Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:49 AM - Re: Faith-based content (RV8ter@aol.com)
2. 05:02 AM - fairings (romeo.victor@t-online.de)
3. 05:37 AM - Re: doo-hickeys (John Banks)
4. 05:57 AM - Re: Rebuilding your engine (Charlie Kuss)
5. 05:57 AM - Long Dynon Thoughts (Larry Pardue)
6. 06:19 AM - Re: Microair 760 VHF users (Pat Perry)
7. 06:22 AM - Re: Offending Signatures : was- EAA Chapter 90 (Peter Laurence)
8. 07:00 AM - Re: Microair 760 VHF users (David Carter)
9. 07:45 AM - Re: Faith-based content (david.keck@amd.com)
10. 07:53 AM - Re: Faith-based content (lucky macy)
11. 08:12 AM - Re: Microair 760 VHF users (Mark Phillips)
12. 08:16 AM - Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content (Glenn Brasch)
13. 08:17 AM - Re: Microair 760 VHF users (Scott Vanartsdalen)
14. 08:19 AM - Re: Faith-based content (SCOTT MORGAN)
15. 08:30 AM - Re: Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content (lucky macy)
16. 08:34 AM - Re: Faith-based content (SportAV8R@aol.com)
17. 08:53 AM - Re: Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content (Glenn Brasch)
18. 09:00 AM - Re: Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content (Konrad Werner)
19. 09:21 AM - faith based e-mail (glenn williams)
20. 09:29 AM - Re: Long Dynon Thoughts (Larry Pardue)
21. 09:30 AM - Re: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP! (kempthornes)
22. 09:44 AM - Re: Long Dynon Thoughts (WALTER KERR)
23. 09:49 AM - the "RV-List" versus "Faith Based e-mail" (C. Rabaut)
24. 10:03 AM - Re: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out - (Matt Dralle)
25. 10:03 AM - Re: faith based e-mail (Kysh)
26. 10:10 AM - Enough now !! (Konrad Werner)
27. 10:13 AM - Re: faith based e-mail (Brian Denk)
28. 10:24 AM - Re: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP! (C. Rabaut)
29. 10:24 AM - Re: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out - Please Read) (Jim Jewell)
30. 10:31 AM - Re: the "RV-List" versus "Faith Based e-mail (Wiethe, Philip (P.J.))
31. 10:34 AM - Recall: Re: the "RV-List" versus "Faith Based e-mail (Wiethe, Philip (P.J.))
32. 10:47 AM - Bakersfield Peace Wing & Ride Fly-In @ L45 (MeangreenRV4@aol.com)
33. 10:50 AM - Re: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out -Please Read) (Miller Robert)
34. 10:53 AM - Re: faith based e-mail (alexoas)
35. 11:12 AM - Re: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out -Please (Canyon)
36. 11:25 AM - Re: faith based e-mail & microair 760 (lucky macy)
37. 11:26 AM - Re: faith based e-mail (Mike Stephenson)
38. 11:40 AM - Back to "RV" based debates (C. Rabaut)
39. 11:42 AM - Re: faith based e-mail (DELETE NOW :-) (SportAV8R@aol.com)
40. 11:50 AM - Re: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out - Please Read) (Dr. Kevin P. Leathers)
41. 12:15 PM - Re: Microair 760 VHF users (Peter Laurence)
42. 12:22 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (Bill VonDane)
43. 12:25 PM - Re: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out -Please Read) (Dr. Kevin P. Leathers)
44. 12:45 PM - Faith, Christianity, and wheel pants (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
45. 01:09 PM - Re: trailering my RV-4 (RW)
46. 01:49 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (John Starn)
47. 01:54 PM - tire sizes (Evan and Megan Johnson)
48. 01:59 PM - Langley RV Fly-in 2003 (Tedd McHenry)
49. 02:21 PM - Checkerboarding experiment (Dana Overall)
50. 02:29 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (Tedd McHenry)
51. 02:35 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (C. Rabaut)
52. 02:38 PM - RV-6A transporting advise needed (Mike Stephenson)
53. 02:40 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (C. Rabaut)
54. 02:43 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (Michael McGee)
55. 02:59 PM - Re: Checkerboarding experiment (Larygagnon@aol.com)
56. 03:04 PM - Re: RV-6A transporting advise needed (John)
57. 03:07 PM - Re: Checkerboarding experiment (Scott Bilinski)
58. 03:18 PM - Re: Checkerboarding experiment (Bill Dube)
59. 03:19 PM - Re: Faith, Christianity, and wheel pants (Tracy Crook)
60. 03:33 PM - Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates (Elsa & Henry)
61. 04:17 PM - Re: Faith, Christianity, and wheel pants (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
62. 04:22 PM - Re: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out - Please Read) (Charles Rowbotham)
63. 04:33 PM - Re: Checkerboarding experiment (Dr. Kevin P. Leathers)
64. 04:34 PM - RV Builders Class (Ralph Koger)
65. 04:36 PM - Boone, IA RVators Fly-in (Ralph Koger)
66. 04:43 PM - Re: tire sizes (Greg Young)
67. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
68. 05:27 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (Tom Gummo)
69. 06:15 PM - Re: Checkerboarding experiment (Dana Overall)
70. 06:30 PM - Re: pattern for stick boot 2ND POST (WPAerial@aol.com)
71. 06:30 PM - Re: Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates (Dave Bristol)
72. 06:37 PM - Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates (Elsa & Henry)
73. 06:52 PM - Re: RV-10 Update (Bob Hassel)
74. 07:04 PM - Re : Checkerboarding experiment (Martin Hone)
75. 07:11 PM - RV10 (Mr Christopher McGough)
76. 07:16 PM - WTB Electric Turn Coodinator (James Bond)
77. 07:19 PM - Re: pattern for stick boot 2ND POST (Dave Bristol)
78. 07:24 PM - RE : BUILDING ON THE CHEAP (Martin Hone)
79. 07:28 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (Doug Rozendaal)
80. 07:29 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (Dougpsr@aol.com)
81. 07:30 PM - Re: pattern for stick boot 2ND POST (Doug Weiler)
82. 07:36 PM - Re: RV-6A transporting advise needed (Al Mojzisik)
83. 08:03 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (John Starn)
84. 08:10 PM - Tools (Chris W)
85. 08:16 PM - Re: RV-6A transporting advise needed (Charlie & Tupper England)
86. 08:17 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (John Starn)
87. 08:47 PM - Re: RV-10 Update (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
88. 08:54 PM - Re: pattern for stick boot 2ND POST (kempthornes)
89. 08:56 PM - Re: RV-6A transporting advise needed (kempthornes)
90. 08:58 PM - Re: Tools (kempthornes)
91. 09:03 PM - Re: RV-6A transporting advise needed (James E. Clark)
92. 09:17 PM - Re: RV-6A transporting advise needed (Mike Stephenson)
93. 09:46 PM - Re: tire sizes (Randall Henderson)
94. 09:54 PM - Re: Faith, Christianity, and wheel pants (Tracy Crook)
95. 10:49 PM - Re: Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates (Jim Oke)
96. 10:50 PM - Re: Back to "RV" based debates (Tom Gummo)
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| Subject: | Re: Faith-based content |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
Skipped school the years they taught tolerance? You pressing your
anti-religious waving views on the list came across to me as way more
annoying and hackle raising than anything previous.
If you lack the skill or imagination to see what some others can see, instead
of acting out of frustration and annoying others yourself (some I'm sure are
actually laughing at you as I am), hit the delete key - I'm sure someone out
there can prove to you it exists.
Relax and let others live their life their way - as long as it doesn't raise
your taxes ,c ause traffic jams or take away airports.
do not archive,
lucky
In a message dated 4/29/2003 10:08:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bicyclop@pacbell.net writes:
> Faith-based content is inappropriate to this list. Being holier than
> thou and/or waving your beliefs around like a flag is at best annoying
> and usually comes across as proselytizing which nobody much likes. And
> yes, it raises some hackles.
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--> RV-List message posted by: romeo.victor@t-online.de
Dear RV builders,
I am airborne with my 8 since 15.04.2003. A couple of things have to be completed.
For example all the plastic covers and fairings. I tried to fabricate gear
leg fairings by myself two times, and, failed. This is not my work. Is there
anybody who has a form, which he or she can borrow me to produce these items?
I would pay for the shipping costs to Europe and back.
Thanks indeed
Yours sincerely
--
RV8 flying
Stephan Servatius
Untere Hauptstr. 3
85461 Bockhorn
Germany
Tel. +49 (0) 8122 48383
Fax +49 (0) 8122 902188
Mobil +49 (0) 179 105 9749
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Banks" <tinmanjj@ptd.net>
plumbers call then cock hole covers
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuilding your engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
Mark,
Please share the below mentioned drilling "trick" with us. Imagine, an honest
to gosh, RV building tip!! What a concept! :-)
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: Mark McGee <MarkMcGee@comcast.net>
>
>snipped
>When I majored my O-235, I had to drill an additional oil
>passage in the accessory case to lube the new, improved oil pump which had a
>rotating shaft to replace the old fixed shaft. Drilling the oil passage was
>covered in a Service Instruction and I would not have known about it without
>the Service Instruction. When I read that I had to drill into my engine, I
>was disturbed at the thought, so I called Lycoming. A tech assured me that I
>would have to drill the hole and he told me a trick they use to align the
>drill. I did it and it worked out fine.
>
>Mark McGee
>Loganville, GA
>RV-4 Fuselage almost skinned
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| Subject: | Long Dynon Thoughts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
Listers:
I had not been following the development of the Dynon EFIS-D10. There are
many things under development that sound good but never come to fruition.
However, when actual flight reports started showing up it was impossible for
even me to ignore this device any longer.
I have a vacuum system powering an attitude indicator and heading indicator.
Although I have gloated on this list about the fact my gyro instruments were
still working despite quite a bit of aerobatic flight, this is no longer
true. For the last 50 or so hours the attitude indicator has been
intermittently slow to erect. Sometimes it would not erect until 15 minutes
into a flight, sometimes it would erect upon engine start. This alone, was
enough to make it useless for IFR flight for me. On a recent flight the AI
erected fine, but during the flight the horizon bar very gradually crept
upward (showing a nose down attitude), during level flight. Finally it went
so high it was out of the adjustment range of the instrument. Later in the
flight it tumbled. On the next flight it worked fine. My heading indicator
seems about typical. On some flights it may not need adjustment for 40
minutes while other times it seems to need to be reset every 5 minutes.
RPM, heading? I don't know why it acts this way. My rate of turn
indication is my Navaid Devices autopilot. I love the instrument, for its
price, but this indication is inaccurate on mine. It is determined by the
strength of two different springs that oppose one another. Apparently the
springs are not perfectly balanced.
These types of problems, which are very common in my experience, along with
a vacuum pump that may or may not be at around its mtbf, make some features
of the D10 very appealing. Having both of the gyros overhauled and
replacing the pump would be very near the cost of the D10. I do not have
confidence that the overhauled AI, a mechanical nightmare of high speeds and
precision bearings, would have a long and healthy life. So being able to
shelve these heavy, mechanical monstrosities, along with an undependable
vacuum pump, lots of hose, fittings, a large firewall penetration, a filter,
and a regulator has considerable appeal at this time.
I love the ideal of stabilized heading indication (equivalent to a slaved
gyro system?). To me this has always been one of those deluxe things that
are great when you are flying an expensive airplane that has it, but is too
costly to buy for your own airplane. The problem is that it is not
available yet. I want to see how well it works. I am not encouraged too
much by the talk in the manual about inputting your local dip. Is it only
going to work at that location? These things are for traveling. One would
hope it would work acceptably over a reasonably large area. If the remote
sensor is necessary, it seems like using adhesive to attach it to the floor,
back in the tail, would be a simple option.
I don't think the heading display is near as useful as a standard heading
indicator, where you can determine direction relationships at a glance.
Things like reciprocals, 45's and 90's. I would miss this but could live
with it if the heading function works well. It is great that the D10 has a
heading bug, but once again, I think it is not as useful as the one on a
standard heading indicator, where you can quickly spin the knob. On the
D10, you have to select the bug through menus. Doesn't sound very practical
on an ILS approach.
With the internal backup battery, I would be very confident using the D10 to
replace the heading and attitude instruments, which is all I am interested
in. Intuitively a failure of the D10 would be a kablooey type failure,
where it just quits working. The typical gradual failure of a gyro
intrument is hard to recognize and potentially more dangerous, I think. I
would retain my mechanical airspeed indicator and altimeter and continue
using the encoder in my Rocky Mountain Instruments microEncoder.
It doesn't sound like the attitude indication errors will be significant in
the D10. I just looked at my FAA "Instrument Flying Handbook." It lists
about half a page of errors inherent in the mechanical instrument. A turn
precesses the instrument toward the inside of the turn and errors in both
pitch and bank occur during normal turns. During acceleration a climb is
indicated and the opposite is shown during deceleration. A 3 to 5 degree
error is common.
Much lighter, no moving parts, no tumbling, no wear. It sure sounds great.
Like another lister, my main worry would be being stuck with unsupported,
broken hardware, although if this thing is as successful as it seems like it
should be, I would expect competitors to spring up. I would sure hate to
reinstall all that junk I have now!
