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1. 12:09 AM - Re: shut down detonation (Jim Jewell)
2. 01:12 AM - Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya (John Starn)
3. 04:46 AM - Re: Ramp Fleas now "The Shirt" (Wayne R. Couture)
4. 05:39 AM - Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya (DWENSING@aol.com)
5. 08:02 AM - Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya (Chris W)
6. 08:03 AM - Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya (kempthornes)
7. 08:23 AM - Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya (kempthornes)
8. 08:27 AM - Re: Airport Camping (kempthornes)
9. 08:39 AM - Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya (Jim Norman)
10. 08:41 AM - Re: shut down detonation (Jaye and Scott Jackson)
11. 09:08 AM - Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya (Dr. Leathers)
12. 09:13 AM - Hoover Harness (BBreckenridge@att.net)
13. 09:40 AM - Re: Hoover Harness (Brian Denk)
14. 09:49 AM - Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya (Chris W)
15. 09:55 AM - Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya (Konrad Werner)
16. 10:44 AM - Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya (KostaLewis)
17. 10:50 AM - Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya (Jerry Springer)
18. 10:52 AM - Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya (Jeff Point)
19. 10:54 AM - Question About Building Airplanes (was "The Shirt") (Terence Gannon)
20. 11:18 AM - Re: Aerobatic Gross weight (Kevin Horton)
21. 11:34 AM - Re: Question About Building Airplanes (was "The Shirt") (Mark Phillips)
22. 11:40 AM - Re: Question About Building Airplanes (was "The Shirt") (Jerry Calvert)
23. 11:42 AM - Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya (alexoas)
24. 11:49 AM - Re: CS prop how to user guide? (Kevin Horton)
25. 12:09 PM - Re: CS prop how to user guide? (Kevin Horton)
26. 12:10 PM - firewall sealant (Jim Jewell)
27. 12:12 PM - Hoover Harness (BBreckenridge@att.net)
28. 02:36 PM - Re: Aerobatic Gross weight (Boyd C. Braem)
29. 03:31 PM - Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya (Chris W)
30. 06:02 PM - Re: Paint (lm4@juno.com)
31. 06:58 PM - Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya (Vanremog@aol.com)
32. 07:13 PM - Bendix throttle body/fuel line to fuel injector (Rv6238@aol.com)
33. 07:24 PM - Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya (Dan Brown)
34. 07:35 PM - "The Shirt" Why it disappeared. (Rob W M Shipley)
35. 08:24 PM - Re: Bendix throttle body/fuel line to fuel injector (Ed Perry)
36. 09:23 PM - Interesting item on eBay web site item#2414337365: NEW! M1 Northstar Loran Antenna Coupling Unit (kempthornes@earthlink.net)
37. 09:28 PM - Stupid Tee shirt Crap (Jim Jewell)
38. 09:40 PM - Re: Stupid Tee shirt Crap (Jerry Springer)
39. 10:49 PM - N699WP Wilken Photo (WPAerial@aol.com)
40. 11:12 PM - Re: N699WP Wilken Photo (Jerry Springer)
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| Subject: | Re: shut down detonation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
This might be a dumb question;
Is there a remote possibility that you could have an intermittent connection
on one mag?
So far I have little experience with mags.
Jim in Kelowna
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From: <WPAerial@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: shut down detonation scott
> --> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
>
> Yes, the power has all been shut down, and the first time it did this I
had
> only flown 12 miles.
>
> Jerry Wilken
> RV6A 103 on rebuilt o-320 from Bart at power sports in B.C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Dang. I also have an outlet for t-shirts of a custom nature. I'm sure glad
that I didn't follow my instinct and have some shirts made up. I don't think
I could get all the legal paperwork completed and approved by all parties
involved (that includes ALL the buildings, property etc in the background)
for the limited manufacture of a few t-shirts. Ya'll have to sell a s###
load of shirts to make up the $260,000.00 plus the cost of the shirts.
By the way EAA Chapter #768 has t-shirts for sale for $10.00 plus shipping.
The shirt has designs that I made up, drew with my own hands (with the
limited help of my computer) and had the "Apple Valley Air Corps" shirts
made. They will be available at the Apple Valley 2003 AirFair on Sunday June
8th so you save shipping costs.
A side note: A coupla years ago I asked John Harmon if I could use the
likeness of his HR II #1 on a t-shirt, he not only said yes he sent me
photos that I could use. No questions, no kick backs, and the total $$$
costs NONE, NADA, ZIP. Maybe there is a difference when you deal with Rocket
people. Do Not Archive. KABONG (GBA)
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From: "Paul Stratman" <pauls@kc.rr.com>
Subject: RV-List: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Stratman" <pauls@kc.rr.com>
>
> Hey Gang,
>
> The reason "Friends don't let friends fly Plastic Airplanes" shirt site
> disappeared for a time is a disappointing story to tell.
> Well, that photo represented 4 peoples hard work and dedication to a
> fantastic hobby. A total of about 13 years of build time. roughly
> $260,000.00 in capital investment, not to mention the gas to fly for the
> photo op.
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| Subject: | Re: Ramp Fleas now "The Shirt" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
I'll be at the Fly-In also. Flying in with a friend in his Commanchee 260.
Anyone else goin'?
Wayne
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Norman" <jgnorman@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Ramp Fleas now "The Shirt"
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Norman" <jgnorman@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> I'd love to have a "Ramp Flea" shirt or two.
