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1. 12:22 AM - Re: Humor - Delete Now--Gummo/Horton (Boyd C. Braem)
2. 01:19 AM - For Sale (JerryB)
3. 05:01 AM - Re: C/S prop spitting oil (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
4. 05:23 AM - Re: C/S prop spitting oil (Alex Peterson)
5. 06:04 AM - Re: C/S prop spitting oil (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
6. 06:07 AM - Re: This is easier than I thought. (Clayton Henderson)
7. 06:18 AM - Re: Dynon Update Report (Clayton Henderson)
8. 06:26 AM - White powder in fuel tank (Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com)
9. 06:52 AM - Re: C/S prop spitting oil (RV_8 Pilot)
10. 07:04 AM - low to high (Wheeler North)
11. 07:09 AM - Re: White powder in fuel tank (Larry Pardue)
12. 07:13 AM - Re: T&B or TC (Bill Dube)
13. 07:21 AM - Re: Looking for E-Mail Address (Craig Warner)
14. 07:43 AM - Re: max ROC (Randy Lervold)
15. 07:53 AM - Re: fuel float wire (Elsa & Henry)
16. 07:54 AM - Re: AeroElectric-List: Tach P-lead feed (Vincent Welch)
17. 08:15 AM - Re: White powder in fuel tank (Vanremog@aol.com)
18. 08:15 AM - Re: Super RV's (Canyon)
19. 08:16 AM - Re: Twelfth Annual Homewing RV Fly-In (Randy Lervold)
20. 08:19 AM - Re: T&B or TC (Larry Pardue)
21. 08:30 AM - C/s prop spitting oil (Stuart B McCurdy)
22. 09:34 AM - Re: T&B or TC (Dan Checkoway)
23. 10:01 AM - Re: T&B or TC (Bill Dube)
24. 10:40 AM - Re: Super RV's (Canyon)
25. 11:08 AM - anywheremap with dell axiem (Gene Larsen)
26. 11:32 AM - Re: anywheremap with dell axiem (Scott Vanartsdalen)
27. 11:43 AM - Re: Furnace Creek to Leadville (Ken)
28. 12:14 PM - Re: T&B or TC (Larry Pardue)
29. 12:47 PM - Re: anywheremap with dell axiem (Mark Phillips)
30. 01:13 PM - Re: Furnace Creek to Leadville (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
31. 02:49 PM - RV-4 for Sale (John Brick)
32. 04:02 PM - Re: anywheremap with dell axiem (Scott Vanartsdalen)
33. 04:15 PM - Re: T&B or TC (Bill Dube)
34. 04:21 PM - Re: Coffee & rivets - WAS: Furnace Creek to Leadville (kempthornes)
35. 04:27 PM - Re: Furnace Creek to Leadville (Kevin Horton)
36. 05:22 PM - Re: [nonspam] Re: T&B or TC (Larry Pardue)
37. 05:34 PM - Float wire (Rob W M Shipley)
38. 05:41 PM - Float wire. (Rob W M Shipley)
39. 05:46 PM - Yaesu handheld wiring (Rob W M Shipley)
40. 07:41 PM - Off Topic-RV-4, RV-6, RV-8 (Larry Pardue)
41. 08:03 PM - Epoxy on aluminum (thomas a. sargent)
42. 08:31 PM - Re: Epoxy on aluminum (Kyle Boatright)
43. 08:55 PM - Re: Off Topic-RV-4, RV-6, RV-8 (Wayne Reese)
44. 09:26 PM - FW: Off Topic-RV-4, RV-6, RV-8 (Wayne Reese)
45. 09:31 PM - Re: Epoxy on aluminum ()
46. 09:35 PM - Re: T&B or TC (Jeff Bertsch)
47. 09:58 PM - Re: Furnace Creek to Leadville (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
48. 10:04 PM - Re: Epoxy on aluminum (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
49. 10:06 PM - Re: Epoxy on aluminum (Vanremog@aol.com)
50. 10:20 PM - Re: Epoxy on aluminum (John Starn)
51. 10:35 PM - Is anyone using a Monroy ATD-200 Collision Avoidance system? (Don Mack)
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| Subject: | Re: Humor - Delete Now--Gummo/Horton |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Well, you know, Kevin (dam*, that comment gave me one of the best laughs
I've had in a while), that I never mean to make slight of Air Force
Pukes, I mean, Pilots (apologies to Keith Hughes)--but, that's why those
boys always kept those knee-length rubber boots in their airplanes--not
that they ever used 'em, most of 'em being Republicans, an' all an'
being budds with Rev Graham--but, why do you think that all the
newspaper guys were reporting on George Bush's "swagger" when he was on
the Lincoln? This is a joke, guys, just a joke.
But, seriously, ol' George flew the F-102 Delta Dart, in the Guard (even
if he didn't do his whole tour) and that airplane is(was) a bit of a
bitch--hat's off to you and a salute, CIC.
Kevin Horton wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
>>
>> After a couple minutes they started to leave when the
>>instructor said "From the look of the bug pattern on the plane, I think you
>>should fly higher."
>>
>>God, I love living here in the high desert of Southern Calif where one
>>minute after TO, I can fly as low as I can go without seeing another soul.
>>However, yesterday as I crested a small hill, I flew over a flock of sheep.
>>The slowest Rocket is fast enough to be gone before the sheep could even
>>react. Damn it was fun.
>>
>>Unsigned to protect the guilty.
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>
>
>Man it must have been scary back in the days when you were a fighter
>pilot and sheep were afraid :)
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: JerryB <JERRYB69@CHARTER.NET>
For Sale:
Flightcom 403 panel mount
intercom $100
ControlVision (including $500+ Casio Cassiopeia pocket PC,
Control Vision Software and Garmin 12 channel GPS) $500
All items sold "as is". Everything was working when upgrades were
installed in my RV6. Buyer pays postage and insurance. Certified
check or postal money order only.
I can be reached at 740 446 3355 in the evening after 8:00 PM EDT
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| Subject: | C/S prop spitting oil |
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--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Alex,
I had this happen to me on a long trip across the country. At first I
thought it was the grease fittings. Mine turned out to be loose bolts at the
hub root holding on the backplate. They need to be either double nutted or
Jam nutted. Mine from the factory had a lock washer and regular nut. ALL
were loose. ARGH!.
