Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:52 AM - Re: Pop Rivet Help!-now bucking (Dana Overall)
2. 04:23 AM - Re: certification (Dana Overall)
3. 05:44 AM - Taildragger Tips- Thanks (Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com)
4. 05:52 AM - Re: Charts (Ollie Washburn)
5. 06:08 AM - Re: Zen and the art of engine rebuilding (glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com)
6. 06:12 AM - Re: Charts (Ollie Washburn)
7. 06:50 AM - Re: certification (glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com)
8. 07:04 AM - VIRUS (JDaniel343@aol.com)
9. 07:26 AM - Re: VIRUS (Richard Dudley)
10. 07:26 AM - paint before assembly, was: certification (Steven Eberhart)
11. 07:30 AM - Re: VIRUS (Chris W)
12. 07:34 AM - Handheld Push To Talk (Lenleg@aol.com)
13. 07:45 AM - Re: VIRUS (Tedd McHenry)
14. 07:51 AM - Re: VIRUS (Rob Prior)
15. 07:58 AM - Re: rv-list: taildragger wheel landings (Crosley, Rich)
16. 08:00 AM - Re: ohio builders (Vincent Welch)
17. 08:07 AM - Re: certification (RV_8 Pilot)
18. 09:04 AM - Re: certification (glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com)
19. 09:04 AM - Re: paint before assembly, was: certification (glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com)
20. 09:12 AM - RV-8 gear leg mounting (GEORGE INMAN)
21. 09:28 AM - Re: VIRUS -HOAX (Cy Galley)
22. 09:49 AM - off topic - birth certificate (Bill VonDane)
23. 10:21 AM - Re: further off topic - birth certificate (Rob Prior)
24. 10:31 AM - Re: Re: rv-list: taildragger wheel landings (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
25. 10:50 AM - Zen and the art of engine rebuilding (rpmiller)
26. 11:26 AM - Re: Outstanding RV-4 for sale (Randy Lervold)
27. 11:53 AM - Re: paint before assembly, was: certification (Dave Bristol)
28. 11:58 AM - Re: off topic - birth certificate (glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com)
29. 12:10 PM - Flyoff... Lycoming vs. Subaru (long) (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
30. 12:22 PM - Re: VIRUS (Scott Vanartsdalen)
31. 12:39 PM - Re: off topic - birth certificate (Chris Salter)
32. 12:54 PM - Them Aeroquip AE466 "blues" (Mark Phillips)
33. 01:02 PM - SilverSolderingAMisleadingTerm (DAVID REEL)
34. 01:37 PM - Re: Flyoff... Lycoming vs. Subaru (long) (Scott Bilinski)
35. 02:05 PM - Re: RV-8 gear leg mounting (Tracy Crook)
36. 02:11 PM - Re: Them Aeroquip AE466 "blues" (Randy Lervold)
37. 03:05 PM - DC ENR Headsets (Doug Weiler)
38. 03:37 PM - Re: certification (Dana Overall)
39. 03:41 PM - Re: Them Aeroquip AE466 "blues" (John Huft)
40. 03:48 PM - New RV-7 rudder. (Dana Overall)
41. 03:48 PM - Things and and stuff (Wheeler North)
42. 03:56 PM - 44 NSR tubing question (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
43. 03:59 PM - Re: DC ENR Headsets (Top Secret)
44. 04:04 PM - Re: VIRUS (Clayton Henderson)
45. 04:14 PM - RTV Vs. ProSeal (Glenn Brasch)
46. 04:26 PM - Re: SilverSolderingAMisleadingTerm (Jim Jewell)
47. 04:59 PM - Re: DC ENR Headsets (Laird Owens)
48. 05:02 PM - Re: DC ENR Headsets (Evan and Megan Johnson)
49. 05:18 PM - Turn Coordinator tilt. (Dana Overall)
50. 05:27 PM - Re: ohio builders (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
51. 05:34 PM - Interesting story about painting planes and the FAA (Robin Wessel)
52. 05:58 PM - Re: RTV Vs. ProSeal (Vince Himsl)
53. 06:25 PM - Re: Taildragger Wheel Landings (LarryRobertHelming)
54. 06:28 PM - Re: SilverSolderingAMisleadingTerm (HCRV6@aol.com)
55. 06:52 PM - Re: RTV Vs. ProSeal (LarryRobertHelming)
56. 07:28 PM - Re: Charts (David Carter)
57. 07:33 PM - Cling Window Tint (James Bond)
58. 07:38 PM - Re: 44 NSR tubing question (Bob Newman)
59. 08:14 PM - Re: Cling Window Tint (RV6 Flyer)
60. 08:17 PM - Re: [nonspam] Re: Taildragger Wheel Landings (Larry Pardue)
61. 08:37 PM - Re: Parking fee for an RV at San Jose International - $50! (Randall Henderson)
62. 08:44 PM - Re: RTV Vs. ProSeal (Randall Henderson)
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| Subject: | Pop Rivet Help!-now bucking |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>Now I have a question: I looked all over the archives and couldn't find
>anyone who remembers how to rivet the trim tab and hinge. I followed
>(blindly?) the instructions and riveted the bottom flange, but left the
>top clecoed. Now it's time to rivet that sucker, and I cannot figure
>out how to get a squeezer in there! ANYBODY got any ideas???
>
The position of several of those shop heads behind hinge tabs, dictates they
be bucked.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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| Subject: | Re: certification |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>From: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
If you want proof, just go ask
>someone to give their opinion on a plane that someone built. Then ask them
>the same question if the aircraft came from Boeing.
On the flip side, ask anyone knowledgeable about airplanes and they will
tell you the quality of homebuilts exceeds Cessnas/Pipers/etc.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Taildragger Tips- Thanks |
05/06/2003 08:41:53 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com
I wanted to thank everyone for the advice on how to manage the wheel
landing in a taildragger. The response was amazing, both on and off list.
Regards,
Don
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn" <skybolt-aviator@msn.com>
----They also charge $5 shipping. Not a very good deal for 1 or 2 charts.
Ollie 6A Central Fl.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: David Carter
Subject: Re: RV-List: Charts
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
Len,
I found this source at Oshkosh 2 years ago and prices are same: "25% off
list".
www.flyairways.com
They have VFR (Sectionals) and IFR products.
I have the FAA price list from last Oct 02 and Sectional is $8.
www.flyairways today shows list price $8 and their price $6.
David Carter
----- Original Message -----
From: <Lenleg@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Charts
> --> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
> Listers:
>
> I can't remember the name of the company Andy had in Winter Park supplying
> charts????? Need charts for a trip at a good price !!
>
> Len Leggette RV-8A
> N901LL
> Greensboro, N.C.
> 69 hours !!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zen and the art of engine rebuilding |
22, 2002) at 05/06/2003 09:07:40 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
I believe if you show the insurance company that the engine is built with
certified parts, it will be insurable. I also believe if you show the agent
log books signed by an A&P it will further your case if you are having
trouble getting insurance. I have not heard of any experimental aircraft
having difficulties getting insurance wether with a certified engine or
not. They may put stipulations on you as to how many hours you have to fly
with an "instructor" etc.
Regards
Glenn Williams
A&P
Fort Worth, Tx.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn" <skybolt-aviator@msn.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Checkoway
Subject: Re: RV-List: Charts
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
http://www.mypilotstore.com
$7.25 for a VFR sectional and FREE shipping.
