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1. 03:36 AM - Re: OT Looking for a Paper (Doug Gray)
2. 04:59 AM - Re: C/S Prop or not (Alex Peterson)
3. 05:27 AM - Re: C/S Prop or not (Gordon or Marge Comfort)
4. 05:42 AM - DOW 732 SEALANT AVAILABLE (DFaile@aol.com)
5. 05:57 AM - Fast Glass (Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com)
6. 06:15 AM - Re: ANR Headsets (Richard Dudley)
7. 06:41 AM - Ramp Fleas (Ken Brooks)
8. 06:44 AM - Re: Cessna Bashing (graham jones)
9. 07:37 AM - RV4 4Sale on EBAY (Glenn Brasch)
10. 07:46 AM - Re: DC ENR Headsets (Dwight Frye)
11. 08:20 AM - Re: LED swivel map/night lights ( Help ) (P M Condon)
12. 08:37 AM - Re: Ramp Fleas (SportAV8R@aol.com)
13. 10:11 AM - RV Trip to Hilltop Lakes, TX on Saturday, 5-10-03 (RV_8 Pilot)
14. 10:26 AM - Re: Cessna Bashing - 7 hr PSEL (RV_8 Pilot)
15. 10:28 AM - Re: Ramp Fleas (glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com)
16. 10:34 AM - Re: Ramp Fleas (WALTER KERR)
17. 10:38 AM - Re: Re: Turn coordinators (was: More stuff) (Bill Dube)
18. 11:35 AM - Re: C/S Prop or not (Cy Galley)
19. 11:52 AM - Re: Re: LED swivel map/night lights ( Help ) (Bill Dube)
20. 11:55 AM - Re: RV4 4Sale on EBAY (Cy Galley)
21. 01:06 PM - Re: Ramp Fleas (Brian Denk)
22. 01:15 PM - First Flight N46FC (JusCash@aol.com)
23. 01:46 PM - CS prop how to user guide? (Scott Bilinski)
24. 01:49 PM - Re: First Flight N46FC (Rob Miller)
25. 02:47 PM - Re: CS prop how to user guide? (MSices)
26. 02:57 PM - Re: CS prop how to user guide? (Cy Galley)
27. 03:01 PM - Re: CS prop how to user guide? (Phil Birkelbach)
28. 03:12 PM - Re:insurance??? (david just david)
29. 03:30 PM - Re: CS prop how to user guide? (Terry Williams)
30. 03:33 PM - Re: Re:insurance??? (Ken Balch)
31. 03:36 PM - Re: OT Looking for a Paper (Jordan Grant)
32. 03:41 PM - Re: Re:insurance??? (John Helms)
33. 03:54 PM - Re: CS prop how to user guide? (Scott Bilinski)
34. 03:54 PM - Re: Re:insurance??? (Scott Bilinski)
35. 03:56 PM - Re: Re:insurance??? (Larry Pardue)
36. 04:12 PM - Re: Pop Rivet Help! (Geoff Evans)
37. 04:26 PM - Re: Ramp Fleas now "The Shirt" (Dana Overall)
38. 04:28 PM - Need FBO advise - Addison Field, Dallas TX (Kyle Boatright)
39. 04:30 PM - Re: Re: OT Looking for a Paper (Scott Bilinski)
40. 04:30 PM - Re: Re:insurance??? (Paul Besing)
41. 04:33 PM - Re: Re:insurance??? (John Helms)
42. 04:36 PM - OT: Cessna 140 For Sale (Paul Besing)
43. 04:36 PM - Re: Re:insurance??? (John Helms)
44. 04:40 PM - Re: Re:insurance??? (John Helms)
45. 05:20 PM - Re: RV Trip to Hilltop Lakes, TX on Saturday, 5-10-03 (Michael Stephan)
46. 05:24 PM - RV-7 rudder comparison pic. (Dana Overall)
47. 05:29 PM - Re: Ramp Fleas (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
48. 05:32 PM - Re: CS prop how to user guide? (Konrad Werner)
49. 05:38 PM - Re: CS prop how to user guide? (Kevin Horton)
50. 05:54 PM - Re: CS prop how to user guide? (Dan Checkoway)
51. 06:07 PM - Re: Re: LED swivel map/night lights ( Help ) (Terry Burks)
52. 06:37 PM - Re: CS prop how to user guide? (Jerry Springer)
53. 07:24 PM - Re: First Flight N46FC (Charles Rowbotham)
54. 07:27 PM - Re: Ramp Fleas now "The Shirt" (Glenn Brasch)
55. 08:10 PM - Re: CS prop how to user guide? (Alex Peterson)
56. 08:16 PM - Re: Ramp Fleas (Clayton Henderson)
57. 09:07 PM - Re: First Flight N46FC (Vanremog@aol.com)
58. 09:15 PM - jABIRU 8 CYLINDER ENGINE. (MICK MULLER)
59. 09:36 PM - Re: DC ENR Headsets (Larry Bowen)
60. 09:37 PM - Re: Re: LED swivel map/night lights ( Help ) (Larry Bowen)
61. 09:46 PM - Re: CS prop how to user guide? (Dan Checkoway)
62. 10:04 PM - Re: jABIRU 8 CYLINDER ENGINE. (Rob Prior)
63. 10:06 PM - Re: CS prop how to user guide? (Vanremog@aol.com)
64. 10:09 PM - Mount for ControlVision (Albert Gardner)
65. 10:26 PM - Re: Ramp Fleas now "The Shirt" (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
66. 11:11 PM - Re: Ramp Fleas now "The Shirt" (Jeff Point)
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| Subject: | Re: OT Looking for a Paper |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
The irony was probably a bit obscure. My reaction to some of the recent
threads.
Thanks for the leads, looks like I'll be ordering a copy from NASA.
Doug Gray
Chris W wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
>
> Maybe it's just me, but I don't see how this is Off Topic. It seems very on
> topic to me. If it is off topic, which I don't think it is, why is there no
> do not archive?
>
> Chris W
>
> do not archive
>
> Doug Gray wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
>>
>>I know this is off topic but can anyone point me to a copy (ecopy if
>>possible) of the following paper:
>>
>># Miley, S., An Experimental Investigation of the Aerodynamics and
>>Cooling of a Horizontally-Opposed Air-Cooled Aircraft Engine
>>Installation, NASA Contractor Report 3405, March 1981.
>>
>>I am wondering if this paper may have some scientifically derrived
>>information to help me decide on building an engine plenum or not.
>>
>>Doug Gray
>>RV-6 fuse
>>dreaming about engine installation.
>>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
> On take-off, the CS prop has two advantages: the engine can run at
> rated rpm, so it makes more power. And the prop pitch is much finer,
> so the blades aren't stalled like most FP prop blades are during the
> first part of the take-off roll. If the FP prop guy gets a static
> rpm of 2200, then the CS guy has about a 14% power advantage during
> the early part of the take-off roll (based on a spreadsheet version
> of the O-360 power chart).