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Microair 760 VHF users |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Perry" <pperryrv@hotmail.com>
I'm using the 760 in my RV-4 and I'm happy. I use the intercom also and
don't have any problems. The only thing I would change on my installation
would be to add a toggle to leave the intercom on for long conversations.
I would suggest mounting the thing eye level near something you can rest
your hand on when operating the buttons. It's so small it can be difficult
to read at an angle and controls are tough to deal with in rough air if you
don't have something to steady your hand against.
I recently changed my antenna to get rid of a whole bunch of issues I had
that I thought were related to the ELT. It turned out to be a cheap antenna
that was transmitting RF junk everywhere. It caused squealing in the
headset, false ELT trips, and background noise. The new antenna fixed all
of the issues.
Pat Perry
Dallas, PA
RV-4 N154PK Flies great!
>From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek@msn.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv8-list@matronics.com, rv8list@yahoogroups.com, rv-list@matronics.com,
> vansairforce@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RV-List: Microair 760 VHF users
>Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:48:10 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Al Grajek" <algrajek@msn.com>
>
>
>Listers:
>Is anyone out there using the Microair 760 VHF transreciever? If so, Are
>you
>using their intercom system, and if you are, are you happy with it? I am
>trying to decide whether I should use it or install a different intercom
>system.
>Thanks in advance for your comments.
>Al Grajek
>RV8
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Offending Signatures : was- EAA Chapter 90 |
sponsoringOakdale Airport Appreciation Day
--> RV-List message posted by: Peter Laurence <dr.laurence@mbdi.org>
OK Guys
I think this is enough!
You have to realize that some of us subscribe to more than one list. The
bandwidth gets excessive and one might get 300 hundred messages a day.
Please stick to the subject, I.E. RVs.
Do not arcive
Peter Laurence
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris W" <chrisw3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Offending Signatures : was- EAA Chapter 90
sponsoringOakdale Airport Appreciation Day
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
>
> I want to respond to everybody so instead of sending out several messages
I'll put it all in this one. Please note the smelly face thingamagigs
before you react to the raw text.
>
> Scott, where did you get that odd ball translation, stick with King James
;)
>
> GV, the existence of a god can neither be proven or disprove . A
scientist who tries to disprove the existence of a god is an idiot. A
religious person who tries to prove the existence of a god just doesn't get
it.
>
> Chuck, very funny :)
>
> Steve, sharing your beliefs or interests in a signature is not trying to
convince anyone of anything. It is simply an attempt to tell a little about
yourself, what is important to you, and I can't think of any less obtrusive
way of doing that.
>
> Terry, if you are offended by bible passages and christians I suggest you
avoid going near or interacting with people who live in north america,
unless of course you like to be offended. If you consider a signature to be
confronting. . . I just don't know what to say to
> that. GV is the one who started a confrontation, not Scott. Comparing
religion to a fad or superstition is what is offensive. Your statement, "We
aren't all American and we aren't all male and we sure as hell aren't all
Christian." Speaks volumes about you.
>
> John, a signature quoting a scripture is "imposing" views on others? Be
serious.
>
> Todd, great point!
>
> Kevin, I think that Matt is asking not to use signatures of "excessive"
length (I don't think 4 lines is excessive). Also I think he wants us to
trim all the garbage when we reply to messages on the list. After a few
replies to a message that junk that gets included over
> and over again can add up. I try to remember to delete everything that
isn't relevant to what I am replying about.
>
> Jim, I totally agree, 100%!
>
> Bill, see John above and replace "imposing" with "forcing".
>
> Jeff, Dumb idea :) But seriously, I have noticed that "noise" on mailing
lists and newsgroups go away MUCH faster when it is ignored. From my
observations, all voiced attempts to quiet it, just result in more noise.
>
> Tell me, who reads those stupid signatures anyway ;) ;) I'm surprised no
one has complained about mine.
>
> I almost forgot, do not archive
>
> --
> Chris Woodhouse
> 3147 SW 127th St.
> Oklahoma City, OK 73170
> 405-691-5206
> chrisw@programmer.net
> N35 20.492'
> W97 34.342'
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty
> to obtain a little temporary safety
> deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Microair 760 VHF users |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
What was the "cheap antenna" that was causing the problems?
What did you replace it with?
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Perry" <pperryrv@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Microair 760 VHF users
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Perry" <pperryrv@hotmail.com>
>
>
> I'm using the 760 in my RV-4 and I'm happy. I use the intercom also and
> don't have any problems. The only thing I would change on my installation
> would be to add a toggle to leave the intercom on for long conversations.
>
> I would suggest mounting the thing eye level near something you can rest
> your hand on when operating the buttons. It's so small it can be
difficult
> to read at an angle and controls are tough to deal with in rough air if
you
> don't have something to steady your hand against.
>
> I recently changed my antenna to get rid of a whole bunch of issues I had
> that I thought were related to the ELT. It turned out to be a cheap
antenna
> that was transmitting RF junk everywhere. It caused squealing in the
> headset, false ELT trips, and background noise. The new antenna fixed all
> of the issues.
>
>
> Pat Perry
> Dallas, PA
> RV-4 N154PK Flies great!
>
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| Subject: | Faith-based content |
--> RV-List message posted by: david.keck@amd.com
Looks like you skipped those years too, eh?
-----Original Message-----
From: RV8ter@aol.com [mailto:RV8ter@aol.com]
Subject: Re: RV-List: Faith-based content
--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
Skipped school the years they taught tolerance? You pressing your
anti-religious waving views on the list came across to me as way more
annoying and hackle raising than anything previous.
If you lack the skill or imagination to see what some others can see, instead
of acting out of frustration and annoying others yourself (some I'm sure are
actually laughing at you as I am), hit the delete key - I'm sure someone out
there can prove to you it exists.
Relax and let others live their life their way - as long as it doesn't raise
your taxes ,c ause traffic jams or take away airports.
do not archive,
lucky
In a message dated 4/29/2003 10:08:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bicyclop@pacbell.net writes:
> Faith-based content is inappropriate to this list. Being holier than
> thou and/or waving your beliefs around like a flag is at best annoying
> and usually comes across as proselytizing which nobody much likes. And
> yes, it raises some hackles.
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| Subject: | Faith-based content |
--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Thank Budda, Allah, God, the devil, etc, I did not. How about you?
ps, don't have your panties in such a wad you forget to use
do not archive
>From: david.keck@amd.com
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Faith-based content
>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:44:12 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: david.keck@amd.com
>
>Looks like you skipped those years too, eh?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: RV8ter@aol.com [mailto:RV8ter@aol.com]
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Faith-based content
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
>
>Skipped school the years they taught tolerance? You pressing your
>anti-religious waving views on the list came across to me as way more
>annoying and hackle raising than anything previous.
>
>If you lack the skill or imagination to see what some others can see,
>instead
>of acting out of frustration and annoying others yourself (some I'm sure
>are
>actually laughing at you as I am), hit the delete key - I'm sure someone
>out
>there can prove to you it exists.
>
>Relax and let others live their life their way - as long as it doesn't
>raise
>your taxes ,c ause traffic jams or take away airports.
>
>do not archive,
>lucky
>
>In a message dated 4/29/2003 10:08:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>bicyclop@pacbell.net writes:
>
> > Faith-based content is inappropriate to this list. Being holier than
> > thou and/or waving your beliefs around like a flag is at best annoying
> > and usually comes across as proselytizing which nobody much likes. And
> > yes, it raises some hackles.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Microair 760 VHF users |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
Hi Pat-
What antenna did you have and what did you replace it with? I've got the 760
and a cheap bent whip I plan to stick on the belly and would like to learn from
your experience! Are you reasonably confident the original antenna installation
was sound?
From The PossumWorks
Mark
Pat Perry wrote:
> I recently changed my antenna to get rid of a whole bunch of issues I had
> that I thought were related to the ELT. It turned out to be a cheap antenna
> that was transmitting RF junk everywhere. It caused squealing in the
> headset, false ELT trips, and background noise. The new antenna fixed all
> of the issues.
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| Subject: | Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
Is it possible for us to get back to the topic of the Van's RV Aircraft on
this list. For those of you that may have forgotten, it is this little 2
place vehicle that most of us: 1. Wish we had, 2. Have parts of, or for
those very lucky ones 3. Have one flying...... Anyone else agree?
Glenn in Arizona -9A Emp. DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Microair 760 VHF users |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
This is the configuration I have as well Mark. I've had several comments that
my transmissions were very clear. I haven't had any reception or transmission
problems. I'm a little concerned about what he was saying about noise and tripping
the ELT and so forth. The only other problem I've had with my MicroAir
is the display periodicly goes nuts. Blank display or Kanji characters. MicroAir
has not return any emails yet.
Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips
Hi Pat-
What antenna did you have and what did you replace it with? I've got the 760
and a cheap bent whip I plan to stick on the belly and would like to learn from
your experience! Are you reasonably confident the original antenna installation
was sound?
From The PossumWorks
Mark
Pat Perry wrote:
> I recently changed my antenna to get rid of a whole bunch of issues I had
> that I thought were related to the ELT. It turned out to be a cheap antenna
> that was transmitting RF junk everywhere. It caused squealing in the
> headset, false ELT trips, and background noise. The new antenna fixed all
> of the issues.
--
RV-4
N311SV, FLYING!!
bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you
Luke 6:28, NAS
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| Subject: | Re: Faith-based content |
--> RV-List message posted by: SCOTT MORGAN <sdmorgan@prodigy.net>
To all the non believers.............I will be more than happy to collect those
"worthless pieces of paper from your wallet that say in God we Trust!" Anyone
intersted in easing their burden, contact me off list!
RV8ter@aol.com wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
Skipped school the years they taught tolerance? You pressing your
anti-religious waving views on the list came across to me as way more
annoying and hackle raising than anything previous.
If you lack the skill or imagination to see what some others can see, instead
of acting out of frustration and annoying others yourself (some I'm sure are
actually laughing at you as I am), hit the delete key - I'm sure someone out
there can prove to you it exists.
Relax and let others live their life their way - as long as it doesn't raise
your taxes ,c ause traffic jams or take away airports.
do not archive,
lucky
In a message dated 4/29/2003 10:08:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bicyclop@pacbell.net writes:
> Faith-based content is inappropriate to this list. Being holier than
> thou and/or waving your beliefs around like a flag is at best annoying
> and usually comes across as proselytizing which nobody much likes. And
> yes, it raises some hackles.
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content |
--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
man, you just stepped on some RV3 and RV-10 toes.
do not archive
>From: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content
>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:17:27 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
>
>Is it possible for us to get back to the topic of the Van's RV Aircraft on
>this list. For those of you that may have forgotten, it is this little 2
>place vehicle that most of us: 1. Wish we had, 2. Have parts of, or for
>those very lucky ones 3. Have one flying...... Anyone else agree?
>Glenn in Arizona -9A Emp. DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Faith-based content |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
In a message dated 04/29/2003 10:08:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bicyclop@pacbell.net writes:
> >>We all worship at the aluminum alter. <<
Not all of us, Ed. I think I get your drift, but "worship" does not apply to
me (and perhaps others) in this context. (Assuming your reference is to an
"altar," not an "alter." It describes an activity reserved for a truly
worthy object, and the airplane ain't Him :-)
>>Faith-based content is inappropriate to this list. Being holier than
thou and/or waving your beliefs around like a flag is at best annoying<<
Ed, who's waving their beliefs around, now? You know, the belief that says
"faith-based content is inappropriate, etc. etc." And you're right, it
really can be annoying to some of us when you do that.
>>You'll never
convince anybody to think your way - you'll just piss 'em off.<<
Obviously this is meant to apply to everyone on the list except you, right -
the "personal exemption privilege" is being invoked here? Do you take your
own advice?
>>Let's talk about airplanes.<<
Now, there's a reasonable suggestion. Let's do. But let's give each other
the grace and civility to talk about airplanes from out of who we really are,
not from behind some cyber-persona-mask. I think that's part of what sig
lines are all about, Ed, an attempt to say more about who we are, to go
beyond what can otherwise across in electronic discourse. I don't use a sig
line myself, but I live peacably here with those who choose to, even if it
reflects views very different from my own. A few years ago, someone on the
list said "children are not blessings from a god, but..." I disagree
profoundly with that world view, but I didn't jump his case for expressing
it; after all, we each have a world view we live from, whether we admit it or
not. This has not altered my ability to have pleasant exchanges with anyone
on the list with the initials GV, because of how I have chosen to "deal with
it." Maybe that's an example worth following, Ed. You decide.
If you want to identify yourself as an RV-list member with a thin skin and an
axe to grind about people of faith, go for it. I wish you well. It is not
possible fo you to offend me by doing that; you don't have my permission to
offend me. (This makes life on the web _so_ much easier!) In turn, I will
write my posts as one who has long since gotten over caring what mere men
think of me, and you, for your part, will be dutifully tolerant of it, as you
expect me to be of you, right? The golden rule in action...
>>And yes, it raises some hackles. <<
(So could your obvious antagonism towards list members whose lives and
character are actually informed by their beliefs and aren't afraid to let it
show...)