I'm sure there are better deals out there, but I've been using
MyPilotStore's chart subscription service for years and am happy with it.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (finish)
http://www.rvproject.com
------I'll second that for mypilotstore,AND if you subscribe you always have up
to date charts automatically.
Ollie 6A Central Fl.
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| Subject: | Re: certification |
22, 2002) at 05/06/2003 09:50:05 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
Dana: you are correct some cessnas or pipers are not pleasing to the eye.
However they have passed the Q.C. and FAA requirements to be "airworthy"
And are maintained according to F.A.R.'s our experimentals are built with
T.L.C. and the majority are extremely fine examples. However there are
those that I would honestly say that the "cessna" looks better. LOL (hey at
least the cessna leaves the factory with a paint job)
Regards
Glenn Williams
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--> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com
I recieved this from a very reliable source. I am just pasing it on.
Very Urgent!!!!!!!...
PASS THIS ON TO ANYONE YOU HAVE AN E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR.
If you receive an email titled: "It Takes Guts to Say
Jesus"
DO NOT OPEN IT. It will erase everything on your hard
drive.
This information was announced yesterday morning from
IBM; AOL states that this is a very dangerous virus,
much worse than
"Melissa," and that there is NO Remedy for it at this
time. Some very sick
individual has succeeded in using the reformat
function from Norton
Utilities
causing it to completely erase all documents on the
hard drive. It has been
designed to work with Netscape Navigator and Microsoft
Internet Explorer. It
destroys Macintosh and IBM compatible computers.
This is a new, very malicious virus and not many
people know about it. Pass
this warning along to EVERYONE in your address book
! and please share it with
all your online friends ASAP so that this threat maybe
stopped. Please
practice cautionary measures and tell anyone that may
have access to your
computer. Forward this warning to everyone that you
know that might access
the Internet.
Joyce L. Bober
IBM Information Systems
Pittsburgh Mailing Systems
412 - 922-8744
do not archive
John Danielson
RV-6
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--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Check snopes or symantec. This is a virus hoax. Check "it takes guts..."
at google.com and find a long list of sites which discuss the hoax.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
JDaniel343@aol.com wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com
>
> I recieved this from a very reliable source. I am just pasing it on.
>
> Very Urgent!!!!!!!...
>
> PASS THIS ON TO ANYONE YOU HAVE AN E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR.
>
> If you receive an email titled: "It Takes Guts to Say
> Jesus"
> DO NOT OPEN IT. It will erase everything on your hard
> drive.
> This information was announced yesterday morning from
> IBM; AOL states that this is a very dangerous virus,
> much worse than
> "Melissa," and that there is NO Remedy for it at this
> time. Some very sick
> individual has succeeded in using the reformat
> function from Norton
> Utilities
> causing it to completely erase all documents on the
> hard drive. It has been
> designed to work with Netscape Navigator and Microsoft
> Internet Explorer. It
> destroys Macintosh and IBM compatible computers.
>
> This is a new, very malicious virus and not many
> people know about it. Pass
> this warning along to EVERYONE in your address book
> ! and please share it with
> all your online friends ASAP so that this threat maybe
> stopped. Please
> practice cautionary measures and tell anyone that may
> have access to your
> computer. Forward this warning to everyone that you
> know that might access
> the Internet.
>
> Joyce L. Bober
> IBM Information Systems
> Pittsburgh Mailing Systems
> 412 - 922-8744
>
> do not archive
>
> John Danielson
> RV-6
>
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| Subject: | paint before assembly, was: certification |
--> RV-List message posted by: Steven Eberhart <newtech@newtech.com>
glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
>
>
> Dana: you are correct some cessnas or pipers are not pleasing to the eye.
> However they have passed the Q.C. and FAA requirements to be "airworthy"
> And are maintained according to F.A.R.'s our experimentals are built with
> T.L.C. and the majority are extremely fine examples. However there are
> those that I would honestly say that the "cessna" looks better. LOL (hey at
> least the cessna leaves the factory with a paint job)
>
> Regards
> Glenn Williams
All John Deere yellow construction equipment is built with the paint
before assembly philosophy. Every subassembly receives its final paint
before final assembly. Once assembly is complete it is ready to go out
the door. I am following the same procedure on my RV-7A. Everything is
going to be painted as a sub assembly. After final assembly it will
already have its final paint and be ready to go with no need to take
apart a perfectly good, flying airplane so it can be painted.
Steve Eberhart
RV-7A
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--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
I am only replying to the list because I suspect there may be others out
there that don't know this yet. The "virus alert" quoted below is a hoax.
So called virus alerts out number actual viruses by at least 100 to 1. I
have never got a "virus alert" email that wasn't a hoax, and I have got a
lot of them. For more information see this web site.
http://vmyths.com/
for details about this hoax see this page
http://vmyths.com/hoax.cfm?id=91&page=3&cat=Hoax%20virus%20alerts
There are several obvious signs that a "virus alert" is a hoax and this
message has most of them.
Chris W
do not archive
JDaniel343@aol.com wrote:
> I recieved this from a very reliable source. I am just pasing it on.
>
> Very Urgent!!!!!!!...
>
> PASS THIS ON TO ANYONE YOU HAVE AN E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR.
>
> If you receive an email titled: "It Takes Guts to Say
> Jesus"
> DO NOT OPEN IT. It will erase everything on your hard
> drive.
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| Subject: | Handheld Push To Talk |
--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
List:
There was a note on the list the other day about using an inline PTT with the
Yaseau handheld. I have searched ACS and Sportys for one but can't seem to
find one??
Anybody know where to find one or part numbers?
Len Leggette RV-8A
N901LL
Greensboro, N.C.
69 hours !!
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--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
People, please, EVERY email that urges you to forward itself to other people is
a hoax.
Refer to
http://hoaxbusters.ciac.org/HBMalCode.shtml#jesus
---
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
-6 wings
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
Sorry John, but you've been had. This is yet another "virus" hoax.
http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/jesus.htm
Note that emailing a virus warning is next to useless... Unless you're
the developer who discovers the virus in the first place, or you work
for one of the virus-checking software companies, chances are the virus
in question has already propagated to the people you are trying to warn.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
JDaniel343@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com
>
> I recieved this from a very reliable source. I am just pasing it on.
>
> Very Urgent!!!!!!!...
>
> PASS THIS ON TO ANYONE YOU HAVE AN E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR.
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| Subject: | re: rv-list: taildragger wheel landings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Crosley, Rich" <RCROSLEY@HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM>
Don,
You have gotten a lot of good ideas and as you can see their are many
different ways to get the job done and all taildraggers are a little
different. My experience is in Cessna 140's, 170's and a Christen Eagle. I
taught my son to fly in the 170 and a couple of things that helped him were
to start a take off roll, come up on the mains (at that point you are
pushing forward a little to keep from breaking ground to soon), pull the
power back so that you don't take off and just "fly" down the runway on the
ground. That will help get you use to pushing forward, and realizing the
prop isn't going to hit the ground. You can then, either, add power and
take off or pull the power off and practice the "tail-up to tail-down"
transition. On final, over the runway, if you know you are "right there"
but can't seem to get the mains on, reach down with one wheel, bank a
little, and find the ground then push forward to stick it on. I agree it
makes it eaiser to use a little power and you can deternine about how much
is needed during the "fly on runway practice". Being a tail dragger pilot
does make you a better all around pilot. My son has gotten comments during
his check rides that he knows how to use the rudder, you must have been a
taildragger pilot. He flys Canadair Regional Jets for Skywest Airlines.
