Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:45 AM - Re: Dimple HS skin on forward 707 rivet line? (Dana Overall)
2. 06:03 AM - Re: Dimple HS skin on forward 707 rivet line? (Patrick Kelley)
3. 06:12 AM - Re: Camping (Wayne Reese)
4. 06:27 AM - engine timing (HillStw@aol.com)
5. 07:25 AM - Re: tow bar rv6 (Elsa & Henry)
6. 07:29 AM - Re: 295 vs 196 (Bill VonDane)
7. 07:37 AM - Evercoat Filler Problem - help! (Michael Sices)
8. 07:42 AM - Re: Evercoat Filler Problem - help! (MeangreenRV4@aol.com)
9. 07:52 AM - Re: Evercoat Filler Problem - help! (Brian Denk)
10. 08:18 AM - Re: Camping (Jim Oke)
11. 08:18 AM - VS to HS attachment plate (Scott Vanartsdalen)
12. 09:03 AM - Re: Dimple HS skin on forward 707 rivet line? (Bill Dube)
13. 09:48 AM - Re: Evercoat Filler Problem - help! (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
14. 10:28 AM - Re: VS to HS attachment plate (Dan Checkoway)
15. 10:37 AM - Re: Flying to MN (N13eer@aol.com)
16. 10:45 AM - RV-6 For Sale (dirtyrottenscoundrels@attbi.com)
17. 11:18 AM - Not RV related - For Sale, J-3 with C-90 (RV_8 Pilot)
18. 11:35 AM - Garman 196 (Bell, Bruce B.)
19. 12:19 PM - Garman 196 (Bell, Bruce B.)
20. 12:29 PM - KELLY AIR PARK FLY-IN BREAKFAST (Bill VonDane)
21. 12:31 PM - EAA Ch 72 hosts the EAA B-17 "ALUMINUM OVERCAST"! (Bill VonDane)
22. 12:56 PM - Re: RV-10/RV-3 Rocket/Yak (Boyd C. Braem)
23. 01:03 PM - Re: Garman 196 (Bill VonDane)
24. 01:16 PM - Looking for Willis (Pat) Kirkpatrick (Larry Hawkins)
25. 02:07 PM - Re: Looking for Willis (Pat) Kirkpatrick (Brian Denk)
26. 02:22 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 (R. Craig Chipley)
27. 02:30 PM - Re: Garman 196 (Terry Watson)
28. 02:46 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 (Chris W)
29. 03:15 PM - Re: RV-10/RV-3 Rocket/Yak (John Starn)
30. 03:15 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 (Vanremog@aol.com)
31. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 (John Starn)
32. 03:31 PM - 7 to 6 fin and rudder (David.vonLinsowe)
33. 04:15 PM - Re: EAA Ch 72 hosts the EAA B-17 "ALUMINUM OVERCAST"! (Cy Galley)
34. 04:17 PM - Re: Evercoat Filler Problem - help! (JDaniel343@aol.com)
35. 04:35 PM - Re: Garman 196 (Dougpsr@aol.com)
36. 04:37 PM - Navaid Coupled to Garmin 430/530 (Ronnie Brown)
37. 04:58 PM - Re: Renters insurance (Gert)
38. 05:14 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 (UFOBUCK@aol.com)
39. 05:53 PM - Re: RV-10/RV-3 Rocket/Yak (Doug Rozendaal)
40. 06:54 PM - Re: tow bar rv6 (Curt Reimer)
41. 06:54 PM - Pneumatic Squeezer on EBAY (Glenn Brasch)
42. 07:49 PM - 9th Annual Twin Cities RV Forum (Alex Peterson)
43. 08:04 PM - Re: RV-10/RV-3 Rocket/Yak (John Starn)
44. 08:50 PM - How Much Room Do I Need to Build an RV 7? (Tim Brooks)
45. 09:31 PM - Re: How Much Room Do I Need to Build an RV 7? (kempthornes)
46. 09:33 PM - Re: Dimple HS skin on forward 707 rivet line? ()
47. 09:38 PM - Re: Buffing out polyurethane (Dave Bristol)
48. 09:52 PM - Re: How Much Room Do I Need to Build an RV 7? (WPAerial@aol.com)
49. 10:01 PM - Re: Re HVLP guns with a compressor? (Dave Bristol)
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| Subject: | Re: Dimple HS skin on forward 707 rivet line? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Scott, althought pop rivet style dimples dies are the preferred method you
can use your C-frame. Put your male dimple die on the top so that skin not
being dimpled hangs over the edge of your bench pointing towards the floor.
Have someone hold the C-frame and use your hips on the brake line of the
skin to assist in pushing the skin if furthur. It will work.
BTW.........buy you some pop rivet dimples dies.........course others have
already chimed in on that issue.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
>From: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Dimple HS skin on forward 707 rivet line?
>Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 00:35:56 -0400 (EDT)
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
>
>
>All,
>
>Another search through the archives did not produce an answer. How has
>everyone dimpled the forward-most two rivet holes on the HS main skin near
>the 707 spar? I could just barely get to the 3rd one back with the
>c-frame, and it looks like it put the dimple slightly at an angle. I don't
>think I can make the 1st or 2nd hole without further mangling the skin.
>How has everyone done these?