I have taken off immediately behind (maybe 100 feet) a FP 180 -6 in my
180 CS 6A, and have been airborne before the lead plane. One must
throttle back significantly to avoid overtaking the lead plane.
However, once we are at about 120 kias, we are very equal during the
climb at full throttle (I believe the other plane has a metal
Sensenich). At cruise, flying side by side, he is burning about 9 and I
7.5 gph. I would suspect at least half, if not 2/3s, of this difference
is my ability to lean past peak (I have FI), while the other half is the
prop. I don't know the drag difference between a faired nose gear and an
unfaired tail wheel, another difference.
Another advantage the CS has that hasn't been mentioned is cruise noise.
2300 rpm is much quieter than 2600, startling so.
I agree, if one must, trade off things that are upgradeable in the
future to get a CS, you won't regret it.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 296 hours
www.rvforum.org MAY 31st!! Let's set a record for RV attendance!
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | Re: C/S Prop or not |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon or Marge Comfort" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
Subject: RV-List: C/S Prop or not
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bryan or Lezlie Pender"
<pender@airmail.net>
>
> At the risk of asking for plenty of opinions, is there anyone out there
who has operated O320 powered RV's with both fixed pitch and C/S props.
Dismissing the difference in cost, is there noticeable performance advantage
for one or the other? And I understand the weight cg difference.
>
> Bryan
Bryan: I concur with pretty much your other list responders have said.
Dick Sipp and I have 160hp RV-4's, his with a Hartzell CS and mine with a
Sensenich metal 81" pitch. In a racehorse start and climb to some middling
altitude, say 8000' with max power all the way, I can't keep him in sight.
I could probably not stay in the same county with him. Top speeds will
differ only slightly and that depends on how well the FP matches the
airframe. The CS gives better altitude performance without question.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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| Subject: | DOW 732 SEALANT AVAILABLE |
--> RV-List message posted by: DFaile@aol.com
Dow Corning # 732 Multi-Purpose Sealant available. Ten 4 OZ tubes for
installing tip up rear window and many other uses. ASC catalog lists as $6.95
per tube. Please contact me off list and make an offer to include shipping. <A
HREF="DFaile@aol.com">
DFaile@aol.com
Please do not archive.
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05/08/2003 08:54:53 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com
> Around our airport, RV's are called "Ramp Flees" by the Fast Glass crowd.
Fast glass?? whatever. Find a glass plane that has a similar weight, same
HP,
same landing speed
(I'd like to see that one) and I don't think you will notice a very big
difference
in cruise speed.
Then there is the price.
I still get tickled when I think about the graffiti that I saw on the
inside of a Sh_ t Shack at Sun N Fun-
Someone has scribed " And to think that I could have been a Glasair..."
Pilots have such a great sense of humor.
I call them "Scratch and Sniffs" because you itch while you build them and
they smell bad while curing. I admire those who undertake building glass
planes. I've seen only one crummy looking glass plane (The White Lightning
factory demonstrator...dying a slow death on the ramp in the sun), but I've
seen many RV's that looked like pigs with lipstick. Metal is so
unforgiving.
Don Alexander
Striving not to build another "Pig with Lipstick" RV-8
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: ANR Headsets |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Mike,
I have a hard copy that I got from a website. The address of the
author(s) is rv7@b4.ca
The page that I have on my copy is:
http://www.b4.ca/raa_85/story/ANRHeadsets/index.htm
I tried this link and it works for me.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
-6a FWF
Michael Holcomb wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Michael Holcomb" <mholcomb@houston.rr.com>
>
> I recall seeing a review of ANR headsets either in print or on the web and
> can't remember where I saw it. Does anyone remember seeing an article
> comparing ANR headsets in the last two or three months? I believe the
> conclusion was for a Lightspeed model.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" <kenbrooks@charter.net>
--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
Around our airport, RV's are called "Ramp Flees" by the Fast Glass
crowd.
Laird RV-6
Yeah, but did you know that a flea can jump 4000 (?) times its body
length? Maybe they call RVs "ramp flees" because while the other guys
are trouble-shooting their airplanes, all the RVs are "fleeing" the
field! Better get another cuppa and get to work on N1903P resvd.
And of course, do not archive
Ken Brooks
Roscoe, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Cessna Bashing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "graham jones" <gratech2@bigpond.com>
Dave
RE: >WOW! A private license in only 7 hours!
I think you missed this line at the bottom of Denis' post...... 7 hours
would be just about right for a conversion..... (was that 1 hour for each
engine missing from the Cessna....????)
> 3,500 hours in a B-52D (it is not much of a sport plane either, but OH
WHEN YOU NEED ONE, it is the best in the world)
Denis,
and which 'sport' would that be for????
Jonesy in OZ.
RV6A - buried somewhere in the shed......
Do not archive....
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| Subject: | RV4 4Sale on EBAY |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
There is one, "almost completed" with engine, on EBAY, FYI.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2414573634&category26428
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| Subject: | Re: DC ENR Headsets |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
I can second the recommendation for the Headsets Inc conversion. I had
my old H10-20 converted at Sun-N-Fun this year and am really quite pleased
with the results.
-- Dwight
RV-7 / wings / QB fuse on order
do not archive
On Wed May 7 22:40:55 2003, Rick Rathbun wrote :
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Rathbun" <meanuncle@attbi.com>
>
>Another possibility if you like your current headset is a conversion. I did
>mine with a Headstets Inc. kit, was pleased with the results and it wasn't
>that hard to do.
>
>Rick Rathbun
>RV8 forever build
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
>To: "RV List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: DC ENR Headsets
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
>>
>> Fellow Listers:
>>
>> Does anyone out there have any experience with David Clarks ENC headsets.
>I
>> am considering upgrading from my H10-60s and would like an opinion.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Doug Weiler
>> Hudson, WI
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | re: LED swivel map/night lights ( Help ) |
--> RV-List message posted by: P M Condon <pcondon@mitre.org>
Vans and ACS sold a small LED swivel map light in the past( cost about
46$ ). Its the one about the size of a AAA battery and pivots and
swivels and has four LEDs(not the round eyeball, three hole, quarter
sized one) Neither Vans or ACS has these now. I need two of these map
lights...anyone have these in there parts bin or know where I can get
them??? Or, any leads on a LED map light that looks like it belongs in
a airplane ???
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--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
> Around our airport, RV's are called "Ramp Flees" by the Fast Glass
> crowd.
>
I find this confusing, since I associate both fleas and fiberglass with
intense itching.
-Bill B
my favorite sig line is: do not archive
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| Subject: | RV Trip to Hilltop Lakes, TX on Saturday, 5-10-03 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
I've picked up some talk about a group of RV flyers going to Hilltop Lakes
this Saturday. Anyone have details? A flight of 4 from Houston might be
looking for a Saturday day trip and wouldn't mind heading up that way if
others are going also.
do not archive
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
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| Subject: | Re: Cessna Bashing - 7 hr PSEL |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Cessna ben berry, berry good to him!!
