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1. 02:51 AM - Re: kabong? (Boyd C. Braem)
2. 02:54 AM - Re: kabong? (Boyd C. Braem)
3. 04:00 AM - Propeller Bolts for Sale (Francis Malczynski)
4. 07:53 AM - Re: Real Long-New Braunfels (C. Rabaut)
5. 08:46 AM - Re: kabong? (Jaye and Scott Jackson)
6. 08:52 AM - Priming Nutplates (Glenn Brasch)
7. 09:00 AM - Avery RV Jack Stand Kit (Ronschreck99@aol.com)
8. 09:19 AM - Re: Priming Nutplates (Dean Pichon)
9. 09:29 AM - PS to Priming Nutplates (Glenn Brasch)
10. 09:30 AM - Re: Avery RV Jack Stand Kit (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
11. 09:30 AM - Re: kabong? (Jaye and Scott Jackson)
12. 09:54 AM - Re: Avery RV Jack Stand Kit (Jerry Springer)
13. 09:57 AM - HVLP guns with a compressor? (czechsix@juno.com)
14. 09:58 AM - Re: Avery RV Jack Stand Kit (Jim Jewell)
15. 10:21 AM - Re: Pre-OSH gathering????? (JNice51355@aol.com)
16. 10:33 AM - Re: HVLP guns with a compressor? (Sam Buchanan)
17. 12:39 PM - Re: HVLP guns with a compressor? (Jim Oke)
18. 12:43 PM - Re: [nonspam] Re: Real Long-New Braunfels (Larry Pardue)
19. 01:01 PM - RV=8 Fuselage Jig in Moscow, ID ($50.00) (Vincent Himsl)
20. 01:17 PM - Re: HVLP guns with a compressor? (Terry Watson)
21. 01:43 PM - Ride in a Tomcat (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
22. 01:48 PM - Re Avery RV Jack-stand kit (Elsa & Henry)
23. 02:53 PM - Elevator Madness (Larry Bowen)
24. 03:41 PM - Re: Ride in a Tomcat - Humor Delete Now!!!! (Tom Gummo)
25. 03:49 PM - IO-360 induction (Jim Bean)
26. 04:19 PM - Re: Avery RV Jack Stand Kit (Kevin Horton)
27. 04:38 PM - Re: Elevator Madness (Gert)
28. 04:43 PM - Re: IO-360 induction (Jim Cimino)
29. 04:43 PM - Re: Elevator Madness (William Davis)
30. 05:30 PM - Re: HVLP guns with a compressor? (David Carter)
31. 07:33 PM - Re: Wing cooling (another wacky idea); pressure recovery & flyin notice (Doug Rozendaal)
32. 07:41 PM - Re: HVLP guns with a compressor? (Dave Bristol)
33. 07:47 PM - Re: HVLP guns with a compressor? (Dave Bristol)
34. 07:58 PM - Re: HVLP guns with a compressor? (Sam Buchanan)
35. 08:04 PM - Re: HVLP guns with a compressor? (mark phillips)
36. 09:10 PM - Firewall hinges RV-8 (Geoff Evans)
37. 09:28 PM - Re: RV-10, oh no an opinion!! (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Hey, Scott--
You're gettin' it close, but how may of our younger viewers would know
the Quick-Draw sorta looked like a horse and his side-kick Baba-Louie
was sorta a mouse type thing with a sorta Mexican type accent? No
offense to Kabong, who fixes clogged drains and races Corvettes and
keeps Gummibear alive.
Scott Vanartsdalen wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
>
>Okay, okay. If we're going to discuss cartoons let's at least be accurate.
>It was Quick-Draw McGraw, his side-kick, Baba-louie, called him Quicks Draw in
whatever accent that was supposed to be. I grew up glued to these cartoons.
Which is why I'm so warped I supposed.
>
>Exit... stage left!
>
>PS. All of the above was typed in a very humorous tone, I hope you read it that
way.
>
>Oh and... Do not archive. See? Smarter than the average bear!
>
>John Starn <jhstarn@earthlink.net> wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn"
>
>OK, OK, one more time. See very short verison below. KABONG
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
>To:
>Subject: RV-List: kabong?
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>What or who is Kabong???? Or is this just some sort of computer geek code
>>
>>
>:)??? Just curious...Evan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: John Starn
>To: Tom
>Subject: Re: KABONG
>
>
>No relation to Bong. Kabong is a handle shortened from El Kabong of cartoon
>fame. He "kabongs" bad guys with a guitar when I was a patrol Sgt on Fontana
>PD and broke the stocks of two 12 ga shotguns by using the shotgun more like
>a baton. Went to a City Halloween party dress all in western black complete
>with guns. Someone asked if I were Quicks Draw McGraw, one of my patrolman
>chimed with "Na, he's El Kabong" (Quicks Draw McGraws masked alter ego) and
>it stuck. KABONG
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Tom
>To: jhstarn@earthlink.net
>Subject: KABONG
>
>
>Hey John!
>
>I'm new here. What's the KABONG mean? Are you a relative of DickBONG or
>an Aussie?
>
>
>--
>Scott VanArtsdalen
>RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
>
>bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you
>Luke 6:28, NAS
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Douglas C. (maybe???)
Jaye and Scott Jackson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jaye and Scott Jackson <jayeandscott@shaw.ca>
>
>don't exit so fast; I still want to know what Neidemeier's first name and
>initial was.
>I'm going with James P. or C., can't quite recalll which it was.
>Scott in Vancouver
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Vanartsdalen" <svanarts@yahoo.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: kabong?
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
>>
>>Okay, okay. If we're going to discuss cartoons let's at least be
>>
>>
>accurate.
>
>
>>It was Quick-Draw McGraw, his side-kick, Baba-louie, called him Quicks
>>
>>
>Draw in whatever accent that was supposed to be. I grew up glued to these
>cartoons. Which is why I'm so warped I supposed.
>
>
>>Exit... stage left!
>>
>>PS. All of the above was typed in a very humorous tone, I hope you read it
>>
>>
>that way.
>
>
>>Oh and... Do not archive. See? Smarter than the average bear!
>>
>>John Starn <jhstarn@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn"
>>
>>OK, OK, one more time. See very short verison below. KABONG
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
>>To:
>>Subject: RV-List: kabong?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
>>>
>>>
>>>What or who is Kabong???? Or is this just some sort of computer geek
>>>
>>>
>code
>
>
>>:)??? Just curious...Evan
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: John Starn
>>To: Tom
>>Subject: Re: KABONG
>>
>>
>>No relation to Bong. Kabong is a handle shortened from El Kabong of
>>
>>
>cartoon
>
>
>>fame. He "kabongs" bad guys with a guitar when I was a patrol Sgt on
>>
>>
>Fontana
>
>
>>PD and broke the stocks of two 12 ga shotguns by using the shotgun more
>>
>>
>like
>
>
>>a baton. Went to a City Halloween party dress all in western black
>>
>>
>complete
>
>
>>with guns. Someone asked if I were Quicks Draw McGraw, one of my patrolman
>>chimed with "Na, he's El Kabong" (Quicks Draw McGraws masked alter ego)
>>
>>
>and
>
>
>>it stuck. KABONG
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Tom
>>To: jhstarn@earthlink.net
>>Subject: KABONG
>>
>>
>>Hey John!
>>
>>I'm new here. What's the KABONG mean? Are you a relative of DickBONG or
>>an Aussie?
>>
>>
>>--
>>Scott VanArtsdalen
>>RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
>>
>>bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you
>>Luke 6:28, NAS
>>
>>---------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Propeller Bolts for Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Francis Malczynski" <ebbfmm@yahoo.com>
Lister, since I had to add a inch spacer to my prop hub to get my
performance propeller/spinner combination to fit right I purchased some 6
1/2 in bolts instead of the 6 in. bolts that came with the hub.