Check that. Oh and I assume that you are slinging grease and not oil. Do you
have little pools of grease in your spinner?
Mike Stewart
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Peterson [mailto:alexpeterson@usjet.net]
Subject: RV-List: C/S prop spitting oil
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
My apologies for asking an RV related question on the RV list (really -
if you are into t-shirts, etc., delete now).
My C/S prop (300 hours since new) has recently, but not consistently,
spit tiny oil droplets onto the passenger side windscreen. There is
evidence that this oil is coming from the root of one of the blades
(little streaks on the first 6 inches or so of blade). This happened
during the first 10 or 15 hours when the prop was new, and then went
away for a year and a half until at about 280 hours. Now, in about half
of the last 10 flights, there has been some mist on the right
windscreen. I would guess the entire amount of oil isn't even one drop
yet. I can imagine the seal at the blade root needs replacement, but can
anyone explain the sporadic nature of this? Air in the system? Flight
conditions are similar in each case, nothing unusual there.
Thanks,
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 297 hours
www.rvforum.org MAY 31st!!! Come one, come all!!!
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | C/S prop spitting oil |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
>
> Alex,
> I had this happen to me on a long trip across the country. At
> first I thought it was the grease fittings. Mine turned out
> to be loose bolts at the hub root holding on the backplate.
> They need to be either double nutted or Jam nutted. Mine from
> the factory had a lock washer and regular nut. ALL were
> loose. ARGH!. Check that. Oh and I assume that you are
> slinging grease and not oil. Do you have little pools of
> grease in your spinner?
>
>
> Mike Stewart
>
>
Mike and Tim,
It might very well be grease - that fits what I've observed better. The
fact it did it the first few hours and then went away told me (then)
that it was probably just grease migrating from outside the seals. The
current stuff has the same appearance on the windscreen as that initial
stuff did. I'll check the bolts next time I'm out there.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 297 hours
www.rvforum.org
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | C/S prop spitting oil |
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--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Oh and I forgot to add.
Mine came loose, or at least started spitting grease, at the 450hr mark.
Mike Stewart
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: mstewart@qa.butler.com [mailto:mstewart@qa.butler.com]
Subject: RE: RV-List: C/S prop spitting oil
--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Alex,
I had this happen to me on a long trip across the country. At first I
thought it was the grease fittings. Mine turned out to be loose bolts at the
hub root holding on the backplate. They need to be either double nutted or
Jam nutted. Mine from the factory had a lock washer and regular nut. ALL
were loose. ARGH!.
Check that. Oh and I assume that you are slinging grease and not oil. Do you
have little pools of grease in your spinner?
Mike Stewart
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Peterson [mailto:alexpeterson@usjet.net]
Subject: RV-List: C/S prop spitting oil
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
My apologies for asking an RV related question on the RV list (really -
if you are into t-shirts, etc., delete now).
My C/S prop (300 hours since new) has recently, but not consistently,
spit tiny oil droplets onto the passenger side windscreen. There is
evidence that this oil is coming from the root of one of the blades
(little streaks on the first 6 inches or so of blade). This happened
during the first 10 or 15 hours when the prop was new, and then went
away for a year and a half until at about 280 hours. Now, in about half
of the last 10 flights, there has been some mist on the right
windscreen. I would guess the entire amount of oil isn't even one drop
yet. I can imagine the seal at the blade root needs replacement, but can
anyone explain the sporadic nature of this? Air in the system? Flight
conditions are similar in each case, nothing unusual there.
Thanks,
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 297 hours
www.rvforum.org MAY 31st!!! Come one, come all!!!
www.usfamily.net/web/alexpeterson
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| Subject: | This is easier than I thought. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Clayton Henderson" <gsuit@eonet.net>
Welcome Bill to an exciting experience. But, before you decide to throw
out the notion of a QB, you gotta ask yourself...
Do I wanna build an RV or do I wanna fly an RV? Check around at the
build times of both types...
However, the cool thing is that in the end, we all get to do both :)
Clayton Henderson
RV-7 Fuselage (SB)
Beaumont, TX
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| Subject: | Dynon Update Report |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Clayton Henderson" <gsuit@eonet.net>
>>The other thing that I didn't expect is its very difficult to get
myself to focus on the data in the D-10. My scan genes are trained to go
all around the panel and not stay in one place.
>>W
Don' worry Wheeler, that scan eventually comes. It's like wearing an
analog watch for years, then buying a digital one. With the analog, you
could just glance down and up real quick and know that it was about 4
pm. Now you actually have to focus on the numbers to get the time...but
the difference is that now you see it's exactly 3:57pm.
I initially found it odd in the bombing pattern when doing pop-up steep
delivery...but I digress.
Clayton Henderson
RV-7 Fuselage (SB)
Beaumont, TX
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| Subject: | White powder in fuel tank |
05/13/2003 09:24:12 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com
Ok chemists,
My fuel tanks are done. Last night, I opened one up to make an adjustment
to the sender unit and found a white, very fine powder residue on the wall.
Nothing (that I am aware of) has been in the tank since closure a couple of
months ago. Is it possible that this residue is some sort of precipitate
resulting from the tank sealing compound cure?
Don
RV-8
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| Subject: | Re: C/S prop spitting oil |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
you over greasing the hub or greasing on the right frequency? This happened
with mine after greasing it. Talked with a very experienced guy at my field
and he said I'd probably overgreased. Made sense. It stopped after a
while. be careful with your frequency and amount used.
Just a suggestion. Your original message didn't mention when or if you'd
greased the prop hub.
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
>My C/S prop (300 hours since new) has recently, but not consistently,
>spit tiny oil droplets onto the passenger side windscreen. There is
>evidence that this oil is coming from the root of one of the blades
>(little streaks on the first 6 inches or so of blade). This happened
>during the first 10 or 15 hours when the prop was new, and then went
>away for a year and a half until at about 280 hours. Now, in about half
>of the last 10 flights, there has been some mist on the right
>windscreen. I would guess the entire amount of oil isn't even one drop
>yet. I can imagine the seal at the blade root needs replacement, but can
>anyone explain the sporadic nature of this? Air in the system? Flight
>conditions are similar in each case, nothing unusual there.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Gary, et al
thanks for the info on Leadville. I think I'll see if I can't do it
non-stop. The trick is going to be take off from Furnace Creek at sunrise.