Guess I've made my point, or at least tried to lay it out. It's been an
interesting diversion this morning. Now back to patient care...
...do not archive as it is not "aluminum" enough to be the stuff of archival
legend...
-Bill B
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
forgive me Father for I have sinned! :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content
> --> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
>
> man, you just stepped on some RV3 and RV-10 toes.
>
> do not archive
>
>
> >From: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RV-List: Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content
> >Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:17:27 -0700
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
> >
> >Is it possible for us to get back to the topic of the Van's RV Aircraft
on
> >this list. For those of you that may have forgotten, it is this little 2
> >place vehicle that most of us: 1. Wish we had, 2. Have parts of, or for
> >those very lucky ones 3. Have one flying...... Anyone else agree?
> >Glenn in Arizona -9A Emp. DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
I DO AGREE WITH YOU !!!
Konrad
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Off Topic RV Airplane-was Faith Based Content
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
>
> Is it possible for us to get back to the topic of the Van's RV Aircraft on
> this list. For those of you that may have forgotten, it is this little 2
> place vehicle that most of us: 1. Wish we had, 2. Have parts of, or for
> those very lucky ones 3. Have one flying...... Anyone else agree?
> Glenn in Arizona -9A Emp. DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | faith based e-mail |
--> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
All: you who know my previous e-mails know that I am
very religious and where I stand on the issue. That
said I am tired of pulling punches for you
non-believers. So listen up and let me offend you.
1. You have a chance to be saved. (read John 3:16)
2. you have a chance to go to hell. (read the Bible)
these are your choices. An after life of pleasure or
eternal pain. God wants to save all who will listen
but if you dont that's okay too as God will turn away
from you and sentence you to an eternity of Weeping
and gnashing of teeth. Those that want Salvation seek
and ye shall find, those that dont, dont. It is your
choice always has been and always will be. Now that we
understand each other, dont e-mail me about not saying
anything religious on this list. I will delete you and
I dont care if it makes you mad. You feel free to
express your opinion against religion and I feel free
to preach it so we are at a crossroads. You non
believers will one day bow at the feet of Jesus Christ
and try to get into heaven and he will say to you
"depart from me, I never knew you" now the question of
the day. DO YOU WANT TO HEAR THOSE WORDS? Some of you
are going to try and say oh look Glenn is Holier than
thou. I am not, what I am trying to get through to all
of you is, this is America, Americas values were and
are based on Christian values and because of perople
like you we are slowly but surely getting away from
being able to voice an opinion beacuase it is not
politically correct or it offends you. Well so what I
am excersizing my right of the freedom of speech. I am
a proud member of the armed forces reserves an rv8A
builder and the last time I checked an all American
patriot and lover of freedom. And I just exercised it.
well I am off my soap box flame away. And if your
going to flame do it publically not privately as we
are all on this list.
Glenn Williams
do not archive
=====
Glenn Williams
8A
A&P
N81GW
__________________________________
http://search.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Long Dynon Thoughts |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
Listers:
The following mail was sent to me in response to my earlier post about
the Dyon EFIS. It answers a couple of questions I had. Used with
permission.
>Subject: Re: Long Dynon Thoughts
>Sent: 4/27/20 5:43 AM
>Received: 4/30/03 9:46 AM
>From: Doug Medema, doug@dynondevelopment.com
>To: n5lp@carlsbad.net
>
>Hi Larry,
>
>I saw your post on the RV list this morning and thought a couple
>of comments were appropriate.
>
>First, we only use the magnetic dip angle during the magnetic
>calibration process. We use the dip angle to determine the
>"ideal" values we would see in an environment with no inter-
>ference. We then determine the transform that goes between the
>magnetic sensor values we measure in your installation and the
>corresponding ideal values. Once we have the transform, it will
>work over quite a large geographic range.
>
>The heading determination has been much tougher than we
>anticipated, but that seems to have been the case with just
>about every part of the instrument. Right now, we believe we
>will have a +/- 5 degree compass and are pushing to get it
>in the +/- 2 degree range. Most planes will require the
>external magnetometer.
>
>Doug Medema
>Dynon Avionics
>---
>Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003
>
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| Subject: | Re: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP! |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Hi all,
I understand the motivation to build cheap. Most of us have limited
resources one of which is money but the other is time.
When a manufacturer sets out to produce a complex product, like an RV, they
set up a list of specifications which says what the product must be like to
appeal to the market. Such things as price, performance, beauty, quality,
durability, reliability and so on are considered. Some build down to price
and others build up to quality etc. We get to decide whether to be Aero
Trainer quality or Michelin.
Depending on the value of one's time, many things can be made rather than
bought. It is hard to make a com radio but easy to make the antenna. How
to value your time is a big subject all in itself.
At least all this rambling doesn't go off into religion. Please don't put
religious words in your valued emails as my filter shitcans such drivel.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Long Dynon Thoughts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "WALTER KERR" <kerrjb@msn.com>
Hi Larry,
Gosh it was good to get a message about flying or building on the rv list.
I think you have all the right questions and I am going to order one as soon
as the AOA is available. It just sounds almost too good to be true. They
have promised to give us early interested signer uppers advance notice
before they up the price. Hopefully they will take some tips from Van and
only make a reasonable return on their investment. Everything points to some
savy folks making decisions for the company since they did hold off
deliveries until it was apparently working in most situations.
You guys that are flying, please keep us posted on how the D-10 is
performing.
Bernie Kerr, 6A flying, 9A rotary building
May God bless each and everyone of you!!
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
Subject: RV-List: Long Dynon Thoughts
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
>
> Listers:
>
> I had not been following the development of the Dynon EFIS-D10. There are
> many things under development that sound good but never come to fruition.
> However, when actual flight reports started showing up it was impossible
for
> even me to ignore this device any longer.
>
> I have a vacuum system powering an attitude indicator and heading
indicator.
> Although I have gloated on this list about the fact my gyro instruments
were
> still working despite quite a bit of aerobatic flight, this is no longer
> true. For the last 50 or so hours the attitude indicator has been
> intermittently slow to erect. Sometimes it would not erect until 15
minutes
> into a flight, sometimes it would erect upon engine start. This alone,
was
> enough to make it useless for IFR flight for me. On a recent flight the
AI
> erected fine, but during the flight the horizon bar very gradually crept
> upward (showing a nose down attitude), during level flight. Finally it
went
> so high it was out of the adjustment range of the instrument. Later in
the
> flight it tumbled. On the next flight it worked fine. My heading
indicator
> seems about typical. On some flights it may not need adjustment for 40
> minutes while other times it seems to need to be reset every 5 minutes.
> RPM, heading? I don't know why it acts this way. My rate of turn
> indication is my Navaid Devices autopilot. I love the instrument, for its
> price, but this indication is inaccurate on mine. It is determined by the
> strength of two different springs that oppose one another. Apparently the
> springs are not perfectly balanced.
>
> These types of problems, which are very common in my experience, along
with
> a vacuum pump that may or may not be at around its mtbf, make some
features
> of the D10 very appealing. Having both of the gyros overhauled and
> replacing the pump would be very near the cost of the D10. I do not have
> confidence that the overhauled AI, a mechanical nightmare of high speeds
and
> precision bearings, would have a long and healthy life. So being able to
> shelve these heavy, mechanical monstrosities, along with an undependable
> vacuum pump, lots of hose, fittings, a large firewall penetration, a
filter,
> and a regulator has considerable appeal at this time.
>
> I love the ideal of stabilized heading indication (equivalent to a slaved
> gyro system?). To me this has always been one of those deluxe things that
> are great when you are flying an expensive airplane that has it, but is
too
> costly to buy for your own airplane. The problem is that it is not
> available yet. I want to see how well it works. I am not encouraged too
> much by the talk in the manual about inputting your local dip. Is it only
> going to work at that location? These things are for traveling. One
would
> hope it would work acceptably over a reasonably large area. If the remote
> sensor is necessary, it seems like using adhesive to attach it to the
floor,
> back in the tail, would be a simple option.
>
> I don't think the heading display is near as useful as a standard heading
> indicator, where you can determine direction relationships at a glance.
> Things like reciprocals, 45's and 90's. I would miss this but could live
> with it if the heading function works well. It is great that the D10 has
a
> heading bug, but once again, I think it is not as useful as the one on a
> standard heading indicator, where you can quickly spin the knob. On the
> D10, you have to select the bug through menus. Doesn't sound very
practical
> on an ILS approach.
>
> With the internal backup battery, I would be very confident using the D10
to
> replace the heading and attitude instruments, which is all I am interested
> in. Intuitively a failure of the D10 would be a kablooey type failure,
> where it just quits working. The typical gradual failure of a gyro
> intrument is hard to recognize and potentially more dangerous, I think. I
> would retain my mechanical airspeed indicator and altimeter and continue
> using the encoder in my Rocky Mountain Instruments microEncoder.
>
> It doesn't sound like the attitude indication errors will be significant
in
> the D10. I just looked at my FAA "Instrument Flying Handbook." It lists
> about half a page of errors inherent in the mechanical instrument. A turn
> precesses the instrument toward the inside of the turn and errors in both
> pitch and bank occur during normal turns. During acceleration a climb is
> indicated and the opposite is shown during deceleration. A 3 to 5 degree
> error is common.
>
> Much lighter, no moving parts, no tumbling, no wear. It sure sounds
great.
>
> Like another lister, my main worry would be being stuck with unsupported,
> broken hardware, although if this thing is as successful as it seems like
it
> should be, I would expect competitors to spring up. I would sure hate to
> reinstall all that junk I have now!
>
> Larry Pardue
> Carlsbad, NM
>
> RV-6 N441LP Flying
> http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
>
>
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| Subject: | the "RV-List" versus "Faith Based e-mail" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Well... it took awhile to shake Glenn out of his tree, but now he's out with
a vengeance.
Chuck
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: faith based e-mail
> --> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
>
> All: you who know my previous e-mails know that I am
> very religious and where I stand on the issue. That
> said I am tired of pulling punches for you
> non-believers. So listen up and let me offend you.
>
> 1. You have a chance to be saved. (read John 3:16)
> 2. you have a chance to go to hell. (read the Bible)
>
> these are your choices. An after life of pleasure or
> eternal pain. God wants to save all who will listen
> but if you dont that's okay too as God will turn away
> from you and sentence you to an eternity of Weeping
> and gnashing of teeth. Those that want Salvation seek
> and ye shall find, those that dont, dont. It is your
> choice always has been and always will be. Now that we
> understand each other, dont e-mail me about not saying
> anything religious on this list. I will delete you and
> I dont care if it makes you mad. You feel free to
> express your opinion against religion and I feel free
> to preach it so we are at a crossroads. You non
> believers will one day bow at the feet of Jesus Christ
> and try to get into heaven and he will say to you
> "depart from me, I never knew you" now the question of
> the day. DO YOU WANT TO HEAR THOSE WORDS? Some of you
> are going to try and say oh look Glenn is Holier than
> thou. I am not, what I am trying to get through to all
> of you is, this is America, Americas values were and
> are based on Christian values and because of perople
> like you we are slowly but surely getting away from
> being able to voice an opinion beacuase it is not
> politically correct or it offends you. Well so what I
> am excersizing my right of the freedom of speech. I am
> a proud member of the armed forces reserves an rv8A
> builder and the last time I checked an all American
> patriot and lover of freedom. And I just exercised it.
>
> well I am off my soap box flame away. And if your
> going to flame do it publically not privately as we
> are all on this list.
>
> Glenn Williams
>
> do not archive
>
>
> =====
> Glenn Williams
> 8A
> A&P
> N81GW
>
> __________________________________
> http://search.yahoo.com
>
>
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Please Read)
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Okay guys, this is getting a little out of hand. First, let me
unequivocally state that as a Christian myself, I am in no way offended by
anyone's faith-based signature lines.
HOWEVER, the RV-List is *not* the place for continuing discussions of faith
or religious debates. Reading over the List Usage Guidelines, you will
find the all posts are to be related to RVs in some way (please refer to
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm ).
The bottom line is, I don't care what people put in their signatures as
long as it isn't obviously offensive. Com'on, we all know what that
means. What I do ask is that people trim their signatures down to a
smallish-size for the sake of the Archive file.
Now, let's get back to RV discussions... Really, I insist...
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin
At 09:21 AM 4/30/2003 Wednesday, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
>
>All: you who know my previous e-mails know that I am
>very religious and where I stand on the issue. That
><...>
>Glenn Williams
>
>do not archive
>
>
>=====
>Glenn Williams
>8A
>A&P
>N81GW
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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There's three sides to every story, babe. There's your's;
there's mine; and there's the cold, hard truth...
Don Henley
Long Way Home, 1982
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| Subject: | Re: faith based e-mail |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
As glenn williams was saying:
> --> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
>
> non-believers. So listen up and let me offend you.
>
> 1. You have a chance to be saved. (read John 3:16)
> 2. you have a chance to go to hell. (read the Bible)
My religion says that christians will be rendered down for their
fat and tortured eternally by malevolent demons.
The way I see it, you have two choices:
1. Convert to Kyshaism
2. Die and suffer an everlasting pall of agony and horror.
It's all written in a book, too, so it's gotta be real.