Which means my 6 in. bolts with washers are for sale.
They are Super-9 bolts, -20 prop to extension bolt, plated, lot traceable
and proof tested, high tensile, high ductility, long thread, drilled head.
The washers are Super-9 washers, , extra thick and hardened. Both were
purchased from Saber Mfg.
Price $60 and Ill pay shipping. Contact me off list if interested.
Fran Malczynski
ebbfmm@yahoo.com
RV-6 N594EF
Olcott, NY
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| Subject: | Re: Real Long-New Braunfels |
--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Larry,
Pardon me, but I really think this is the kind of stuff we like to have
in the archives. So I've removed your "Do not anchovies". Thank you very
much for the report; wish I could've been there.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Pardue <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
Subject: RV-List: Real Long-New Braunfels
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
>
> Listers:
>
> Got back from the SWRFI at New Braunfels an hour or so ago. It turned out
> real nice.
>
> I arrived Saturday morning around 9:30 AM which seemed to be near the peak
> arrival time. I know it impressed the Austin approach controllers. When
> they were letting people change frequency they were saying things like "I
> swear there are 15 people on final now. Be careful!" While I was flying
> the arrival procedure the tower kind of threw in the towel. He said
> something like, "there are too many of you. Sort it out." From this
point
> there was a much calmer radio frequency. The tower just stepped in where
> they though they could help. Things like "don't slow down on the runway.
> Keep the speed up." No landing clearances or anything like that. When I
> was on final, there were about 10 or 12 of us S turning, trying to keep
> spacing. Seemed to work pretty well but it did put me in mind of how easy
> it would be to have a bad accident where you are in a pressure situation,
at
> minimum speed and S turning near the ground with your attention on the
plane
> in front of you.
>
> I was parked between an original design, reminiscent of a 30's racer, and
a
> rotary powered RV-6A. My friend Judy Stocks was just one down.
Remarkable,
> since we did not coordinate and came from far different places, just like
> Brian Denk at Waco and Las Cruces. The parking areas were adequate, but
> rough. You did not want to see a nosedragger RV taxi by. There were some
> remarkable nose gear gyrations. Some of the canard type guys could not
> really handle it.
>
> Every fly-in is an RV fly-in now. Face it. We are as common as dirt. I
> have no idea how many there were. One guy was inventorying but had not
> finished when I talked to him. He had done about 50 at that time. There
> was one of those fancy-smancy ones, an RV-6A, out of Florida. You know;
> with the polished firewall, carbon fiber plenum, color coordinated engine
> accessories and full panel. It was real nice, but as I told him, my
> airplane is over 100 pounds lighter. You have to cling to something for
> your own self respect. I also critisized him, to his face, for being
> obsessive compulsive. There were a lot of RV formation fly-bys, with 16
> RV's and some Bonanzas. Did not even dent the number of RV's on the
field.
>
> I saw Larry Vetterman's Rocket, from South Dakota, but missed him. There
> were many nice Rockets. There was also Bruce Bohannan's hopped up RV-4.
I
> got I kick out of talking to him. It now has a huge scoop on the top of
the
> cowl and a huge intercooler behind that. This is for cooling and also for
> windshield defrosting, as the air exit is just ahead of the windshield.
He
> mentioned that this heavy RV-4 flies a lot nicer at 40,000 feet than down
> low, where the ailerons are a little heavy. He indicated that the engine
> power produced is predicated on cooling. For instance he tries to keep
the
> cylinder heads below 500 degrees F. He also has to do a lot of balancing
to
> prevent turbocharger blade stall. When I asked him what the level
flight
> indicated airspeed is at 40,000 he told me, and said that calculated out
to
> about 333 mph. Tracy Saylor and Dave Anders have some fast RV's, but I
> guess Bruce's is about as fast as they get. The 50,000 foot flight waits
on
> a pressure suit. Bruce said that they were having trouble getting one
from
> the government. If anyone knows someone or has something, contact Bruce.
> We need this RV at 50,000 feet. I asked about wing extensions for the
> higher altitude, and he said they had them, but he did not think they
would
> be necessary.
>
> What a remarkable airplane. Bruce said he thanks Van every time he sees
> him, but Van says, well, it is just a standard airfoil.
>
> The turn-out was huge. I don't know the numbers, but the marshall who
> escorted me out, said there were more airplanes here than at Sun and Fun.
> The number of planes he mentioned didn't seem possible to me, but if he is
> right, I guess that would make this the new second largest fly-in.
>
> There were certainly way too many very interesting airplanes to near look
at
> in the one day I spent. A Dyke Delta, the Polen Special and many one of a
> kinds were there. There were warbirds, and turboprop 4 seaters, including
a
> certified turboprop, pressurized version of the Myers, that they hope to
put
> in production. Jim Bede was there with some BD-17's. Jim Bede! If you
> need any better proof of the good manners of flying people, I don't know
> what it would be. Jim is up there being interviewed as some kind of
> aeronautical hero while all the people he owes money to, including me,
don't
> even try to ascend the podium to lynch him. Van's had an RV-7A.
>
> I sat down in the cafe for lunch without much delay or trouble. There was
> also a food court with buffet and another area with sandwich type places.
> The weather was warm, dry and pleasant. Just to the point where you
needed
> to be sure and have a drink fairly often.
>
> The organizers did many things right. The airport was never closed, which
> is a big deal to me. I hate to have to wait till too late to leave,
because
> someone is having a good time in an aerobatic plane. Gas was just $2.12.
> There were plenty of volunteers to guide you every step of the way while
> taxiing. There were shade awnings spaced ever so often, which turned out
to
> be just great to sit down in the shade and rest once in a while. There
was
> transportation along the flight line, for those who like that sort of
thing.
>
> A very enjoyable day, and the trip over and back showed once again what a
> remarkable plane an RV is. A friend of mine flew over from the same
airport
> I did, in New Mexico. He flew a cherokee 180 and burned over 30 gallons
> while I burned 14.7 with the same engine, in much less time. With the
> ability to go high or low, you can outsmart the winds to a large extent.
> Going over I went at 11,500 at around 190 knots most of the time, burning
> about 7 gph. Coming back, I went lower, with ground speeds starting at
> about 150 knots and increasing to 165 knots near home at a burn of about 8
> gph. What Fun!
>
>
> Larry Pardue
> Carlsbad, NM
>
> RV-6 N441LP Flying
> http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jaye and Scott Jackson <jayeandscott@shaw.ca>
By golly, Boyd, I think you're right. All my wife knew was that it was
something "pompous".
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: kabong?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>
> Douglas C. (maybe???)
>
> Jaye and Scott Jackson wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Jaye and Scott Jackson
<jayeandscott@shaw.ca>
> >
> >don't exit so fast; I still want to know what Neidemeier's first name and
> >initial was.
> >I'm going with James P. or C., can't quite recalll which it was.
> >Scott in Vancouver
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Scott Vanartsdalen" <svanarts@yahoo.com>
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: kabong?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
> >>
> >>Okay, okay. If we're going to discuss cartoons let's at least be
> >>
> >>
> >accurate.
> >
> >
> >>It was Quick-Draw McGraw, his side-kick, Baba-louie, called him Quicks
> >>
> >>
> >Draw in whatever accent that was supposed to be. I grew up glued to
these
> >cartoons. Which is why I'm so warped I supposed.
> >
> >
> >>Exit... stage left!
> >>
> >>PS. All of the above was typed in a very humorous tone, I hope you read
it
> >>
> >>
> >that way.
> >
> >
> >>Oh and... Do not archive. See? Smarter than the average bear!