Fly at about 135 TAS at 9500 until more is needed to maximize fuel range,
and then stop at Leadville long enough to get 15 gals of fuel, and then pop
over the ridge eastwards to lower altitude for a fill up and some decent
well boiled coffee.
That stupid restricted zone in Nevada, 'Fallon'? is smack dab in the middle
of everything. And I have been really hesitant to ask for direct clearances
through any restricted zones sense 9/11. Edwards AFB used to give it to me
sometimes when going north to battle mountain/boise. Anybody have any
thoughts/experiences on getting these kinds of clearances these days?
W
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: White powder in fuel tank |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com
>
>
>Ok chemists,
>My fuel tanks are done. Last night, I opened one up to make an adjustment
>to the sender unit and found a white, very fine powder residue on the wall.
>Nothing (that I am aware of) has been in the tank since closure a couple of
>months ago. Is it possible that this residue is some sort of precipitate
>resulting from the tank sealing compound cure?
Did you use any fuel lube? I originally sealed the sender plates with
that and when I had to open them up to repair leaks the fuel lube had
deteriorated into a whitish powdery substance. No more sealing with fuel
lube for me. The proseal sealed plates have had no further problems.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
At 05:27 PM 5/12/2003, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
>
>
> I have a free Turn & Bank or I can buy a Turn Coordinator. I
>know the difference in both but for partial panel only in emergency is
>there a good reason to prefer one over the other. This RV6 is not
>intended to be
>an IFR airplane. Can answer off list if you prefer.
The turn and bank has a needle and the turn coordinator has an
airplane instead of the needle. I could be wrong, but I think that is the
only difference.
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for E-Mail Address |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Craig Warner" <cwarner@twcny.rr.com>
Try 315-622-2072 you have to call before 8:30 pm EST because he goes
upstairs around then and can't hear the phone. His answering machine wiil
also accept a fax if needed.
Best regards
Craig Warner RV6 still buildin
----- Original Message -----
From: <Vanremog@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Looking for E-Mail Address
> --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 5/12/2003 6:11:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> dschaefer1@kc.rr.com writes:
>
> > I'm trying to locate an e-mail address or phone number for Ken Barto.
> > If anyone can help me, I'd appreciate it.
> >
>
> The Yeller Pages has him listed.
>
> -GV (RV-6A N1GV 602hrs)
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
> I'm curious as to what airspeed you're getting max rate of climb in a 180
hp, RV-6 with a C/S prop? I'm doing some prop comparison testing and would
like to start somewhere in the ball park. Since the VSI is pegged and I
don't have room for something like the Rocky Mountain Micro Encoder, I'll be
timing the altitude blocks.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
> RV-6 O-360 C/S
Dave, I just finished a considerable amount of prop testing and had the
opportunity to try different speeds. Vy for my plane is 125-130 mph. Since I
was testing for different variables I didn't take the time to resolve which
it is, 125 or 130, but I had been using 120 per data from other builders. In
fact my plane yields a higher Vy at the higher speeds. Weight effects climb
dramatically so make sure your cockpit and fuel loads are known and
accounted for.
Randy Lervold
RV-8
www.rv-8.com
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| Subject: | Re: fuel float wire |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Wayne, welcome to the club! I did the same thing. I just cut the wire 3/8"
from the bend toward the sender and silver brazed it back to the sender stub
on the opposite side this time. Just bend it out a little to compensate for
the 3/8" loss. Can't detect any loss of accuracy as compared to the other
tank's.
Cheers!!----Henry Hore
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List: Tach P-lead feed |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" <welchvincent@hotmail.com>
I have an EIS4000 and would like to go this route. I called Grand Rapids
and Greg is out for a week and the lady that answered the phone has no idea
what I am talking about. I am using one impulse coupled mag and one
Lightspeed ignition.
Have any of you guys hooked up the EIS with Van's tach transducer, and if
so, would you mind sharing your methods?
Thanks
Vince Welch
>From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
>Reply-To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tach P-lead feed
>Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 23:41:16 -0500
>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
><bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
>
>At 10:32 PM 5/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charles Brame
> ><charleyb@earthlink.net>
> >
> >As I understand it, a tach feed from a mag P-lead will work regardless
> >of whether the mag is "On" or "Off." A mag is turned "Off" by grounding
> >it, so the P-lead connection at the mag should continue to provide tach
> >info. The only problem (according to the VM-1000 folks) is that there
> >may be minor erratic tach indications if the mag has an impulse starter.
>
> Don't think so. A mag driven tach looks for the "low"
> voltage mirror image of the spark that appears across OPEN
> points of the mag switch. Closed switch, no spark, no signal
> to tach.
>
>
> >I'm not flying yet, so I cannot confirm. Maybe Bob can confirm.
> >
> >Another option is a transducer that fits on the mechanical tach port on
> >a Lycoming. Van sells the transducer for $60 (part #IE VTACHGEN2) or $67
> >if you have a vacuum pump (part #IE VTACGEN12.)
>
> This is the very best way to go. Bypass the ignition systems
> entirely. I designed tach transducers for the Bonanzas and Barons
> when they went to 2" instruments back in the 80's . . . built
> a hall effect transducer that screwed right onto the tach drive
> fitting of the engine.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: White powder in fuel tank |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 5/13/2003 6:27:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Don.Alexander@AstenJohnson.com writes:
> Last night, I opened one up to make an adjustment
> to the sender unit and found a white, very fine powder residue on the wall.
> Nothing (that I am aware of) has been in the tank since closure a couple of
> months ago. Is it possible that this residue is some sort of precipitate
> resulting from the tank sealing compound cure?
It's possible, but did you do a pressure test with a balloon attached to
limit the pressure? If so, the residue could be the powder that coats
balloons to make them less sticky. As the balloon deflates it will dump the
powder into the tank.
-GV (RV-6A N1GV 602hrs)
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme
Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable
of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."--Thomas Jefferson
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--> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
Finn Lassen wrote:
>I'm the wrong person to ask. I don't fly jets or turbo props.
>I think you have to get up in the high twenties. Low air resistance
>(drag) yet can deliver full power.
I would guess you're probably right, but I don't know myself -- no jet
experience.
>There's nothing wrong with wanting to put one of these units in an RV,
>as long as you realize you're probably going to double your fuel
>consumption. Heck, I've even played with the idea of putting on in my
>RV-3. The lesser weight should give an even more spectacular climb rate.