>
>Thanks,
>Scott
>7A
>Trying to finish tail before wings get here
>
>
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| Subject: | Dimple HS skin on forward 707 rivet line? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
I'd agree with Dana, except that I did my dimpling with the c-frane on
the floor. However, the key here is that it takes a second person -
someone to hold the skin open to about 90 degrees. Once the dimples are
done, the skin will spring back. This is true of all the pre-bent
skins; even the elevator, rudder, and aileron can be spread enough to
dimple the stiffener holes. However, the last couple of rivets on the
end ribs for those surfaces (and the flaps) are best done with a
pop-rivet dimpler, vice-grip dimpler (both p. 11 of the Avery 2003
catalog), or a wedge of hardwood shaped to fit in the rib and drilled at
the same time. The holes in the wedge are countersunk and then used as
the female form to dimple the rib and skin using a male die and a couple
light whacks with a mallet. Actually, even hardwood is overkill; I used
the scrap particle board that came with my elevator and rudder jigs,
since they matched the angle of the ribs. They stood up just fine to
the light hammering necessary to dimple thin aluminum. Hope this helps.
Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - Fuselage structure being prepped for riveting
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
tx_jayhawk@excite.com
Subject: RV-List: Dimple HS skin on forward 707 rivet line?
--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
All,
Another search through the archives did not produce an answer. How has
everyone dimpled the forward-most two rivet holes on the HS main skin
near the 707 spar? I could just barely get to the 3rd one back with the
c-frame, and it looks like it put the dimple slightly at an angle. I
don't think I can make the 1st or 2nd hole without further mangling the
skin. How has everyone done these?
Thanks,
Scott
7A
Trying to finish tail before wings get here
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Reese" <waynereese@qwest.net>
It is important to be careful with such things but a C-130 is
pressurized and maybe not the best example.
WR
DNA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Oke
Subject: Re: RV-List: Camping
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
As noted below, liquids should generally be no problem when carried in
an
airplane. However the contained must be secured in a vertical position
so
the cap is uppermost. If placed on their side with the liquid against
the
cap, any air left above the liquid will caused a pressure differntial at
altitude and possibly force liquid out the cap. Flammable liquid = fire
hazard (obviously).
People who carry vehicles in C-130s and other large transport airplanes
are
quite careful about how the gas tanks are filled and capped for this
reason.
Lots of stories in the military about trucks and jeeps leaking gasoline
in
mid-Atlantic. Makes the crews nervous.
Jim Oke
Winnipeg, MB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Camping
> --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
>
> Jack Textor wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Textor"
<jack@personnelincorporated.com>
> >
> > Good thought Francis. I can tell you a bag of chips will explode
"up
> > there".
>
> A bag of chips may explode at altitude, but a bag of chips is mostly a
> bag of air, whereas a container of fuel is mostly (liquid) fuel.
Gases
> expand a *lot* more than liquids do when taken to altitude, which is
why
> it's quite safe to take a bottle of gatorade with you on a long flight
> (and why you can hope to drink it without soaking yourself).
>
> Propane bottles and other properly designed fuel containers (like the
> aluminum fuel bottles you can buy for white gas) are designed to
contain
> pressure as altitudes change. Use them, and you should be perfectly
> safe carrying them in your airplane in the cabin. Barring a collision
> with terrain, of course.
>
> But bags of chips, helium balloons*, etc. can and do explode in
flight.
>
> -RB4
> rv7 "at" b4.ca
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: HillStw@aol.com
After overhaul, my mags were set at 20 degrees advance. Checking them now,
after several hours run in, they fire at 18 degrees advance.
You engine gurus, tell me how much that affects power, and how much advance
is safe for the IO-360, without risking detonation? I believe Lycoming
recommends 18-21 degrees. How critical is that?
do not archive
Jimmy
RV8A
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Bought mine from Ken Barto several years ago, made of chrome-molly tubing
and fits across the baggage compartment. I presume he still makes them and
was (is?) listed in Van's accessories catalog. Try # 315-622-2072.
Cheers!!--Henry Hore
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vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Thanks to all that responded regarding their experiences with the Garmin 196 and
295!
Here is a note I got from Garmin regarding the performance of the units:
"Yes sir the performance of the 196 is 4 times faster than the 295 simply due
to the faster processor. If I were making this choice I would choose the 196
based on functionality. You will get more functions for less money with the
196, but the 295 gives also great functionality, and does it with color. I
have both units and I use the 196."
I have decided to get the 196, and maybe when the 196C (color) comes out, I will
upgrade to it and then put the 196 in the back...
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A
www.vondane.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill VonDane
Subject: 295 vs 196
Ok... I have searched the archives to no avail...
What kind of advice can I get regarding the Garmin 295 vs the 196? The 196 is
supposed to be faster, but is the 295 fast enough? Can you see the 295 clearly
in any light condition? Anyone out there flow both of them that can give us
a real world comparison?
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A
www.vondane.com
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| Subject: | Evercoat Filler Problem - help! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Michael Sices" <msices@core.com>
I decided to use Evercoat Lightweight filler to fill pinholes in my cowl, so
last week I applied it to the top cowl half (no primer yet). The problem is
that it has been a week now and it is still not hard (the can says it dries
to sandable finish in 20 minutes). Yes, I did use the hardener (red stuff)
in the tube and tried to estimate about 2% by weight as per the directions.
This evercoat may be a couple of years old though (if that could cause this
problem).