Good Luck,
Rich Crosley
RV-8 Panel, engine, wiring, painting, fitting, sanding, wishing it were
done......................
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| Subject: | Re: ohio builders |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" <welchvincent@hotmail.com>
I am in the NE corner of the state (Ashtabula county) building a RV-8A.
Engine and prop are hung, up on the gear legs, doing wiring and fiberglass
now. Contact me if you want to swing by. Do Not Archive.
Vince Welch
>From: Top Secret <starcast82@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: ohio builders
>Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 18:45:35 -0700 (PDT)
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Top Secret <starcast82@yahoo.com>
>
>Thinking strongly of building an RV after completing my pilots license. I
>was wondering if there was anyone in Ohio currently building or flying an
>RV aircraft. I'd like to see your projects you are building to see what is
>involved in constructing an RV and if possible find someone who is finished
>and will take me for a ride so I can be sure that I know what I will have
>when finished and also learn what they thought of the building process.
>Thanks everyone
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: certification |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
have seen a situation where 5-6 rivets in a Piper wingskin missed the rib
flange. Never seen this in a homebuilt.
difference is the builders of homebuilts are *usually* the ones flying the
plane!
do not archive
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
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| Subject: | Re: certification |
22, 2002) at 05/06/2003 12:02:36 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
good point.
Glenn Williams
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| Subject: | Re: paint before assembly, was: certification |
22, 2002) at 05/06/2003 12:01:21 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
I disagree with painting before the restrictions are flown off. I work for
an aircraft manufacturer and all of our aircraft stay "green" untill they
are deemed airworthy. Usually 12 to 25 hours of flight time. My take on it
is you will be pulling the cowl off and on to look for leaks etc. I would
recommend not painting untill then. However if your very careful it is okay
to paint and the side benefit is you look cool during testing. Me I'll
wait.
Glenn Williams
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| Subject: | RV-8 gear leg mounting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "GEORGE INMAN" <ghinman@attcanada.ca>
I am about to drill holes for the gear legs
on my RV-8 QB tail dragger.
Does anyone have suggestions or
warnings on this procedure??
I am concerned about the holes
coming through right on the interior,since you
cannot see the interior reinforcement while
drilling from the outside.
Drawing 35 fig B-B shows leaving
a 3/16 gap when positioning U-803 .
does this work out O-K ?
GEORGE H. INMAN
ghinman@attcanada.ca
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
HOAX see www.snoopes.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <JDaniel343@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: VIRUS
> --> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com
>
> I recieved this from a very reliable source. I am just pasing it on.
>
> Very Urgent!!!!!!!...
>
> PASS THIS ON TO ANYONE YOU HAVE AN E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR.
>
> If you receive an email titled: "It Takes Guts to Say
> Jesus"
> DO NOT OPEN IT. It will erase everything on your hard
> drive.
> This information was announced yesterday morning from
> IBM; AOL states that this is a very dangerous virus,
> much worse than
> "Melissa," and that there is NO Remedy for it at this
> time. Some very sick
> individual has succeeded in using the reformat
> function from Norton
> Utilities
> causing it to completely erase all documents on the
> hard drive. It has been
> designed to work with Netscape Navigator and Microsoft
> Internet Explorer. It
> destroys Macintosh and IBM compatible computers.
>
> This is a new, very malicious virus and not many
> people know about it. Pass
> this warning along to EVERYONE in your address book
> ! and please share it with
> all your online friends ASAP so that this threat maybe
> stopped. Please
> practice cautionary measures and tell anyone that may
> have access to your
> computer. Forward this warning to everyone that you
> know that might access
> the Internet.
>
> Joyce L. Bober
> IBM Information Systems
> Pittsburgh Mailing Systems
> 412 - 922-8744
>
> do not archive
>
> John Danielson
> RV-6
>
>
>
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"vansairforce" <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
| Subject: | off topic - birth certificate |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
I need some help getting a replacement/copy of my birth certificate...
Anyone have any connections here?
I was born abroad, and I really need to get this before June 16th or I am a
dead man!
Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!
-Bill VonDane
719-540-1997
719-510-0854
bill@vondane.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: further off topic - birth certificate |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
Bill VonDane wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
> I need some help getting a replacement/copy of my birth certificate...
> Anyone have any connections here?
>
> I was born abroad,
In that case you'll need to get a note from your doctor to confirm that
you've had a sex change...
(sorry, but that was just waaaaaay to good to resist... 8-)
> and I really need to get this before June 16th or I am a
> dead man!
>
> Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!
>
> -Bill VonDane
> 719-540-1997
> 719-510-0854
> bill@vondane.com
>
> do not archive
Oh, most definitely, DO NOT ARCHIVE...
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| Subject: | Re: re: rv-list: taildragger wheel landings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
"Crosley, Rich" wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Crosley, Rich" <RCROSLEY@HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM>
>
> Don,
>
> You have gotten a lot of good ideas and as you can see their are many
> different ways to get the job done and all taildraggers are a little
> different. My experience is in Cessna 140's, 170's and a Christen Eagle. I
> taught my son to fly in the 170 and a couple of things that helped him were
> to start a take off roll, come up on the mains (at that point you are
> pushing forward a little to keep from breaking ground to soon), pull the
> power back so that you don't take off and just "fly" down the runway on the
> ground. That will help get you use to pushing forward, and realizing the
> prop isn't going to hit the ground. You can then, either, add power and
> take off or pull the power off and practice the "tail-up to tail-down"
> transition.
> This very method is how I transitioned a dozen or so low time pilots to fly
my
> Pitt's. But when they were ready to start making takeoffs I had them go ahead
and
> squeeze in full power from the roll.
This running down the runway teaches them many things. Bringing it up on the mains
lets them get used to the "left turning" and the neccessary corrections. Once the
tail is down and planted, it teaches them a high speed rollout which is pretty
important in a short coupled airplane. After they are comfortable with this, they
are ready to go. I didnt have them make wheelies, just full stall landings. It
was
enough of a chore as it was, to teach single place procedures while sitting in
the
grass. Phil
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| Subject: | Zen and the art of engine rebuilding |
--> RV-List message posted by: "rpmiller" <rpmiller@1usa.net>
I called JT Helms who is the agent for my builders risk policy with Nation
Air and this is what he said: Use an XP360 built by superior or aerosport,
your RV is insurable. Use a lycoming your RV is insurable. Use a kit XP
360 built by anyone else and you won't be covered. The issue of the
lycoming being certified or amateur maintained/rebuilt did not matter.
Now I have an observation. I started this thread (I think), when I asked
about information/experience with rebuilding that might help me with my own
0320, vis a vis being an amateur. After some good information the thread
veered off into insurance/certification land and attracted many more posts.
I think there is a divide here.
I think that experimental airplanes are two different things. There are
experimental airplanes built for education and enjoyment, and there are
experimental airplanes built for purposes of exploiting the big loophole,
(that has allowed small airplane GA to survive and evolve,) in order to have
a hot airplane. I'm not saying one is better than the other, I'm just
saying that there is a difference.
All of our RVs are or are going to be experimental. Not all are going to be
amateur built. I sometimes feel that people are trying to rationalize
amateur building in the same way that you can rationalize buying a pro built
airplane. I don't think you can or should.