Hey - serously. I learned to fly in one too! Took me a little over 40 hrs
though. ;) Wonderful planes, excellent trainers. have almost 300 hrs
dual given in -150's to -182's and enjoyed *almost* every minute of it.
But I still get a great big kick out of blowing their doors off with my
little Ramp Flea!! ha!! "how much that 230-hp, -182 cost you...?" as I'm
blowing by with my 160-hp, garage built magic carpet. Two different
machines, with two different missions. But glad I have what I have.
do not archive
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
>
>WOW! A private license in only 7 hours!
>
>Dave
>
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22, 2002) at 05/08/2003 01:28:07 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com
I want so bad to place on the porta potties at OshKosh a bumper sticker
that says "lancair/glasair shipping crate" or "I used to be a
lancair/glasair".
It broke my heart when Vans quit selling the T-shirts that said "friends
dont let friends fly plastic airplanes"
Glenn Williams
do not archive
And by the way I worked on Cessnas
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--> RV-List message posted by: "WALTER KERR" <kerrjb@msn.com>
The fleas don't itch, it is those they associate with. The fast glass ones
may itch to own an RV in a secretive way!
Bernie ;definitely do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <SportAV8R@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Ramp Fleas
> --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>
>
> > Around our airport, RV's are called "Ramp Flees" by the Fast Glass
> > crowd.
> >
>
> I find this confusing, since I associate both fleas and fiberglass with
> intense itching.
>
> -Bill B
> my favorite sig line is: do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Turn coordinators (was: More stuff) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
At 08:53 PM 5/7/2003, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "DEREK REED" <dreed@cdsnet.net>
>
>Also the manual adjustment for ground reference runs nearly to the extreme
>of it's travel when mounted on an 8 degree panel.
A turn coordinator has no ground reference. Perhaps you are
thinking of an artificial horizon.
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| Subject: | Re: C/S Prop or not |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
You overlooked the landing brake of the CS when landing. Makes a very big
difference.
Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
www.bellanca-championclub.com
Actively supporting Aeroncas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: C/S Prop or not
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
>
>
> > On take-off, the CS prop has two advantages: the engine can run at
> > rated rpm, so it makes more power. And the prop pitch is much finer,
> > so the blades aren't stalled like most FP prop blades are during the
> > first part of the take-off roll. If the FP prop guy gets a static
> > rpm of 2200, then the CS guy has about a 14% power advantage during
> > the early part of the take-off roll (based on a spreadsheet version
> > of the O-360 power chart).
>
> I have taken off immediately behind (maybe 100 feet) a FP 180 -6 in my
> 180 CS 6A, and have been airborne before the lead plane. One must
> throttle back significantly to avoid overtaking the lead plane.
> However, once we are at about 120 kias, we are very equal during the
> climb at full throttle (I believe the other plane has a metal
> Sensenich). At cruise, flying side by side, he is burning about 9 and I
> 7.5 gph. I would suspect at least half, if not 2/3s, of this difference
> is my ability to lean past peak (I have FI), while the other half is the
> prop. I don't know the drag difference between a faired nose gear and an
> unfaired tail wheel, another difference.
>
> Another advantage the CS has that hasn't been mentioned is cruise noise.
> 2300 rpm is much quieter than 2600, startling so.
>
> I agree, if one must, trade off things that are upgradeable in the
> future to get a CS, you won't regret it.
>
> Alex Peterson
> Maple Grove, MN
> RV6-A N66AP 296 hours
> www.rvforum.org MAY 31st!! Let's set a record for RV attendance!
>
> www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: re: LED swivel map/night lights ( Help ) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
At 09:24 AM 5/8/2003, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: P M Condon <pcondon@mitre.org>
>
>Vans and ACS sold a small LED swivel map light in the past( cost about
>46$ ). Its the one about the size of a AAA battery and pivots and
>swivels and has four LEDs(not the round eyeball, three hole, quarter
>sized one) Neither Vans or ACS has these now. I need two of these map
>lights...anyone have these in there parts bin or know where I can get
>them??? Or, any leads on a LED map light that looks like it belongs in
>a airplane ???
$46!!!!!!
High-brightness LEDs cost less than $2. You would not need more
than one of the latest ones they make. Add a ~ 600 ohm 1/4 watt resistor
for a few pennies to hold the current at somewhere near 20 mA and you are
done.
You can get the high-brightness LED (I like red) at:
Http://www.allelectronics.com
You might want to get a selection of viewing angles to see what
works best for your application.
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| Subject: | Re: RV4 4Sale on EBAY |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
this might work better..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2414573634&cat
egory=26428
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
<AZ_RVList@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV4 4Sale on EBAY
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
>
> There is one, "almost completed" with engine, on EBAY, FYI.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2414573634&cate
gory26428
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>I want so bad to place on the porta potties at OshKosh a bumper sticker
>that says "lancair/glasair shipping crate" or "I used to be a
>lancair/glasair".
>
>It broke my heart when Vans quit selling the T-shirts that said "friends
>dont let friends fly plastic airplanes"
>
As a proud owner of this very same T-shirt (most coveted!), I also wish
Van's still offered them! Mine is getting kinda funky...BBQ stains, sweat,
blood, proseal, the typical "RV owner's cocktail".
I make it a point to wear mine wherever plastic plane people tend to
congregate: portajohns, dermatologist offices, the skin care aisle at
Walgreens, toxic waste reclamation dump, etc.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
"ramp fleas" my a$$.
do not archive
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| Subject: | First Flight N46FC |
--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
I am proud to report that RV6 N46FC had it's first flight on Wednesday, May
7, 2003. After takeoff I orbited the airport to feel out the airplane and
check the engine instruments. All instruments were in the green, the
airplane felt great so I headed to the San Joaquin Valley for flight test.
I did my transition training with Mike Seager in a 160HP, fixed pitch, RV6.
I have to tell you, on takeoff, there was a big difference in performance
between it and my 180HP constant speed RV6. As soon as I applied power the
tail was up and I was flying. I was prepared for the increased performance
but it was still startling to feel such acceleration.
During the flight I did all of the basic maneuvers slow flight, stalls, steep
turns, etc., and found no problems. When trimmed in level flight the
airplane flies hands off.
I did several wheel and three point landings they were none events. The
airplane handled beautifully.
Post flight inspection revealed a slight oil leak on the back of the engine,
a loose fitting. That was all!
After six years and five months it was REALLY, REALLY worth it. Now it seems
like yesterday that I picked up Quick Build # 60075 from Van's old location
in No. Plains, Oregon. I believe mine was the first RV6 Tip Up.
To all of you still building don't get discouraged it really is worth the
effort. I often thought that building this airplane would be one of the
greatest achievements of my life. I now know that it is.
Keep On Pounding Them Rivets
Cash Copeland
RV6 N46FC
Hanger L 1
Hayward, Ca
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| Subject: | CS prop how to user guide? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I have never flown behind a CS prop. I am looking for some sort of generic
user guide which would contain when to do what, and what are good settings
etc. I know I am making this more complicated than necessary but its the
only part of the plane I have questions on.
