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1. 03:57 AM - Re: O-320 B3B (Dana Overall)
2. 05:26 AM - Re: Alligator Pneumatic Squeezer (Rick Galati)
3. 06:08 AM - Spinner install on Hartzell C/S (DWENSING@aol.com)
4. 07:33 AM - Re: Alligator Pneumatic Squeezer (Bill Dube)
5. 08:05 AM - Toggle Switch (Bill VonDane)
6. 08:11 AM - Advice on Wife (Ross Schlotthauer)
7. 08:34 AM - Re: Advice on Wife (Chris W)
8. 08:46 AM - Re: waxing the airframe: handling effects (Dr. Kevin P. Leathers)
9. 08:47 AM - Re: Advice on Wife (Larry Hawkins)
10. 08:50 AM - Re: Advice on Wife (Scott Brumbelow)
11. 09:00 AM - Re: Alligator Pneumatic Squeezer (glenn williams)
12. 09:04 AM - Re: Toggle Switch (Bill VonDane)
13. 09:04 AM - Re: Advice on Wife (Todd Wenzel)
14. 09:41 AM - Re: Arms (DAVID REEL)
15. 09:41 AM - Re: real men drive trikes. was Advice on Wife (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
16. 09:45 AM - People's Reaction to Project (Rob Miller)
17. 09:49 AM - Re: Toggle Switch (HCRV6@aol.com)
18. 09:57 AM - RV-10 (BBreckenridge@att.net)
19. 10:15 AM - Re: Alligator Pneumatic Squeezer (Bill Dube)
20. 10:22 AM - Re: RV-10 (Larry Pardue)
21. 10:34 AM - Re: People's Reaction to Project (Jeff Orear)
22. 10:35 AM - Re: real men drive trikes. was Advice on Wife (Phil Birkelbach)
23. 10:58 AM - Re: Advice on Wife (Garry LeGare)
24. 11:18 AM - Re: Advice on Wife (Lenleg@aol.com)
25. 11:33 AM - Re: RV-10 (Roger Embree)
26. 12:06 PM - Re: RV-10 (Steven Eberhart)
27. 12:20 PM - how to tee -4 tubing into -6 tubing (Dan Checkoway)
28. 12:21 PM - Re: waxing the airframe: handling effects (RV_8 Pilot)
29. 12:25 PM - Re: People's Reaction to Project (Tommy Walker)
30. 12:28 PM - Re: Spinner install on Hartzell C/S (John Starn)
31. 01:04 PM - Fw: [SoCAL-RVlist] how to tee -4 tubing into -6 tubing (Dan Checkoway)
32. 01:12 PM - Re: Arms (DAVID REEL)
33. 01:12 PM - Stats on Trikes/Conventional (Mike Stephenson)
34. 01:26 PM - Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional (Chris W)
35. 01:30 PM - Dimmer swithc (Chris W)
36. 01:33 PM - RV-10 Question (Vans Aircraft)
37. 01:36 PM - Re: Spinner install on Hartzell C/S (DWENSING@aol.com)
38. 01:45 PM - Re: how to tee -4 tubing into -6 tubing (Terry Watson)
39. 01:51 PM - Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional (Rob Prior)
40. 01:53 PM - Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional (Terry Watson)
41. 02:07 PM - Re: how to tee -4 tubing into -6 tubing (Gil Alexander)
42. 02:14 PM - Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional (Mike Stephenson)
43. 02:37 PM - Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional (Jerry Springer)
44. 02:39 PM - Re: waxing the airframe: handling effects (SportAV8R@aol.com)
45. 02:55 PM - Re: waxing the airframe: handling effects (David.vonLinsowe)
46. 03:11 PM - Pre-OSH gathering????? (Doug Rozendaal)
47. 03:12 PM - Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional (Tedd McHenry)
48. 03:21 PM - Re: Eyeball Swivel Vent (Gert)
49. 03:40 PM - Re: Dimmer swithc (Flexible Electroluminescent Lighting, 888 457-0117)
50. 03:54 PM - Re: Toggle Switch (Meketa)
51. 04:01 PM - Kittyhawk 2003 (Glenn Gordon)
52. 04:08 PM - Re: Dimmer swithc (Chris W)
53. 04:33 PM - Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional (Mike Stephenson)
54. 04:35 PM - Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional (Mike Stephenson)
55. 04:36 PM - Wing cooling (another wacky idea) (Bill Dube)
56. 04:38 PM - Re: Eyeball Swivel Vent (Mark Phillips)
57. 04:44 PM - Re: [SoCAL-RVlist] how to tee -4 tubing into -6 tubing (Dan Checkoway)
58. 04:45 PM - Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional (Dan Checkoway)
59. 04:51 PM - Re: smallest eyeball vents? (Dan Checkoway)
60. 04:56 PM - Re: how to tee -4 tubing into -6 tubing (Chris W)
61. 04:57 PM - Re: Arms (Doug Gray)
62. 05:14 PM - Re: Advice on Wife (Dave Bristol)
63. 05:15 PM - Re: Advice on Wife (Mark Phillips)
64. 05:45 PM - Re: Pre-OSH gathering????? (eregensburg)
65. 06:02 PM - Re: Eyeball Swivel Vent (Al Mojzisik)
66. 06:10 PM - Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional (Mark Phillips)
67. 06:25 PM - RV-10 day VFR only?? (Brian Denk)
68. 06:43 PM - Re: Wing cooling (another wacky idea) (Jaye and Scott Jackson)
69. 06:59 PM - Re: RV-10 day VFR only?? (John Starn)
70. 07:28 PM - Re: RV-10 (Jaye and Scott Jackson)
71. 07:48 PM - Re: RV-10 (lucky macy)
72. 08:25 PM - Re: RV-10 (John Starn)
73. 08:27 PM - Re: RV-10 day VFR only?? (Tom Gummo)
74. 08:28 PM - Re: RV-10 (Michael McGee)
75. 08:31 PM - RV-4 weights (Doug Weiler)
76. 08:35 PM - Re: Humor - Delete Now--Gummo/Horton (Tom Gummo)
77. 09:04 PM - Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional (Charlie & Tupper England)
78. 09:12 PM - Re: Spinner install on Hartzell C/S (Alex Peterson)
79. 09:25 PM - Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional (Jerry Springer)
80. 09:58 PM - (Ron Patterson)
81. 10:16 PM - Re: Wing cooling (another wacky idea) (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
82. 10:34 PM - Re: Wing cooling (another wacky idea) (Jaye and Scott Jackson)
83. 10:50 PM - Re: Wing cooling (another wacky idea) (John Starn)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>As I recall it has a vertical mounted carb at the bottom rear of the sump.
>This will mean a sump change if it is to be used in a tri-gear RV.
>
>Eustace Bowhay Blind Bay, B.C.
Thanks for all the info gang, lots of good info on and off the net. Since I
am dragging my tail, the carb position is not a problem.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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>As I recall it has a vertical mounted carb at the bottom rear of the sump.
>This will mean a sump change if it is to be used in a tri-gear RV.
>
>Eustace Bowhay Blind Bay, B.C.
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| Subject: | Re: Alligator Pneumatic Squeezer |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
Scott,
Washers to adjust depth are fine.....up to a point. The problems you describe
have more to do with improper squeeze set selection for the alligator squeezer
you have. You may or may not be aware that squeeze sets come in many various
lengths and diameters. For instance, a quick review of my collection reveals flush
set thicknesses ranging from as little as .075 to .75 long. That is quite
a range. You are correct that the alligator design travels through an arc so
set selection is a little more demanding than a C-squeeze. Having used both designs
for years at work and in my shop, I much prefer the alligator as it is
easier to control and much more utilitarian and ergonomic than a C-squeezer. You
can get to rivet locations impossible to reach with a C-squeezer, for instance
to set rivets on a clip mounted to a floor angle already installed in the
plane. I suggest you find an aviation tool surplus house or even the fly-mart
at Oshkosh where you are sure to find an adequate selection of squeeze sets.
Rick Galati
List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
--> RV
All,
I just bought an alligator pneumatic squeezer and am having several problems. Any
help would be appreciated:
* Are there any unique tips to adjust the plunger dpeth? I read in the archive
to use washers, but that only allows so much adjustment. I also heard of an
adjustable stop that Avery makes, but I think it is 60 or 70 dollars. How do people
keep the rivet from bending over when squeezing? Since one arm of the squeezer
goes through an arc, it seems it would always compress at a slight angle.
* Is 90 psi about right for the squeezer pressure setting?
I wonder if people using the c-type have the same problems. I bought this tool
to make life easier, but right now it is much harder. Between adding and removing
washers and angling rivets, I'm about ready to go back to the old standby
manual.
Thanks,
Scott
7A
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| Subject: | Spinner install on Hartzell C/S |
--> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
When installing the spinner on a Hartzell C/S model HC-C2YK-1BF ......Is it
safe to assume that when the spinner is firmly seated against the front
bulkhead and aligned with the back plate that the nose of the spinner is
concentric with the crankshaft? I do not want to rotate the engine to check
this out.
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | Re: Alligator Pneumatic Squeezer |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
At 11:40 PM 5/15/2003, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
>
>
>All,
>
>I just bought an alligator pneumatic squeezer and am having several
>problems. Any help would be appreciated:
Here is a link to the Chicago Pneumatic Service sheet for their
214 type squeezers. It tells you how they work inside and how to fix them:
http://www.chicagopneumatic.com/cpdinternational/cpdproduct.nsf/e8814b395c9cf150802569cf00564525/7c2c16f112f989ed00256b6c00517c8e/$FILE/CP%200214.pdf
>* Are there any unique tips to adjust the plunger dpeth? I read in the
>archive to use washers, but that only allows so much adjustment. I also
>heard of an adjustable stop that Avery makes, but I think it is 60 or 70
>dollars.
The adjustable stop only works for the "C" type squeezer, not for
the alligator type.
You can only add 3/16" adjustment at the most from washers. Beyond
that, you must go to the next longer set.
I bought a large alligator squeezer (CP 351 with 9" jaws) and it
had been modified. The jaw tips had been ground down so that ordinary
length sets would not work. I re-worked the jaws by carefully machining a
rod to replace the ground-off tip. I then welded the new tip, drilled the
center hole using the original as a guide, then touched it all up with a
die grinder and the belt sander. Works great now. Nice to have the 9" inch
reach. You may have a similar problem with your squeezers.