Anyway, the filler is sort of dry, but still too putty-like to sand (it
clogs up the sandpaper in about a minute). What should I do to get this
off? The only good news is that I applied this very conservatively so it is
not built up on the surface very much. Any ideas would be appreciated? Any
solvents that won't hurt the fiberglass? Or should I just buy stock in 3M
and just start sanding with lots of paper to get it off. Thanks,
Mike Sices
RV8 - painting
Gurnee, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Evercoat Filler Problem - help! |
--> RV-List message posted by: MeangreenRV4@aol.com
In a message dated 5/21/2003 7:38:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
msices@core.com writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Michael Sices" <msices@core.com>
>
>
> I decided to use Evercoat Lightweight filler to fill pinholes in my cowl,
> so
> last week I applied it to the top cowl half (no primer yet). The problem
> is
> that it has been a week now and it is still not hard (the can says it dries
> to sandable finish in 20 minutes). Yes, I did use the hardener (red stuff)
> in the tube and tried to estimate about 2% by weight as per the directions.
> This evercoat may be a couple of years old though (if that could cause this
> problem).
>
> Anyway, the filler is sort of dry, but still too putty-like to sand (it
> clogs up the sandpaper in about a minute). What should I do to get this
> off? The only good news is that I applied this very conservatively so it
> is
> not built up on the surface very much. Any ideas would be appreciated?
> Any
> solvents that won't hurt the fiberglass? Or should I just buy stock in 3M
> and just start sanding with lots of paper to get it off. Thanks,
>
>
> Mike Sices
> RV8 - painting
> Gurnee, IL
>
>
Two words Mike......."Laquer Thinner"
Good Luck
Tim Barnes
Meangreen RV4
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| Subject: | Re: Evercoat Filler Problem - help! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>I decided to use Evercoat Lightweight filler to fill pinholes in my cowl,
>so
>last week I applied it to the top cowl half (no primer yet). The problem
>is
>that it has been a week now and it is still not hard (the can says it dries
>to sandable finish in 20 minutes). Yes, I did use the hardener (red stuff)
>in the tube and tried to estimate about 2% by weight as per the directions.
>This evercoat may be a couple of years old though (if that could cause this
>problem).
>
>Anyway, the filler is sort of dry, but still too putty-like to sand (it
>clogs up the sandpaper in about a minute). What should I do to get this
>off? The only good news is that I applied this very conservatively so it
>is
>not built up on the surface very much. Any ideas would be appreciated?
>Any
>solvents that won't hurt the fiberglass? Or should I just buy stock in 3M
>and just start sanding with lots of paper to get it off. Thanks,
>
>
>Mike Sices
>RV8 - painting
>Gurnee, IL
Mike,
I tried the same stuff on my cowling with the same results. The stuff is
crapola. Used Superfil and spray high-build primer to get the job done.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
C-130s and similar aircraft are pressurized but hardly to sea level. Typical
cabin pressurization schedules will put the cabin at 8,000' equivilant
altitude when the aircraft is at cruise altitude. The physics of the
atmosphere means that most of the pressure change happens in the lower
levels. Go from SL to 10,000' and ambient pressure goes down by 4 psi - lots
to get a cap leaking. So takeoff from a near sea level location and raising
the cabin to 8,000' can indeed cause fuel venting in a poorly prepared load.
Jim Oke
Winnipeg, MB
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Reese" <waynereese@qwest.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Camping
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Reese" <waynereese@qwest.net>
>
> It is important to be careful with such things but a C-130 is
> pressurized and maybe not the best example.
> WR
> DNA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Oke
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Camping
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
>
> As noted below, liquids should generally be no problem when carried in
> an
> airplane. However the contained must be secured in a vertical position
> so
> the cap is uppermost. If placed on their side with the liquid against
> the
> cap, any air left above the liquid will caused a pressure differntial at
> altitude and possibly force liquid out the cap. Flammable liquid = fire
> hazard (obviously).
>
> People who carry vehicles in C-130s and other large transport airplanes
> are
> quite careful about how the gas tanks are filled and capped for this
> reason.
> Lots of stories in the military about trucks and jeeps leaking gasoline
> in
> mid-Atlantic. Makes the crews nervous.
>
> Jim Oke
> Winnipeg, MB
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Camping
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
> >
> > Jack Textor wrote:
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Textor"
> <jack@personnelincorporated.com>
> > >
> > > Good thought Francis. I can tell you a bag of chips will explode
> "up
> > > there".
> >
> > A bag of chips may explode at altitude, but a bag of chips is mostly a
> > bag of air, whereas a container of fuel is mostly (liquid) fuel.
> Gases
> > expand a *lot* more than liquids do when taken to altitude, which is
> why
> > it's quite safe to take a bottle of gatorade with you on a long flight
> > (and why you can hope to drink it without soaking yourself).
> >
> > Propane bottles and other properly designed fuel containers (like the
> > aluminum fuel bottles you can buy for white gas) are designed to
> contain
> > pressure as altitudes change. Use them, and you should be perfectly
> > safe carrying them in your airplane in the cabin. Barring a collision
> > with terrain, of course.
> >
> > But bags of chips, helium balloons*, etc. can and do explode in
> flight.
> >
> > -RB4
> > rv7 "at" b4.ca
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | VS to HS attachment plate |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Anybody have any photos of this area. I'm thinking mine is all wrong. I'd like
to see any photos anyone might be willing to share. Thanks.