I was thinking about a design of my own and a pure jet of some sort but
it's likely I'll just ponder it awhile ( long enough to talk myself out
of it, maybe ). Hard to install a jet in an RV but maybe someday
there'll be a rational reason for a turbine in one of them.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Twelfth Annual Homewing RV Fly-In |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
Actually Randall means "SPB", if you put "56S" into your GPS it won't know
what you're talking about. And this is a great day of "RV immersion". We've
had over 100 RVs for the last several years.
Randy Lervold
Home Wing - Van's Air Force
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
>
> Mark your calendars! The Twelfth Annual Home Wing RV Fly-In is coming up,
> Saturday June 14 at Scappoose, OR Airport (56S). Check out the web page
> www.vanshomewing.org for all the details (including a sneak preview of
this
> year's T-shirt art.) See you there!
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--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>
>At 05:27 PM 5/12/2003, you wrote:
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
>>
>>
>> I have a free Turn & Bank or I can buy a Turn Coordinator. I
>>know the difference in both but for partial panel only in emergency is
>>there a good reason to prefer one over the other. This RV6 is not
>>intended to be
>>an IFR airplane. Can answer off list if you prefer.
>
> The turn and bank has a needle and the turn coordinator has an
>airplane instead of the needle. I could be wrong, but I think that is the
>only difference.
>
It is not the only difference but may be the only difference that is
noticable under normal conditions. The airplane may be a little more
intuitive.
Going by memory, which is often faulty, but I believe the T&B senses yaw
only and not bank. You can be in a slip and the T&B would have the
needle in the middle. The turn coordinator senses yaw and change of bank
angle so during the initiation of a normal turn where the T&B would not
show a change until the airplane is actually changing heading, the turn
coordinator would deflect before there is a yaw change.
I have found that a lot of turn coordinators are twitchy compared to
T&B's.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
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| Subject: | C/s prop spitting oil |
--> RV-List message posted by: Stuart B McCurdy <sturdy@att.net>
My Hartzell C/S started spitting grease at about 130 hours. Grease was
evident along the back side of one prop blade. Took the spinner off and
traced the grease stream to the parting surface between the front and
back hub halves, between the bolts. Talked with Hartzell and since it
was less than a year since flying it, they sent me to Jordan Propeller
in San Antonio for warranty reseal. Watched them tear it down. When
the halves came apart you could see where the sealant applied was very
thin in the area where the leak was. After the clean up and reseal, it
has not leaked since (knock on wood).
Stu McCurdy
RV-8, 270 hours
RV-3, 800 hours
From: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
Subject: RV-List: C/S prop spitting oil
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
My C/S prop (300 hours since new) has recently, but not consistently,
spit tiny oil droplets onto the passenger side windscreen. There is
evidence that this oil is coming from the root of one of the blades
(little streaks on the first 6 inches or so of blade). This happened
during the first 10 or 15 hours when the prop was new, and then went
away for a year and a half until at about 280 hours. Now, in about half
of the last 10 flights, there has been some mist on the right
windscreen. I would guess the entire amount of oil isn't even one drop
yet. I can imagine the seal at the blade root needs replacement, but can
anyone explain the sporadic nature of this? Air in the system? Flight
conditions are similar in each case, nothing unusual there.
Thanks,
Alex Peterson
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Do an archive search on the AeroElectric list and you'll find a lot of
information about the differences, and there are differences.
http://www.matronics.com/searching/
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Dube" <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
Subject: Re: RV-List: T&B or TC
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>
> At 05:27 PM 5/12/2003, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
> >
> >
> > I have a free Turn & Bank or I can buy a Turn Coordinator. I
> >know the difference in both but for partial panel only in emergency is
> >there a good reason to prefer one over the other. This RV6 is not
> >intended to be
> >an IFR airplane. Can answer off list if you prefer.
>
> The turn and bank has a needle and the turn coordinator has an
> airplane instead of the needle. I could be wrong, but I think that is the
> only difference.
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>
> > The turn and bank has a needle and the turn coordinator has an
> >airplane instead of the needle. I could be wrong, but I think that is the
> >only difference.
> >
>
>It is not the only difference but may be the only difference that is
>noticable under normal conditions. The airplane may be a little more
>intuitive.
>
>Going by memory, which is often faulty, but I believe the T&B senses yaw
>only and not bank.
The T&B senses yaw rate. It is completely insensitive to yaw
angle. It also senses roll (bank) rate. It is sensitive to changes in roll
angle. When you roll the airplane, the T&B initially indicates the roll
angle and then returns to center after a few moments.
I think the turn coordinator does the same thing.
> You can be in a slip and the T&B would have the
>needle in the middle. The turn coordinator senses yaw and change of bank
>angle so during the initiation of a normal turn where the T&B would not
>show a change until the airplane is actually changing heading, the turn
>coordinator would deflect before there is a yaw change.
>
>I have found that a lot of turn coordinators are twitchy compared to
>T&B's.
I have not looked inside a turn coordinator, but I have studied
the inside of a T&B. I strongly suspect that both instruments operate on
the same principle and the same mechanism.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
Jaye and Scott Jackson wrote:
>Having said all this, if it weren't for too many children, and being dumb
>enough to saddle myself with a crushing mortgage, I, too, would have
>trouble
>resisting the scent of Chanel JP4 instead of 100LowLife, and an airframe
>that goes zoom-zoom while the engine goes hum, as opposed to
>kapocketa-kapocketa....
>Scott in Vancouver
---
Ha! I believe that about sums it up for me -- thanks! I believe I'm
going back to thinking more about those Mazda rotaries in the RV again.
Probably just still trying to get over wishing I'd taken the Navy up on
their offer many years ago to send me to OCS and flight training. I
chose to do it myself, which I did, but I still missed the jets I
wanted to fly and built a business and family instead. Don't regret
it, but I guess I'm still haunted with those visions of me in a Tomcat.
<sigh>
Steve
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| Subject: | anywheremap with dell axiem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gene Larsen" <hibeam@netins.net>
Any of you guys tried the anywhere map using the new Dell
PDA instead of the IPAC? Looks like a way to save of few
bucks.
Gene Larsen, 9A, finish
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| Subject: | Re: anywheremap with dell axiem |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
These units don't have serial ports. Any GPS you buy to use it with would have
to plug into either the CompactFlash slot or the SecureDigital slot. I don't
know about GPS availability in either of those two formats. I'd check with Control
Vision to see if they know of a GPS that can be used with the Axim.