> >>
> >>John Starn <jhstarn@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn"
> >>
> >>OK, OK, one more time. See very short verison below. KABONG
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
> >>To:
> >>Subject: RV-List: kabong?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>What or who is Kabong???? Or is this just some sort of computer geek
> >>>
> >>>
> >code
> >
> >
> >>:)??? Just curious...Evan
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: John Starn
> >>To: Tom
> >>Subject: Re: KABONG
> >>
> >>
> >>No relation to Bong. Kabong is a handle shortened from El Kabong of
> >>
> >>
> >cartoon
> >
> >
> >>fame. He "kabongs" bad guys with a guitar when I was a patrol Sgt on
> >>
> >>
> >Fontana
> >
> >
> >>PD and broke the stocks of two 12 ga shotguns by using the shotgun more
> >>
> >>
> >like
> >
> >
> >>a baton. Went to a City Halloween party dress all in western black
> >>
> >>
> >complete
> >
> >
> >>with guns. Someone asked if I were Quicks Draw McGraw, one of my
patrolman
> >>chimed with "Na, he's El Kabong" (Quicks Draw McGraws masked alter ego)
> >>
> >>
> >and
> >
> >
> >>it stuck. KABONG
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Tom
> >>To: jhstarn@earthlink.net
> >>Subject: KABONG
> >>
> >>
> >>Hey John!
> >>
> >>I'm new here. What's the KABONG mean? Are you a relative of DickBONG or
> >>an Aussie?
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Scott VanArtsdalen
> >>RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
> >>
> >>bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you
> >>Luke 6:28, NAS
> >>
> >>---------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Priming Nutplates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
Pro, or con to priming nutplates (except in the threads)?
Thanks, Glenn in Arizona -9A Emp.
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| Subject: | Avery RV Jack Stand Kit |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com
I bought Avery's RV Jack Stand Kit (Part # 561-1, catalog page 62, $35)
recently and come to find that the hole through the axle on my RV-8 isn't big
enough or deep enough. It is a 3/4 inch hole which is 3/4 inch deep. The
jack stand needs a 7/8 inch hole about 3 1/2 inches deep! The Avery catalog
says the jack stand is for use with Wittman Style hollow axles. I just
assumed that all RV's use the same axle. (Somebody once told me never to
assume anything when building an RV but I was picking my nose at the time.)
Here's my question. Should I (1):pack the jack stand up and return it to
Avery? (2): Go buy some Wittman axles for the RV; and where do I get those?
(3): Drill my axles out to 7/8 inch for a 3 1/2 inch depth and hope they
don't break on my first landing? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Ron Schreck
RV-8, Charlotte NC
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| Subject: | Re: Priming Nutplates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" <DeanPichon@msn.com>
Con - It's not worth the aggravation. Most (all?) nutplates are plated (Parkerized
or CAD). Priming them as part of a larger assembly is common, but priming
individual nutplates seems anal even by RV builders' standards.
Dean Pichon
RV-4
Morgantown, WV
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Brasch
Subject: RV-List: Priming Nutplates
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
Pro, or con to priming nutplates (except in the threads)?
Thanks, Glenn in Arizona -9A Emp.
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| Subject: | PS to Priming Nutplates |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
Re: to prime or not to prime nutplates, my concern is the rivet that is not primed
once in place, while the rest of the assembly is. Thanks again, Glenn in
Arizona do not archive
Message 10
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| Subject: | Re: Avery RV Jack Stand Kit |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Ronschreck99@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com
>
> I bought Avery's RV Jack Stand Kit (Part # 561-1, catalog page 62, $35)
> recently and come to find that the hole through the axle on my RV-8 isn't big
> enough or deep enough. It is a 3/4 inch hole which is 3/4 inch deep. The
> jack stand needs a 7/8 inch hole about 3 1/2 inches deep! The Avery catalog
> says the jack stand is for use with Wittman Style hollow axles. I just
> assumed that all RV's use the same axle. (Somebody once told me never to
> assume anything when building an RV but I was picking my nose at the time.)
>
> Here's my question. Should I (1):pack the jack stand up and return it to
> Avery? (2): Go buy some Wittman axles for the RV; and where do I get those?
> (3): Drill my axles out to 7/8 inch for a 3 1/2 inch depth and hope they
> don't break on my first landing? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> Thanks.
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8, Charlotte NC
.Ron, for what it is worth. I would drill threm. Some axles are already drilled
all the way through. I don't know what Avery sells but I would think if you just
run the 3/4 in a little more, you should be able to stick a piece of steel into
it and lift with it...
Phil
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jaye and Scott Jackson <jayeandscott@shaw.ca>
MY apologies to all listers named Douglas!
I meant that he SAID his name pompously...
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaye and Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: RV-List: kabong?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jaye and Scott Jackson
<jayeandscott@shaw.ca>
>
> By golly, Boyd, I think you're right. All my wife knew was that it was
> something "pompous".
> Scott
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com.Netscape/7.0>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: kabong?
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
> >
> > Douglas C. (maybe???)
> >
> > Jaye and Scott Jackson wrote:
> >
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: Jaye and Scott Jackson
> <jayeandscott@shaw.ca>
> > >
> > >don't exit so fast; I still want to know what Neidemeier's first name
and
> > >initial was.
> > >I'm going with James P. or C., can't quite recalll which it was.
> > >Scott in Vancouver
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Scott Vanartsdalen" <svanarts@yahoo.com>
> > >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: Re: RV-List: kabong?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
> > >>
> > >>Okay, okay. If we're going to discuss cartoons let's at least be
> > >>
> > >>
> > >accurate.
> > >
> > >
> > >>It was Quick-Draw McGraw, his side-kick, Baba-louie, called him Quicks
> > >>
> > >>
> > >Draw in whatever accent that was supposed to be. I grew up glued to
> these
> > >cartoons. Which is why I'm so warped I supposed.
> > >
> > >
> > >>Exit... stage left!
> > >>
> > >>PS. All of the above was typed in a very humorous tone, I hope you
read
> it
> > >>
> > >>
> > >that way.
> > >
> > >
> > >>Oh and... Do not archive. See? Smarter than the average bear!
> > >>
> > >>John Starn <jhstarn@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn"
> > >>
> > >>OK, OK, one more time. See very short verison below. KABONG
> > >>
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
> > >>To:
> > >>Subject: RV-List: kabong?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>What or who is Kabong???? Or is this just some sort of computer geek
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >code
> > >
> > >
> > >>:)??? Just curious...Evan
> > >>
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: John Starn
> > >>To: Tom
> > >>Subject: Re: KABONG
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>No relation to Bong. Kabong is a handle shortened from El Kabong of
> > >>
> > >>
> > >cartoon
> > >
> > >
> > >>fame. He "kabongs" bad guys with a guitar when I was a patrol Sgt on
> > >>
> > >>
> > >Fontana
> > >
> > >
> > >>PD and broke the stocks of two 12 ga shotguns by using the shotgun
more
> > >>
> > >>
> > >like
> > >
> > >
> > >>a baton. Went to a City Halloween party dress all in western black
> > >>
> > >>
> > >complete
> > >
> > >
> > >>with guns. Someone asked if I were Quicks Draw McGraw, one of my
> patrolman
> > >>chimed with "Na, he's El Kabong" (Quicks Draw McGraws masked alter
ego)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >and
> > >
> > >
> > >>it stuck. KABONG
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: Tom
> > >>To: jhstarn@earthlink.net
> > >>Subject: KABONG
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Hey John!
> > >>
> > >>I'm new here. What's the KABONG mean? Are you a relative of DickBONG
or
> > >>an Aussie?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>--
> > >>Scott VanArtsdalen
> > >>RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
> > >>
> > >>bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you
> > >>Luke 6:28, NAS
> > >>
> > >>---------------------------------
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Avery RV Jack Stand Kit |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@earthlink.net>
Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
>
> Ronschreck99@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com
>>
>>I bought Avery's RV Jack Stand Kit (Part # 561-1, catalog page 62, $35)
>>recently and come to find that the hole through the axle on my RV-8 isn't big
>>enough or deep enough. It is a 3/4 inch hole which is 3/4 inch deep. The
>>jack stand needs a 7/8 inch hole about 3 1/2 inches deep! The Avery catalog
>>says the jack stand is for use with Wittman Style hollow axles. I just
>>assumed that all RV's use the same axle. (Somebody once told me never to
>>assume anything when building an RV but I was picking my nose at the time.)
