this at the moment. Just
kidding.
>
> But seriously, maybe we could give the cute little evening bible study a
> rest. If you are really into it, we can play the fun new reality game
"folk
> tales vs science". You could choose the juiciest parables and I could
bring
> up arcane historical facts and get really wound up on tedious scientific,
> technological and/or archaeological rants. We could get everyone so riled
up
> that a jihad would have to be called at AirVenture, the grounds would get
> trashed and no one would ever get their planes built. Is that what you
want?
> ;o).
>
> Do not archive.
>
> -GV (RV-6A N1GV 598hrs)
>
>
> --
>
> For God says, "At just the right time, I heard you. On the day of
salvation, I helped you." Indeed, God is ready to help you right now. Today
is the day of salvation.
>
> 2 Corinthians 6:2, New Living Translation
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Non-RV rants, was: EAA Chapter 90, Alternative engines, primer |
wars,
etc.
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
The recent rants on the list have given birth to an idea in my peanut
brain. Forgive me if this has been suggested before:
With the huge number of lists on Matronic's server (take a look at the
subscription page, there are a bunch of 'em) I propose that Matt create
another list, the "Non-RV Rant and Rave List." No, I'm serious. It
could be set up like any other list, in that one must subscribe if one
wants to get list mail. All of these rants could be moved onto this
list so as not to muddy the waters on the RV list. It could be set up
so none of it is archived, so as not to take up space on Matt's server.
And people who want to continue these rants would have a forum to do
so, without lowering the signal-to-noise ratio on this list.
Or maybe it's a dumb idea. Go ahead and say so, my skin is pretty thick. ;)
Matt, what do you think?
Jeff Point
RV-6 FWF
Milwaukee WI
Almost forgot- do not archive.
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| Subject: | OT Fanaticism (was: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring....) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>
>Scott,
>
>GV isn't the only one that finds your bible passages offensive and
>inappropriate on the RV list.
I agree entirely. This list is NOT a forum for religious,
political, or other topics not directly related to RVs. Discuss these
elsewhere on lists devoted to these topics. There are plenty of them.
>>> An observation <<<<
Generally, I've noticed that folks that insist on forcing their
religious views on others are doing it in a vain attempt to convince
themselves, not the others. Conversely, "true believers" feel no need to
force their flavor of religion on others, but are quietly at ease with
their personal philosophy.
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| Subject: | Re: pattern for stick boot? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Start with a cheap gear shift boot for a car and see if that will work for you.
At 12:21 PM 4/29/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
>
>Anyone know where I can get a pattern for rv6 control stick boot?
>
>do not archive
>
>Jerry wilken
>Albany Oregon
>rv6a n699wp
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Circuit Breakers |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>
>Fuses are cheaper still - and better.
Fuses are "different" but not necessarily "better."
I had electrical failures in two different aircraft. One plane had
fuses and the other had circuit breakers. It was completely impossible for
me to find the bad fuse and to change it while in flight (especially at
night with the lights not working.) I put the flashlight in my mouth and
landed the plane with no lights. Definitely no fun at all.
Conversely, finding the tripped breaker and resetting it was no
problem at all. I could have done it by feel in the dark if need be. I had
to reset it twice, actually, to get the gear to come down. This would have
been very very difficult, if not impossible, with fuses.
One more nice thing about circuit breakers is that when you reset
it, you can't make a mistake and put in the wrong current rating or time
rating. Replacing a fuse with one of the wrong rating can easily cause a
fire. That is why fuses are no longer allowed for residential distribution
panels.
Fuses are, indeed, cheap, however.
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| Subject: | N664SB 100Hr. Report |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Hi All,
I've just completed a short "100hr." report on my green machine, and I was
going to post it here, but I decided just to put it on my website.
Seems as of late the only way to get good discussion on this list is to post
a note about Religion, Politics, Egos, Military Service, Spam Software, Just
plain stupid notes, worthless bantering, defensive reponses, expert opinions
by people who've never even shot a rivet, personal flaming, et.al.
Everyone is getting WAYYYYYYYY to carried away with all of the above "stuff"
and seem to be forgetting that the "delete" key works pretty well. And, for
those of you who feel you must respond to idiotic notes about how superior
Joe Bob is, or what religion you like, or how it's impossible to build one
of these on the cheap, or other rambling soliloquies, for PETES SAKE, PUT A
DO NOT ARCHIVE somewhere in it. Do you really think people in the future
are going to search about your opinion of military service, politics,
religion, spam management software, etc.. in a list titles "RV LIST"??? -
THINK.
Keep it up and slowly but surely, every TRULY experienced builder/flyer with
PERTINENT good information will quit watching/responding to this list, and
everyone loses an invaluable resource to these planes. It's already
happening, and if you continue to use this list as a chat room, that's all
that will be left. Garbage in - Garbage out.
There. I'm done! If you want to read my report, go to
http://www.steinair.com and click on 100hr. report. Otherwise....DELETE and
DO NOT ARCHIVE!
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
RV6-N664SB-100hrs. Minneapolis.
P.S., my current RV6 project will have an overhauled lycoming, nice panel,
sensenich metal prop, etc.. for less than $20K....It CAN be done!
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| Subject: | Re: Circuit Breakers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
how about a mixed approach?