>
> If you make it, they will come!
>
> jim
> tampa
> Going to SouthWest Regional EAA fly-in next week with my 11 year old
> daughter! TOO COOL!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya |
--> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
In a message dated 5/10/03 4:13:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jhstarn@earthlink.net writes:
> A side note: A couple years ago I asked John Harmon if I could use the
> likeness of his HR II #1 on a T-shirt, he not only said yes he sent me
> photos that I could use. No questions, no kick backs, and the total $$$
> costs NONE, NADA, ZIP. Maybe there is a difference when you deal with
> Rocket
> people.
Maybe the difference is that you asked John before using the
likeness.......and not Rocket people.
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| Subject: | Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
I can't believe you people are reacting like this. Anyone who is even
remotely observant knows that it is illegal to sale someone else's
intellectual property with out their permission. All legal concerns aside,
it's only common curtsy to ask. Is that so hard to do? Give me a break!
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
chrisw@programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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| Subject: | Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
I know Mitch Faatz and he is not at all an evil guy. Paul, you might check
around a bit before suggesting that one of us is other than "genuine,
honest likeable folks".
hal
At 05:43 PM 5/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Stratman" <pauls@kc.rr.com>
>
>Hey Gang,
>
>The reason "Friends don't let friends fly Plastic Airplanes" shirt site
>disappeared for a time is a disappointing story to tell.
>
>I can honestly say that every single person I have met that is either
>building or flying an RV are genuine, honest likeable folks.
>That is until today. On a trip to Key West this year, 4 of us RV guys were
>able to take a spectacular formation photo. I turns out the shot was so
>good, it won Avweb's photo of the week.
>
>Last night a guy by the name of Mitchell Faatz of CA, (mitch@netscape.com)
>building a 6A decided that with this photo, he could make a buck or 2. So he
>opened a site on cafepress.com.
>
>Well, I don't mind at all sharing our travel experiences with others. But I
>do mind other folks trying to make a buck off someone else's back.
>So this morning after finding out about the tee-shirt site with my photo on
>the back, I had it shut down due to copyright violations and just plain
>irresponsible actions on the part of Mr. Faatz.
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| Subject: | Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 08:38 AM 5/10/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
>
>
>Maybe the difference is that you asked John before using the
>likeness.......and not Rocket people.
I'm not taking sides here, I'm just curious as an occasional observer of
human nature.
Several have suggested that they are glad to have their pix used but miffed
that they weren't asked. Why?
I can understand if it is the money. Getting to $260,000 is tough. If I
had a picture worth that I would certainly want to be compensated but these
folks said they would have gladly allowed the use for free so this isn't it.
Are we put out that someone didn't come to us, hat in hand, so to
speak? Is it a loss of power feeling? What?
If anyone wants to use a picture of my RV6a they have my express permission
unless that image has a big C on it.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Airport Camping |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 10:04 AM 5/9/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
>
>Anyone have any suggestions as to where a guy could camp with his plane in
>Nebraska or Iowa? I'm a cheapskate and I like sleeping with my plane.
>Thanks! Scott VanA.
Ainsworth.
I stopped there one night and a *REALLY* big TSTM was brewing. The manager
let me and one other pilot sleep in the office-terminal building.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Norman" <jgnorman@tampabay.rr.com>
I've got a free tank of gas to anybody who can prove that the party doing
the complaining "bitching" has the intellectual rights to that photo.
This is a bunch of crap. Lets not let legal issues get confused with getting
our delecate feelings hurt for the wrong reasons.
Those of you who know me know I stay on the sidelines of ALL of these little
tit-tat arguments... BUT this time I'm in the fray because we RV guys are
family, and we treat eachother like family.
Relax, everybody...no laws broken here... I know Internet intellectual
property law pretty good... deal with it every day. Its simply not that big
of a deal.
jim
Tampa
6A
DO NOT ARCHIVE.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris W
Subject: Re: RV-List: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
I can't believe you people are reacting like this. Anyone who is even
remotely observant knows that it is illegal to sale someone else's
intellectual property with out their permission. All legal concerns aside,
it's only common curtsy to ask. Is that so hard to do? Give me a break!
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
chrisw@programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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| Subject: | Re: shut down detonation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jaye and Scott Jackson <jayeandscott@shaw.ca>
This possibility shouldn't make any difference; aircraft engines(be they
piston or turbine) are shut down the same way diesels are-by shutting off
the fuel and letting the engine continue to run until it has used up all the
fuel in the delivery system between the shutoff point( the mixture control
in a gas engine or the High-Pressure fuel valve in a turbine) and the
cylinders. Only after it has completely stopped should the ignition system
be turned off.
Jerry's posts don't actually indicate whether or not he's using this method.
From all I've been taught and have read, I leave the mixture leaned
during the taxi-in after landing. When ready to shut down, a live-mag check
is performed at idle rpm, then the rpm is increased to 12-1400 for 20
seconds with the mixture aggressively leaned to burn off the lead salts
from the spark plug tips. Once the burnoff procedure is complete, I
immediately reduce the rpm to 1000 and pull the mixture to idle cut-off.
Only after the engine has completely stopped does the electronic ignition
and the magneto get turned off.
Pulling the rpm further back to idle before shutting the engine down( in
order to observe any rpm rise which indicates correct idle mixture) just
returns the engine to a condition of running with the plug-tip temperature
too low to avoid lead-salt deposits. This negates the burnoff procedure.