>>
>>Here's my question. Should I (1):pack the jack stand up and return it to
>>Avery? (2): Go buy some Wittman axles for the RV; and where do I get those?
>>(3): Drill my axles out to 7/8 inch for a 3 1/2 inch depth and hope they
>>don't break on my first landing? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Ron Schreck
>>RV-8, Charlotte NC
>
>
> .Ron, for what it is worth. I would drill threm. Some axles are already drilled
> all the way through. I don't know what Avery sells but I would think if you just
> run the 3/4 in a little more, you should be able to stick a piece of steel into
> it and lift with it...
>
> Phil
>
No!! in my not so humble opinion do not drill them.
Send them back and ask Avery about the difference size.
Jerry
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| Subject: | HVLP guns with a compressor? |
--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
Guys,
In getting ready to paint my -8A, I'm pondering my options for paint
guns. Specifically, I have a 5 hp compressor with a 20 gal tank, which
is less than recommended for HVLP guns made to work with a compressor (as
opposed to the more expensive dedicated turbine blower units). Have
others on the List successfully used a compressor/tank of this size with
an HVLP? My thinking is that with my paint scheme, the top and bottom of
my wings are different colors....same with my fuselage which has one
color on the top half and a different color on the lower half. So, at
most I'll need to be able to paint one side of a wing or one half of the
fuselage before I run out of air capacity. Anyone out there able to say
from experience whether this is possible or not?
If not, I'll go with conventional spray gun and just eat the extra
overspray...well not literally I hope : )
Thanks,
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D finishing....
The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
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| Subject: | Re: Avery RV Jack Stand Kit |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Send them back or offer them up for sale on the list etc.
Jim in Kelowna
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <Ronschreck99@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Avery RV Jack Stand Kit
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com
>
> I bought Avery's RV Jack Stand Kit (Part # 561-1, catalog page 62, $35)
> recently and come to find that the hole through the axle on my RV-8 isn't
big
> enough or deep enough. It is a 3/4 inch hole which is 3/4 inch deep. The
> jack stand needs a 7/8 inch hole about 3 1/2 inches deep! The Avery
catalog
> says the jack stand is for use with Wittman Style hollow axles. I just
> assumed that all RV's use the same axle. (Somebody once told me never to
> assume anything when building an RV but I was picking my nose at the
time.)
>
> Here's my question. Should I (1):pack the jack stand up and return it to
> Avery? (2): Go buy some Wittman axles for the RV; and where do I get
those?
> (3): Drill my axles out to 7/8 inch for a 3 1/2 inch depth and hope they
> don't break on my first landing? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> Thanks.
>
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8, Charlotte NC
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pre-OSH gathering????? |
--> RV-List message posted by: JNice51355@aol.com
In a message dated 5/16/03 3:16:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
dougr@petroblend.com writes:
> MCW is 213 nm SW of OSH. We have acres of nice grass and tarmac for tiedown
> and camping.
>
>
Folks
Although I am still not flying a completed RV project, I can vouch for the
quality of the facilities at MCW. While enroute to Oshkosh in 2001, my wife
and I stopped there and met Doug, stayed the night, and flew out to KOSH the
next day. The staff at MCW are really nice folks, and the bottom line is
that we really felt at home there. Also, as warm and humid as it is there at
that time of year, the beer seems to taste
"better". Also, I would say that it's distance from KOSH is just about
perfect. Just a short hop to complete your voyage. I would give MCW a
thumbs up as a good staging area for a "gaggle of RV's".
Jim Nice
WA State do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: HVLP guns with a compressor? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
czechsix@juno.com wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
>
> Guys,
>
> In getting ready to paint my -8A, I'm pondering my options for paint
> guns. Specifically, I have a 5 hp compressor with a 20 gal tank, which
> is less than recommended for HVLP guns made to work with a compressor (as
> opposed to the more expensive dedicated turbine blower units). Have
> others on the List successfully used a compressor/tank of this size with
> an HVLP? My thinking is that with my paint scheme, the top and bottom of
> my wings are different colors....same with my fuselage which has one
> color on the top half and a different color on the lower half. So, at
> most I'll need to be able to paint one side of a wing or one half of the
> fuselage before I run out of air capacity. Anyone out there able to say
> from experience whether this is possible or not?
I would not recommend the twenty gallon tank for an HVLP gun. I found
that twenty gallons was good for less than a couple of minutes of
spraying before the pressure would drop enough to change the pattern of
the gun evening with the compressor running continuously.
You can see my "solution" here:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/paint1.html
However, I would have been much better off with the 60 gallon, 8 hp
compressor that I now own (Home Depot, $400.00). I suggest builders go
ahead and pop for the big compressor if they anticipate doing the paint
themselves. Also, the 60 gallon tank is big enough that an entire
evening of riveting can be accomplished on one run cycle of the
compressor!
Sam Buchanan
"The RV Journal" http://thervjournal.com
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| Subject: | Re: HVLP guns with a compressor? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Hi Mark;
I painted a -6A with a compressor rig similar to what you have last fall and
I found it doable with care. Effectively you end up spraying for a few
minutes, waiting for a few minuutes (you have to keep refilling the paint
gun cup anyway) and spraying some more. I am happy with my results and my
problem areas were not due to lack of air capacity in any case.
In an ideal world, your air system should have enough capacity to put a
continuous film of paint on the biggest area you are going to spray at one
time but there are enough compromises in a "self help" paint job in terms of
ventilation, exhaust, lighting, spray technique, etc., that this is not a
big deal. A multi color scheme as you have choosen with only part of a wing
to paint at a time will help here. Just have at and do the best you can.
(If perfection is your goal, do the prep yourself and then haul the pieces
to a pro shop where they will have have the big air system and paint
facilities that few of us can afford for a one time use.)
BTW, don't believe too much of the fluff about "minimal overspray from an
HVLP". Even an HVLP will surprise you with the amount of $$ paint that ends
up on the floor and wall of your paint booth. I have a pair of yellow shoes
somewhere to show for my efforts!
Jim Oke
Winnipeg, MB
RV-6A
----- Original Message -----
From: <>
Subject: RV-List: HVLP guns with a compressor?
> --> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
>
> Guys,
>
> In getting ready to paint my -8A, I'm pondering my options for paint
> guns. Specifically, I have a 5 hp compressor with a 20 gal tank, which
> is less than recommended for HVLP guns made to work with a compressor (as
> opposed to the more expensive dedicated turbine blower units). Have
> others on the List successfully used a compressor/tank of this size with
> an HVLP? My thinking is that with my paint scheme, the top and bottom of
> my wings are different colors....same with my fuselage which has one
> color on the top half and a different color on the lower half. So, at
> most I'll need to be able to paint one side of a wing or one half of the
> fuselage before I run out of air capacity. Anyone out there able to say
> from experience whether this is possible or not?
>
> If not, I'll go with conventional spray gun and just eat the extra
> overspray...well not literally I hope : )
>
> Thanks,
>
> --Mark Navratil
> Cedar Rapids, Iowa
> RV-8A N2D finishing....
>
> The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
> Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Real Long-New Braunfels |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@carlsbad.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Larry,
>
> Pardon me, but I really think this is the kind of stuff we like to
have
> in the archives. So I've removed your "Do not anchovies". Thank you very
> much for the report; wish I could've been there.
>
Ok Chuck, but other than the length and off topic nature one good reason to
do not archive is the inevitable mistakes. For instance I don't know why I
said Austin Approach. It was San Antonio Approach that was sheparding us
in.
