Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:14 AM - Re: pricing (Scott Bilinski)
2. 06:16 AM - Re: RV-10 Autopilot (TruTrak Flight Systems)
3. 06:16 AM - Re: Renters insurance (John Helms)
4. 07:10 AM - Re: pricing (Dwpetrus@aol.com)
5. 07:18 AM - RV kit for sale (Bob Binzer)
6. 07:19 AM - RV-6 for Sale (dirtyrottenscoundrels@attbi.com)
7. 08:33 AM - Re: RV-6 for Sale (John Bright)
8. 09:05 AM - 295 vs 196 (Bill VonDane)
9. 09:10 AM - Re: new rv-3 design (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
10. 09:29 AM - RV-6 for Sale - URL Fixed (dirtyrottenscoundrels@attbi.com)
11. 09:42 AM - Re: new rv-3 design / Tailwheel etc. (Perry Rhoads)
12. 09:43 AM - Re: 295 vs 196 (Terry Watson)
13. 09:45 AM - Re: pricing (Keith and Jean Williams)
14. 09:52 AM - Re: 295 vs 196 (Larry Bowen)
15. 10:01 AM - RV-10 first flight yet? (Ken Balch)
16. 10:14 AM - Flying to MN (N13eer@aol.com)
17. 11:06 AM - Re: 295 vs 196 (Peter Laurence)
18. 11:36 AM - Re: pricing (P M Condon)
19. 11:46 AM - RV-6 for Sale (dirtyrottenscoundrels@attbi.com)
20. 12:26 PM - LED MAP Lights (Bill VonDane)
21. 12:32 PM - Re: 295 vs 196 (Hal Rozema)
22. 12:47 PM - Re: LED MAP Lights (Chris W)
23. 01:24 PM - Re: RV-6 for Sale (Doug Rozendaal)
24. 01:28 PM - 7 to 6 fin and rudder (David.vonLinsowe)
25. 01:39 PM - Re: LED MAP Lights (Brian Denk)
26. 01:55 PM - Re: pricing (Francis Malczynski)
27. 02:06 PM - Camping (Francis Malczynski)
28. 02:14 PM - Re: HVLP Painting (Bob Newman)
29. 02:16 PM - Wires in wing (Mark Schrimmer)
30. 02:23 PM - Re: Camping (Canyon)
31. 02:34 PM - Re: LED MAP Lights (Bill VonDane)
32. 02:41 PM - Re: Wires in wing (N223RV@aol.com)
33. 03:34 PM - Re: Flying to MN (Kenneth Beene)
34. 03:47 PM - Re: Camping (Jack Textor)
35. 04:05 PM - Re: Camping (Gary & Carolyn Zilik)
36. 04:10 PM - Was Flying to MN now fuel price's (Scott Bilinski)
37. 04:32 PM - Re: 295 vs 196 (Jerry Calvert)
38. 04:32 PM - Re: Camping (Rob Prior)
39. 04:32 PM - Re: Wires in wing (Keith Vasey)
40. 04:47 PM - Re: LED MAP Lights (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
41. 05:07 PM - Re: Camping (Laird Owens)
42. 05:27 PM - Re: Elevator Madness (William Davis)
43. 05:51 PM - Re: Flying to MN (Doug Weiler)
44. 06:12 PM - Re: LED MAP Lights (Paul Besing)
45. 06:44 PM - Re: Camping (Dan Checkoway)
46. 06:54 PM - Wires in Wing (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
47. 07:02 PM - Removing N-number? (Steve J Hurlbut)
48. 07:11 PM - Re: RV-10 first flight yet? (WALTER KERR)
49. 07:23 PM - Re: RV-10 Autopilot (Robin Wessel)
50. 07:42 PM - Re: Camping (Charlie & Tupper England)
51. 07:53 PM - Re: 295 vs 196 (Dan DeNeal)
52. 08:07 PM - Re: Camping (Jim Oke)
53. 08:15 PM - Re: Removing N-number? (Konrad Werner)
54. 08:16 PM - Re: Wires in Wing (Jim Oke)
55. 08:24 PM - Re: Removing N-number? (Doug Weiler)
56. 08:27 PM - Mail (KIM R JOHNSON)
57. 08:29 PM - Re: Removing N-number? (Steven Eberhart)
58. 08:37 PM - Re: Camping (kempthornes)
59. 08:38 PM - Re: Removing N-number? (Jeff Orear)
60. 09:19 PM - Re: Camping and fire risk (Jim Jewell)
61. 09:19 PM - Re: pricing (Jeff Dowling)
62. 09:22 PM - Re: Removing N-number? (Jim Jewell)
63. 09:34 PM - Re: 7 to 6 fin and rudder (Jeff Dowling)
64. 09:39 PM - Dimple HS skin on forward 707 rivet line? ()
65. 09:47 PM - tow bar rv6 (bert murillo)
66. 10:47 PM - Re: Dimple HS skin on forward 707 rivet line? (Jeff Point)
67. 11:13 PM - Re: LED MAP Lights (Randall Henderson)
68. 11:52 PM - Re: Dimple HS skin on forward 707 rivet line? (Dan Checkoway)
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--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Add 5K for unforseen stuff and you might squeak by. Van's price does not
cover paint. I am just finishing up painting and used Polyurathane (PPG)
cost was 1500.00 just in supplies.
At 06:49 PM 5/19/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Sargentclt@cs.com
>
>
> I understand there are many variables to building a kit aircraft, but
>I am trying to figure approximately what I would spend to finish one. For
>example assume the following. I find an o-320 engine for 7-10 thousand
>dollars, I paint the bird myself, use vans instruments to get the airplane
>flying. I need to keep the instruments simple for cost reasons and upgrades
>later. What would I need to allocate for this venture. Vans has
>approximately 35 thousand as a finish price. Is this reasonable. All
>replies would be appreciated and any figures will not be passed on to your
>wives for a small donation. Thanks
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Autopilot |
--> RV-List message posted by: "TruTrak Flight Systems" <info@trutrakflightsystems.com>
It's a DigiFlight 200VS autopilot -- TruTrak.
Andrew Barker
TruTrak Flight Systems
479-751-0250
www.trutrakap.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV-10 Autopilot
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
>
> Does anyone know which autopilot is in the RV-10 prototype? Just
wondering, I see from the pictures that there is a servo on the elevator
push tube.
>
> do not archive
>
> Pat Hatch
> RV-4
> RV-6
> RV-7 QB (Building)
> Vero Beach, FL
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Renters insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Gert, the only companies that do 'renter's' (really called non-owned)
coverage are AIG (thru many brokers and all at the same pricing) and AVEMCO.
AIG's application form has the prices printed right on it.
AVEMCO's liability has the same drawbacks as their airplane coverages do.
The liability limits are sublimited per PERSON as opposed to AIG's per
PASSENGER. AVEMCO limits anyones bodily injury whether inside or outside
the plane.
I have heard the Global is thinking of coming out with a non owner policy,
but haven't seen it yet. They do a non owner coverage now, but for CFI's
thru NAFI.