I don't feel that shutting down the engine at 1000rpm does it any harm;
perhaps the case could be made that, when the charge in the cylinders stops
burning, making the engine stop running, it doesn't mean that the fuel is
all used up, maybe the engine is still sucking in a fuel/air mixture but
it's too lean to support combustion. By initiating this event at a higher
rpm, more of this increasingly -lean mixture is drawn through the engine as
it stops and it should end up stopped with a even less flammable mixture
sitting in the cylinders.
A bonus to this method is that, for the next start-up, the throttle is
already at exactly the correct setting for the optimum warm-up rpm- no blast
of high rpm with no oil pressure or difficult starting with the throttle too
closed.
BTW, I talked to Bart Lalonde who overhauled my engine about setting the
idle mixture as I couldn't get any rise at idle rpm and idle cut-off. He
explained that the Van's filtered airbox creates an airflow anomaly through
the carburettor that will mask this rise; and advised just to set it as
lean as will allow a smooth idle and forget about it. He also predicted that
this characteristic of the airbox would create a rough-running engine around
16-2000 rpm. He was right.
This phenomena probably won't happen with fuel-injected engines.
Scott in Vancouver
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: shut down detonation
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>
> This might be a dumb question;
> Is there a remote possibility that you could have an intermittent
connection
> on one mag?
> So far I have little experience with mags.
>
> Jim in Kelowna
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <WPAerial@aol.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: shut down detonation scott
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
> >
> > Yes, the power has all been shut down, and the first time it did this
I
> had
> > only flown 12 miles.
> >
> > Jerry Wilken
> > RV6A 103 on rebuilt o-320 from Bart at power sports in B.C.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Hey Guys,
I am just going to come clean here and confess that I have hundreds of
pictures of your RVs and Rockets covering the walls of my workshop. Most of
them I took myself at air shows and fly-ins, and some I got from the
internet and your websites. I'm not planning to sell or profit from any of
them, but they bring me immense pleasure and inspiration when I'm working,
and I love sharing them with my friends when they visit my shop.
Just thought you ought to know ;-)
DOC
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris W" <chrisw3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
>
> I can't believe you people are reacting like this. Anyone who is even
> remotely observant knows that it is illegal to sale someone else's
> intellectual property with out their permission. All legal concerns
aside,
> it's only common curtsy to ask. Is that so hard to do? Give me a break!
>
>
> --
> Chris Woodhouse
> 3147 SW 127th St.
> Oklahoma City, OK 73170
> 405-691-5206
> chrisw@programmer.net
> N35 20.492'
> W97 34.342'
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty
> to obtain a little temporary safety
> deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: BBreckenridge@att.net
Anyone know the supplier of the "Hoover's Harness"? I saw a set of these shoulder
straps in an RV-4 (I believe) at a fly-in at Scappoose OR this week.
Thanks!
Bruce Breckenridge
Clackamas, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Hoover Harness |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: BBreckenridge@att.net
>
>Anyone know the supplier of the "Hoover's Harness"? I saw a set of these
>shoulder
>straps in an RV-4 (I believe) at a fly-in at Scappoose OR this week.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Bruce Breckenridge
>Clackamas, OR
>
>
That would be HOOKER harness. Go to http://www.hookerharness.com/
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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| Subject: | Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
Why do people keep missing the point of my posts? My point was this. The
polite thing to do would be to ask first. It's not like it is a huge burden to
ask, is it. (that was a rhetorical question BTW) Also hanging someone else's
picture up on your wall is such an unbelievably different scenario than selling
someone else's picture, I can't believe it was even brought it up.
Chris W
do not archive
p.s. sorry for forgetting the do not archive on my last message.
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| Subject: | Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
DOC,
You are GUILTY by your own admission !!! WHAT WERE YOU THINKING ??? (Just
kidding)
P.S. Mitch made somewhat of a judgment error, then aPAULogized and promised
NOT to use this "?Quarter?Million?Dollar?Picture?"
DONE DEAL
END OF STORY
DO NOT ARCHIVE
LETS *M*O*V*E* ON
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
>
> Hey Guys,
> I am just going to come clean here and confess that I have hundreds of
> pictures of your RVs and Rockets covering the walls of my workshop. Most
of
> them I took myself at air shows and fly-ins, and some I got from the
> internet and your websites. I'm not planning to sell or profit from any of
> them, but they bring me immense pleasure and inspiration when I'm working,
> and I love sharing them with my friends when they visit my shop.
>
> Just thought you ought to know ;-)
>
> DOC
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya |
--> RV-List message posted by: "KostaLewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
Anyone out there have a question 'bout building airplanes?
Michael
Sheese........
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
You miss the point Chris as usual, was there a copyright attached to the
picture, I didn't see one, it was posted in a public domain without any
expressed copyright so it becomes public property.
There was not going to be a profit made from selling T-shirts I can't
believe anybody complained about it. Frankly I think the formation
was great but the picture is terrible. I really could not believe it was
used by Avweb.
I checked once again and could not find any copyrights anywhere. Maybe
no one is missing the point of your posts Chris maybe they just don't
agree with you.
Jerry(I know move on)Springer
do not archive
Chris W wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
>
> Why do people keep missing the point of my posts? My point was this. The
> polite thing to do would be to ask first. It's not like it is a huge burden
to
> ask, is it. (that was a rhetorical question BTW) Also hanging someone else's
> picture up on your wall is such an unbelievably different scenario than selling
> someone else's picture, I can't believe it was even brought it up.