I wish I would have mentioned the 425 pound, 60 HP, scale RC model that I'm
sure many many people mistook for a full size airplane.
Larry Pardue
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| Subject: | RV=8 Fuselage Jig in Moscow, ID ($50.00) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Himsl" <vhimsl@turbonet.com>
Have finally finished with the RV-8 Fuselage jig.
It is located in Moscow, Idaho and I am asking $50.00. It is all wood per
plans. Will wait a couple of days before taking it apart.
Please contact me directly.
Regards,
Vince Himsl
RV-8 (SB) finish
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| Subject: | HVLP guns with a compressor? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Mark,
This is not based on my own experience but something I'm sure I read on this
list in the past: connect another compressor and tank in series with yours.
You might be able to borrow the compressor for the duration of the painting.
Hopefully someone with experience with this will comment.
Terry
Subject: RV-List: HVLP guns with a compressor?
--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
Guys,
In getting ready to paint my -8A, I'm pondering my options for paint
guns. Specifically, I have a 5 hp compressor with a 20 gal tank, which
is less than recommended for HVLP guns made to work with a compressor (as
opposed to the more expensive dedicated turbine blower units). Have
others on the List successfully used a compressor/tank of this size with
an HVLP? <snip>
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| Subject: | Ride in a Tomcat |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Listers...
This was emailed to me so I cannot vouch for authenticity, but fun to read
anyway. Also a bit off subject, but not as much as arguments about religion,
etc.
<<Below is an article written by Rick Reilly for Sports Illustrated.
He details his experiences when given the
opportunity to fly in a F-14 Tomcat.
Now this message for America's most famous
athletes:
Someday you may be invited to fly in the
back-seat of one of your country's most powerful
fighter jets. Many of you already have -- John
Elway, John Stockton, Tiger Woods to name a few.
If you get this opportunity, let me urge you,
with the greatest sincerity ......
Move to Guam. Change your name. Fake your own
death. Whatever you do, do not go. I know.
The U.S. Navy invited me to try it. I was
thrilled. I was pumped.
I was toast!
I should've known when they told me m! y pilot
would be Chip (Biff) King of Fighter Squadron 213
at Naval Air Station Oceana in Virginia Beach.
Whatever you're thinking a Top Gun named Chip
(Biff) King looks like, triple it.
He's about six-foot, tan, ice-blue eyes, wavy
surfer hair, finger-crippling handshake -- the
kind of man who wrestles dyspeptic alligators in
his leisure time. If you see this man, run the
other way. Fast. Biff King was born to fly.
His father, Jack King, was for years the voice of
NASA missions. ("T-minus 15 seconds and
counting...." Remember?) Chip would charge
neighborhood kids a quarter each to hear his dad.
Jack would wake up from naps surrounded by
nine-year-olds waiting for him to say, "We have a
liftoff."
Biff! was to fly me in an F-14D Tomcat, a
ridiculously powerful $60 million weapon with as
much thrust as weight. I was worried about
getting airsick, so the night before the flight I
asked Biff if there was something I should
eat the next morning.
"Bananas," he said.
"For the potassium?" I asked.
"No," Biff said, "because they taste about the
same coming up as they do going down."
The next morning, out on the tarmac, I had on my
flight suit with my name sewn over the left
breast. (No call sign -- like Crash or Sticky or
Leadfoot -- but, still, very cool.) I carried my
helmet in the crook of my arm, as Biff had
instructed. A fighter pilot named Psycho gave me
a safety briefing and then fastened me into my
ejection seat, which, when ! employed, would
"egress" me out of the plane at such a velocity
that I would be immediately knocked unconscious.
Just as I was thinking about aborting the flight,
the canopy closed over me, and Biff gave the
ground crew a thumbs-up. In minutes we were
firing nose up at 600 mph. We leveled out and
then canopy-rolled over another F-14. Those
20 minutes were the rush of my life.
Unfortunately, the ride lasted 80.
It was like being on the roller coaster at Six
Flags Over Hell. Only without rails. We did
barrel rolls, sap rolls, loops, yanks and banks.
We dived, rose and dived again, sometimes with a
vertical velocity of 10,000 feet per minute. We
chased another F-14, and it chased us. We broke
the speed of sound. Sea was sky and sk! y was sea.
Flying at 200 feet we did 90-degree turns at 550
mph, creating a G force of 6.5, which is to say I
felt as if 6.5 times my body weight was smashing
against me.
And I egressed the bananas. I egressed the pizza
from the night before. And the lunch before that.
I egressed a box of Milk Duds from the sixth
grade. I made Linda Blair look polite. Because of
the G's, I was egressing stuff that
did not even want to be egressed.
I went through not one airsick bag, but two. Biff
said I passed out. Twice. I was coated in sweat.
At one point, as we were coming in upside down in
a banked curve on a mock bombing target and the
G's were flattening me like a
tortilla and I was in and out of consciousness, I
realized I ! was the first person in history to
throw down.
I used to know cool. Cool was Elway throwing a
touchdown pass, or Norman making a five-iron
bite. But now I really know cool. Cool is guys
like Biff, men with cast-iron stomachs and Freon
nerves. I wouldn't go up there again for Derek
Jeter's black book, but I'm glad Biff does every
day, and for less money per year than a rookie
reliever makes in a home stand.
A week later, when the spins finally stopped,
Biff called. He said he and the fighters had the
perfect call sign for me. Said he'd send it on a
patch for my flight suit.
What is it? I asked.
"Two Bags.">>
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| Subject: | Re Avery RV Jack-stand kit |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club"
<sisson@consolidated.net>
Ronschreck99@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com
>
> I bought Avery's RV Jack Stand Kit (Part # 561-1, catalog page 62, $35)
> recently and come to find that the hole through the axle on my RV-8 isn't
big
> enough or deep enough. It is a 3/4 inch hole which is 3/4 inch deep. The
> jack stand needs a 7/8 inch hole about 3 1/2 inches deep! The Avery
catalog
> says the jack stand is for use with Wittman Style hollow axles. I just
> assumed that all RV's use the same axle. (Somebody once told me never to
> assume anything when building an RV but I was picking my nose at the
time.)
>
> Here's my question. Should I (1):pack the jack stand up and return it to
> Avery? (2): Go buy some Wittman axles for the RV; and where do I get
those?
> (3): Drill my axles out to 7/8 inch for a 3 1/2 inch depth and hope they
> don't break on my first landing? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> Thanks.
Boy, are you looking for a REALLY BIG HEADACHE if you think drilling those
axles is easy!! Its hard enough to drill the holes for the cotter-pins in
that hardened steel and I can't think anybody would contemplate boring out
the holes as you propose! Even if you have the machine shop capability to do
that, you would compromise the strength of the axle. NO WAY! send them back!
Cheers!!-----Henry Hore
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| Subject: | Elevator Madness |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
My RV-8 elevators swing in the breeze with all bolts in place .....
Until I torque them down. Then there is considerable less 'free
travel'. I can see the rod end bearing are content to rotate on the
bolt, but tightened down, the rod end is forced to rotate on the
bearing, and doesn't like to do so. Everything is lubed nicely. Any
other ideas?
Also, the inboard ends of the elevator control horns fit snug up against
the middle bearing. Forcing the 5702-95-30 washers in there makes the
whole assembly stiffer. So, I'm not going to use the washers. My logic
is that the control horns themselves will perform the function of
containing the bearing should it fail, since it is right up against it.
And that is the only purpose of the washer. Sound thinking?
Thanks.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
2003 - The year of flight!
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| Subject: | Re: Ride in a Tomcat - Humor Delete Now!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
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Humor Alert - Nothing to do with building an RV.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jerry2DT@aol.com>
> He details his experiences when given the
>
> opportunity to fly in a F-14 Tomcat.