CBs for things you REALLY don't want to mess with fuses with and Fuses for
things you can continue on safely without?
I suppose the answer to that is as "pilot preference" as anything else we do
and no consensus will be found but something for each to think about.
In the AF, the rule of thumb with CBs was reset once and if it pops again
keep your friggin' fingers off less you want to live with smoke in the
cockpit, or worse...
lucky
N188R
do not archive
>From: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Circuit Breakers
>Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:39:58 -0600
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>
>
> >
> >Fuses are cheaper still - and better.
>
> Fuses are "different" but not necessarily "better."
>
> I had electrical failures in two different aircraft. One plane
>had
>fuses and the other had circuit breakers. It was completely impossible for
>me to find the bad fuse and to change it while in flight (especially at
>night with the lights not working.) I put the flashlight in my mouth and
>landed the plane with no lights. Definitely no fun at all.
>
> Conversely, finding the tripped breaker and resetting it was no
>problem at all. I could have done it by feel in the dark if need be. I had
>to reset it twice, actually, to get the gear to come down. This would have
>been very very difficult, if not impossible, with fuses.
>
> One more nice thing about circuit breakers is that when you reset
>it, you can't make a mistake and put in the wrong current rating or time
>rating. Replacing a fuse with one of the wrong rating can easily cause a
>fire. That is why fuses are no longer allowed for residential distribution
>panels.
>
> Fuses are, indeed, cheap, however.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Circuit Breakers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
I used fuses in my -8A... Not real sure they are cheaper when you add in
the cost of the fuse blocks and toggle switches, compared to the toggle
switch/breaker combo units out there now...
My take on this is if you do it right, and you inspect regularly, you should
never have a failure... But if you do, have a backup plan... RV's are not
retracts, and you should have backup panel lighting, so all that is left is
to practice your night landings with and without lights... I remember my
instructor making me do night landings at night, they were actually better
most of the time!
If I built another one I would probably use fuses again...
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A
www.vondane.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Dube" <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Circuit Breakers
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>
>Fuses are cheaper still - and better.
Fuses are "different" but not necessarily "better."
I had electrical failures in two different aircraft. One plane had
fuses and the other had circuit breakers. It was completely impossible for
me to find the bad fuse and to change it while in flight (especially at
night with the lights not working.) I put the flashlight in my mouth and
landed the plane with no lights. Definitely no fun at all.
Conversely, finding the tripped breaker and resetting it was no
problem at all. I could have done it by feel in the dark if need be. I had
to reset it twice, actually, to get the gear to come down. This would have
been very very difficult, if not impossible, with fuses.
One more nice thing about circuit breakers is that when you reset
it, you can't make a mistake and put in the wrong current rating or time
rating. Replacing a fuse with one of the wrong rating can easily cause a
fire. That is why fuses are no longer allowed for residential distribution
panels.
Fuses are, indeed, cheap, however.
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| Subject: | Re: Offending Signatures : was- EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring |
Oakdale Airport Appreciation Day
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
I want to respond to everybody so instead of sending out several messages I'll
put it all in this one. Please note the smelly face thingamagigs before you react
to the raw text.
Scott, where did you get that odd ball translation, stick with King James ;)
GV, the existence of a god can neither be proven or disprove . A scientist who
tries to disprove the existence of a god is an idiot. A religious person who
tries to prove the existence of a god just doesn't get it.
Chuck, very funny :)
Steve, sharing your beliefs or interests in a signature is not trying to convince
anyone of anything. It is simply an attempt to tell a little about yourself,
what is important to you, and I can't think of any less obtrusive way of doing
that.
Terry, if you are offended by bible passages and christians I suggest you avoid
going near or interacting with people who live in north america, unless of course
you like to be offended. If you consider a signature to be confronting.
. . I just don't know what to say to
that. GV is the one who started a confrontation, not Scott. Comparing religion
to a fad or superstition is what is offensive. Your statement, "We aren't all
American and we aren't all male and we sure as hell aren't all Christian."
Speaks volumes about you.
John, a signature quoting a scripture is "imposing" views on others? Be serious.
Todd, great point!
Kevin, I think that Matt is asking not to use signatures of "excessive" length
(I don't think 4 lines is excessive). Also I think he wants us to trim all the
garbage when we reply to messages on the list. After a few replies to a message
that junk that gets included over
and over again can add up. I try to remember to delete everything that isn't relevant
to what I am replying about.
Jim, I totally agree, 100%!
Bill, see John above and replace "imposing" with "forcing".
Jeff, Dumb idea :) But seriously, I have noticed that "noise" on mailing lists
and newsgroups go away MUCH faster when it is ignored. From my observations,
all voiced attempts to quiet it, just result in more noise.
Tell me, who reads those stupid signatures anyway ;) ;) I'm surprised no one has
complained about mine.
I almost forgot, do not archive
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
chrisw@programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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| Subject: | Re: N664SB 100Hr. Report |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Yes it can be done... Here's a quick run down on how much my -8A cost me...
Tools = $1515
Kit = $17,333
Freight = $599
FWF = $7332
Panel/Wiring = $5262
Lights = $500
Misc. = $267
Primer/Paint = $177
Total = $32,985 - Give or take, and the plane is not painted yet...