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you
Luke 6:28, NAS
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Dimple HS skin on forward 707 rivet line? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
>
>Another search through the archives did not produce an answer. How has
>everyone dimpled the forward-most two rivet holes on the HS main skin near
>the 707 spar? I could just barely get to the 3rd one back with the
>c-frame, and it looks like it put the dimple slightly at an angle. I
>don't think I can make the 1st or 2nd hole without further mangling the
>skin. How has everyone done these?
I bought a total of three yokes for my C-frame pneumatic squeezer
(all but one on eBay.) One of the yokes was pretty carved up to begin with,
so I carefully ground the nose down a bit more to fit in the forward-most
holes for the HS ribs. Worked like a champ on both the skins and the ribs
themselves.
I also bought a CP 351 alligator style squeezer with 9 inch jaws
on eBay for $100. Rigged up a cable-operated foot lever for it and mounted
the squeezer to the bench. This made dimpling the skins and riveting the
rear spar super easy. Also made short work of riveting the front spar
angles. I only had to resort to the mallet and manual 24" C-frame dimpler
for just a few of the skin dimples.
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| Subject: | Evercoat Filler Problem - help! |
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version=2.53
--> RV-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Yup on the Lacquer thinner.
And I used it extensively and thought it worked very well. A good friend who
does high end body work advised me to use it.
Mike Stewart
What should I do to get this
Mike Sices
RV8 - painting
Gurnee, IL
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| Subject: | Re: VS to HS attachment plate |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Here are some shots from mounting and drilling my RV-7 VS, for what it's
worth:
http://www.rvproject.com/20030111.html
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Vanartsdalen" <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: VS to HS attachment plate
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
>
> Anybody have any photos of this area. I'm thinking mine is all wrong.
I'd like to see any photos anyone might be willing to share. Thanks.
>
>
> --
> Scott VanArtsdalen
> RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
>
> bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you
> Luke 6:28, NAS
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: N13eer@aol.com
Ken,
Thanks for the input. I was planning on 12Y as an alternet. I got one responce
from a guy who has been into 7Y7 and says it is good as long as it is not wet.
Alan
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kenneth Beene" <kbeene@citilink.com>
>
> Any of you Minnesota RVers ever fly into the Belle Plaine
> airport (7Y7).
> Alan Kritzman
> RV-8 N8EM
>
>
Alan,
I have not flown into Belle Plaine, but I did make a low pass about 2
weeks ago. The field looked very good. I don't think it will be a
problem. Le Seur (12Y) would also be a good option. I stop there quite
often. The fuel price has been $2.10 for three years now.
Ken
N94KB based at LVN
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--> RV-List message posted by: dirtyrottenscoundrels@attbi.com
Here is a link for more information:
http://www.n442e.50megs.com/
Glenn Gordon
RV-6, N442E
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| Subject: | Not RV related - For Sale, J-3 with C-90 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
For Sale -
1946 J3C C-90-8F, Nice - 9/9, all logs, restored '97, Poly Fiber covering &
paint, original Cub color, markings & restored instruments, ACTT 1700,
170-SMOH by Don's Dream Machines, new Millenium cyls & crank, original
Goodyear brakes, new tires & tubes, sealed fwd struts, very low oil
consumption. New Sensenich cruise wood prop & annual 08/03.
$34,000
cell (281) 851-1241;
office(713) 321-4557
email: bdjones@citgo.com or RV_8pilot@hotmail.com
Email for more details and pics.
Bryan Jones
Pearland (Houston), Texas
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bell, Bruce B." <rv4bell@door.net>
So now that we have settled on a Garman 196, where is the best place to buy
one?
Installing Van's alternate air flapper on my O-320 air box.
Regards,
Bruce Bell
Lubbock, Texas
RV4 # 2888
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bell, Bruce B." <rv4bell@door.net>
Looks like the Garman 196 is the winner. Where is the best place to buy one?
Regards,
Bruce Bell
Lubbock, Texas
RV4 # 2888
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | KELLY AIR PARK FLY-IN BREAKFAST |
vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
KELLY AIR PARK FLY-IN BREAKFAST
Kelly Air Park, Black Forrest, Colorado - CO15
http://map.aeroplanner.com/mapping/chart/aptrpt.cfm?A=7&id=CO15
Saturday, July 12, 7:00 am to 11:00 am
More info:
http://www.eaa72.org/events/co15_bfast.pdf
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| Subject: | EAA Ch 72 hosts the EAA B-17 "ALUMINUM OVERCAST"! |
vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
EAA Chapter 72 hosts the EAA B-17 "ALUMINUM OVERCAST"!
Colorado Springs Airport, Colorado Springs, Colorado - COS
http://map.aeroplanner.com/mapping/chart/aptrpt.cfm?A=7&id=COS
May 26th thru May 29th
More info here:
http://www.eaa72.org/events/b-17flyer.pdf
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10/RV-3 Rocket/Yak |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Hey, Tom--
I had the impression that the "RV-3 Rocket" was pretty much a one-off
deal that John did for himself and used in some of his air show
"antics", way back when. I get the same impression about the
HRIII--that that is his personal 'plane and he's not in any big rush to
put any plans or details out about it. If I'm wrong, color me stupid,
or at least since I'm now in Florida, way far away from CA and Bakersfield.