>
> Now this message for America's most famous
>
> athletes:
For over ten years of my twenty in the Air Force, I was the Life Support
Officer. It meant that I had working for me, several enlisted personnel
whose job it was to fit and maintain the flight equipment we wore, helmets,
g-suits, survival vests, etc., etc. I was also my job to give the training
on how to use the equipment as well as the ejection seat, survival kit, and
parachute (once every six months). So, it was also my job to give this
training to "non" aircrew members who got a ride in the F-4.
Most people are nervous about a ride in the F-4 in the first place but the
training scares the sh*t out of them. There are about twenty ways the
ejection seat can kill you and only one in which it will save your life.
Then if you make it out of the plane, the parachute has another twenty ways
to kill you, etc, etc. Of course 99.99% of the time, the seat and chute
work just fine but I was forced to cover the other JUST IN CASE.
Anyway, I now have a person thinking about all the ways he can die, so of
course, what to eat always comes up. I always said "MEXICAN". The looks I
would get. It is the last thing they thought they would hear. They would
then say WHY?????
"Because, it looks the same going down as it looks coming up." :-)
It truth, I would tell them to eat something because if you got sick and had
nothing in side you, it is hard to get the "dry heaves" to stop. Eat a
little of something that your system liked. I never thought of bananas but
they sound like a good idea.
I gave a lot of these rides because I promised to never try to make anybody
sick. Of course, if they asked for a loop and that made them sick so be it.
The best ride I gave was to a young enlisted weapons loading troop. He
said he wanted to do it all. He did fine on the first couple of acro
maneuvers but finally got sick. Normally, they would just ask to be taken
home at that point. We didn't have voice activitived intercom but flew with
the mics on or "hot mic" (the noise was controlled by being inside the
oxygen mask). You had to release one side of the mask if you got sick, so
you could do your business into the sicksack. I didn't want to hear them be
sick as well as all the engine noise made using the radio hard so I always
made sure they knew how to go "cold mic". After a maneuver, I hear the
click of him going cold mic so I know he is sick. I fly the plane straight
and level to try to not make the matter worse. But, I think the ride is
over and he will want to go home as soon as possible. A minute later, he
comes back up hot mic and says do something else. The next half hour was
spent with me turning the jet inside out with periods of him going cold mic
and a minute or two later yelling MORE. After the ride he told me, he knew
this was his only chance to fly in the F-4 and he didn't care how sick he
got, he wanted to do it all.
On the other end of the spectrum, I had one of my own life support techs and
he had made a bet with a young lady I had flown a week before. She didn't
get sick but she didn't want to do anything after the aileron roll. He had
been ragging on her for being a wuss. I knew I was in trouble as we walked
out to the plane. I am 5' 9" and at my max allowable weight and he is 6' 4"
and is a body builder. So there go Mutt and Jeff walking across the ramp.
As I look at him, he is GREEN. I get him strapped in, start the engines,
and taxi to the end of the runway. All the time, I was talking in a manner
to hopefully calm him down. As we pull onto the runway, I tell him if he
wants to stop I will taxi off the runway but if he says go and I lit the ABs
it is too late. He says go. So, I lit the ABs and off down the runway we
go, the nose wheel liftoff is 135 KNOTS and takeoff speed is 180 KNOTS.
Somewhere between those two speeds, I hear sounds of him being sick. WE
WERE STILL ON THE GROUND. He lost the bet.
The reporter said don't go (I think he was joking). But I say, if you were
to get a chance to fly in a jet fighter, GO GO GO !!!!!! Will you get sick,
it depends on what type of flight it is and YOU. About fifty percent do get
sick so why sorry about it. Just keep asking for more after each visit to
the sicksack, and you will have the ride of your life. Am I something
special because I don't get sick, NO. I just have had lots of training and
experience. If I took a couple of weeks off, I can tell you that the G's
seems harder and the body would start to complain.
Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
APV - Harmon Rocket II N561FS
it is not a jet but it is a rocket :-)
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| Subject: | IO-360 induction |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Bean <jim-bean@att.net>
I am trying to fit the fiberglass induction pipe from Vans that goes to
a front induction throttle body on an IO-360. It is a fairly old piece,
part of a 1999 kit. The problem is that it dosn't clear the starter by a
lot. What have people done with this? Were later examples better?
I could chop a big piece out of the top of it and make it fit but glass
is not my favorite medium. All-metal kit right! Also what would a chop
job do to the airflow and the structural strength. Big vacuum inside.
Anyway what is the community experience with this?
TIA Jim Bean
RV-8 engine room
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| Subject: | Re: Avery RV Jack Stand Kit |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
At 11:59 AM -0400 5/18/03, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Ronschreck99@aol.com
>
>I bought Avery's RV Jack Stand Kit (Part # 561-1, catalog page 62, $35)
>recently and come to find that the hole through the axle on my RV-8 isn't big
>enough or deep enough. It is a 3/4 inch hole which is 3/4 inch deep. The
>jack stand needs a 7/8 inch hole about 3 1/2 inches deep! The Avery catalog
>says the jack stand is for use with Wittman Style hollow axles. I just
>assumed that all RV's use the same axle. (Somebody once told me never to
>assume anything when building an RV but I was picking my nose at the time.)
>
>Here's my question. Should I (1):pack the jack stand up and return it to
>Avery? (2): Go buy some Wittman axles for the RV; and where do I get those?
>(3): Drill my axles out to 7/8 inch for a 3 1/2 inch depth and hope they
>don't break on my first landing? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>Thanks.
>
>
>Ron Schreck
>RV-8, Charlotte NC
>
The RV-8 has different axles than any of the other RVs, so it is no
surprise that this doesn't work. The other RVs have axles that are
bent on the end of the Wittman style spring steel gear legs. The
RV-8 has aluminum axles that bolt on the end of the flat gear legs.
Aluminum is not nearly as strong as steel, so that probably explains
why the RV-8 axles have a smaller diameter hole, to give more wall
thickness.
I think you would be taking too big a risk of an axle failure if you
drilled them out. Even if the static strength was still OK, you
could easily create a stress riser that would lead to a fatigue crack
and eventual axle failure. An axle failure could lead to a very
nasty accident. I strongly recommend you find another way to jack
the aircraft.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Madness |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Hi Larry
I've noticed the same on my elevators. I ffund that I had to turn one of
the bearings in 1/2 a turn to line up the elevators just a tad better.
Bolts would go in okay but noticed a slight tugging on the elevator spar.
I also decided NOT to use any washers around the center bearing as it
would really force the elevators apart. used the same rational, the
elevator horns will perform the same function.
Larry Bowen wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
>
> My RV-8 elevators swing in the breeze with all bolts in place .....
> Until I torque them down. Then there is considerable less 'free
> travel'. I can see the rod end bearing are content to rotate on the
> bolt, but tightened down, the rod end is forced to rotate on the
> bearing, and doesn't like to do so. Everything is lubed nicely. Any
> other ideas?
>
> Also, the inboard ends of the elevator control horns fit snug up against
> the middle bearing. Forcing the 5702-95-30 washers in there makes the
> whole assembly stiffer. So, I'm not going to use the washers. My logic
> is that the control horns themselves will perform the function of
> containing the bearing should it fail, since it is right up against it.
> And that is the only purpose of the washer. Sound thinking?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
> 2003 - The year of flight!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: IO-360 induction |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Cimino" <jcimino@echoes.net>
I had to cut and paste...the fit was not good. You do have a SkyTec
Starter? I spent a lot of time getting it to fit. I think there are some
pictures on web page.