>* How do people keep the rivet from bending over when squeezing?
If the rivet is too long for the sheet metal, and protrudes more
than 1.5 times its diameter, there is no way to stop it from bending over.
> Since one arm of the squeezer goes through an arc, it seems it would
> always compress at a slight angle.
You set up the squeezer by installing the sets and then closing
the jaws with the lever. You then carefully measure the gap with the jaws
at the fully closed position. When the jaws go to the stop, the sets should
be square. The gap needs to be the rivet length minus 1.5 times its
diameter. You then try it on a practice rivet in a scrap and make minor
adjustments.
>* Is 90 psi about right for the squeezer pressure setting?
It may seem odd, but the air pressure doesn't matter a lot, as
long as it is enough to get the full stroke. 90 psi is probably just fine.
The squeezer gets its peak force using a cam and follower. For most of the
travel, it does not have much force and moves quite rapidly. For the last
20% of the travel, the leverage changes significantly and the force gets
really high.
>I wonder if people using the c-type have the same problems. I bought this
>tool to make life easier, but right now it is much harder. Between adding
>and removing washers and angling rivets, I'm about ready to go back to the
>old standby manual.
Once you get it set up, you will never go back to the manual
squeezers. Your rivets will look "factory" once you get the hang of using
the pneumatic squeezer.
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"vansairforce" <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Anyone have a toggle switch from AeroElectric/B&C handy that can tell me the name
that is stamped on the side?
Thanks!
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A
www.vondane.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
Dear List,
I received my RV-7 finish kit yesterday and my wife
(25 years old, cute, and loves RV's) was helping me
inventory the kit. For some reason there were two
really large, I mean huge, wheel pants and one normal
looking pant that was more the size I would expect.
After unpacking the entire kit, wondering if there
would be one more little pant, thinking maybe van was
giving the builder an option, I finally realized it
was a nose wheel pant (I am building the 7). I told
my wife this and she looked at me with disgust and
said, "They think we are building the sissy!". Well,
I was shocked to say the least. I am very
disappointed that my wife would say something so
derogatory about the nose draggers, I mean fine
configuration my fellow builders have chosen.
What would you married gentlemen suggest I say or not
say to her to explain that this attitude is totally
unacceptable and that even in it has training wheels
it is still an RV.
-Ross Schlotthauer
PLEASE Do not archive!!
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on Wife |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
If I had been there at the time, the only thing I would have said to her is
this, "Do you have a sister"?
Chris W
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Ross Schlotthauer wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
>
> Dear List,
>
> I received my RV-7 finish kit yesterday and my wife
> (25 years old, cute, and loves RV's) was helping me
> inventory the kit. For some reason there were two
> really large, I mean huge, wheel pants and one normal
> looking pant that was more the size I would expect.
> After unpacking the entire kit, wondering if there
> would be one more little pant, thinking maybe van was
> giving the builder an option, I finally realized it
> was a nose wheel pant (I am building the 7). I told
> my wife this and she looked at me with disgust and
> said, "They think we are building the sissy!". Well,
> I was shocked to say the least. I am very
> disappointed that my wife would say something so
> derogatory about the nose draggers, I mean fine
> configuration my fellow builders have chosen.
>
> What would you married gentlemen suggest I say or not
> say to her to explain that this attitude is totally
> unacceptable and that even in it has training wheels
> it is still an RV.
>
> -Ross Schlotthauer
>
> PLEASE Do not archive!!
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| Subject: | Re: waxing the airframe: handling effects |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
There is a liquid wax made by "The Wax Shop". It comes in in plastic squeeze
bottles and it is wonderful. It goes on easy, comes off easy, and leaves a
smooth, hard glossy surface. It's better than any other wax I've tried.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Bertsch" <noms1reqd@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: waxing the airframe: handling effects
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Bertsch <noms1reqd@yahoo.com>
>
> Here is a link to the study on plane waxing done by the Cafe Foundation.
> http://www.cafefoundation.org/aprs/Wax%20Job%20with%20PICT.pdf
>
> Bill, what brand of wax did you use?
>
> Anyone have a favorite wax that they strongly recommend? Has anyone tried
the Rejex stuff and what do you think? I know one fellow who swears by it,
and another that says it is just an overpriced wax and to stick with the
basics.
>
> Jeff Bertsch
> noms1reqd@swbell.net
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Hawkins <lhawkins@giant.com>
Does she have a sister?, you lucky dog!
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Schlotthauer [mailto:rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com]
Subject: RV-List: Advice on Wife
--> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
Dear List,
I received my RV-7 finish kit yesterday and my wife
(25 years old, cute, and loves RV's) was helping me
inventory the kit. For some reason there were two
really large, I mean huge, wheel pants and one normal
looking pant that was more the size I would expect.
After unpacking the entire kit, wondering if there
would be one more little pant, thinking maybe van was
giving the builder an option, I finally realized it
was a nose wheel pant (I am building the 7). I told
my wife this and she looked at me with disgust and
said, "They think we are building the sissy!". Well,
I was shocked to say the least. I am very
disappointed that my wife would say something so
derogatory about the nose draggers, I mean fine
configuration my fellow builders have chosen.
What would you married gentlemen suggest I say or not
say to her to explain that this attitude is totally
unacceptable and that even in it has training wheels
it is still an RV.
-Ross Schlotthauer
PLEASE Do not archive!!
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RE: RV-List: Advice on Wife
Does she have a sister?, you lucky dog!
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Schlotthauer [<A HREF"mailto:rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com">mailto:rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com]
Subject: RV-List: Advice on Wife
-- RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com
Dear List,
I received my RV-7 finish kit yesterday and my wife
(25 years old, cute, and loves RV's) was helping me
inventory the kit. For some reason there were two
really large, I mean huge, wheel pants and one normal
looking pant that was more the size I would expect.
After unpacking the entire kit, wondering if there
would be one more little pant, thinking maybe van was
giving the builder an option, I finally realized it
was a nose wheel pant (I am building the 7). I told
my wife this and she looked at me with disgust and
said, They think we are building the sissy!. Well,
I was shocked to say the least. I am very
disappointed that my wife would say something so
derogatory about the nose draggers, I mean fine
configuration my fellow builders have chosen.
What would you married gentlemen suggest I say or not
say to her to explain that this attitude is totally
unacceptable and that even in it has training wheels
it is still an RV.
-Ross Schlotthauer
PLEASE Do not archive!!
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on Wife |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Brumbelow <csbrumbelow@fedex.com>
Let's see, your wife is young, cute, and thinks your a stud for building the
taildragger version... And she's out there helping you with it.
WHAT attitude problem?!? Why spoil it? And this is coming from someone
building an 8A!
Scott in MEM
RV-8A (aka, the "sissy" airplane - but hey, it LOOKS like a fighter on the
ground, and I have plenty of tailwheel time, so I can take it!!)
FWIW, one of the reasons I opted for the nosedragger version was so MY wife - a
pilot with NO interest in getting a tailwheel endorsement - could fly it.
Sometimes sacrifices must be made. Sigh...
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Ross Schlotthauer wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
>
> Dear List,
>
> I received my RV-7 finish kit yesterday and my wife
> (25 years old, cute, and loves RV's) was helping me
> inventory the kit. For some reason there were two
> really large, I mean huge, wheel pants and one normal
> looking pant that was more the size I would expect.
> After unpacking the entire kit, wondering if there
> would be one more little pant, thinking maybe van was
> giving the builder an option, I finally realized it
> was a nose wheel pant (I am building the 7). I told
> my wife this and she looked at me with disgust and
> said, "They think we are building the sissy!". Well,
> I was shocked to say the least. I am very
> disappointed that my wife would say something so
> derogatory about the nose draggers, I mean fine
> configuration my fellow builders have chosen.
>
> What would you married gentlemen suggest I say or not
> say to her to explain that this attitude is totally
> unacceptable and that even in it has training wheels
> it is still an RV.
>
> -Ross Schlotthauer
>
> PLEASE Do not archive!!
>
> __________________________________
> http://search.yahoo.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alligator Pneumatic Squeezer |
--> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
My suggestion to you is to sell or trade the
"alligator" squeeze and spend the money on a "c"
squeeze. You are going to have to configure the
pneumatic c squeeze many times throughout the
construction process and having to add shims or go to
the next bigger rivet set and add or remove shims from
the alligator is time consuming and frustrating to say
the least, and with 9" jaws a bugger to handle. You
are also going to have to fight the side play action
that will want to throw the rivet shop head side over
instead of a straight buck.
Glenn Willams
A&P
Fort Worth Texas
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--- Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube
> <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>
> At 11:40 PM 5/15/2003, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: ""
> <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
> >
> >
> >All,
> >
> >I just bought an alligator pneumatic squeezer and
> am having several
> >problems. Any help would be appreciated:
>
> Here is a link to the Chicago Pneumatic
> Service sheet for their
> 214 type squeezers. It tells you how they work
> inside and how to fix them:
>
>
http://www.chicagopneumatic.com/cpdinternational/cpdproduct.nsf/e8814b395c9cf150802569cf00564525/7c2c16f112f989ed00256b6c00517c8e/$FILE/CP%200214.pdf
>
> >* Are there any unique tips to adjust the plunger
> dpeth? I read in the
> >archive to use washers, but that only allows so
> much adjustment. I also
> >heard of an adjustable stop that Avery makes, but I
> think it is 60 or 70
> >dollars.
>
> The adjustable stop only works for the "C"
> type squeezer, not for
> the alligator type.
>
> You can only add 3/16" adjustment at the
> most from washers. Beyond
> that, you must go to the next longer set.
>
> I bought a large alligator squeezer (CP 351
> with 9" jaws) and it
> had been modified. The jaw tips had been ground down
> so that ordinary
> length sets would not work. I re-worked the jaws by
> carefully machining a
> rod to replace the ground-off tip. I then welded the
> new tip, drilled the
> center hole using the original as a guide, then
> touched it all up with a
> die grinder and the belt sander. Works great now.
> Nice to have the 9" inch
> reach. You may have a similar problem with your
> squeezers.
>
> >* How do people keep the rivet from bending over
> when squeezing?
>
> If the rivet is too long for the sheet
> metal, and protrudes more
> than 1.5 times its diameter, there is no way to stop
> it from bending over.