John "JT" Helms
Branch Manager
NationAir Insurance Agency
Pleasure and Business Branch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gert" <gert@execpc.com>
Subject: RV-List: Renters insurance
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
I found out my flight school/FBO now strongly suggests I carry renters
insurance.
Can anybody recommend a company/broker, and, what kind of
prices/coverages are available.
So far, I am pretty consistent in getting 250K liability and 60K
hull/non-owner for $750.-/yr any better deals in town..
Thanks
Gert
--
is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
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--> RV-List message posted by: Dwpetrus@aol.com
My guess is 50 to 55 thousand for a basic finished airplane?
Wayne Petrus
RV8A
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"RV" <rv-list@matronics.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Binzer" <robinzer@seidata.com>
Due to aging and constant battle for medical I have decided to sell the prepunched
Wings and Empennage kit Purchased from Van's on 3/30/98, that consists of
the following:
RV-6 Empenage, complete, (except for tips)
Left wing: on Phlogiston spar nearly complete, Aileron mounted, next step is mount
the flap, top skin must be installed. Wiring for strobe/light installed, tubing
and ports for for AOA installed. Landing light installed. Air speed tubing
installed. Gas tank installed and tested with avas. Tie down completed. Wing
tip is not installed.
Right wing: gas tank complete and tested with avgas,(unmounted)
aileron and flap constructed, (unmounted) aileron control backet complete. Spar,
is complete as received from Phlogiston.
Ribs have been straightened and ready to be installed on spar.
All skins and material to complete the wings are included in the sale.
Stobes are tested monthly,(Not installed), several instruments are available. AOA
by Proprietary Software Systems is available.
If interested plese contact by E-mail (robinzer@seidata.com)
I expect to be out of town some, so no phone calls please, I am in Madison, Indiana.
(KIMS)
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--> RV-List message posted by: dirtyrottenscoundrels@attbi.com
Hi,
I have my RV-6 up for sale. Here is a link to all the info...
http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/5fb06c34/bc/RV-6/For+Sale.pdf?bcOpjy.A0fHXMxDZ
Glenn Gordon
RV-6, N442E
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| Subject: | Re: RV-6 for Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: John Bright <johninvaus@yahoo.com>
Glen:
Link does not work.
do not archive
> --> RV-List message posted by:
> dirtyrottenscoundrels@attbi.com
>
> Hi,
>
> I have my RV-6 up for sale. Here is a link to all
> the info...
__________________________________
http://search.yahoo.com
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"vansairforce" <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Ok... I have searched the archives to no avail...
What kind of advice can I get regarding the Garmin 295 vs the 196? The 196 is
supposed to be faster, but is the 295 fast enough? Can you see the 295 clearly
in any light condition? Anyone out there flow both of them that can give us
a real world comparison?
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A
www.vondane.com
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| Subject: | Re: new rv-3 design |
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
In a message dated 05/19/2003 9:45:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com writes:
> Well I think that Van should improve on the 3 in these ways.
>
> 1. include the new composite cowl. (will accept bigger engines and get rid
> of the cowl cheeks)
>
> 2. allow the use of the 8 wings. (this will get rid of the so called weak
> wing)
>
> 3. put a nose gear on the thing. (this will piss off the hard liners lol
> lol) and get vans some new orders.
>
> 4. rename it to the rv 3 1/2 A (modified)
>
> what do Ya'll thank.
>
> Glenn Williams
> do not archive
>
You forgot the second seat.
But then you would just have an RV-8A.
Some improvements, don't.
Jim Ayers
RV-3 N47RV sn 50 (with whimpy wings and 243 cu. in. engine) :-)
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | RV-6 for Sale - URL Fixed |
--> RV-List message posted by: dirtyrottenscoundrels@attbi.com
Hi,
I have my RV-6 up for sale. Here is a link to all the info...
http://n442e.freewebpage.org/forsale.pdf
Glenn Gordon
RV-6, N442E
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| Subject: | Re: new rv-3 design / Tailwheel etc. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Perry Rhoads" <perryrhoads@ctnet.net>
The spring is completely different. The wheel diameter is the same, I think.
Perry Rhoads
RV-3
N96GW
----- Original Message -----
From: James Connell <conneljr@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: RV-List: new rv-3 design / Tailwheel etc.
> --> RV-List message posted by: James Connell <conneljr@bigpond.net.au>
>
> Could any listers please advise if the current RV 3 tailwheel setup is the
> same as the 6 & 7, IE. Same wheel diameter, tailwheel spring length /
> diameter etc. Thank you . James C.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: new rv-3 design
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Lets see......
> > 1. If you make the cowl without cheeks, the cockpit has to be wider to
fit
> > the "bigger" engines/cowl combo.
> > 2. You could use a modified -4 wing.
> > 3. "P.Off" is not quite a good enough reason to go tri gear,
> > 4. Lets see..... Except for the tri gear take a look at HRI, single seat
> BUT
> > if you really want to go fast consider the HRIII.
> > Dang... That means ya gotta do the lay out and jig work, measure & drill
> all
> > dem holes, adjust and build to fit. iffen ya'll aint sawed the HRIII
yet,
> > use is in fir a rare treat. Betcha it'll be on display at Bakersfield
BBQ
> on
> > the 31st of this month. See ya there. Do Not Archive. KABONG (GBA)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <glenn.williams@businessacft.bombardier.com>
> > > Well I think that Van should improve on the 3 in these ways.
> > >
> > > 1. include the new composite cowl. (will accept bigger engines and get
> rid
> > > of the cowl cheeks)
> > >
> > > 2. allow the use of the 8 wings. (this will get rid of the so called
> weak
> > > wing)
> > >
> > > 3. put a nose gear on the thing. (this will piss off the hard liners
lol
> > > lol) and get vans some new orders.
> > >
> > > 4. rename it to the rv 3 1/2 A (modified)
> > >
> > > what do Ya'll thank.
> > >
> > > Glenn Williams
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Bill,
I have flown with my Garmin 196 a few times and like it a lot. I also use
it in my car and truck with the driving software. I flew in the back seat
of Mike Robbins RV-8 with his Garmin 295 and my Garmin 196 both going, and I
did prefer the 196, although it really wasn't a fair or thorough comparison.
I believe the only advantage of the 295 is the color, which is more than
offset by the higher resolution of the monochrome 196. The 196 has
adjustable backlighting and contrast so you can make it readable pretty much
no matter what the lighting conditions. Color is nice, but my preference
would definitely be for the 196.
Terry
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Ok... I have searched the archives to no avail...
What kind of advice can I get regarding the Garmin 295 vs the 196? The 196
is supposed to be faster, but is the 295 fast enough? Can you see the 295
clearly in any light condition? Anyone out there flow both of them that can
give us a real world comparison?
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A
www.vondane.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Keith and Jean Williams" <kandjwilliams@mchsi.com>
Contact me off list and I will send an Excel spreadsheet with everything I
spent on my RV6. Its a little old but representative of what one needs.
Keith W.