Jim
James Cimino
RV-8 SN 80039
80+ Hours
570-842-4057
http://www.geocities.com/jcimino.geo/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Bean" <jim-bean@att.net>
Subject: RV-List: IO-360 induction
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Bean <jim-bean@att.net>
>
> I am trying to fit the fiberglass induction pipe from Vans that goes to
> a front induction throttle body on an IO-360. It is a fairly old piece,
> part of a 1999 kit. The problem is that it dosn't clear the starter by a
> lot. What have people done with this? Were later examples better?
>
> I could chop a big piece out of the top of it and make it fit but glass
> is not my favorite medium. All-metal kit right! Also what would a chop
> job do to the airflow and the structural strength. Big vacuum inside.
> Anyway what is the community experience with this?
>
> TIA Jim Bean
> RV-8 engine room
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Madness |
--> RV-List message posted by: "William Davis" <rvpilot@695online.com>
Larry,
Sounds like you are putting some side force on the bearings when you tighten
down the bolts. You need to experiment with some thick & thin #10 washers
between the bearings and the brackets until the side pressure is eliminated.
Bill N48WD Tiger-Kat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
Subject: RV-List: Elevator Madness
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
>
> My RV-8 elevators swing in the breeze with all bolts in place .....
> Until I torque them down. Then there is considerable less 'free
> travel'. I can see the rod end bearing are content to rotate on the
> bolt, but tightened down, the rod end is forced to rotate on the
> bearing, and doesn't like to do so. Everything is lubed nicely. Any
> other ideas?
>
> Also, the inboard ends of the elevator control horns fit snug up against
> the middle bearing. Forcing the 5702-95-30 washers in there makes the
> whole assembly stiffer. So, I'm not going to use the washers. My logic
> is that the control horns themselves will perform the function of
> containing the bearing should it fail, since it is right up against it.
> And that is the only purpose of the washer. Sound thinking?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
> 2003 - The year of flight!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: HVLP guns with a compressor? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
Mark,
I've been using a "Sears 2hp 20gal, 9scfm at 40psi" compressor with $170
DeVilbiss HVLP top cup gun - for corrosion control. Have NOT done any large
scale EXTERIOR painting, yet, but just bought the paint. I've had no
problem with quality - as long as I avoid WAXED cups!
- I run about 10psi at the heel of the gun - not much to get good spray
quality. Use Line pattern, not Round (circular) pattern.
When I start exterior, I'll be aware that I may have to let compressor catch
up occasionally.
David Carter
----- Original Message -----
From: <czechsix@juno.com>
Subject: RV-List: HVLP guns with a compressor?
> --> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
>
> Guys,
>
> In getting ready to paint my -8A, I'm pondering my options for paint
> guns. Specifically, I have a 5 hp compressor with a 20 gal tank, which
> is less than recommended for HVLP guns made to work with a compressor (as
> opposed to the more expensive dedicated turbine blower units). Have
> others on the List successfully used a compressor/tank of this size with
> an HVLP? My thinking is that with my paint scheme, the top and bottom of
> my wings are different colors....same with my fuselage which has one
> color on the top half and a different color on the lower half. So, at
> most I'll need to be able to paint one side of a wing or one half of the
> fuselage before I run out of air capacity. Anyone out there able to say
> from experience whether this is possible or not?
>
> If not, I'll go with conventional spray gun and just eat the extra
> overspray...well not literally I hope : )
>
> Thanks,
>
> --Mark Navratil
> Cedar Rapids, Iowa
> RV-8A N2D finishing....
>
> The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
> Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing cooling (another wacky idea); pressure recovery & flyin |
notice
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
http://www.airandspacemagazine.com/ASM/mag/supp/jj99/Mustang.html
Here is a good discussion of the Meredith effect and how liquid cooling,
properly employed, made the Mustang the awesome machine it is.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
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| Subject: | Re: HVLP guns with a compressor? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Mark,
For what it's worth, you'll get a better job with a conventional gun
than with HVLP. The HVLP guys will argue with me but the reason the
high volume low pressure system was created was NOT so you could get a
better paint job, but for "air quality" reasons, and the paint job
quality suffers especially if you're an amateur.
So I guess that my vote is for conventional! :>)
Dave
czechsix@juno.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
>
>Guys,
>
>In getting ready to paint my -8A, I'm pondering my options for paint
>guns. Specifically, I have a 5 hp compressor with a 20 gal tank, which
>is less than recommended for HVLP guns made to work with a compressor (as
>opposed to the more expensive dedicated turbine blower units). Have
>others on the List successfully used a compressor/tank of this size with
>an HVLP? My thinking is that with my paint scheme, the top and bottom of
>my wings are different colors....same with my fuselage which has one
>color on the top half and a different color on the lower half. So, at
>most I'll need to be able to paint one side of a wing or one half of the
>fuselage before I run out of air capacity. Anyone out there able to say
>from experience whether this is possible or not?
>
>If not, I'll go with conventional spray gun and just eat the extra
>overspray...well not literally I hope : )
>
>Thanks,
>
>--Mark Navratil
>Cedar Rapids, Iowa
>RV-8A N2D finishing....
>
>The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
>Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: HVLP guns with a compressor? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Parallel "might "work but not series. You're looking for more volume not
pressure.
Dave
Terry Watson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
>Mark,
>
>This is not based on my own experience but something I'm sure I read on this
>list in the past: connect another compressor and tank in series with yours.
>You might be able to borrow the compressor for the duration of the painting.
>Hopefully someone with experience with this will comment.
>
>Terry
>
>Subject: RV-List: HVLP guns with a compressor?
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
>
>Guys,
>
>In getting ready to paint my -8A, I'm pondering my options for paint
>guns. Specifically, I have a 5 hp compressor with a 20 gal tank, which
>is less than recommended for HVLP guns made to work with a compressor (as
>opposed to the more expensive dedicated turbine blower units). Have
>others on the List successfully used a compressor/tank of this size with
>an HVLP? <snip>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: HVLP guns with a compressor? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Dave Bristol wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
>
> Mark,
> For what it's worth, you'll get a better job with a conventional gun
> than with HVLP. The HVLP guys will argue with me but the reason the
> high volume low pressure system was created was NOT so you could get a
> better paint job, but for "air quality" reasons, and the paint job
> quality suffers especially if you're an amateur.
> So I guess that my vote is for conventional! :>)
>
> Dave
I concur. The best finish on my plane is the canopy frame which I shot
with a small, conventional, detail gun. The surface is definitely
smoother than the HVLP finish. I never could totally eliminate orange
peel with the HVLP gun. I think the output is just too "dry" to
consistently get the "wet flow" that is possible with a conventional
gun......unless you are a pro that uses the equipment every day.
And if you look at the finish on many late-model autos, you can see that
even the high$$$$ robots can't spray very well with HVLP.
But, the HVLP will allow you to develop a close relationship with 1200
sandpaper, your buffing pad and finish compound. ;-)
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: HVLP guns with a compressor? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "mark phillips" <mphill@gcctv.com>
I agree with Dave, I have a Accuspray Issac HVLP gravity feed and a Binks
BBR. The paint jobs that I have done in the past with the BBR are vastly
superior compared to the Issac. Orange peel is a factor with the Issac, but
if you want to save material, (ex. paint,primer) then the HVLP would be the
way to go.----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Bristol" <bj034@lafn.org>
Subject: Re: RV-List: HVLP guns with a compressor?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
>
> Mark,
> For what it's worth, you'll get a better job with a conventional gun
> than with HVLP. The HVLP guys will argue with me but the reason the
> high volume low pressure system was created was NOT so you could get a
> better paint job, but for "air quality" reasons, and the paint job
> quality suffers especially if you're an amateur.