>
> > Since one arm of the squeezer goes through an
> arc, it seems it would
> > always compress at a slight angle.
>
> You set up the squeezer by installing the
> sets and then closing
> the jaws with the lever. You then carefully measure
> the gap with the jaws
> at the fully closed position. When the jaws go to
> the stop, the sets should
> be square. The gap needs to be the rivet length
> minus 1.5 times its
> diameter. You then try it on a practice rivet in a
> scrap and make minor
> adjustments.
>
> >* Is 90 psi about right for the squeezer pressure
> setting?
>
> It may seem odd, but the air pressure
> doesn't matter a lot, as
> long as it is enough to get the full stroke. 90 psi
> is probably just fine.
> The squeezer gets its peak force using a cam and
> follower. For most of the
> travel, it does not have much force and moves quite
> rapidly. For the last
> 20% of the travel, the leverage changes
> significantly and the force gets
> really high.
>
>
> >I wonder if people using the c-type have the same
> problems. I bought this
> >tool to make life easier, but right now it is much
> harder. Between adding
> >and removing washers and angling rivets, I'm about
> ready to go back to the
> >old standby manual.
>
> Once you get it set up, you will never go
> back to the manual
> squeezers. Your rivets will look "factory" once you
> get the hang of using
> the pneumatic squeezer.
>
>
>
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"vansairforce" <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
| Subject: | Re: Toggle Switch |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
I found the name: Carling Technologies
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
<vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: Toggle Switch
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Anyone have a toggle switch from AeroElectric/B&C handy that can tell me the
name that is stamped on the side?
Thanks!
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A
www.vondane.com
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DEAR_SOMEBODY,
MIME_EXCESSIVE_QP@matronics.com, MIME_LONG_LINE_QP@matronics.com
--> RV-List message posted by: "Todd Wenzel" <TWenzel@Heartland-Software.com>
How does she feel when she sees our "sissy" military fighters, bombers,
transports, refuelers or when she pays money to ride on those "sissy"
commercial aircraft?
Todd Wenzel
Delafield, WI USA
RV-8AQB - Finish Kit
N900TW - Reserved
DO NOT ARCHIVE!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Schlotthauer [mailto:rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com]
Subject: RV-List: Advice on Wife
--> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer
--> <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
Dear List,
I received my RV-7 finish kit yesterday and my wife
(25 years old, cute, and loves RV's) was helping me
inventory the kit. For some reason there were two
really large, I mean huge, wheel pants and one normal
looking pant that was more the size I would expect.
After unpacking the entire kit, wondering if there
would be one more little pant, thinking maybe van was
giving the builder an option, I finally realized it
was a nose wheel pant (I am building the 7). I told
my wife this and she looked at me with disgust and
said, "They think we are building the sissy!". Well,
I was shocked to say the least. I am very
disappointed that my wife would say something so
derogatory about the nose draggers, I mean fine
configuration my fellow builders have chosen.
What would you married gentlemen suggest I say or not
say to her to explain that this attitude is totally unacceptable and
that even in it has training wheels it is still an RV.
-Ross Schlotthauer
PLEASE Do not archive!!
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direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
Drawing 19 shows the distance of various portions of the fuselage from the firewall.
Combine that info with the fact that the datum, or zero point for moment
calculations is 70" in front of the wing leading edge on the 8 and you can figure
the datum for any installation location once you locate the leading edge
on the drawing. As the drawing gives the location of the main spar, a measurement
on my AC puts the leading edge 16 1/4" forward of the front of the main
spar box which is at station 33 13/16. So, I convert station to datum by adding
70 + 16 1/4" - 33 13/16" 52 7/16" to the station.
Dave Reel - RV8A
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| Subject: | Re: real men drive trikes. was Advice on Wife |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Ross Schlotthauer wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
>
> Dear List,
>
> I received my RV-7 finish kit yesterday and my wife
> (25 years old, cute, and loves RV's) was helping me
> inventory the kit. For some reason there were two
> really large, I mean huge, wheel pants and one normal
> looking pant that was more the size I would expect.
> After unpacking the entire kit, wondering if there
> would be one more little pant, thinking maybe van was
> giving the builder an option, I finally realized it
> was a nose wheel pant (I am building the 7). I told
> my wife this and she looked at me with disgust and
> said, "They think we are building the sissy!". Well,
> I was shocked to say the least. I am very
> disappointed that my wife would say something so
> derogatory about the nose draggers, I mean fine
> configuration my fellow builders have chosen.
>
> What would you married gentlemen suggest I say or not
> say to her to explain that this attitude is totally
> unacceptable and that even in it has training wheels
> it is still an RV.
>
> -Ross Schlotthauer
>
Tell her anyone can fly a tailwheel airplane but "real men drive trikes"....
Phil
do not archive
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| Subject: | People's Reaction to Project |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Miller <rmill2000@yahoo.com>
Hi guys
Now that the kit is done, I find it interesting the reactions of people
around the airport when they see the finished plane. Maybe I've become a
bit jaded and maybe a bit sensitive--the way a wouldbe artist resents
those who question their work. But after experiencing dozens (hundreds?)
of people drop by the hanger, it becomes easy to lump them into the
following categories:
1. Wow!/Cool! Bunch--This guys have nothing but praise and astonishment.
They compliment constantly while asking common questions (how fast, engine
type, how long did it take, etc.). Always appreciate and be polite to
this bunch.
2. Died in the Wool Certified--Usually ignore you, you're in their way.
But can make statements like "what is that?"--Sky Chicken Driver or "I bet
that's a squirrelly little airplane?"--Bonanna Jerk. No new friends here.
Offer to race them.
3. Old Veteran--Makes a luke warm compliment ("I see you got it
painted")then offers advice for improvement and/or discusses their prior
experiences. A lot can be learned from these guys.
4. Green Meanies--These guys are envious, it's something they covet.
Expect the full spectrum emotions from hostility to even trying to steal a
piece of your handywork. "Take me to the XYZ airshow and I'll pay for
half the gas." Or even this from a wealthy Dr. who recently sold his
Mooney, "Sign here and agree to rent me your aircraft while you help build
one for me."--F.O. is an acceptable response.
5. DOers--Fellow builders that admire your accomplishment and are now
supremely motivated to get their projects in the air. Go help them buck
some rivets!
Any others?
Rob Miller -8 N262RM "Bad Cat" 62 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Toggle Switch |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 5/16/03 8:06:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bill@vondane.com
writes:
<< Anyone have a toggle switch from AeroElectric/B&C handy that can tell me
the name that is stamped on the side?
Thanks!
>>
I've got a spare 1-3 from B & C that is stamped CARLING. Hope that helps.
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, firewall forward
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--> RV-List message posted by: BBreckenridge@att.net
Looks like the folks at the plant are really getting excited about the "10"!
More pictures were posted this morning. It's looking really close to flying.
I might have to cancel my appointments for a few days, grab a sleeping
bag, run down to Aurora's airport and camp under my wife's c172...
Mike (Stewart): did you ever figure out which coffee maker would work in
your "altitudinally correct" RV? I bet there's room in the 10 for a full
espresso stand!!
Bruce Breckenridge
Clackamas, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Alligator Pneumatic Squeezer |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
At 10:00 AM 5/16/2003, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: glenn williams <willig10@yahoo.com>
>
>My suggestion to you is to sell or trade the
>"alligator" squeeze and spend the money on a "c"
>squeeze. You are going to have to configure the
>pneumatic c squeeze many times throughout the
>construction process and having to add shims or go to
>the next bigger rivet set and add or remove shims from
>the alligator is time consuming and frustrating to say
>the least, and with 9" jaws a bugger to handle. You
>are also going to have to fight the side play action
>that will want to throw the rivet shop head side over
>instead of a straight buck.
I own:
1) 214 C frame with three yokes
2) 214 alligator with 1.5" jaws
3) 351 with 9" jaws
When you buy on eBay, you can afford a LOT more tools. :-)
If I were to select a single squeezer to buy, I would definitely
pick the C frame, like you suggest.
There is no perceivable side play in either of the alligator
squeezers. The problem you are describing sounds like the jaws in your
squeezer are worn out and perhaps mis-aligned.
You are right in that the 9" 351 would be unwieldy if you tried
to operate it hand-held. It weighs about 30 pounds. I never operate
hand-held. It is designed to be bench mounted and operated by a cable with
a foot treadle. There is even a hole drilled in the lever for the cable
straight from the factory. Watch your fingers!
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--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: BBreckenridge@att.net
>
>Looks like the folks at the plant are really getting excited about the
>"10"!
>More pictures were posted this morning. It's looking really close to
>flying.
You know, as someone who has no interest in building one and someone who
didn't think the drawings were that attractive, I have to say that the
real thing is a darn nice looking airplane. I think the fuselage/cabin
top, especially, has a very graceful line.
For a 4 seat, fixed gear, tricycle airplane, I can't think of a nicer
looking one. Compare to Grumman Cheetah. The closest in looks would be
one of the new standard category glass ships like the Cirrus.
Do not archive
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
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| Subject: | Re: People's Reaction to Project |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Rob:
You forgot the one that I get occasionally....
"You meen you are actually going to get INTO that THING and fly it??!!
Guess I better start looking for another dentist!"
Yeah, yeah....Now open up and let me fill that cavity with a nice AN470
AD6-7 3/16th in rivet! Now where is that rivet gun........
Do Not Archive
Regards,
Jeffrey W. Orear, DDS
RV6A
fuselage (waiting on finish kit)
Peshtigo, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Miller" <rmill2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: People's Reaction to Project
> --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Miller <rmill2000@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi guys
>
> Now that the kit is done, I find it interesting the reactions of people
> around the airport when they see the finished plane. Maybe I've become a
> bit jaded and maybe a bit sensitive--the way a wouldbe artist resents
> those who question their work. But after experiencing dozens (hundreds?)
> of people drop by the hanger, it becomes easy to lump them into the
> following categories:
>
> 1. Wow!/Cool! Bunch--This guys have nothing but praise and astonishment.
> They compliment constantly while asking common questions (how fast, engine
> type, how long did it take, etc.). Always appreciate and be polite to
> this bunch.
>
> 2. Died in the Wool Certified--Usually ignore you, you're in their way.
> But can make statements like "what is that?"--Sky Chicken Driver or "I bet
> that's a squirrelly little airplane?"--Bonanna Jerk. No new friends here.
> Offer to race them.