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A - 96 hrs
www.vondane.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Subject: RV-List: N664SB 100Hr. Report
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Hi All,
I've just completed a short "100hr." report on my green machine, and I was
going to post it here, but I decided just to put it on my website.
Seems as of late the only way to get good discussion on this list is to post
a note about Religion, Politics, Egos, Military Service, Spam Software, Just
plain stupid notes, worthless bantering, defensive reponses, expert opinions
by people who've never even shot a rivet, personal flaming, et.al.
Everyone is getting WAYYYYYYYY to carried away with all of the above "stuff"
and seem to be forgetting that the "delete" key works pretty well. And, for
those of you who feel you must respond to idiotic notes about how superior
Joe Bob is, or what religion you like, or how it's impossible to build one
of these on the cheap, or other rambling soliloquies, for PETES SAKE, PUT A
DO NOT ARCHIVE somewhere in it. Do you really think people in the future
are going to search about your opinion of military service, politics,
religion, spam management software, etc.. in a list titles "RV LIST"??? -
THINK.
Keep it up and slowly but surely, every TRULY experienced builder/flyer with
PERTINENT good information will quit watching/responding to this list, and
everyone loses an invaluable resource to these planes. It's already
happening, and if you continue to use this list as a chat room, that's all
that will be left. Garbage in - Garbage out.
There. I'm done! If you want to read my report, go to
http://www.steinair.com and click on 100hr. report. Otherwise....DELETE and
DO NOT ARCHIVE!
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
RV6-N664SB-100hrs. Minneapolis.
P.S., my current RV6 project will have an overhauled lycoming, nice panel,
sensenich metal prop, etc.. for less than $20K....It CAN be done!
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| Subject: | Re: Offending Signatures : was- EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring |
Oakdale Airport Appreciation Day
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
Chris W wrote:
> Please note the smelly face thingamagigs before you react to the raw text.
Stupid spell checker, how do you spell smiley anyway?
do not archive
Chris W
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| Subject: | Re: Circuit Breakers |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
That's what I did on my RV. I have 4 CB's on the panel. Fuel Pump,
Elev Trim, Alternator Field, and Flaps. Everything else is in a fuse
block behind the panel to keep me from trying to trouble shoot in
flight. FLY THE AIRPLANE 1st!
My father (a retired Lockheed Electrical DER) said the same thing
about only one chance to reset the CB. Second reset could weld the
contacts open and start a fire event (bad....)
Laird RV-6
Kauai
(unfortunately, the RV's still on the mainland ;-(
>--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
>
>how about a mixed approach?
>
>CBs for things you REALLY don't want to mess with fuses with and Fuses for
>things you can continue on safely without?
>
>I suppose the answer to that is as "pilot preference" as anything else we do
>and no consensus will be found but something for each to think about.
>
>In the AF, the rule of thumb with CBs was reset once and if it pops again
>keep your friggin' fingers off less you want to live with smoke in the
>cockpit, or worse...
>
>lucky
>N188R
>do not archive
>
>
>>From: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Circuit Breakers
>>Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:39:58 -0600
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Fuses are cheaper still - and better.
>>
>> Fuses are "different" but not necessarily "better."
>>
>> I had electrical failures in two different aircraft. One plane
>>had
>>fuses and the other had circuit breakers. It was completely impossible for
>>me to find the bad fuse and to change it while in flight (especially at
>>night with the lights not working.) I put the flashlight in my mouth and
>>landed the plane with no lights. Definitely no fun at all.
>>
>> Conversely, finding the tripped breaker and resetting it was no
>>problem at all. I could have done it by feel in the dark if need be. I had
>>to reset it twice, actually, to get the gear to come down. This would have
>>been very very difficult, if not impossible, with fuses.
>>
>> One more nice thing about circuit breakers is that when you reset
>>it, you can't make a mistake and put in the wrong current rating or time
>>rating. Replacing a fuse with one of the wrong rating can easily cause a
>>fire. That is why fuses are no longer allowed for residential distribution
>>panels.
>>
>> Fuses are, indeed, cheap, however.
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: N664SB 100Hr. Report |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
RV6 for under 20K????!! I thought the low 30K range would be an
accomplishment! Did you get a screamer of a deal on an abandoned kit or
what?
Just curious...Evan
www.evansaviationproducts.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Subject: RV-List: N664SB 100Hr. Report
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've just completed a short "100hr." report on my green machine, and I was
> going to post it here, but I decided just to put it on my website.
>
> Seems as of late the only way to get good discussion on this list is to
post
> a note about Religion, Politics, Egos, Military Service, Spam Software,
Just
> plain stupid notes, worthless bantering, defensive reponses, expert
opinions
> by people who've never even shot a rivet, personal flaming, et.al.
>
> Everyone is getting WAYYYYYYYY to carried away with all of the above
"stuff"
> and seem to be forgetting that the "delete" key works pretty well. And,
for
> those of you who feel you must respond to idiotic notes about how superior
> Joe Bob is, or what religion you like, or how it's impossible to build one
> of these on the cheap, or other rambling soliloquies, for PETES SAKE, PUT
A
> DO NOT ARCHIVE somewhere in it. Do you really think people in the future
> are going to search about your opinion of military service, politics,
> religion, spam management software, etc.. in a list titles "RV LIST"??? -
> THINK.