> So I guess that my vote is for conventional! :>)
>
> Dave
>
> czechsix@juno.com wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
> >
> >Guys,
> >
> >In getting ready to paint my -8A, I'm pondering my options for paint
> >guns. Specifically, I have a 5 hp compressor with a 20 gal tank, which
> >is less than recommended for HVLP guns made to work with a compressor (as
> >opposed to the more expensive dedicated turbine blower units). Have
> >others on the List successfully used a compressor/tank of this size with
> >an HVLP? My thinking is that with my paint scheme, the top and bottom of
> >my wings are different colors....same with my fuselage which has one
> >color on the top half and a different color on the lower half. So, at
> >most I'll need to be able to paint one side of a wing or one half of the
> >fuselage before I run out of air capacity. Anyone out there able to say
> >from experience whether this is possible or not?
> >
> >If not, I'll go with conventional spray gun and just eat the extra
> >overspray...well not literally I hope : )
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >--Mark Navratil
> >Cedar Rapids, Iowa
> >RV-8A N2D finishing....
> >
> >The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
> >Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Firewall hinges RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Geoff Evans <hellothaimassage@yahoo.com>
This may sound like a dumb question, but I don't want to do a lot of work
that I may have to re-do later.
Where the instruction manual talks about drilling and installing the forward
baggage door strips on the F-801 firewall and F-802 bulkhead top flanges, it
doesn't mention anything about the hinges on the firewall flange. The drawing
shows the hinges on the firewall with some notes about "shim as necessary,"
but that's it.
Is the rest of the hinge information with the finish kit? Should I wait to
install the hinge on the top of the firewall until I have the cowling, or can
I install this half of the hinge now and adjust the other half on the cowling
as necessary to make it fit correctly later?
The manual talks about using a few keeper rivets to hold the baggage door
strips in place while drilling the top skin. These keeper rivets will
obviously have to go through the hinge (if I install the hinge now) or else
be removed later in order to install the hinge.
What's the best thing to do here? Put the hinges on the firewall or just lay
them aside until I get the cowling?
Thanks.
-Geoff
RV-8 QB
__________________________________
http://search.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10, oh no an opinion!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Since the opinions are flying...
Let me offer my different view. There is indeed a market for a four place kit
and there are currently a few companies selling into that market. Unfortunately,
the offerings are very limited - especially if you want something from a company
that's been around for a while. One of the problems with the glass planes
is that insurance is very steep. To top if off, the major glass kits are
only being marketed as a single kit - you have to cough up ~$50K-$70K on day 1
for the kit (for the fixed gear variety). There are other 4 place models out
there but seem to trade off speed for other factors and in my opinion don't
seem to fit the mainstream market very well.
From reading the email traffic on the RV-10 it appears that some are ready to order
right now. I almost am too but am trying taking a bit more of a wait and
see attitude. I believe that Van's is a reputable company but I'd really like
to see the final weight and speed numbers of an airplane instead of an airplane
design. I'm also really interested in what the CG envelope will look like.
Of course it will be more expensive that the two seaters, but it will also
be available in sub-kits just like the two seaters permiting the pain to be spread
out. That single factor alone might drive a bunch of sales since financing
airplane kits is difficult at best and the competition prefers to cater to
the "write one big check" crowd.
Bottom line is that I'm waiting and holding my breath like many others. Best of
luck to the crew at Van's.
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca <mailto:wjoke@shaw.ca?subject=Re:%20RV-10,%20oh%20no%20an%20opinion!!&replyto=200305180254.h4I2sLV12487@matronics.com> >
Valid points from Sam and it appears Van's knows the RV-10 will be have
to
sell in a different market.
How different? Well, I have seen lots of mention of shiny new C/S O-360s
and
IFR capable GPSs going into RV-6s, 7s, and 8s, which means the cost of
Van's
kits is down around 25% of the finished cost of say $60-70k at minimum.
That's fine and everyone is certainly welcome to build at this level if
that
the flavour they choose but the point is a "basic" RV-10 will probably
not
be much different in cost than some of the more "delux" RV6/7/8s.
A recent Flying magazine had a feature on used Cessna 182s - the writer
seemed to feel a 25 year old Skylane with a half life engine and average
avionics was an excellent buy at $90-$100 k. Stir in $50k worth of new
avionics and you would have a pretty good airplane was the spin.
I would suggest the cost comparision to make is thus not a $75k RV-10 versus
a $40k RV-6 but against a $100k used Skylane. If it can be shown that an
RV-10 will provide similar utility as a Skylane then the choice becomes
attractive one even figuring the 3-5 years construction time in. (New
Skylanes are available at $250,000 for those so interested, of course.)
Ongoing costs of ownership should also favour an RV-10.
Jim Oke
Winnipeg, MB
(not shopping for Skylanes at this time)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc@hiwaay.net <mailto:sbuc@hiwaay.net?subject=Re:%20RV-10,%20oh%20no%20an%20opinion!!&replyto=200305180254.h4I2sLV12487@matronics.com> >
To: <rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com?subject=Re:%20RV-10,%20oh%20no%20an%20opinion!!&replyto=200305180254.h4I2sLV12487@matronics.com> >
Subject: Re: RV-10, oh no an opinion!!
> Guess it's time for a contrary opinion. ;-)
>
> As long as we are speculating about something that none of us can
> actually foresee, I would like to offer the opinion that the RV-10 will
> be sold in comparatively small quantities. Two S-N-Fs ago I spoke at
> length with Tom Green about the four-place plane they were considering.
> The thrust of the conversation was about the market niche that may or
> may not exist for the RV-10. My contention was that it would be sold
> primarily to individuals that do not represent the current builders of
> the two-place designs. The current RVs are wildly popular because they
> hit a financial "sweet spot" that many, many builders can accommodate.
> While there are builders of current models that have the financial
> resources to spend whatever money they wish on a project, I suggest that
> most RVs have been built by folks that are at their financial limit (or
> beyond!) for a hobby project. The range of $40K-$60K for a project is
> attainable for a large number of builders who can not spend $100K+ for
a
> more sophisticated design.
>
> But.........$40K-$60K will not come close to building an RV-10. And this
> was the point of my discussion with Tom. This means the RV-10 will fall
> into a vastly different market niche than the current models. Tom
> readily agreed with my assessment and stated that there was concern
> within management that they might be designing a plane that might be
> difficult to sell in quantities that would be profitable. But, he said
> that the company is now financially secure enough that they can "roll
> the dice" and see what the market can bear. If the RV-10 is as
> successful as some of the listers have predicted, then the competition
> will have another 800 lb gorilla to deal with! If not, then it was Tom's
> opinion that Vans could carry the expense of the four-place experiment
> without unduly impacting the bottom line.
>
> The reasons I predict the RV-10 will be built in relatively small
> quantities are thus:
>
> 1) The completed cost will be far above what most current RV builders
> are experiencing, because....
>
> 2) Most RV-10 builders will not be able to justify such a plane with
> VFR-only capabilities. This means that serious panels are going to be
> installed, which means that.....
>
> 3) The engine/prop expenses will be considerably higher since who will
> want to put a half-worn-out motor in a nice four-place plane with a nice
> panel, which means.....
>
> 4) Insurance cost will be considerably higher since the hull value will
> escalate, and four souls are now at risk.
>
> 5) The biggest chunk of potential buyers will be those who have
> absolutely no interest in building a plane. Will they overcome their
> aversion to building in sufficient quantities to abandon their Mooneys,
> Cherokees, and Cessnas, and create a substantial fleet of RV-10s?
>
> All this means that Vans is striking out into a market far, far
> different than the one they have dominated for fifteen years. There is
> no doubt the RV-10 will be a nice kit, but $100,000 dollars will buy
> some decent certificated four place planes. All the points I have raised
> have been thoroughly examined by the management of Vans, and due to the
> maturity of the company, they are willing to have a go to see what
> happens.
>
> But ask the guys at Vans if they predict a runaway best seller, and I
> suspect you will receive a subdued answer at this point in time. I wish
> the very best for the RV-10 endeavor and expect it to be well received
> by the builders who decide this project fits their needs and budgets.
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
>
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