>
> 3. Old Veteran--Makes a luke warm compliment ("I see you got it
> painted")then offers advice for improvement and/or discusses their prior
> experiences. A lot can be learned from these guys.
>
> 4. Green Meanies--These guys are envious, it's something they covet.
> Expect the full spectrum emotions from hostility to even trying to steal a
> piece of your handywork. "Take me to the XYZ airshow and I'll pay for
> half the gas." Or even this from a wealthy Dr. who recently sold his
> Mooney, "Sign here and agree to rent me your aircraft while you help build
> one for me."--F.O. is an acceptable response.
>
> 5. DOers--Fellow builders that admire your accomplishment and are now
> supremely motivated to get their projects in the air. Go help them buck
> some rivets!
>
> Any others?
>
> Rob Miller -8 N262RM "Bad Cat" 62 hours
>
>
> __________________________________
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: real men drive trikes. was Advice on Wife |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
> >
>
> Tell her anyone can fly a tailwheel airplane but "real men drive
trikes"....
>
> Phil
Can't you lose your medical certificate if they find out you smoke too much
crack? :-)
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Fuselage
http://www.myrv7.com
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on Wife |
--> RV-List message posted by: Garry LeGare <versadek@earthlink.net>
Great Ross, now you've done it. I sure hope you are wearing your flame proof
suite.
Casper
Do not archive
Ross Schlotthauer wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
>
> Dear List,
>
> I received my RV-7 finish kit yesterday and my wife
> (25 years old, cute, and loves RV's) was helping me
> inventory the kit. For some reason there were two
> really large, I mean huge, wheel pants and one normal
> looking pant that was more the size I would expect.
> After unpacking the entire kit, wondering if there
> would be one more little pant, thinking maybe van was
> giving the builder an option, I finally realized it
> was a nose wheel pant (I am building the 7). I told
> my wife this and she looked at me with disgust and
> said, "They think we are building the sissy!". Well,
> I was shocked to say the least. I am very
> disappointed that my wife would say something so
> derogatory about the nose draggers, I mean fine
> configuration my fellow builders have chosen.
>
> What would you married gentlemen suggest I say or not
> say to her to explain that this attitude is totally
> unacceptable and that even in it has training wheels
> it is still an RV.
>
> -Ross Schlotthauer
>
> PLEASE Do not archive!!
>
> __________________________________
> http://search.yahoo.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on Wife |
--> RV-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
In a message dated 5/16/2003 11:22:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com writes:
> Dear List,
>
> I received my RV-7 finish kit yesterday and my wife
> (25 years old, cute, and loves RV's) was helping me
> inventory the kit. For some reason there were two
> really large, I mean huge, wheel pants and one normal
> looking pant that was more the size I would expect.
> After unpacking the entire kit, wondering if there
> would be one more little pant, thinking maybe van was
> giving the builder an option, I finally realized it
> was a nose wheel pant (I am building the 7). I told
> my wife this and she looked at me with disgust and
> said, "They think we are building the sissy!". Well,
> I was shocked to say the least. I am very
> disappointed that my wife would say something so
> derogatory about the nose draggers, I mean fine
> configuration my fellow builders have chosen.
>
> What would you married gentlemen suggest I say or not
> say to her to explain that this attitude is totally
> unacceptable and that even in it has training wheels
> it is still an RV.
>
> -Ross Schlotthauer
>
> PLEASE Do not archive!!
>
I think what I would tell her is that "Darling, a lot of those planes are
flying right now and we are only doing our first inventory" !!!!!!!
Len Leggette RV-8A
N901LL
Greensboro, N.C.
73 hours !!
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--> RV-List message posted by: Roger Embree <rembree@sympatico.ca>
Looks like a scaled down Navion with a turtledeck to me.
do not archive
Roger Embree
RV4 C-GIRH
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--> RV-List message posted by: Steven Eberhart <newtech@newtech.com>
Where are the lights? The only thing that looks like it might
accommodate a light is the molded rudder end cap. The wing tips don't
look like they have the recesses molded in.
Steve Eberhart
RV-7A ready to rivet the wing skins on the first wing.
BBreckenridge@att.net wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: BBreckenridge@att.net
>
> Looks like the folks at the plant are really getting excited about the "10"!
> More pictures were posted this morning. It's looking really close to flying.
> I might have to cancel my appointments for a few days, grab a sleeping
> bag, run down to Aurora's airport and camp under my wife's c172...
>
> Mike (Stewart): did you ever figure out which coffee maker would work in
> your "altitudinally correct" RV? I bet there's room in the 10 for a full
> espresso stand!!
>
> Bruce Breckenridge
> Clackamas, OR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | how to tee -4 tubing into -6 tubing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
What's the best way to tee -4 (1/4") tubing into -6 (3/8") tubing?
The best I could come up with so far is a contraption that involves:
a - AN824-6D flared tee fitting
b - on the 3rd outlet use AN818/AN819-6D flared nut/sleeve
c - a short length of 3/8" tubing
d - AN818/AN819-6D flared nut sleeve
e - AN919-4D reducer (i.e. to 1/4")
f - AN818/AN819-4D flared nut sleeve
g - 1/4" tubing
...but I want to avoid that length of 3/8" tubing just to transition. Seems
way overly complicated. There must be a simple way that I'm missing.
Thanks in advance,
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: waxing the airframe: handling effects |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Rejex has to be some name brand silicon based or similar product just
repackaged... but, I bought a bottle. Will have to try it out. Things like
this are all about perception/marketing. How else could people make
millions selling air (indust breathing) and water (Ozarka)!? Capitalism;
good!!
do not archive
Bryan Jones -8
Pearland, Texas
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Bertsch <noms1reqd@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Here is a link to the study on plane waxing done by the Cafe Foundation.
> > http://www.cafefoundation.org/aprs/Wax%20Job%20with%20PICT.pdf
> >
> > Bill, what brand of wax did you use?
> >
> > Anyone have a favorite wax that they strongly recommend? Has anyone
>tried
>the Rejex stuff and what do you think? I know one fellow who swears by it,
>and another that says it is just an overpriced wax and to stick with the
>basics.
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| Subject: | Re: People's Reaction to Project |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twsurveyor@msn.com>
I told a friend of mine I was building an airplane. His response upon first
seeing my Horz. Stab. in my shop was "that's the biggest model airplane I
ever saw". I told him I was glad to see his wife wasn't as fat as she used
to be!
Tommy Walker
6A Finishing
Ridgetop, TN
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Miller" <rmill2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: People's Reaction to Project
> --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Miller <rmill2000@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi guys
>
> Now that the kit is done, I find it interesting the reactions of people
> around the airport when they see the finished plane. Maybe I've become a
> bit jaded and maybe a bit sensitive--the way a wouldbe artist resents
> those who question their work. But after experiencing dozens (hundreds?)
> of people drop by the hanger, it becomes easy to lump them into the
> following categories:
>
> 1. Wow!/Cool! Bunch--This guys have nothing but praise and astonishment.
> They compliment constantly while asking common questions (how fast, engine
> type, how long did it take, etc.). Always appreciate and be polite to
> this bunch.
>
> 2. Died in the Wool Certified--Usually ignore you, you're in their way.
> But can make statements like "what is that?"--Sky Chicken Driver or "I bet
> that's a squirrelly little airplane?"--Bonanna Jerk. No new friends here.
> Offer to race them.
>
> 3. Old Veteran--Makes a luke warm compliment ("I see you got it
> painted")then offers advice for improvement and/or discusses their prior
> experiences. A lot can be learned from these guys.
>
> 4. Green Meanies--These guys are envious, it's something they covet.
> Expect the full spectrum emotions from hostility to even trying to steal a
> piece of your handywork. "Take me to the XYZ airshow and I'll pay for
> half the gas." Or even this from a wealthy Dr. who recently sold his
> Mooney, "Sign here and agree to rent me your aircraft while you help build
> one for me."--F.O. is an acceptable response.
>
> 5. DOers--Fellow builders that admire your accomplishment and are now
> supremely motivated to get their projects in the air. Go help them buck
> some rivets!
>
> Any others?
>
> Rob Miller -8 N262RM "Bad Cat" 62 hours
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://search.yahoo.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner install on Hartzell C/S |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
First question: NO ! ! !
We, Gummibear and I have mounted a spinner three times. The first time was
during construction. The second was the same spinner and plate after it had
made contact with the cowl. Repaired same and re-installed. Backing plate
was cracked and the spinner "wobbled". Bought the second spinner/backing
plate from Mark (F-1 fame). Much better plate and spinner than the first
one. "HIGHLY" recommend this one. (This one had a forward bulkhead support
that is a tight fit on the prop hub nose piece).
In all the cases we put a pointer soildly mounted to almost touch the
pointed end of the spinner. With switch off (key removed) we pulled the top
plugs and slowly rotated the engine by hand. Centered spinner on pointer
(adjusted pointer and spinner several times) until the engine was turned and
the pointer and the spinner points were in line. Held the spinner on the
backing place with cleko clamps until perfect alignment obtained then
drilled holes for regular cleko's.
The other method to align spinner and not turn the engine would be to
somehow suspend the aircraft and rotate the whole thing using the same fix
pointer. 8+) What's the problem with rotating the engine ? We pulled the
plugs to eliminate the airframe "shake" against compression. KABONG
(GBA) HRII Flying. Please Archive, this might help someone in the future.
----- Original Message -----
From: <DWENSING@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Spinner install on Hartzell C/S
> --> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
>
> When installing the spinner on a Hartzell C/S model HC-C2YK-1BF ......Is
it
> safe to assume that when the spinner is firmly seated against the front
> bulkhead and aligned with the back plate that the nose of the spinner is
> concentric with the crankshaft? I do not want to rotate the engine to
check
> this out.
> Dale Ensing
>
>
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| Subject: | Fw: [SoCAL-RVlist] how to tee -4 tubing into -6 tubing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Got this on the other list...wanted to pass it on since it's the perfect
solution for my problem.
)_( Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: <lessdragprod@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [SoCAL-RVlist] how to tee -4 tubing into -6 tubing
> You could create your own Tee using an AN917-3D internal pipe thread Tee
with
> AN816-6D and AN816-6-6D Nipples.
>
> Jim Ayers
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
Drawing 19 shows the distance of various portions of the fuselage from the firewall.