But, that may change if I "have" to go out to Texas to bring back my
newly acquired Yak-52. It's not a done deal, yet, but, man I mean to
shout--it's one of the best bang-for-the-buck deals in aerobatic (tho,
some of the CJ6 guys may give me a little hassle) aviation (provided you
don't mind that compressed air sh*t).
Boyd.
Tom Gummo wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>
>
>Boyd,
>
>You must know that John Harmon has already upgraded the RV-3 to the Harmon
>Rocket I.
>An RV-3 plus a Rocket conversion would be something to see and fly!!!
>
>Tom Gummo
>APV, HR-II, N561FS
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-10
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>>
>>Boyd,
>>
>> I'll fly as your wingman on this one... I've been flyin' my RV-4 for
>>years (and would not let her go willingly) but 95% of the time I'm flyin'
>>her Solo. And a "New & Improved" RV-3 would certainly be a screamer!
>>
>> Just give us the briefing, and we'll all put the plan into action!
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Boyd C. Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com.Netscape/7.0>
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-10
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>>>
>>>Mike---
>>>
>>>I don't know about you guys, but I think that some of us should be
>>>petitioning Van in a big, loud and voluminous way to put RV-3 back out
>>>in a "modern" kit form. It already goes like stink and if you designed
>>>a way to stick a few more hp in the thing, why in the hell would you
>>>need to spend a $million on the Viper jet? Dam*, that little airplane
>>>is fun!--oh, and it does look good!
>>>
>>>Boyd.
>>>
>>>mstewart@qa.butler.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Mike Stewart
>>>>PS, sorry for the late reply, was RV'ing at SWRFI with Falcon Flight.
>>>>
>>>>
>>Class
>>
>>
>>>>act those guys. We had a terrific time there. One of my highlights was
>>>>
>>>>
>to
>
>
>>>>get Stu to fly my wing in his RV-3. Man what a terrific looking plane.
>>>>
>>>>
>>Sexy
>>
>>
>>>>and fast. First RV-3 I have had a chance to really look closely at and
>>>>
>>>>
>>fly
>>
>>
>>>>with. Makes me wanna cut off my training wheel, slice off 2 wing bays,
>>>>
>>>>
>>can
>>
>>
>>>>the right seat, toss out all non-essential flying crap I have, and go
>>>>
>>>>
>>fly.
>>
>>
>>>>Do not archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
I called Charlie Blackert at Aircraft Radio - 610-258-4750...
He gave me a price of $866 + shipping to him and to me... I don't know what
the shipping is yet, but it can't be that much... www.marvgolden.com
usually has the best internet prices, and they were $999 plus shipping...
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A
www.vondane.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bell, Bruce B." <rv4bell@door.net>
Subject: RV-List: Garman 196
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bell, Bruce B." <rv4bell@door.net>
So now that we have settled on a Garman 196, where is the best place to buy
one?
Installing Van's alternate air flapper on my O-320 air box.
Regards,
Bruce Bell
Lubbock, Texas
RV4 # 2888
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| Subject: | Looking for Willis (Pat) Kirkpatrick |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Hawkins <lhawkins@giant.com>
I'm looking for a fellow named Willis ( Pat ) Kirkpatrick - he was in NM and
maybe still lives there. He built RV-6A which friend of a friend of mine
owns now.
Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, flying 90+hours
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for Willis (Pat) Kirkpatrick |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Listers,
I have forwarded Larry's message to Pat. Just so happens he's working here
at Intel with me. Small world.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Hawkins <lhawkins@giant.com>
>
>I'm looking for a fellow named Willis ( Pat ) Kirkpatrick - he was in NM
>and
>maybe still lives there. He built RV-6A which friend of a friend of mine
>owns now.
>Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, flying 90+hours
>
>
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>think you have received this e-mail message in error, please e-mail the
>sender at the above address and permanently delete the e-mail. Although
>this
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>defect that might affect any computer system into which they are received
>and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they
>are virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Giant Industries, Inc.
>or its affiliates for any loss or damage arising in any way from their use.
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "R. Craig Chipley" <mechtech81@yahoo.com>
Hello list, what will the RV-10 kits cost?? What
kind of primer should one use on an RV-10? what is the
biggest engine I can cram into an RV-10? LOL
DO NOT ARCHIVE
--- Robin Wessel <Robin.Wessel@verizon.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Wessel"
> <Robin.Wessel@verizon.net>
>
> I have a picture of the RV-10 panel in it's early
> stages at:
>
> http://robin.getbiz.net/IMG_0758.JPG
>
>
> robin wessel
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
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> latest messages.
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>
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> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Tropic Aero gave me a good price and performed as promised on a Garmin 196
and auto kit last fall. I would encourage those buying the Garmin 196 to
consider having a removable mount in your airplane and using it in your car
and boat. With the car kit, you can plug in an address and get lead to the
address turn by turn. It also lets you get very familiar with using the
machine on the ground so you don't have to spend too much time and attention
on it in the air.
Terry
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bell, Bruce B." <rv4bell@door.net>
Looks like the Garman 196 is the winner. Where is the best place to buy one?