I pity you poor non-believers, and fear for your souls; I only want to
convert you because I care.
-Kysh
--
"And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a thousand
thousand
fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great storm shall cover the earth,
and
the followers of Mammon shall tremble."
The Book of Mozilla, 3:31
(Red Letter Edition)
do not archive
(I'm very sorry for continuing this- I agree it's off topic, but my 'hackles are
raised')
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
PLEASE,
Everyone now S T O P this ongoing NOISE & CLUTTERING UP OF SPACE, as it
really detracts from the original purpose of Matt's List's!
Do Not Archive this either!
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| Subject: | Re: faith based e-mail |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Whatever happened to a good old fashioned primer or fixed vs. constant speed
debate?
I miss the old days. *sigh*
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
(insert personal belief here, or at least rent one first and see if you like
it)
do not fold, spindle, mutilate, render, blaspheme, debase or archive this
meager attempt at comic relief
>--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
>
>As glenn williams was saying:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
> >
> > non-believers. So listen up and let me offend you.
> >
> > 1. You have a chance to be saved. (read John 3:16)
> > 2. you have a chance to go to hell. (read the Bible)
>
>My religion says that christians will be rendered down for their
>fat and tortured eternally by malevolent demons.
>
>The way I see it, you have two choices:
>
>1. Convert to Kyshaism
>2. Die and suffer an everlasting pall of agony and horror.
>
>It's all written in a book, too, so it's gotta be real.
>
>I pity you poor non-believers, and fear for your souls; I only want to
>convert you because I care.
>
>-Kysh
>
>--
>
>"And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a
>thousand thousand
>fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great storm shall cover
>the earth, and
>the followers of Mammon shall tremble."
>
> The Book of Mozilla, 3:31
> (Red Letter Edition)
>
>
>do not archive
>(I'm very sorry for continuing this- I agree it's off topic, but my
>'hackles are raised')
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Okay, I'll fess up.... I've got tons of "Spare Parts" (I've already given
away starters, carbs, ASI's, ELT's, Circuit breakers, etc... for free and
still have some left {lots of circuit breakers}). But I've also got a
Lycoming O-320 D1A with only 200 hours TTSN (total time since new) comes
with Slick-Mags, Precision-Carb, & fuel pump from the factory. It is
currently "pickled" in Aero-Shell preservative oil with desiccant plugs
(Coalinga, Cal. is very dry, but just being careful) and is stored in my
hanger. Asking price is $16-k, new it cost over $23-k, and I think the
current prices are even higher. I haven't advertised it anywhere yet
because I wasn't in a hurry to sell it, but with the weather improving (& my
wife not liking me spending $$ on my current plane), I may put it in
Trade-a-Plane and/or on EBAY soon.
Chuck
daytime phone (559) 935-1525 ext. 139
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP!
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
> I bought my 1500 hr O320 for $6000 complete including shipping, and the
> prop was used but never flow for $450 I think...
>
> One thing I can say about building on a budget is that it is very easy to
> keep it light, and man do these things fly nice when they are light!
>
> -Bill Vondane - RV-8A
> www.vondane.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Bristol" <bj034@lafn.org>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP!
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
>
> Very true Scott, I found my "midtime first overhaul" O-360 in a old
friends
> hangar for 4k! Some instruments from similar sources and a radio from a
> destroyed
> Cherokee. The radio was in need of resurrection but I can do that stuff
> myself.
> My RV6 came in just under 30k and of course I've put another 6-7k worth of
> goodies into it since but 29,000+ gave me a fantastic full panel airplane.
> And the only thing that I paid anyone else to do for me was sewing the
seat
> cushions. I only had one skin of leather and I'm a 50% waste kind of
> upholsterer!
>
> Dave, RV6, So Cal
>
>
> Scott Bilinski wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> >
> > I have noticed several builders have mentioned the cost of building.
Some
> > are in the low 30k range others in the low 20 range!!!! I think we need
to
> > document how this is done. Here is what little I can add:
> >
> > I have found that there is real network of people at airports and the
more
> > of them you know the cheaper you can build a plane. For example I have
> seen
> > hundreds of instruments in various hangers which I knowt hey would just
> > about give away. So what I am saying is who you know can make a BIG
> > difference in the cost of building.
> >
> > Anyone else?
> >
> > Scott Bilinski
> > Eng dept 305
> > Phone (858) 657-2536
> > Pager (858) 502-5190
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out - Please Read) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Thank you for that Matt!
Do not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out - Please
Read)
> --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>
> Okay guys, this is getting a little out of hand. First, let me
> unequivocally state that as a Christian myself, I am in no way offended by
> anyone's faith-based signature lines.
>
> HOWEVER, the RV-List is *not* the place for continuing discussions of
faith
> or religious debates. Reading over the List Usage Guidelines, you will
> find the all posts are to be related to RVs in some way (please refer to
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm ).
>
> The bottom line is, I don't care what people put in their signatures as
> long as it isn't obviously offensive. Com'on, we all know what that
> means. What I do ask is that people trim their signatures down to a
> smallish-size for the sake of the Archive file.
>
> Now, let's get back to RV discussions... Really, I insist...
>
> Matt Dralle
> Email List Admin
>
>
> At 09:21 AM 4/30/2003 Wednesday, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
> >
> >All: you who know my previous e-mails know that I am
> >very religious and where I stand on the issue. That
> ><...>
> >Glenn Williams
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >
> >=====
> >Glenn Williams
> >8A
> >A&P
> >N81GW
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> There's three sides to every story, babe. There's your's;
> there's mine; and there's the cold, hard truth...
>
> Don Henley
> Long Way Home, 1982
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: the "RV-List" versus "Faith Based e-mail |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe@ford.com>
Whatever happened to the idea of not discussing religion or politics in strange
company.
For those that care...I wouldn't...I went to parochial schools for 12 years, so
I had the bible read to me backwords, forwards and sideways, and I don't suscribe
to this list to hear about it anymore. There are plenty of nice religion
discussion forums on yahoo, etc., so I'd rather not have to filter through this
list to extract out the RV information...that's the point of having a topic
for the list. Free speech is fine, but let's not turn this list into "The Tower
of Babble" we know what happened to that...
Phil
RV-8A wings
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| Subject: | Re: Recall: Re: the "RV-List" versus "Faith Based e-mail |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe@ford.com>
Wiethe, Philip (P.J.) would like to recall the message, "Re: the "RV-List" versus
"Faith Based e-mail".
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| Subject: | Bakersfield Peace Wing & Ride Fly-In @ L45 |
--> RV-List message posted by: MeangreenRV4@aol.com
Saturday May 3rd
Its a possibility the weather might suck on Saturday but if it doesn't fly in
to Bakersfield Municipal airport (L45) Hot Rods, Motorcycles, Live Band, BBQ
and some of the hottest airplanes in the valley....see you there!
Tim Barnes
Meangreen RV4
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| Subject: | Re: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out -Please Read) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
Matt Dralle wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
> Okay guys, this is getting a little out of hand. First, let me
> unequivocally state that as a Christian myself, I am in no way offended by
> anyone's faith-based signature lines.
>
> HOWEVER, the RV-List is *not* the place for continuing discussions of faith
> or religious debates. Reading over the List Usage Guidelines, you will
> find the all posts are to be related to RVs in some way
<snip>
Matt,
I, like most of the other silent RV listers, have been waiting and hoping for
you to take the list back from the religious wars.
Thank you for doing so.
I would suggest, though, that no religious information of any sort is helpful
to the list, even in a signature.
All list members have their own religious beliefs.... or have no such beliefs.
All and everyone deserve respect.
The multicultural, multiethnic, and multireligious nature of America is
reflected in the list.
All list members participate because of a shared interest in RV's.
Therefore, anyone writing about their own religious beliefs on this list,
signature or not, does two things:
1. Invite those who differ to express their own beliefs.
2. Tacitly (or not so tacitly) suggest that their words should apply to all.
Neither of these is appropriate, repectful, or helpful.
So, can we simply not have any further religious expression on the RV list?
Just one man's humble opinion.
Robert
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| Subject: | Re: faith based e-mail |
--> RV-List message posted by: "alexoas" <alexoas21@hotmail.com>
Greetings Glenn,
Life is too short not to engage in some banter from time to time.
The jest of your post according to you and I quote, is ." I am not, what I
am trying to get through to all of you is, this is America, Americas values
were and are based on Christian values and because of perople like you we
are slowly but surely getting away from being able to voice an opinion
beacuase it is not politically correct or it offends you. Well so what I am
excersizing my right of the freedom of speech. I am a proud member of the
armed forces reserves an rv8A builder and the last time I checked an all
American patriot and lover of freedom. And I just exercised it." .
First, I am very pleased for you that you perceive yourself as a "proud
American, member of the US reserve, a RV8A builder and an all American
patriot," God knows that we need more people like you so the rest of the
world can have adequate opportunity to acquire and practice compassion and
tolerance for others.
Your message serves to reveal to us the practical consequences of following
in the unique footsteps of your beliefs and personal faith.
My choice is not to measure Americans, members of the US Reserve, builders
and aviators of RVs and all other homebuilts, and patriots of America or
other nations of this global village by your testament or point of view.
I neither intend to flame nor delete you. The spirit of this newsletter, is
to have a forum where individuals can voice and share their interests and
knowledge. Those that use an open mind to honestly discuss, debate and
evolve the group understanding provide a service and value for us all. There
is nothing wrong with having a passionate and dedicated conviction that
your strategy and practice is best. However, any sensible and prudent
aviator would best base their choices on real facts and performance records
before they adapt their aircraft or flying practices based on what someone
claims to be the truth, the whole truth.
So in closing, I am truly pleased for you Glenn that you are so happy and
completed by your individual beliefs and convictions. And especially that
your words and manner manifest such an exemplary standard of understanding
and compassion for others of differing views and other cultures. Now if
you would please post your plans and performance specs in this newsletter
so we each can view and consider the value and merit of your claims. After
all you won't advise a VFR pilot to follow an un-proven instructor into an
IFR condition just based on their belief and a promise, would you?
Be well Glenn.
Orest Sokil
----- Original Message -----
From: "glenn williams" <willig10@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: faith based e-mail
> --> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
>
> All: you who know my previous e-mails know that I am
> very religious and where I stand on the issue. That
> said I am tired of pulling punches for you
> non-believers. So listen up and let me offend you.
>
> 1. You have a chance to be saved. (read John 3:16)
> 2. you have a chance to go to hell. (read the Bible)
>
> these are your choices. An after life of pleasure or
> eternal pain. God wants to save all who will listen
> but if you dont that's okay too as God will turn away
> from you and sentence you to an eternity of Weeping
> and gnashing of teeth. Those that want Salvation seek
> and ye shall find, those that dont, dont. It is your
> choice always has been and always will be. Now that we
> understand each other, dont e-mail me about not saying
> anything religious on this list. I will delete you and
> I dont care if it makes you mad. You feel free to
> express your opinion against religion and I feel free
> to preach it so we are at a crossroads. You non
> believers will one day bow at the feet of Jesus Christ
> and try to get into heaven and he will say to you
> "depart from me, I never knew you" now the question of
> the day. DO YOU WANT TO HEAR THOSE WORDS? Some of you
> are going to try and say oh look Glenn is Holier than
> thou. I am not, what I am trying to get through to all
> of you is, this is America, Americas values were and
> are based on Christian values and because of perople
> like you we are slowly but surely getting away from
> being able to voice an opinion beacuase it is not
> politically correct or it offends you. Well so what I
> am excersizing my right of the freedom of speech. I am
> a proud member of the armed forces reserves an rv8A
> builder and the last time I checked an all American
> patriot and lover of freedom. And I just exercised it.
>
> well I am off my soap box flame away. And if your
> going to flame do it publically not privately as we
> are all on this list.
>
> Glenn Williams
>
> do not archive
>
>
> =====
> Glenn Williams
> 8A
> A&P
> N81GW
>
> __________________________________
> http://search.yahoo.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out -Please |
Read)
--> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
Matt,
I would like to second Robert's motion and suggest you add politics to
it as well. We need to concentrate on the RV topics and all gain what
we can from this great resource without the inevitable off topic wars
both these subjects incite.
Respectfully,
Steve
Miller Robert wrote:
>All list members participate because of a shared interest in RV's.
>
>Therefore, anyone writing about their own religious beliefs on this list,
>signature or not, does two things:
>1. Invite those who differ to express their own beliefs.
>2. Tacitly (or not so tacitly) suggest that their words should apply
>to all.
>
>Neither of these is appropriate, repectful, or helpful.
>
>So, can we simply not have any further religious expression on the RV
>list?
>
>Just one man's humble opinion.
>
>Robert
---
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| Subject: | Re: faith based e-mail & microair 760 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Can the microair 760 monitor the standby freq and do you have to install a
separate intercom to conveniently communicate with the back seater?
Is there something else under a grand which does monitor standby freq and
doesn't way 20 pounds and take up a quarter of the 8 panel space?
do not archive
>From: "alexoas" <alexoas21@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail
>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:53:49 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "alexoas" <alexoas21@hotmail.com>
>
>To: Glenn Williams
>Greetings Glenn,
>
>Life is too short not to engage in some banter from time to time.