Combine that info with the fact that the datum, or zero point for moment
calculations is 70" in front of the wing leading edge on the 8 and you can figure
the datum for any installation location once you locate the leading edge
on the drawing. As the drawing gives the location of the main spar, a measurement
on my AC puts the leading edge 16 1/4" forward of the front of the main
spar box which is at station 33 13/16. So, I convert station to datum by adding
70 + 16 1/4" - 33 13/16" 52 7/16" to the station.
Dave Reel - RV8A
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| Subject: | Stats on Trikes/Conventional |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
I decided on a nosedragger because of a little inside info I happen to have
access to.
After monitoring all of the insurance salvage pool sales of airplanes for a
long time. I tracked the RV series that had been totaled by the insurance
companies and found the following.
Conventional gear - tail draggers = 73%
Tri-gear - nose draggers = 25%
Statistically unknowns = 2%
I'm not trying to start a type war, but if I can see a trend, you can bet
that the insurance underwritters can.
Mike Stephenson
RV-6A # 60388
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| Subject: | Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
Mike Stephenson wrote:
> After monitoring all of the insurance salvage pool sales of airplanes for a
> long time. I tracked the RV series that had been totaled by the insurance
> companies and found the following.
>
> Conventional gear - tail draggers = 73%
> Tri-gear - nose draggers = 25%
> Statistically unknowns = 2%
I'm not going to say that your point is valid or invalid but your statistics
are useless. It doesn't account for the number of tail draggers vs nose
draggers flying. If there are say for example 90% of flying RVs that are tail
draggers and 10% nose draggers then the above suggests that tail draggers are
less likely to be totaled. Now I'm not saying that is the number of tail vs
nose dragger I just made them up. The point is that is something you have to
know to make any kind of determination.
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
chrisw@programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
Does anyone know where I can buy these dimmer switches? And how much
they are?
http://www.carlingtech.com/products/switches/ld_series.asp
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
chrisw@programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Vans Aircraft" <van@entechnos.com>
What is the purpose of the little door in the roof of the RV-10? I
noticed in the pictures that it is in a position that should be a low
pressure area in flight.
Bert
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner install on Hartzell C/S |
--> RV-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
In a message dated 5/16/03 3:32:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jhstarn@earthlink.net writes:
> What's the problem with rotating the engine ? We pulled the
> plugs to eliminate the airframe "shake" against compression.
The engine still has the long term storage prep. and I don't anticipate
starting it for several months. Thanks for the info. Guess I can delay doing
spinner until nearly ready to start engine the first time.
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | how to tee -4 tubing into -6 tubing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Dan,
There is a female reducer fitting that would have a male 1/4" flared fitting
on one side and a female 3/8" flare fitting (like the nut) on the other.
It's shown in that little brown handbook, but when I went to Kenmore Air
Harbor, it seemed to be the only fitting they didn't have it and they said
they didn't like to use it. You might find it at Wicks or Aircraft Spruce.
I had plenty of room to do just what you suggest. This was for the purge
valve return line for my Airflow Performance fuel injector.
Terry
RV-8A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Subject: RV-List: how to tee -4 tubing into -6 tubing
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
What's the best way to tee -4 (1/4") tubing into -6 (3/8") tubing?
The best I could come up with so far is a contraption that involves:
a - AN824-6D flared tee fitting
b - on the 3rd outlet use AN818/AN819-6D flared nut/sleeve
c - a short length of 3/8" tubing
d - AN818/AN819-6D flared nut sleeve
e - AN919-4D reducer (i.e. to 1/4")
f - AN818/AN819-4D flared nut sleeve
g - 1/4" tubing
...but I want to avoid that length of 3/8" tubing just to transition. Seems
way overly complicated. There must be a simple way that I'm missing.
Thanks in advance,
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
Mike Stephenson wrote:
> Conventional gear - tail draggers = 73%
> Tri-gear - nose draggers = 25%
> Statistically unknowns = 2%
>
> I'm not trying to start a type war, but if I can see a trend, you can bet
> that the insurance underwritters can.
While these salvage stats may be accurate, they're meaningless on their
own. If the percentage of RV's being built is a 75/25 split in favour
of taildraggers, then the salvage stats only reflect that of N airplanes
built, some number n (which is smaller than N) crash. So what?
I'm sure the insurance companies can tell you that waaaaay more Boeing
products have crashed than have Concordes, too. But does that
information mean anything?
-RB4
rv7 "at" b4.ca
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Stats on Trikes/Conventional |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Mike,
The only way for those statistics to be meaningful would be to know how long
the various models have been flying. There were no nosegear versions of the
3 or the 4, and I expect that the 6A came along after the 6 and I know that
the 8A came after the 8. To be fair, we would have to know the flying hours
by type. It would be very surprising if there were more nose gear aircraft
totaled than taildraggers. We would expect there to be more totaled
taildraggers, even if they were less prone to be totaled than trikes.
Terry
RV-8A finishing (for the next couple of years!)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Stephenson
Subject: RV-List: Stats on Trikes/Conventional
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
I decided on a nosedragger because of a little inside info I happen to have
access to.
After monitoring all of the insurance salvage pool sales of airplanes for a
long time. I tracked the RV series that had been totaled by the insurance
companies and found the following.
Conventional gear - tail draggers = 73%
Tri-gear - nose draggers = 25%
Statistically unknowns = 2%
I'm not trying to start a type war, but if I can see a trend, you can bet
that the insurance underwritters can.
Mike Stephenson
RV-6A # 60388
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| Subject: | Re: how to tee -4 tubing into -6 tubing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
Dan ... a fairly clean way of doing this with only 2 parts would be to use
the following....
A Male Branch Tee fitting (AN-6 on the straight run and 1/4 NPT male on the
branch)
Part # 3285-04-06 $12.89
And a 1/4 NPT female to AN-4 male adapter on the brach of the above T
Part # 3254-04-04S $2.99
Or use a normal AN-6 Tee and this AN-6 Female to AN-4 Male adapter - it
does require an O-ring to seal this combo. though
Part # 3249-06-04 $8.49
These are Earls racing AN fittings and the price reference is from
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pdfs/072.pdf
and
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pdfs/070.pdf
The race guys use fittings that don't have actual AN part numbers, and have
more options. They are just as well made as the AN hardware.
gil in Tucson
RV-6A, #20701 VSB (Very Slow Build) kit .. working on cockpit interior
PS .. you have a great web site ... used your pictures to reference the
new RV-7/9 parts I bought for my old RV-6 kit. The weather decoding and
presentation is the best I've seen anywhere.
At 12:19 PM 5/16/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>What's the best way to tee -4 (1/4") tubing into -6 (3/8") tubing?
>
>The best I could come up with so far is a contraption that involves:
>
>a - AN824-6D flared tee fitting
>b - on the 3rd outlet use AN818/AN819-6D flared nut/sleeve
>c - a short length of 3/8" tubing
>d - AN818/AN819-6D flared nut sleeve
>e - AN919-4D reducer (i.e. to 1/4")
>f - AN818/AN819-4D flared nut sleeve
>g - 1/4" tubing
>
>...but I want to avoid that length of 3/8" tubing just to transition. Seems
>way overly complicated. There must be a simple way that I'm missing.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
Chris, you have a good point. It would be interesting to know the total of
each that are flying. I wonder if anyone has that info from Van's. You are
wrong as far as my stats being useless. Right or wrong I finally made up my
mind. They were not useless to me. :)
Mike Stephenson
> I'm not going to say that your point is valid or invalid but your
statistics
> are useless. It doesn't account for the number of tail draggers vs nose
> draggers flying. If there are say for example 90% of flying RVs that are
tail
> draggers and 10% nose draggers then the above suggests that tail draggers
are
> less likely to be totaled. Now I'm not saying that is the number of tail
vs
> nose dragger I just made them up. The point is that is something you have
to
> know to make any kind of determination.
>
>
> --
> Chris Woodhouse
> 3147 SW 127th St.
> Oklahoma City, OK 73170
> 405-691-5206
> chrisw@programmer.net
> N35 20.492'
> W97 34.342'
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty
> to obtain a little temporary safety
> deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
That is not an accurate comparison as the tailwheel RV was being built
MANY years before a siss-- I mean a trike RV was designed. Your trend
means nothing, zilch, noda without comparing how many of each and how
many hours are flown on each type.
Jerry
Mike Stephenson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
>
> I decided on a nosedragger because of a little inside info I happen to have
> access to.
>
> After monitoring all of the insurance salvage pool sales of airplanes for a
> long time. I tracked the RV series that had been totaled by the insurance
> companies and found the following.
>
> Conventional gear - tail draggers = 73%
> Tri-gear - nose draggers = 25%
> Statistically unknowns = 2%
>
> I'm not trying to start a type war, but if I can see a trend, you can bet
> that the insurance underwritters can.
>
> Mike Stephenson
> RV-6A # 60388
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: waxing the airframe: handling effects |
--> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
FWIW, I used Meguiar's liquid wax. I don't know that it makes any difference.
I first buffed the clearcoat til it was noticably smoother than before (it had
never been polished or rubbed out since new). How much differenc is due to
wax, how much to smoothing the clearcoat, and how much is in my head is hard
to tell.
-Bill
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: waxing the airframe: handling effects |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David.vonLinsowe" <David.vonLinsowe@delphi.com>
Jeff,
The stuff that I use is called Finish 2000, bright green bottle, and it works great
on canopies too. I've used it on every finish from dope to urethanes. It
does take some of the shine from polished aluminum though.
For the modelers out there, it works great on Monokote too.
Dave
RV-6
The need for (more) speed
Time: 09:53:12 PM PST US
From: Jeff Bertsch <noms1reqd@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: waxing the airframe: handling effects
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Bertsch <noms1reqd@yahoo.com>
Here is a link to the study on plane waxing done by the Cafe Foundation.
http://www.cafefoundation.org/aprs/Wax%20Job%20with%20PICT.pdf
Bill, what brand of wax did you use?
Anyone have a favorite wax that they strongly recommend? Has anyone tried the
Rejex stuff and what do you think? I know one fellow who swears by it, and another
that says it is just an overpriced wax and to stick with the basics.
Jeff Bertsch
noms1reqd@swbell.net
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| Subject: | Pre-OSH gathering????? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
It is with great trepidation that I write this........
I was speaking with our Convention Visitors Bureau director and Airport
manager about hosting a type club flyin at our airport.