>
> Chris W
>
> do not archive
>
> p.s. sorry for forgetting the do not archive on my last message.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Yeah, I have one: should the primer I use on my tailwheel be the same
primer I use on my tip-up canopy?
(that'll distract 'em for a while!)
Jeff Point
do not archive
KostaLewis wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "KostaLewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
>
>
>Anyone out there have a question 'bout building airplanes?
>
>Michael
>
>Sheese........
>Do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Question About Building Airplanes (was "The Shirt") |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terence Gannon" <terence.gannon@telus.net>
Sure, I'll bite...anybody have any thoughts as to the use of Proseal or
RTV when riveting the firewall?? They recommended sealing around the
corners, but I figured that noxious gases ;-) could find their way
through the riveting as well. Probably a minor thing, but just
interested to hear other's opinions. Glad to help put things back on
track (again)...cheers...
Terry in Calgary
RV-6 S/N 24414
"Wings, Firewall"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KostaLewis
Subject: RE: RV-List: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya
--> RV-List message posted by: "KostaLewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
Anyone out there have a question 'bout building airplanes?
Michael
Sheese........
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatic Gross weight |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
The cowls that Van sells now (and for at least the last several
years) are designed to take the C2YX hub, where X could be either K,
L or R, depending on the crank it mounts to. My Hartzell manual says
that the C indicates the standard hub. The extended hubs have a
different code. It is interesting to note the that neither the prop
manual, nor the FAA Type Certificate Data Sheet mention any g limits
for any of this family of props. Where does Hartzell publish these
"limits"?
Kevin Horton
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
>Doug--
>
>The only disclaimer, here, would be if you had the "cruise"-type
>Hartzell CS prop that Vans sells with the 4" prop extension (the
>standard cowl is made to fit this prop/extension). Hartzell would
>really, really like you to limit your aerobatic flapping about to 4 g
>with this extension. Given that the gross aerobatic weight is based on
>6g, you can increase the weight proportionately if you strictly keep to
>the 4g limit.
>
>N13eer@aol.com wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
>>
>>Does the -8 have an aerobatic gross weight like the -4?
>>
>>Tailwinds,
>>Doug Rozendaal
>>
>>Doug,
>>Yes, the RV-8 does have a listed Aerobatic gross weight of either
>>1550lb or 1600lb depending on which wings you have. The later
>>match hole pre-punched wing is the 1600lb and is the dame as the
>>wing used on the RV-7. The gross weight on the RV-8 is listed at
>>1800lb. I think the big difference between the RV-4 and the RV-8
>>is with a light RV-8 you can do aerobatics with a passenger. In my
>>case at 1031 empty I can fly aerobatic with 1/2 fuel and a 200lb
>>passenger and still be below Van's published numbers.
>>
>>Alan Kritzman
>>Cedar Rapids, IA
>>
>>
> >
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Question About Building Airplanes (was "The Shirt") |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
Nah, you'll just make a big mess- (I take it you didn't get yer fill of
proseal with the tanks!) Besides, if you're worried that any gasses could
leak around your rivet holes, ya might wanna go back to them wings & smack all
them rivets a tad tighter! 8-)
Nibbling back at The PossumWorks
Mark - do not archive -
Terence Gannon wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Terence Gannon" <terence.gannon@telus.net>
>
> Sure, I'll bite...anybody have any thoughts as to the use of Proseal or
> RTV when riveting the firewall?? They recommended sealing around the
> corners, but I figured that noxious gases ;-) could find their way
> through the riveting as well. Probably a minor thing, but just
> interested to hear other's opinions. Glad to help put things back on
> track (again)...cheers...
>
> Terry in Calgary
> RV-6 S/N 24414
> "Wings, Firewall"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KostaLewis
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "KostaLewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
>
> Anyone out there have a question 'bout building airplanes?
>
> Michael
>
> Sheese........
> Do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question About Building Airplanes (was "The Shirt") |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
Terry,
I used proseal to seal the firewall. George O suggests it in his videos.
Jerry Calvert
Edmond Ok...oopps here comes another tornado..
N296JC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terence Gannon" <terence.gannon@telus.net>
Subject: RV-List: Question About Building Airplanes (was "The Shirt")
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Terence Gannon" <terence.gannon@telus.net>
>
> Sure, I'll bite...anybody have any thoughts as to the use of Proseal or
> RTV when riveting the firewall?? They recommended sealing around the
> corners, but I figured that noxious gases ;-) could find their way
> through the riveting as well. Probably a minor thing, but just
> interested to hear other's opinions. Glad to help put things back on
> track (again)...cheers...
>
> Terry in Calgary
> RV-6 S/N 24414
> "Wings, Firewall"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KostaLewis
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "KostaLewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
>
>
> Anyone out there have a question 'bout building airplanes?
>
> Michael
>
> Sheese........
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya |
--> RV-List message posted by: "alexoas" <alexoas21@hotmail.com>
Polite - Prudent - Legal.
The internet is an international forum with many different and varied
customs as to what is polite.
Also the majority of postings are done without copyright or legal
protection and are thus part of the category referred to as "in the public
domain". Freeware, shareware and posting in the public domain is what makes
the internet the wonderful medium of exchange and education that it is.
When we use, post and interact on the world wide web (www), we do so with
the understanding that literally billions of individuals from every country
in this world have access to what we post, be it text, photographs or
webpages.