>
>The jest of your post according to you and I quote, is ." I am not, what I
>am trying to get through to all of you is, this is America, Americas values
>were and are based on Christian values and because of perople like you we
>are slowly but surely getting away from being able to voice an opinion
>beacuase it is not politically correct or it offends you. Well so what I am
>excersizing my right of the freedom of speech. I am a proud member of the
>armed forces reserves an rv8A builder and the last time I checked an all
>American patriot and lover of freedom. And I just exercised it." .
>
>First, I am very pleased for you that you perceive yourself as a "proud
>American, member of the US reserve, a RV8A builder and an all American
>patriot," God knows that we need more people like you so the rest of
>the
>world can have adequate opportunity to acquire and practice compassion and
>tolerance for others.
>
>Your message serves to reveal to us the practical consequences of
>following
>in the unique footsteps of your beliefs and personal faith.
>
>My choice is not to measure Americans, members of the US Reserve, builders
>and aviators of RVs and all other homebuilts, and patriots of America or
>other nations of this global village by your testament or point of view.
>
>I neither intend to flame nor delete you. The spirit of this newsletter,
>is
>to have a forum where individuals can voice and share their interests and
>knowledge. Those that use an open mind to honestly discuss, debate and
>evolve the group understanding provide a service and value for us all.
>There
>is nothing wrong with having a passionate and dedicated conviction that
>your strategy and practice is best. However, any sensible and prudent
>aviator would best base their choices on real facts and performance
>records
>before they adapt their aircraft or flying practices based on what someone
>claims to be the truth, the whole truth.
>
>So in closing, I am truly pleased for you Glenn that you are so happy and
>completed by your individual beliefs and convictions. And especially that
>your words and manner manifest such an exemplary standard of understanding
>and compassion for others of differing views and other cultures. Now if
>you would please post your plans and performance specs in this
>newsletter
>so we each can view and consider the value and merit of your claims. After
>all you won't advise a VFR pilot to follow an un-proven instructor into
>an
>IFR condition just based on their belief and a promise, would you?
>
>Be well Glenn.
>
>Orest Sokil
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "glenn williams" <willig10@yahoo.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: faith based e-mail
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
> >
> > All: you who know my previous e-mails know that I am
> > very religious and where I stand on the issue. That
> > said I am tired of pulling punches for you
> > non-believers. So listen up and let me offend you.
> >
> > 1. You have a chance to be saved. (read John 3:16)
> > 2. you have a chance to go to hell. (read the Bible)
> >
> > these are your choices. An after life of pleasure or
> > eternal pain. God wants to save all who will listen
> > but if you dont that's okay too as God will turn away
> > from you and sentence you to an eternity of Weeping
> > and gnashing of teeth. Those that want Salvation seek
> > and ye shall find, those that dont, dont. It is your
> > choice always has been and always will be. Now that we
> > understand each other, dont e-mail me about not saying
> > anything religious on this list. I will delete you and
> > I dont care if it makes you mad. You feel free to
> > express your opinion against religion and I feel free
> > to preach it so we are at a crossroads. You non
> > believers will one day bow at the feet of Jesus Christ
> > and try to get into heaven and he will say to you
> > "depart from me, I never knew you" now the question of
> > the day. DO YOU WANT TO HEAR THOSE WORDS? Some of you
> > are going to try and say oh look Glenn is Holier than
> > thou. I am not, what I am trying to get through to all
> > of you is, this is America, Americas values were and
> > are based on Christian values and because of perople
> > like you we are slowly but surely getting away from
> > being able to voice an opinion beacuase it is not
> > politically correct or it offends you. Well so what I
> > am excersizing my right of the freedom of speech. I am
> > a proud member of the armed forces reserves an rv8A
> > builder and the last time I checked an all American
> > patriot and lover of freedom. And I just exercised it.
> >
> > well I am off my soap box flame away. And if your
> > going to flame do it publically not privately as we
> > are all on this list.
> >
> > Glenn Williams
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > =====
> > Glenn Williams
> > 8A
> > A&P
> > N81GW
> >
> > __________________________________
> > http://search.yahoo.com
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: faith based e-mail |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
Well,
I am sure glad I joined this list 2 days ago. I would hate to think I
missed all of the helpful ideas relating the the RV6-A I'm building.
God Bless,
Mike Stephenson
Lubbock, TX
fuselage
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--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Okay all you "Nose Draggers", Us "Tail Draggers" have got you beat hands
down. In our Primered, fixed pitched, Beautiful RV-4's we can make a One
Point Landing, drag it down the length of the runway, and take-off without
ever even scuffing our mains. Let's see you "A" types do that. Just admit
it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, the hardest to build, and all the
other RV's wish they were RV-4's (except for the RV-3's, they are like the
little brother of the RV-4).
There now that should get us back on track.
Chuck
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Denk <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
> Whatever happened to a good old fashioned primer or fixed vs. constant
speed
> debate?
>
> I miss the old days. *sigh*
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
> (insert personal belief here, or at least rent one first and see if you
like
> it)
>
> do not fold, spindle, mutilate, render, blaspheme, debase or archive this
> meager attempt at comic relief
>
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
> >
> >As glenn williams was saying:
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > non-believers. So listen up and let me offend you.
> > >
> > > 1. You have a chance to be saved. (read John 3:16)
> > > 2. you have a chance to go to hell. (read the Bible)
> >
> >My religion says that christians will be rendered down for their
> >fat and tortured eternally by malevolent demons.
> >
> >The way I see it, you have two choices:
> >
> >1. Convert to Kyshaism
> >2. Die and suffer an everlasting pall of agony and horror.
> >
> >It's all written in a book, too, so it's gotta be real.
> >
> >I pity you poor non-believers, and fear for your souls; I only want to
> >convert you because I care.
> >
> >-Kysh
> >
> >--
> >
> >"And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a
> >thousand thousand
> >fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great storm shall cover
> >the earth, and
> >the followers of Mammon shall tremble."
> >
> > The Book of Mozilla, 3:31
> > (Red Letter Edition)
> >
> >
> >do not archive
> >(I'm very sorry for continuing this- I agree it's off topic, but my
> >'hackles are raised')
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: faith based e-mail (DELETE NOW :-) |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
In a message dated 04/30/2003 1:57:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alexoas21@hotmail.com writes:
> Now if
> you would please post your plans and performance specs in this
> newsletter
> so we each can view and consider the value and merit of your claims. After
> all you won't advise a VFR pilot to follow an un-proven instructor into
> an
> IFR condition just based on their belief and a promise, would you?
>
Glenn (if I may speak for him) has posted his hypothesis already. Within the
next hundred years, both you and he will experimentally test and verify or
debunk his premise. If he is wrong, neither of you will even be conscious to
know about it, nor will either of you, having croaked, be hardly any worse
off for it. If he is right, it's a whole different (and unimaginably long)
ballgame. I have a feeling that Glenn would hardly consider his Instructor
to be "un-proven."
A Google search under "Josh McDowell" and "Lee Strobels" might turn up some
interesting reading that could let you address this topic with a tad more
intellectual honesty that the bluster and fluff arguments I've seen here so
far.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out - Please Read) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Finally, Thanks Matt!!! My check is in the mail!!
DOC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out - Please
Read)
> --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>
> Okay guys, this is getting a little out of hand. First, let me
> unequivocally state that as a Christian myself, I am in no way offended by
> anyone's faith-based signature lines.
>
> HOWEVER, the RV-List is *not* the place for continuing discussions of
faith
> or religious debates. Reading over the List Usage Guidelines, you will
> find the all posts are to be related to RVs in some way (please refer to
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm ).
>
> The bottom line is, I don't care what people put in their signatures as
> long as it isn't obviously offensive. Com'on, we all know what that
> means. What I do ask is that people trim their signatures down to a
> smallish-size for the sake of the Archive file.
>
> Now, let's get back to RV discussions... Really, I insist...
>
> Matt Dralle
> Email List Admin
>
>
> At 09:21 AM 4/30/2003 Wednesday, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
> >
> >All: you who know my previous e-mails know that I am
> >very religious and where I stand on the issue. That
> ><...>
> >Glenn Williams
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >
> >=====
> >Glenn Williams
> >8A
> >A&P
> >N81GW
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> There's three sides to every story, babe. There's your's;
> there's mine; and there's the cold, hard truth...
>
> Don Henley
> Long Way Home, 1982
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Microair 760 VHF users |
--> RV-List message posted by: Peter Laurence <dr.laurence@mbdi.org>
What kind of antenna was it?
Peter Laurence
----- Original Message -----
:
>
>
> I'm using the 760 in my RV-4 and I'm happy. I use the intercom also and
> don't have any problems. The only thing I would change on my installation
> would be to add a toggle to leave the intercom on for long conversations.
>
> I would suggest mounting the thing eye level near something you can rest
> your hand on when operating the buttons. It's so small it can be
difficult
> to read at an angle and controls are tough to deal with in rough air if
you
> don't have something to steady your hand against.
>
> I recently changed my antenna to get rid of a whole bunch of issues I had
> that I thought were related to the ELT. It turned out to be a cheap
antenna
> that was transmitting RF junk everywhere. It caused squealing in the
> headset, false ELT trips, and background noise. The new antenna fixed all
> of the issues.
>
>
> Pat Perry
> Dallas, PA
> RV-4 N154PK Flies great!
>
>
> >From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek@msn.com>
> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >To: rv8-list@matronics.com, rv8list@yahoogroups.com,
rv-list@matronics.com,
> > vansairforce@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: RV-List: Microair 760 VHF users
> >Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:48:10 -0400
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Al Grajek" <algrajek@msn.com>
> >
> >
> >Listers:
> >Is anyone out there using the Microair 760 VHF transreciever? If so, Are
> >you
> >using their intercom system, and if you are, are you happy with it? I am
> >trying to decide whether I should use it or install a different intercom
> >system.
> >Thanks in advance for your comments.
> >Al Grajek
> >RV8
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Oh yeah?! Well I can do wheel landings just as well as any A$$ dragger out
there! I may have a nose wheel, but it's rarely on the ground!
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Okay all you "Nose Draggers", Us "Tail Draggers" have got you beat hands
down. In our Primered, fixed pitched, Beautiful RV-4's we can make a One
Point Landing, drag it down the length of the runway, and take-off without
ever even scuffing our mains. Let's see you "A" types do that. Just admit
it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, the hardest to build, and all the
other RV's wish they were RV-4's (except for the RV-3's, they are like the
little brother of the RV-4).
There now that should get us back on track.
Chuck
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Denk <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
> Whatever happened to a good old fashioned primer or fixed vs. constant
speed
> debate?
>
> I miss the old days. *sigh*
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
> (insert personal belief here, or at least rent one first and see if you
like
> it)
>
> do not fold, spindle, mutilate, render, blaspheme, debase or archive this
> meager attempt at comic relief
>
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
> >
> >As glenn williams was saying:
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > non-believers. So listen up and let me offend you.
> > >
> > > 1. You have a chance to be saved. (read John 3:16)
> > > 2. you have a chance to go to hell. (read the Bible)
> >
> >My religion says that christians will be rendered down for their
> >fat and tortured eternally by malevolent demons.
> >
> >The way I see it, you have two choices:
> >
> >1. Convert to Kyshaism
> >2. Die and suffer an everlasting pall of agony and horror.
> >
> >It's all written in a book, too, so it's gotta be real.
> >
> >I pity you poor non-believers, and fear for your souls; I only want to
> >convert you because I care.
> >
> >-Kysh
> >
> >--
> >
> >"And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a
> >thousand thousand
> >fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great storm shall cover
> >the earth, and
> >the followers of Mammon shall tremble."
> >
> > The Book of Mozilla, 3:31
> > (Red Letter Edition)
> >
> >
> >do not archive
> >(I'm very sorry for continuing this- I agree it's off topic, but my
> >'hackles are raised')
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out -Please Read) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Well said Robert!
Now, on to airplane stuff. My good friends at Harvey Field in Snohomish WA
called today to remind me that the annual "Spring Fling" takes place at
Harvey Field (S43). This is a really fun little event and attracts some very
nice planes, classics and hotrods. I wouldn't miss it!
DOC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miller Robert" <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out -Please
Read)
> --> RV-List message posted by: Miller Robert <rmiller3@earthlink.net>
>
> Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> >
> > > >
> > HOWEVER, the RV-List is *not* the place for continuing discussions of
faith
> > or religious debates. Reading over the List Usage Guidelines, you will
> > find the all posts are to be related to RVs in some way
>
> <snip>
>
> Matt,
>
> I, like most of the other silent RV listers, have been waiting and hoping
for
> you to take the list back from the religious wars.
> Thank you for doing so.
>
> I would suggest, though, that no religious information of any sort is
helpful
> to the list, even in a signature.
>
>>
> So, can we simply not have any further religious expression on the RV
list?
>
>
> Robert
>
>
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| Subject: | Faith, Christianity, and wheel pants |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
If everyone posts something it will get back on track.
I am mounting the bracket that holds the wheel pants on.
There are some little aluminum spacers that hold the bracket away from the
brakes.