Another question how do I know I am at 75% power when my IO-360 180 HP
really has 200hp?
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight N46FC |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Miller <rmill2000@yahoo.com>
Congrats Cash and welcome to the club!!
What a great feeling and sense of accomplishment you must have. Enjoy the
fruits of your labor, you've earned it!
Rob Miller
-8 N262RM "Bad Cat" 48 hours
Do not archive
--- JusCash@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
>
> I am proud to report that RV6 N46FC had it's first flight on Wednesday,
> May
> 7, 2003. After takeoff I orbited the airport to feel out the airplane
> and
> check the engine instruments. All instruments were in the green, the
> airplane felt great so I headed to the San Joaquin Valley for flight
> test.
> I did my transition training with Mike Seager in a 160HP, fixed pitch,
> RV6.
> I have to tell you, on takeoff, there was a big difference in
> performance
> between it and my 180HP constant speed RV6. As soon as I applied power
> the
> tail was up and I was flying. I was prepared for the increased
> performance
> but it was still startling to feel such acceleration.
> During the flight I did all of the basic maneuvers slow flight, stalls,
> steep
> turns, etc., and found no problems. When trimmed in level flight the
> airplane flies hands off.
> I did several wheel and three point landings they were none events. The
>
> airplane handled beautifully.
> Post flight inspection revealed a slight oil leak on the back of the
> engine,
> a loose fitting. That was all!
> After six years and five months it was REALLY, REALLY worth it. Now it
> seems
> like yesterday that I picked up Quick Build # 60075 from Van's old
> location
> in No. Plains, Oregon. I believe mine was the first RV6 Tip Up.
> To all of you still building don't get discouraged it really is worth
> the
> effort. I often thought that building this airplane would be one of the
>
> greatest achievements of my life. I now know that it is.
>
> Keep On Pounding Them Rivets
>
> Cash Copeland
> RV6 N46FC
> Hanger L 1
> Hayward, Ca
>
>
>
>
>
>
__________________________________
http://search.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | CS prop how to user guide? |
--> RV-List message posted by: MSices <msices@core.com>
Scott:
I found the following two articles by John Deakin on Avweb to be some of the
best I've read on the subject:
"Manifold Pressure Sucks"
http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182081-1.html
"Those Marvelous Props"
http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182082-1.html
Mike Sices
RV8
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott Bilinski
SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RV-List: CS prop how to user guide?
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I have never flown behind a CS prop. I am looking for some sort of generic
user guide which would contain when to do what, and what are good settings
etc. I know I am making this more complicated than necessary but its the
only part of the plane I have questions on.
Another question how do I know I am at 75% power when my IO-360 180 HP
really has 200hp?
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: CS prop how to user guide? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
You need a manifold pressure gage and a table for your engine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Bilinski" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
<SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: CS prop how to user guide?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> I have never flown behind a CS prop. I am looking for some sort of generic
> user guide which would contain when to do what, and what are good settings
> etc. I know I am making this more complicated than necessary but its the
> only part of the plane I have questions on.
>
> Another question how do I know I am at 75% power when my IO-360 180 HP
> really has 200hp?
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CS prop how to user guide? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
I learned what little I know about CS prop operations while getting a high
performance endorsement. Well actually it was a tailwheel endorsement but
the plane (Maule M5) had a 235HP engine (Insert Tim Taylor grunt here) so he
gave me both. If you really have a 200HP engine you'll have to have a high
performance endorsement anyway.
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Fuselage
http://www.myrv7.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Bilinski" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
<SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: CS prop how to user guide?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> I have never flown behind a CS prop. I am looking for some sort of generic
> user guide which would contain when to do what, and what are good settings
> etc. I know I am making this more complicated than necessary but its the
> only part of the plane I have questions on.
>
> Another question how do I know I am at 75% power when my IO-360 180 HP
> really has 200hp?
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: david just david <davlaw1@juno.com>
i just called for an estimate for coverage on an rv 8a im considering
building??? and they quoted me aprox
$5000.00 a year!!!!! holly sh__t
that quote is from avemco.... for liability,and hull with /taxi,
and/hanger est. value of the finished plane $100,000.00.
anyone else know of lesser premiums......
anyone mind sharing what there insurance costs are?? i would be
interested to know
thanks
dave
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| Subject: | Re: CS prop how to user guide? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Terry Williams <7ecapilot@attbi.com>
Rod Machado's Private Pilot Handbook has a wonderful section on
constant speed prop operation. Fully illustrated, too.
tw
On Thursday, May 8, 2003, at 03:01 PM, Phil Birkelbach wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
>
> I learned what little I know about CS prop operations while getting a
> high
> performance endorsement. Well actually it was a tailwheel endorsement
> but
> the plane (Maule M5) had a 235HP engine (Insert Tim Taylor grunt here)
> so he
> gave me both. If you really have a 200HP engine you'll have to have a
> high
> performance endorsement anyway.
>
> Godspeed,
>
> Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
> RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Fuselage
> http://www.myrv7.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Bilinski" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> To: <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>; <rv-list@matronics.com>;
> <SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RV-List: CS prop how to user guide?
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>>
>> I have never flown behind a CS prop. I am looking for some sort of
>> generic
>> user guide which would contain when to do what, and what are good
>> settings
>> etc. I know I am making this more complicated than necessary but its
>> the
>> only part of the plane I have questions on.
>>
>> Another question how do I know I am at 75% power when my IO-360 180 HP
>> really has 200hp?
>>
>>
>> Scott Bilinski
>> Eng dept 305
>> Phone (858) 657-2536
>> Pager (858) 502-5190
>>
>>
>
>
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
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> _-
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>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch1@attbi.com>
I've got my RV-8 insurance with Nationair, and am paying ~$2400/yr. with
$120K stated hull value.
Regards,
Ken Balch
RV-8 N118KB
david just david wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: david just david <davlaw1@juno.com>
>
>
>i just called for an estimate for coverage on an rv 8a im considering
>building??? and they quoted me aprox
>$5000.00 a year!!!!! holly sh__t
>
>that quote is from avemco.... for liability,and hull with /taxi,
>and/hanger est. value of the finished plane $100,000.00.
>anyone else know of lesser premiums......
>
>anyone mind sharing what there insurance costs are?? i would be
>interested to know
>thanks
>dave
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: OT Looking for a Paper |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jordan Grant" <jgrant@sw.rr.com>
Doug,
I, for one, am curious as to what that paper says. Once you get
it, is there any way you can scan it and make it available online to
everyone? As for copyright issues, I imagine it would be open-source,
since it was government-funded research.
Thanks,
Jordan Grant
RV-6 FWF
"Plenum? But I hardly even know 'um!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Gray
Subject: Re: RV-List: OT Looking for a Paper
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
The irony was probably a bit obscure. My reaction to some of the recent
threads.
Thanks for the leads, looks like I'll be ordering a copy from NASA.