So, these musings aren't meant to antagonize anyone but I figured that they
might be at least as interesting to read as the back and forth drivel on
certified engines, hey! no one even mentioned removing the data plate!
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| Subject: | Re: Outstanding RV-4 for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
Hi Doug,
Just curious if you've sold N464EM yet. I've mentioned it to a few folks
around here, but it seems just when there's a beautiful ship for sale that
I'm comfortable recommending there are no buyers. As soon as you sell it of
course someone will ask me to find them an RV. Jeez, if I had known about
that plane when I started building mine I think I would have bought it
instead, it's beautiful and I think a very good value at $65k.
Hope all is well with you!
Randy Lervold
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
Subject: RV-List: Outstanding RV-4 for sale
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
>
> Fellow Listers:
>
> I am finally (after only 12 years of construction) nearing the point where
> my RV-4 (N722DW) will soon be completed. So, with spring in the air, I
feel
> it is time to part with my "flying" RV-4, N464EM. This is probably one of
> the best examples in the country. I have owned it for 2 1/2 years, and
> flown it right at 200 hours. I intend to officially part with it in May
> after the annual is completed. All the details are at this website. If
> anyone is interested, or knows of someone who is, please let me know.
>
> Thanks
>
> Doug Weiler
> pres, MN Wing
> Hudson, WI
> dougweil@pressenter.com
>
> http://www.pressenter.com/~dougweil/N464EM/index.htm
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: paint before assembly, was: certification |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
I agree Steve, I've done this with 5 airplanes that I've either restored or built
and it's by far the easiest way to paint . If you wait until it's been flying for
25 + hours, you will have oil on the fuselage to contend with (yes it WILL leak
or at least you'll spill when removing the oil filter) plus, if you've ever tried
to paint the underside of a wing or fuselage you'll know THAT'S no fun.
On the other hand, if you're one of those folks that like to pay someone else to
do that kind of stuff then forget the above and go for it!
I can see no logical reason to not have the paint on for the first flight.
Dave RV6, So Cal (painted when it left the factory!)
EAA Technical Counselor
>
> All John Deere yellow construction equipment is built with the paint
> before assembly philosophy. Every subassembly receives its final paint
> before final assembly. Once assembly is complete it is ready to go out
> the door. I am following the same procedure on my RV-7A. Everything is
> going to be painted as a sub assembly. After final assembly it will
> already have its final paint and be ready to go with no need to take
> apart a perfectly good, flying airplane so it can be painted.
>
> Steve Eberhart
> RV-7A
>
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| Subject: | Re: off topic - birth certificate |
22, 2002) at 05/06/2003 02:55:16 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
go to the court house tell them the deal and they should be able to provide
you a certified and true copy. If you are an American and was born overseas
the nearest military post should provide a response on how to obtain your
birth certificate.
Glenn Williams
do not archive
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| Subject: | Flyoff... Lycoming vs. Subaru (long) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Listers...
The following proposal for a flyoff has been posted to our E-Subie forum by
Lance Wheeler of NSI Aero . Jan Eggenfellner also will participate with his
FWF package in an RV6a and/or Glastar. More discussion about it on E-Subie.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/E-SubieForum/
http://www.eggenfellneraircraft.com/
http://www.nsiaero.com
Jerry Cochran,
moderator, E-SubieForum
***************************************************************************
<<Subject: Performance comparison between NSI, Lycoming, Eggenfellner
engines.
Over and over again someone makes a posting on the Internet asking about
performance data comparing the various engine/propeller combinations
available for Glastar's and RV's. It would be of tremendous help to me
in my propulsion system development to have good accurate data on the
performances/differences between the NSI, Eggenfellner and Lycoming
engine packages.
The challenge is to have a good representation of the various power
plants in the same type of airframe. After you have identified a common
airframe you have to make arrangements to transport the test vehicles in
from who now's how far away to perform the flight test at one location
on the same day. To make it even more difficult, take into account the
weather, pilot available and the costs for test/support equipment and
facilities. Then you still have to locate a qualified pilot and
independent observer to conduct and record the flights. Now you can
better understand why this type of information is not so readily
available.
I am in a very unique position here at the Arlington Airport for
conducting a comprehensive flight test with the Glastar airframe. Both
Eggenfellner and NSI have a great deal of experience and flight time
with this aircraft as both have promoted in their Web-Sites. Both
companies have excellent builder examples of their respective
airframe/engine/prop combinations within 30 minutes flight time of the
Arlington Airport. The Glastar factory is also located at Arlington.
The proposed test planes include:
The Glastar factory demonstrator, powered by a 160 HP Lycoming O-320
with a C/S propeller.
A Glastar builder at the Arlington Airport, Bill James and his 180 HP
Lycoming O-360 with a C/S propeller.
A local builder, Warren Simon with his 170 HP NSI Aero Subaru EJ22 and
CAP propeller.
A local owner, Tim Hurdt with his 205 HP NSI Aero Subaru EJ25 and CAP
propeller.
A local builder, Charlie Walker and his 165 HP Eggenfellner Subaru EJ25
with Quinti propeller.
The pilot for the test's would be Michael Crowell of Mission Aviation
Training Academy, located at the Arlington Airport. (Pastor Mike
trained Tim Johnson for his CFI rating and trains Glastar pilots for
their endorsements)
The independent observer/co-pilot would be Norm Goyer, Editor of Custom
Planes Magazine.
The flight test will consist of 3 flights for each test aircraft. The
first will be a pilot/co-pilot familiarization flight including several
full stops and touch-n-goes to become familiarized with each plane. The
second will be the actual flight test as outlined below. Upon
completion of the flight test each plane will land and taxi up to the
gas pump to have its tank's toped off for a fuel used measurement. By
this time the pilots will be quit familiar with each Glastar and on the
third flight will have the opportunity for some casual flying and
observations with regards to the airframe/engine/propeller combinations
tested.
The test flight will include:
Each aircraft will be weighed with Electronic three wheel load cell
scales prior to the test run. The load will include the pilot,
co-pilot/observer and full fuel tanks.
A static thrust test using an electronic load cell indicating the thrust
in pounds of pull from idle to full power in 200 RPM (Engine speed)
increments for the geared engines and 100 for the Lycomings.
A short as possible standing start take off and climb to
18,000'(Arlington is 262 ASL) with the time marked at each 1,000'
interval. The roll out will be measured to the point of lift off. Both
sound and vibration measurement recorders will be onboard for the test
flight.
A descent to 12,000' and a 15 mile Triangle loop at full power
using GPS for speed indicator.
A descent to 8,000' and a 15 mile Triangle loop starting with full power
and then reducing engine speed by 200 rpm increments (100 for the
Lycomings) on each leg until aircraft stall occurs.
A descent to 2,500', and repeat the 8,000" test sequence. (Except for
the stall)
Upon landing the fuel burn will be measured by topping off the fuel
tanks.
NSI can provide a portable oxygen system, fuel and equipment for the
various tests. I can also coordinate the scheduling of activities with
the participants. The day of "testing" can be conducted from the New
Glastar facilities.
I am also going to put together a similar flight test for the RV-6 at
Oshkosh, the day before the convention begins.
I have contacted a writer from Custom Planes who wants to cover this and
act as independent observer.