I am having a hard time reading my plans, but it looks like it is 13/32"
I made them that length and the brake disk very lightly rubs the bracket. I
added a washer and there is clearance.
Question is: I am not sure if it is 13/32" or some other number as the plans are
very hard to read. Anyone been there lately?
Phil Sisson at Litchfield, IL
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| Subject: | Re: trailering my RV-4 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RW" <chiefs@teleport.com>
Ron,
Go to your local auto towing company. The tilt tow truck is just perfect
match to the RV.
Dick White
RV-8 N94DW flying
Old Crow
Newport, OR
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Regardless of where the third wheel is located its basic function is a
"taxi/steering" wheel not part of the "landing" gear.
As for the "hardest" to build you left out the RV "derivative" (Van's quote
from RVator) from Bakersfield, John Harmons HRII. You start with an RV-4
and then get into some serious building to make it into a Rocket. HRII 115
hrs N561FS. Waiting for the RV-10. KABONG (GBA) Do Not Archive
> Oh yeah?! Well I can do wheel landings just as well as any A$$ dragger
out
> there! I may have a nose wheel, but it's rarely on the ground!
>
> -Bill
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, the hardest to build, and all the
> Chuck
> do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
I need a quick lesson on sizing tires and tubes...
I think that "11.4 x 5" means an 11 inch diameter x 4 ply x 5" inside diameter.
Did I get it right?
thanks in advance...
Evan Johnson at proseal HQ
www.evansaviationproducts.com
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| Subject: | Langley RV Fly-in 2003 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing and the Langley Aero Club are holding the
second annual Langley RV Fly-in on Saturday, June 7, 2003 at Langley airport
(CYNJ), Langley, British Columbia. Langley is about 20 nm north of Bellingham,
WA. It will be essentially identical to last year's fly-in, only with better
weather. Keep an eye on the Fly-in web page for details,
http://www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ
For U.S. visitors, the web page has details on the border crossing procedures.
It's really quite straightforward, and worth the trouble. As Randall Henderson
of the Home Wing said, "Overcome whatever reservations you have -- its worth
it! Not only for Langley but in general, once you've done the crossing a time
or two it becomes routine, and what you find out is that there's a whole other
COUNTRY to explore up there! I can't wait to get back up and do some more
exploring north of the border this summer." (Thanks for the quote, Randall.)
There will be a seminar on RVs by Eustace Bowhay, and an "Introduction to RV
Building" seminar by me. There's also a People's Choice award for the best RV,
and a Furthest RV award for the RV that comes from the furthest away. The
Fraser Blues, a local Navion formation team, will do a demonstration. We'll
also have hot dogs and chilli, tours of the Canadian Museum of Flight, free
camping on the field, and lots of RVs to look at. You can come for the day,
camp on the field, or stay in one of the hotels near the airport. There are
links to the local Travelodge on the web page.
Naturally, we're encouraging anyone who wants to fly in, regardless of what
type of airplane they have.
---
Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org
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| Subject: | Checkerboarding experiment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
OK, gang here's your chance to try your ideas on rudder checkerboarding at
no expense too you. Since I have already built the small RV rudder and have
the new rudder about 1/2 way done, I am going to paint the small rudder and
try different techniques in checkerboarding. I plan on splitting the
checkerboard up into four sections and try four different ways to paint it.
One plan is to have a client in the sign business, make me a bunch of vinyl
squares to adhere onto the Imron, paint in the missing squares and remove
the vinyl. The second is to use tape, mask and paint that 1/4 along with
the vinyl stick-on 1/4 in one sitting. Here's where the group comes in:
Does anyone have a technique they want tried? If so, let me know how you
want it done and with what material. I will be checkerboarding gold Imron
over black Imron. I've checked the archives but if anyone has a tried and
proven way let me know, I will want to try that also.
Forget it......just like the Relig word, you can't change my mind about
painting the airplane black:-) Already talked with a couple builders who
have been down that road........the only comment in common was....."You'll
love it". Black exterior, gold trim, gold interior, carbon fiber panel
overlay (remember my first airplane was plastic), black leather
seats.............HOT in more ways than one.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> Regardless of where the third wheel is located its basic function is a
> "taxi/steering" wheel not part of the "landing" gear.
You've obviously never seen any of my landings.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
-6 wings
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| Subject: | Re: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Yeah, but tail wheels are cheaper to re-place than mains... so nah nah.
Chuck
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Oh yeah?! Well I can do wheel landings just as well as any A$$ dragger
out
> there! I may have a nose wheel, but it's rarely on the ground!
>
> -Bill
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Okay all you "Nose Draggers", Us "Tail Draggers" have got you beat hands
> down. In our Primered, fixed pitched, Beautiful RV-4's we can make a One
> Point Landing, drag it down the length of the runway, and take-off
without
> ever even scuffing our mains. Let's see you "A" types do that. Just
admit
> it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, the hardest to build, and all the
> other RV's wish they were RV-4's (except for the RV-3's, they are like the
> little brother of the RV-4).
>
> There now that should get us back on track.
>
> Chuck
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Denk <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Whatever happened to a good old fashioned primer or fixed vs. constant
> speed
> > debate?
> >
> > I miss the old days. *sigh*
> >
> > Brian Denk
> > RV8 N94BD
> > (insert personal belief here, or at least rent one first and see if you
> like
> > it)
> >
> > do not fold, spindle, mutilate, render, blaspheme, debase or archive
this
> > meager attempt at comic relief
> >
> >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
> > >
> > >As glenn williams was saying:
> > > > --> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
> > > >
> > > > non-believers. So listen up and let me offend you.
> > > >
> > > > 1. You have a chance to be saved. (read John 3:16)
> > > > 2. you have a chance to go to hell. (read the Bible)
> > >
> > >My religion says that christians will be rendered down for their
> > >fat and tortured eternally by malevolent demons.
> > >
> > >The way I see it, you have two choices:
> > >
> > >1. Convert to Kyshaism
> > >2. Die and suffer an everlasting pall of agony and horror.
> > >
> > >It's all written in a book, too, so it's gotta be real.
> > >
> > >I pity you poor non-believers, and fear for your souls; I only want to
> > >convert you because I care.
> > >
> > >-Kysh
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > >"And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a
> > >thousand thousand
> > >fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great storm shall
cover
> > >the earth, and
> > >the followers of Mammon shall tremble."
> > >
> > > The Book of Mozilla, 3:31
> > > (Red Letter Edition)
> > >
> > >
> > >do not archive
> > >(I'm very sorry for continuing this- I agree it's off topic, but my
> > >'hackles are raised')
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-6A transporting advise needed |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
<< If everyone posts something it will get back on track.>>
2 days ago I purchased an incomplete RV-6A kit. All the skin work is
complete, but the tail feathers,wings and cowling are not mounted. The panel
is complete. Canopy frame on but canopy Plexiglas not on. No engine nor prop
(I looking to buy)
I need to get it from Wisconsin to West Texas. Should I haul it on the gear
or off.
My choices are to fly up and rent a one way truck for $ 1,200.00 or go get
it with flat bed trailer and build crates to protect it from the rain and
hail.
What has been your experience?
Regards,
Mike Stephenson
Lubbock, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
John,
I thought you "Rocket Scientists" started with a P-51 and cut it down?
At least that's what the Bakersfield Bunch told me.
Chuck
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: John Starn <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
>
> Regardless of where the third wheel is located its basic function is a
> "taxi/steering" wheel not part of the "landing" gear.
> As for the "hardest" to build you left out the RV "derivative" (Van's
quote
> from RVator) from Bakersfield, John Harmons HRII. You start with an RV-4
> and then get into some serious building to make it into a Rocket. HRII
115
> hrs N561FS. Waiting for the RV-10. KABONG (GBA) Do Not Archive
>
> > Oh yeah?! Well I can do wheel landings just as well as any A$$ dragger
> out
> > there! I may have a nose wheel, but it's rarely on the ground!
> >
> > -Bill
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> > it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, the hardest to build, and all the
> > Chuck
> > do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
Sorry dude...it just ain't the same.........P-)
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, aka J3-with-speed-kit
Hillsboro, OR
13B in gestation mode
At 13:22 2003-04-30 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
>Oh yeah?! Well I can do wheel landings just as well as any A$$ dragger out
>there! I may have a nose wheel, but it's rarely on the ground!
>
>-Bill
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
>Okay all you "Nose Draggers", Us "Tail Draggers" have got you beat hands
>down. In our Primered, fixed pitched, Beautiful RV-4's we can make a One
>Point Landing, drag it down the length of the runway, and take-off without
>ever even scuffing our mains. Let's see you "A" types do that. Just admit
>it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, the hardest to build, and all the
>other RV's wish they were RV-4's (except for the RV-3's, they are like the
>little brother of the RV-4).
>
>There now that should get us back on track.
>
> Chuck
>do not archive
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Brian Denk <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Whatever happened to a good old fashioned primer or fixed vs. constant
>speed
> > debate?
> >
> > I miss the old days. *sigh*
> >
> > Brian Denk
> > RV8 N94BD
> > (insert personal belief here, or at least rent one first and see if you
>like
> > it)
> >
> > do not fold, spindle, mutilate, render, blaspheme, debase or archive this
> > meager attempt at comic relief
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| Subject: | Re: Checkerboarding experiment |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larygagnon@aol.com
I just finished painting my 6 with a checkerboard pattern on the rudder and
underside of stab and wing. It was a time intensive effort to mask, shoot,
remask, shoot second color (blue and silver on white) and then clear. I went
to a single stage paint (PPG Concept) when my head cleared and I came to my
senses and it made the fuselage stripes much easier. I probably should have
masked off the area for checkerboard and painted it all silver then mask off
the squares and with the rest of the wing still masked spray the darker blue,
it would have saved a lot of time and materials to not have to mask and
remask a number of times. If I had it to do over I'd have used the vinyl
graphics. If you grow tired of your trim design it's possible to change it
without the problems of repainting. I've seen some really sharp paint jobs
with checkerboards but after trying to lay them out myself and not being
happy with the results I kept it pretty simple. Good luck, I'll follow this
thread but I wish you'd started this some months ago. ;-)
Larry Gagnon RV6 N6LG at airport
Kitfox N102LG 220 hrs for sale (need room)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-6A transporting advise needed |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
1. Hitch hike to Wisconsin.
2. Camp there while completing RV
3. Fly home.
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| Subject: | Re: Checkerboarding experiment |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Other than temp issues, dark colors show up the surface imperfections far
better (or is that worse) than light colors. You might say it magnifies,
dings, ripples, waves, etc.
At 05:20 PM 4/30/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
>OK, gang here's your chance to try your ideas on rudder checkerboarding at
>no expense too you. Since I have already built the small RV rudder and have
>the new rudder about 1/2 way done, I am going to paint the small rudder and
>try different techniques in checkerboarding. I plan on splitting the
>checkerboard up into four sections and try four different ways to paint it.
>One plan is to have a client in the sign business, make me a bunch of vinyl
>squares to adhere onto the Imron, paint in the missing squares and remove
>the vinyl. The second is to use tape, mask and paint that 1/4 along with
>the vinyl stick-on 1/4 in one sitting. Here's where the group comes in:
>Does anyone have a technique they want tried? If so, let me know how you
>want it done and with what material. I will be checkerboarding gold Imron
>over black Imron. I've checked the archives but if anyone has a tried and
>proven way let me know, I will want to try that also.
>
>Forget it......just like the Relig word, you can't change my mind about
>painting the airplane black:-) Already talked with a couple builders who
>have been down that road........the only comment in common was....."You'll
>love it". Black exterior, gold trim, gold interior, carbon fiber panel
>overlay (remember my first airplane was plastic), black leather
>seats.............HOT in more ways than one.
>
>
>Dana Overall
>Richmond, KY
>RV-7 slider/fuselage
>http://rvflying.tripod.com
>do not archive
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Checkerboarding experiment |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
At 03:20 PM 4/30/2003, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
>OK, gang here's your chance to try your ideas on rudder checkerboarding at
>no expense too you.
I would think that it would be fun to Alodine (Iridite) in a
checkerboard pattern and leave the rest bare alclad (or very light
Alodine.) Very lightweight. Should look very sharp.
One could get fancy and do horizontal stripes in one light pass,
then do vertical stripes in a second "coat" of Alodine. The final effect
would have alternating dark and light Alodine squares, if you know what I
mean.
One could do something similar with "candy" type paint. Or one
could overcoat with candy paint, letting the gold and silver pattern shine
through.
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| Subject: | Re: Faith, Christianity, and wheel pants |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club"
<sisson@consolidated.net>
>
> If everyone posts something it will get back on track.
>
> I am mounting the bracket that holds the wheel pants on.
>
> There are some little aluminum spacers that hold the bracket away from the
> brakes.
>
> I am having a hard time reading my plans, but it looks like it is 13/32"
>
> I made them that length and the brake disk very lightly rubs the bracket.
I
> added a washer and there is clearance.
>
> Question is: I am not sure if it is 13/32" or some other number as the
plans are
> very hard to read. Anyone been there lately?