Doug Gray
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
The VanGuard Insurance program would definetely be less expensive than
AVEMCO, and the coverages are much better.
I don't know what your flight times are like or if you've had any losses,
but here is a general idea for you:
100K value and 1 million limited to 100,000 per passenger for a 400 hour
pilot with just a checkout from a CFI in RV's would be around $2300. And
that'd go down at 500 hours total time, and there would be some make and
model discounts available as you build time as well.
The VanGuard Program's liability coverage is better than AVEMCO's per person
limits because AVEMCO's coverage would limit someones recovery under the
policy to 100,000 whether inside or outside the plane... And AVEMCO further
limits recovery under the policy if the person injured is a family member of
yours to 25% (25,000 in this case).
You could accrue some automatic discounts if you insure the aircraft while
it's under construction as well which would lower the quote for the flyable
coverages up to 10%.
We insure over 1000 RV's thru the program. You'll likely hear from many
others on the list that have coverage thru us. www.nationair.com
John "JT" Helms
Branch Manager
NationAir Insurance Agency
Pleasure and Business Branch
----- Original Message -----
From: "david just david" <davlaw1@juno.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re:insurance???
--> RV-List message posted by: david just david <davlaw1@juno.com>
i just called for an estimate for coverage on an rv 8a im considering
building??? and they quoted me aprox
$5000.00 a year!!!!! holly sh__t
that quote is from avemco.... for liability,and hull with /taxi,
and/hanger est. value of the finished plane $100,000.00.
anyone else know of lesser premiums......
anyone mind sharing what there insurance costs are?? i would be
interested to know
thanks
dave
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| Subject: | Re: CS prop how to user guide? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Got the MP gage but how can you get a table for a engine that has 20 more
HP the what it came from the factory with? If it was not for that a table
is fairly easy to get.
At 04:58 PM 5/8/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
>You need a manifold pressure gage and a table for your engine.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Bilinski" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>To: <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>; <rv-list@matronics.com>;
><SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RV-List: CS prop how to user guide?
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
><bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>>
>> I have never flown behind a CS prop. I am looking for some sort of generic
>> user guide which would contain when to do what, and what are good settings
>> etc. I know I am making this more complicated than necessary but its the
>> only part of the plane I have questions on.
>>
>> Another question how do I know I am at 75% power when my IO-360 180 HP
>> really has 200hp?
>>
>>
>> Scott Bilinski
>> Eng dept 305
>> Phone (858) 657-2536
>> Pager (858) 502-5190
>>
>>
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Falcon insurance, I have only 135 hours and they quoted me $1587.00 full
coverage.
At 03:13 PM 5/8/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: david just david <davlaw1@juno.com>
>
>
>i just called for an estimate for coverage on an rv 8a im considering
>building??? and they quoted me aprox
>$5000.00 a year!!!!! holly sh__t
>
>that quote is from avemco.... for liability,and hull with /taxi,
>and/hanger est. value of the finished plane $100,000.00.
>anyone else know of lesser premiums......
>
>anyone mind sharing what there insurance costs are?? i would be
>interested to know
>thanks
>dave
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: david just david <davlaw1@juno.com>
>
>
>i just called for an estimate for coverage on an rv 8a im considering
>building??? and they quoted me aprox
>$5000.00 a year!!!!! holly sh__t
>
>that quote is from avemco.... for liability,and hull with /taxi,
>and/hanger est. value of the finished plane $100,000.00.
>anyone else know of lesser premiums......
>
>anyone mind sharing what there insurance costs are?? i would be
>interested to know
>thanks
I can't decide whether it is a good idea or not to do this, but I will
give you an approximate. Bear in mind a lot goes into it other than the
facts you gave, like pilot qualifications.
I have an RV-6 insured for $1,000,000 each occurrence liability, $100,000
each passenger, $1,000 medical each passenger. Comprehensive $70,000
hull value.
I have around 2,900 hours and 1,300 tailwheel.
My premium is around 1/4 of what you mentioned. Compared to my auto
insurance, that seems reasonable to me. I would shop around. My agent
is Scott Smith.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
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| Subject: | RE: Pop Rivet Help! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Geoff Evans <hellothaimassage@yahoo.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Clayton Henderson" <gsuit@eonet.net>
>>>
Now I have a question: I looked all over the archives and couldn't find
anyone who remembers how to rivet the trim tab and hinge. I followed
(blindly?) the instructions and riveted the bottom flange, but left the
top clecoed. Now it's time to rivet that sucker, and I cannot figure
out how to get a squeezer in there! ANYBODY got any ideas???
<<<
I had to grind off the top of my yoke (directly above where the set pushes
in) in order for it to clear the hinge. After that, it worked just fine.
I can send you a picture of the yoke if you like.
-Geoff
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Ramp Fleas now "The Shirt" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
I saw the "Friends don't let friends fly plastic airplanes" shirt several
years ago at SNF, I have been wanting one since. Could someone PLEASE take
a picture of one they have and jpg it too me? I have a client who can
reproduce it or is just a plain print font.
Steve Eberhart knows exactly where I REALLY, REALLY want one of these!!
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Need FBO advise - Addison Field, Dallas TX |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
I'm headed to Dallas tomorrow, and will be flying into Addison Field. Any pointers
on selecting the *friendly* FBO on the field?
Thanks in advance and..
Do not archive
Kyle Boatright
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| Subject: | Re: RE: OT Looking for a Paper |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I too would like o see/get a copy can you make a PDF?
At 05:36 PM 5/8/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jordan Grant" <jgrant@sw.rr.com>
>
>Doug,
> I, for one, am curious as to what that paper says. Once you get
>it, is there any way you can scan it and make it available online to
>everyone? As for copyright issues, I imagine it would be open-source,
>since it was government-funded research.
>
>Thanks,
>
> Jordan Grant
> RV-6 FWF
>
> "Plenum? But I hardly even know 'um!"
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Gray
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: OT Looking for a Paper
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
>
>The irony was probably a bit obscure. My reaction to some of the recent
>threads.
>
>Thanks for the leads, looks like I'll be ordering a copy from NASA.
>
>Doug Gray
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Avemco is your first problem. Call JT at Nationair. His RV program will
cut your premums much lower.
http://www.nationair.com
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10)
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "david just david" <davlaw1@juno.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re:insurance???
> --> RV-List message posted by: david just david <davlaw1@juno.com>
>
>
> i just called for an estimate for coverage on an rv 8a im considering
> building??? and they quoted me aprox
> $5000.00 a year!!!!! holly sh__t
>
> that quote is from avemco.... for liability,and hull with /taxi,
> and/hanger est. value of the finished plane $100,000.00.
> anyone else know of lesser premiums......
>
> anyone mind sharing what there insurance costs are?? i would be
> interested to know
> thanks
> dave
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Keep in mind that the company Scott Smith uses (which I also have
available... and he does NOT have the VanGuard Program rates available) is
AIG, and they have restrictions they place on a newly completed aircraft
during the flyoff period (10% deductibles and test pilots who are not owners
are not covered for bodily injury). They also typically are not as
competitive as the program especially for low time pilots.