Moline IL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Sargentclt@cs.com
Subject: RV-List: pricing
--> RV-List message posted by: Sargentclt@cs.com
I understand there are many variables to building a kit aircraft, but
I am trying to figure approximately what I would spend to finish one. For
example assume the following. I find an o-320 engine for 7-10 thousand
dollars, I paint the bird myself, use vans instruments to get the airplane
flying. I need to keep the instruments simple for cost reasons and upgrades
later. What would I need to allocate for this venture. Vans has
approximately 35 thousand as a finish price. Is this reasonable. All
replies would be appreciated and any figures will not be passed on to your
wives for a small donation. Thanks
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
I've owned both. I like the 196 a lot more. Faster, better resolution,
better in sunlight, better with batteries, cheaper?, more misc. features,
etc. You won't regret getting 196!
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Bill VonDane said:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Ok... I have searched the archives to no avail...
>
> What kind of advice can I get regarding the Garmin 295 vs the 196? The
> 196 is supposed to be faster, but is the 295 fast enough? Can you see the
> 295 clearly in any light condition? Anyone out there flow both of them
> that can give us a real world comparison?
>
> -Bill VonDane
> RV-8A
> www.vondane.com
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-10 first flight yet? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch1@attbi.com>
I heard from one of the Van's guys (nameless here to protect the
innocent) that yesterday (the 19th) was their target date for the RV-10
first flight. Can anyone in the Aurora area confirm or deny that it
happened on schedule yesterday?
Regards,
Ken Balch
RV-8 N118KB (in the paint shop)
RV-10 wannabe
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--> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
Any of you Minnesota RVers ever fly into the Belle Plaine airport (7Y7). I'm thinking
of flying up to visit Dad, 7Y7 is a grass strip a mile from his house
and I'm just wondering about the quality of the field. I don't mind going into
grass as long as there are no big ruts or holes.
Thanks,
Alan Kritzman
RV-8 N8EM
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--> RV-List message posted by: Peter Laurence <dr.laurence@mbdi.org>
I'll second that!
Peter
> I've owned both. I like the 196 a lot more. Faster, better resolution,
> better in sunlight, better with batteries, cheaper?, more misc. features,
> etc. You won't regret getting 196!
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> Bill VonDane said:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
> >
> > Ok... I have searched the archives to no avail...
> >
> > What kind of advice can I get regarding the Garmin 295 vs the 196? The
> > 196 is supposed to be faster, but is the 295 fast enough? Can you see
the
> > 295 clearly in any light condition? Anyone out there flow both of them
> > that can give us a real world comparison?
> >
> > -Bill VonDane
> > RV-8A
> > www.vondane.com
> >
> >do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: P M Condon <pcondon@mitre.org>
Shipping costs for the 1000 small things you need will add up very
quickly. FWIW, purchase Vans wire3 kit and FWF plumbing kit. That alone
will shave you considerable $$ on piecemeal shipping costs.
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
<kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
Van's estimator has proven to be pretty accurate. If you're a real
scrounger, you can build an airplane for well under the cost Van's
lists.
On the other hand, if cost is no object, or if you're a lazy buyer, your
project can cost much more than the factory estimates.
KB
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--> RV-List message posted by: dirtyrottenscoundrels@attbi.com
Hi,
I am having trouble with the website that is hosting the PDF information file I
have compiled on the airplane.
If you are interested, please contact me off the list at ggordon@psiatms.com
I will send out the PDF file ASAP.
Thanks,
Glenn Gordon
RV-6, N442E
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vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
I was looking around on the net today and found these... What do you all think
of using these as MAP lights?
http://www.chill-tek.com/products/led_beamers.html
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A
www.vondane.com
Date: May 08, 2003
From: P M Condon <pcondon@mitre.org>
Subject: re: LED swivel map/night lights ( Help )
Vans and ACS sold a small LED swivel map light in the past( cost about
46$ ). Its the one about the size of a AAA battery and pivots and
swivels and has four LEDs(not the round eyeball, three hole, quarter
sized one) Neither Vans or ACS has these now. I need two of these map
lights...anyone have these in there parts bin or know where I can get
them??? Or, any leads on a LED map light that looks like it belongs in
a airplane ???
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--> RV-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
You just gave the magic number... I send you $700 ... I don't hink so
I wasn't born 26,864 days ago for nothing.
GOODBYE
Peter Laurence wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Peter Laurence <dr.laurence@mbdi.org>
>
> I'll second that!
>
> Peter
>
> > I've owned both. I like the 196 a lot more. Faster, better resolution,
> > better in sunlight, better with batteries, cheaper?, more misc. features,
> > etc. You won't regret getting 196!
> >
> > -
> > Larry Bowen
> > Larry@BowenAero.com
> > http://BowenAero.com
> >
> > Bill VonDane said:
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
> > >
> > > Ok... I have searched the archives to no avail...
> > >
> > > What kind of advice can I get regarding the Garmin 295 vs the 196? The
> > > 196 is supposed to be faster, but is the 295 fast enough? Can you see
> the
> > > 295 clearly in any light condition? Anyone out there flow both of them
> > > that can give us a real world comparison?
> > >
> > > -Bill VonDane
> > > RV-8A
> > > www.vondane.com
> > >
> > >do not archive
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: LED MAP Lights |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
Bill VonDane wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
> I was looking around on the net today and found these... What do you all think
of using these as MAP lights?
>
> http://www.chill-tek.com/products/led_beamers.html
I can't tell from that web page how they are powered. Anyone else see something
I can't. I am guessing that it
hooks to one of the 12 or 5 volt power connections on a standard computer power
connector. But I don't see where
it says anywhere.
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
chrisw@programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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| Subject: | Re: RV-6 for Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
I saw this airplane this weekend and it is REALLY nice.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
----- Original Message -----
From: <dirtyrottenscoundrels@attbi.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV-6 for Sale
> --> RV-List message posted by: dirtyrottenscoundrels@attbi.com
>
> Hi,
> I am having trouble with the website that is hosting the PDF information
file I
> have compiled on the airplane.
>
> If you are interested, please contact me off the list at
ggordon@psiatms.com
>
> I will send out the PDF file ASAP.
>
> Thanks,
> Glenn Gordon
> RV-6, N442E
>
>
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| Subject: | 7 to 6 fin and rudder |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David.vonLinsowe" <David.vonLinsowe@delphi.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "David.vonLinsowe" <David.vonLinsowe@delphi.com>
SGkgZ3V5cywNCg0KQ2FuIHRoZSBvbGQgc3R5bGUgUlYtNyBmaW4gYW5kIHJ1ZGRlciBiZSBpbnN0
YWxsZWQgb24gYSBSVi02IHdpdGhvdXQgYSBsb3QNCm9mIG1vZHM/DQoNClRoYW5rcywNCg0KRGF2
ZQ0KUlYtNiAxODAgQy9TDQo
Hi guys,
With a message like that I can see why I didn't get any response!
What it was suppose to say is: Can the old style RV-7 fin and rudder be installed
on a RV-6? And how much modification does it take?