>
> Keep it up and slowly but surely, every TRULY experienced builder/flyer
with
> PERTINENT good information will quit watching/responding to this list, and
> everyone loses an invaluable resource to these planes. It's already
> happening, and if you continue to use this list as a chat room, that's all
> that will be left. Garbage in - Garbage out.
>
> There. I'm done! If you want to read my report, go to
> http://www.steinair.com and click on 100hr. report. Otherwise....DELETE
and
> DO NOT ARCHIVE!
>
> Cheers,
> Stein Bruch
> RV6-N664SB-100hrs. Minneapolis.
>
> P.S., my current RV6 project will have an overhauled lycoming, nice panel,
> sensenich metal prop, etc.. for less than $20K....It CAN be done!
>
>
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"vansairforce" <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
| Subject: | Washington, DC RV'ers... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Any Washington DC area RV'ers out there? Please contact me off list...
-Bill VonDane - RV-8A
www.vondane.com
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| Subject: | Fw: RV6-List: N664SB 100Hr. Report |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: C. Rabaut <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: Re: RV6-List: N664SB 100Hr. Report
> --> RV6-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Stein,
>
> All valid points, but I thought Chris W. said it best. BTW, I removed
> the un-archive so future folks can find your site & "100 hour Report". It
> is Good.
>
> Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stein Bruch <stein@steinair.com>
> To: Rv-List <rv-list@matronics.com>; Rv6-List <rv6-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV6-List: N664SB 100Hr. Report
>
>
> > --> RV6-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I've just completed a short "100hr." report on my green machine, and I
was
> > going to post it here, but I decided just to put it on my website.
> >
> > Seems as of late the only way to get good discussion on this list is to
> post
> > a note about Religion, Politics, Egos, Military Service, Spam Software,
> Just
> > plain stupid notes, worthless bantering, defensive reponses, expert
> opinions
> > by people who've never even shot a rivet, personal flaming, et.al.
> >
> > Everyone is getting WAYYYYYYYY to carried away with all of the above
> "stuff"
> > and seem to be forgetting that the "delete" key works pretty well. And,
> for
> > those of you who feel you must respond to idiotic notes about how
superior
> > Joe Bob is, or what religion you like, or how it's impossible to build
one
> > of these on the cheap, or other rambling soliloquies, for PETES SAKE,
PUT
> A
> > ** *** ARCHIVE somewhere in it. Do you really think people in the
future
> > are going to search about your opinion of military service, politics,
> > religion, spam management software, etc.. in a list titles "RV
LIST"??? -
> > THINK.
> >
> > Keep it up and slowly but surely, every TRULY experienced builder/flyer
> with
> > PERTINENT good information will quit watching/responding to this list,
and
> > everyone loses an invaluable resource to these planes. It's already
> > happening, and if you continue to use this list as a chat room, that's
all
> > that will be left. Garbage in - Garbage out.
> >
> > There. I'm done! If you want to read my report, go to
> > http://www.steinair.com and click on 100hr. report. Otherwise....DELETE
> and
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Stein Bruch
> > RV6-N664SB-100hrs. Minneapolis.
> >
> > P.S., my current RV6 project will have an overhauled lycoming, nice
panel,
> > sensenich metal prop, etc.. for less than $20K....It CAN be done!
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Was Circuit Breakers now Solar Powered Airplane |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>
snip
>Laird RV-6
>Kauai
>(unfortunately, the RV's still on the mainland ;-(
>
It sounds like Laird is flying "The Mother Of All RC Airplanes" again,
and getting paid for it, in Hawaii! Too bad that is a little off topic
for this list. It sure is interesting.
Do not archive
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 Doing the annual and thinking about that Dynon
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| Subject: | Washington, DC RV'ers... |
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autolearn=ham version=2.53
--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Bill,
Try MARV (Mid Atlantic RV'ers)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mid-AtlRVwing
I know about 12 of them personally. Good group.
Mike
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill VonDane [mailto:bill@vondane.com]
Subject: RV-List: Washington, DC RV'ers...
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Any Washington DC area RV'ers out there? Please contact me off list...
-Bill VonDane - RV-8A
www.vondane.com
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| Subject: | BUILDING ON THE CHEAP! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I have noticed several builders have mentioned the cost of building. Some
are in the low 30k range others in the low 20 range!!!! I think we need to
document how this is done. Here is what little I can add:
I have found that there is real network of people at airports and the more
of them you know the cheaper you can build a plane. For example I have seen
hundreds of instruments in various hangers which I knowt hey would just
about give away. So what I am saying is who you know can make a BIG
difference in the cost of building.
Anyone else?
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | IO-320-C1A basket case on eBay |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2413108579
The ultimate challenge. Crank alone is probably worth the present price
of
$1525.
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| Subject: | Re: trailering my RV-4 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
Ron,
Have you considered a 747? If it is good enough for
the shuttle it should be good enough for a 4.
Ross
--- Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen
> <svanarts@yahoo.com>
>
> If you have access to a good sized truck and flat
> bed trailer that will move your plane just fine.
> That the way I did it. Actually it was a friend
> with a low-boy trailer and semi. A bit of overkill
> but it all worked out.