Gene Larsen <hibeam@netins.net> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: "Gene Larsen"
Any of you guys tried the anywhere map using the new Dell
PDA instead of the IPAC? Looks like a way to save of few
bucks.
Gene Larsen, 9A, finish
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you
Luke 6:28, NAS
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| Subject: | Furnace Creek to Leadville |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken" <av8or@infionline.net>
The coffee water boils. It boils at a much lower temperature.
Ken
av8or@infionline.net
kring@mountainviewdogs.com
kring@irisweb.net
www.irisweb.net
www.mountainviewdogs.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Phil Sisson,
Litchfield Aerobatic Club
Subject: Re: RV-List: Furnace Creek to Leadville
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club"
<sisson@consolidated.net>
John wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
> I don't fully agree regarding needing all that 6,400 feet of runway at
> Leadville to get off. Perhaps in a heavily loaded C-172 on a hot day, but
in
> my 160HP fixed pitch prop RV6A I go in and out of Leadville (pattern
> altitude 10,700) with no real noticable difference than when operating
from
> Salida at 7,500 ft. I certainly don't need more than 1000 feet or so and I
> have been in and out of Leadville perhaps 20 times.
>
> The only real difference I see is their coffee isn't so good !
>
> FWIW John at Salida, CO
>
> _
Do not archive
I just wonder if the coffee water ever boils...
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--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: T&B or TC
>Sent: 5/15/20 6:33 AM
>Received: 5/13/03 1:01 PM
>From: Bill Dube, bdube@boulder.nist.gov
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>
>
>>
>> > The turn and bank has a needle and the turn coordinator has an
>> >airplane instead of the needle. I could be wrong, but I think that is the
>> >only difference.
>> >
>>
>>It is not the only difference but may be the only difference that is
>>noticable under normal conditions. The airplane may be a little more
>>intuitive.
>>
>>Going by memory, which is often faulty, but I believe the T&B senses yaw
>>only and not bank.
>
> The T&B senses yaw rate. It is completely insensitive to yaw
>angle.
I don't know what is meant by yaw angle here. Angle to what? The T&B
does sense yaw rate.
>It also senses roll (bank) rate.
This is incorrect. A T&B does not sense anything about roll.
>It is sensitive to changes in roll
>angle. When you roll the airplane, the T&B initially indicates the roll
>angle and then returns to center after a few moments.
This is what the turn coordinator does. A T&B does not. It is the main
difference in the instruments and yes they are different.
>
> I think the turn coordinator does the same thing.
>
>
>> You can be in a slip and the T&B would have the
>>needle in the middle. The turn coordinator senses yaw and change of bank
>>angle so during the initiation of a normal turn where the T&B would not
>>show a change until the airplane is actually changing heading, the turn
>>coordinator would deflect before there is a yaw change.
>>
>>I have found that a lot of turn coordinators are twitchy compared to
>>T&B's.
>
> I have not looked inside a turn coordinator, but I have studied
>the inside of a T&B. I strongly suspect that both instruments operate on
>the same principle and the same mechanism.
If anyone wants documentation on this, it will have to wait till I have
access to books later today.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
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| Subject: | Re: anywheremap with dell axiem |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
My Axims came with the serial cables, which were just made available when I purchased
them about 3 months ago. The connectors are very robust and secure without
additional hardware or adapters. Not flying yet, but they perform quite
nicely in the cockpit of my truck using PCFlightSystem's AHRS and moving map
software, with a Garmin GPS-35 and airdata interface, both units running simultaneously.
The system also connects with my Navaid via Porcine interface. (haven't
tested that one in the truck, tho.........)
From The PossumWorks
Mark
Scott Vanartsdalen wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
>
> These units don't have serial ports. Any GPS you buy to use it with would have
to plug into either the CompactFlash slot or the SecureDigital slot. I don't
know about GPS availability in either of those two formats. I'd check with
Control Vision to see if they know of a GPS that can be used with the Axim.
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| Subject: | Re: Furnace Creek to Leadville |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Ken wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken" <av8or@infionline.net>
>
> The coffee water boils. It boils at a much lower temperature.
>
> Ken
> av8or@infionline.net
> kring@mountainviewdogs.com
> kring@irisweb.net
>
> www.irisweb.net
> www.mountainviewdogs.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Phil Sisson,
> Litchfield Aerobatic Club
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Furnace Creek to Leadville
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club"
> <sisson@consolidated.net>
>
> John wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
> >
> > I don't fully agree regarding needing all that 6,400 feet of runway at
> > Leadville to get off. Perhaps in a heavily loaded C-172 on a hot day, but
> in
> > my 160HP fixed pitch prop RV6A I go in and out of Leadville (pattern
> > altitude 10,700) with no real noticable difference than when operating
> from
> > Salida at 7,500 ft. I certainly don't need more than 1000 feet or so and I
> > have been in and out of Leadville perhaps 20 times.
> >
> > The only real difference I see is their coffee isn't so good !
> >
> > FWIW John at Salida, CO
> >
> > _
>
> Do not archive
>
> I just wonder if the coffee water ever boils...
I bet it is boiling at about 110 F. I remember people telling about trying to
cook Great Northern white beans up there and it was impossible without a
pressure cooker.
Do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Brick" <jbrick@wolfenet.com>
2000 Vans RV-4 with factory new Lycoming 0-320-D1A engine and Hartzell C/S
propeller. $52,500
125 TTA&E, New UPS (Apollo) SL-60 GPS/Com with 360 MAP, King KT-76A
transponder and Rocky Mountain engine monitor. SONY CD player with
Sigtronics stereo intercom system that is great for cross-country flying. LR
tip tanks allow approx. 50 gallons total fuel capacity.
Unpainted, VFR night equiped. Many extras.
Hangered at Tacoma Narrows Airport.
Steve Casper
Gig Harbor, WA
mailto:s.d.casper@worldnet.att.net
(253) 853-7447
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| Subject: | Re: anywheremap with dell axiem |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Very cool. That was one black mark for me. Have to have them serial connectors
or nogo.
Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips
My Axims came with the serial cables, which were just made available when I purchased
them about 3 months ago. The connectors are very robust and secure without
additional hardware or adapters. Not flying yet, but they perform quite nicely
in the cockpit of my truck using PCFlightSystem's AHRS and moving map
software, with a Garmin GPS-35 and airdata interface, both units running simultaneously.
The system also connects with my Navaid via Porcine interface. (haven't
tested that one in the truck, tho.........)
From The PossumWorks
Mark
Scott Vanartsdalen wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen
>
> These units don't have serial ports. Any GPS you buy to use it with would have
to plug into either the CompactFlash slot or the SecureDigital slot. I don't
know about GPS availability in either of those two formats. I'd check with Control
Vision to see if they know of a GPS that can be used with the Axim.
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you
Luke 6:28, NAS
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>
> >
> > The T&B senses yaw rate. It is completely insensitive to yaw
> >angle.
>
>I don't know what is meant by yaw angle here. Angle to what? The T&B
>does sense yaw rate.
Your gyro compass senses yaw angle. When the plane twists about
the vertical axis, the yaw angle changes. The card on the front of your
gyro compass turns in proportion to the rotation about the yaw axis. Your
T&B indicator indicates the rate of change of the yaw angle, but is
insensitive to yaw angle.
> >It also senses roll (bank) rate.
>
>This is incorrect. A T&B does not sense anything about roll.
If you have one out of your airplane, connect it up and gently
twist and turn it. If you roll it, the needle will move quite a bit. If
you yaw it, the needle moves a lot.
> >It is sensitive to changes in roll
> >angle. When you roll the airplane, the T&B initially indicates the roll
> >angle and then returns to center after a few moments.
>
>This is what the turn coordinator does. A T&B does not. It is the main
>difference in the instruments and yes they are different.
Someone mentioned earlier that a turn coordinator has the gimbal
inclined slightly instead of aligned perfectly with the pitch axis, like it
is in a T&B indicator. I looked this up. The angle is about 30 degrees. The
indication of a turn coordinator is quite a bit more sensitive to roll rate
than a T&B indicator. Thus, the little airplane will tilt in response to:
1) Yaw rate (strongest) 87% of total rate sensitivity
2) Roll rate (strong) 13% of total rate sensitivity
3) Roll angle (damped, weak) 87% of total angle sensitivity
4) Yaw angle (damped, weakest) 13% of total angle sensitivity
A T&B indicator needle will move in response to:
1) Yaw rate (strongest) 100% of total rate sensitivity
2) Roll angle (damped, modest) 100% of total angle sensitivity
3) Roll rate (weak)
with NO response to yaw angle.
Here is a link to a good explanation of how they work inside and
what motivated the creation of the turn coordinator:
http://www.avweb.com/news/avionics/183238-1.html
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| Subject: | Re: Coffee & rivets - WAS: Furnace Creek to Leadville |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 03:14 PM 5/13/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club"
><sisson@consolidated.net>
>
>Ken wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken" <av8or@infionline.net>
> >
> > The coffee water boils. It boils at a much lower temperature.
To make good coffee, the water needs to be between 195 and 205 as it hits
the coffee.
It is quite important that RV'ers have good coffee. With weak coffee,
rivets will be under driven. With 'stewed' coffee, rivets will
clinch. Coffee too strong will fog plexiglass.
do not archive do not even read
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| Subject: | Re: Furnace Creek to Leadville |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic
>Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
>
>Ken wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken" <av8or@infionline.net>
>>
>> The coffee water boils. It boils at a much lower temperature.
>>
> > Ken
> >
>> I just wonder if the coffee water ever boils...
>
>I bet it is boiling at about 110 F. I remember people telling
>about trying to
>cook Great Northern white beans up there and it was impossible without a
>pressure cooker.
>
>Do not archive
>
If I cross reference my standard atmosphere tables, and my steam
tables, they tell me that at 10,000 ft the water should boil at 193
F. You'd have to get up to over 54,000 ft to bring the boiling point
down to 110 F.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Dube" <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
Subject: [nonspam] Re: RV-List: T&B or TC
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > The T&B senses yaw rate. It is completely insensitive to yaw
> > >angle.
> >
> >I don't know what is meant by yaw angle here. Angle to what? The T&B
> >does sense yaw rate.
>
> Your gyro compass senses yaw angle. When the plane twists about
> the vertical axis, the yaw angle changes. The card on the front of your
> gyro compass turns in proportion to the rotation about the yaw axis. Your
> T&B indicator indicates the rate of change of the yaw angle, but is
> insensitive to yaw angle.
>
>
> > >It also senses roll (bank) rate.
> >
> >This is incorrect. A T&B does not sense anything about roll.
>
> If you have one out of your airplane, connect it up and gently
> twist and turn it. If you roll it, the needle will move quite a bit. If
> you yaw it, the needle moves a lot.
>
I don't have one out of the airplane. I do have an "Instrument Flying
Handbook" published by the U.S. Department of Transportation. In regard to
the T&B it says "The turn needle indicates the rate at which the aircraft is
turning about the vertical axis..." That is it.
Your reference below says "When the aircraft yaws, the gyro assembly is
forced to yaw along with it. Gyroscopic precession causes the gyro to tilt
left or right against the force of the centering spring. The higher the rate
of yaw, the greater the precession force against the spring and the farther
the gyro tilts." If your T&B reacts to roll maybe there is something wrong
with it or the forces involved are small and don't show up in actual use.
>
> > >It is sensitive to changes in roll
> > >angle. When you roll the airplane, the T&B initially indicates the roll
> > >angle and then returns to center after a few moments.
> >
> >This is what the turn coordinator does. A T&B does not. It is the main
> >difference in the instruments and yes they are different.
>
> Someone mentioned earlier that a turn coordinator has the gimbal
> inclined slightly instead of aligned perfectly with the pitch axis, like
it
> is in a T&B indicator. I looked this up. The angle is about 30 degrees.
The
> indication of a turn coordinator is quite a bit more sensitive to roll
rate
> than a T&B indicator. Thus, the little airplane will tilt in response to:
>
> 1) Yaw rate (strongest) 87% of total rate sensitivity
> 2) Roll rate (strong) 13% of total rate sensitivity
> 3) Roll angle (damped, weak) 87% of total angle sensitivity
> 4) Yaw angle (damped, weakest) 13% of total angle sensitivity
>
> A T&B indicator needle will move in response to:
>
> 1) Yaw rate (strongest) 100% of total rate sensitivity
> 2) Roll angle (damped, modest) 100% of total angle sensitivity
> 3) Roll rate (weak)
>
> with NO response to yaw angle.