I have a built 7 rudder and will be building the fin.
Sorry about the gibberish.
Thanks,
Dave
RV-6
180hp C/S
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| Subject: | Re: LED MAP Lights |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
>I was looking around on the net today and found these... What do you all
>think of using these as MAP lights?
>
>http://www.chill-tek.com/products/led_beamers.html
>
>-Bill VonDane
>RV-8A
Bill,
Neato looking lights! I would try to put a piece of black heatshrink around
the body so they don't emit so much light out the sides. Just want directed
light onto the panel and not up towards my eyes.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Francis Malczynski" <ebbfmm@yahoo.com>
Scott, I kept every receipt for every item I spent in constructing my RV-6.
Whether it was a cotter pin from my local hardware store or balloons from
Wal-Mart to test my gas tanks. The total cost was $55,211.66. This included
$18,305 from Aerosport power for a Bart Lalond engine. I also did my own
painting. Some of the more interesting entries in my spreadsheet included
more money spent at NAPA Auto parts then at Aircraft spruce, ($2131 vs
$1731), $1637 for shipping and $23.25 at our local small town grocery store.
The 55K included all tools I bought in support of the project whether they
had any use after the project or not.
In building an airplane you ARE helping the economy to move forward. In
construction of my RV-6 I purchased parts, tools, supplies or services from
64 different businesses across 15 states and one Canadian province. To my
knowledge I did not purchase anything from France, Germany or Russia.
If you would like any additional information, please contact me off list.
Fran Malczynski
RV-6 N594EF
Olcott, NY
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dwpetrus@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: pricing
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwpetrus@aol.com
My guess is 50 to 55 thousand for a basic finished airplane?
Wayne Petrus
RV8A
$18,305.00
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Francis Malczynski" <ebbfmm@yahoo.com>
Now that my plane is finished, my wife and I plan to travel around the US
and see the places and people that we up until now had only dreamed about.
In order to control expenses somewhat, camping is one of the options well
use for overnight stays. Our questions concern the carrying of propane
bottles or Coleman fuel (2 quarts or less) in the baggage compartment. Is
there any risk (other then what would normally be assumed if doing the same
thing by auto) in doing this? This also assumes the containers are
adequately sealed and secured. Any input would be appreciated.
Thanks
Fran Malczynski
RV-6 N594EF
Olcott, NY
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| Subject: | Re: HVLP Painting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Newman" <newmanb@rocketmail.com>
Maybe this is obvious to everyone except us novice painters out there, but HVLP
7-10 PSI is the pressure needed at the cap. But there's no gauge there.
Conversion type HVLP guns usually have a regulator at the inlet to the gun.
You need to set that pressure to about 29 PSI. Much lower, and you will get
orange peel. Orange peel is not mysterious; it occurs when the paint is not
atomized enough. If the pressure is right, and the reducer type/ratio is
right, then the other possible causes are the cap size too large, and (as the
previous post advises) moving the gun too fast.
Best Regards,
Bob
> By the same scale the HVLP only needs about 7-10 PSI
> but requires almost 5 CFM to atomize lacquer.
> Figures may vary from gun to gun but a good starting rule of thumb for
> HVLP is to cut the pressure at least in half and double the CFM as
> compared to a conventional siphon gun.
Bob
newmanb@rocketmail.com
newmanb@rocketmail.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Schrimmer <mschrimmer@pacbell.net>
In the left wing, I need to run wires for the nav light, strobe, landing
light, heated pitot tube and a VOR antenna. Does anybody know if all this
stuff will fit through the corrugated tubing from Van's?
Thanks,
Mark Schrimmer
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--> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
Francis Malczynski wrote:
>Our questions concern the carrying of propane
>bottles or Coleman fuel (2 quarts or less) in the baggage compartment. Is
>there any risk (other then what would normally be assumed if doing the
>same
>thing by auto) in doing this? This also assumes the containers are
>adequately sealed and secured. Any input would be appreciated.
---
There may be other concerns I haven't thought of but the first I would
be concerned about is carrying liquid fuel in a container anywhere in
the cockpit, including the baggage area. Changing 10-12 thousand feet
or more in altitude on a typical container is probably not a good idea
unless the container has the sealing capacity to be certain it won't
suddenly start spewing some fuel around.
And even then, assuming a sudden unexpected forced landing it could be
an additional fire hazard if the landing is rather abrupt. Propane,
properly stored, would be better IMHO. If just interested in camp
lights, buy a good fluorescent camping light. And eat sandwiches that
night. :-)
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: LED MAP Lights |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Good Idear!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: LED MAP Lights
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
>I was looking around on the net today and found these... What do you all
>think of using these as MAP lights?
>
>http://www.chill-tek.com/products/led_beamers.html
>
>-Bill VonDane
>RV-8A
Bill,
Neato looking lights! I would try to put a piece of black heatshrink around
the body so they don't emit so much light out the sides. Just want directed
light onto the panel and not up towards my eyes.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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| Subject: | Re: Wires in wing |
--> RV-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
If it is not too late, buy some PVC piping from the local home repair store
and use it for conduit. It is much smoother and you can literally push the
wires through. The stuff from Van's is flexible and corrugated, therefore
very hard to fish wires through. You can also buy it in various sizes and
just pro-seal the ends in place. Just my $0.02 worth.
-Mike Kraus
N223RV
RV-4 63+ hours
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Kenneth Beene" <kbeene@citilink.com>
>
> Any of you Minnesota RVers ever fly into the Belle Plaine
> airport (7Y7).
> Alan Kritzman
> RV-8 N8EM
>
>
Alan,
I have not flown into Belle Plaine, but I did make a low pass about 2
weeks ago. The field looked very good. I don't think it will be a
problem. Le Seur (12Y) would also be a good option. I stop there quite
often. The fuel price has been $2.10 for three years now.
Ken
N94KB based at LVN
http://www.mninter.net/~kbeene/
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Textor" <jack@personnelincorporated.com>
Good thought Francis. I can tell you a bag of chips will explode "up
there".
Jack Textor
RV8, wings
--> RV-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
Francis Malczynski wrote:
>Our questions concern the carrying of propane
>bottles or Coleman fuel (2 quarts or less) in the baggage compartment. Is
>there any risk (other then what would normally be assumed if doing the
>same
>thing by auto) in doing this? This also assumes the containers are
>adequately sealed and secured. Any input would be appreciated.
---
There may be other concerns I haven't thought of but the first I would
be concerned about is carrying liquid fuel in a container anywhere in
the cockpit, including the baggage area. Changing 10-12 thousand feet
or more in altitude on a typical container is probably not a good idea
unless the container has the sealing capacity to be certain it won't
suddenly start spewing some fuel around.
And even then, assuming a sudden unexpected forced landing it could be
an additional fire hazard if the landing is rather abrupt. Propane,
properly stored, would be better IMHO. If just interested in camp
lights, buy a good fluorescent camping light. And eat sandwiches that
night. :-)
Steve
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--> RV-List message posted by: Gary & Carolyn Zilik <zilik@direcpc.com>
I have carried the little propane bottles for my PEAK stove and lantern
to altitudes of 13000' with no problems. Camping has been a lot of fun
out of the RV. Our camping gear weighs in at 49 lb., including the air
mattress that my wife requires.