>
> Ron Patterson <scc_ron@yahoo.com> wrote:--> RV-List
> message posted by: Ron Patterson
>
> Hello Guys, I have the need to move my RV-4 from the
> shop where it was built to the airport. Have about
> 4-6 months of engine work and avionics and then it
> will be ready for inspection and that 'first
> flight'. Anybody have any suggestions on how to move
> this aircraft, safely, some 250 miles??? I thought
> of an enclosed moving van, but the horizontal
> stabilizer is 100" tip to tip ...most trucks are a
> max of 96" (outside box measurements). I could tilt
> it, but fear the tying down would result in tweaking
> of the Fuselage. What about a car trailer with the
> tail exposed?? I just don't want to screw up 4 years
> of work in a poorly conceived transfer. So....any
> suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
> Ron PattersonN. California
>
>
> --
>
> For God says, "At just the right time, I heard you.
> On the day of salvation, I helped you." Indeed, God
> is ready to help you right now. Today is the day of
> salvation.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Circuit Breakers |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@direcpc.com>
I like practicing my night landings during daylight hours. I always find
I do better then.
Gary
Bill VonDane wrote:
> I remember my
> instructor making me do night landings at night, they were actually better
> most of the time!
>
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| Subject: | Solar Powered Airplane |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
Yea...Rough duty.
We've got the airplane and flight crew out at Barking Sands now, and
are working towards our 1st functional tests later this week, leading
up to our first flight of the year later in May.
For those who don't know about what I get to do, some details about
the program and airplane can be found at:
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Research/Erast/helios.html
We flew the high altitude portion of our program 2 years ago
(achieved 96,863 ft) and are now working towards the long duration
flights using a fuel cell for power during the night.
We're shooting for 24 hrs above 50,000 ft with the technology we have now.
After we demonstrate that, we'll fly a payload for a telecom customer
later in the summer.
Good news is I'd rather be doing this than flying Global Hawks in
Iraq....bad news is I couldn't bring my RV with me. I had to leave
it at home and leave the flying to my dad. He didn't seem to mind
;-) I'm sure the SoCal guys will keep him busy flying on the
weekends.
With any luck, I'll be back in time to make Las Cruces.
Laird RV-6less in Kauai
>--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
>
>
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>>
>
>snip
>
>>Laird RV-6
>>Kauai
>>(unfortunately, the RV's still on the mainland ;-(
>>
>
>It sounds like Laird is flying "The Mother Of All RC Airplanes" again,
>and getting paid for it, in Hawaii! Too bad that is a little off topic
>for this list. It sure is interesting.
>
>Do not archive
>
>Larry Pardue
>Carlsbad, NM
>
>RV-6 Doing the annual and thinking about that Dynon
>
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication Day |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Well said Terry!!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication
Day
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
> Scott,
>
> GV isn't the only one that finds your bible passages offensive and
> inappropriate on the RV list. We have been through all this before. There
> are few things more annoying than some True Believer in whatever fad or
> superstition or New Truth who feels compelled to confront everyone else
with
> his Great Discovery. As for automatic delete, the only way I have been
able
> to get Microsoft Explorer to do that would be to delete all RV list
> messages, and that kind of defeats the purpose of subscribing.
>
> Show a little respect for the other subscribers. We aren't all American
and
> we aren't all male and we sure as hell aren't all Christian.
>
> Terry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott Vanartsdalen
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport
Apprication
> Day
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
>
> Cool!! I'm being persecuted for my beliefs!! Seriously, though I can't
> believe an email signature offends you that much. We're you half joking
or
> are you totally serious? I'm not going to change my signature. I'll pick
a
> different Bible verse each week if it makes you feel better. :-) But
unless
> I'm driven out by Matt himself you'll continue to see those cute little
> signatures. I mean, I'm not trying to convince *you* of anything. :-) :-)
I
> truly am sorry if my sig offends you. You can configure your email client
> to automatically delete my messages if you want. I'm sure plenty of folks
> already do that! :-D PS. Please note all the smileys above. This isn't a
> flame and I'm not offended at all. Just stating facts.
>
> Vanremog@aol.com wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 4/28/2003 3:10:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> svanarts@yahoo.com writes:
>
> > For God says, "At just the right time, I heard you. On the day of
> salvation,
> > I helped you." Indeed, God is ready to help you right now. Today is the
> > day of salvation.
>
> Scott-
>
> As a matter of fact, he's helping me write this at the moment. Just
kidding.
>
> But seriously, maybe we could give the cute little evening bible study a
> rest. If you are really into it, we can play the fun new reality game
"folk
> tales vs science". You could choose the juiciest parables and I could
bring
> up arcane historical facts and get really wound up on tedious scientific,
> technological and/or archaeological rants. We could get everyone so riled
up
> that a jihad would have to be called at AirVenture, the grounds would get
> trashed and no one would ever get their planes built. Is that what you
want?
> ;o).
>
> Do not archive.
>
> -GV (RV-6A N1GV 598hrs)
>
>
> --
>
> For God says, "At just the right time, I heard you. On the day of
salvation,
> I helped you." Indeed, God is ready to help you right now. Today is the
day
> of salvation.
>
> 2 Corinthians 6:2, New Living Translation
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuilding your engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark McGee <MarkMcGee@comcast.net>
Here's what I learned about engine overhaul when I did a major on the old
O-235 in my Piper Colt. I have about 150 hours on it now and it runs good.