If we need and chose to protect our posting, then it is our responsibility
to make it clear that we are not offering our postings as, in the public
domain. We cannot assume that others know our intentions so if we do not
want it offered as "free for use by anyone", we must state so formally "
" thus making it clear that a copyright exists and who actually owns the
copyright of the photograph. After all polite is as polite does.
Prudence, when followed would guide us to not share information and
photographs with the public if we do not want it to be publicly viewed and
used. That is why there are formal laws and regulations that allow us to
copyright those posting that we intend to be viewed and used in very
specific ways.
The main reason for copyright is to protect present and future financial
value and authorship. However just like with all good ideas and creations
until and unless they are formally copyrighted or patented, there is room
for uncertainty as to who is the true author and present owner of the idea
or creation if they have been openly posted on the internet.
When posting into a public site without stating a clear continuation of
authorship and ownership, we have created reasonable doubt as to exclusive
copyright over the postings, be they text or photographs.
Lastly, because litigation's and disputes over authorship and copyright are
preventable by doing a legal search as to authorship and copyright, the law
and prudence recommends that anyone intending to use anything obtained from
the public domain do adequate search to insure that it is actually free and
clear of copyright.
Ask before you use, or use and weep! You may be legally in the right, but
the consequences are very costly to reconcile and prove!
As in most cases in life, had both parties chosen to talk to each other in
private and negotiate a reasonable and mutually acceptable resolution
everything would have been much simpler and less stressful.
But had that happened we would not have been able to enjoy this latest
of dramas.
Thanks again to the group for another interesting diversion and insight
into human nature and a lesson in international awareness.
Alex
alexoas21@hotmail.com
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris W" <chrisw3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
>
> Why do people keep missing the point of my posts? My point was this. The
> polite thing to do would be to ask first. It's not like it is a huge
burden to
> ask, is it. (that was a rhetorical question BTW) Also hanging someone
else's
> picture up on your wall is such an unbelievably different scenario than
selling
> someone else's picture, I can't believe it was even brought it up.
>
> Chris W
>
> do not archive
>
> p.s. sorry for forgetting the do not archive on my last message.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CS prop how to user guide? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
OK. None of these mods should change the basic shape of the power vs
rpm curve like a different cam would. This means the percent power
at any given conditions would be about the same as predicted by the
Lycoming power charts. So, I would just use the Lycoming power
charts and multiply the calculated power by 195/180 (if you figure
195 hp). Or, if you want, I could modify the spreadsheet on my web
site so you could enter your estimated max power, and have the
spreadsheet do all the dirty work.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>Superior Airparts Sump 5hp
>Dual Elect Ign 5hp
>9.2:1 pistons 5hp
>AFP Injection ? if anything.
>
>No Dyno at AeroSport Power. Ok Ill fess up, on paper were looking at 195 Im
>hoping for a little more.....Maybe if I think concentrate really hard I can
>boost it to 200.
>
>At 08:35 PM 5/8/03 -0400, you wrote:
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
>>><bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>>>
>>>I have never flown behind a CS prop. I am looking for some sort of generic
>>>user guide which would contain when to do what, and what are good settings
>>>etc. I know I am making this more complicated than necessary but its the
>>>only part of the plane I have questions on.
>>>
>>>Another question how do I know I am at 75% power when my IO-360 180 HP
>>>really has 200hp?
>>>
>>>Scott Bilinski
>>
>>Scott,
>>
>>What mods does the engine have?
>>
>>Was it dynoed, or is the 200 hp an educated guess? If it was dynoed,
>>can they give you any data on hp vs rpm? If it was dynoed, I assume
>>the 200 hp value is corrected to some sort of standard conditions -
>>can you confirm that they use sea level and 15 deg C (59 deg F)?
>>--
>>Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>>Ottawa, Canada
>>http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
>>
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: CS prop how to user guide? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 5/8/2003 3:55:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com writes:
>
>> Got the MP gage but how can you get a table for an engine that has 20 more
>> HP the what it came from the factory with? If it was not for that a table
>> is fairly easy to get.
>
>This rough guide is good enough. For your 200hp FI engine at full power you
>should be seeing right around 17gph on the fuel flow. For 75% cruise and
>below leaned to peak EGT a BSFC of 0.42lb/hp/hr is pretty much the limit, so
>you may see slightly higher fuel flow numbers than listed for these power
>settings. If you are seeing lower gph, then your engine doesn't make 200hp.
>
>MP inHg + (rpm/100) =48 75%pwr 10.5gph
>MP inHg + (rpm/100) =46.5 70%pwr 9.8gph
>MP inHg + (rpm/100) =45 65%pwr 9.1gph
>MP inHg + (rpm/100) =43.5 60%pwr 8.4gph
>MP inHg + (rpm/100) =42 55%pwr 7.7gph
>
A quick comparison against the Lycoming power chart will show that
this "rule of thumb" is pretty much worthless except at some very
specific rpms and altitudes.
For example, on the O-360-A, if I use "48", which should give me 75%
power, at standard temperature, depending on which altitude I use,
and which rpm, I can get rpm and MP combinations that would be
anywhere from 67% to 83% power. "42" (supposedly 55%) gives me from
40% to 65% power.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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| Subject: | firewall sealant |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hello Terry,
Proseal is one Brand name of a number of 'structural' sealants available to
us. It could be used during the assembly of the firewall and would add some
strength as well as offer some measure of added protection against the
migration of "noxious gases' into the cabin area.