You don't give references for all these figures. I would like them because
they disagree with every book on the subject I have. The FAA book on the
turn coordinator says it "displays a movement of the aircraft on the roll
axis that is proportional to the roll rate. When the roll rate is reduced
to zero, the instrument provides an indication of rate-of-turn." In other
words the turn coordinator reacts to roll when it is changing then when it
stops changing it doesn't react to it all. At that point it reacts
completely to yaw rate.
This is the way I have found the two instruments work in an airplane.
>
> Here is a link to a good explanation of how they work inside and
> what motivated the creation of the turn coordinator:
>
> http://www.avweb.com/news/avionics/183238-1.html
>
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" <Rob@RobsGlass.com>
From: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: RV-List: fuel float wire
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
I remember something about this in the 18years of Rvator I think. The
tip was rather than bending it back, twist the wire leading to the
eroneous bend through 180 degrees to put the bend in the correct direction.
Doug Gray
Wayne Pedersen wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Pedersen" <wayne@pedersentransport.com>
>
> I bent the wire of the fuel float in the wrong direction. If I bend it back
> I fear that I will have weakened the wire and a potentially break. The NAPA
> store says I can only buy the wire with the sender. Anybody know where I can
> source just the fuel float wire by its self ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Wayne
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" <Rob@RobsGlass.com>
Sorry guys I sent this once in error without my words of wisdom, (worth what you're
paying for them!). I managed the same stunt. Making left and right hand
versions of things seems to be nearly impossible when the moon's in the wrong
phase.
Short answer try a hobby shop or if you know anyone with a tig welder SS welding
rod works fine. Ask me how I know ;-)
Rob
Rob W M Shipley
RV9A N919RV Fuselage - now a canoe!!!
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
I remember something about this in the 18years of Rvator I think. The
tip was rather than bending it back, twist the wire leading to the
eroneous bend through 180 degrees to put the bend in the correct direction.
Doug Gray
Wayne Pedersen wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Pedersen" <wayne@pedersentransport.com>
> I bent the wire of the fuel float in the wrong direction. If I bend it back
> I fear that I will have weakened the wire and a potentially break. The NAPA
> store says I can only buy the wire with the sender. Anybody know where I can
> source just the fuel float wire by its self ?
> Thanks Wayne
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| Subject: | Yaesu handheld wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" <Rob@RobsGlass.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
Okay you electronic gurus ... I need your help.
I have a Yaseau handheld for backup with the Icom A200 installed in my 8A. I
would like to be able to somehow get the Yaseau in line though my headset to
use in air to air communication. There are no y adaptors for this that I can
find.
I thought of trying to build up something myself but before going to the
trouble I am not sure it would even work ??? Thoughts?
Hi Len,
I'm no guru but I am trying the same exercise. The adaptor you're looking for
came with my VXA-100. I've been in touch with Yaesu to determine how to connect
the stick ptt and I received the following from them today.
Hello Rob,
The VXA-100's ptt would have to be connected through the CT-60 cable. The External
ptt should be between the headset and the CT-60 cable. If you need any
more help feel free to contact us again.
Thank You,
Land Mobile Technical Support
Vertex Standard
I've replied to confirm that using this to get access to the ring on the mike plug
will permit TX if it's grounded and I'll copy you off list with what I come
up with.
In the meanwhile if you find out anything please copy it to me.
Fly safe.
Rob
Rob W M Shipley
RV9A N919RV Fuselage - now a canoe!!!
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| Subject: | Off Topic-RV-4, RV-6, RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
Listers:
I know some of you, like me, have a casual interest in amateur astronomy as
well as flying hotrod airplanes.
The other day I was at a star party and a buddy was talking to me. This guy
is a CFII and former FAA employee, like me, but he is the only guy I have
ever heard of who worked in flight service, tower and center. He has also
ridden in my RV-6, but until this night he never mentioned he owns an RV-6
also. His RV-6 is one of his many telescopes he owns and it turns out one
of his favorites.
I don't know how I missed this all these years, but I learned a little bit
by googling. A number of years ago the Criterion company not only produced
an RV-6, but an RV-4 and RV-8. As far as I know they never made an RV-3 or
RV-9 or, even though they did have a 10 inch scope, an RV-10.
It turns out these are highly regarded telescopes much as our airplanes are.
It makes me think I need to get the RV-6, at least.
Do not archive
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 (Airplane, not Telescope) N441LP Flying
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
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| Subject: | Epoxy on aluminum |
--> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
I just tried making my own fiberglass empennage fairing. My second
attempt worked out OK, I think, but I accidentally smeared some epoxy on
the Horizontal Stabilizer and didn't notice it till it had set.
Scraping with a razor blade doesn't do much (except scratch the
aluminum). Does any one know any good method of making the epoxy let
go? A heat gun perhaps? Methylchloride? It's pretty tough stuff.
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A
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| Subject: | Re: Epoxy on aluminum |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
Judicious work with a fingernail or a popsicle stick will take it off. Just
get under an edge and the little beads pop right off.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Epoxy on aluminum
> --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
>
> I just tried making my own fiberglass empennage fairing. My second
> attempt worked out OK, I think, but I accidentally smeared some epoxy on
> the Horizontal Stabilizer and didn't notice it till it had set.
> Scraping with a razor blade doesn't do much (except scratch the
> aluminum). Does any one know any good method of making the epoxy let
> go? A heat gun perhaps? Methylchloride? It's pretty tough stuff.
>
> --
> Tom Sargent, RV-6A
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| Subject: | Off Topic-RV-4, RV-6, RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Reese" <waynereese@qwest.net>
Larry,
Have you joined
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RVAstronomySIG?yguid=143972067 ?
Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Pardue
Subject: RV-List: Off Topic-RV-4, RV-6, RV-8
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
Listers:
I know some of you, like me, have a casual interest in amateur astronomy
as
well as flying hotrod airplanes.
The other day I was at a star party and a buddy was talking to me. This
guy
is a CFII and former FAA employee, like me, but he is the only guy I
have
ever heard of who worked in flight service, tower and center. He has
also
ridden in my RV-6, but until this night he never mentioned he owns an
RV-6
also. His RV-6 is one of his many telescopes he owns and it turns out
one
of his favorites.