Get the complete set of Service Bulletins and Service Instructions from
Lycoming. The package of documents is about 5 inches deep and covers all
their engines. You have to sort out the ones that apply to your engine. I
put my documents in separate binders to make it easy to use.
The Service Bulletins are the red lettered documents from which
Airworthiness Directives come. You should comply with these for safety
reasons. The Service Instructions are the supplements to the Lycoming
Overhaul Manual. For example, the Overhaul Manual may refer you to a Service
Instruction for details about crankcase sealing including which sealant is
recommended. When I majored my O-235, I had to drill an additional oil
passage in the accessory case to lube the new, improved oil pump which had a
rotating shaft to replace the old fixed shaft. Drilling the oil passage was
covered in a Service Instruction and I would not have known about it without
the Service Instruction. When I read that I had to drill into my engine, I
was disturbed at the thought, so I called Lycoming. A tech assured me that I
would have to drill the hole and he told me a trick they use to align the
drill. I did it and it worked out fine.
With what I learned on the O-235, I would not hesitate to overhaul an engine
for my RV-4. In fact, I think I am more comfortable knowing the engine was
put together right.
Mark McGee
Loganville, GA
RV-4 Fuselage almost skinned
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| Subject: | trailering my RV-4 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Joe Hine" <joehine@rogers.com>
Ron
I would just take the tail surfaces off. If you have the engine installed
makesure the tail is tied down well or has a sand bag or something on it
because the AC will be very nose heavy. It should travel very well like
that.
Joe Hine
RV4 C-FYTQ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Patterson
Subject: RV-List: trailering my RV-4
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Patterson <scc_ron@yahoo.com>
Hello Guys, I have the need to move my RV-4 from the shop where it was built
to the airport. Have about 4-6 months of engine work and avionics and then
it will be ready for inspection and that 'first flight'. Anybody have any
suggestions on how to move this aircraft, safely, some 250 miles??? I
thought of an enclosed moving van, but the horizontal stabilizer is 100" tip
to tip ...most trucks are a max of 96" (outside box measurements). I could
tilt it, but fear the tying down would result in tweaking of the Fuselage.
What about a car trailer with the tail exposed?? I just don't want to screw
up 4 years of work in a poorly conceived transfer. So....any suggestions
would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Ron PattersonN. California
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| Subject: | Re: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> I have noticed several builders have mentioned the cost of building. Some
> are in the low 30k range others in the low 20 range!!!! I think we need to
> document how this is done. Here is what little I can add:
>
> I have found that there is real network of people at airports and the more
> of them you know the cheaper you can build a plane. For example I have
seen
> hundreds of instruments in various hangers which I knowt hey would just
> about give away. So what I am saying is who you know can make a BIG
> difference in the cost of building.
>
> Anyone else?
OK here's my cost breakdown (keep in mind this was in 1992 dollars).
RV-4 kit & shipping ~ $9200.00
Tools $1100.00
Junkyard 13B rotary engine, overhaul cost, Reduction drive, odds & ends
$5000.00
Instruments, radio, Xponder (simple VFR panel) $2800.00
Leather seats by DJ Lauritsen (Sp?) $1000 (wife wanted *something*
classy in the plane)
Paint & supplies $260 (Yes, it *looks* like a $260 paint job )
Total $19360.00
None of the costs above depended on knowing the right people.
do not archive
Tracy Crook
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| Subject: | EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication Day |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Joe Hine" <joehine@rogers.com>
Terry and GV
Very well and politely said...add my vote to your comments.
Joe Hine Do Not Archive
RV4 C-FYTQ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry Watson
Subject: RE: RV-List: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport
Apprication Day
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Scott,
GV isn't the only one that finds your bible passages offensive and
inappropriate on the RV list. We have been through all this before. There
are few things more annoying than some True Believer in whatever fad or
superstition or New Truth who feels compelled to confront everyone else with
his Great Discovery. As for automatic delete, the only way I have been able
to get Microsoft Explorer to do that would be to delete all RV list
messages, and that kind of defeats the purpose of subscribing.
Show a little respect for the other subscribers. We aren't all American and
we aren't all male and we sure as hell aren't all Christian.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott Vanartsdalen
Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication
Day
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Cool!! I'm being persecuted for my beliefs!! Seriously, though I can't
believe an email signature offends you that much. We're you half joking or
are you totally serious? I'm not going to change my signature. I'll pick a
different Bible verse each week if it makes you feel better. :-) But unless
I'm driven out by Matt himself you'll continue to see those cute little
signatures. I mean, I'm not trying to convince *you* of anything. :-) :-) I
truly am sorry if my sig offends you. You can configure your email client
to automatically delete my messages if you want. I'm sure plenty of folks
already do that! :-D PS. Please note all the smileys above. This isn't a
flame and I'm not offended at all. Just stating facts.
Vanremog@aol.com wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 4/28/2003 3:10:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
svanarts@yahoo.com writes:
> For God says, "At just the right time, I heard you. On the day of
salvation,
> I helped you." Indeed, God is ready to help you right now. Today is the
> day of salvation.
Scott-
As a matter of fact, he's helping me write this at the moment. Just kidding.