Normally, with really high time pilots with LOTS of time in RV's (like
yourself) AIG's premiums run about the same as the programs.
I use AIG for lots of different types of aircraft... they're a great company
(and I'm their 3rd largest broker) they just aren't as competitive as the
program on RV's.
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:insurance???
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: david just david <davlaw1@juno.com>
>
>
>i just called for an estimate for coverage on an rv 8a im considering
>building??? and they quoted me aprox
>$5000.00 a year!!!!! holly sh__t
>
>that quote is from avemco.... for liability,and hull with /taxi,
>and/hanger est. value of the finished plane $100,000.00.
>anyone else know of lesser premiums......
>
>anyone mind sharing what there insurance costs are?? i would be
>interested to know
>thanks
I can't decide whether it is a good idea or not to do this, but I will
give you an approximate. Bear in mind a lot goes into it other than the
facts you gave, like pilot qualifications.
I have an RV-6 insured for $1,000,000 each occurrence liability, $100,000
each passenger, $1,000 medical each passenger. Comprehensive $70,000
hull value.
I have around 2,900 hours and 1,300 tailwheel.
My premium is around 1/4 of what you mentioned. Compared to my auto
insurance, that seems reasonable to me. I would shop around. My agent
is Scott Smith.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
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| Subject: | OT: Cessna 140 For Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
While on the subject of Cessna bashing, I have a 1946 Cessna 140 for sale. And
contrary to popular belief, they are a joy to fly. It's not an RV, but it's
a different mission as well!
This would make a great tailwheel trainer and something to beat the flying bug
while building your RV. 100 MPH at 5 GPH.
Listed at $20,000 will take $18,000. Needs an annual, but runs great.
http://www.kitlog.com/cessna140.htm for more info. Please respond OFF LIST if interested.
do not archive
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10)
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Just a suggestion.... don't throw premium numbers around without informing
people of the type of plane (TW vs. Trike can make a big difference), the
value of the plane (your 'rate' that your charged gets multiplied by that
value and can differ vastly) and your hours (total, TW if its not a
nosedragger, and RV time)
Without those things (at least) your merely going to confuse yourself and
others.
John "JT" Helms
Branch Manager
NationAir Insurance Agency
Pleasure and Business Branch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Bilinski" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:insurance???
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Falcon insurance, I have only 135 hours and they quoted me $1587.00 full
coverage.
At 03:13 PM 5/8/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: david just david <davlaw1@juno.com>
>
>
>i just called for an estimate for coverage on an rv 8a im considering
>building??? and they quoted me aprox
>$5000.00 a year!!!!! holly sh__t
>
>that quote is from avemco.... for liability,and hull with /taxi,
>and/hanger est. value of the finished plane $100,000.00.
>anyone else know of lesser premiums......
>
>anyone mind sharing what there insurance costs are?? i would be
>interested to know
>thanks
>dave
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
I asked Ken and got permission from him to explain a bit about the
differences (thanks Ken).
His is a TW aircraft... not a trike like in the example... so his rate is a
bit higher.
His value is higher than in the example too. The rate you're assigned due
to your pilot experience gets multiplied by your value. So, while Ken is
higher time than in the example, his rate is a tad higher (because it's TW)
and it's being multiplied by $120,000 not $100,000.
Those things can vastly affect the premium that's charged.
John "JT" Helms
Branch Manager
NationAir Insurance Agency
Pleasure and Business Branch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Balch" <kbalch1@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:insurance???
--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch1@attbi.com>
I've got my RV-8 insurance with Nationair, and am paying ~$2400/yr. with
$120K stated hull value.
Regards,
Ken Balch
RV-8 N118KB
david just david wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: david just david <davlaw1@juno.com>
>
>
>i just called for an estimate for coverage on an rv 8a im considering
>building??? and they quoted me aprox
>$5000.00 a year!!!!! holly sh__t
>
>that quote is from avemco.... for liability,and hull with /taxi,
>and/hanger est. value of the finished plane $100,000.00.
>anyone else know of lesser premiums......
>
>anyone mind sharing what there insurance costs are?? i would be
>interested to know
>thanks
>dave
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV Trip to Hilltop Lakes, TX on Saturday, 5-10-03 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Michael Stephan <mstephan@shr.net>
Our EAA Chapter (168 in Dallas) plans to fly in there for lunch. We have
quite a few RVs and others as well. The plan is to meet around 11 am then
go to the restaurant by the field.
I'll be putting shop time in on my RV-8, so I won't be there, but others
will (weather permitting).
Do not archive
--
Michael Stephan
> From: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
> Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 12:09:57 -0500
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: RV Trip to Hilltop Lakes, TX on Saturday, 5-10-03
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>
> I've picked up some talk about a group of RV flyers going to Hilltop Lakes
> this Saturday. Anyone have details? A flight of 4 from Houston might be
> looking for a Saturday day trip and wouldn't mind heading up that way if
> others are going also.
>
> do not archive
>
> Bryan Jones -8
> Pearland, Texas
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-7 rudder comparison pic. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
I just uploaded a shot of both new/old 7 rudders just for comparison. I
initially thought I would dislike the new rudder until I saw in on two 7s
and SNF, it doesn't look too big when on the airplane. Just my
opinion.............ol sh%#t (see I said shoot not sh.) that opinion word
again.
BTW, yes the old rudder is now Imron black and is spectacular........in my
opinion!! Course it might get too hot and blow up.......so be it.
http://rvflying.tripod.com/comparison.jpg
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
>From: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:insurance???
>Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 18:39:43 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
>
>I asked Ken and got permission from him to explain a bit about the
>differences (thanks Ken).
>
>His is a TW aircraft... not a trike like in the example... so his rate is a
>bit higher.
>
>His value is higher than in the example too. The rate you're assigned due
>to your pilot experience gets multiplied by your value. So, while Ken is
>higher time than in the example, his rate is a tad higher (because it's TW)
>and it's being multiplied by $120,000 not $100,000.
>
>Those things can vastly affect the premium that's charged.
>
>John "JT" Helms
>Branch Manager
>NationAir Insurance Agency
>Pleasure and Business Branch
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ken Balch" <kbalch1@attbi.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:insurance???
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch1@attbi.com>
>
>I've got my RV-8 insurance with Nationair, and am paying ~$2400/yr. with
>$120K stated hull value.
>
>Regards,
>Ken Balch
>RV-8 N118KB
>
>david just david wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: david just david <davlaw1@juno.com>
> >
> >
> >i just called for an estimate for coverage on an rv 8a im considering
> >building??? and they quoted me aprox
> >$5000.00 a year!!!!! holly sh__t
> >
> >that quote is from avemco.... for liability,and hull with /taxi,
> >and/hanger est. value of the finished plane $100,000.00.
> >anyone else know of lesser premiums......