Regards,
Bruce Bell
Lubbock, Texas
RV4 # 2888
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
"R. Craig Chipley" wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "R. Craig Chipley" <mechtech81@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello list, what will the RV-10 kits cost?? What
> kind of primer should one use on an RV-10? what is the
> biggest engine I can cram into an RV-10? LOL
And who is going to design, build and sale the tail wheel modification? :)
do not archive
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
chrisw@programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10/RV-3 Rocket/Yak |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Would never use that term toward someone without them having more data than
you have. HRI is an RV-3 with Johns special touch, not sure how many there
are but it's more than one. HRIII is a single seat HRII with shorter wings,
more HP and the single seat is located at approx the rear seat HRII
location, short canopy and is better known as Johns Reno Racer. Don't know
if an HRII has tangled with either an Yak-52 or an CJ6 but I've seen all do
high performance take offs etc. If my butt was on the line I'd pick the
HRII, I've seen close up personal what Gummi and 561FS can do. And that's
with a stock 250HP IO540, HRIII has lots more than that. Only two engines &
know of that can run backwards, a Cox .049 and the CJ6/Y-52. (I Know, I
know.. there are lots but rub is better if I play dumb) 8+) Do Not
Archive. KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-10/RV-3 Rocket/Yak
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
put any plans or details out about it. If I'm wrong, color me stupid,
> newly acquired Yak-52. It's not a done deal, yet, but, man I mean to
> shout--it's one of the best bang-for-the-buck deals in aerobatic (tho,
> some of the CJ6 guys may give me a little hassle) aviation (provided you
> don't mind that compressed air sh*t).
>
> Boyd.
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 5/21/2003 2:27:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
mechtech81@yahoo.com writes:
> What will the RV-10 kits cost??
If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
What > kind of primer should one use on an RV-10?
None are acceptable standalone. In order for the airframe to last long
enough for you pay it off (30 yrs like your mortgage) each piece must Alumiprepped,
Alodined to protect against filliform corrosion, Akzo two-part epoxy chromate
primered over that to establish a moisture barrier, top coated within 24 hrs
to provide abrasion protection and then clearcoated to protect against UV
attack. Alternatively, it would be acceptable to completely chromic anodize every
piece before riveting, same as the Phlogiston spars and always hangar it.
what is the > biggest engine I can cram into an RV-10?
Twin Falconar (sp?) V-12s from Thunder Mustangs turning two counter-rotating
props. Yeah, baby!
do not archive.
-GV (RV-6A N1GV 605hrs)
"Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer." - -
anonymous
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Ya gotta give John Harmon a chance. He has to move a bunch of stuff in his
shop so he can do the chalk layout on the floor. Right now he's busy with
the May 31st BBQ stuff. Do Not Archive. KABONG (GBA) 8+)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris W" <chrisw3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: RV-10
> --> > And who is going to design, build and sale the tail wheel
modification? :)
>
> Chris Woodhouse
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| Subject: | 7 to 6 fin and rudder |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David.vonLinsowe" <David.vonLinsowe@delphi.com>
Thanks Jeff.
Now for the next question:
Did Van's go to the counter balanced rudder for flutter reasons? What about some
of the Rockets and 240+mph RV's without balances?
Thanks,
Dave
RV-6
180hp C/S
The need for (more) speed
From: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: 7 to 6 fin and rudder
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
I have a 6 empenage and am trying to sell it. Ive had a lot of questions
regarding the compatability of my 6 tail on a 7. Ive found that Vans made 2
tails for the 6. As the 7 project was nearing production, Vans figured
builders would start on the 6 tail and then want to switch to the 7 once it
was available. So, for a while, he made the 6 tail fit the 7(or 8), I
think. Most of these can easily be interchanged. The only problem I know
of it putting too small of a vs/rudder on a 7. A buddy of mine has put an 8
tail on a 6 and a 7.
I guess the best thing to do is to call Vans. However, keep in mind you can
always modify later.
Good luck
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Ch 72 hosts the EAA B-17 "ALUMINUM OVERCAST"! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
You will have fun. Be sure to invite the veterans from the area. They
really add to the event. I'd send some of my pictures the 1st week end of
May but the list strips them.
Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
www.bellanca-championclub.com
Actively supporting Aeroncas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
<vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: EAA Ch 72 hosts the EAA B-17 "ALUMINUM OVERCAST"!
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
> EAA Chapter 72 hosts the EAA B-17 "ALUMINUM OVERCAST"!
>
> Colorado Springs Airport, Colorado Springs, Colorado - COS
> http://map.aeroplanner.com/mapping/chart/aptrpt.cfm?A=7&id=COS
>
> May 26th thru May 29th
>
> More info here:
> http://www.eaa72.org/events/b-17flyer.pdf
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Evercoat Filler Problem - help! |
--> RV-List message posted by: JDaniel343@aol.com
I used Lightweight Evercoat filler with a blue hardner. This stuff dries super
fast if you don't try and spread too much at a time.
I usually only had about 5 minutes of working time.
John Danielson
RV-6 140Hours
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--> RV-List message posted by: Dougpsr@aol.com
Earlier I saw that Rick on the avionics board was $848 including shipping.
Check with him to be sure.
DP
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| Subject: | Navaid Coupled to Garmin 430/530 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ronnie Brown" <romott@adelphia.net>
Anybody flying with their Navaid Autopilot coupled to their Garmin 430/530 via
the GPS coupler? Is it
working?
I know several folks who are successfully driving their Navaid using a Garmin handheld,
but this is with the
panel mounted Garmin.