I don't know how I missed this all these years, but I learned a little
bit
by googling. A number of years ago the Criterion company not only
produced
an RV-6, but an RV-4 and RV-8. As far as I know they never made an RV-3
or
RV-9 or, even though they did have a 10 inch scope, an RV-10.
It turns out these are highly regarded telescopes much as our airplanes
are.
It makes me think I need to get the RV-6, at least.
Do not archive
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 (Airplane, not Telescope) N441LP Flying
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Reese" <waynereese@qwest.net>
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Reese [mailto:waynereese@qwest.net]
Subject: RE: RV-List: Off Topic-RV-4, RV-6, RV-8
Larry,
Have you joined
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RVAstronomySIG?yguid=143972067 ?
Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Pardue
Subject: RV-List: Off Topic-RV-4, RV-6, RV-8
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
Listers:
I know some of you, like me, have a casual interest in amateur astronomy
as
well as flying hotrod airplanes.
The other day I was at a star party and a buddy was talking to me. This
guy
is a CFII and former FAA employee, like me, but he is the only guy I
have
ever heard of who worked in flight service, tower and center. He has
also
ridden in my RV-6, but until this night he never mentioned he owns an
RV-6
also. His RV-6 is one of his many telescopes he owns and it turns out
one
of his favorites.
I don't know how I missed this all these years, but I learned a little
bit
by googling. A number of years ago the Criterion company not only
produced
an RV-6, but an RV-4 and RV-8. As far as I know they never made an RV-3
or
RV-9 or, even though they did have a 10 inch scope, an RV-10.
It turns out these are highly regarded telescopes much as our airplanes
are.
It makes me think I need to get the RV-6, at least.
Do not archive
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 (Airplane, not Telescope) N441LP Flying
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Epoxy on aluminum |
--> RV-List message posted by: <ktlkrn@cox.net>
Heat gun and a finger nail. Of course if you lived in the Phoenix area all
you would need is the finger nail, 100 today!!!
Just scraped some epoxy off the wing today and just the outside temp
softened enough to use a finger nail.
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Epoxy on aluminum
> --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
>
> I just tried making my own fiberglass empennage fairing. My second
> attempt worked out OK, I think, but I accidentally smeared some epoxy on
> the Horizontal Stabilizer and didn't notice it till it had set.
> Scraping with a razor blade doesn't do much (except scratch the
> aluminum). Does any one know any good method of making the epoxy let
> go? A heat gun perhaps? Methylchloride? It's pretty tough stuff.
>
> --
> Tom Sargent, RV-6A
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Bertsch <noms1reqd@yahoo.com>
The gyro in the Turn Coordinator is tilted so that it will detect turning rate
and roll rate. The T&B gyro detects turn rate only. Some believe that the Turn
Coordinator is easier to use... but my Dad taught me that the T&B is a "safer"
instrument. When you are in the soup, and your horizon has failed, and it
is a little rough, and your stress level is high, a T&B is safer. It you keep
the T&B needle centered, you won't be turning, and if you are not turning you
can't get into a spin. You can even fly with your feet and rudders only. A
T&B can always be used to recover from a spin.
But since a Turn Coordinator also shows roll rate, and a spin is a combined turning/rolling
maneuver, it can get confused and give an inaccurate indication depending
on the plane and its spin mode. For example, in an inverted spin, the
yaw rate and roll rate are in the opposite direction, so I'm not sure what the
turn coordinator will display. Any volunteers want to go find out?
Jeff Bertsch
noms1reqd@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Furnace Creek to Leadville |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Kevin Horton wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic
> >Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
> >
> >Ken wrote:
> >
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken" <av8or@infionline.net>
> >>
> >> The coffee water boils. It boils at a much lower temperature.
> >>
> > > Ken
> > >
> >> I just wonder if the coffee water ever boils...
> >
> >I bet it is boiling at about 110 F. I remember people telling
> >about trying to
> >cook Great Northern white beans up there and it was impossible without a
> >pressure cooker.
> >
> >Do not archive
> >
> If I cross reference my standard atmosphere tables, and my steam
> tables, they tell me that at 10,000 ft the water should boil at 193
> F. You'd have to get up to over 54,000 ft to bring the boiling point
> down to 110 F.
> --
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
>
How long will it take to cook a pot of beans.... (untill done)..... at ten
thousand feet? I still think this is better than the T shirt
thing. Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Epoxy on aluminum |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
"thomas a. sargent" wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "thomas a. sargent" <sarg314@earthlink.net>
>
> I just tried making my own fiberglass empennage fairing. My second
> attempt worked out OK, I think, but I accidentally smeared some epoxy on
> the Horizontal Stabilizer and didn't notice it till it had set.
> Scraping with a razor blade doesn't do much (except scratch the
> aluminum). Does any one know any good method of making the epoxy let
> go? A heat gun perhaps? Methylchloride? It's pretty tough stuff.
>
> --
> Tom Sargent, RV-6A
>
Next time, mask off everthing with masking tape or something that will protect
the surfaces....... It will make it easier.
ooooooooopps. I didn't answer your question. Shame on me.
How did the fairing turn out?
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Epoxy on aluminum |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 5/13/2003 8:07:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
sarg314@earthlink.net writes:
> Does any one know any good method of making the epoxy let
> go? A heat gun perhaps?
Heat is real good at softening epoxy, as long as you get above the Tg (T sub
G or glass transition temperature) of the resin. I didn't catch the type of
epoxy in your post, so I'll assume it is West Systems or similar. The Tg
would probably be somewhere around 125 deg C but try lower and work up. It
should be able to be parted dry or helped along by using a solvent.
-GV (RV-6A N1GV 602hrs)
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| Subject: | Re: Epoxy on aluminum |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Don't use masking or duct tape on aluminum unless its only on for a very
short time. Wide electrical tape cost a bit more but epoxy/'glass won't go
thru it. It peals off clean after months. Do Not Archive KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Epoxy on aluminum
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| Subject: | Is anyone using a Monroy ATD-200 Collision Avoidance system? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Mack" <don@dmack.net>
I am laying out my panel and thinking of installing one of these. I'm
curious if anyone has had one for a while and how well they feel it works.
There are some hits in the archive, but they don't provide any real
information.
don mack
don@dmack.net www.dmack.net
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