Gary
Francis Malczynski wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Francis Malczynski" <ebbfmm@yahoo.com>
>
>Now that my plane is finished, my wife and I plan to travel around the US
>and see the places and people that we up until now had only dreamed about.
>In order to control expenses somewhat, camping is one of the options well
>use for overnight stays. Our questions concern the carrying of propane
>bottles or Coleman fuel (2 quarts or less) in the baggage compartment. Is
>there any risk (other then what would normally be assumed if doing the same
>thing by auto) in doing this? This also assumes the containers are
>adequately sealed and secured. Any input would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>
>Fran Malczynski
>RV-6 N594EF
>Olcott, NY
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Was Flying to MN now fuel price's |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Are you telling me that the fuel at Le Seur (12Y) has been 2.10 for the
last 3 years???? Even with the recent global events?? Out here in
California fuel prices in San Diego were averaging about 2.75 +- 10 cents
due to global events. I tell ya we get so screwed out here, makes me want
to move. Anyone know of a place where the weather averages 75 +- 20 and the
pay is good?
DO NOT ARCHIVE
At 05:28 PM 5/20/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Kenneth Beene" <kbeene@citilink.com>
>
>>
>> Any of you Minnesota RVers ever fly into the Belle Plaine
>> airport (7Y7).
>> Alan Kritzman
>> RV-8 N8EM
>>
>>
>Alan,
>
>I have not flown into Belle Plaine, but I did make a low pass about 2
>weeks ago. The field looked very good. I don't think it will be a
>problem. Le Seur (12Y) would also be a good option. I stop there quite
>often. The fuel price has been $2.10 for three years now.
>
>Ken
>N94KB based at LVN
>http://www.mninter.net/~kbeene/
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
I have the 295 and really like the color moving map, but I can tell you that
visibility in sunlight is an issue. My RV isn't flying yet, but have taken
the 295 on flights in other aircraft. It's a little on the bulky side and
can be a challenge to mount. Mine is sunk in the center of panel angled to
the pilot, but is removable. If the 196 would have been available, I would
have seriously considered it.
Jerry Calvert
Edmond Ok
RV N296JC...close
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
<vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: 295 vs 196
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Ok... I have searched the archives to no avail...
>
> What kind of advice can I get regarding the Garmin 295 vs the 196? The
196 is supposed to be faster, but is the 295 fast enough? Can you see the
295 clearly in any light condition? Anyone out there flow both of them that
can give us a real world comparison?
>
> -Bill VonDane
> RV-8A
> www.vondane.com
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
Jack Textor wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Textor" <jack@personnelincorporated.com>
>
> Good thought Francis. I can tell you a bag of chips will explode "up
> there".
A bag of chips may explode at altitude, but a bag of chips is mostly a
bag of air, whereas a container of fuel is mostly (liquid) fuel. Gases
expand a *lot* more than liquids do when taken to altitude, which is why
it's quite safe to take a bottle of gatorade with you on a long flight
(and why you can hope to drink it without soaking yourself).
Propane bottles and other properly designed fuel containers (like the
aluminum fuel bottles you can buy for white gas) are designed to contain
pressure as altitudes change. Use them, and you should be perfectly
safe carrying them in your airplane in the cabin. Barring a collision
with terrain, of course.
But bags of chips, helium balloons*, etc. can and do explode in flight.
-RB4
rv7 "at" b4.ca
* - I think I nearly gave my parents a heart attack once, when flying
back from an airshow in our Cessna 190... Me in the back seat, with a
helium baloon that they may not have seen me bring onboard. I thought
it was cool that it was getting bigger as we climbed. Then it burst.
Hey, I was only 10 at the time, what did I know about physics? 8-)
(do not archive)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Keith Vasey" <keith@galvinflying.com>
I have a bunch of this tubing, but after eyballing it relative to the
lightening holes, etc. I need some advice.
What do you do with it? I mean, you don't just lay this conduit in the wing
and let it flop around, do you? Maybe I'm thick, but I don't get it.
Keith Vasey
Seattle.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Schrimmer
Subject: RV-List: Wires in wing
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Schrimmer <mschrimmer@pacbell.net>
In the left wing, I need to run wires for the nav light, strobe, landing
light, heated pitot tube and a VOR antenna. Does anybody know if all this
stuff will fit through the corrugated tubing from Van's?
Thanks,
Mark Schrimmer
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| Subject: | Re: LED MAP Lights |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Bill VonDane wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
> I was looking around on the net today and found these... What do you all think
of using these as MAP lights?
>
> http://www.chill-tek.com/products/led_beamers.html
>
> -Bill VonDane
> RV-8A
> www.vondane.com
>
> Date: May 08, 2003
> From: P M Condon <pcondon@mitre.org>
> Subject: re: LED swivel map/night lights ( Help )
>
> Vans and ACS sold a small LED swivel map light in the past( cost about
> 46$ ). Its the one about the size of a AAA battery and pivots and
> swivels and has four LEDs(not the round eyeball, three hole, quarter
> sized one) Neither Vans or ACS has these now. I need two of these map
> lights...anyone have these in there parts bin or know where I can get
> them??? Or, any leads on a LED map light that looks like it belongs in
> a airplane ???
>
A couple of years ago there was a nice article in the RV-ator about building your
own.
I think the guy with the Red and White RV6 with Checkerboard tail (on one of Van's
calendars) is who wrote the
article.
He used Radio Shack LED's. His circuit is what I used. I installed them in the
roll bar like he did. They pretty
well illuminate the panel for a little over a dollar each and the current draw
is well under an amp for the five
that I used.
These are not "beamers" like this website but they do shine out in a pattern.
I use mine with a dimmer.
Phil
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--> RV-List message posted by: Laird Owens <owens@aerovironment.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Gary & Carolyn Zilik <zilik@direcpc.com>
>
>I have carried the little propane bottles for my PEAK stove and lantern
>to altitudes of 13000' with no problems. Camping has been a lot of fun
>out of the RV. Our camping gear weighs in at 49 lb., including the air
>mattress that my wife requires.
But does that weight include the beer that YOU require ;-)
Laird (a past drinking partner of Garys, so I can kid him...)
SoCal
Do Not Archive ... Please!
>
>Gary
>
>Francis Malczynski wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Francis Malczynski" <ebbfmm@yahoo.com>
>>
>>Now that my plane is finished, my wife and I plan to travel around the US
>>and see the places and people that we up until now had only dreamed about.
>>In order to control expenses somewhat, camping is one of the options well
>>use for overnight stays. Our questions concern the carrying of propane
>>bottles or Coleman fuel (2 quarts or less) in the baggage compartment. Is
>>there any risk (other then what would normally be assumed if doing the same
>>thing by auto) in doing this? This also assumes the containers are
>>adequately sealed and secured. Any input would be appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Fran Malczynski
>>RV-6 N594EF
>>Olcott, NY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Madness |
--> RV-List message posted by: "William Davis" <rvpilot@695online.com>
Larry,
I fill the holes with a "dowel" of urethane foam to close to the surface.