> >
> >anyone mind sharing what there insurance costs are?? i would be
> >interested to know
> >thanks
> >dave
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
I wonder if there are enough people on the list who would want a T-Shirt or
perhaps Sweat Shirt that reads "Friends don't let friends fly plastic
airplanes"?
Maybe someone knows a vendor who could make them up? I would buy at
least two!
Tom in Ohio
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Ramp Fleas
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>
> >I want so bad to place on the porta potties at OshKosh a bumper sticker
> >that says "lancair/glasair shipping crate" or "I used to be a
> >lancair/glasair".
> >
> >It broke my heart when Vans quit selling the T-shirts that said "friends
> >dont let friends fly plastic airplanes"
> >
>
>
> As a proud owner of this very same T-shirt (most coveted!), I also wish
> Van's still offered them! Mine is getting kinda funky...BBQ stains, sweat,
> blood, proseal, the typical "RV owner's cocktail".
>
> I make it a point to wear mine wherever plastic plane people tend to
> congregate: portajohns, dermatologist offices, the skin care aisle at
> Walgreens, toxic waste reclamation dump, etc.
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
> "ramp fleas" my a$$.
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CS prop how to user guide? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
Phil,
I don't think your statement is correct (off by 1+ hp).
In excess of 200hp (but not right at 200hp) requires a high performance
endorsement, I believe.
And to Scott,
Read about the operation on a constant speed prop, and the learning curve is
instantaneous. There is really nothing to it, once you understand the
principles of operation of a CS! During my flight training I transitioned
from C-150's & C-172's to a C172 with a 180hp/CS Combo in it! Wow to
increase in climb and acceleration, and the mental transition took only
minutes!
God Luck!
Konrad
Do not archive
> . . . . If you really have a 200HP engine you'll have to have a high
> performance endorsement anyway.
>
> Godspeed,
>
> Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
> RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Fuselage
> http://www.myrv7.com
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| Subject: | Re: CS prop how to user guide? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>I have never flown behind a CS prop. I am looking for some sort of generic
>user guide which would contain when to do what, and what are good settings
>etc. I know I am making this more complicated than necessary but its the
>only part of the plane I have questions on.
>
>Another question how do I know I am at 75% power when my IO-360 180 HP
>really has 200hp?
>
>Scott Bilinski
Scott,
What mods does the engine have?
Was it dynoed, or is the 200 hp an educated guess? If it was dynoed,
can they give you any data on hp vs rpm? If it was dynoed, I assume
the 200 hp value is corrected to some sort of standard conditions -
can you confirm that they use sea level and 15 deg C (59 deg F)?
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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| Subject: | Re: CS prop how to user guide? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
You only need the high perf endorsement if it's *over* 200hp (at least last
time I checked). And it's a complex endorsement that you need for the C/S
prop.
Sorry to pick nits... 8-)
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: CS prop how to user guide?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
>
> I learned what little I know about CS prop operations while getting a high
> performance endorsement. Well actually it was a tailwheel endorsement but
> the plane (Maule M5) had a 235HP engine (Insert Tim Taylor grunt here) so
he
> gave me both. If you really have a 200HP engine you'll have to have a
high
> performance endorsement anyway.
>
> Godspeed,
>
> Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
> RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Fuselage
> http://www.myrv7.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Bilinski" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> To: <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>; <rv-list@matronics.com>;
> <SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RV-List: CS prop how to user guide?
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
> >
> > I have never flown behind a CS prop. I am looking for some sort of
generic
> > user guide which would contain when to do what, and what are good
settings
> > etc. I know I am making this more complicated than necessary but its the
> > only part of the plane I have questions on.
> >
> > Another question how do I know I am at 75% power when my IO-360 180 HP
> > really has 200hp?
> >
> >
> > Scott Bilinski
> > Eng dept 305
> > Phone (858) 657-2536
> > Pager (858) 502-5190
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: re: LED swivel map/night lights ( Help ) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Terry Burks <tburks2@knology.net>
On Thu, 08 May 2003 12:51:51 -0600
Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
> You can get the high-brightness LED (I like red) at:
> Http://www.allelectronics.com
>
Also, take a look at http://www.superbrightleds.com/led_prods.htm . They
have prepackaged led's with lamp bases for 12v applications.
Terry Burks
RV-8QB wings
C-140 N90154
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| Subject: | Re: CS prop how to user guide? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
I well nit your pick, you do not need complex for CS unless if you
also have retracts and flaps.
Jerry
do not archive
Dan Checkoway wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> You only need the high perf endorsement if it's *over* 200hp (at least last
> time I checked). And it's a complex endorsement that you need for the C/S
> prop.
>
> Sorry to pick nits... 8-)
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: CS prop how to user guide?
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
>>
>>I learned what little I know about CS prop operations while getting a high
>>performance endorsement. Well actually it was a tailwheel endorsement but
>>the plane (Maule M5) had a 235HP engine (Insert Tim Taylor grunt here) so
>
> he
>
>>gave me both. If you really have a 200HP engine you'll have to have a
>
> high
>
>>performance endorsement anyway.
>>
>>Godspeed,
>>
>>Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
>>RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Fuselage
>>http://www.myrv7.com
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Scott Bilinski" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>>To: <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>; <rv-list@matronics.com>;
>><SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com>
>>Subject: RV-List: CS prop how to user guide?
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
>>
>><bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>>
>>>I have never flown behind a CS prop. I am looking for some sort of
>>
> generic
>
>>>user guide which would contain when to do what, and what are good
>>
> settings
>
>>>etc. I know I am making this more complicated than necessary but its the
>>>only part of the plane I have questions on.
>>>
>>>Another question how do I know I am at 75% power when my IO-360 180 HP
>>>really has 200hp?
>>>
>>>
>>>Scott Bilinski
>>>Eng dept 305
>>>Phone (858) 657-2536
>>>Pager (858) 502-5190
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight N46FC |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Cash,
CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!!
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: JusCash@aol.com
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: First Flight N46FC
>Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:14:48 EDT
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: JusCash@aol.com
>
>I am proud to report that RV6 N46FC had it's first flight on Wednesday, May
>7, 2003. >
>Keep On Pounding Them Rivets
>
>Cash Copeland
>RV6 N46FC
>Hanger L 1
>Hayward, Ca
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ramp Fleas now "The Shirt" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
Sounds like there is some money to be made if someone can make up the
shirts, I will buy two!!! Glenn in Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Ramp Fleas now "The Shirt"
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
>
> I saw the "Friends don't let friends fly plastic airplanes" shirt several
> years ago at SNF, I have been wanting one since. Could someone PLEASE
take
> a picture of one they have and jpg it too me? I have a client who can
> reproduce it or is just a plain print font.
>
> Steve Eberhart knows exactly where I REALLY, REALLY want one of these!!
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider/fuselage
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | CS prop how to user guide? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
> Got the MP gage but how can you get a table for a engine that
> has 20 more HP the what it came from the factory with? If it
> was not for that a table is fairly easy to get.