THANKS!
Ronnie Brown
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| Subject: | Re: Renters insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
Thanks John
That sure explains the level playing field. seems about the only option
there is is to pay with check or (optional) credit card
Gert
John Helms wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
>
> Gert, the only companies that do 'renter's' (really called non-owned)
> coverage are AIG (thru many brokers and all at the same pricing) and AVEMCO.
> AIG's application form has the prices printed right on it.
>
> AVEMCO's liability has the same drawbacks as their airplane coverages do.
> The liability limits are sublimited per PERSON as opposed to AIG's per
> PASSENGER. AVEMCO limits anyones bodily injury whether inside or outside
> the plane.
>
> I have heard the Global is thinking of coming out with a non owner policy,
> but haven't seen it yet. They do a non owner coverage now, but for CFI's
> thru NAFI.
>
> John "JT" Helms
> Branch Manager
> NationAir Insurance Agency
> Pleasure and Business Branch
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gert" <gert@execpc.com>
> To: <rv8list@egroups.com>; "rv-list" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Renters insurance
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Gert <gert@execpc.com>
>
> I found out my flight school/FBO now strongly suggests I carry renters
> insurance.
>
> Can anybody recommend a company/broker, and, what kind of
> prices/coverages are available.
>
> So far, I am pretty consistent in getting 250K liability and 60K
> hull/non-owner for $750.-/yr any better deals in town..
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Gert
> --
> is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
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--> RV-List message posted by: UFOBUCK@aol.com
For damn sure do not take a picture of it and put it on a T-shirt !
DNA
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10/RV-3 Rocket/Yak |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
The Yak/CJ airplanes really are not comparable with RV's. I have never
looked at the Vn diagram for a Rocket, but I am pretty sure it looks very
much like the RV. I have flown Yaks and CJs and they are real live Acro
airplanes, capable of competition, gyroscopics etc. The RV's and Rockets
are great airplanes but when it comes to acro, RV's & Rockets are for
"gentlemens" acro.
I have spent quite a bit of time in the last couple weeks working with the
Vn diagram for RV-series airplanes in preparation for a talk that I am
giving at the MN RV forum. After digging into the Vn diagram, believe me,
The RVs are not for serious acro. I fly acro in my -4 all the time and I
will continue to, but I never forget, the lever between my legs is "The Wing
Removal Lever."
The problem is the RVs, the 1 G stall speed is too low, the Vne is too high,
they are too clean, go too fast and the Sturctural limits are not high
enough to be an real acro airplane. I can't lay it all out here, come to
Minnesota RV Forum on the 30th and I will try. Here is a peek at the
reasons why. RV-x ,+6,-3, 190 mph cruise & ~130mph Va(at acro weight). Yak
52: +7, -5 ~140 kt cruise & ~190 kt Va.
If you really want to do hard core acro, get an acro airplane, and there are
lots of great ones, but if you want an airplane that does almost everything
pretty well, (with no compressed air system, no oil leaks, and no hydraulic
locks) stick with the RV.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-10/RV-3 Rocket/Yak
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
>
> Would never use that term toward someone without them having more data
than
> you have. HRI is an RV-3 with Johns special touch, not sure how many there
> are but it's more than one. HRIII is a single seat HRII with shorter
wings,
> more HP and the single seat is located at approx the rear seat HRII
> location, short canopy and is better known as Johns Reno Racer. Don't know
> if an HRII has tangled with either an Yak-52 or an CJ6 but I've seen all
do
> high performance take offs etc. If my butt was on the line I'd pick the
> HRII, I've seen close up personal what Gummi and 561FS can do. And that's
> with a stock 250HP IO540, HRIII has lots more than that. Only two engines
&
> know of that can run backwards, a Cox .049 and the CJ6/Y-52. (I Know, I
> know.. there are lots but rub is better if I play dumb) 8+) Do Not
> Archive. KABONG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com.Netscape/7.0>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-10/RV-3 Rocket/Yak
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem@comcast.net>
> put any plans or details out about it. If I'm wrong, color me stupid,
>
> > newly acquired Yak-52. It's not a done deal, yet, but, man I mean to
> > shout--it's one of the best bang-for-the-buck deals in aerobatic (tho,
> > some of the CJ6 guys may give me a little hassle) aviation (provided you
> > don't mind that compressed air sh*t).
> >
> > Boyd.
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Reimer" <cgreimer@mb.sympatico.ca>
The Cessna Deluxe Towbar from Aircraft Spruce works just dandy on my RV-6
full swivel tail wheel. I did have to shorten the towbar clamping spring a
bit and also squeezed the cotter pin into the right shape so the towbar
slips over the wheel nut. These mods take five minutes.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
Subject: RV-List: tow bar rv6
> --> RV-List message posted by: " bert murillo" <bert6@mybluelight.com>
>
> Hi:
>
> I understand that there is now a tow bar, for rv's.
>
> I looked on A.Spruce and wicks, catalogs, but did not
> see it..
>
> Any one knows the best to buy from, and best price?