But seriously, maybe we could give the cute little evening bible study a
rest. If you are really into it, we can play the fun new reality game "folk
tales vs science". You could choose the juiciest parables and I could bring
up arcane historical facts and get really wound up on tedious scientific,
technological and/or archaeological rants. We could get everyone so riled up
that a jihad would have to be called at AirVenture, the grounds would get
trashed and no one would ever get their planes built. Is that what you want?
;o).
Do not archive.
-GV (RV-6A N1GV 598hrs)
--
For God says, "At just the right time, I heard you. On the day of salvation,
I helped you." Indeed, God is ready to help you right now. Today is the day
of salvation.
2 Corinthians 6:2, New Living Translation
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Very true Scott, I found my "midtime first overhaul" O-360 in a old friends
hangar for 4k! Some instruments from similar sources and a radio from a destroyed
Cherokee. The radio was in need of resurrection but I can do that stuff myself.
My RV6 came in just under 30k and of course I've put another 6-7k worth of
goodies into it since but 29,000+ gave me a fantastic full panel airplane.
And the only thing that I paid anyone else to do for me was sewing the seat
cushions. I only had one skin of leather and I'm a 50% waste kind of upholsterer!
Dave, RV6, So Cal
Scott Bilinski wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> I have noticed several builders have mentioned the cost of building. Some
> are in the low 30k range others in the low 20 range!!!! I think we need to
> document how this is done. Here is what little I can add:
>
> I have found that there is real network of people at airports and the more
> of them you know the cheaper you can build a plane. For example I have seen
> hundreds of instruments in various hangers which I knowt hey would just
> about give away. So what I am saying is who you know can make a BIG
> difference in the cost of building.
>
> Anyone else?
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
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| Subject: | Metallic Yellow Paint |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
A solid yellow with Metallic Jade looks odd in my test shots. I have
been using PPG for years and I have seen Metallic Pink even........but never Yellow?
Tom in Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: N664SB 100Hr. (Sensenich repitch) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chris Good" <chrisjgood@lycos.com>
Stein,
Thanks for the 100 hr report - very informative.
I noticed your comment about being underpitched with the 85" Sensenich. I have
an 83" on my O-360 6A, & also feels well underpitched. Last December, I decided
to have it repitched to 86", & took it to a local prop shop where they said
they had the right templates for the 72FM. Well it turns out they had only
dealt with a prop strike 72FM before, & they just had to straighten the tips.
When they started work on mine, they found that they did not have powerful enough
equipment for the required bends near the root! So I still have an 83.
Do you have a shop in mind for the repitch, or do you plan to send it to Sensenich
in Pennsylvania? I think there's a Sensenich dealer at Crystal (Minneapolis
area), but I haven't called them yet. I'm near Milwaukee, so I'd be interested
if you find a shop in the Minneapolis area.
Hope to see you at the Anoka RV Forum next month.
Regards,
Chris Good
RV-6A 530 hrs flying http://rv.supermatrix.com
West Bend, WI
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication Day |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
Joe Hine wrote:
> Very well and politely said...add my vote to your comments.
Politely said!!!??? At best it was condescending. I don't know of anyone that
would consider condescending to be polite.
Terry Watson wrote:
> GV isn't the only one that finds your bible passages offensive and
> inappropriate on the RV list. We have been through all this before. There
> are few things more annoying than some True Believer in whatever fad or
> superstition or New Truth who feels compelled to confront everyone else with
> his Great Discovery. As for automatic delete, the only way I have been able
> to get Microsoft Explorer to do that would be to delete all RV list
> messages, and that kind of defeats the purpose of subscribing.
>
> Show a little respect for the other subscribers. We aren't all American and
> we aren't all male and we sure as hell aren't all Christian.
A short signature expressing your beliefs, or values, or sense of humor, or
whatever, is not confronting. Your condescending remark is confronting.
As for not being able to delete emails from a specific person, all modern email
programs have the ability to do this. "Microsoft Explorer" is NOT an email
program, if you meant to say "Microsoft Internet Explorer" which is a completely
different program, that's not an email program either. Since we are on a
Microsoft theme here, my only guess is that you are using Microsoft Outlook aka
"lookout" and that program certainly has many powerful tools to filter emails in
any number of ways, including by who the sender is. You might want to
familiarize yourself with that function. Since Americans, Christians, and
apparently men seem to offend you, you will probably be using it a lot.
do not archive
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
chrisw@programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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| Subject: | Re: Circuit Breakers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
DOH! I iZ Smrt Hu?
-Bill
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Zilik" <zilik@direcpc.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Circuit Breakers
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@direcpc.com>
I like practicing my night landings during daylight hours. I always find
I do better then.
Gary
Bill VonDane wrote:
> I remember my
> instructor making me do night landings at night, they were actually better
> most of the time!