One way to estimate percent power is to carefully lean to peak, and look
at fuel burn. This assumes some things, but is reasonably close. Your
fuel burn should be something around .45 pounds/hour/horsepower. So, a
200 hp engine running at 75% would be 150 hp. That works out to be
about 150*.45=68 pounds fuel, or about 11 gal/hr. I probably have the
.45 a little off, but it obviously depends on many factors.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 296 hours
www.rvforum.org MAY 31st!!! Don't be the only one not there!!!
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Clayton Henderson" <gsuit@eonet.net>
Yeah, I'd buy a couple...
Clayton Henderson
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight N46FC |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 5/8/2003 1:16:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, JusCash@aol.com
writes:
> I am proud to report that RV6 N46FC had it's first flight on Wednesday, May
> 7, 2003.
Way to go, Cash!!!!! Come on over and show it to us this weekend. Do not
archive.
Your friends at LVK.
-GV (RV-6A N1GV 600hrs)
"The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have
seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the
church."
-Ferdinand Magellan
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| Subject: | jABIRU 8 CYLINDER ENGINE. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "MICK MULLER" <MULLERPHARM@bigpond.com>
jabiru Australia have released their new 8 cylinder 5.1 litre (ok liter for our
American brethren) for production`.
They are currently in the process of building a firewall forward package for RV,
specifically using the RV6, but
suggesting that the package will cater for the RV7, 8 and 9. Not being an expert
in engines, I presume it will be longer
than say a lycoming9because of extra cylinders). What affect might this longer
nose have on performance - ie. weight and balance and the attitude in straight
and level flight.
Thanks,
Mick Muller (RV9a builder in Oz)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
You have them converted on-site, during the show? Cool. How much?
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
2003 - The year of flight!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dwight Frye
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:01 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: DC ENR Headsets
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
>
> I can second the recommendation for the Headsets Inc
> conversion. I had my old H10-20 converted at Sun-N-Fun this
> year and am really quite pleased with the results.
>
> -- Dwight
> RV-7 / wings / QB fuse on order
>
> do not archive
>
> On Wed May 7 22:40:55 2003, Rick Rathbun wrote :
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Rathbun" <meanuncle@attbi.com>
> >
> >Another possibility if you like your current headset is a
> conversion.
> >I did mine with a Headstets Inc. kit, was pleased with the
> results and
> >it wasn't that hard to do.
> >
> >Rick Rathbun
> >RV8 forever build
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
> >To: "RV List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RV-List: DC ENR Headsets
> >
> >
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler"
> >> --> <dougweil@pressenter.com>
> >>
> >> Fellow Listers:
> >>
> >> Does anyone out there have any experience with David Clarks ENC
> >> headsets.
> >I
> >> am considering upgrading from my H10-60s and would like an opinion.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Doug Weiler
> >> Hudson, WI
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| Subject: | re: LED swivel map/night lights ( Help ) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
I need the same. Let us know if you find a source.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
2003 - The year of flight!
Do not archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of P M Condon
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:25 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: re: LED swivel map/night lights ( Help )
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: P M Condon <pcondon@mitre.org>
>
> Vans and ACS sold a small LED swivel map light in the past(
> cost about 46$ ). Its the one about the size of a AAA battery
> and pivots and swivels and has four LEDs(not the round
> eyeball, three hole, quarter sized one) Neither Vans or ACS
> has these now. I need two of these map lights...anyone have
> these in there parts bin or know where I can get them??? Or,
> any leads on a LED map light that looks like it belongs in a
> airplane ???
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| Subject: | Re: CS prop how to user guide? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Doh, that's right! I don't know why I always lump RVs into the same
category as retracts...hm...maybe because they're as fast without needing to
retract. 8
)
do not archive
)_( Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: CS prop how to user guide?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
> I well nit your pick, you do not need complex for CS unless if you
> also have retracts and flaps.
>
> Jerry
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: jABIRU 8 CYLINDER ENGINE. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
MICK MULLER wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "MICK MULLER" <MULLERPHARM@bigpond.com>
>
> jabiru Australia have released their new 8 cylinder 5.1 litre (ok liter
> for our American brethren) for production`. They are currently in the
> process of building a firewall forward package for RV, specifically using
> the RV6, but suggesting that the package will cater for the RV7, 8 and 9.
> Not being an expert in engines, I presume it will be longer than say a
> lycoming9because of extra cylinders).
I recall information on the Jabiru website saying that the engine was
extremely close in dimensions to the O-360 series. There are 8 cylinders
instead of 4, but they are smaller cylinders to start with.
Currently the Jabiru engine is running neck-and-neck with a used Lycoming
for my engine choice. In a couple of years when I have to make the
decision, i'm hoping there'll be a few Jabiru's flying that will be able to
provide some useful performance/reliability data...
-RB4
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Rob Prior
rv7 "at" b4.ca
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Stop dreaming... Start flying
perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
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| Subject: | Re: CS prop how to user guide? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 5/8/2003 3:55:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com writes:
> Got the MP gage but how can you get a table for an engine that has 20 more
> HP the what it came from the factory with? If it was not for that a table
> is fairly easy to get.
This rough guide is good enough. For your 200hp FI engine at full power you
should be seeing right around 17gph on the fuel flow. For 75% cruise and
below leaned to peak EGT a BSFC of 0.42lb/hp/hr is pretty much the limit, so
you may see slightly higher fuel flow numbers than listed for these power
settings. If you are seeing lower gph, then your engine doesn't make 200hp.
MP inHg + (rpm/100) =48 75%pwr 10.5gph
MP inHg + (rpm/100) =46.5 70%pwr 9.8gph
MP inHg + (rpm/100) =45 65%pwr 9.1gph
MP inHg + (rpm/100) =43.5 60%pwr 8.4gph
MP inHg + (rpm/100) =42 55%pwr 7.7gph
-GV (RV-6A N1GV 600hrs)
"The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have
seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the
church."
-Ferdinand Magellan
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| Subject: | Mount for ControlVision |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <spudnut@worldnet.att.net>
I'm looking for a source for some mounts for the AnywhereMap display. I'm
not sure what style I want so I'm looking for someplace that has a variety
of mounts to consider.
Albert Gardner
RV-9A 872RV
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Ramp Fleas now "The Shirt" |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Funny. You could just buy a Van's T shirt.
I bought one of Van's T shirts, and it came with "Friends don't let Friends
fly plastic airplanes" on the back.
Jim Ayers
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Ramp Fleas now "The Shirt" |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Jim,
When did you buy it? I tried to buy that shirt a few years ago, when it
was still on their (old) website, and was told that they didn't have
them anymore. And they are not on their website now. If anyone out
there makes them, I'll take a couple.
Jeff Point
do not archive
LeastDrag93066@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
>
>Funny. You could just buy a Van's T shirt.
>I bought one of Van's T shirts, and it came with "Friends don't let Friends
>fly plastic airplanes" on the back.
>
>Jim Ayers
>Do Not Archive
>
>
>
>
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