For both of these test flights to be meaningful and conclusive, we will
need examples of the Eggenfellner, Lycoming and NSI power plants. For
the Glastar test, the Factory demo plane, Bill James, Warren Simmon and
Tin Hurdt are ready to test. We just need Charlie to join in. I will
ask Charlie to participate, but It would be helpful if Jan could also
encourage Charlie to join us. His plane has a reported 300 plus hours
and is a gorgeous example of superb workmanship and quality.
Except for Charlie, everyone else is available for testing sometime
during the month of June.
For the proposed Oshkosh RV test, Van's Aircraft can provide their
factory demo plane, Jan Eggenfellner can use his Supercharged EJ25
powered RV-6A and NSI will bring our normally aspirated 205 HP EJ25
powered RV-6 tail dragger.
I would also like to invite anyone else would like to observe or enter
their plane into the Arlington test session to show up and participate.
It would be very difficult to include any more RV's in the Oshkosh test
due to the time constraints of the participating vendors having to
transport and set up their respective displays for the air show. Please
contact me if you would like to join are test session at Arlington.
This is not a competition. The purpose is to gather good, solid, flight
data, observations and comments from a knowledgeable test team on a
variety of engine and prop combinations flying under similar conditions.
This will also be tremendous opportunity for those who are supporting
the Subaru movement. The data obtained will "Once And For All" show
that the Subaru is not only a good engine for aircraft, but at long
last, their is an viable alternative/replacement for the old Lycoming.
I look forward to comments and suggestions.
Have a great day everyone,
Lance wheeler>>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Generally any warning that says "Send this to everyone you know..." is a hoax.
JDaniel343@aol.com wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com
I recieved this from a very reliable source. I am just pasing it on.
Very Urgent!!!!!!!...
PASS THIS ON TO ANYONE YOU HAVE AN E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR.
If you receive an email titled: "It Takes Guts to Say
Jesus"
DO NOT OPEN IT. It will erase everything on your hard
drive.
This information was announced yesterday morning from
IBM; AOL states that this is a very dangerous virus,
much worse than
"Melissa," and that there is NO Remedy for it at this
time. Some very sick
individual has succeeded in using the reformat
function from Norton
Utilities
causing it to completely erase all documents on the
hard drive. It has been
designed to work with Netscape Navigator and Microsoft
Internet Explorer. It
destroys Macintosh and IBM compatible computers.
This is a new, very malicious virus and not many
people know about it. Pass
this warning along to EVERYONE in your address book
! and please share it with
all your online friends ASAP so that this threat maybe
stopped. Please
practice cautionary measures and tell anyone that may
have access to your
computer. Forward this warning to everyone that you
know that might access
the Internet.
Joyce L. Bober
IBM Information Systems
Pittsburgh Mailing Systems
412 - 922-8744
do not archive
John Danielson
RV-6
--
RV-4
N311SV, FLYING!!
bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you
Luke 6:28, NAS
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| Subject: | Re: off topic - birth certificate |
05/06/2003 02:28:49 PM,
Serialize by Router on ajdcnotes/AOC(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at
05/06/2003
02:28:52 PM,
Serialize complete at 05/06/2003 02:28:52 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chris Salter" <salter@greenlynk.com>
I believe the procdure is the same in most states, contact the bureau of
vital statistics/bureau of marriage,birth and deaths etc. in the state in
which you were born and ask them for the procdure for getting a copy and
then follow it. In Alabama it cost $12 for a certified copy. If you can
physically go to the office they ususally can get you one the same day.
Chris Salter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
<vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: off topic - birth certificate
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
> I need some help getting a replacement/copy of my birth certificate...
> Anyone have any connections here?
>
> I was born abroad, and I really need to get this before June 16th or I am
a
> dead man!
>
> Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!
>
> -Bill VonDane
> 719-540-1997
> 719-510-0854
> bill@vondane.com
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Them Aeroquip AE466 "blues" |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
Several months ago a link was given (for an unrelated subject) to a
photo of an RV with the cowling off. The builder had used what looked
like AE466 hose with the blue integral firesleeve- Any idea who this
was or who can supply this hose? Varga has it in brown, but I'm just
picky!!
Thanks!
Mark - do not archive -
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| Subject: | SilverSolderingAMisleadingTerm |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
Silver soldering is a misleading term. I was having trouble getting some old silver
solder I had to flow into the joint between copper and brass on my primer
lines, so I did some research and found that the solder I was using melts at
430 degrees F! Not good when cylinder head temperatures can go up to 500 degrees.
What's really needed is a brazed joint using material that melts at 1300
to 1500 degrees F. The copper is good to 1980 degrees and the yellow brass
to 1710 degrees. So, heads up if you've been thinking of silver soldering your
primer system together.
More reading and I settled on a Harris product, Stay-Sil 5. Then I started thinking
why not braze the copper lines directly together as soon as they meet up?
A small drill and dremel to make a close joint shaped like a Y & the brazing
material makes a joint that exceeds the copper in strength. Lighter and simpler
than a distribution manifold and lots of fittings or even a series of T fittings.
What do you think?
Dave Reel - RV8A
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| Subject: | Re: Flyoff... Lycoming vs. Subaru (long) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
This will be all naturally aspirated engines right? No superchargers for
the Subaru's?
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 gear leg mounting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "GEORGE INMAN" <ghinman@attcanada.ca>
>
> I am about to drill holes for the gear legs
> on my RV-8 QB tail dragger.
> Does anyone have suggestions or
> warnings on this procedure??
> I am concerned about the holes
> coming through right on the interior,since you
> cannot see the interior reinforcement while
> drilling from the outside.
> Drawing 35 fig B-B shows leaving
> a 3/16 gap when positioning U-803 .
> does this work out O-K ?
>
>
> GEORGE H. INMAN
> ghinman@attcanada.ca
Your concern is well founded. The drawing is a bit ambiguous. I ended up
with the holes slightly too far outboard. Had to grind a slight radius on
the bottom edge of the two outboard nuts in order to clear the fillet weld
in the corner. A little more off and it might have been very bad news.
These memories are almost a year old but it seems to me that the confusion
was over where the 3/16 gap was measured from. Think I started from the
outside skin and it should have been from somewhere deeper in the stack.
Hope this helps.
Tracy Crook
RV-4 1300+
RV-8 In the works
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| Subject: | Re: Them Aeroquip AE466 "blues" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
> Several months ago a link was given (for an unrelated subject) to a
> photo of an RV with the cowling off. The builder had used what looked
> like AE466 hose with the blue integral firesleeve- Any idea who this
> was or who can supply this hose? Varga has it in brown, but I'm just
> picky!!
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
I have no idea who posted the orignal message, but I just finished using
this stuff to retrofit my motorglider... great stuff. Available from
Lockwood Aviation at http://www.lockwood-aviation.com/
$4.05/ft.
Randy Lervold
RV-8 www.rv-8.com
ASW-24E www.asw-24e.org
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
Fellow Listers:
Does anyone out there have any experience with David Clarks ENC headsets. I
am considering upgrading from my H10-60s and would like an opinion.
Thanks
Doug Weiler
Hudson, WI
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| Subject: | Re: certification |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>From: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>>have seen a situation where 5-6 rivets in a Piper wingskin missed the rib
>flange. Never seen this in a homebuilt.
I'll take a properly constructed RV over Piper or Cessna quality any ol day.