>
> Phil Sisson at Litchfield, IL
Don't have the absolute answer but for all those operating off grass strips,
I would suggest throwing away the aluminum spacer stock that came with the
kit (RV-4 anyway) and getting some steel material. My brackets (and
wheelpants) were constantly getting loose & floppy until I switched to
steel.
Tracy Crook
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| Subject: | Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Hey Chuck!
**The hardest to build---?? You tail draggers!! You are a spoilt bunch! You plug
in your gear legs into sockets conveniently provided in the engine mount, you
have unobstructed access to the bolts that hold the wing spars and the RV-4
has a screwed in-panel nose skin for easy access behind the instrument panel---etc,
etc. I'd like to see you go through the contortions us slow-build, non
prepunched, RV-6A builders had to endure, like installing and torquing the 76
bolts that hold the wing spars and the main gear leg weldments to the main bulk-head
with practically impossible access under the weldments, and then crawl
under the instrument sub-panel to buck the rivets securing the nose-skin to the
main longerons requiring butchered bucking bars to reach the tight places!!
Give me a break!
Cheers!!-----Henry Hore
> Just admit it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, **(the hardest to build,) and
all the
>other RV's wish they were RV-4's (except for the RV-3's, they are like the
>little brother of the RV-4).----
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| Subject: | Re: Faith, Christianity, and wheel pants |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
> Thanks Tracy,
> Do you have the big "pressure recovery pants"? I use steel on my Pitts and it
> is never loose. Only three 3/16 bolts holding them on, two on inside (front
> and back of axle) and one on outside in the center of the axle. Never lost a
> wheel pant yet, even in Lomcevacs.
Phil
>
>
> Don't have the absolute answer but for all those operating off grass strips,
> I would suggest throwing away the aluminum spacer stock that came with the
> kit (RV-4 anyway) and getting some steel material. My brackets (and
> wheelpants) were constantly getting loose & floppy until I switched to
> steel.
>
> Tracy Crook
>
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| Subject: | Re: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out - Please Read) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Matt,
Thanks,
Chuck
>From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: faith based e-mail (List Admin Speaks Out - Please
>Read)
>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:03:28 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>
>Okay guys, this is getting a little out of hand. First, let me
>unequivocally state that as a Christian myself, I am in no way offended by
>anyone's faith-based signature lines.
>
>HOWEVER, the RV-List is *not* the place for continuing discussions of faith
>or religious debates. Reading over the List Usage Guidelines, you will
>find the all posts are to be related to RVs in some way (please refer to
>http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm ).
>
>The bottom line is, I don't care what people put in their signatures as
>long as it isn't obviously offensive. Com'on, we all know what that
>means. What I do ask is that people trim their signatures down to a
>smallish-size for the sake of the Archive file.
>
>Now, let's get back to RV discussions... Really, I insist...
>
>Matt Dralle
>Email List Admin
>
>
>At 09:21 AM 4/30/2003 Wednesday, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
> >
> >All: you who know my previous e-mails know that I am
> >very religious and where I stand on the issue. That
> ><...>
> >Glenn Williams
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >
> >=====
> >Glenn Williams
> >8A
> >A&P
> >N81GW
>
>
>Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> There's three sides to every story, babe. There's your's;
> there's mine; and there's the cold, hard truth...
>
> Don Henley
> Long Way Home, 1982
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Checkerboarding experiment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Very true, but as George Barris once said, "If it is perfect, paint it
black!" There's no doubt about it, black is cool!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Bilinski" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Checkerboarding experiment
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> Other than temp issues, dark colors show up the surface imperfections far
> better (or is that worse) than light colors. You might say it magnifies,
> dings, ripples, waves, etc.
>
>
> At 05:20 PM 4/30/03 -0400, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >
> > >
> >Forget it......just like the Relig word, you can't change my mind about
> >painting the airplane black:-) Already talked with a couple builders who
> >have been down that road........the only comment in common
was....."You'll
> >love it". Black exterior, gold trim, gold interior, carbon fiber panel
> >overlay (remember my first airplane was plastic), black leather
> >seats.............HOT in more ways than one.
> >
> >
> >Dana Overall
> >Richmond, KY
> >RV-7 slider/fuselage
> >http://rvflying.tripod.com
> >do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
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| Subject: | RV Builders Class |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph Koger" <rhkoger@fbx.com>
> RV Builders Class!!!
>
> Sign up for Cleaveland Aircraft Tool's first structured class to be held
> Friday, June 20th in Boone, Iowa.
>
> The class will last one day and focus on RV metalworking techniques.
>
> Cost for this class will be $100, half of what the following classes will
> be.
>
> After the class stick around for the Boone Area RVators Fly-In on Saturday
> June 21st.
> There is usually 25-30 RVs, and have several projects going together on
the
> field.
>
>
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| Subject: | Boone, IA RVators Fly-in |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph Koger" <rhkoger@fbx.com>
> Boone RVators Fly-In on Saturday June 21st.
>
> The Boone Area RVators will host the annual fly in on Saturday June 21st
in
> Boone Iowa (BNW). We usually have 25-30 RVs fly in, kick tires in the
> morning and have lunch at noon. This year there are three RV projects
being
> assembled in one hangar at the airport. It is a great opportunity for
> finished builders to get together and for beginners to see projects in
> various stages of completion.
>
> See www.cleavelandtool.com for more information.
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
The quick answer is that it would probably be 11.4 inch diameter on a 5 inch
dia. wheel. There are several different numbering conventions. Download this
Goodyear data book from the Desser site and you'll get more info on sizes
than you thought possible.
http://www.desser.com/gydatabook.pdf
It's about a 1mb PDF.
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
> --> <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
>
> I need a quick lesson on sizing tires and tubes...
> I think that "11.4 x 5" means an 11 inch diameter x 4 ply x
> 5" inside diameter. Did I get it right?
>
> thanks in advance...
>
> Evan Johnson at proseal HQ
> www.evansaviationproducts.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Elsa & Henry wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
>
> Hey Chuck!
> **The hardest to build---?? You tail draggers!! You are a spoilt bunch! You plug
in your gear legs into sockets conveniently provided in the engine mount,
you have unobstructed access to the bolts that hold the wing spars and the RV-4
has a screwed in-panel nose skin for easy access behind the instrument panel---etc,
etc. I'd like to see you go through the contortions us slow-build, non
prepunched, RV-6A builders had to endure, like installing and torquing the 76
bolts that hold the wing spars and the main gear leg weldments to the main bulk-head
with practically impossible access under the weldments, and then crawl
under the instrument sub-panel to buck the rivets securing the nose-skin to
the main longerons requiring butchered bucking bars to reach the tight places!!
Give me a break!
>
> Cheers!!-----Henry Hore
>
> > Just admit it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, **(the hardest to build,)
and all the
> >other RV's wish they were RV-4's (except for the RV-3's, they are like the
> >little brother of the RV-4).----
>
I agree Henry, it ain't easy being easy........... Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
Chuck,
After twenty years of flying a supersonic jet fighter - the F-4G -, the
P-51 is small potatoes (can't believe I really had the nerve to type that)
:-) .
I took a novel approach. I started with a RV-4 tail kit. Had to fight with
my co-workers for several months about the Rocket but one hundred hamburger
flight to Bakersfield changed their minds and work on the rocket started.
Flys great.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> John,
>
> I thought you "Rocket Scientists" started with a P-51 and cut it down?
> At least that's what the Bakersfield Bunch told me.
>
> Chuck
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Starn <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Regardless of where the third wheel is located its basic function is a
> > "taxi/steering" wheel not part of the "landing" gear.
> > As for the "hardest" to build you left out the RV "derivative" (Van's
> quote
> > from RVator) from Bakersfield, John Harmons HRII. You start with an
RV-4
> > and then get into some serious building to make it into a Rocket. HRII
> 115
> > hrs N561FS. Waiting for the RV-10. KABONG (GBA) Do Not Archive
> >
> > > Oh yeah?! Well I can do wheel landings just as well as any A$$
dragger
> > out
> > > there! I may have a nose wheel, but it's rarely on the ground!
> > >
> > > -Bill
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> >
> > > it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, the hardest to build, and all
the
> > > Chuck
> > > do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Checkerboarding experiment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Imperfections..........we don't need no stinking imperfections (that is
except for that one non standard shop rivet head), you had to see Blazing
Saddles to know that statement:-).
BTW, the rudder is already primed........bring on the ideas you want me to
experiment with and I'll post the results.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
>From: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Checkerboarding experiment
>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:18:07 -0600
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>
>At 03:20 PM 4/30/2003, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >
> >OK, gang here's your chance to try your ideas on rudder checkerboarding
>at
> >no expense too you.
>
> I would think that it would be fun to Alodine (Iridite) in a
>checkerboard pattern and leave the rest bare alclad (or very light
>Alodine.) Very lightweight. Should look very sharp.
>
> One could get fancy and do horizontal stripes in one light pass,
>then do vertical stripes in a second "coat" of Alodine. The final effect
>would have alternating dark and light Alodine squares, if you know what I
>mean.
>
> One could do something similar with "candy" type paint. Or one
>could overcoat with candy paint, letting the gold and silver pattern shine
>through.
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
i need a pateren for control stick boot? any ideas?
jerry wilken
albany oregon
rv6a n699wp
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| Subject: | Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
I agree that it's a lot harder to build and maintain a training wheel airplane,
but you "-A" builders did have a "CHOICE" and now you gotta pay. It probably
would have been easier to just learn how to fly! :-)
Dave RV6, So Cal
please, DO NOT ARCHIVE
Elsa & Henry wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
>
> Hey Chuck!
> **The hardest to build---?? You tail draggers!! You are a spoilt bunch! You plug
in your gear legs into sockets conveniently provided in the engine mount,
you have unobstructed access to the bolts that hold the wing spars and the RV-4
has a screwed in-panel nose skin for easy access behind the instrument panel---etc,
etc. I'd like to see you go through the contortions us slow-build, non
prepunched, RV-6A builders had to endure, like installing and torquing the 76
bolts that hold the wing spars and the main gear leg weldments to the main bulk-head
with practically impossible access under the weldments, and then crawl
under the instrument sub-panel to buck the rivets securing the nose-skin to
the main longerons requiring butchered bucking bars to reach the tight places!!
Give me a break!
>
> Cheers!!-----Henry Hore
>
> > Just admit it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, **(the hardest to build,)
and all the
> >other RV's wish they were RV-4's (except for the RV-3's, they are like the
> >little brother of the RV-4).----
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
And what I forgot to say in my original post is that I was at the ripe old
age of 75 when I did those "contortions"! Tomorrow (May 1) I celebrate my
"trombone" birthday! Still flying---
Cheers!!------Henry
("Seventy Six Trombones were at the big parade--tra-la--")
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: Fw: RV-List: Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates
> Henry,
>
> You got me. But notice I'm only admitting this in "private".
>
> Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elsa & Henry <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
> To: Matronics RV List <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 5:31 PM
> Subject: RV-List: Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry"
> <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
> >
> > Hey Chuck!
> > **The hardest to build---?? You tail draggers!! You are a spoilt bunch!
> You plug in your gear legs into sockets conveniently provided in the
engine
> mount, you have unobstructed access to the bolts that hold the wing spars
> and the RV-4 has a screwed in-panel nose skin for easy access behind the
> instrument panel---etc, etc. I'd like to see you go through the
contortions
> us slow-build, non prepunched, RV-6A builders had to endure, like
installing
> and torquing the 76 bolts that hold the wing spars and the main gear leg
> weldments to the main bulk-head with practically impossible access under
the
> weldments, and then crawl under the instrument sub-panel to buck the
rivets
> securing the nose-skin to the main longerons requiring butchered bucking
> bars to reach the tight places!! Give me a break!
> >
> > Cheers!!-----Henry Hore
> >
> > > Just admit it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, **(the hardest to
> build,) and all the
> > >other RV's wish they were RV-4's (except for the RV-3's, they are like
> the
> > >little brother of the RV-4).----
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: RV-10 Update |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hassel" <bob@hassel-usa.com>
New update on the RV-10 on Van's website!
Bob Hassel
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| Subject: | Re : Checkerboarding experiment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Martin Hone" <martin.hone@tradergroup.com.au>
I am in the process of doing just that. I have decided on vinyl gaphics for the
fuse but will be painting those for the wings - just in case it decides to lift
off....
My graphics guy suggests using a low-tack vinyl called Spraymask which comes off
easy and leaves no residue - made by Polyfilm or Aslan - for masking the checkers
I will be spray painting over.
Cheers
Martin in Oz
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Mr Christopher McGough" <vhmum@bigpond.com>
New RV10 stuff posted Vans website!!
Chris and Susie
VH-MUM
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| Subject: | WTB Electric Turn Coodinator |
--> RV-List message posted by: James Bond <rvflyingisfun@yahoo.com>
If you know where I can get an Turn Coodinator let me know ThanksJames Bondrvflyingisfun@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: pattern for stick boot 2ND POST |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Jerry,
Just get a piece of heavy cloth and a pair of scissors and start cutting.
When you get the shape you want, you've got your pattern. It's really pretty
easy and not critical at all.
Dave
WPAerial@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
>
> i need a pateren for control stick boot? any ideas?