Assuming the riveting procedure is done to spec. I doubt that any of the
'gases' you refer to will find there way past the rivets.
It would be best to use "proseal" etc. around the oil filter access hole
during it's assembly into the firewall.
Properly applied Proseal etc. utilized during assembly of the firewall could
provide the best seal against firewall forward gases during normal flight
conditions or against smoke and other nasties in the advent of that bad day
we all plan 'not' to have.{g-]!
I doubt that the extra time, effort and cost of using structural sealant
would really be justified in an effort to add only strength to firewall
assembly.
However using a sealant 'of choice' to seal around the outside edges during
fuselage firewall assembly stage would ensure a more airtight firewall fit.
Also the eventual migration of oil residue through the lower floor firewall
floor seam and into the forward cabin floor area would most likely be
stopped.
WARNING! if you are too successful at sealing the firewall ect. it might
take years for your airframe to take on that wonderfully mystical genuine
airplane smell.(;-)!
Jim in Kelowna
And across the bottom will ----- Original Message -----
From: "Terence Gannon" <terence.gannon@telus.net>
Subject: RV-List: Question About Building Airplanes (was "The Shirt")
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Terence Gannon" <terence.gannon@telus.net>
>
> Sure, I'll bite...anybody have any thoughts as to the use of Proseal or
> RTV when riveting the firewall?? They recommended sealing around the
> corners, but I figured that noxious gases ;-) could find their way
> through the riveting as well. Probably a minor thing, but just
> interested to hear other's opinions. Glad to help put things back on
> track (again)...cheers...
>
> Terry in Calgary
> RV-6 S/N 24414
> "Wings, Firewall"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KostaLewis
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "KostaLewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
>
>
> Anyone out there have a question 'bout building airplanes?
>
> Michael
>
> Sheese........
> Do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: BBreckenridge@att.net
Brian;
Thanks! My blunder. I'd never seen them before and I really liked the design.
I
should've looked harder at the name - the first thing I thought of was "Bob Hoover",
and
the name just stuck. Thanks for the website and correction.
Bruce
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatic Gross weight |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Hey, Kevin--
It is remotely possible that my info is a little dated. The Super 6 was
built 1996-1998. At the time (and, again, this is based on my
memory)--John Harmon was recommending the M2YR-1BF prop with the 4" prop
extension for the Harmon Rocket, on which much of the Super 6 was based.
Van's catalogue of that period says (pg. 11) "PROP M2YR: For use with
IO-360 engine. Extended hub, 74" diameter, 1/2" flange bolts. For use
with the Barnard Style cowl (not available from Van's Aircraft). This
prop is not approved for aerobatic flight and is limited to 3.8 g's."
Of course, my prop went on an IO-540 and had an 80" diameter. I called
Hartzell Tech Support and confirmed the 4 g limit because of the
extension and they said to be particulalry carefull with "gyroscopic
maneuvers"--so, I do not do spins faster than about 10,000 rpm (the -6
airframe does like to tighten up a little when the nose drops and you
get past 3 turns).
Kevin Horton wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>
>The cowls that Van sells now (and for at least the last several
>years) are designed to take the C2YX hub, where X could be either K,
>L or R, depending on the crank it mounts to. My Hartzell manual says
>that the C indicates the standard hub. The extended hubs have a
>different code. It is interesting to note the that neither the prop
>manual, nor the FAA Type Certificate Data Sheet mention any g limits
>for any of this family of props. Where does Hartzell publish these
>"limits"?
>
>Kevin Horton
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>>
>>Doug--
>>
>>The only disclaimer, here, would be if you had the "cruise"-type
>>Hartzell CS prop that Vans sells with the 4" prop extension (the
>>standard cowl is made to fit this prop/extension). Hartzell would
>>really, really like you to limit your aerobatic flapping about to 4 g
>>with this extension. Given that the gross aerobatic weight is based on
>>6g, you can increase the weight proportionately if you strictly keep to
>>the 4g limit.
>>
>>N13eer@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
>>>
>>>Does the -8 have an aerobatic gross weight like the -4?
>>>
>>>Tailwinds,
>>>Doug Rozendaal
>>>
>>>Doug,
>>>Yes, the RV-8 does have a listed Aerobatic gross weight of either
>>>1550lb or 1600lb depending on which wings you have. The later
>>>match hole pre-punched wing is the 1600lb and is the dame as the
>>>wing used on the RV-7. The gross weight on the RV-8 is listed at
>>>1800lb. I think the big difference between the RV-4 and the RV-8
>>>is with a light RV-8 you can do aerobatics with a passenger. In my
>>>case at 1031 empty I can fly aerobatic with 1/2 fuel and a 200lb
>>>passenger and still be below Van's published numbers.
>>>
>>>Alan Kritzman
>>>Cedar Rapids, IA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
alexoas wrote:
> Also the majority of postings are done without copyright or legal
> protection and are thus part of the category referred to as "in the public
> domain".
This simply is not true. It is however, like many myths, commonly believed.
See
http://www.ascd.org/readingroom/edlead/0112/simpson.html
for more details. If you want even more info, a few minutes on google will give
you more than you can read.
> The main reason for copyright is to protect present and future financial
> value and authorship. However just like with all good ideas and creations
> until and unless they are formally copyrighted or patented, there is room
> for uncertainty as to who is the true author and present owner of the idea
> or creation if they have been openly posted on the internet.