BTW, I'll paint my RV before the first flight testing. Matter of fact, just
painted the rudder black Imron today.............I know, it's going go get
so hot it will explode......so be it, it non certified so it's not up to
Cessna quality;-)...only kidding there Glenn.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Them Aeroquip AE466 "blues" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Huft" <aflyer@direcway.com>
That may have been mine... http://www.lazy8.net/fwf2.JPG
I had the hoses made up by Herber Acft. Services who advertise in TAP.
http://www.herberaircraft.com/
800-544-0050
John, RV8, 80 hours
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Phillips
Subject: RV-List: Them Aeroquip AE466 "blues"
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
Several months ago a link was given (for an unrelated subject) to a
photo of an RV with the cowling off. The builder had used what looked
like AE466 hose with the blue integral firesleeve- Any idea who this
was or who can supply this hose? Varga has it in brown, but I'm just
picky!!
Thanks!
Mark - do not archive -
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| Subject: | New RV-7 rudder. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
For you 7 guys who have not built the new rudder, the trailing edge is a
total non event. I used a piece of 3/4" square alum. tubing so I knew it
would be staight and drilled through both skins, the V-block and the tubing
together. I deburred the holes in the alum. tubing and I applied pro-seal
between the holes on the v-black so as to keep the skin dimpled holes
pro-seal free. After the pro-seal dried, I simply followed the ol
instructions, removed all clecos (that' what they're there for) and back
riveted every 10th. rivet about 1/2 way, then every 5th., 3rd., etc. until
all were pounded at least 1/2 way. You then flip it over and use your
mushroom set on the manufactured head with the back riveting plate under the
now 1/2 pounded shop head, and pound the crap (RV construction term) out of
them.
It only takes about 1/2 hour to do. The edge will end up arrow straight.
When my old rudder, now painted black, dries I'll post a pic with the two
rudders side by side to show the size difference.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Things and and stuff |
--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Alternators need speed for cooling. As previously posted they don't have a
lot of internal resistance, so even at low speed they will try to feed the
load no matter what. The voltage may not be very high, but the current can
be.
Lycoming pullies and typical automotive pullies are fairly close, but the 4"
are too big for the cowl and too slow for low RPM ops.
Spraylat worked great, but several spots were thin and they were a bitch to
get all the little flakes off after a year. I put blue masking tape on the
spraylat after it dried for more protection and it all came off very well
except for the thin spots.
Wheel landings, Mike Seager had me do them with the tail wheel about two
inches higher than a 3 point, a little power, and fly it on with a soft
touch. I do them all the time now if its windy. When its calm I try to see
how much I can drag it in by getting the tail wheel to touch way first, like
a duck makes a water landing, as this creates the most drag and slows the
aircraft down the quickest. 3 point landings use the least amount of runway,
but wheel landings allow for more directional control when cross winding.
And in gusty conditions do what ever it takes. (I usually go for a 3 pt
stall in gusty conditions)
The important thing is that a wheel landing is not a stall landing therefore
the plane will fly if the tail goes down. If it stalls in the middle of the
wheel landing it will hit, the tail will go down and it may attempt to
bounce greatly. Hence the need to fly it on softly, then let it slow down.
Also not yet said is balancing braking action against elevator action. It
can be done with the tail up but don't do it until you are comfortable with
tail up taxiing. RV's have relatively lousy brakes so it is possible. But I
wouldn't try it in a C-195 with new Cleveland brakes.
And finally, if you are making a 3 pt landing, don't transition to a wheel
landing, GO AROUND. But one can transition from a bounced wheel landing to a
3 pt as you should still have enough flying energy left after the bounce to
level off, reposition into the flare and 3 pt it.
W
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| Subject: | 44 NSR tubing question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Vans uses some 44 NSR tubing in the brake circuits. (1/4" nylo-seal).
When adding brakes to the right side I called Spruce to get some quickly.
They sent 44 NSF. Aircraft Spruce assured me 44NSF is a direct replacement
number for 44 NSR
The specs call for NSR to have a burst strength of about 2500 at 77 degrees
F. It comes down as temp goes up.
I cant find any specs for NSF. Anyone have any information. It is listed in
Spruces catalog as 44NSR, but when you order they will substitute 44NSF
without telling you.
Here is where the question comes in. The NSR is 1/4" with .050 walls. The
NSF has .035 walls. I think there is a difference. Before I get NSR from
Vans, I want some "oppinions" and hopefully someone can direct me to some
specs...
Phil at Litchfield, IL
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| Subject: | Re: DC ENR Headsets |
--> RV-List message posted by: Top Secret <starcast82@yahoo.com>
Want to sell a pair of what you have. I need a headset, looking for a deal.
Doug Weiler <dougweil@pressenter.com> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug
Weiler"
Fellow Listers:
Does anyone out there have any experience with David Clarks ENC headsets. I
am considering upgrading from my H10-60s and would like an opinion.
Thanks
Doug Weiler
Hudson, WI
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Clayton Henderson" <gsuit@eonet.net>
Fellow listers...
Disregard this un-researched warning. I'm sure John has nothing but
good intentions, but this virus is a hoax that has been around for some
years. For detailed info visit this link:
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jesus-hoax.html
Clayton Henderson
RV-7 Fuselage
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
Someone a whole lot smarted than me (doesn't take much) suggested RTV instead of
ProSeal in the rudder trailing edge. Lot easier to clean up, just as good,
cheaper, etc. Any comments or suggestions?
Glenn in Arizona -9A emp. do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: SilverSolderingAMisleadingTerm |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi David,
I might be mistreaken about this; I was lead to believe that silver solder
can be had that melts at different temperatures. Go ask your nearest
Gunsmith and get the real facts.
Also I doubt that the the silver soldered part of the fitting mounted out
board of external area of the cylinder head that you refer to will ever
actually reach a temp of 430 degrees.
Jim (I never make mistreaks) In Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
Subject: RV-List: SilverSolderingAMisleadingTerm
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
>
> Silver soldering is a misleading term. I was having trouble getting some
old silver solder I had to flow into the joint between copper and brass on
my primer lines, so I did some research and found that the solder I was
using melts at 430 degrees F! Not good when cylinder head temperatures can
go up to 500 degrees. What's really needed is a brazed joint using material
that melts at 1300 to 1500 degrees F. The copper is good to 1980 degrees
and the yellow brass to 1710 degrees. So, heads up if you've been thinking
of silver soldering your primer system together.
>
> More reading and I settled on a Harris product, Stay-Sil 5. Then I
started thinking why not braze the copper lines directly together as soon as
they meet up? A small drill and dremel to make a close joint shaped like a
Y & the brazing material makes a joint that exceeds the copper in strength.
Lighter and simpler than a distribution manifold and lots of fittings or
even a series of T fittings. What do you think?
>
> Dave Reel - RV8A
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: DC ENR Headsets |
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
I have a set in my RV, on the pilots side, and a set of passive
H10-20's on the passenger side.
They work well for me. Can notice a difference when you turn them
on, but it's not huge. If it weren't for the mic on the DC's, I'd
probably look at some of the others on the market.
Laird RV-6 700 hrs
Kauai
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
>
>Fellow Listers:
>
>Does anyone out there have any experience with David Clarks ENC headsets. I
>am considering upgrading from my H10-60s and would like an opinion.