We are having a meeting about this and I offered to find out how much
interest would there be in a Pre-OSH gathering and "maybe" a mass RV arrival
at OSH.
MCW is 213 nm SW of OSH. We have acres of nice grass and tarmac for tiedown
and camping.
We are not talking about a convention, just a place to spend the night and
stage from?
We would arrange good rates for fuel and rooms, hotel transportation, and
maybe even some liquid libation in my hanger!!!
Both Mason City and Clear Lake are right next door so we have tons of
Lots of other groups do it in other Iowa towns because of our 1 tank of gas
proximity to OSH and our excellent hospitaility.
Any takers? Any thoughts on what night would be best? If it was later in
the week early OSH arrivals could fly out for a night, and fly back.
This is not a commitment on my part, just a query for others.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
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| Subject: | Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
Mike:
As the saying goes, you can prove anything with statistics TO SOMEONE WHO
DOESN'T UNDERSTAND STATISTICS.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
-6 wings
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| Subject: | Re: Eyeball Swivel Vent |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Will he be at Oshkosh with his vents ??
Gert
Al Mojzisik wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Al Mojzisik <prober@iwaynet.net>
>
> That was the guy I shared a booth with at Sun-N-Fun Here's the info.
>
> Contact Todd Reiffers at (317) 576-9565
> or dharmon@iquest.net or www.tail-mate.com before you get any
> vents. He has a friend who makes vents exactly like Van's but in all
> aluminum. They are a work of art and close so tight that NO air gets
> through when you don't want it. They aren't cheap but what is for an
> airplane? HTH, Al
>
> At 10:10 PM 5/15/03 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
>>
>>Some Rocket guy had some very large all Aluminum ones for sale at SNF this
>>year. I met him at the beer tent but don't recall his name. He was asking
>>somewhere around $135 each for them but they were very nice.... Vents seem
>>overpriced to me, but compared to others they were well worth it. Maybe
>>someone on the rocket list knows who this was and has contact information?
>>If so, please cross post on the RV-List. Thanks
>>-Mike Kraus
>>N223RV
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dimmer swithc |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Flexible Electroluminescent Lighting, 888 457-0117"
<beingseen@attbi.com>
Hello,
You can find those dimmer switches at www.mouser.com
Just look up "carling" and go from there.
thanks
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris W" <chrisw3@cox.net>
Subject: RV-List: Dimmer swithc
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
>
> Does anyone know where I can buy these dimmer switches? And how much
> they are?
>
> http://www.carlingtech.com/products/switches/ld_series.asp
>
> --
> Chris Woodhouse
> 3147 SW 127th St.
> Oklahoma City, OK 73170
> 405-691-5206
> chrisw@programmer.net
> N35 20.492'
> W97 34.342'
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty
> to obtain a little temporary safety
> deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Toggle Switch |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Meketa" <acgm@gvtc.com>
> Anyone have a toggle switch from AeroElectric/B&C handy that can tell me
the name that is stamped on the side?
>
> Thanks!
Hello Yall
All the accessory single pull switches on my plane are the Carlings
switches supplied by B&C. After a failure I would not use them
again.
I had a strobe fuse blow after 213 hours. A shorted switch was the
cause. The problem was in the way the 1/4" push on lugs are
riveted/staked to the switch. The rivet in the center where the switch
rocket pivot rides was slightly loose causing high resistance and heat.
When heated the small rocker inside distorted and contacted the case.
All the push on terminals were high quality connectors and in good
condition. On my next project only the higher quality and more expensive
switches with screw on terminals will be used.
This is not to say that they should not be used, just that I will not be
using
them. If they are used they should be carefully inspected for loose push on
lug rivets and only the highest quality terminals and good crimping
practices
should be used. Terminals of inferior quality can result in the same type of
failure by heating up the lug. I would also not use them for any high
current
draw or neccessary items. (fuel pump, pitot heat, mags, etc.)
Just my opinion
George Meketa
RV8, N444TX, 303.4 hours
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Gordon" <dirtyrottenscoundrels@attbi.com>
Hi,
Will anyone else have their RV at Dare County Airport during the Kittyhawk
Centential events?
-Glenn Gordon
RV-6, N442E
80 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Dimmer swithc |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
Neither Mouser.com or digikey.com have that series dimmer switch.
"Flexible Electroluminescent Lighting, 888 457-0117" wrote:
> You can find those dimmer switches at www.mouser.com
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
> >
> > Does anyone know where I can buy these dimmer switches? And how much
> > they are?
> >
> > http://www.carlingtech.com/products/switches/ld_series.asp
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
Since the insurance underwriter sets the premiums we all pay, how could you
say it means nothing. They don't care about comparing anything except their
profits.
Mike Stephenson
> That is not an accurate comparison as the tailwheel RV was being built
> MANY years before a siss-- I mean a trike RV was designed. Your trend
> means nothing, zilch, noda without comparing how many of each and how
> many hours are flown on each type.
>
> Jerry
>
> Mike Stephenson wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
> >
> > I decided on a nosedragger because of a little inside info I happen to
have
> > access to.
> >
> > After monitoring all of the insurance salvage pool sales of airplanes
for a
> > long time. I tracked the RV series that had been totaled by the
insurance
> > companies and found the following.
> >
> > Conventional gear - tail draggers = 73%
> > Tri-gear - nose draggers = 25%
> > Statistically unknowns = 2%
> >
> > I'm not trying to start a type war, but if I can see a trend, you can
bet
> > that the insurance underwritters can.
> >
> > Mike Stephenson
> > RV-6A # 60388
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
I could care less about proving anything to anyone. I happen to prefer the
tail dragger. Bought a tricycle based on data and the amount of out go I am
willing to let go of.
By the way, thanks for the warm welcome to this talk list.
Regards,
Mike Stephenson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tedd McHenry" <tedd@vansairforce.org>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Stats on Trikes/Conventional
> --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
>
> Mike:
>
> As the saying goes, you can prove anything with statistics TO SOMEONE WHO
> DOESN'T UNDERSTAND STATISTICS.
>
> Tedd McHenry
> Surrey, BC
> -6 wings
>
>
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| Subject: | Wing cooling (another wacky idea) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
I know that there are very few water-cooled aircraft, but does anyone know
if any (in history, not just RVs) have been successfully cooled using the
wings as heat exchangers?
I did a few back-of-the-envelope calculations, and it appears to be
theoretically possible to transfer the waste heat of a 200 HP engine to the
air using just the wing surface of an RV. There seems to be more than
enough surface area to do it. The idea is to transfer the heat to the front
and rear spars with coolant tubes and then out to the skins via conduction.
Perhaps there might be one or two more coolant tubes inside the skins, if
need be.
I was interested to know if anyone had attempted this in the past.
It could significantly reduce the cooling drag, if it worked. Also, the
thermal mass of the wings and structure would really help during climb-out.
The tubes and coolant could weigh close to the same as a conventional
radiator, perhaps less if you include the radiator mounts and plenum.
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| Subject: | Re: Eyeball Swivel Vent |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
Good enough- if anyone has a couple they'd like to unload, let me know &
we'll swap stuff! (my $ for yer i-balls)
Mark - do not archive -
Dave Bristol wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
>
> I don't know why people don't like the eyeballs that Van's sells - they
> look good and work very well.
>
> Dave
> do not archive
>
>
> Wallace Enga w
>
>
> Wallace Enga wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Wallace Enga <wenga@svtv.com>
>>
>>
>>I didn't like Van's plastic air vents so ordered the
>>eyeball swivel vents from Aircraft Spruce.
>>
>>However these vents have a nozzle outlet of only
>>about 7/8" diam compared to 1.5 " diam for Vans
>>or about 40% of the outlet area.
>>
>>Anyone tried using these --- will they provide sufficient
>>air on a warm day?
>>
>>Wally Enga
>>RV7
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: [SoCAL-RVlist] how to tee -4 tubing into -6 tubing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
That's exactly what I ended up doing...
http://images.rvproject.com/images/2003/20030516_afp_purge_tee.jpg
...and in case that URL wraps:
http://checkoway.com/url/?s=3e3f4ce2
Note that the fittings are just finger tight in the photo...I haven't
final-assembled and fuelubed (EZ-Turn) it yet.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "hmtflr" <hmtflr@uia.net>
Subject: Re: [SoCAL-RVlist] how to tee -4 tubing into -6 tubing
> I would use a AN917-2D pipe threaded tee with two AN816-6D nipples and
oneAN816-4-4D nipples along with the Correct flared coupling nuts & sleeves.
Reducing tees (flared) are available but difficult to find.
> -----------hmtflr
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Hey, if you're going to total a plane, you may as well look good doing it.
8
)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
)_( Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
Subject: RV-List: Stats on Trikes/Conventional
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
>
> I decided on a nosedragger because of a little inside info I happen to
have
> access to.
>
> After monitoring all of the insurance salvage pool sales of airplanes for
a
> long time. I tracked the RV series that had been totaled by the insurance
> companies and found the following.
>
> Conventional gear - tail draggers = 73%
> Tri-gear - nose draggers = 25%
> Statistically unknowns = 2%
>
> I'm not trying to start a type war, but if I can see a trend, you can bet
> that the insurance underwritters can.
>
> Mike Stephenson
> RV-6A # 60388
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: smallest eyeball vents? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> I got the "no-flange" eyeball vent from the Lancair (Columbia) guys. Their
> supplier is Kit Components. See
> www.kitcomponents.com
Bummer...just spoke to them today and the no-flange ventilators were
discontinued. However...they mentioned they have an aluminum eyeball
ventilator that's about 1 1/8" square with a 1 3/4" flange. $120 each.
Has anybody used these? Sure sounds nice and compact. Would just like to
hear a review before I plop down the bucks.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: how to tee -4 tubing into -6 tubing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
I haven't used the aluminum AN fittings before but I have used a lot of steel
hydraulic fittings, that use the same 37 degree flair, and with the steel
fittings a reducer to reduce from a male 6 to a male 4 is a pretty common
fitting, and an easy solution to your problem. If you can't find an aluminum an
fitting I don't see any reason to not use a steel reducer, it will only add a
few grams. The Parker part number for that fitting would be 6-4 TRTXN it is a
two piece fitting.
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
chrisw@programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
One note of caution on this subject, by adding weight in the tail or any
other point distant from the centre of mass of the aircraft (wing tip
tanks also come to mind) the polar moment of inertia will also increase.