>
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| Subject: | Oakdale Airport Appreciation Day |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Okay, now that we have that all out of our systems... does anyone remember the
orginal thread? Oakdale Airport Appreication Day Sponsored by EAA Chapter 90 This
Saturday (May 3, 2003) Come early and *I* will serve you up some of the best
pancakes available in Stanislaus County. And please, if anyone has problems
with my NEW signature, please don't waste the list's time by attacking me publicly,
do it offline. You waste Matt's disk space and dial-up user's precious
download time. And since this isn't building related (and I really should have
done this on my first post, my apologies)... DO NOT ARCHIVE
--
RV-4
N311SV, FLYING!!
bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you
Luke 6:28, NAS
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| Subject: | Fw: Metallic Yellow Paint |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom & Cathy Ervin
Subject: Metallic Yellow Paint
A solid yellow with Metallic Jade looks odd in my test shots. I have
been using PPG for years and I have seen Metallic Pink even........but never Yellow?
Tom in Ohio
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| Subject: | Faith-based content |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
Faith-based content is inappropriate to this list. Being holier than
thou and/or waving your beliefs around like a flag is at best annoying
and usually comes across as proselytizing which nobody much likes. And
yes, it raises some hackles. The same goes for politics. You'll never
convince anybody to think your way - you'll just piss 'em off.
We all worship at the aluminum alter. No faith necessary. RV's, unlike
religions, are provable and observable. Let's talk about airplanes.
Ed Holyoke
6qb
do not archive
>
>
> WARNING: Faith-based content follows!
>
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| Subject: | Re: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
I bought my 1500 hr O320 for $6000 complete including shipping, and the
prop was used but never flow for $450 I think...
One thing I can say about building on a budget is that it is very easy to
keep it light, and man do these things fly nice when they are light!
-Bill Vondane - RV-8A
www.vondane.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Bristol" <bj034@lafn.org>
Subject: Re: RV-List: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP!
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Very true Scott, I found my "midtime first overhaul" O-360 in a old friends
hangar for 4k! Some instruments from similar sources and a radio from a
destroyed
Cherokee. The radio was in need of resurrection but I can do that stuff
myself.
My RV6 came in just under 30k and of course I've put another 6-7k worth of
goodies into it since but 29,000+ gave me a fantastic full panel airplane.
And the only thing that I paid anyone else to do for me was sewing the seat
cushions. I only had one skin of leather and I'm a 50% waste kind of
upholsterer!
Dave, RV6, So Cal
Scott Bilinski wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> I have noticed several builders have mentioned the cost of building. Some
> are in the low 30k range others in the low 20 range!!!! I think we need to
> document how this is done. Here is what little I can add:
>
> I have found that there is real network of people at airports and the more
> of them you know the cheaper you can build a plane. For example I have
seen
> hundreds of instruments in various hangers which I knowt hey would just
> about give away. So what I am saying is who you know can make a BIG
> difference in the cost of building.
>
> Anyone else?
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
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| Subject: | RV transition training in Michigan |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Ford" <dford@michweb.net>
Though it is early our EAA chapter will be hosting Mike Seager for RV transition
training before Oshkosh July 25, 26, 27(Fri, Sat, Sun), in Cadillac, MI at Wexford
County Airport (CAD). Currently there are slots open. If anyone is interested
please contact me offline for the day and number of hours you would be
interested. Thanks.
Dave Ford
dford@michweb.net
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| Subject: | Website / Builder Log Template |
--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
Do Not Archive
Sorry for the somewhat off-topic post, but can anyone recommend a good web "template"
or freebie domain host with any significant space?
I have been "HTMLing it" manually through tables, and it is taking longer than
I have time for (i.e. website not getting updated). Are most of the web-savvy
users using frames with a pre-defined template?
Thanks for the help...trying to keep an accurate web log on the project.
Thanks,
Scott
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Chapter 90 sponsoring Oakdale Airport Apprication |
Day
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
I cannot believe you guys whinning and crying about Scotts
sig lines. He is not preaching or hurting a thing.
If I don't like a poster or their content I just delete it.
Pretty simple to operate the delete button if something offends
you.
Jerry(not offeneded by sig lines)Springer
do not archive
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Canyon wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
>
> Scott Vanartsdalen wrote:
>
>>Do you understand what a signature is?
>
>
> Yes, of course. Informative signatures can be very useful. Signatures
> campaigning for some cause or another are generally quite useless. In
> fact, the list is about building and flying RVs -- at best 'cause'
> signatures will invariably provoke divisive remarks at random; at
> worst, they can destroy an otherwise quite healthy and helpful list.
>
> In particular, politics and religion have no place, nor useful purpose,
> on a list dedicated to building and flying airplanes.
>
>
>> Do you understand that email can be used for more than just the
>>RV-List?
>
>
> And of course many lists forbid them outright unless they add germane
> information.
>
>
>> :-) So for the anti-christians out there I have placed a warning
>>in my signature. Once you see it, HIDE YOUR EYES!! You might see
>>something YIKES!! Religeous! Ohmahgoodness! Hide the women and
>>children!! :-D You guys have me rolling!
>
>
> Excuse me, your immaturity is showing, I do believe. You have no idea
> if I'm anti-religious (yes, you can't even spell it) OR anti-Christian,
> I'm not offended, my women and children never hide from reality but
> face life head on and I couldn't care less whether you have a signature
> or not. It bothers me not -- 'cause' signatures have about 1 chance in
> a billion of suddenly changing any sane person's perspective of the
> real world.
>
> But to claim that it's not your intent to influence anyone else with
> your signature is simply not true even to the doctrine you
> espouse. Think about it...
>
> Regards,
> Steve
>
> do not archive
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