Patents and copyrights are two very different things.
> When posting into a public site without stating a clear continuation of
> authorship and ownership, we have created reasonable doubt as to exclusive
> copyright over the postings, be they text or photographs.
I disagree. Unless specifically stated you should assume anything you see on
the internet is "copyrighted until proven other wise"
However I totally agree with the rest of your post. Not that that really
matters, you can post anything you want, if I agree to it or not.
> Lastly, because litigation's and disputes over authorship and copyright are
> preventable by doing a legal search as to authorship and copyright, the law
> and prudence recommends that anyone intending to use anything obtained from
> the public domain do adequate search to insure that it is actually free and
> clear of copyright.
>
> Ask before you use, or use and weep! You may be legally in the right, but
> the consequences are very costly to reconcile and prove!
>
> As in most cases in life, had both parties chosen to talk to each other in
> private and negotiate a reasonable and mutually acceptable resolution
> everything would have been much simpler and less stressful.
>
> But had that happened we would not have been able to enjoy this latest
> of dramas.
>
> Thanks again to the group for another interesting diversion and insight
> into human nature and a lesson in international awareness.
>
> Alex
> alexoas21@hotmail.com
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris W" <chrisw3@cox.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
> >
> > Why do people keep missing the point of my posts? My point was this. The
> > polite thing to do would be to ask first. It's not like it is a huge
> burden to
> > ask, is it. (that was a rhetorical question BTW) Also hanging someone
> else's
> > picture up on your wall is such an unbelievably different scenario than
> selling
> > someone else's picture, I can't believe it was even brought it up.
> >
> > Chris W
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > p.s. sorry for forgetting the do not archive on my last message.
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--> RV-List message posted by: lm4@juno.com
For the answer to that you will have to contact:
Michael J. Liccone--Sales Rep. DuPont at
908-347-6345
Fax--908-789-2928
Voice mail--1-800-994-6245
ID-130-5260
Mike.j.liccone@USA.Dupont.Com
and ask him to send you one of his CD roms entitled:
DuPont Industrial coatings
Coating solutions that work
Sub-titled: Dupont, The miracles of Science
Coating solutions--Product information--Calculating Value--Customer
resources
Larry Mac Donald
Rochester N.Y.
On Sat, 10 May 2003 12:57:16 -0500 Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>
> Yeah, I have one: should the primer I use on my tailwheel be the
> same
> primer I use on my tip-up canopy?
> (that'll distract 'em for a while!)
> Jeff Point
> do not archive
KostaLewis wrote:
RV-List message posted by: "KostaLewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
Anyone out there have a question 'bout building airplanes?
Michael
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| Subject: | Re: "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 5/10/2003 9:09:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
DrLeathers@822heal.com writes:
> I am just going to come clean here and confess that I have hundreds of
> pictures of your RVs and Rockets covering the walls of my workshop. Most of
> them I took myself at air shows and fly-ins, and some I got from the
> internet and your websites.
Yeah, and I'm going to put some photos of my t*ts on the web and then whine
about it when someone sells a T-shirt with a picture of my right nipple (my
bad side) at OSH. ;o)
Do not archive.
-GV (RV-6A N1GV 600hrs)
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than
you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you
will understand why I dismiss yours." - - Stephen Roberts
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| Subject: | Bendix throttle body/fuel line to fuel injector |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rv6238@aol.com
Need a bit of advice. I have a IO320 with a Bendix injection system. How
should I route the fuel line between the throttle body and the fuel
distributor which is mounted on top of the engine? Any help from guys with
this setup is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Bill Griffin RV6
Baltimore, MD
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| Subject: | "The Shirt" Why it disappeared ? I'll tell ya |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Brown" <dan@familybrown.org>
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> From: alexoas
> Also the majority of postings are done without copyright or legal
> protection
This is simply false. In the United States, and any other country
which is a party to the Berne copyright convention, the copyright to
any copyrightable work is held by the creator as soon as the work is
created. See, e.g., 17 U.S.C. sec. 302 (a): "Copyright in a work
created on or after January 1, 1978, subsists FROM ITS CREATION and,
except as provided by the following subsections, endures for a term
consisting of the life of the author and 70 years after the author's
death" (emphasis added).
This message is copyrighted, and I own the copyright. I don't have
to register the copyright, or place any kind of notice on it, or
anything else; it's automatic. By posting it to the list, I'm
implicitly giving permission for it to be copied and sent out to the
list members, stored in the list archive (unless I include the magic
words), and other similar things. However, if you were to try to
make commercial use of it outside of that context, you could easily
find yourself at the other end of a copyright infringement lawsuit,
which you would lose.
Similarly, as soon as you take a picture, it's copyrighted. If you
post it on the web, you're implicitly giving permission for people to
view it, for Google to keep a copy in its cache, etc. You aren't
giving permission for Time to copy that picture and use it for its
next cover, nor are you giving permission for somebody to copy it and
use it on T-shirts he's trying to sell.
If you want to place something in the public domain, you must do so
explicitly. If you don't, you own the copyright.
Now, if you don't need to register or provide notice to have
copyright protection, why do so many people register anyway? In a
word, damages. If I register the copyright on my picture, and
provide a notice with it, I'm allowed much greater damages (up to
$250k per infringement, IIRC, where _each_copy_made_ is a separate
infringement) than if I hadn't registered it (in which case, I get
whatever damages I can show).