>
>Thanks
>
>Doug Weiler
>Hudson, WI
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: DC ENR Headsets |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
I have two sets for my bird and I think the world of them. The difference
when they are turned off is huge. They work by creating the opposite sine
wave to offset the noise outside.....but seem to do it at your eardrum. The
reason I say this is that if you are sitting in a nice quiet office with
them on your head and make airplane noises, hmmmmmmmmm......it still works!
Pretty bizarre...technology borrowed from the Roswell aliens I'm sure.....
like microwaves and cellphones :) The only problem I have with them is
mine are battery powered. So when they decide to quit, (always without
warning) it pretty much sucks. I have more than one partner in my current
airplane and more often than not, the battery pack is left on and they are
dead when its my turn. If you can get plug in power then go for it. They are
a bit expensive, but if you are planning on traveling, well worth the extra
expense.
Just my opinion......Start the HUGE debate now....
Evan Johnson
( fuel tank headquarters)
www.evansaviationproducts.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Top Secret" <starcast82@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: DC ENR Headsets
> --> RV-List message posted by: Top Secret <starcast82@yahoo.com>
>
> Want to sell a pair of what you have. I need a headset, looking for a
deal.
>
> Doug Weiler <dougweil@pressenter.com> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by:
"Doug Weiler"
>
> Fellow Listers:
>
> Does anyone out there have any experience with David Clarks ENC headsets.
I
> am considering upgrading from my H10-60s and would like an opinion.
>
> Thanks
>
> Doug Weiler
> Hudson, WI
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Turn Coordinator tilt. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
I've searched the archives and found this quote:
>>>>The Turn Coordinator
rotor's lateral axis is tilted 30 degrees to the long axis of the
instrument so the pilot could get a "roll" indication but primarily
measures the rate of turn of the nose of the airplane ("yaw") of the
plane. Remember that 90 degree rule about gyros reacting to a force
being applied. You'll probably have to draw it out on paper, like I
did, to get the gist of it
So, that being as clear as mud--you really only have to set the Attitude
gyro to be level in level flight to get accurate readings.<<<<<
I also found a quote from Van's that said a TC marked "for vertical panel
only" was OK with the 8 degree tilt on our RVs. With that said, a quote
from a manufacturer said,....."you must have the tilt built in on a TC, just
as you would on an AH".
Since I am going to use a Dynon, I am looking for an electric TC, VSI and
altimeter as primary backup just as I trained partial panel IFR.
With all these quotes in the archives..............would someone please shed
some light, instead of mud, on whether the TC must have built in tilt. If 8
degrees off won't substantially degrade the timing of a 1 minute turn to
180, then I won't worry the first minute about it.............like I can
hold a standard rate turn, partial panel, IFR, night, seat cushion up my
But$%# steady as we go.............where is that red S??
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: ohio builders |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
I live in Holmes Co. (Killbuck Twp.) and am in the
process of Fiberglass and Painting on my RV6-A. My wife Cathy is installing
the interior as the panal is complete and working!
Come on down and learn how you too can build your own
Aireo-plane!!
Tom in Ohio
>
> >From: Top Secret <starcast82@yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RV-List: ohio builders
> >Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 18:45:35 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Top Secret <starcast82@yahoo.com>
> >
> >Thinking strongly of building an RV after completing my pilots license. I
> >was wondering if there was anyone in Ohio currently building or flying an
> >RV aircraft. I'd like to see your projects you are building to see what
is
> >involved in constructing an RV and if possible find someone who is
finished
> >and will take me for a ride so I can be sure that I know what I will have
> >when finished and also learn what they thought of the building process.
> >Thanks everyone
> >
> >---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Interesting story about painting planes and the FAA |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Wessel" <Robin.Wessel@verizon.net>
http://www.creativepro.com/story/feature/19433.html?cprose=4-18
Robin Wessel
RV-6A
Tigard, OR
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Vince Himsl" <vhimsl@turbonet.com>
RTV is recommended in my instructions...the blue one...
Regards,
Vince Himsl
RV8 fuselage/finish
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Brasch
Subject: RV-List: RTV Vs. ProSeal
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
Someone a whole lot smarted than me (doesn't take much) suggested RTV instead of
ProSeal in the rudder trailing edge. Lot
easier to clean up, just as good, cheaper, etc. Any comments or suggestions?
Glenn in Arizona -9A emp. do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Taildragger Wheel Landings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
I am required to get some tailwheel flight training and have not done it
already if this question may seem a little out of you-know-what:
If the field is a soft field, would the recommendation still be to push the
stick forward after touching down on the mains? Does the higher speed
landing technique apply equally well to paved and grass strips and soft
strips?
Larry in Indiana, RV7 Tip-up O-360 3XG reserved.
Working on Canopy reinforcement kit of Finish Kit
----- Original Message -----
From: "aronsond" <aronsond@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Taildragger Wheel Landings
> --> RV-List message posted by: "aronsond" <aronsond@pacbell.net>
>
> Don:
> Yes, a little increased energy is just what will make you feel more
> comforable with a wheel landing. I drive a Cetabria 7ECA/150. I usually
> hit the fence at 80mph, flair and keep it level, holding off until I hear
> the wheel bearings just noise up. Stick forward and work the rudder.
When
> I learned this my CFI mentioned "anticipate the bearings" and it took. A
> little faster speed will help with better control as well as a bit less
> settling.
> You'll get it, Keep Practicing!!!
> Happy flying
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Taildragger Wheel Landings
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com
> >
> >
> > Listers,
> > I am in the middle of getting my taildragger endorsement and have
> > experienced some difficulty with the wheel landings. The three-pointers
> > are not a problem. I would appreciate any tips that have worked for
> > others.
> >
> > Here's the situation:
> > I'm on short final at around 60 kts ('46 Luscombe) and turning around
1100
> > rpm. I've killed the drift, and am tracking true. As I get into ground
> > effect, I am beginning my flare and things start getting crazy. I am
> > having a difficult time making myself push the stick forward once my
mains
> > touch...it contradicts everything that I know to be true for tri-gears.
> > Would I be better off landing at a slightly higher speed by flying it
onto
> > the deck rather than slightly flaring? Second question- How do the RV's
> > compare to the Luscombe when it comes to handling on the ground?
Several
> > people have raised a brow when I have told them that I was learning in a
> > Luscombe. What is it about a Luscombe that causes this response? I
have
> > been able to experience a pretty stiff cross wind in the Luscombe
without
> > too much difficulty, so my hopes are that the RV will be even more
docile.
> >
> > To the non-taildragger pilots: I have already witnessed an improvement
in
> > my tricycle skills since I have started working on my taildragger
> > endorsement. I am much more aware of what is going on during landing.
> > Before, I would be content to fly into the flare and let things settle
out
> > on their own...now I have learned not to become a passenger in the last
> > foot or so of landing. For lack of a better description, the
taildragger
> > training has slowed down those final seconds of flight to a point that
> they
> > can be managed. It is like observing a landing in slow-motion from
behind
> > the plane. (Or is this caused by licking those mushrooms?) No new
skills
> > are required, only focusing on the basics that I should have been
> following
> > all along in the tricycle configuration. This is the most fun that I
> > have had in an airplane, and if you feel the need for a landing
refresher,
> > this is a great way to go.
> >
> > Don Alexander
> > RV-8 or 8A (Soon to decide)
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: SilverSolderingAMisleadingTerm |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
I just finished silver soldering my primer lines with "real" silver solder.