Then finish it off with an epoxy filler.
Bill N48WD Tiger-Kat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Elevator Madness
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
>
> Gert & Bill -
>
> Thanks for the input. I've done as you suggest and things have improved
> a great deal. Thanks.
>
> Now...to balance the elevators. I've already drilled eight 1/2" holes
> in the right elevator counterwieght, as deep as I dare. It's becoming
> more balanced, but sooo slowly. At this rate I fear there will be
> nothing left of the wieght by the time I'm done. Is this typical? Do
> you normally fill the holes made in the lead with micro ballons or
> something when done?
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
> 2003 - The year of flight!
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
> >
> > Hi Larry
> >
> > I've noticed the same on my elevators. I ffund that I had to
> > turn one of
> > the bearings in 1/2 a turn to line up the elevators just a
> > tad better. Bolts would go in okay but noticed a slight
> > tugging on the elevator spar.
> >
> > I also decided NOT to use any washers around the center bearing as it
> > would really force the elevators apart. used the same rational, the
> > elevator horns will perform the same function.
> >
> > Larry Bowen wrote:
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
> > >
> > > My RV-8 elevators swing in the breeze with all bolts in place .....
> > > Until I torque them down. Then there is considerable less 'free
> > > travel'. I can see the rod end bearing are content to
> > rotate on the
> > > bolt, but tightened down, the rod end is forced to rotate on the
> > > bearing, and doesn't like to do so. Everything is lubed
> > nicely. Any
> > > other ideas?
> > >
> > > Also, the inboard ends of the elevator control horns fit snug up
> > > against the middle bearing. Forcing the 5702-95-30 washers
> > in there
> > > makes the whole assembly stiffer. So, I'm not going to use the
> > > washers. My logic is that the control horns themselves
> > will perform
> > > the function of containing the bearing should it fail, since it is
> > > right up against it. And that is the only purpose of the washer.
> > > Sound thinking?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > -
> > > Larry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying to MN |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
I have been there although it was several years ago in an Aeronca Chief. I
believe it is fine. I'd give them a call just to be sure.
Doug Weiler
MN Wing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth Beene" <kbeene@citilink.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Flying to MN
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kenneth Beene" <kbeene@citilink.com>
>
> >
> > Any of you Minnesota RVers ever fly into the Belle Plaine
> > airport (7Y7).
> > Alan Kritzman
> > RV-8 N8EM
> >
> >
> Alan,
>
> I have not flown into Belle Plaine, but I did make a low pass about 2
> weeks ago. The field looked very good. I don't think it will be a
> problem. Le Seur (12Y) would also be a good option. I stop there quite
> often. The fuel price has been $2.10 for three years now.
>
> Ken
> N94KB based at LVN
> http://www.mninter.net/~kbeene/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: LED MAP Lights |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@extremezone.com>
Wasn't that Randy Lervold's plane that had the LED's?
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10)
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Kitlog Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: LED MAP Lights
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club"
<sisson@consolidated.net>
>
> Bill VonDane wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
> >
> > I was looking around on the net today and found these... What do you
all think of using these as MAP lights?
> >
> > http://www.chill-tek.com/products/led_beamers.html
> >
> > -Bill VonDane
> > RV-8A
> > www.vondane.com
> >
> > Date: May 08, 2003
> > From: P M Condon <pcondon@mitre.org>
> > Subject: re: LED swivel map/night lights ( Help )
> >
> > Vans and ACS sold a small LED swivel map light in the past( cost about
> > 46$ ). Its the one about the size of a AAA battery and pivots and
> > swivels and has four LEDs(not the round eyeball, three hole, quarter
> > sized one) Neither Vans or ACS has these now. I need two of these map
> > lights...anyone have these in there parts bin or know where I can get
> > them??? Or, any leads on a LED map light that looks like it belongs
in
> > a airplane ???
> >
>
> A couple of years ago there was a nice article in the RV-ator about
building your own.
> I think the guy with the Red and White RV6 with Checkerboard tail (on one
of Van's calendars) is who wrote the
> article.
> He used Radio Shack LED's. His circuit is what I used. I installed them in
the roll bar like he did. They pretty
> well illuminate the panel for a little over a dollar each and the current
draw is well under an amp for the five
> that I used.
>
> These are not "beamers" like this website but they do shine out in a
pattern.
>
> I use mine with a dimmer.
>
> Phil
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
I've had the little green Coleman propane cannisters up to about 8500' MSL a
zillion times with no problems. I'm either very lucky or it's really no
problem. I figure leaving 'em out in the summer sun has to be worse than
lowering ambient pressure.
The first time a bag of chips exploded in the back seat of the Mooney I
almost leaked propane myself...really gets you by surprise! 8-)
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Camping
> --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
>
> Jack Textor wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Textor"
<jack@personnelincorporated.com>
> >
> > Good thought Francis. I can tell you a bag of chips will explode "up
> > there".
>
> A bag of chips may explode at altitude, but a bag of chips is mostly a
> bag of air, whereas a container of fuel is mostly (liquid) fuel. Gases
> expand a *lot* more than liquids do when taken to altitude, which is why
> it's quite safe to take a bottle of gatorade with you on a long flight
> (and why you can hope to drink it without soaking yourself).
>
> Propane bottles and other properly designed fuel containers (like the
> aluminum fuel bottles you can buy for white gas) are designed to contain
> pressure as altitudes change. Use them, and you should be perfectly
> safe carrying them in your airplane in the cabin. Barring a collision
> with terrain, of course.
>
> But bags of chips, helium balloons*, etc. can and do explode in flight.
>
> -RB4
> rv7 "at" b4.ca
>
> * - I think I nearly gave my parents a heart attack once, when flying
> back from an airshow in our Cessna 190... Me in the back seat, with a
> helium baloon that they may not have seen me bring onboard. I thought
> it was cool that it was getting bigger as we climbed. Then it burst.
> Hey, I was only 10 at the time, what did I know about physics? 8-)
>
> (do not archive)
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
I used Poly tubing in My RV-4. Mine was 1/2" with 5/8" OD and I used a
carpenters Spade bit to make the holes in the main ribs, about 1" above the
bottom skin between the centermost lightening holes. You might have to put in
a larger size to take all the wires. Ace Hardware Poly Tubing.
Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
Charleston, Arkansas
"Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
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| Subject: | Removing N-number? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve J Hurlbut" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
Anybody know the best way to remove a vinyl N-number?
Its not clear coated or sealed in any way.
Steve
RV7A
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 first flight yet? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "WALTER KERR" <kerrjb@msn.com>
I was speaking to one of the guys pretty high on the totem pole yesterday
and he said it would be next week, but he has known to be conservative
before :>)
Bernie Kerr, 6A flying , 9A rotary getting close
>
> I heard from one of the Van's guys (nameless here to protect the
> innocent) that yesterday (the 19th) was their target date for the RV-10
> first flight. Can anyone in the Aurora area confirm or deny that it
> happened on schedule yesterday?