- --
Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org
"Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the
more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring."
-- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
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| Subject: | "The Shirt" Why it disappeared. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" <Rob@RobsGlass.com>
"Paul Stratman" wrote
"Hey Gang,
The reason "Friends don't let friends fly Plastic Airplanes" shirt site disappeared
for a time is a disappointing story to tell.
I can honestly say that every single person I have met that is either building
or flying an RV are genuine, honest likeable folks.
That is until today. On a trip to Key West this year, 4 of us RV guys were able
to take a spectacular formation photo. I turns out the shot was so good, it won
Avweb's photo of the week.
Last night a guy by the name of Mitchell Faatz of CA, (mitch@netscape.com) building
a 6A decided that with this photo, he could make a buck or 2. So he opened
a site on cafepress.com.
Well, I don't mind at all sharing our travel experiences with others. But I do
mind other folks trying to make a buck off someone else's back.
So this morning after finding out about the tee-shirt site with my photo on the
back, I had it shut down due to copyright violations and just plain irresponsible
actions on the part of Mr. Faatz. His response to this was "Somebody apparently
didn't like the image I was using". I mean really, great idea, but how
about a phone call with the offer of a couple of shirts for the use of a photo?
Some may say, what's the big deal. That photo didn't cost you a thing Paul ?"
My sympathies here are totally with Paul. The issue he hasn't touched on is that
of respect for others and their possessions. I am constantly pleased and surprised
by the kindness and generosity of the nice people I encounter on this
site and in the RV world in general and taking this picture without the good
manners to ask permission does a disservice to us all.
Rob
Rob W M Shipley
RV9A N919RV Fuselage - now a canoe!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Bendix throttle body/fuel line to fuel injector |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Perry" <eperry@san.rr.com>
I have seen it done 2 ways. The first way goes from the servo to the
inter-cylinder baffles and up to the flow divider. The second way is out the
back of the engine and up the accesories to the top and through the rear
baffle on the engine to the flow divider. The first way is the shortest but
gets close to the exhaust pipes and heat. The second way is longer and stays
mostly away from the hot stuff. I ran it the second way and don't know if it
was a good idea or bad just yet. Airworthiness inspection is Tuesday so I
will probably find out then.
Ed Perry
IO-360-B1E
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rv6238@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Bendix throttle body/fuel line to fuel injector
> --> RV-List message posted by: Rv6238@aol.com
>
> Need a bit of advice. I have a IO320 with a Bendix injection system. How
> should I route the fuel line between the throttle body and the fuel
> distributor which is mounted on top of the engine? Any help from guys with
> this setup is greatly appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Bill Griffin RV6
> Baltimore, MD
>
>
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| Subject: | Interesting item on eBay web site item#2414337365: NEW! M1 Northstar |
Loran Antenna Coupling Unit
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes@earthlink.net
Somebody needed one of these to go with his freeby Northstar M1 Loran - a great
machine by the way.
hal
Title of item: NEW! M1 Northstar Loran Antenna Coupling Unit
Seller: gsm456
Starts: May-06-03 08:05:35 PDT
Ends: May-13-03 08:05:35 PDT
Price: Currently $51.00
To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2414337365
Item Description:
Brand New Northstar M1 Loran Antenna and Coupling Unit. Never been installed.
mockair.com. As is. Buyer pays shipping.Fits Cessna, Beechcraft, piper.
Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com
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| Subject: | Stupid Tee shirt Crap |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
I don't know about anyone else on this list but I'm telling you:
I have had enough of the Tee Shirt BS!!
Take the squabling to your own respective email addresses PLEASE!!
GEEEEZ !! [ 8-{
And don't bother to give me that delete button whatever crap either!
"You can give people information but you cannot make them think!" Jim Jewell May/03
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Stupid Tee shirt Crap |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Oh come on Jim, just hit the delete button. ;-)
do not archive
Jim Jewell wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>
> I don't know about anyone else on this list but I'm telling you:
>
> I have had enough of the Tee Shirt BS!!
>
> Take the squabling to your own respective email addresses PLEASE!!
>
> GEEEEZ !! [ 8-{
>
> And don't bother to give me that delete button whatever crap either!
>
> "You can give people information but you cannot make them think!" Jim Jewell
May/03
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> do not archive
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| Subject: | N699WP Wilken Photo |
--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
The WP on my N # stands my business name Wilken Photographs, which I've had
for 25 years. I have a terrible time with people making copies of my photos.
this is how I pay for AV GAS. And all the other bills to live with. People
think they buy a wallet and they can copy it as many times as they want.
which is stealing!
But isn't this a list to talk about RV air-o-planes
Do not archive
Jerry Wilken
RV6A 104 hrs.
N699WP
Wilken Photographs
Albany Oregon
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Just curious are you the one that used to take RV pictures and
use them in the Swept Wing restaurant at the Albany airport?
Jerry
do not archive
WPAerial@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
>
> The WP on my N # stands my business name Wilken Photographs, which I've had
> for 25 years. I have a terrible time with people making copies of my photos.
> this is how I pay for AV GAS. And all the other bills to live with. People
> think they buy a wallet and they can copy it as many times as they want.
> which is stealing!
>
> But isn't this a list to talk about RV air-o-planes
>
> Do not archive
>
> Jerry Wilken
> RV6A 104 hrs.
> N699WP
> Wilken Photographs
> Albany Oregon
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