>
> jerry wilken
> albany oregon
> rv6a n699wp
>
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| Subject: | RE : BUILDING ON THE CHEAP |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Martin Hone" <martin.hone@tradergroup.com.au>
The art of scrounging is a definite plus if building to a budget, or you can get
just plane (pun intended) lucky like a guy I heard of.
He picked up a brand new O-320 D1A and CS prop for AUD$10,000 - that is around
US$6000 !!! Seems that there was an outfit gearing up to produce some drones
for the military but folded. I guess we all hear of stories like this....
Cheers
Martin in Oz
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| Subject: | Re: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
>
> Chuck,
>
> After twenty years of flying a supersonic jet fighter - the F-4G -, the
> P-51 is small potatoes (can't believe I really had the nerve to type that)
> :-) .
WHOA there big guy!!!!! Them is fightn' words!!!! "P-51 is small potatoes"
you say!!!!!
Well you jump in that Rocket and you blast out here and we will do a little
one V one......
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
RV-4 (and P-51 on weekends.....)
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--> RV-List message posted by: Dougpsr@aol.com
OK Tom, put on your flak suit. The P-51 is #1 in my book.
Doug Preston
RV8 N127EK
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| Subject: | Re: pattern for stick boot 2ND POST |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
>
> i need a pateren for control stick boot? any ideas?
>
> jerry wilken
> albany oregon
> rv6a n699wp
I had DJ Lauritsen make them for me. Cheap and first class quality.
Doug Weiler
Hudson, WI
N722DW, RV-4
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| Subject: | Re: RV-6A transporting advise needed |
--> RV-List message posted by: Al Mojzisik <prober@iwaynet.net>
Thanks John, I needed that.... ;-) AL ( do not archive )
At 04:03 PM 4/30/03 -0600, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
>1. Hitch hike to Wisconsin.
>2. Camp there while completing RV
>3. Fly home.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Are we to be happy you don't fly a 'craft with "suckem up feet" ?.
(Retractable for those of you in Rio Linda). 8+) Do Not Archive. KABONG
(GBA)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tedd McHenry" <tedd@vansairforce.org>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
> --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
>
> > Regardless of where the third wheel is located its basic function is a
> > "taxi/steering" wheel not part of the "landing" gear.
>
> You've obviously never seen any of my landings.
>
> Tedd McHenry
> Surrey, BC
> -6 wings
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--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
Has anyone used these flat/thin offset drill attachments? They look
like they might come in more handy than a right angle drill?
http://www.usatco.com/drill_extensions_03.asp
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
chrisw@programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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| Subject: | Re: RV-6A transporting advise needed |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
Mike Stephenson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
>
>
><< If everyone posts something it will get back on track.>>
>
>2 days ago I purchased an incomplete RV-6A kit. All the skin work is
>complete, but the tail feathers,wings and cowling are not mounted. The panel
>is complete. Canopy frame on but canopy Plexiglas not on. No engine nor prop
>(I looking to buy)
>
>I need to get it from Wisconsin to West Texas. Should I haul it on the gear
>or off.
>
>My choices are to fly up and rent a one way truck for $ 1,200.00 or go get
>it with flat bed trailer and build crates to protect it from the rain and
>hail.
>
>What has been your experience?
>
>Regards,
>Mike Stephenson
>Lubbock, TX
>
Have you priced round-trip or local (unlimited mileage) rental? It's
usually far cheaper than 1-way. You can also sometimes get a fairly
large truck at the small truck price by picking a location that doesn't
have the smaller trucks on the lot. Ask for the smallest size they have
& they might offer the size you need for the lower price.
If you have access to a full size pickup, you might be able to transport
the project on the pickup itself. I once helped a guy disassemble & load
a flyable Smith Miniplane (biplane) on a mid-size pickup. He hauled it
from Jackson MS to Oklahoma City, around 600 miles.
You could also check the want ads in Wisconsin for used trailers. You
might be able to buy the trailer you need for about the price of a 1 way
truck rental.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
NAW ! ! ! ! That would have been way too easy. To start with that much
extra work room it would have made the job a breeze. The "open" spaces from
the firewall foward are measured in 16th's of an inch. Do Not Archive. "Why
Yes, as a matter of fact, N561FS is Rocket Science". KABONG (GBA)
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> John,
>
> I thought you "Rocket Scientists" started with a P-51 and cut it down?
> At least that's what the Bakersfield Bunch told me.
>
> Chuck
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Starn <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Regardless of where the third wheel is located its basic function is a
> > "taxi/steering" wheel not part of the "landing" gear.
> > As for the "hardest" to build you left out the RV "derivative" (Van's
> quote
> > from RVator) from Bakersfield, John Harmons HRII. You start with an
RV-4
> > and then get into some serious building to make it into a Rocket. HRII
> 115
> > hrs N561FS. Waiting for the RV-10. KABONG (GBA) Do Not Archive
> >
> > > Oh yeah?! Well I can do wheel landings just as well as any A$$
dragger
> > out
> > > there! I may have a nose wheel, but it's rarely on the ground!
> > >
> > > -Bill
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> >
> > > it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, the hardest to build, and all
the
> > > Chuck
> > > do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Update |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Anybody got any idea what the little square hatch is in the top of the cabin?
It's visible in multiple pictures and one of the windshield install pictures shows
it with a hinged door.
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| Subject: | Re: pattern for stick boot 2ND POST |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 09:29 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I had DJ Lauritsen make them for me. Cheap and first class quality.
I visited with Mrs Lauritsen at Oshkosh and ordered two stick boots for my
6a. When they came I was impressed with the quality and all but not
entirely pleased. That whole family are great people!
They were too thick and heavy subduing the feel. I would prefer something
of ripstop nylon or some such. I'll ask my wife if she can still get in
touch with "Ripstop Rose".
Ripstop is made for mountain climbers etc. Light weight, no feel, wind
proof. Perfect.
hal
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| Subject: | Re: RV-6A transporting advise needed |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 10:36 PM 4/30/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Al Mojzisik <prober@iwaynet.net>
Rent out Texas and live in Wisconsin.?
hal
Paying thru the nose in California. Can you believe, sales tax on insurance???
Faith, God, Crap.
>Thanks John, I needed that.... ;-) AL ( do not archive )
>
>At 04:03 PM 4/30/03 -0600, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
> >
> >1. Hitch hike to Wisconsin.
> >2. Camp there while completing RV
> >3. Fly home.
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--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 10:10 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
>
>Has anyone used these flat/thin offset drill attachments? They look
>like they might come in more handy than a right angle drill?
I got all my RV built using a Terry $45 offset attachment. I recommend
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | RV-6A transporting advise needed |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Moved a project like that from Ohio to South Carolina once.
1. Rented truck in SC (Ryder/U-Haul/Budget ... I forget but check the
archives for the best model)
2. Along with 2 others drove to Ohio
3. Loaded it all up that night (don't forget many blankets and plenty of
rope). If there was an engine you'd need an old tire or two.
4. Drove to hotel on the interstate and got some zzzz's.
5. Drove it all home the next day.
Save yourself some headache and agony. Get the RIGHT truck that will protect
your cargo via a somewhat cushioned ride, out of the rain etc, that is easy
to drive for the long distance.
Get a friens or two to make the trip with you.
Enjoy the ride.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Stephenson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 5:36 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: RV-6A transporting advise needed
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
>
>
> << If everyone posts something it will get back on track.>>
>
> 2 days ago I purchased an incomplete RV-6A kit. All the skin work is
> complete, but the tail feathers,wings and cowling are not
> mounted. The panel
> is complete. Canopy frame on but canopy Plexiglas not on. No
> engine nor prop
> (I looking to buy)
>
> I need to get it from Wisconsin to West Texas. Should I haul it
> on the gear
> or off.
>
> My choices are to fly up and rent a one way truck for $ 1,200.00 or go get
> it with flat bed trailer and build crates to protect it from the rain and
> hail.
>
> What has been your experience?
>
> Regards,
> Mike Stephenson
> Lubbock, TX
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-6A transporting advise needed |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
Thanks Charlie, several good ideas.
Mike Stephenson
> Have you priced round-trip or local (unlimited mileage) rental? It's
> usually far cheaper than 1-way. You can also sometimes get a fairly
> large truck at the small truck price by picking a location that doesn't
> have the smaller trucks on the lot. Ask for the smallest size they have
> & they might offer the size you need for the lower price.
>
> If you have access to a full size pickup, you might be able to transport
> the project on the pickup itself. I once helped a guy disassemble & load
> a flyable Smith Miniplane (biplane) on a mid-size pickup. He hauled it
> from Jackson MS to Oklahoma City, around 600 miles.
>
> You could also check the want ads in Wisconsin for used trailers. You
> might be able to buy the trailer you need for about the price of a 1 way
> truck rental.
>
> Charlie
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
> I need a quick lesson on sizing tires and tubes...
> I think that "11.4 x 5" means an 11 inch diameter x 4 ply x 5" inside
diameter.
> Did I get it right?
Okay I have to ask.... which RV are you going to put these "tundra tires"
on? That I'd like to see!
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Faith, Christianity, and wheel pants |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club"
<sisson@consolidated.net>
>
> > Thanks Tracy,
>
> > Do you have the big "pressure recovery pants"? I use steel on my Pitts
and it
> > is never loose. Only three 3/16 bolts holding them on, two on inside
(front
> > and back of axle) and one on outside in the center of the axle. Never
lost a
> > wheel pant yet, even in Lomcevacs.
>
> Phil
Yes, using the two piece pressure recovery pants on the -4. I had the same
problem with the old one piece pants though. Don't think the mild
aerobatics I do was a problem but my grass strip played havoc with them.
Get real good tire life on my cheap aerotrainers though. 1300+ hours and
only recently put my third set of tires on.
The -8 I'm building has much better bracket attach scheme using no spacers
so I don't expect to get 'loose pants' on it.
Tracy
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| Subject: | Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Hi Henry;
We RV-6A builders do have to take a truly "flexible" outlook on life when
tackling those 76 wing bolts, don't we. Shame that RV-7A and beyond builders
will be missing the real centre section bolts experience.
Maybe there should have a special sub-group in the RV culture called "The
Spirit of 76" or similar for -6A builders. (Oops, think that name was used
for something else a few years back south of the border.)
Jim Oke
Winnipeg, Man.
RV-3 C-FIZM
RV-6A C-GKGZ (taxi testing)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: RV List: Back to "RV" based debates
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry"
<elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
>
> Hey Chuck!
> **The hardest to build---?? You tail draggers!! You are a spoilt bunch!
You plug in your gear legs into sockets conveniently provided in the engine
mount, you have unobstructed access to the bolts that hold the wing spars
and the RV-4 has a screwed in-panel nose skin for easy access behind the
instrument panel---etc, etc. I'd like to see you go through the contortions
us slow-build, non prepunched, RV-6A builders had to endure, like installing
and torquing the 76 bolts that hold the wing spars and the main gear leg
weldments to the main bulk-head with practically impossible access under the
weldments, and then crawl under the instrument sub-panel to buck the rivets
securing the nose-skin to the main longerons requiring butchered bucking
bars to reach the tight places!! Give me a break!
>
> Cheers!!-----Henry Hore
>
> > Just admit it, the RV-4 is the best, the sexiest, **(the hardest to
build,) and all the
> >other RV's wish they were RV-4's (except for the RV-3's, they are like
the
> >little brother of the RV-4).----
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
Doug,
It might be interesting. I was talking to John Harmon the other day and he
stated that he was able to hold his own with a couple of P-51s which have
crossed his path. Of course, I have the slowest Rocket flying so I may have
the disadvantage .
It would be interesting to see which of us would get a religious experience
from the one V one. (Can I say that anymore under the new rules?)
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Take care,
Anyway, stop by APV and get a Rocket ride.
Tom Gummo
"GummiBear"
Wild Weasel Society Number 1573
Major, USAF, Retired
F-4G Instructor Pilot
Combat Pilot during Gulf War I, was shot at but they missed :-)
OV-10 Forward Air Controller, missed Vietnam (OK didn't miss anything)
Part Time Instructor of Chemistry at Victor Valley Community College
BS - Chemistry from Cal Ploy Pomona in 1970
Masters Degree in Computer Science from CSUSB in 2001
(so why am I teaching chem - don't ask me but a pay check is a pay check.)
EAA Number 0321966
Pres of EAA Chapter 768
"Air Boss" for the upcoming Apple Valley Air Fair - June 8th - BE THERE
Harmon Rocket II - N561FS, Flying 120 hours
Slowest, Ugliest Rocket, but it is mine and payed for
AND ALL ROUND NICE GUY
How is that for a signature??????
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Back to "RV" based debates
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
> >
> > Chuck,
> >
> > After twenty years of flying a supersonic jet fighter - the F-4G -, the
> > P-51 is small potatoes (can't believe I really had the nerve to type
that)
> > :-) .
>
> WHOA there big guy!!!!! Them is fightn' words!!!! "P-51 is small
potatoes"
> you say!!!!!
>
> Well you jump in that Rocket and you blast out here and we will do a
little
> one V one......
>
> Tailwinds,
> Doug Rozendaal
> RV-4 (and P-51 on weekends.....)
>
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