>
> Regards,
> Ken Balch
> RV-8 N118KB (in the paint shop)
> RV-10 wannabe
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: RV-10 Autopilot |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Wessel" <Robin.Wessel@verizon.net>
I have a picture of the RV-10 panel in it's early stages at:
http://robin.getbiz.net/IMG_0758.JPG
robin wessel
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--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
Francis Malczynski wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Francis Malczynski" <ebbfmm@yahoo.com>
>
>Now that my plane is finished, my wife and I plan to travel around the US
>and see the places and people that we up until now had only dreamed about.
>In order to control expenses somewhat, camping is one of the options well
>use for overnight stays. Our questions concern the carrying of propane
>bottles or Coleman fuel (2 quarts or less) in the baggage compartment. Is
>there any risk (other then what would normally be assumed if doing the same
>thing by auto) in doing this? This also assumes the containers are
>adequately sealed and secured. Any input would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>
>Fran Malczynski
>RV-6 N594EF
>Olcott, NY
>
Others have given what seems sensible advice on the fuel; I'd like to
mention an alternative way to control expenses. Go to the VAF site,
http://www.metronet.com/~dreeves/vaf.htm
<http://www.metronet.com/%7Edreeves/vaf.htm>
& peruse the 'Hospitality Ovrnts' link. Lots of possibilities for free
bed & breakfast, often including hangar space for the plane. If you
make it to the Deep South, look us up.
Charlie England
RV-7 tail
Slobovia Outernational Airport, Jackson MS
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--> RV-List message posted by: Dan DeNeal <rv6apilot@yahoo.com>
I have a 295 mounted in the panel just below the dash
(the part that overhangs the panel and gives it
shade.) I now have 20 hours on my plane and love my
295. The color display works very well in the shade on
a bright sunny day, with using aircraft battery power.
I think Jerry's thought about the 195 is good. I think
if the 195 was available when I purchased the 295, I
would have saved my money and bought the 195.
Dan DeNeal
RV6A N256GD
--- Jerry Calvert <rv6@cox.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert"
> <rv6@cox.net>
>
> I have the 295 and really like the color moving map,
> but I can tell you that
> visibility in sunlight is an issue. My RV isn't
> flying yet, but have taken
> the 295 on flights in other aircraft. It's a little
> on the bulky side and
> can be a challenge to mount. Mine is sunk in the
> center of panel angled to
> the pilot, but is removable. If the 196 would have
> been available, I would
> have seriously considered it.
>
> Jerry Calvert
> Edmond Ok
> RV N296JC...close
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>;
> <rv8list@yahoogroups.com>; "vansairforce"
> <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RV-List: 295 vs 196
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane"
> <bill@vondane.com>
> >
> > Ok... I have searched the archives to no avail...
> >
> > What kind of advice can I get regarding the Garmin
> 295 vs the 196? The
> 196 is supposed to be faster, but is the 295 fast
> enough? Can you see the
> 295 clearly in any light condition? Anyone out
> there flow both of them that
> can give us a real world comparison?
> >
> > -Bill VonDane
> > RV-8A
> > www.vondane.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> latest messages.
> List members.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm
> Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list
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> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
As noted below, liquids should generally be no problem when carried in an
airplane. However the contained must be secured in a vertical position so
the cap is uppermost. If placed on their side with the liquid against the
cap, any air left above the liquid will caused a pressure differntial at
altitude and possibly force liquid out the cap. Flammable liquid = fire
hazard (obviously).
People who carry vehicles in C-130s and other large transport airplanes are
quite careful about how the gas tanks are filled and capped for this reason.
Lots of stories in the military about trucks and jeeps leaking gasoline in
mid-Atlantic. Makes the crews nervous.
Jim Oke
Winnipeg, MB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Camping
> --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
>
> Jack Textor wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Textor"
<jack@personnelincorporated.com>
> >
> > Good thought Francis. I can tell you a bag of chips will explode "up
> > there".
>
> A bag of chips may explode at altitude, but a bag of chips is mostly a
> bag of air, whereas a container of fuel is mostly (liquid) fuel. Gases
> expand a *lot* more than liquids do when taken to altitude, which is why
> it's quite safe to take a bottle of gatorade with you on a long flight
> (and why you can hope to drink it without soaking yourself).
>
> Propane bottles and other properly designed fuel containers (like the
> aluminum fuel bottles you can buy for white gas) are designed to contain
> pressure as altitudes change. Use them, and you should be perfectly
> safe carrying them in your airplane in the cabin. Barring a collision
> with terrain, of course.
>
> But bags of chips, helium balloons*, etc. can and do explode in flight.
>
> -RB4
> rv7 "at" b4.ca
>
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| Subject: | Re: Removing N-number? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner@wans.net>
Dear Steve,
A heat gun and a soft plastic scraper will do the job. Be VERY careful with the
hot air! Use as little heat as possible to get the job done.
Good Luck.
Konrad
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve J Hurlbut
To: RV-7 YAHOO ; rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:54 PM
Subject: RV-List: Removing N-number?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve J Hurlbut" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
Anybody know the best way to remove a vinyl N-number?
Its not clear coated or sealed in any way.
Steve
RV7A
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| Subject: | Re: Wires in Wing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
I would just add that builders should plan ahead and think about how they
are going to run wires from the panel (or wherever) through the fuselage and
then out into the wing (normally from somewhere under the seat). The idea
here is to line up the poly tubing in the wing with the exit point in the
fuselage side. This will avoid unneccessary S-bends in the wiring and make
feeding the wires a lot simpler. There is not a lot of room between the root
rib and the fuse side skin on a -6 for the average size finger. (Guess how I
know, and -6A builders don't take wings off for fun or to feed wiring once
they are on).
In other words, don't just chose a location that looks OK for the wings,
plan the fuselage wiring runs too and match the wiring provisions in the
wing to the fuselage.
Jim Oke
Winnipeg, MB
RV-6A
----- Original Message -----
From: <Oldsfolks@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Wires in Wing
> --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
>
> I used Poly tubing in My RV-4. Mine was 1/2" with 5/8" OD and I used a
> carpenters Spade bit to make the holes in the main ribs, about 1" above
the
> bottom skin between the centermost lightening holes. You might have to put
in
> a larger size to take all the wires. Ace Hardware Poly Tubing.
>
> Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
> RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now
> Charleston, Arkansas
> "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers"
>
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| Subject: | Re: Removing N-number? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dougweil@pressenter.com>
Try gentle heating with a heat gun.
Doug Weiler
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve J Hurlbut" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
Subject: RV-List: Removing N-number?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve J Hurlbut" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
>
> Anybody know the best way to remove a vinyl N-number?
>
> Its not clear coated or sealed in any way.
>
> Steve
> RV7A
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "KIM R JOHNSON" <krjloco@msn.com>
Dear Sirs,
I have not received any e-mail as of yet. I did receive mail that you had processed
my three areas of interest.