>
> thanks,,
> Bert
>
> rv6a
>
>
> Sign up for Internet Service under $10 dollars a month, at
http://isp.BlueLight.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Pneumatic Squeezer on EBAY |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2416292546&category26442
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | 9th Annual Twin Cities RV Forum |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@usjet.net>
Greetings Listers,
Just a reminder that the 9th Annual Twin Cities RV Forum is just 10 days
away!! Fuel those RV's up and come up to the Minneapolis, Minnesota
area for a day of "RV Heaven". Rumor has it that a batch of RV's will
be coming in from Colorado, which is just a short hop or two from MN.
I'll bet there are some Texas or East Coast or West Coast planes that
want to grab the prize for longest distance. The Forum is May 31st, and
consists of many interesting speakers, vendors, RV's on display, door
prizes and much more. The evening banquet puts the finishing touches on
the day's events - don't miss the interesting evening talk by Bryan
Moon, a renowned MIA hunter who has brought back almost 40 WWII airmen
in many, many expeditions. Be sure to preregister if you plan to attend
the banquet.
For details, see www.rvforum.org.
Alex Peterson
Chairman, Twin Cities RV Forum
17650 82nd Way North
Maple Grove, Minnesota, 55311
612-418-9710
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10/RV-3 Rocket/Yak |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Starn" <jhstarn@earthlink.net>
Acro ?..."We don't need no stinking acro's ", I was talking about
"guns..guns..guns.. etc". KABONG (GBA) 8*)
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-10/RV-3 Rocket/Yak
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| Subject: | How Much Room Do I Need to Build an RV 7? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Brooks" <tbrooks@nexelon.com>
I know this is probably a dumb question but I'm contemplating purchasing the
RV-7 kit and I'm not sure I have enough room to build. I've read the
standard reference to a '2 car garage' but this is too vague. I have a
newer condo with a two car garage but it only measures about 20'x19'. Is
this enough square footage? The garage has two separate 'doors' with about
a 4 foot 'wall' between them so I know final assembly in the garage is out
of the question.
Thanks....
tim
Tim Brooks
usna91@msn.com
Man's best friend, outside of a dog, is a good book. Inside of a dog, it's
too dark to read. -- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Room Do I Need to Build an RV 7? |
--> RV-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
Final assy takes place at airport. Few of us can fly out of the garage anyway.
A single car garage will do if not full of junk.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Dimple HS skin on forward 707 rivet line? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
Thanks to all for the info on the dimpling...I wasn't even aware there was such
a thing as pop-rivet dimple dies. Given that I work the riveter solo, it sounds
like that is my best option.
Thanks,
Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Buffing out polyurethane |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Mark,
You can buff it out but you'll never get the same gloss back. This
wouldn't be a problem except that you'll have to buff the whole wing to
get the finish to look the same. I've got span wise stripes on my
leading edges too and I don't think that they add any measurable drag.
Now if it was a laminar airfoil you might have a problem.
Just be careful when you mask the stripes - use the BEST striping tape
you can get and after you shoot it get the tape off quickly. The Imron
will flow out very nicely, in fact, it keeps getting smother and
glossier for a couple of days.
It's great paint and probably one of the easiest to shoot however it has
just one problem - it will KILL you - well, not right away but it's
effects are cumulative. I don't think it's any more dangerous than most
of the other polyurethanes but be extremely careful no mater which paint
you use, don't breath it and don't let it get to your skin.
(I think that might be more than you asked for!)
Dave RV6 SoCal
EAA Technical Counselor
czechsix@juno.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
>
>
>Guys,
>
>Thanks for the helpful input about my compressor/HVLP capacity question. Got
another question...the paint dealer near my house stocks Dupont Imron polyurethane
and Sherwin Williams Genesis acrylic urethane paints (note: he says the Genesis
line is replacing the Sunfire line, but is basically the same thing for
those familiar with Sunfire). I'm trying to decide which brand to go with, and
one question I have is about the possibility of buffing out runs or rough edges
in the finished paint. This is for a single stage paint, BTW...not a clear
coat. What I've heard is that the Genesis/Sunfire series is not quite as durable
as the Imron, but is easier to buff out imperfections. I'm leaning toward
the Imron but wondering if anyone has tried buffing it out, and whether they
were successful or not?
>
>I'm not uptight about getting a highly polished finish but my paint scheme has
a stripe running down the leading edge of the wings. So I'm curious to know
if I use Imron, will I be able to buff out the edge of the stripe such that the
airflow will not be disturbed? Has anyone done this with Imron?
>
>Thanks,
>
>--Mark Navratil
>Cedar Rapids, Iowa
>RV-8A N2D finishing...
>
>The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
>Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Room Do I Need to Build an RV 7? |
--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
i built in a 12x17 single car garage. had fun doing it. flew first time in
dec. than to sun -n-fun from oregon. more fun and still more fun. just do it.
each part of the kit has it's own rewards.
Jerry wilken
albany oregon
N699WP
rv6a 105 hr
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| Subject: | Re: HVLP guns with a compressor? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
Elsa & Henry wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Elsa & Henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <bj034@lafn.org>
>>
>>Parallel "might "work but not series. You're looking for more volume not
>>pressure.
>>
>>Dave,
>>
>>
>
>What's the difference? We are not talking about voltage and current capacity
>here. As far as a gas (air) is concerned, doesn't matter if you connect the
>tanks in series or parallel if no check valves are used, but I don't see why
>anybody would want to connect the tanks like a string of sausage links!
>
>
My point is that you'll get no increase in volume by putting them in
series. Connected in parallel you'd double the CFM.
Dave
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