The real stuff melts at 1208 F. I found that much of the solder being
peddled as "silver solder" is really just a lead free material with maybe 2
percent silver, and it melts at around 400 F to 450 F. After a bit of
research I found the right stuff in a small package at a local hardware
store. It takes a little practice to use the real silver solder but no big
deal. My biggest problem was that the residual flux would plug up the line
as it cooled, so I used a piece of steel wire inserted into the tube before
it cooled to keep it open. Crude but effective.
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, firewall forward
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| Subject: | Re: RTV Vs. ProSeal |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
My comments after my night's cocktail.
I went with the engineer's suggested method in the construction manual.
That is what I paid them far. And I try to follow it unless I have a some
reason not too. I think Pro-seal works reasonably well and I might have
some left over. It is messy, but it will clean up. And it works. And did
I say, I think it works.
Will something else work? Probably! Do I want my plane to be any more
experimental than it already is?
NO!!
Do Not Archive.
Larry in Indiana, RV7 Tip-up O-360 3XG reserved.
Working on Canopy of Finish Kit
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
<RV-9A@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: RTV Vs. ProSeal
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
>
> Someone a whole lot smarted than me (doesn't take much) suggested RTV
instead of ProSeal in the rudder trailing edge. Lot easier to clean up,
just as good, cheaper, etc. Any comments or suggestions?
> Glenn in Arizona -9A emp. do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
I corrected that "$5 shipping" in a post right after I sent what you are
replying to. They do NOT charge $5 shipping - only the $.80 to $1.20 for
regular postage. That $5 thing is a web site problem which they are going
to address.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ollie Washburn" <skybolt-aviator@msn.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Charts
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ollie Washburn" <skybolt-aviator@msn.com>
>
> ----They also charge $5 shipping. Not a very good deal for 1 or 2 charts.
> Ollie 6A Central Fl.
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Carter
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Charts
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
>
> Len,
>
> I found this source at Oshkosh 2 years ago and prices are same: "25% off
> list".
>
> www.flyairways.com
>
> They have VFR (Sectionals) and IFR products.
>
> I have the FAA price list from last Oct 02 and Sectional is $8.
> www.flyairways today shows list price $8 and their price $6.
>
> David Carter
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Lenleg@aol.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Charts
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
> >
> > Listers:
> >
> > I can't remember the name of the company Andy had in Winter Park
supplying
> > charts????? Need charts for a trip at a good price !!
> >
> > Len Leggette RV-8A
> > N901LL
> > Greensboro, N.C.
> > 69 hours !!
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Cling Window Tint |
--> RV-List message posted by: James Bond <rvflyingisfun@yahoo.com>
Hello Group I was at the Wall Mart the other day and found some of that Cling Flim
in a Dark Limo Tint. It is a long cut to fit roll for 9.84. Wanted to know
if there is any troble with this film cling to the lexan. Can this cause any
kind of warping to the canopy? Does this stuff work to cut down on the heat in
a tip up cockpit? ThanksJames PS want to buy Turn and Bank Coordinator
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: 44 NSR tubing question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Newman" <newmanb@rocketmail.com>
According to Wicks catalog, Nylo-seal type SN-44 (0.25" OD, 0.033 wall
thickness)has a burst pressure of 1500 psi and a working pressure of 375 psi.
Also, Wicks catalog lists Nylo-flo (type T) tubing for brake line
applications, which has a burst pressure of 1000 psi. Tony Bingelis lists both
types in 10/87 EAA Sport Aviation article, "Your Brake Installation".
Bob
> Vans uses some 44 NSR tubing in the brake circuits. (1/4" nylo-seal).
>
Aircraft Spruce assured me 44NSF is a direct replacement
> number for 44 NSR
>
> The specs call for NSR to have a burst strength of about 2500 at 77 degrees
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| Subject: | Re: Cling Window Tint |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Several years ago, I paid $12 for a roll of dark limo static cling tint from
Pep Boys. I cut it into 3 pieces and have two installed in my airplane with
slider canopy. Works great. Round off the corners so that it does not blow
off. On the slider, we taxi with the canopy open and square corners have a
tendency of coming up. I was taking the tint off for the winter but it now
has been in for over a year. I was asked about it within the past two
weeks. Pulled a corner up and a small section back to demo that it will
come out and how easy it is to go back in.
You may get some creases in it the first time you install it. I recommend
installing it when it is HOT or reinstalling it after it has been in the sun
for some time. One trick that I did not use that could be done is to spray
the plexi with a water mist spray bottle, apply the tint, and then squeegee
out the water.
Yes this is done on the INSIDE of the canopy.
It does cut down on the heat you feel while flying.
I will be at AirVenture 2003 so stop by and check it out.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,272 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
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From: James Bond <rvflyingisfun@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Cling Window Tint
--> RV-List message posted by: James Bond <rvflyingisfun@yahoo.com>
Hello Group I was at the Wall Mart the other day and found some of that
Cling Flim in a Dark Limo Tint. It is a long cut to fit roll for 9.84.
Wanted to know if there is any troble with this film cling to the lexan. Can
this cause any kind of warping to the canopy? Does this stuff work to cut
down on the heat in a tip up cockpit? ThanksJames PS want to buy Turn and
Bank Coordinator
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| Subject: | Re: Taildragger Wheel Landings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
>
>snip
>
> If the field is a soft field, would the recommendation still be to push
the
> stick forward after touching down on the mains? Does the higher speed
> landing technique apply equally well to paved and grass strips and soft
> strips?
>
If it is a soft field I would not even think about doing a wheel landing, so
I wouldn't have to think about pushing forward.
Of course we all have our opinions and mine is that wheel landings are good
for entertainment purposes only. This is from someone who lives in an area
where the wind gusts have exceeded 40 knots in about 4 of the last 10 days.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Parking fee for an RV at San Jose International - $50! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
> Wow, what a shock! Either buy 25 gallons of gas or pay $50 ramp
> fee. Ugh. I landed with 20 gallons already on board just so I wouldn't
> have to buy gas there. I knew better having parked close by for ten
years.
Like most RVers I definitely prefer the little airports, but sometimes there
just isn't one where I want to go, and I end up at a big Int'l one. Being a
typically stingy aviator, I've learned a few tricks over the years....
The first is that it's worthwhile to call up the FBO before going and asking
how flexible they are on the fee. I once did this -- told them my little
plane doesn't take much gas so pretty please? They ended up cutting the fee
in half and then loaning me a virtually new courtesy car!
At another large Int'l airport I had to leave my plane for a week, and well
ahead of time started calling to get a hangar, but there were NO hangars
available. In desparation I called the turbine-type maintenance facilities
just to see if they could tuck my plane in a corner of one of their big
hangars.... not only did they let me do that for free ("Just push it back
over there behind that Gulvstream-IV") but I skipped the ramp fee normally
charged by Signature since I landed and pulled right into the
(non-Signature) maintenance facility.
Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~450 hrs)
Portland, OR
www.vanshomewing.org
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| Subject: | Re: RTV Vs. ProSeal |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
> Someone a whole lot smarted than me (doesn't take much) suggested RTV
instead of ProSeal in the rudder trailing edge. Lot easier to clean up,
just as good, cheaper, etc. Any comments or suggestions?
It probably doesn't make that much difference for the rudder TE. But I have
found that proseal sticks better and is way tougher than RTV, and I use it
in all but the highest-heat applications.
Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~450 hrs)
Portland, OR
www.vanshomewing.org
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