Effects of this increase will be in the ability of the aircraft to enter
a spin (good) and recover from a spin (bad). I have heard a story about
a Pitts being unable to recover from a spin due modest added weight in
the tail.
If at all possible relocate the battery rather than adding weight in the
tail.
Doug Gray
>
> Anyone done up a weight and balance spreadsheet that includes the ARM for adding
weight in the tail?
>
> Does anyone have the arms for the tail area of an RV-8?
>
> Thanks!
>
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on Wife |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
But Todd, all of those that you mentioned were built for work - not fun,
you know like a wheelbarrow! 8 >)
Dave, RV6 of course!
do not archive
Todd Wenzel wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Todd Wenzel" <TWenzel@Heartland-Software.com>
>
>How does she feel when she sees our "sissy" military fighters, bombers,
>transports, refuelers or when she pays money to ride on those "sissy"
>commercial aircraft?
>
>Todd Wenzel
>Delafield, WI USA
>RV-8AQB - Finish Kit
>N900TW - Reserved
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE!!
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ross Schlotthauer [mailto:rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com]
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Advice on Wife
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer
>--> <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
>
>Dear List,
>
>I received my RV-7 finish kit yesterday and my wife
>(25 years old, cute, and loves RV's) was helping me
>inventory the kit. For some reason there were two
>really large, I mean huge, wheel pants and one normal
>looking pant that was more the size I would expect.
>After unpacking the entire kit, wondering if there
>would be one more little pant, thinking maybe van was
>giving the builder an option, I finally realized it
>was a nose wheel pant (I am building the 7). I told
>my wife this and she looked at me with disgust and
>said, "They think we are building the sissy!". Well,
>I was shocked to say the least. I am very
>disappointed that my wife would say something so
>derogatory about the nose draggers, I mean fine
>configuration my fellow builders have chosen.
>
>What would you married gentlemen suggest I say or not
>say to her to explain that this attitude is totally unacceptable and
>that even in it has training wheels it is still an RV.
>
>-Ross Schlotthauer
>
>PLEASE Do not archive!!
>
>__________________________________
>http://search.yahoo.com
>
>
>direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on Wife |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
Ross- I don't know about the "gentlemen" part, but perhaps you could
just tell her that what pants you wear don't matter- it's what's in them
that counts.........oh yeah- this applies to airplanes, too!
Lawd Have Mercy do not archive !
Mark
Ross Schlotthauer wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer@yahoo.com>
> What would you married gentlemen suggest I say or not
> say to her to explain that this attitude is totally
> unacceptable and that even in it has training wheels
> it is still an RV.
>
> -Ross Schlotthauer
>
> PLEASE Do not archive!!
>
> __________________________________
> http://search.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Pre-OSH gathering????? |
--> RV-List message posted by: eregensburg <eregensburg@triad.rr.com>
I might be interested depending on weather
Ed Regensburg
N925RV - RV6A
>On Fri, 16 May 2003 17:11:16 -0500 "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
wrote.
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
>It is with great trepidation that I write this........
>
>I was speaking with our Convention Visitors Bureau director and Airport
>manager about hosting a type club flyin at our airport.
>
>We are having a meeting about this and I offered to find out how much
>interest would there be in a Pre-OSH gathering and "maybe" a mass RV
arrival
>at OSH.
>
>MCW is 213 nm SW of OSH. We have acres of nice grass and tarmac for tiedown
>and camping.
>
>We are not talking about a convention, just a place to spend the night and
>stage from?
>
>We would arrange good rates for fuel and rooms, hotel transportation, and
>maybe even some liquid libation in my hanger!!!
>
>Both Mason City and Clear Lake are right next door so we have tons of
>
>Lots of other groups do it in other Iowa towns because of our 1 tank of gas
>proximity to OSH and our excellent hospitaility.
>
>Any takers? Any thoughts on what night would be best? If it was later in
>the week early OSH arrivals could fly out for a night, and fly back.
>
>This is not a commitment on my part, just a query for others.
>
>Tailwinds,
>
>Doug Rozendaal
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Eyeball Swivel Vent |
--> RV-List message posted by: Al Mojzisik <prober@iwaynet.net>
As far as I know the answer is no. After a disappointing Sun-N-Fun Todd
said he wasn't going to go to Oshkosh. I'll be there in booth 2011B
again. Don't know if Randy Simpson with his Titanium Ti-Downs is going
though. I've tried to contact him with no response. Anyone know if he is
still around? Paul Besing is doing flight training in the army so I don't
think KitlogPro is going to be there either unless Steve is going. I
haven't heard from him either.
If you want to get more Info about the metal vents, Todd said to use the
following email address>>>> airkitllc@yahoo.com <<<< It may actually
be the manufacturer. the one thing I can guarantee is the
workmanship. They are things of beauty! He had a few left after Sun-N-Fun
so there may not be much of a wait. HTH AL
At 05:19 PM 5/16/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
>
>Will he be at Oshkosh with his vents ??
>
>Gert
>
>Al Mojzisik wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Al Mojzisik <prober@iwaynet.net>
> >
> > That was the guy I shared a booth with at Sun-N-Fun Here's the info.
> >
> > Contact Todd Reiffers at (317) 576-9565
> > or dharmon@iquest.net or www.tail-mate.com before you get any
> > vents. He has a friend who makes vents exactly like Van's but in all
> > aluminum. They are a work of art and close so tight that NO air gets
> > through when you don't want it. They aren't cheap but what is for an
> > airplane? HTH, Al
> >
> > At 10:10 PM 5/15/03 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
> >>
> >>Some Rocket guy had some very large all Aluminum ones for sale at SNF this
> >>year. I met him at the beer tent but don't recall his name. He was asking
> >>somewhere around $135 each for them but they were very nice.... Vents seem
> >>overpriced to me, but compared to others they were well worth it. Maybe
> >>someone on the rocket list knows who this was and has contact information?
> >>If so, please cross post on the RV-List. Thanks
> >>-Mike Kraus
> >>N223RV
> >>
> >>
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| Subject: | Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
Aw c'mon, guys- let's not fire this up again- to each their own. FWIW
(not much!) & YMMV, I kinda look at it like vacuum tubes in guitar amps
or stereo equipment. "Purists" will tell you that you can't duplicate
that "tube" sound with solid state- (Neil Young, i.e.) but then, how
much stuff can you buy anymore that has tubes in it? It's like "digital
vs. analog", nuclear vs. diesel (as in Naval boats), DC-3s vs. 777s, or
warm, comfy indoor porcelain & Charmin, vs. outhouses & Sears
catalogs........time marches on! (uh-oh, do I really want to hit the
"send" button? I'm sooooo torn!!!!!
And while we're at it, let's do not archive this totally inflammatory
pot-stirrer! 8-)
Mark - RV-6 "A"!
Jerry Springer wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
>
> That is not an accurate comparison as the tailwheel RV was being built
> MANY years before a siss--
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| Subject: | RV-10 day VFR only?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Am I missing something or is the -10 devoid of any landing or wingtip
lighting? Not exactly how I would configure it, being that it's a touring
airplane. Still, I think it's beautiful!
On another note, I'm putting together a spreadsheet of estimated expenses
for a day/night VFR, and "light" IFR RV-10. I'm estimating $35k for a basic
kit. Can't seem to get below $70k with a used O-540, Hartzell, doityourself
paint job and minimal interior.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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| Subject: | Re: Wing cooling (another wacky idea) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jaye and Scott Jackson <jayeandscott@shaw.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Dube" <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
Subject: RV-List: Wing cooling (another wacky idea)
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>
> I know that there are very few water-cooled aircraft, but does
anyone know
> if any (in history, not just RVs) have been successfully cooled using the
> wings as heat exchangers?
>
Yes indeed, one very special aircraft. The Supermarine Schneider Cup Racers.
The engine was a Rolls-Royce "R" engine( stood for Race) and the coolant was
pumped to the wings which were double-skinned on top, as were the top of the
floats for the same reason. The thin space between the skins worked very
well to cool the glycol.
To also eliminate the oil cooler, scavenged oil was pumped back to the base
of the vertical stabilizer, then sprayed up and onto the interior of the
skins, then drained into a collector and returned to the oil tank.
If you're ever in London, England, one of these remarkable machines is on
display in the Science Museum in South Kensington. It's amazing technology
for the early-thirties, and you can walk under and around it and touch it.
The two-bladed , fixed pitch prop appears to have more than a 45-degree
twist; the torque was so bad the takeoff was started ninety degrees out of
wind and it would turn that much on the takeoff despite full opposite
rudder. The fuel was so toxic it would strip the paint off the fuselage
sides in mere minutes. Aft of the extremely-tightly cowled engine, the
fuselage appears to be about fifteen inches wide- I have no idea how the
pilot fit in. And no exhaust stacks-not even the stubs used on the later
Merlins, which was derived from the R engine. You're looking right at the
sides of the cylinder heads and can see the exhaust valve stems in the
ports.
But,as usual, I digress. Shouldn't we be talking about T-shirts, or
something?
Scott in Vancouver
-6, 60 hours
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 day VFR only?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
I don't remember any lights or opennings for same on either the wings or
tips on the RV-4/HRII kit either but then, we didn't have rivit holes
either. I agree, it looks like a fixed roof L-17. When did they say the
tail kit could be ordered ? KABONG (GBA) Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV-10 day VFR only??
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
> Am I missing something or is the -10 devoid of any landing or wingtip
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jaye and Scott Jackson <jayeandscott@shaw.ca>
>
>
> Looks like a scaled down Navion with a turtledeck to me.
>
> do not archive
>
> Roger Embree
> RV4 C-GIRH
>
> As much as I love my taildraggin' -6, I gotta say the -10 has nice lines.
When i had a four and six-seat airplane, I did most of my flying alone. Now
that I have a two-seater, my children fight over who's turn it is. Go
figure...
So, what does everybody think is next in Van's stable? A six-seater?A
retract? A twin? A jet? (Rocketeers would immediately add an afterburner)
Some sort of amphib?
Scott in VAncouver
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
how many do you think Van's will have to sell to break even on the
development cost?
Personally, I think this list is a little guilty of what in sports is
currently called "Homerism" on the 10. I work for Boeing. Lot's of
airplane freaks there besides me. I've been showing the newest pictures to
just about everyone I can think of. I'd say 3 to 1 most folks are cold to
the design and the rest are take it or leave it.