Kim R Johnson
krjloco@msn.com
Thank You
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| Subject: | Re: Removing N-number? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Steven Eberhart <newtech@newtech.com>
Take your hair dryer to it. They will come right off. Also works on
the unpaid for advertising labels and stickers auto dealers put on the
trunks of cars.
Steve Eberhart
RV-7A
Steve J Hurlbut wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve J Hurlbut" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
>
> Anybody know the best way to remove a vinyl N-number?
>
> Its not clear coated or sealed in any way.
>
> Steve
> RV7A
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Airplane camping is great fun, if you are young and tough. Any fuel is
more dangerous than say, some charcoal briquets. However, people do carry
many gallons of gasoline in fuselages in non-RVs. People also routinely
lug propane bottles up to campsites in the high Sierras above 8000
feet. There is one pass at about 9900 feet, name escapes me, I have
crossed with travel trailer with two 8 gallon propane bottles. Personally,
I'd prefer a Coleman gas stove. Get sturdier cans so you don't carry the
tin ones. Good job for a wing locker, huh? Maybe a double can.
A lot of airports have camping and a restaurant.
Somebody please calculate the pressure change in percent inside a propane
bottle at sea level and say, 12,000 feet.
you wrote:
>Now that my plane is finished, my wife and I plan to travel around the US
>and see the places and people that we up until now had only dreamed about.
>In order to control expenses somewhat, camping is one of the options well
>use for overnight stays. Our questions concern the carrying of propane
>bottles or Coleman fuel (2 quarts or less) in the baggage compartment. Is
>there any risk (other then what would normally be assumed if doing the same
>thing by auto) in doing this?
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Removing N-number? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Steve:
I would suggest heat from a hair dryer. Keep the tip of it moving over the
area you are removing so you reduce the chance of blistering paint. Tease a
corner of the vinyl up with a razor blade or exacto knife until you can get
ahold of it, then and gently peel it off. Keep heating the area just
forward of where you have the material lifted off.
Hope this helps. Your Mileage May Vary
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A
fuselage (waiting on finish kit)
Peshtigo, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve J Hurlbut" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
Subject: RV-List: Removing N-number?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve J Hurlbut" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
>
> Anybody know the best way to remove a vinyl N-number?
>
> Its not clear coated or sealed in any way.
>
> Steve
> RV7A
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Camping and fire risk |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
So far as I know mountain climbers get the pressurized camp stove canisters
to some interesting altitudes (higher than most RVers will go) without
difficulties.
In the case of an uncontrolled landing, the fuel on board to fear the most
is in the wings!
Jim in Kelowna
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
You can EASILY spend twice that much!! If you try to skimp by you'll have
to be willing to spend much more time building and searching for discounted
parts. There's also a safety factor involved in cutting corners. Then
there's the question of rebuilding the parts you saved on i.e. old style
radios, cdi's...
If you're committed to building an airplane and want to keep the cost down,
you'll find a way to make ends meet. Just be careful not to be too
conservative. It can turn into a looooonnnnngggg project.
Shemp
RV-6a somewhere between starting and finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Removing N-number? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Steve,
Go to an auto body and paint supplier and tell them your needs they have a
product designed for removing vinyl signs etc.
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve J Hurlbut" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
Subject: RV-List: Removing N-number?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve J Hurlbut" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
>
> Anybody know the best way to remove a vinyl N-number?
>
> Its not clear coated or sealed in any way.
>
> Steve
> RV7A
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 7 to 6 fin and rudder |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
I have a 6 empenage and am trying to sell it. Ive had a lot of questions
regarding the compatability of my 6 tail on a 7. Ive found that Vans made 2
tails for the 6. As the 7 project was nearing production, Vans figured
builders would start on the 6 tail and then want to switch to the 7 once it
was available. So, for a while, he made the 6 tail fit the 7(or 8), I
think. Most of these can easily be interchanged. The only problem I know
of it putting too small of a vs/rudder on a 7. A buddy of mine has put an 8
tail on a 6 and a 7.
I guess the best thing to do is to call Vans. However, keep in mind you can
always modify later.
Good luck
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: David.vonLinsowe <David.vonLinsowe@delphi.com>
Subject: RV-List: 7 to 6 fin and rudder
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David.vonLinsowe"
<David.vonLinsowe@delphi.com>
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> --> RV-List message posted by: "David.vonLinsowe"
<David.vonLinsowe@delphi.com>
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> ZQ0KUlYtNiAxODAgQy9TDQo
>
> Hi guys,
>
> With a message like that I can see why I didn't get any response!
>
> What it was suppose to say is: Can the old style RV-7 fin and rudder be
installed on a RV-6? And how much modification does it take?
>
> I have a built 7 rudder and will be building the fin.
>
> Sorry about the gibberish.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
> RV-6
> 180hp C/S
>
>
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| Subject: | Dimple HS skin on forward 707 rivet line? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
All,
Another search through the archives did not produce an answer. How has everyone
dimpled the forward-most two rivet holes on the HS main skin near the 707 spar?
I could just barely get to the 3rd one back with the c-frame, and it looks
like it put the dimple slightly at an angle. I don't think I can make the 1st
or 2nd hole without further mangling the skin. How has everyone done these?
Thanks,
Scott
7A
Trying to finish tail before wings get here
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--> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
Hi:
I understand that there is now a tow bar, for rv's.
I looked on A.Spruce and wicks, catalogs, but did not
see it..
Any one knows the best to buy from, and best price?
thanks,,
Bert
rv6a
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| Subject: | Re: Dimple HS skin on forward 707 rivet line? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
I can't picture the exact holes you're refering to, but pop rivet dimple
dies are great for hard-to-reach places where the C-frame or squeezer
cannot reach. Available from Avery, Cleveland, etc. Buy 'em now,
you'll use them often.
Jeff Point
RV-6 FWF
Milwaukee WI
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| Subject: | Re: LED MAP Lights |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randall Henderson" <randallh@attbi.com>
> Wasn't that Randy Lervold's plane that had the LED's?
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A Sold (Waiting on RV-10)
No that was my RV-6 (Randy has an -8). My LED instrument lighting set-up is
documented at http://www.edt.com/homewing/rhproject/cabinlts.html
Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~450 hrs)
Portland, OR
www.vanshomewing.org
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| Subject: | Re: Dimple HS skin on forward 707 rivet line? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Pop rivet dimple dies. Aircraft Tool Supply has 'em cheapest (I believe).
http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=5102D%2D3%2F32
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
Subject: RV-List: Dimple HS skin on forward 707 rivet line?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
>
>
> All,
>
> Another search through the archives did not produce an answer. How has
everyone dimpled the forward-most two rivet holes on the HS main skin near
the 707 spar? I could just barely get to the 3rd one back with the c-frame,
and it looks like it put the dimple slightly at an angle. I don't think I
can make the 1st or 2nd hole without further mangling the skin. How has
everyone done these?
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
> 7A
> Trying to finish tail before wings get here
>
>
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