When folks see my RV calendar, they generally ask questions and look at all
the pictures and most really think the RVs are cool. Especially the 4.
Can't say anyone said "wow!" when they saw the 10.
Hope it doesn't hurt the company and make them have to raise the prices on
the other kits more than usual.
do not archive.
>From: Jaye and Scott Jackson <jayeandscott@shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-10
>Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 19:22:45 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jaye and Scott Jackson
><jayeandscott@shaw.ca>
>
>
> >
> >
> > Looks like a scaled down Navion with a turtledeck to me.
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > Roger Embree
> > RV4 C-GIRH
> >
> > As much as I love my taildraggin' -6, I gotta say the -10 has nice
>lines.
>When i had a four and six-seat airplane, I did most of my flying alone. Now
>that I have a two-seater, my children fight over who's turn it is. Go
>figure...
>So, what does everybody think is next in Van's stable? A six-seater?A
>retract? A twin? A jet? (Rocketeers would immediately add an afterburner)
>Some sort of amphib?
>Scott in VAncouver
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Sounds like your asking Santa Fe RR drivers what they think of a Corvette.
Or a submariner what he thinks of an F-4E. Gettem behind the wheel (read
stick) and watch what they have to say. Don't recall that I ever heard that
Van's has too many kits on hand. Future projected delivery dates, Yes. Do
Not Archive KABONG HRII (G.B.A.)
----- Original Message -----
From: "lucky macy" <luckymacy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-10
> currently called "Homerism" on the 10. I work for Boeing. Lot's of
> airplane freaks there besides me. I've been showing the newest pictures
to
> just about everyone I can think of. I'd say 3 to 1 most folks are cold to
> the design and the rest are take it or leave it.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 day VFR only?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
do not archive
Jack,
You can't have the engine out of the Rocket!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stop dreaming.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-10 day VFR only??
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
>
> I don't remember any lights or opennings for same on either the wings or
> tips on the RV-4/HRII kit either but then, we didn't have rivit holes
> either. I agree, it looks like a fixed roof L-17. When did they say the
> tail kit could be ordered ? KABONG (GBA) Do Not Archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: RV-10 day VFR only??
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Am I missing something or is the -10 devoid of any landing or wingtip
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
At 19:22 2003-05-16 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jaye and Scott Jackson <jayeandscott@shaw.ca>
>
>
> >
> >
> > Looks like a scaled down Navion with a turtledeck to me.
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > Roger Embree
> > RV4 C-GIRH
> >
> > As much as I love my taildraggin' -6, I gotta say the -10 has nice lines.
>When i had a four and six-seat airplane, I did most of my flying alone. Now
>that I have a two-seater, my children fight over who's turn it is. Go
>figure...
>So, what does everybody think is next in Van's stable? A six-seater?A
>retract? A twin? A jet? (Rocketeers would immediately add an afterburner)
>Some sort of amphib?
>Scott in VAncouver
RV-11
Motor Glider, single seat, aluminum construction similar to the rest.
MGM
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR
13B in gestation mode
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
Fellow Listers:
Question for the RV-4 drivers out there....
I have just completed the W&B of my new RV-4. It is 180 hp, Hartzell prop,
vacuum pump, etc. No paint. EW is 1036. The EWCG is just forward of the
forward limit (67.39). With me in it and full fuel, CG is 69.4 (.8 aft of
the forward limit). The RV-4 I just sold was similarly equipped except it
was painted. It's CG was about .8 inches aft of the new one.
I have flow the RV-4 in all CG ranges and it is really not an issue provided
you are aware of the change in pitch sensitivity at aft CG and also trim
accordingly for takeoff. I could be curious to know if other 180 hp, CS
prop, RV-4s also end up with their EWCGs forward of the forward limit. The
thought occured to be to perhaps bolt some lead in the tail to bring it a
little further aft.
Thanks
Doug Weiler
Hudson, WI
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| Subject: | Re: Humor - Delete Now--Gummo/Horton |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
do not archive
> >Man it must have been scary back in the days when you were a fighter
> >pilot and sheep were afraid :)
Kevin,
I still am a Fighter Pilot. :-)
I just don't fly a military fighter anymore. :-(
I am having a ton of fun with the Rocket. :-)
Looking forward to your next visit.
Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
P.S. Anybody is welcome to stop by,
swap tall tales (some maybe true),
Hangar fly,
and just about anything else which deals with aviation.
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| Subject: | Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
Mike Stephenson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
>
>Since the insurance underwriter sets the premiums we all pay, how could you
>say it means nothing. They don't care about comparing anything except their
>profits.
>
>Mike Stephenson
>
Hi Mike,
Sorry about the rude reception you got from the list. From time to time,
almost everybody gets it in their head that somebody is talking bad
about their momma & just lash out at any opportunity.
Buuuttt, the ultimate truth is, your stats as stated only have meaning
if you choose to assign them meaning. Insurance underwriters usually,
but not always, charge more for t/w vs nose gear. If you have 500+ hours
tt & it's almost 100% t/w time, you might not pay any more.
Bottom line though, is that if you want trigear, build/fly trigear. You
don't need to justify your choice to anyone but yourself. If you
present your choice to the group in a format that can be seen as an
attempt to convert others to your point of view, it's likely you will
get some heat. (you just brought somebody's momma, or at least her
religion, into the discussion.)
Welcome to RV communications; wear a thick skin & remember that many of
us occasionally wish for email 'morning after' pills.
Charlie
RV-7 tail
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| Subject: | Spinner install on Hartzell C/S |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
> When installing the spinner on a Hartzell C/S model
> HC-C2YK-1BF ......Is it
> safe to assume that when the spinner is firmly seated against
> the front
> bulkhead and aligned with the back plate that the nose of the
> spinner is
> concentric with the crankshaft? I do not want to rotate the
> engine to check
> this out.
> Dale Ensing
Let's say for a minute that one does what you suggest (which, BTW, is
what I did with good outcome) and the spinner isn't centered? What
then?
I believe that if you sand the inside of the spinner where the front
bulkhead contacts it, so that no high spots exist, you'll likely be
fine, provided you do as you suggest above.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
RV6-A N66AP 299 hours
www.rvforum.org TWO WEEKS, don't miss this, especially the evening
speaker!! Check it out!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Stats on Trikes/Conventional |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Charlie & Tupper England wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
>
> Mike Stephenson wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Stephenson" <mike@proclaimweb.com>
>>
>>Since the insurance underwriter sets the premiums we all pay, how could you
>>say it means nothing. They don't care about comparing anything except their
>>profits.
>>
>>Mike Stephenson
>>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Sorry about the rude reception you got from the list. From time to time,
> almost everybody gets it in their head that somebody is talking bad
> about their momma & just lash out at any opportunity.
>
> Buuuttt, the ultimate truth is, your stats as stated only have meaning
> if you choose to assign them meaning. Insurance underwriters usually,
> but not always, charge more for t/w vs nose gear. If you have 500+ hours
> tt & it's almost 100% t/w time, you might not pay any more.
>
> Bottom line though, is that if you want trigear, build/fly trigear. You
> don't need to justify your choice to anyone but yourself. If you
> present your choice to the group in a format that can be seen as an
> attempt to convert others to your point of view, it's likely you will
> get some heat. (you just brought somebody's momma, or at least her
> religion, into the discussion.)
>
> Welcome to RV communications; wear a thick skin & remember that many of
> us occasionally wish for email 'morning after' pills.
>
> Charlie
> RV-7 tail
>
>
Oh c**p no body was rude, we can be though.:)Everybody said the same
thing you are saying Charlie. His stats are meaningless with out more
information.
Jerry
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Patterson <scc_ron@yahoo.com>
Hello Guy's!
I just moved my RV-4 from the Garage to the Hayward Airport to complete the engine
and avionics and get this baby in the air. Anyone with a lead on an IO-320
or 360 / and any 2-1/4 inch instruments would be appreciated.
Ron Patterson N8ZD (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing cooling (another wacky idea) |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
I believe the Supermarine Racer (floatplane) used the fuselage skins for a
cooling surface.
From my heat and mass transfer courses (a long time ago), there are fluid
flow benefits to a heated object in water, or cooled object in air.
Conversely, heating an object in air adversely affected the boundary layer.
Increased the likelihood of boundary layer flow separation. Generally
increased drag for that surface. Stuff like that.
Jim Ayers
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| Subject: | Re: Wing cooling (another wacky idea) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jaye and Scott Jackson <jayeandscott@shaw.ca>
Does not a properly-designed radiator duct actually add thrust instead of
drag, as in the P-51? Something about heating and expanding the air...
Scott in VAncouver
----- Original Message -----
From: <LeastDrag93066@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wing cooling (another wacky idea)
> --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
>
> I believe the Supermarine Racer (floatplane) used the fuselage skins for a
> cooling surface.
>
> From my heat and mass transfer courses (a long time ago), there are fluid
> flow benefits to a heated object in water, or cooled object in air.
>
> Conversely, heating an object in air adversely affected the boundary
layer.
> Increased the likelihood of boundary layer flow separation. Generally
> increased drag for that surface. Stuff like that.
>
> Jim Ayers
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing cooling (another wacky idea) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
I've put in lots of heat exchange units/systems during my years as a
plumbing/heating & A/C contractor. Raced Corvettes and the like. With all
the plumbing lines, required pumps, valves, controls and the exchangers
you'll wind up with a single place -8 or -8A that only an FAA (147# or so)
sized pilot could fly it. K.I.S.S. or buy a P-51. You'll have all the heat
exchanger problems you can handle with a Mustang. Delta T gets smaller as
outside air temp goes up. At 30,000' the OAT is of help BUT 30,000' requires
lots of other stuff and you could wind up with an RV version of the German
Komet. 8+) KABONG (G.B.A.) HRII Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <LeastDrag93066@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wing cooling (another wacky idea)
> --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
>
> I believe the Supermarine Racer (floatplane) used the fuselage skins for a
> cooling surface.
>
> From my heat and mass transfer courses (a long time ago), there are fluid
> flow benefits to a heated object in water, or cooled object in air.
>
> Conversely, heating an object in air adversely affected the boundary
layer.
> Increased the likelihood of boundary layer flow separation. Generally
> increased drag for that surface. Stuff like that.
>
> Jim Ayers
>
>
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